Everus Q4 2024 Earnings Report

Everus EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.67
• Consensus EPS: $0.73
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.06
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Everus Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: N/A
• Expected Revenue: $674.94 million
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Everus Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2024
• Date: 2/11/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 10:30AM ET

Everus (NYSE:ECG) Construction Group is providing a full spectrum of construction services through its electrical and mechanical and transmission and distribution specialty contracting services principally in United States. Its specialty contracting services are provided to utility, transportation, commercial, industrial, institutional, renewable and other customers. Everus Construction Group is based in BISMARCK, N.D.

Everus Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Good morning. My name is John, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Everest Construction Group Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer Thank you.

[Operator]

I would now like to turn the call over to Paul Bartoli, Everest Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

[Paul Bartolai, Partner - Investor Relations Practice at Vallum Advisors]

Thank you.

[Paul Bartolai, Partner - Investor Relations Practice at Vallum Advisors]

Welcome to Everest Construction Group's fourth quarter twenty twenty four results conference call. Leading the call today are CEO, Jeff Seed and CFO, Max Marcy. We issued a news release yesterday detailing our fourth quarter and full year '20 '20 '4 operational and financial results. This release, together with the accompanying presentation materials, are publicly available on our website at investors.everis.com. I would like to remind you that management's commentary and responses to questions on today's conference call may include forward looking statements, which by their nature are uncertain and outside of the company's control.

[Paul Bartolai, Partner - Investor Relations Practice at Vallum Advisors]

Although these forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, actual results could differ materially. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please refer to the Risk Factors section of our latest filings with the SEC. Additionally, please note that you can find reconciliations of historical non GAAP financial measures in the news release issued yesterday and in the appendix of today's presentation. Today's call will begin with prepared remarks from Jeff, who will provide a review of our recent business performance followed by a financial update from Max. At the conclusion of these prepared remarks, we will open the line for your questions.

[Paul Bartolai, Partner - Investor Relations Practice at Vallum Advisors]

With that, I'll turn the call over to Jeff.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thank you, Paul, and good morning to everyone joining us on the call today. We are very excited to be here with you all today as we report our fourth quarter and our full year 2024 results, which wraps up a transformational year in our company's history, highlighted by our spin off from MDU Resources that was completed at the October. Over the past twenty eight years, we have built Everest into a leading specialty construction solutions provider. Through our dedicated focus on our people, execution and customer relationships, the key pillars of our Forever strategy, we have developed strong competitive positions in a wide range of diversified end markets. We have demonstrated a history of delivering consistent, attractive financial results.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

And based on the favorable demand trends benefiting many of our key end markets combined with our disciplined execution of our strategic framework, we look forward to further building on our track record of success. With that, let's begin with our fourth quarter performance, which we highlight on Slide four. We generated solid fourth quarter results highlighted by strong revenue growth, consistent project execution, continued financial discipline and strong backlog, positioning us for continued positive momentum in 2025. Our fourth quarter revenue increased 20 driven by balanced growth across our diversified end markets driven by commercial data center growth, institutional and utility. Our electrical and mechanical revenues increased 21%, while our transmission and distribution revenues grew 15%.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Our fourth quarter EBITDA remained relatively flat as higher revenues were largely offset by incremental public company stand up costs. As Max will discuss in more detail, while our consolidated fourth quarter EBITDA was essentially flat from last year due to the synergy costs, our segment EBITDA showed strong year over year growth. Our total backlog at the end of the fourth quarter was $2,800,000,000 an increase of 38% from the end of the fourth quarter last year. Our backlog was consistent with the third quarter reflecting the strong fourth quarter revenue performance and typical seasonality and timing factors. Our year over year backlog growth highlights our deep customer relationships and our strong strategic positioning in markets that are benefiting from favorable secular demand drivers.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Our current backlog remains at an extremely healthy level and provides us with good visibility into our near term growth outlook. Based on our solid fourth quarter performance and our strict financial discipline, we ended the year with net leverage of one times, which is nicely below our long term target. This gives us significant financial flexibility to continue executing on our strategic growth objectives. We are very pleased with our solid fourth quarter financial and operational results. And based on our backlog strength, favorable end market trends and continued focus on execution, we expect strong momentum to continue into 2025.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Based on these factors, we are providing 2025 financial guidance that calls for revenue to be in a range of $3,000,000,000 to $3,100,000,000 and EBITDA in a range of $210,000,000 to $225,000,000 Now let me shift gears a bit and remind you of our Forever strategy, which forms the foundation for our value creation framework and is detailed on Slide five of today's presentation. I spent quite a bit of time describing our Forever strategy last quarter, so I won't go into too much detail today. But as you can see, our Forever strategy is focused on attracting, retaining and training our most critical asset, our employees, creating value for our customers and shareholders, delivering safety and high quality execution and maintaining and growing our customer relationships. Our Forever strategy is the basis for everything we do and is designed to deliver value creation through sustained profitable growth, operational excellence and disciplined capital allocation. Our value creation framework is highlighted on Slide six in today's presentation.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

We made important progress against these key pillars during 2024 and we remain committed to our framework as we look to drive value creation for our shareholders in the coming years. During 2024, we made key advancements on our growth priorities as demonstrated by our year end backlog growth of nearly 40%. Our long term customer relationships and history of strong execution enabled us to take advantage of the favorable demand drivers in our key end markets, resulting in meaningful backlog growth and positioning us for continued momentum in 2025. Importantly, a key aspect of our growth strategy is to expand geographically through satellite projects. And during 2024, we continued to follow our long term partners into new markets.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

This enabled us to further strengthen our key customer relationships and allows us to expand our reach. 2024 was a strong year when we think about our operations. Execution is the second E in our forever strategy and it is always an important priority. During 2024, we benefited from very strong execution on several projects, which resulted in excellent margin capture during the year. Despite lower full year revenue, we actually exceeded the midpoint of our EBITDA guidance during 2024 due in large part to our strong project execution.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Max will discuss our 2025 guidance in more detail. While we always strive for this level of execution, it is not the baseline assumption where we start the year. So while we work hard to repeat our performance during 2025, our guidance assumes a more normal level of project execution. During 2025, a key priority of our growth strategy will be strategic M and A. We will remain disciplined and look for the right deal, but as we've discussed in prior presentations following our spin off from MD Resources, a key opportunity is the ability to have full discretion over our free cash flow to ramp up investments in both organic and inorganic opportunities.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Timing is difficult to predict, but we are excited to ramp up our M and A efforts. Our business benefits from an asset light model that generates strong free cash flow conversion and enables us to execute on our capital allocation strategy. We have entered 2025 in a very attractive financial position with a net leverage well below our targeted 1.5 to two times range, which allows us ample flexibility to execute on our growth strategy. As a reminder, our capital allocation strategy prioritize investments in organic growth, the pursuit of strategic acquisitions and maintaining financial flexibility. Our full year twenty twenty four CapEx increased from 2023, which reflects our desire to step up our investment in organic growth.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

And as I just covered, we are focused on ramping up our M and A efforts. We do not have a dividend policy or share repurchase authorization in place. However, we will work with our board to decide when those returns are prudent in the future. As a new standalone company with meaningful growth opportunities, we feel it's best to invest in ourselves to drive maximum shareholder value. As As we highlight on Slide seven of today's presentation, we expect our forever strategy to drive us toward a financial framework of compound annual revenue organic growth in a range of 5% to 7%, which combined with our disciplined focus on operational excellence will enable compound annual EBITDA growth of 7% to 9%.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

We remain committed to these targets and are confident that we are in strong position to deliver on these promises. Before I turn it over to Max, I would like to spend just a few minutes discussing some key end market trends, especially given the new administration and some of the recent activity in the market. Overall, we continue to be encouraged by the demand drivers in our key end markets. When we look at our T and D business, the demand outlook remains favorable. Significant investments are needed by our customers to simply maintain reliability of the existing infrastructure, which is dated.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

The investment needed to modernize and update the grid is meaningful. When you combine that baseline investment with utilities needing to invest in meeting the projected low growth expected in the coming years from factors such as EVs, the electrification of industrial economy and increased power needs coming from data centers, we see a very attractive market environment. These factors will not only benefit our T and D business, but also our E and M business as the electrification of our economy and data center construction will continue to be growth drivers. There's clearly been a lot of noise that DeepSeek may impact the pace and magnitude of CapEx spending from domestic technology companies. We are in the early stages and the potential impact from DeepSeek or any other emerging technologies remains to be seen.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Industry participants in the data center space have recently made positive comments about their future CapEx plans it did not signal any expected changes in their spending outlook. We will, of course, continue to work with our customers and closely monitor the situation, but we are not expecting any material changes in the pace of investments at this time. That said, an important driver of our success has been our ability to quickly pivot when we see market trends evolving. We benefit from a very diversified business and there are several favorable market drivers benefiting our business beyond data centers, including high-tech reshoring, government and industrial projects and infrastructure investments. We continuously monitor the market and adjust our resources as needed in order to drive growth and generate the highest return on our assets.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

We remain optimistic about our key end markets. There are several factors that we continue to closely monitor, including potential market impacts from the new administration in Washington. In general, we expect the administration to be positive for our industry given the pro business strategy and the promise of fewer regulatory headwinds. However, there are factors such as tariffs, potentially higher inflation and higher interest rates that could impact economic growth and therefore our business. We believe that favorable secular drivers will more than offset any potential headwinds and we will remain diligent in managing our business and focusing on maximizing our resources.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

In summary, we are extremely excited about the opportunities in front of us as we begin our first full year as a standalone public company. We are in an excellent competitive position to take advantage of the favorable secular trends benefiting our end markets. We are in an advantageous financial position that provides opportunities to invest in growth. And we are committed to executing on our strategic framework and delivering value for all our key stakeholders. With that, I'll turn it over to Max.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Thank you, Jeff. And good morning, everyone. I will provide additional details on the quarter, give an update on our liquidity and balance sheet and wrap up with some additional details on our guidance. Beginning on slide nine in today's presentation. Net revenue for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four was $760,000,000 an increase of 19.5% compared to the same period last year.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

The increase in revenue during the quarter was driven by E and M revenues increasing 21% and TZ revenues increasing 15%. The growth was highlighted by our E and M commercial market led by the data center submarket and momentum in our T and D utility end market led by the storm, underground and substation submarkets. Total EBITDA was $58,000,000 during the fourth quarter. A modest increase in the same period last year that was driven by solid revenue growth and increased income from joint ventures, largely offset by incremental public company stand up costs of $6,300,000 during the fourth quarter. This resulted in fourth quarter EBITDA margins of 7.7%, down 150 basis points from last year.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

As for our full year 2024 results, net revenue was $2,850,000,000 on par with last year. E and M revenues softened 5%, while T and D revenues rose 14%. The E and M segment saw increased revenue growth in the back half of the year, particularly in the data center submarket. The T and D segment continued its momentum throughout the year. The T and D utility end market was led by the transmission, distribution and substation submarkets.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

The T and D transportation end market saw increases in traffic signalization and street lighting submarket. Total EBITDA was $232,000,000 in the 2024 fiscal year, up from $223,000,000 last year. The increase in EBITDA was driven by increased income from joint ventures and solid project execution, partially offset by higher selling, general and administrative expenses. EBITDA was also negatively impacted by $6,300,000 of public company cost. This all resulted in EBITDA margin of 8.1%, up 30 basis points from last fiscal year.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

At December 31, total backlog was $2,800,000,000 in line with the third quarter and up 38% from backlog of $2,000,000,000 at the end of last year. Our backlog growth reflects strong momentum in our E and M business combined with the impact of project timing as we have seen some E and M projects get pushed out a bit. As a reminder, our backlog burn can move around from quarter to quarter based on the type and size of projects. Additionally, a portion of our revenues, including our MSA work, do not go through backlog. Given the current mix of our backlog, which includes some larger multi year projects, our backlog conversion may be extended relative to our historical pattern over the coming quarters.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Now turning to our segment results. Let's first look at E and M, where our fourth quarter revenue increased nearly 21% to about $550,000,000 The increase was driven by higher workloads in our commercial, institutional and service and other end markets, particularly in the data center submarket, partially offset by decreased workloads in the industrial and renewable end markets. Our E and M EBITDA was 42,700,000 in the fourth quarter, up from $36,400,000 in the fourth quarter last year, which is an increase of 17%. This was the result of strong revenue growth and increased income from joint ventures, partially offset by increased selling, general and administrative expenses and higher stand alone insurance costs. As a result, our E and M EBITDA margin was 7.8%, down 20 basis points from last year.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Our fourth quarter T and D revenue was $213,300,000 up from $185,100,000 last year or an increase of 15% driven by growth in our storm, underground and substation submarkets within the utility end market, partially offset by timing of work in our distribution business. We also benefited from growth in our transportation end market due to higher workloads in our traffic signalization and street lighting services. T and D EBITDA was $30,600,000 during the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, up from $27,000,000 last year. Our T and D EBITDA margin was 14.3% during the fourth quarter, down 30 basis points from last year, primarily as a result of additional stand up insurance costs. Now let's turn to our balance sheet liquidity and free cash flow.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

As a reminder, in October 2024, we entered into a senior secured credit agreement with our bank group consisting of a $300,000,000 term loan A and a $225,000,000 revolving credit facility. We drew down $40,000,000 under the credit facility as of October 31 to fund projected working capital needs, which we fully repaid one month later in November of twenty twenty four. As of December 31, we had $70,000,000 of unrestricted cash, dollars 300,000,000 of gross debt and $2.00 $9,000,000 available under the revolving credit facility net of letters of credit. Net leverage, therefore, was approximately one point zero times. We generated a free cash flow of $129,000,000 during 2024, down from $152,000,000 in 2023.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Our full year CapEx was $48,300,000 or approximately 1.7% of revenue versus CapEx of $35,000,000 in 2023 or approximately 1.3% of revenue. The increase in CapEx during 2024 and the resulting decline in free cash flow reflects our strategy increasing investments in growth to support our organic growth strategy. Wrapping up with guidance. As Jeff said, we are providing 2025 guidance that calls for revenues in the range of $3,000,000,000 to $3,100,000,000 EBITDA in the range of $210,000,000 to $225,000,000 with $65,000,000 to $70,000,000 invested in capital expenditures. When looking at our revenue guidance, there are a couple of factors I'd like to highlight.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

First, as we have discussed, we are seeing a slightly longer backlog conversion cycle given that we are often being brought into projects earlier and we are winning larger projects. We expect this will continue, which we view as a positive because it gives us increased visibility and is reflected in our guidance. Additionally, project timing is always difficult to predict because it often shifts and we have continued to take a cautious approach in our modeling of project timing. As we relate to our EBITDA guidance, we continue to forecast this synergy cost of $28,000,000 on a full year basis. As Jeff highlighted, our 2024 results benefited from strong project execution with positive project efficiencies on several jobs.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

While we, of course, strive for upside execution benefits every year, our 2025 guidance assumes more normal levels of project execution. Overall, we are very pleased by our fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial results. We continue to benefit from favorable market trends. We're executing at a high level and our prudent financial management has put us in a strong financial position to execute on our strategic growth plan and remain on track to deliver on our long term financial targets. That completes our prepared remarks.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Operator, we are now ready for our question and answer portion of our call.

[Operator]

Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Brent Thillman with D. A. Davidson and Company. Please go ahead.

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Hey, thanks. Good morning, Jeff Max.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

I guess

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Hi, Mike.

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Good morning. Just my question would be, maybe digging a little more into how you approach the revenue guidance for 2025. Are there areas of the business that you won't typically embed into that forecast? And then I guess just trying to get a sense, Max, you talked about longer kind of backlog conversion and then past. Are there any figures you can provide around that just in terms of your mix of larger, longer duration projects today maybe versus a few years ago?

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Thank you.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes, Brent, this is Jeff. I'll start with the answer and then turn it over to Max for additional comments. As we built our company up and trained our people and prostrate our people, we've been able to build large complex projects. We've got more projects that are large. And so with those large projects that we get involved with the owner and the general contractor early on our E and M side, we are able to plan, procure materials.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

And because those jobs are so complex, they are taking longer to build because they're big. And so, we like that area of end markets, especially in the data centers or hospitality or even industrial. And we'll continue to be able to look where our resources match the needs of our customers and build upon our success with large complex projects with a very qualified workforce.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Yes.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

And Brent, in terms of what the numbers are, I mean, I don't think we're going to give any numbers today on what that looks like from a burn percentage. But it can be upwards of 10 points different from what it has been in the past. So I just think as these jobs are big

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

and a lot

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

of them are getting started now, they just take longer to get completed. So, I think that's as much as we can comment on the burn.

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Got it. Okay. I'll get back in queue. Thanks guys.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thanks Brent.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Brophy with Stifel. Please go ahead.

[Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial]

Yes. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Curious the latest you're seeing from a project pipeline perspective here and how you're thinking about backlog trends, given what you're seeing on the pipeline side?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. We still see strong demand for our services in the commercial area, which includes data centers, which is a large part of our backlog. Also in hospitality, which is within commercial market, steady growth there. And we're looking at similar workloads in 2025 as we saw in 2024. If you take a look at our industrial market and also our institutional markets, we're seeing some more water projects, we're seeing manufacturing of battery plants and that complements our P and D work, which of course, high demand for transmission and distribution and substation

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

work, things

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

that we do very, very distribution and substation were things that we do very, very well. So power, gas, communications and also undergrounding of utilities is a strong part of our business. It lines up with our capabilities. And based upon what we're hearing from our customers and what we're reading as far as market trends, we're very much aligned for doing that work and growing our business.

[Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial]

That's helpful. And then, I guess, on the backlog, obviously, there is a little bit of slowdown sequentially, new awards slowed as well. Any comments on some of the drivers here? And is this a reflection of any sort of changing demand environment at this point?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

I think when you see if you're talking about the third quarter backlog versus fourth quarter, that's really timing. We got some of those projects secured in the third quarter. It's always better to get those commitments earlier than later. So I think it's mostly timing. And if you look at year over year from the end of last year to the prior year, it's up 38%.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

So we do see momentum and demand for our services. And as far as mix, It's fairly consistent with what we had over prior recent periods.

[Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial]

Okay. And then one, I guess, on corporate expenses, they were a little bit higher than we were expecting this quarter, the fourth quarter, even including the $6,000,000 of the synergies that you touched on. Is there anything that's more of one time in there? And I guess how should we be thinking about corporate expenses going forward?

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Yes. This is Max. So nothing really one time. I mean, we do have some timing of things like our audit fees for the year had to all be paid in the last two months of the year. But nothing really one timing in grade.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

We're just kind of building our corporate teams here as we're standing ourselves up. So I mean, we still feel really good about that $28,000,000 number for the full year. And other than the audit fee, nothing really one. Just some timing maybe of some contracts we signed as a new public company. But I think all that would be included in our $28,000,000 number for

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

a full year basis. So

[Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial]

Okay. That's helpful. And then

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

I think Yes. Just to say you can't really take the $6,300,000 to $5,200,000 and extrapolate that, right?

[Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial]

Okay. And then I guess just one more for me. Excluding dis synergies, it appears that the midpoint of the EBITDA margin guide is down about 30 basis points from 2024. I guess can you talk about what is driving that?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. I mean, we took a very close look at backlog timing of our backlog and also taking a look at 2025 versus 2024. So, we are looking to continue to build upon our year that we had in 2024 and took a very thorough look at what those numbers look like for us and landed where we did on our guidance. Yeah.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

I think we Jeff and I both touched on it during our portions of the script. Right? I think we had really good execution, in 2024 and in the fourth quarter as well. And I think we're assuming more normal kind of execution based on where we're holding our backlog on the 2025 fiscal year. But your numbers are correct.

[Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial]

Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Ian Zaffino with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

Hi, great. Thank you. As far as the backlog taking longer, are

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

we still kind of at

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

the 75% delivered over the next twelve months? And what would be your assumptions for kind of the non backlog business, so like the book and burn, the MSA is year over year? Thanks.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. So as I mentioned earlier, the average project size is getting slightly larger. And our ability to handle those projects and get on board early with our customers is really adjusting or changing slightly the backlog burn as those projects are larger, more complex and longer. That has changed in the mix of all of our work, which is fairly diversified. As far as the MSA work, the non backlog work still very strong for our business.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

We've got dozens of MSAs and you take a look at our the work that we do for our utility customers and the forecast and our ability to be able to continue building projects for them, especially with the customers that we have relationships with for twenty and thirty years. So we'll continue to be able to leverage our performance through our execution and strengthen those relationships and build that backlog and continue to diversify our business.

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

Okay. So I guess the way I'm looking at it is I'm using like the 75% and adding $1,000,000,000 or so for the non backlog. It's just I'm getting higher than where you guys are. But regardless. Maybe we shift to M and A.

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

What are you thinking on the M and A side? How large? What do you need? Is it people? Is it trucks?

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

Is it tools? What is it? And then as you invest on the prefab side, when do we expect to see sort of the benefits of the investment in the prefab side? Thanks.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Okay. Great questions. I'll start and have Max add to my comments. So on the M and A side, we're really excited about that. We've got the financial capabilities to have disciplined M and A approach.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

We're going to look for companies. We are looking for companies that have high integrity and get their work not price based and really based upon overall value and relationships, looking for companies that have strong leadership and a very strong culture of safety. We're also looking for the geographic expansion in both our T and D and E and M segments. So M and A is something that we're very excited about and we've got a strategy and approach to that. As far as prefab, we have expanded our prefab facilities and we are leveraging our prefab.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Our customers care about what we do in prefabrication because it helps reduce congestion on the projects. That's good for us. That's good for the other subtrades on the project. So we'll continue to grow our prefab capabilities and provide that capital support and that is part of our plan in 2025 and beyond. Max?

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Yes. So from a size, I think is your question part of your question there. And I mean the reality is we're at one times net leverage today. And I think we've been pretty public about where our leverage targets are. So a turn of EBITDA still gets us keeps us within those long term targets, right?

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Then you look at the cash flow that we spit out this year over $100,000,000 of free cash flow. You can kind of see the magnitude of what we could accomplish and still be within our long term goals. From the CapEx side, again, we want to continue to invest in, as we grow our fleet and vehicles, bucket trucks, dirt diggers, right? So I mean, all of these things help us be more efficient and effective for the long term. From a prefab perspective, when is that going to really show in the results?

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

I mean this is a multi year thing, right? The goal is to continue to build more and more prefab facilities closer to some of these larger projects. And as those get completed, and we're very efficient, and execute well on those projects with those prefab facilities, they start to show up in the results. So, it's more of a multi year opportunity for us. And then it should continue to expand as we continue to add those.

[Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

Okay. Thank you very much.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thanks, Ian.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Siniak with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

[Chris Senyek, Chief Investment Strategist at Wolfe Research LLC]

Yes. Hi, guys. Good morning. Quick question, Max, on the dissynergies cost of $28,000,000 kind of using that as a run rate. Is that something that we should just expect to continue as we look at modeling some of the outer years?

[Chris Senyek, Chief Investment Strategist at Wolfe Research LLC]

Or do you expect there to be some type of synergies that develop over time where that number might fall? Or and maybe even if there's duplicate costs right now with PSAs going on at the same time that you're trying to build stuff out yourself. How should we be thinking about that?

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Yes. Fair question. I think what we're really looking at is that's more of kind of our stand up cost that stays around. Again, I don't know what happens with insurance markets as we've talked about. Standalone insurance is probably the biggest component of all that.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

So I'm not sure what happens with insurance costs. Hopefully, we continue to do better, get ourselves as a player in the market and hope to do better on that. But I given where we're at in the world and what's transpired in even the last several months, I don't know if insurance is going to

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

be going down any time in the future.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

In terms of the rest of the costs, the reality is we're kind of building this corporate team, right? And until we can make sure we have the mass and the right people in the right places, I don't think we're looking at cutting some of those costs as we go forward. You specifically talked about the service agreements TSA, right? I mean, I think we actually have a pretty well planned whereas the TSA tails off. We're adding people full time.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

So I don't think there's a big opportunity for savings there. But I mean, yes, the reality is we want to do the most with the available labor, and the available people. But the reality is we want to make sure we're servicing and supporting and growing. And as we grow and become a larger and larger company, you might have to add another incremental corporate position three, four years down the road, right? So, I would model it as that is kind of in there as a $28,000,000 a run rate.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

And then as we get bigger, that should become a smaller and smaller percentage of our revenue.

[Chris Senyek, Chief Investment Strategist at Wolfe Research LLC]

Okay, great. Thank you.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thanks, Chris.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Ellinghaus with Seabert William Schenck. Please go ahead.

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

Hey, guys. How are you?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Hey, Chris. Jeff, you did

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

a good job of sort of walking through the new administration. I wanted to get some thoughts. I would agree it seems like if anything the data center CapEx is really just ballooned. But on the downside, what are your thoughts of areas where you might have some concerns like maybe renewables or battery storage or something along those lines. Have you got any thoughts there?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

We're paying very close attention to that and especially with our customers listening to what their plans are. I think it's early since the election and to see where those will play out. Renewables is a small part of our business, but it's actually up this past year. So in that diversification strategy that we have for our business, we're going to be able to pivot and capture markets that are increasing and also redeploy our cross train people from markets that have maybe cooled off. So we have some concern over tariffs, but we're watching that closely.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

It is, it looks a little bit like what COVID brought to us and we mitigated our risk and our customers risk by being very close to our suppliers and spending more time evaluating procurement, providing alternative products and solutions to be able to stay on schedule. We actually in COVID year 2020, we had a record year. So we'll continue to be anticipatory, mitigate the risks and communicate with our customers on the T and D and E and M side to avoid any sort of impacts that we have to our business and to our customers' business.

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

Okay. You touched on this a little bit, but I'm kind of curious on a couple levels. We just had the big wildfire disaster in California.

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

Are you

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

seeing geographically broader undergrounding,

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

I don't know

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

what the right word is, momentum from some of your T and D customers? And also some of the data centers are fairly remote. Are you seeing undergrounding becoming a feature of the data center design for their interconnections?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. Let's talk about the California wildfires first. And we were honored to be able to answer the call from our utility customers and provide restoration and repair of services. So we've got businesses in Southern California. We do primarily underground work and we deployed many crews over to help those in need.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

So, undergrounding has been a big part of our business on the T and D side. We've been doing it for decades. So we do see continued trend for more undergrounding work from our customers. As far as the data center side, haven't really seen much on the undergrounding changes from what is designed as far as getting services over to primarily electric to our customers. So don't know about any changes on the data center side.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

But certainly with the risk there, I believe our customers are looking at that as an option. There's a cost element to it, Chris, as you know, and I think we'll be involved with providing those constructability reviews as we get on board early with these projects and look at best methods and best opportunities to be able to provide the customers what they need.

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

Okay. Lastly, you sort of touched on this very briefly about storm restoration work in the fourth quarter. Obviously, there was some California work recently, but it was a pretty stormy fourth quarter. Can you give us any kind of color on what storm restoration work in the fourth quarter looked like year over year? Or was it particularly high margin quarter for you?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. Typically, we don't give the detail on our storm work. Again, we're available to go do the recovery work and storm work. So California, I mentioned earlier, but also some of the other related weather work. It's important for our business.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

It's more important that we're able to help those in need to be able to restore and repair and get them back on their feet. So, don't go to that level of detail. We do that work and we don't necessarily plan for that because we can't predict the nature and the weather. So, the storm work is something that we're honored to do to help and answer the call to our utility customers.

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

I get it. It's difficult to sort of plan for storm and restoration work in general. But given the outlook for wildfire proclivity, let's say, and storm activity sort of expecting to gain momentum over time. Is that an area where you'd like to have more resources available?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes, but we definitely want to be able to respond to our customers and to be able to help out and get those services back in place. So, we've got the capital necessary to be able to build up our equipment and our people. So, yes, we want to be able to help those in need and we look for the readiness for our crews and our equipment to be able to do any of that work going forward. The most recent storm work or storm that we had in the East, we didn't have a lot of storm work associated with that. Just typical type of weather conditions, type of snow, drier snow versus ice that could tear down lines and poles.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

So we've got a good plan to be able to deploy quickly. And when you think about margin too, I mean the margin we're taking crews away from our fixed price at MSA work. So there could be some trade off there. So I just want to emphasize that we're pleased to go do the work. It takes us off of our plan of doing our normal work.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

And when we get back to our regular work, we're back to our core of what we do.

[Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank]

Got you. Thanks so much. Appreciate the details, Jeff.

[Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer at Everus Construction]

Thanks, Chris.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thank you, Chris.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Brent Thielman with D. A. Davidson and Company. Please go ahead.

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Hey, thanks guys. Hey, Jeff, I mean, if I look at the business over the last number of years, you've had a book positive book to burn or at least one times or greater. As you think about everything that's happening in your end markets and the pipeline over the course of 2025, is there any reason to think your book to bill would be less than one times or your bookings can't grow this year again with all the activity in the space?

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. I think there's a lot of optimism on our side as far as the work that we have in our backlog, our ability to be able to execute that work and also the long backlog work. So a lot of excitement in the economy and I think we're we see some enthusiasm and optimism on our side of the and look forward to be able to beat those expectations.

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Yes. And maybe just one more. From a seasonality perspective, is there something different to the cadence and revenue you're expecting this year maybe versus just looking at it in the past because you talked about these large projects and the timing of those. So I don't know if this is a more back end loaded than usual type of year. But if you could just comment on that, that'd be great.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Yes. With most of our work in our E and M segment, we are not as affected by weather as we could be in our T and D. And we work year round with both segments and have had some impact with weather, but usually not that impacted overall by weather, especially when those projects are planned in those particular regions in accordance with weather patterns.

[Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson]

Thanks, guys.

[Operator]

As there are no further questions at this time, that concludes today's Q and A session. I would now like to turn the call over to Jeff Dean for closing remarks.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

Thank you, operator, and thank you all again for joining us today. We are very excited about the opportunities ahead for Everest. We are scaled for success and we're built for growth, and we are confident that we are well positioned to create long term value as a standalone public company. We've enjoyed the opportunity to meet with many of you over the last few months since our spin, and we look forward to continuing the conversation in the coming quarters. Thank you for your time and interest in Everest.

[Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO at Everus Construction]

And this concludes today's call.

[Operator]

That concludes today's meeting. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Jeffrey Thiede, President & CEO
• Maximillian Marcy, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Analysts

• Paul Bartolai, Partner - Investor Relations Practice at Vallum Advisors
• Brent Thielman, MD & Senior Research Analyst at D.A. Davidson
• Brian Brophy, Associate Vice President at Stifel Financial
• Ian Zaffino, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.
• Chris Senyek, Chief Investment Strategist at Wolfe Research LLC
• Christopher Ellinghaus, Managing Director at Siebert Williams Shank