NYSE:QS QuantumScape Q4 2024 Earnings Report $8.26 -0.44 (-5.01%) Closing price 08/6/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$8.38 +0.12 (+1.45%) As of 04:11 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast QuantumScape EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.22Consensus EPS -$0.21Beat/MissMissed by -$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AQuantumScape Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AQuantumScape Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/12/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, February 12, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsQuantumScape's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, October 22, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by QuantumScape Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 12, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways In 2024, QuantumScape shipped alpha2 samples, ramped Raptor, began low-volume B0 QSC5 production delivering 844 Wh/L and ~12-minute fast charge, and released COBRA for 2025 scale up. The company formed a 150+ person joint team with VW PowerCo to industrialize the QSC5 platform and assemble an IP package needed for gigawatt-hour scale production licensing. For 2025, milestones include making COBRA the baseline separator process, installing higher-volume cell assembly, shipping QSC5 B1 samples for a 2026 demo, and advancing OEM licensing talks. Q4 2024 CapEx was $11.2 M, FY net loss $477.9 M (adj. EBITDA loss $285 M); 2025 guidance targets $45–75 M CapEx, $250–280 M adj. EBITDA loss, and $910.8 M liquidity into H2 2028. The shift to a capital-light licensing model aims to reduce spending, leverage partner resources, and secure customer inflows (NRE, reimbursements, prepays) prior to licensing revenue. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallQuantumScape Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00day. Good day, and welcome to QuantumScapes Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. John Sager, QuantumScape's Vice President of Capital Markets, you may begin your conference. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:00:13Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and thank you to everyone for joining QuantumScape's fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. To supplement today's discussion, please go to our IR Web site at ir.quantumscape.com to view our shareholder letter. Before we begin, I want to call your attention to the safe harbor provision for forward looking statements that is posted on our website as part of our quarterly update. Forward looking statements generally relate to future events, future technology progress, or future financial or operating performance. Our expectations and beliefs regarding these matters may not materialize. Actual results and financial periods are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. There are risk factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the content of our forward looking statement for the reasons that we cite in our shareholder letter, Form 10 ks and other SEC filings, including uncertainties posed by the difficulty in predicting future outcomes. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:01:12Joining us today will be QuantumScape's CEO, Doctor. Siva Sivaram and our CFO, Devin Hetrick. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Sivaram. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:01:23Thank you, John. I'd like to briefly recap our achievements over the past year and lay out our goals for 2025. '20 '20 '4 was a watershed year for QuantumScape, reinforcing our status as the global leader in solid state battery technology. We achieved our four key goals for the year. We shipped alpha two samples incorporating advanced packaging and high loading cathodes. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:01:54We ramped Raptor, the first deployment of our disruptively faster and more efficient separated heat treatment process, we began low volume B0 production of QFC5 cells with industry leading performance, energy density of eight forty four WhL and capable of exceptional safety, fast charging in about twelve minutes, excellent discharge power and low temperature operation. Most recently, in December, we released our advanced COBRA separated heat treatment equipment, setting the stage for higher volume B1 sample production in 2025. Last year, we also unveiled the cornerstone of our commercial licensing strategy, our partnership with Powerco, the battery manufacturing company of the Volkswagen Group. We are building out a 150 plus person joint team with experts from both companies that's working together on-site at our facilities in San Jose, California. This team has a singular goal: industrialize the QSC5 technology platform for use in electric vehicles, leading up to a gigawatt hour scale production of the QSC5 platform in PowerCore's own facilities. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:03:20For gigawatt hour scale production, a package of technology and intellectual property is required to produce sales based on our QSC five platform. This package includes, among other things, equipment designs, materials, process definitions and recipes, metrology specifications and software APIs. We are making significant progress in developing all the necessary elements of this technology package. Our baseline for the B0 cell production currently uses the Raptor separator process. The baseline has significantly improved yield and reliability as we have learned and refined the various subcomponents of the process. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:04:07Raptor, in particular, has demonstrated much improved separator quality and process stability and will serve as the workhorse in separator production while we prepare to transition to COBRA. We expect to switch our baseline process from Raptor to COBRA in 2025, enabling higher volume B1 sample production. With a successful 2024 behind us, it's time to turn our attention to 2025. We are focused on readying our technology platform for transfer to prospective licensees, working shoulder to shoulder with our partners. The singular aim of this effort is to bring our solid state lithium metal technology to market, beginning with our prospective launch customer. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:04:56Our key goals for the year reflect this. Our first goal is to bring cobra into baseline production. Now that cobra heat treatment equipment has been released, we will finish qualifying downstream processing equipment and metrology capable of keeping pace with much higher rates of separator production. When the full separator production flow is in place and achieving sufficient yield and quality, COBRA will supply Traptor in the baseline. Our second goal is to install higher volume cell production equipment. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:05:33Together with Powerco, we are industrializing the rest of the cell assembly process to match the higher throughput of COBRA. To achieve QRC5B1 sample production, the joint team will work on automation, equipment development, and installation of higher volume cell build equipment. Our third goal and our most significant operational milestone is to ship QSC5 B1 samples for customer testing. B1 samples are intended to reflect a mature set of cell performance and manufacturing specifications. And initial volumes of QFC5 B1 cell shipments will support the demonstration phase of the launch program with our prospective customer targeted for 2026. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:06:25Our final goal for the year is to expand our commercial engagements. The partnership with Powerco is the blueprint for achieving our ambition of licensing our technology platform across the electric vehicle and energy storage industries. This year, we aim to expand our portfolio of potential licensing partnerships and we are in active discussions with two automotive OEMs. We are also building relationships with technology partners and global players across the battery value chain. I'd like to say a few final words about our strategic outlook. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:07:05Our mission is to revolutionize the electric vehicle and energy storage industries. The core of our value creation is our technology platform. And the success of this platform is determined by three main elements: Process, Product and Partners. With respect to Process, in 2024, we made major strides with our next generation COBRA separated heat treatment process. The first version of COBRA equipment is already operating. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:07:40And thanks to dramatically better efficiency and process economics, Cobra will support increasing volumes of B1 samples in 2025 and serve as a key enabler to gigawatt hour scale deployment of our technology. On the product front, 2024 saw the debut of our industry leading first product, the QSC5Cell, boasting a combination of performance features which demonstrates the compelling value of our technology platform. QSE5 represents a no compromise solid state battery unmatched in the industry. In 2025, we will produce higher volume B1 samples of the QSE5 product for our prospective launch customer and others. Finally, in 2024, we unveiled our partnership under our Capital Lite Licensing Model. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:08:41PowerCore's personnel, expertise and resources will help drive the rapid industrialization of our technology platform. We also believe this licensing partnership is the first of many. And in 2025, we will expand our commercial engagements. This year, we are building momentum on all fronts, integrating COBRA and high volume B1 cell production processes into our baseline, shipping B1 samples of our QSC5 product, and forging partnerships across the battery value chain. Executing on these goals will further cement our place as the global leader in solid state batteries. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:09:28Without understating the tasks ahead, We are closer than ever to achieving our long term goals: industrializing our next generation battery technology platform, creating exceptional value for shareholders, and revolutionizing energy storage. Thank you for your support, and we look forward to reporting on our continued success in the year ahead. With that, let me turn things over to Kevin. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:09:56Thank you, Siva. Capital expenditures in the fourth quarter were $11,200,000 and for the full year 2024 were $62,100,000 within guidance. Q4 capex primarily supported equipment purchases for lower volume QSC5B0 sample production, as well as the COBRA process and other equipment as we prepare for higher volume QSC5B1 sample production in 2025. GAAP operating expenses and GAAP net loss in Q4 were $128,700,000 and $114,700,000 and for full year 2024 were $525,200,000 and $477,900,000 respectively. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $64,700,000 in Q4, in line with expectations, and $285,000,000 for full year 2024 within guidance. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:10:52A table reconciling GAAP net loss and adjusted EBITDA loss is available in our shareholder letter. For 2025, we forecast capex of between $45,000,000 and $75,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA loss to be between $250,000,000 and $280,000,000 This reduction in overall spend from 2024 levels further aligns our workforce and operational focus with our capital light business model, supporting our 2025 goals including shipping initial volumes of QSE5 B1 cells to support the demonstration phase of the launch program with our prospective customer, targeted for 2026. We ended 2024 with $910,800,000 in liquidity, which includes $128,500,000 of net proceeds raised under our Aptamarket equity program. This extends our cash runway into the second half of twenty twenty eight, '6 months longer than our previous guidance. Any additional funds from customer inflows or from capital markets activity would further extend this cash runway. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:12:00Thanks, Kevin. We'll begin today's Q and A portion with a few questions we've received from investors or that I believe investors would be interested in. Sibha, commercialization plans are at the forefront of investors' minds. What are the plans for PowerCo and for your QSE5 launch customer? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:12:19Thank you, John. As we said in the shareholder letter, B1 samples are going to support the demonstration phase of our customers' launch program, which is targeted for 2026. As much as I'd like to share more, I need to maintain customer confidentiality. With respect to our PowerCore relationship, in the early part of last year, we made the decision to pursue a capital light licensing business model. The first demonstration of feasibility of this model is the collaboration agreement with Powerco. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:12:54We have a well developed long term roadmap of industrialization between the two companies. The near term work involves getting our B1 sample production running on-site in San Jose and PowerCore is helping out on elements of cell production. In parallel with that effort, we are working to build a technology package for PowerCore to take our QSC5 platform to gigawatt hour scale production. And we are working on all aspects of this package today. The QSC5 platform is packaged into a customized technology solution that will be licensed to individual customers. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:13:37On that front, we are expanding our commercial engagements and are in active discussions with two automotive OEMs about licensing arrangements. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:13:47And just to give investors additional color on the typical progression of licensing arrangements. Customer cash inflows may occur ahead of revenue from licensing. These cash inflows may take many forms, including NRE payments, reimbursement of certain expenditures, and license prepays. Licensing revenues would then follow successful technology transfer and partner startup production. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:14:15Thanks so much guys. Kevin, we are guiding for the midpoint of capex to be about flat and adjusted EBITDA loss to be lower in 2025 than 2024. Is this because of the focus on a licensing model and what is the company doing to adapt to this model? Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:14:30Thank you for the question, John. There are three primary drivers. First, as you mentioned, is our licensing model. Our task is to develop and transfer the package of technology and intellectual property to our licensing partner. This task requires less spending when compared to a manufacturing business model. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:14:52Second is the collaboration with VW Power Co and their contribution of resources and skilled personnel. And third, is the progression from Raptor to Cobra and the industrialization of the rest of the cell assembly and production process flow. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:15:06Thanks Kevin. Siva, one final question from me. Focusing on the near term, is there anything more you can share about QuantumScape's transition from smaller volume B0 sample production to higher volume B1 sample production? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:15:20John, the solid state separator is the core of our technology platform and getting a gigawatt hour capable process for separator production up and running is the way we take this technology to a global scale. To scale separator production, all cobra equipment has been turned on. The heat treatment equipment has been released. The downstream equipment has been powered on. Our first goal for 2025 is to get the whole cobra production flow into the baseline. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:15:54When I walk around the line and compare the cobra equipment to Raptor, it is really remarkable how much more efficient cobra is. The innovation here is dramatic. State of the art ceramics production can take days for heat treatment step. Raptor reduced this to hours. COBRA reduced this to a matter of minutes with a significant footprint reduction and separator quality improvements. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:16:24And we are quite pleased with the early results. We are now actively working on a more automated line that can match COBRA's output and produce the higher volume B1 samples that will go into the demo phase of the launch next year. In this effort, engineers from Powerco are working closely with us on getting higher volume cell production up and running. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:16:48Okay. Thanks so much. We're now ready to begin the live portion of today's call. Operator, please open up the line for questions. Operator00:17:08We'll go first to Winnie Dong, Deutsche Bank. Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:17:13Thank you so much for taking my questions. My question is around the active discussion with the two auto OEMs that you mentioned in the shareholder letter. I'm just curious to hear the kind of feedback you might be getting during the process Because we're sort of in this uncertain environment with like easy policies and the narratives around it. Do you sense more engagement, same engagement or less engagement from your customer pipeline on the whole of this? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:17:43Vinny, thank you. It's an important question. We have not seen any reduction, if anything, excitement about engagement with us. We feel and our customers feel as well that the long term secular growth in electrification of transportation is still underway. And on top of it, probably the impediments to the adoption of electric vehicles revolve primarily around the batteries and they see us as the longer term solution to that problem. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:18:22So, the engagement with our customers continues to be robust. They are excited and as you would expect these discussions involve deep technical diligence, working with senior executives in the company, making sure that the licensing business model works with them, making sure that there are other intellectual property and business terms that are worked out. So these are all proceeding in parallel and these interactions have been very involved between the teams. Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:19:02Got it. Very helpful. Thank you. And then my follow-up question is on the the joint team of, 150 plus people that will be built out, you know, as part of the partnership with Paracol. Maybe can you go into more specifics on what each team is bringing? Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:19:18And then the kind of deliverables that are expected out of this team in the next twelve months or so? And then all of this 150 personnel, how many is from QuantumScape and how many is from PowerCore? Are you able to disclose that? Thanks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:19:35Let me give you a broader perspective on this and give you some specific answers. We have the basic technology platform in a good place when we delivered the B0 cell. It has the industry leading combination of no compromise energy density, power density, particularly safety, low temperature operation, and discharge power capability. That is the starting point from which both teams are working on. The Powerco team is particularly adept in manufacturing industrialization. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:20:18So they are helping us with designing tools, making sure that the automation works very well, works very well in a large industrial setting so that their focus is on the tools and tool development, and that's what they'll be responsible for along with us. We continue to develop our core IP with respect to the separator, making sure that we have a truly scalable COBRA process that's deployed. And we are approximately half and half in in this effort in the number of people that are going to be here. Clearly, there are going to be a lot more of our people working on the core technology here. But in the development phase of the 50 people, we expect it to be half and half. Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:21:07Got it. That's very helpful. I'll pass along. Thanks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:21:10Thank you. Operator00:21:12The next question today comes from Jordan Levy, Truist Securities. Henry RobertsEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:21:19Hi, all. It's Henry on for Jordan here. Thanks for all the color with this release. Maybe just to start by going to PowerCo, should we be looking for any incremental updates or details throughout the year kind of concerning the partnership outside of the higher volume production equipment installation? Thanks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:21:41So, Hendry, I have to be absolutely careful. I don't give away what PowerCore is planning on announcing. We are in very, very close contact, obviously, at all levels of the company. We have continuous interactions on this and very rigorous timelines that both companies management constantly evaluate. I am very, very sure PowerCon and Volkswagen at the right time will make the announcements and they will tell us what we can talk to you all outside. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:22:15All I can tell you is the collaboration and the industrialization process between the teams is going very well. Henry RobertsEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:22:27Got you. Understood. And then maybe with the B1 cells, can you start maybe a little more to the performance improvement you all expect to see from those versus the B0s? Is that kind of the focus on more reliability or are there some other key metrics we should be looking at? Are you all looking for when B1 start to roll off? Thank you. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:22:51When we announced the B0 cell performance, you got to see how good that cell is. Eight forty four watt hours per liter, extremely good power performance, being able to charge in just over twelve minutes, discharge power at very, very high rates, being able to take it to minus 30 degrees C and wonderful safety performance. So we are quite pleased with that sample's performance. As you mentioned, our work right now is in the industrialization of it and taking it to a higher volume, more automated equipment, COBRA process coming in, making sure that we are well documented in developing a transfer package. The technology package that we keep talking about that consists of a set of equipment, a set of materials, a set of recipes for running that materials through that equipment, making sure that we have the software and metrology that wraps all this together. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:24:01That's where the big focus is in getting into the higher volume B1 production. And those B1 samples, of course, will be going into supporting the demo program in 2026. Operator00:24:22We'll take the next question today from Jed Dorsheimer, William Blair. Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:24:30Hi. You have Mark Suter on for Jed Dorsheimer. Congrats on all the progress made in 2024. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on where the scale up of PowerCo will be located, given the IRA versus the Trump administration puts and takes? Does that influence where the scale up will occur? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:24:53Mark, I should not speak for PowerCo, but Powerco has announced factories in three locations in Germany, in Spain, and in Canada. They have not officially announced anything in The United States. And I would expect that, they'll be thinking about it longer term in light of all these announcements, just like, you and I have been looking at. But I have to be very careful what I announce for PowerCo. Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:25:33Understood. Thanks for the color. That's helpful. Probably prior to that large scale up is your prospective launch customer. Can you give us any color on what level of scale is necessary for that? Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:25:48Are there any technical points along the way you can point us to to check progress on that prospective launch customer? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:25:59Yeah. The B1 samples that we are going to be making in higher volumes here in San Jose go directly into the launch customers' demo program. And those the sales performance themselves is already well proven. As we increase the volume of production here with COBRA, that's what's going on. This is a high profile project, relatively smaller volume so that they can go out and launch this. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:26:32So you are going to hear again from the customer than from us and we are being very careful in how we market this ourselves. It's not ours to say that. Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:26:47Understood. Thank you very much. Operator00:27:04Your next question comes from the line of Davis Sunderland with Baird. Your line is open. Davis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & Co00:27:11Hey, good afternoon guys. Thank you for the time. Appreciate taking my questions. Just wanted to ask first, could you maybe speak to your discussions or appetite for discussions, probably better way to frame it up, that you might be having with Chinese OEMs specifically, or if the current geopolitical landscape has shifted focus away from that market? And then I have one follow-up. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:27:31We have not come out and talked about who our OEM partners are outside of Volkswagen and Powercoal. Our existing relationship, as we have talked about with six large OEMs, cover a vast swath of the automotive OEM landscape from pure play EV players to high volume producers to geographic diversity. We haven't explicitly come out and talked about any one customer. And again, maybe it looks like it's a theme that I'm repeating myself many times today because we're talking a lot about customers. I cannot be the one that talks about our customers plan till they tell me that they can we can talk about. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:28:19In the case of Volkswagen Powerco, they have released, press releases with our name in it. We have joined team released statements. So it is easier for me to talk about Volkswagen Powerco, but the rest of the six customers, we haven't explicitly called out and told you who they are. Davis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & Co00:28:41Understood. I mean, that makes sense. Don't mean to badger. Maybe just for one quick follow-up, lots of announcements out there, mostly at lab scale and other people trying to develop technology that will rival yours. But have you seen anyone in particular challenging your IP or playing catch up maybe if that's the right way to say it? Thank you. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:29:00I'm glad you asked this question. I mean, I don't get to brag often enough in these calls. We do hear companies do both ways. You can see a lot of announcements in the battery space. People who have undifferentiated technologies shutting down their shop in large scale, smaller players switching their business models to go sell either materials or other things, and some large players making announcements about solid state without giving data. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:29:39We have put out what we consider as the gold standard for measurement and we show the data every time whether it is on how we measure energy density, how we measure power, how do we measure temperature, what is the pressure used, what is the cycling up and cycling down rates, etc. We don't see anyone else reporting consistently data that would match what we have put. This is why I call ours the no compromise solid state battery and QS continues to be the global leader in solid state batteries. Davis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & Co00:30:25Thank you, Subha. Congrats team. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:30:28Thank you. Operator00:30:37Your next question comes from Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Aman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman Sachs00:30:43Hi, Yefimand Bhutto on for Mark Delaney. Thanks for taking the questions. Just to get a better color on the 2026 launch, just to clarify, is that a kind of full launch? Or I think you mentioned something about it being a demo launch and kind of what does it mean to be launched? And then how should we think about that being in terms of like revenue recognition? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:31:08Kevin, do you want to dig that? Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:31:10Sure. To point you to a couple of comments in the letter and in our spoken word, this is a high visibility, low volume project, bringing our technology into a real world application we see as a major commercialization milestone that, in the licensing agreements with which we are targeting the the typical progression of things, the cash cash flows may occur ahead of revenue from licensing. Those cash flows can take many forms including NRE payments, reimbursement of certain expenditures, and licensing prepays and that licensing revenues would follow from the, successful technology transfer and partner start of production. Aman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman Sachs00:32:00Got it. Thank you for that. And then just to kind of follow-up, understood that PowerCo is helping with some of the industrialization and you're working towards this launch in 2026. So how should we kind of think about the pace of CapEx and OpEx, noting that you had quarter on quarter pretty decent step down in SG and A, but then a somewhat step up in R and D? Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:32:29It's a fantastic question. On the OpEx, you'd note that our entire guidance range this year is below actuals from full year 2024. And on CapEx, I can be even more expansive. The last few years, we've made pretty significant investments into our San Jose facilities that includes the buildings, the equipment set, and with success this year, if we hit our second and third goals, we'll be operating our COBRA process and further, industrialized downstream processes. And we see that equipment set as being quite capable for QSE5 tech transfer. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:33:11After 2025, regarding the funding of capex, outside of subsequent product development needs, we expect any significant capex to be funded by partners as part of a commercialization program. Aman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman Sachs00:33:25Thank you for that call. It really helps. I'll pass it on. Operator00:33:31This concludes the question and answer session. I will turn the call back to Siva for closing remarks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:33:37Thank you, operator. With that, thank you for listening and we look forward to updating you on further progress in the months to come. Operator00:33:49This concludes today's conference call. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJohn SaagerHead-Investor RelationsSiva SivaramPresident & CEOKevin HettrichCFOAnalystsWinnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche BankHenry RobertsEquity Research Associate at Truist SecuritiesMark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William BlairDavis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00day. Good day, and welcome to QuantumScapes Fourth Quarter twenty twenty four Earnings Conference Call. John Sager, QuantumScape's Vice President of Capital Markets, you may begin your conference. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:00:13Thank you, operator. Good afternoon and thank you to everyone for joining QuantumScape's fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. To supplement today's discussion, please go to our IR Web site at ir.quantumscape.com to view our shareholder letter. Before we begin, I want to call your attention to the safe harbor provision for forward looking statements that is posted on our website as part of our quarterly update. Forward looking statements generally relate to future events, future technology progress, or future financial or operating performance. Our expectations and beliefs regarding these matters may not materialize. Actual results and financial periods are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. There are risk factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the content of our forward looking statement for the reasons that we cite in our shareholder letter, Form 10 ks and other SEC filings, including uncertainties posed by the difficulty in predicting future outcomes. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:01:12Joining us today will be QuantumScape's CEO, Doctor. Siva Sivaram and our CFO, Devin Hetrick. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Sivaram. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:01:23Thank you, John. I'd like to briefly recap our achievements over the past year and lay out our goals for 2025. '20 '20 '4 was a watershed year for QuantumScape, reinforcing our status as the global leader in solid state battery technology. We achieved our four key goals for the year. We shipped alpha two samples incorporating advanced packaging and high loading cathodes. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:01:54We ramped Raptor, the first deployment of our disruptively faster and more efficient separated heat treatment process, we began low volume B0 production of QFC5 cells with industry leading performance, energy density of eight forty four WhL and capable of exceptional safety, fast charging in about twelve minutes, excellent discharge power and low temperature operation. Most recently, in December, we released our advanced COBRA separated heat treatment equipment, setting the stage for higher volume B1 sample production in 2025. Last year, we also unveiled the cornerstone of our commercial licensing strategy, our partnership with Powerco, the battery manufacturing company of the Volkswagen Group. We are building out a 150 plus person joint team with experts from both companies that's working together on-site at our facilities in San Jose, California. This team has a singular goal: industrialize the QSC5 technology platform for use in electric vehicles, leading up to a gigawatt hour scale production of the QSC5 platform in PowerCore's own facilities. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:03:20For gigawatt hour scale production, a package of technology and intellectual property is required to produce sales based on our QSC five platform. This package includes, among other things, equipment designs, materials, process definitions and recipes, metrology specifications and software APIs. We are making significant progress in developing all the necessary elements of this technology package. Our baseline for the B0 cell production currently uses the Raptor separator process. The baseline has significantly improved yield and reliability as we have learned and refined the various subcomponents of the process. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:04:07Raptor, in particular, has demonstrated much improved separator quality and process stability and will serve as the workhorse in separator production while we prepare to transition to COBRA. We expect to switch our baseline process from Raptor to COBRA in 2025, enabling higher volume B1 sample production. With a successful 2024 behind us, it's time to turn our attention to 2025. We are focused on readying our technology platform for transfer to prospective licensees, working shoulder to shoulder with our partners. The singular aim of this effort is to bring our solid state lithium metal technology to market, beginning with our prospective launch customer. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:04:56Our key goals for the year reflect this. Our first goal is to bring cobra into baseline production. Now that cobra heat treatment equipment has been released, we will finish qualifying downstream processing equipment and metrology capable of keeping pace with much higher rates of separator production. When the full separator production flow is in place and achieving sufficient yield and quality, COBRA will supply Traptor in the baseline. Our second goal is to install higher volume cell production equipment. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:05:33Together with Powerco, we are industrializing the rest of the cell assembly process to match the higher throughput of COBRA. To achieve QRC5B1 sample production, the joint team will work on automation, equipment development, and installation of higher volume cell build equipment. Our third goal and our most significant operational milestone is to ship QSC5 B1 samples for customer testing. B1 samples are intended to reflect a mature set of cell performance and manufacturing specifications. And initial volumes of QFC5 B1 cell shipments will support the demonstration phase of the launch program with our prospective customer targeted for 2026. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:06:25Our final goal for the year is to expand our commercial engagements. The partnership with Powerco is the blueprint for achieving our ambition of licensing our technology platform across the electric vehicle and energy storage industries. This year, we aim to expand our portfolio of potential licensing partnerships and we are in active discussions with two automotive OEMs. We are also building relationships with technology partners and global players across the battery value chain. I'd like to say a few final words about our strategic outlook. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:07:05Our mission is to revolutionize the electric vehicle and energy storage industries. The core of our value creation is our technology platform. And the success of this platform is determined by three main elements: Process, Product and Partners. With respect to Process, in 2024, we made major strides with our next generation COBRA separated heat treatment process. The first version of COBRA equipment is already operating. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:07:40And thanks to dramatically better efficiency and process economics, Cobra will support increasing volumes of B1 samples in 2025 and serve as a key enabler to gigawatt hour scale deployment of our technology. On the product front, 2024 saw the debut of our industry leading first product, the QSC5Cell, boasting a combination of performance features which demonstrates the compelling value of our technology platform. QSE5 represents a no compromise solid state battery unmatched in the industry. In 2025, we will produce higher volume B1 samples of the QSE5 product for our prospective launch customer and others. Finally, in 2024, we unveiled our partnership under our Capital Lite Licensing Model. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:08:41PowerCore's personnel, expertise and resources will help drive the rapid industrialization of our technology platform. We also believe this licensing partnership is the first of many. And in 2025, we will expand our commercial engagements. This year, we are building momentum on all fronts, integrating COBRA and high volume B1 cell production processes into our baseline, shipping B1 samples of our QSC5 product, and forging partnerships across the battery value chain. Executing on these goals will further cement our place as the global leader in solid state batteries. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:09:28Without understating the tasks ahead, We are closer than ever to achieving our long term goals: industrializing our next generation battery technology platform, creating exceptional value for shareholders, and revolutionizing energy storage. Thank you for your support, and we look forward to reporting on our continued success in the year ahead. With that, let me turn things over to Kevin. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:09:56Thank you, Siva. Capital expenditures in the fourth quarter were $11,200,000 and for the full year 2024 were $62,100,000 within guidance. Q4 capex primarily supported equipment purchases for lower volume QSC5B0 sample production, as well as the COBRA process and other equipment as we prepare for higher volume QSC5B1 sample production in 2025. GAAP operating expenses and GAAP net loss in Q4 were $128,700,000 and $114,700,000 and for full year 2024 were $525,200,000 and $477,900,000 respectively. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $64,700,000 in Q4, in line with expectations, and $285,000,000 for full year 2024 within guidance. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:10:52A table reconciling GAAP net loss and adjusted EBITDA loss is available in our shareholder letter. For 2025, we forecast capex of between $45,000,000 and $75,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA loss to be between $250,000,000 and $280,000,000 This reduction in overall spend from 2024 levels further aligns our workforce and operational focus with our capital light business model, supporting our 2025 goals including shipping initial volumes of QSE5 B1 cells to support the demonstration phase of the launch program with our prospective customer, targeted for 2026. We ended 2024 with $910,800,000 in liquidity, which includes $128,500,000 of net proceeds raised under our Aptamarket equity program. This extends our cash runway into the second half of twenty twenty eight, '6 months longer than our previous guidance. Any additional funds from customer inflows or from capital markets activity would further extend this cash runway. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:12:00Thanks, Kevin. We'll begin today's Q and A portion with a few questions we've received from investors or that I believe investors would be interested in. Sibha, commercialization plans are at the forefront of investors' minds. What are the plans for PowerCo and for your QSE5 launch customer? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:12:19Thank you, John. As we said in the shareholder letter, B1 samples are going to support the demonstration phase of our customers' launch program, which is targeted for 2026. As much as I'd like to share more, I need to maintain customer confidentiality. With respect to our PowerCore relationship, in the early part of last year, we made the decision to pursue a capital light licensing business model. The first demonstration of feasibility of this model is the collaboration agreement with Powerco. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:12:54We have a well developed long term roadmap of industrialization between the two companies. The near term work involves getting our B1 sample production running on-site in San Jose and PowerCore is helping out on elements of cell production. In parallel with that effort, we are working to build a technology package for PowerCore to take our QSC5 platform to gigawatt hour scale production. And we are working on all aspects of this package today. The QSC5 platform is packaged into a customized technology solution that will be licensed to individual customers. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:13:37On that front, we are expanding our commercial engagements and are in active discussions with two automotive OEMs about licensing arrangements. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:13:47And just to give investors additional color on the typical progression of licensing arrangements. Customer cash inflows may occur ahead of revenue from licensing. These cash inflows may take many forms, including NRE payments, reimbursement of certain expenditures, and license prepays. Licensing revenues would then follow successful technology transfer and partner startup production. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:14:15Thanks so much guys. Kevin, we are guiding for the midpoint of capex to be about flat and adjusted EBITDA loss to be lower in 2025 than 2024. Is this because of the focus on a licensing model and what is the company doing to adapt to this model? Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:14:30Thank you for the question, John. There are three primary drivers. First, as you mentioned, is our licensing model. Our task is to develop and transfer the package of technology and intellectual property to our licensing partner. This task requires less spending when compared to a manufacturing business model. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:14:52Second is the collaboration with VW Power Co and their contribution of resources and skilled personnel. And third, is the progression from Raptor to Cobra and the industrialization of the rest of the cell assembly and production process flow. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:15:06Thanks Kevin. Siva, one final question from me. Focusing on the near term, is there anything more you can share about QuantumScape's transition from smaller volume B0 sample production to higher volume B1 sample production? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:15:20John, the solid state separator is the core of our technology platform and getting a gigawatt hour capable process for separator production up and running is the way we take this technology to a global scale. To scale separator production, all cobra equipment has been turned on. The heat treatment equipment has been released. The downstream equipment has been powered on. Our first goal for 2025 is to get the whole cobra production flow into the baseline. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:15:54When I walk around the line and compare the cobra equipment to Raptor, it is really remarkable how much more efficient cobra is. The innovation here is dramatic. State of the art ceramics production can take days for heat treatment step. Raptor reduced this to hours. COBRA reduced this to a matter of minutes with a significant footprint reduction and separator quality improvements. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:16:24And we are quite pleased with the early results. We are now actively working on a more automated line that can match COBRA's output and produce the higher volume B1 samples that will go into the demo phase of the launch next year. In this effort, engineers from Powerco are working closely with us on getting higher volume cell production up and running. John SaagerHead-Investor Relations at QuantumScape00:16:48Okay. Thanks so much. We're now ready to begin the live portion of today's call. Operator, please open up the line for questions. Operator00:17:08We'll go first to Winnie Dong, Deutsche Bank. Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:17:13Thank you so much for taking my questions. My question is around the active discussion with the two auto OEMs that you mentioned in the shareholder letter. I'm just curious to hear the kind of feedback you might be getting during the process Because we're sort of in this uncertain environment with like easy policies and the narratives around it. Do you sense more engagement, same engagement or less engagement from your customer pipeline on the whole of this? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:17:43Vinny, thank you. It's an important question. We have not seen any reduction, if anything, excitement about engagement with us. We feel and our customers feel as well that the long term secular growth in electrification of transportation is still underway. And on top of it, probably the impediments to the adoption of electric vehicles revolve primarily around the batteries and they see us as the longer term solution to that problem. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:18:22So, the engagement with our customers continues to be robust. They are excited and as you would expect these discussions involve deep technical diligence, working with senior executives in the company, making sure that the licensing business model works with them, making sure that there are other intellectual property and business terms that are worked out. So these are all proceeding in parallel and these interactions have been very involved between the teams. Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:19:02Got it. Very helpful. Thank you. And then my follow-up question is on the the joint team of, 150 plus people that will be built out, you know, as part of the partnership with Paracol. Maybe can you go into more specifics on what each team is bringing? Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:19:18And then the kind of deliverables that are expected out of this team in the next twelve months or so? And then all of this 150 personnel, how many is from QuantumScape and how many is from PowerCore? Are you able to disclose that? Thanks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:19:35Let me give you a broader perspective on this and give you some specific answers. We have the basic technology platform in a good place when we delivered the B0 cell. It has the industry leading combination of no compromise energy density, power density, particularly safety, low temperature operation, and discharge power capability. That is the starting point from which both teams are working on. The Powerco team is particularly adept in manufacturing industrialization. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:20:18So they are helping us with designing tools, making sure that the automation works very well, works very well in a large industrial setting so that their focus is on the tools and tool development, and that's what they'll be responsible for along with us. We continue to develop our core IP with respect to the separator, making sure that we have a truly scalable COBRA process that's deployed. And we are approximately half and half in in this effort in the number of people that are going to be here. Clearly, there are going to be a lot more of our people working on the core technology here. But in the development phase of the 50 people, we expect it to be half and half. Winnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche Bank00:21:07Got it. That's very helpful. I'll pass along. Thanks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:21:10Thank you. Operator00:21:12The next question today comes from Jordan Levy, Truist Securities. Henry RobertsEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:21:19Hi, all. It's Henry on for Jordan here. Thanks for all the color with this release. Maybe just to start by going to PowerCo, should we be looking for any incremental updates or details throughout the year kind of concerning the partnership outside of the higher volume production equipment installation? Thanks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:21:41So, Hendry, I have to be absolutely careful. I don't give away what PowerCore is planning on announcing. We are in very, very close contact, obviously, at all levels of the company. We have continuous interactions on this and very rigorous timelines that both companies management constantly evaluate. I am very, very sure PowerCon and Volkswagen at the right time will make the announcements and they will tell us what we can talk to you all outside. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:22:15All I can tell you is the collaboration and the industrialization process between the teams is going very well. Henry RobertsEquity Research Associate at Truist Securities00:22:27Got you. Understood. And then maybe with the B1 cells, can you start maybe a little more to the performance improvement you all expect to see from those versus the B0s? Is that kind of the focus on more reliability or are there some other key metrics we should be looking at? Are you all looking for when B1 start to roll off? Thank you. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:22:51When we announced the B0 cell performance, you got to see how good that cell is. Eight forty four watt hours per liter, extremely good power performance, being able to charge in just over twelve minutes, discharge power at very, very high rates, being able to take it to minus 30 degrees C and wonderful safety performance. So we are quite pleased with that sample's performance. As you mentioned, our work right now is in the industrialization of it and taking it to a higher volume, more automated equipment, COBRA process coming in, making sure that we are well documented in developing a transfer package. The technology package that we keep talking about that consists of a set of equipment, a set of materials, a set of recipes for running that materials through that equipment, making sure that we have the software and metrology that wraps all this together. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:24:01That's where the big focus is in getting into the higher volume B1 production. And those B1 samples, of course, will be going into supporting the demo program in 2026. Operator00:24:22We'll take the next question today from Jed Dorsheimer, William Blair. Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:24:30Hi. You have Mark Suter on for Jed Dorsheimer. Congrats on all the progress made in 2024. I was wondering if you had any thoughts on where the scale up of PowerCo will be located, given the IRA versus the Trump administration puts and takes? Does that influence where the scale up will occur? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:24:53Mark, I should not speak for PowerCo, but Powerco has announced factories in three locations in Germany, in Spain, and in Canada. They have not officially announced anything in The United States. And I would expect that, they'll be thinking about it longer term in light of all these announcements, just like, you and I have been looking at. But I have to be very careful what I announce for PowerCo. Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:25:33Understood. Thanks for the color. That's helpful. Probably prior to that large scale up is your prospective launch customer. Can you give us any color on what level of scale is necessary for that? Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:25:48Are there any technical points along the way you can point us to to check progress on that prospective launch customer? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:25:59Yeah. The B1 samples that we are going to be making in higher volumes here in San Jose go directly into the launch customers' demo program. And those the sales performance themselves is already well proven. As we increase the volume of production here with COBRA, that's what's going on. This is a high profile project, relatively smaller volume so that they can go out and launch this. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:26:32So you are going to hear again from the customer than from us and we are being very careful in how we market this ourselves. It's not ours to say that. Mark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William Blair00:26:47Understood. Thank you very much. Operator00:27:04Your next question comes from the line of Davis Sunderland with Baird. Your line is open. Davis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & Co00:27:11Hey, good afternoon guys. Thank you for the time. Appreciate taking my questions. Just wanted to ask first, could you maybe speak to your discussions or appetite for discussions, probably better way to frame it up, that you might be having with Chinese OEMs specifically, or if the current geopolitical landscape has shifted focus away from that market? And then I have one follow-up. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:27:31We have not come out and talked about who our OEM partners are outside of Volkswagen and Powercoal. Our existing relationship, as we have talked about with six large OEMs, cover a vast swath of the automotive OEM landscape from pure play EV players to high volume producers to geographic diversity. We haven't explicitly come out and talked about any one customer. And again, maybe it looks like it's a theme that I'm repeating myself many times today because we're talking a lot about customers. I cannot be the one that talks about our customers plan till they tell me that they can we can talk about. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:28:19In the case of Volkswagen Powerco, they have released, press releases with our name in it. We have joined team released statements. So it is easier for me to talk about Volkswagen Powerco, but the rest of the six customers, we haven't explicitly called out and told you who they are. Davis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & Co00:28:41Understood. I mean, that makes sense. Don't mean to badger. Maybe just for one quick follow-up, lots of announcements out there, mostly at lab scale and other people trying to develop technology that will rival yours. But have you seen anyone in particular challenging your IP or playing catch up maybe if that's the right way to say it? Thank you. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:29:00I'm glad you asked this question. I mean, I don't get to brag often enough in these calls. We do hear companies do both ways. You can see a lot of announcements in the battery space. People who have undifferentiated technologies shutting down their shop in large scale, smaller players switching their business models to go sell either materials or other things, and some large players making announcements about solid state without giving data. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:29:39We have put out what we consider as the gold standard for measurement and we show the data every time whether it is on how we measure energy density, how we measure power, how do we measure temperature, what is the pressure used, what is the cycling up and cycling down rates, etc. We don't see anyone else reporting consistently data that would match what we have put. This is why I call ours the no compromise solid state battery and QS continues to be the global leader in solid state batteries. Davis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & Co00:30:25Thank you, Subha. Congrats team. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:30:28Thank you. Operator00:30:37Your next question comes from Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Aman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman Sachs00:30:43Hi, Yefimand Bhutto on for Mark Delaney. Thanks for taking the questions. Just to get a better color on the 2026 launch, just to clarify, is that a kind of full launch? Or I think you mentioned something about it being a demo launch and kind of what does it mean to be launched? And then how should we think about that being in terms of like revenue recognition? Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:31:08Kevin, do you want to dig that? Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:31:10Sure. To point you to a couple of comments in the letter and in our spoken word, this is a high visibility, low volume project, bringing our technology into a real world application we see as a major commercialization milestone that, in the licensing agreements with which we are targeting the the typical progression of things, the cash cash flows may occur ahead of revenue from licensing. Those cash flows can take many forms including NRE payments, reimbursement of certain expenditures, and licensing prepays and that licensing revenues would follow from the, successful technology transfer and partner start of production. Aman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman Sachs00:32:00Got it. Thank you for that. And then just to kind of follow-up, understood that PowerCo is helping with some of the industrialization and you're working towards this launch in 2026. So how should we kind of think about the pace of CapEx and OpEx, noting that you had quarter on quarter pretty decent step down in SG and A, but then a somewhat step up in R and D? Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:32:29It's a fantastic question. On the OpEx, you'd note that our entire guidance range this year is below actuals from full year 2024. And on CapEx, I can be even more expansive. The last few years, we've made pretty significant investments into our San Jose facilities that includes the buildings, the equipment set, and with success this year, if we hit our second and third goals, we'll be operating our COBRA process and further, industrialized downstream processes. And we see that equipment set as being quite capable for QSE5 tech transfer. Kevin HettrichCFO at QuantumScape00:33:11After 2025, regarding the funding of capex, outside of subsequent product development needs, we expect any significant capex to be funded by partners as part of a commercialization program. Aman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman Sachs00:33:25Thank you for that call. It really helps. I'll pass it on. Operator00:33:31This concludes the question and answer session. I will turn the call back to Siva for closing remarks. Siva SivaramPresident & CEO at QuantumScape00:33:37Thank you, operator. With that, thank you for listening and we look forward to updating you on further progress in the months to come. Operator00:33:49This concludes today's conference call. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJohn SaagerHead-Investor RelationsSiva SivaramPresident & CEOKevin HettrichCFOAnalystsWinnie DongDirector, Equity Research at Deutsche BankHenry RobertsEquity Research Associate at Truist SecuritiesMark ShooterSr. Associate - Energy & Sustainability Equity Research at William BlairDavis SunderlandEquity Research Associate at Robert W. Baird & CoAman GuptaExecutive Director at Goldman SachsPowered by