Perion Network Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Perion introduced PerionOne, a unified AI-driven advertising platform integrating CTV, digital out-of-home, retail media, social and open-web channels to simplify omnichannel ad execution.
  • Digital out-of-home grew 50% YoY, CTV grew 30% and retail media grew 62% in 2024, each substantially outpacing respective market growth rates and driving strong performance in core segments.
  • Despite a 33% revenue drop to $498.3 M in 2024 due to search and open-web declines, Perion maintained profitability with $50.9 M in adjusted EBITDA (10% margin) and bought back $46.9 M of shares.
  • 2025 outlook anticipates lower revenue of $400–420 M and adjusted EBITDA of $40–42 M, reflecting continued focus on operational efficiencies, with full impact of PerionOne unification expected in 2026.
  • Perion bolstered its leadership with hires of a former Google executive as CRO, a veteran Criteo leader as CPO, and an ex-Samsung Ads tech architect as CTO to accelerate AI-driven growth.
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Operator

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Perion Network fourth quarter and full year twenty twenty four earnings conference call. Today's conference is being recorded, and an archive of the webcast will be posted on the company website. The press release detailing the financial results is available on the company's website at www.perion.com. Before we begin, I'd like to read the following safe harbor statement. Today's discussion includes forward looking statements.

Operator

These statements reflect the company's current views with respect to future events. These forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including those discussed under the heading risk factors and elsewhere in the company's annual report on form 20 f that may cause actual results, performance, or achievements to be materially different and any future results, performance, or achievements anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. The company does not undertake to update any forward looking statements to reflect future events or circumstances. As in prior quarters, the results reported today will be analyzed both on a GAAP and a non GAAP basis. While mentioning EBITDA, we will be referring to adjusted EBITDA.

Operator

We have provided a detailed reconciliation of non GAAP measures to their comparable GAAP measures in our earnings release, which is available on our website and has also been filed on form six k. Hosting the call today are Tal Jacobson, Perion's chief executive officer, and Elad Zuberi, Perion's chief financial officer. I would now like to turn the call over to Tal Jacobson. Please go ahead.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today at Perion's q four twenty twenty four earnings call. Twenty twenty four was a pivotal year for us at Perion. It was a year of laying the foundation for a transformation that is now coming to life. Over the past year, we have been strategically aligning our technologies, operations, and vision, setting the stage for the launch of the Perion one strategy. With PerionOne, we are uniting all of our technologies under one platform and all our business units and brands under one roof.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

While this strategy is expected to attract more customers through our unified platform, it is also transforming our organization to become more efficient than ever before. Under this new strategy, we focus on AI development for both customer facing products and operational efficiency solution. We believe that Pillion one is the perfect platform for a deeply fragmented $700,000,000,000 industry, an industry that is forcing advertisers to navigate a complex maze of platforms, formats, and channels. The focus has long been on where ads run. If it's CTV, open web, digital out of home, or social, rather than what truly matters, reaching the right customers at the right moment with the right message to drive exceptional results.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

This fragmentation leads to inefficiencies, wasted spending, and missed opportunities. At Perion, we believe this complexity shouldn't be the advertiser's problem to solve. That's why we're building Perion one to unify, simplify, and amplify the advertiser's journey, ensuring advertisers can focus on impact and results, not execution challenges. The foundations of PerionOne are based on advanced AI capabilities that infuse personalized messaging for every brand moment. The role of PerionOne is to solve the complexity of omnichannel advertising and provide a unified AI driven advertising infrastructure that deliver precision, efficiency, and measurable results.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

In this pivotal moment in Pellion's history, I'm happy to reveal a first look at our PellionOne platform. This platform will unite all our technologies in one place. It provides our customers with an advanced portal into creative insights and planning of any brand's next great advertising moment. PellionOne will bring together CTV, digital out of home, retail media, social, and open web capabilities under a single AI driven platform. It is a fundamental change in how digital advertising should work.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Instead of siloed solutions, Perion one will provide advertisers with a seamless, intelligent platform that optimizes campaigns across every major channel. With Perion one, brands will benefit from greater economics, enabling every advertising dollar to be optimized for a maximum impact. The platform will offer increased efficiency to eliminate execution friction and streamline processes. Its advanced AI driven performance will automate optimization at scale, and a smarter supply path will enrich DSPs and SSPs with premium inventory. The Perion one platform will be gradually rolled out to our customers in the upcoming months.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

To fully capitalize on our new strategy and accelerate our transformation, we've strengthened our leadership team with some of the best talent in the EdTech industry. I'd like to welcome three exceptional leaders to our management team. Steven Yap, a Google veteran, joined us as our new chief revenue officer to lead our advertising sales worldwide. Kenny Lau, an ex Criteo and ex Pubmedic steps in as our chief product officer. And Mina Naguib, who was part of the leading team that architected the Samsung Ads technologies, takes on the role of our chief technology officer.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Mina will lead all our technologies, including our advanced AI solutions and infrastructures. This exceptional management team of tier one leaders in the EdTech industry is instrumental. We believe it will expand our reach, deepen customer relationships, and unlock new growth opportunities. While preparing for this transformation, we continue to deliver strong performance on all of our three core growth engines, digital out of home and CTV, alongside our retail media as we continue to see adoption of our technologies with retailers. All our growth engines have consistently outpaced the market, and we believe they will continue to be the drivers of our future success.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

In 2024, our digital out of home grew by 50% year over year, far outpacing the 10% year over year market growth reported by eMarketer. This reflects our programmatic innovation and Perion's ability to drive higher performance than the industry. Our CTV solutions grew by 30% year over year, surpassing the 23 year over year market growth. Our investments in advanced targeting and cross device solutions continue to drive this momentum. As you recall, we expanded those capabilities with our new partnership with Experian, which we announced during q four.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Retailers continue to adapt our solutions. Our retail media grew by 62% year over year, more than tripled the industry 20% year over year growth. Each of these areas represent a high growth, high value market. Integrating them into Pillion one gives us a unique competitive advantage, positioning us to accelerate future growth. Today, we're introducing a new way of looking at our results by breaking them down into channels.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

We believe this provides greater transparency into the new Perion one structure. It reflects our evolution into a platform that delivers greater efficiency and value. By aligning our reporting with our strategic focus, we enhance visibility and foster a more meaningful conversation with our investors and customers. Now our CFO, Elad Subeiri, will walk you through our financial results.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

Thank you, Tal, and thank you all for joining us today. Twenty twenty four was a challenging year for Perion. Nevertheless, we ended the year both profitable and with positive operating cash flow. In addition, we met the annual revised guidance that we provided in June 2024 for revenue, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted EBITDA to contribution ex stock margin. The strength of our balance sheet allows us to execute on our capital allocation priorities and growth plans, both organic and non organic.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

As of 12/31/2024, we repurchased a total of 5,200,000.0 shares for a total of $46,900,000. As we enter 2025 under the PerionOne strategy, we are unifying our technologies and brands into a single cohesive ecosystem. As part of this change, we have started streamlining our operations and optimizing costs through headcount reductions during the first quarter of twenty twenty five. This will also allow us to strengthen our ability to attract and serve more customers, run more efficient sales and marketing operations, maximize synergies across our entire organization, and leverage a unified and connected data platform to drive smarter decision making and higher margins. We expect these efficiency measures to continue to have positive impact on our profit margins through 2025 and going into 2026.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

Moving to our financial results. For the full year, revenue amounted to $498,300,000, a 33% decrease year over year. This is mainly related to the decrease in search revenue and the weakness in our open web video and standard ad formats. However, the decline in revenue was partially offset by continued strong performance of our growth engines. Adjusted EBITDA was $50,900,000 resulting in a 10% adjusted EBITDA margin and a 24% ex stock margin.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

GAAP net income for the full year was $12,600,000 while non GAAP net income was $64,000,000 During 2024, we generated cash flow from operating activities of $6,900,000 and adjusted free cash flow of $16,600,000. As of 12/31/2024, net cash, including cash equivalents, short term bank deposit, and marketable securities, were $373,300,000 Turning to our fourth quarter performance. Revenue was $129,600,000 compared with $234,200,000 in the same period last year. Our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $15,500,000 resulting in a 12% adjusted EBITDA margin and a 28% ex stock margin. GAAP net income for the fourth quarter was $4,900,000 while non GAAP net income was $16,100,000 resulting in a non GAAP diluted earning per share of 33¢.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

Our cash flow from operating activities remained positive, generating $4,300,000 Advertising solutions revenue for the fourth quarter was $104,100,000, down 13% year over year, representing 80% of total revenue. This decrease was expected due to the declining open web video and standard ad formats as advertisers are shifting their budgets towards social video and higher end solutions. This decline was partially offset by the continuous momentum from our core growth engines, CTV and digital out of home channels and our retail vertical. Digital out of home increased by 57% year over year in the fourth quarter on a pro form a basis, representing 27% of advertising solutions revenue. While for the full year, digital out of home increased by 50% and represented 21% of advertising solutions revenue. Our CTV business increased by 10% year over year in the fourth quarter, representing 15% of advertising solutions revenue versus 12% last year. For the full year, CTV increased by 30%, representing 13% of advertising solutions versus 8% in 2023. Our retail media business, a fast growing market vertical, posted another strong quarter, primarily boosted by our digital out of home business. In the fourth quarter, retail media revenue grew by 34 year over year to $27,000,000.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

For the full year 2024, retail media revenue delivered an impressive 62% growth in comparison to 2023, reaching $80,600,000 I would like to highlight that all three growth engines outpaced the market growth in 2024. According to a marketer, digital out of home ad spending in The US grew by 10% year over year compared with Perion's fifty percent growth. CTV grew by 23% year over year compared with Perion's thirty percent growth. And retail media grew by 20% year over year compared with Perion's sixty two percent growth. Turning to our search advertising.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

Revenue for the fourth quarter totaled $25,500,000 accounting for 20% of our total revenue. As we previously discussed, we did not renew our contract with Microsoft Bing that ended on 12/31/2024. Yet in 2025, there is a tail period in which we expect to generate revenue. Overall, our search advertising is expected to remain stable, representing about 20% of our total revenue. In the fourth quarter, the contribution excluding traffic acquisition costs margin was 42% compared with 39% in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

On an annual basis, contribution ex stock margin was 43% compared with 42% in 2023. This is primarily due to the changes in our product mix focusing on more profitable solutions. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $15,500,000 or 12% of revenue and 28% of contribution ex stock. This compares to $53,900,000 or 2359% respectively in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three. For the full year, adjusted EBITDA totaled $50,900,000 or 10% of revenue and 24% of contribution ex stock.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

This compares to $169,100,000 or 23 and 55 percent respectively in 2023. During the second half of twenty twenty four, we implemented cost reductions and efficiency measures. This helped us moderate the year over year decrease in adjusted EBITDA that resulted from the business decline in the first half of the year. On a GAAP basis, our fourth quarter net income was $4,900,000 or 11¢ per diluted share versus a 39,400,000.0 in q four of twenty twenty three or 78¢ per diluted share. On a non GAAP basis, net income was $16,100,000 or 33¢ per diluted share versus $52,900,000 in q four of twenty twenty three or $1.04 per diluted share.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

For the full year, GAAP net income was $12,600,000 or 25¢ per diluted share versus $117,400,000 in 2023 or $2.34 per diluted share. Non GAAP net income was $64,000,000 or $1.27 per diluted share versus $167,400,000 or $3.33 per diluted share in 2023. During the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, we generated $4,300,000 in both cash from operations and adjusted free cash flow. On a full year basis, we generated $6,900,000 in cash from operations and $16,600,000 in adjusted free cash flow. This gap in 2024 between adjusted EBITDA and adjusted free cash flow is attributed to the year over year change in the working capital related to our business with Microsoft Bing and the post acquisition investment in Hivestack's working capital.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

For 2025, we expect our cash flow conversion from EBITDA to resemble past performance patterns. We expect to continue our decade long track record of generating positive cash flow from operations and adjusted free cash flow. In the fourth quarter, we continue with our share buyback program and repurchase another 1,600,000.0 shares for a total of $13,400,000 To date, we spent $46,900,000 repurchasing shares against our total authorization of $75,000,000 As of 12/31/2024, we had on our balance sheet $373,300,000 in cash, cash equivalents, short term bank deposits, and marketable securities. Entering fiscal year twenty twenty five and given our strong financial position, we are confident in our ability to execute our capital allocation strategy, balancing between share repurchases, organic investments, and selective acquisitions that complement our growth strategy. Looking ahead towards 2025, we are providing our full year financial guidance, and we are introducing our core key performance indicators.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

These indicators provide a more accurate and helpful way to assess the strength of our business. As a result, going forward, we will begin sharing our revenue breakdown by advertising channels, digital out of home, CTV, web, and search. Twenty twenty five will be a transformative and exciting year for us at Perrier, one in which we are focusing on solution that are more profitable and better aligned with our mission to make digital advertising more effective for our customers and in turn make our business more efficient. For the full year 2025, we expect to generate revenue of 400 to $420,000,000, adjusted EBITDA of 40 to $42,000,000, and adjusted EBITDA to contribution ex stock margin of 22%. To summarize, we ended 2024 on a positive note, and we are excited for what's to come for payer in 2025.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

With that, I will now pass it back to the operator for the q and a session.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question, we ask that you please use the raise hand function at the bottom of your Zoom screen. Or if you have dialed in, please press 9. Our first question comes from Andrew Morak with Raymond James. Andrew, please unmute your line and ask your question.

Andrew Marok
Andrew Marok
Director at Raymond James Financial

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. Appreciate the new disclosure format and wanted to talk quickly about the open web business. So things pretty tough there right now and looking like it might continue into 2025 based on some of the shifts that Gilad talked about. But in your estimation, how much of that is addressable via the Parion one reorg that you're working on?

Andrew Marok
Andrew Marok
Director at Raymond James Financial

And how much is down to just tough conditions in the space overall?

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Thank you for the question, Adam. You're absolutely right. You know, open web as an industry, as a channel, is not a growing part. But we do believe that for us, within PerionOne platform is we're onboarding new advertisers to use our platform for old channels. We do think that We Time, our open web will start to strengthen again.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

So we are optimistic on that, but we're also putting a lot of focus on CTV and iPhone.

Andrew Marok
Andrew Marok
Director at Raymond James Financial

Of course. Yep. The growth areas. Appreciate that. And then really quickly, if you could maybe give us a little sense of the PerionOne reorg's effect on the 2025 outlook.

Andrew Marok
Andrew Marok
Director at Raymond James Financial

I guess, what kind of has to still be done behind the scenes and how much is figured into the guide in terms of incremental costs for any remaining work to be done or potential top line disruption as clients get moved over? Thank you.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

Sure. So thank you for the question. So, first of all, I said, regarding the pairing one strategy, first of all, as part of this change, we already took some measures in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. And, Boyd took some headcount reductions. And, I believe that going into this future, the ability of unified everything together will actually will help us to run much more efficient, sales and marketing operations.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

By having the platform within the agencies, they already have access to all of our offering. And it will be much more efficient in our sales, in our sales pitch. And they will have, already everything in place to be able to increase the budget. And by that, to allow us to be much more efficient in our efforts. In addition to that, we already took into consideration in 2025, the guidance, some of those, some of those initiatives inside, mostly around the operation efficiency.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

And of course, the ability to leverage our leverage, all of the data and to enjoy from improved margins into the 2025. Having said that, we do expect that the full impact of this change will actually be reflected in 2026. But some of this is already, of course, reflected in 2025, mostly around second half of the year.

Operator

Next question comes from Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer. Please unmute your line and ask your question.

Jason Helfstein
Managing Director - Head of Internet Research at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Okay. Can you hear me now?

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Yes.

Jason Helfstein
Managing Director - Head of Internet Research at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Guys? Okay. Great. Hey. So two questions, like two parter on, carry on one.

Jason Helfstein
Managing Director - Head of Internet Research at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

So one, I guess it's when you think about making a shift, how does it allow you once you're done to kind of, A, talk about how you're planning to use automation to actually improve the gross margins of kind of the dollars that will move through period one. And then I guess it's like you just talked about in your last answer, you think there's going to be an efficiency on the sales and marketing. So is it you think both there's a long term benefit to gross margin on efficiency of executing the campaign using automation? On top of that, it improves the go to market because the tools will be with your customers and so you won't have to spend as much on sales and marketing? And then maybe tie that back to how much of the slowdown in Open Web was you proactively slowing down because the cost of running these campaigns wasn't productive as opposed to the market caused the slowdown in that spend?

Jason Helfstein
Managing Director - Head of Internet Research at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Thank you. Yeah. So kind of three questions there. Thank you.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Absolutely. So let's start with automation. So we're absolutely focusing on a lot of automation, everything AI driven. One, automation to, reduce the level of manual work that we do today. So as we scale, we do see better efficiency.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

So that's a core factor of this reorganization. How do we get more work with less manual work? This, and it goes hand in hand with our sales and marketing. So currently, when we're getting, you know, new campaigns, it's a lot of manual work, and we're shifting that towards automation. This is an ongoing work.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

We've started that six or seven months ago and, we're just in the middle of the process, but we do expect to become more and more efficient. As to marketing, Perion had five different brands up until now. Now we only have one. So the marketing dollars are now focused on only one brand, which should give us, for the same money, should give us five times more efficiency on our marketing dollars towards our own brand. As for the web, you know, so you've asked and I think you're absolutely right.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

You know, we've when we looked at this new organization, we realized a lot of things we have are still have been in existence since 1999, and a lot of things are still kind of legacy with old technology. So some of the things we we needed to figure out, are we going to continue to do those with old technology that are not it's not really relevant or the future or rebuild that or just, let it go? And we've decided to on some things that are, with lower margins and that needed refactoring to the technology to just let them go. And this is why you actually see a lowered guidance than what we previously thought of given because we wanted to focus on the high growth parts, and we didn't want to reinvest in old technology that wasn't the future. And we only want to focus on high margin products.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

And this is why, you know, everything is very aligned within the pillar one platform, the new super talented executives that we brought on board and even the guidance which is super focused on the strategic parts and the high margin parts. I hope that answered the question.

Jason Helfstein
Managing Director - Head of Internet Research at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.

Yes. That's good color. Thank you.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Eric Martinuzzi from Lake Street. Please unmute your line and ask your question.

Eric Martinuzzi
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital

Yes. The CTV growth for the year was up 30%, but it did slow to a 10% growth rate in Q4. Just wondering what sort of growth rate you baked in for 2025?

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

So thank you, Eric. So regarding the CTD, you are correct to say, CTD Q4 was, 10. But, we actually saw in Q4 some, budget shifts also to the out of home under the anywhere TV. So some of those dollars in Q4 were actually shifted to out of home. So, and I think that as you mentioned, the overall yearly performance of our CTV is actually outperformed the market.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

And if we're looking at 2025, we believe that also in 2025, we'll be, we'll be beating at least beating the market growth for, positivity.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

On an annual basis? Yes.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

Okay. Yes. On an annual basis, we do expect to continue to meet, to beat the market on CTV.

Eric Martinuzzi
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital

Okay. And then your, I missed it, but you commented on the translation of adjusted EBITDA for so at the midpoint, we've got $41,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA. What does that translate into for free cash flow for the year?

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

That's an excellent question. So even though our EBITDA this year is lower than 2024, On our cash flow, we do expect it to be much higher than 2024. And if you can give me more color. Yes.

Elad Tzubery
Elad Tzubery
Chief Financial Officer at Perion Network

2024, we saw one time gap that happens mostly as a result of the year over year change in the working capital that related to our search activity. And of course, building the working capital for High Stake following the acquisition. In 2025, we are expected, that our cash flow conversion from the EBITDA will be, will be back to the normal, rates as we used to see, before 2024. Meaning that the adjusted free cash flow and the EBITDA, would be very close to each other.

Eric Martinuzzi
Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital

Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Thank you. So cash flow wise, should be better here than 2024.

Operator

Our next question comes from Laura Martin with Needham and Co. Please unmute your line and ask your question.

Laura Martin
Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company

Hey there, Tal. Love the new disclosures. Agree with Andrew on that. So I wanted to start with retail media vertical. So up 34%.

Laura Martin
Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company

When I think of retail media towel, I think of CTV only. Can you confirm what the mix of the retail media vertical is? And then secondly, a lot of people, your competitors are saying that opens up new total addressable markets because you can attract SMBs to retail media. Can you talk about whether you're getting new clients in retail media? And then third, specifically related to retail media, are there other verticals like this one that you've, that that, we should be thinking about, a lot that are becoming as large as retail media vertical, which you break out now.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Yeah, absolutely. It's great to hear from you. And thanks for the question. So Thanks.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

You know, retail media is really our way of measuring how much, retailers are adopting our technology. And you're absolutely right. CTV was the engine that started it all with us. It turns out a lot of our retailers, we were able to shift them into more and more solutions. Among them, you know, wave, which is our audio, still small, but, it's it's getting there and absolutely out of home.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

So our retail media play plays a lot into physical stores. So I don't know if you guys know this, but, physical stores are still representing roughly, I think, 85% of of acquisitions versus online, at least for grocery. So our platform and our activity is gonna be focusing a lot on how do we drive people back to grocery stores, physical grocery stores, through all our solutions. And that might be, you know, out of home, CTV, web, audio, the entire thing. And you're absolutely right.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

SMBs are absolutely on the table. Now that we have a platform, you know, we're working on creating that, as a second phase to also SMBs. We're gonna start with, since we have Stephen Yap, which comes with twenty five years of experience with big agencies, retailers, and tier one brands, we're gonna start with that. But SMBs are definitely on our roadmap, maybe not for 2025, but for going forward, absolutely, this is something on our radar. Does that answer your question?

Laura Martin
Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company

It's fantastic. My other question is on the generative AR large language model. Sounds like you're integrating your your not only automating, but also using the large language models. You used to be using OpenAI because of your close relationship with Microsoft. But given the given the breakup, given the divorce, my question is, are you using different large language models as the backbone for ParionOne?

Laura Martin
Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company

Are you using multiple ones? Are you still using the OpenAI backbone large language model? Can you talk about what's happening on the back end of, Parion one in the in your generative usage?

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that's an excellent question. So, you know, even though Microsoft we're we're in good terms, so no no beef there, and we didn't, ditch, OpenAI, but we do experiment more and more with, the Google capabilities.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

And now our our lab are actually looking at the, DeepSeq algorithms just to see their capabilities. Obviously, they're way cheaper, so a lot more efficient. But, it's a bit of early days for that, new algorithm. But yeah, we're working with, we're testing all the infrastructures out there to make sure that we have the right one, with the right structuring, right cost structuring. Obviously, those things are expensive.

Laura Martin
Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company

Okay. And just my understanding is, let's say you move to DeepSeq, which is much less expensive. Is it would you stay on more than one or once you build on DeepSeq, does are you is it are the barriers to exit pretty high? Do you have to sort of stay with whichever one you build your capabilities on?

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

No. So everything we do stays on, you know, we we might take so DeepSeek is an open source, so we might take bits and pieces of that, but anything stays on our environment. Since it's an open source, it stays on our environment. Maybe we won't use their different versions or their updates, but, we won't build anything that has a high cost of switching.

Laura Martin
Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company

Okay. That's super helpful. Okay. Great. Thanks very much, and love the new disclosure.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Thank you.

Operator

Our last question comes from Jeff Martin with Roth Capital. Please unmute your line and ask your question.

Jeff Martin
Director of Research & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Thanks. Good evening, guys. Wanted to drill down a little more on OpenWeb. It's still 46% of advertising solutions revenue in the fourth quarter. With you expecting that to kind of level off and and and grow at some point, what what sort of things internally are you doing to facilitate that inflection?

Jeff Martin
Director of Research & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

And could you pinpoint when in 2025 you anticipate that inflection?

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

So on the web part, on the open web channel, you know, we don't you don't see, we don't anticipate a big change in 2025. I think the major wins that we're aiming for is out of home and CTV, and that's but also, you know, if we can increase web, then we would absolutely love that. But the major focus is on more advanced solutions. Open web is pretty crowded. So we're focusing on more advanced solutions for CTV, for out of phone, and all across the board for retail media.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

So that's really the focus. But again, since we're an agnostic platform, whatever the client wants, that's what we're going to deliver. We're not pushing for a specific channel, but that's how we modeled 2025.

Jeff Martin
Director of Research & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Great. And then one more if I could on on the capital allocation as we, you know, head into further into 2025 and thinking beyond that at the same time. How are you thinking about your acquisition strategy relative to the company's focus on ParionOne, getting that in place, starting to see the benefit from that? Maybe help us understand how you're thinking about potential acquisitions relative to the ParionOne strategy.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Yeah. Absolutely. That's a good question. So, you know, within ParionOne, we obviously we took a lot of effort to consolidate everything, all the business unit, all the brands and all the technologies. We do not intend to break that again.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

So whatever we're going to buy, it has to be it has to fit within this platform as additional features to those customers. Right? So it's built in as an extremely synergetic solution. We will never again buy companies that are gonna be stand alone. So that's how we're thinking about it.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

But to be honest, we're now mainly focusing on our organic growth, making sure this transition works well. We just added three amazing executives to make sure that this transition goes well, the unification transition. So we have a lot of work on our plate, but we still look at some great companies. And as I said, whenever we're going to find something, it has to be part of this one platform. We're not going to deviate from that.

Jeff Martin
Director of Research & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC

Thank you.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the Q and A session. I will now hand it back to Tal Jacobson and Elad Zubri for closing remarks.

Tal Jacobson
Tal Jacobson
Chief Executive Officer at Perion Network

Thank you for joining us today. And we're excited about the future and hope to see you again next time. Thank you. Thank you.

Executives
    • Tal Jacobson
      Tal Jacobson
      Chief Executive Officer
    • Elad Tzubery
      Elad Tzubery
      Chief Financial Officer
Analysts
    • Andrew Marok
      Director at Raymond James Financial
    • Jason Helfstein
      Managing Director - Head of Internet Research at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.
    • Eric Martinuzzi
      Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital
    • Laura Martin
      Managing Director, Senior Internet & Media Analyst at Needham & Company
    • Jeff Martin
      Director of Research & Senior Research Analyst at Roth Capital Partners, LLC
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