RTX Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the RTX First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. My name is Latif, and I will be your operator for today. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. On the call today are Chris Calio, President and Chief Executive Officer Neil Mitchell, Chief Financial Officer and Nathan Ware, Vice President of Investor Relations. This call is being webcast live on the Internet, and there is a presentation available for download from RTX website at www.rtx.com.

Operator

Please note, except where otherwise noted, the company will speak to results from continuing operations, excluding acquisition accounting adjustments and net nonrecurring and or significant items often referred to by management as other significant items. The company also reminds listeners that the earnings and cash flow expectations and any other forward looking statements provided in this call are subject to risks and uncertainties. RTX SEC filings, including its forms eight ks, 10 Q, and 10 ks, provide details on important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated in the forward looking statements. Once the call becomes open for questions, we ask that you limit your first round to one question per caller to give everyone the opportunity to participate. To ask a question, you will need to press 1 1 on your telephone.

Operator

You may ask further questions by reinserting yourself into the queue as time permits. With that, I will turn the call over to Mr. Talia.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. We're clearly in the middle of a highly dynamic operating environment right now, and we'll, of course, talk about that today. But first, I want to highlight the strong financial and operational performance we delivered in the first quarter. Starting with the top line, we generated 8% organic sales growth. We also drove 120 basis points of segment margin expansion, which included strong contributions from each business segment.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

And we generated strong free cash flow, an improvement of more than $900,000,000 versus the prior year. On an organic basis, commercial aftermarket sales were up 21%, commercial OE sales were up 3% on a difficult prior year compare, and defense sales were up 4%. Underlying these results is our continued focus on execution and the deployment of our core operating system. Starting with the GTF program, PW1100 MRO output was up 35% year over year and 14% sequentially, and we remain on track for over a 30% improvement for the full year. This output is a key enabler for reducing AOGs, which we continue to expect to trend down in the back half of the year.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Isothermal forging output also continued to be strong in the quarter after record output last year, up over 10% versus prior year. And our outlook for the fleet management plans remains consistent with our prior comments. Our focus on supply chain also continues to yield results. At Collins, overdue line items across all suppliers were down over 20% versus the prior year. And at Raytheon, material receipts were up again, marking eight consecutive quarters of year over year growth.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Also in the quarter, we made significant progress on two future franchises in our innovation pipeline. Pratt received FAA certification for the GTF Advantage, an important milestone for the program. The Advantage incorporates all of the learnings from the first ten years of the GTF engine in service. We expect it to provide up to two times the time on wing compared to the current engine, and it will enter service with full life LLPs. We remain on track for initial deliveries to Airbus later this year.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

We're also certifying an upgrade package to incorporate roughly 90% to 95% of GTF advantage durability improvements into the existing fleet during MRO visits. We're targeting next year to have this package available for customers. And at Raytheon, we have completed the prototyping and development phase of the lower tier Air and Missile Defense Sensor, or LTAMDS program. LTAMS brings advanced three sixty degree performance to the market and more than twice the tracking range compared to the existing Patriot radar system, enhancing protection against complex threat scenarios, including large quantities of unmanned aircraft LTAMDS can be integrated with battle tested industry leading capabilities of Patriot, which is the backbone of air and missile defense for 19 partner countries around the world.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

LSAMS will now transition into the production and deployment phase with continued deliveries to The U. S. This year and next, followed by deliveries to European customers. So overall, we've made good progress in the quarter on multiple fronts and we're pleased with our performance. Okay, let me turn to the operating environment and our current thinking on tariffs, which we have outlined in terms of potential direct impacts on Slide four.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Generally speaking, the aerospace and defense sector has operated in a duty free environment, and that has been instrumental to the industry maintaining one of the largest trade surpluses across American manufacturing industries for decades. Our industrial base is largely located in The U. S, including about 70% of our employees and a majority of our total labor manufacturing hours. And on the supply chain side, about 65% of our product spend is with U. S.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Suppliers. We also continue to invest in our U. S. Industrial base. Over the last five years, we've invested nearly $10,000,000,000 to enhance our domestic manufacturing footprint and capabilities.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

And this year, we're planning another $2,000,000,000 of investment to further increase our U. S. Capacity. For example, in the first quarter, Raytheon completed a $60,000,000 expansion project in Tucson, Arizona, which will significantly increase capacity to support growing effector demand. And this year, Pratt has kicked off a two eighty five million dollars investment to expand our foundry in Asheville, North Carolina.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

This is part of our broader turbine airflow production strategy to support growing demand and to maintain a competitive cost structure. Combined, this industrial base and significant investment supports our position as a net exporter of goods out of The U. S, with exports exceeding imports by over $12,000,000,000 last year. But like many companies in the industry, our supply chain and customer base are global, and we import raw materials, parts, and modules from around the world. In light of this, we would be impacted if the current environment were to stay in place because not all regulatory and operational mitigations would address our tariff exposure.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

But the situation remains fluid, and it's difficult to assess the impact of multiple variables, from a change in the duration and size of the current tariffs, to countermeasures taken by other countries to the potential secondary effects of customer reactions and supply chain and operational disruptions. As a result, we have not included the potential tariff impacts in our outlook for the year at this time. That said, we believe it is prudent and helpful to at least share some estimates of the direct impact of the current tariffs on our outlook, assuming they were to stay in effect throughout the year. Now these estimates don't include secondary tariff related impacts, such as changes to customer demand. So let me turn it over to Neil to take you through our assessment of the impacts.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Neil?

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Okay, thanks Chris. Let me take you through the various categories of incremental direct tariff exposure and the level of pretax operating profit impacts, net of available mitigations, we have currently assessed for each category. Starting with Canada and Mexico, assuming the USMCA agreement continues, we estimate there would be a cost impact of around $250,000,000 assuming current tariff rates remain in place for the rest of the year. With respect to China, at current U.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

S. And China tariff rates, we estimate there would also be a cost impact of around $250,000,000 again, assuming the tariffs remain in place through year end. Keep in mind, our business in China primarily serves local customers, and China accounts for only about 2% of our global imports. As it relates to the rest of the world, we estimate there would be a cost impact of around $300,000,000 at the 10% tariff rate currently in place. And finally, on steel and aluminum, we estimate the cost will be around $50,000,000 for the year.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

For all of these scenarios, we would expect to see most of the impact in the back half of the year as inventory is liquidated. And from a cash perspective, we assume there would be a bit larger drag due to the timing of inventory consumption and duty drawback recovery, and this impact would be evenly spread over the rest of the year. Going forward, we expect the landscape to continue to evolve, and we'll update our assessment accordingly.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Now, let me turn it back over to Chris.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

As Neil said, we're closely tracking the changes in the global trade environment. While some of the exemptions we have had in the past will continue to apply, such as the military duty free exemption for US government and foreign military sale contracts, we are also working to implement and capture additional mitigations. These include regulatory mechanisms such as temporary imports under bond, duty drawbacks, free trade zones, contractual and pricing actions, and implementing operational changes such as leveraging different suppliers and assembly sites. Despite these near term uncertainties, I want to remind everyone that our company remains exceptionally well positioned in all of our key end markets given the strength of our product portfolio, which is reflected in our backlog.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

We exited the quarter with a backlog of $217,000,000,000 which was up 8% year over year and includes $125,000,000,000 of commercial orders and $92,000,000,000 of defense awards. On the commercial side, we remain cautiously optimistic that aircraft utilization will remain strong, supporting continued aftermarket demand. But of course, we will closely monitor consumer sentiment as we approach the busy summer travel season. On the OE front, we expect production of new aircraft to remain strong given the backlog levels at our OEM customers. On the defense side, we're encouraged that the continuing resolution passed with funding for key priorities, including next generation adaptive propulsion, standard missile effectors, LTAMDS radars, and our Coyote counter UAS system.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

There's also growing commitment to increase defense budgets globally. Of note, the European Union has pushed for an additional $850,000,000,000 in defense spending over the next four years, focused on munitions and integrated air and missile defense products, which are fully aligned to our core capabilities, such as Patriot, NASAMs, Coyote, and F-thirty five. These are all battle proven and tested systems that our partners and allies rely on each and every day for national security. Additionally, we have strong and longstanding international co production and co sustainment agreements with European companies, including MBDA and Kongsberg, that position us well to help meet the increased demand across the region. Before I hand it back over to Neil, let me reiterate that we are very pleased with the performance in the first quarter and the progress we are making on our three strategic priorities: executing on our commitments, innovating for future growth and leveraging our breadth and scale.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

And while the industry's operating environment is dynamic, our team is experienced and will remain focused on execution and the things in our control. Okay. With that, I'll turn it back over to Neil to take you through the first quarter results.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Neil?

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Thanks, Chris. I'm on Slide five. As Chris said, operationally, we're off to a strong start to the year. In the first quarter, adjusted sales of $20,300,000,000 were up 5% and up 8% organically, led by strength in commercial aftermarket.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Segment operating profit of $2,500,000,000 was up 18% as drop through on higher volume, the benefit of cost reduction activities, and improved defense mix drove 120 basis points of segment margin expansion, with strong performance at all three segments and highlighting the continued momentum on our cost transformation activities across the company. We've now seen four consecutive quarters of year over year consolidated segment margin expansion. Adjusted earnings per share of $1.47 was up 10% from the prior year, driven by segment operating profit growth, which was partially offset by an expected higher effective tax rate and a higher share count. On a GAAP basis, EPS from continuing operations was 1.14 and included $0.27 of acquisition accounting adjustments and $06 of restructuring and other items. And free cash flow was $792,000,000 in the quarter, which included approximately $200,000,000 for powder metal related compensation.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

On the capital deployment front, we returned $890,000,000 of capital to shareowners during the quarter, primarily through dividends. And on the sale of the actuation business at Collins, we continue to make good progress on key milestones and are working through the remaining items required to close. With that, let me hand it over to Nathan to take you through the segment results for the first quarter. Nathan?

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

Thanks, Neil. Starting with Collins on Slide six. Sales were $7,200,000,000 in the quarter, up 8% on an adjusted basis and 9% organically, driven by strength in commercial aftermarket and defense. Adjusting for divestitures, by channel, commercial aftermarket sales were up 13%, driven by a 15% increase in parts and repair, an 18% increase in mods and upgrades, and a 1% increase in provisioning. Defense sales were up 10%, primarily due to higher volume across multiple programs and platforms, including multiple C4I programs, the Survivable Airborne Operations Center program, and F-thirty five.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

And commercial OE sales were up 2% versus the prior year as higher A220, regional, and seven eighty seven volume was partially offset by lower seven thirty seven MAX volume. Adjusted operating profit of $1,200,000,000 was up $179,000,000 versus the prior year, driven by drop through on higher commercial aftermarket and defense volume. The resulting margins at Collins expanded 130 basis points in the quarter versus prior year. Turning to Collins' full year outlook. Excluding the potential impact of the tariffs that Neil discussed, we continue to expect sales to grow low single digits on an adjusted basis and mid single digits organically, with operating profit growth between $500,000,000 and $600,000,000 versus 2024.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

Shifting to Pratt and Whitney on slide seven. Sales of $7,400,000,000 were up 14% on both an adjusted and organic basis, with sales growth across all three channels. Commercial aftermarket sales were up 28% in the quarter, driven by higher volume and favorable mix across both large commercial engines and Pratt Canada. In military engines, sales were up 4%, driven by increased engine deliveries on the tanker program and higher volume on the F135 engine core upgrade program. Commercial OE sales were up 3% in the quarter, primarily driven by increased deliveries.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

As a reminder, commercial OE sales were up 64% in Q1 of twenty twenty four. Adjusted operating profit of $590,000,000 was up $160,000,000 versus the prior year, as increased deliveries in large commercial engines was more than offset by drop through on higher commercial aftermarket volume and favorable commercial aftermarket mix. Lower R and D expense more than offset higher SG and A expense. All of this resulted in margin expansion of 130 basis points in the quarter versus prior year. Turning to Pratt's full year outlook.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

Excluding the potential impact of tariffs, we continue to expect sales to grow high single digits on an adjusted and organic basis, with operating profit growth between $325,000,000 and $400,000,000 versus 2024. Now turning to Raytheon on slide eight. Sales of $6,300,000,000 in the quarter were down 5% on an adjusted basis as a result of the cybersecurity divestiture completed at the end of the first quarter of last year. As expected, on an organic basis, sales were up two percent, driven by higher volume on land and air defense systems, including International Patriot and LTAMDS, which was partially offset by lower development program volume within Air and Space Defense Systems. Adjusted operating profit of $678,000,000 was up $48,000,000 versus the prior year, driven primarily by favorable mix and $15,000,000 of improved net productivity.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

This was partially offset by the absence of the cybersecurity business. The resulting margins at Raytheon expanded 120 basis points in the quarter versus the prior year. Bookings in the quarter were 4,400,000,000 resulting in a book to bill of 0.7. And on a rolling twelve month basis, Raytheon's book to bill is 1.35. Key awards in the quarter included over $750,000,000 for Netherlands air and missile defense capabilities, about $650,000,000 of classified awards, and about $250,000,000 of evolved Sea Sparrow missile orders for Japan.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

Turning to Raytheon's full year outlook. Excluding the potential impact of tariffs, we continue to expect sales to grow low single digits on an adjusted basis and mid single digits organically, with operating profit growth between 150,000,000 and $225,000,000 versus 2024. With that, I'll hand it back over to Chris for some closing remarks.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Okay. Thanks, Nathan. I'm on slide nine. Before we open up to questions, I want to emphasize that RTX is built to perform in any environment. The fundamentals of our business remain intact, and our continued focus on execution has delivered a strong start to the year.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

With industry leading products on the highest growth platforms in commercial aerospace and defense, and our commitment to innovation over the long term continues to pay off, with next generation products such as the GTF Advantage and LTAMDS demonstrating our leadership and future growth opportunities. The long term structural demand for our products and technologies all remain in place today. Additionally, the need for our defense solutions that provide critical security to The U. S. And our allies has never been stronger.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

And so I'm confident that these trends will drive significant growth for us over the coming years. With that, let's open it up for questions.

Operator

In the interest of time and to allow for broader participation, you are asked to limit yourself to one question. To ask a question, you will need to press 11 on your telephone. The first question comes from Peter Arment of Baird. Please go ahead, Peter.

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, Chris and Neil. Nice results. Hey, Chris. Thanks for the details on tariffs.

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

It's very helpful. Obviously, things are very dynamic. So I guess I'll ask a question on related to kind of the current defense environment. Are you seeing the rearm Europe effort as a big opportunity for Raytheon? Or does it change any of the timing of awards that you were looking at?

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

And then I guess just overall, do you expect still the Raytheon business to have a book to bill above one this year? Thanks.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yeah, thanks, Peter. I would say that the focus of the EU on ramping up presents an opportunity for Raytheon clearly. I mean, if you just think of the countries there, Poland is up close to 5%, the UK has talked about taking spending up, Germany obviously. There was obviously the EU announcement for support for the $850,000,000,000 of additional defense spending over the next four to five years. And I think, again, I said upfront, clear opportunity for Raytheon given its core competency in integrated air and missile defense systems.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

These are proven battle tested products, think Patriot, Gentee, Naysams, Coyote. And we've got a very strong European installed base. We've got eight Patriot users, and we've got strong co production and co sustainment relationships, as I said in my remarks. We've got nine suppliers in Poland alone on Patriot, MBDA partnership on the GemT ramp up. So again, strong demand in the region and strong partnerships overall.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

I will tell you, overall on Raytheon's demand signal, that hasn't changed. I think there are some timing issues that will recover in the year, which we expected, but the global demand remains strong. We expect a book to bill of one point zero or more.

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Appreciate the color. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Our next question comes from Robert Stallard of Vertical Research. Please go ahead, Robert.

Robert Stallard
Partner at Vertical Research Partners

Thanks so much. Good morning.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Good morning.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Good morning, Rob.

Robert Stallard
Partner at Vertical Research Partners

Chris and Neil, obviously, a very fluid situation with the whole trade war thing. But in terms of the $850,000,000 you've laid out here, is that a gross or a net number after you've applied these mitigations? And similar to that, your peers earlier this morning said that they were essentially going to pass on cost as a surcharge to customers. What sort of ability do you have that, particularly on the commercial aerospace side of things?

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yes. Thanks, Rob. Yes, the $850,000,000 is inclusive of mitigations, Rob. Those mitigations, regulatory, like we talked about, things like duty drawback, contractual, again, that's pricing and other mechanisms, and I'll talk about that in a second. And then operational, where are there things where we can optimize the flow of material and work to, again, get the best mitigation we can from the tariff regime.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

On pricing, look, Rob, we've been operating in a highly inflationary environment over the last several years. And so I think we've gotten pretty proficient at knowing where and how to pass along higher costs through pricing. Again, situation is fluid. There are a number of variables that are out there. And so we came into the year with a number of levers we would potentially pull if we saw things change in the marketplace.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

We're going to let things sort of play out. And then to the extent that we see some softening or other things, then we're going to go and execute on that playbook. But again, we know how to push pricing.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

I think you just got

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

to be balanced about it, given where we are with our customers.

Robert Stallard
Partner at Vertical Research Partners

Great. Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Myles Walton of Wolfe Research. Please go ahead, Myles.

Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC

Thanks. Chris, you mentioned that the tariff side didn't assume changes in customer buying behavior, operational disruption. Could you maybe talk about those as elements of watch items, in particular, the China strategy as it relates to aircraft and aircraft parts? What your assumptions are there in terms of what they may or may not do? And then also relative to supply chain disruptions, where are you most focused to ensure that these tariff issues don't create supply chain disruptions?

Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC

Thanks.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yes. Thanks, Myles. Look, I'll take the supply chain piece first. If you just think of the first quarter, we saw, again, some steady improvements continuing in our supply base. You heard me talk about structural castings at Pratt up 16% year over year.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Heard me talk about Raytheon's material growth eight straight quarters Collins bringing down overdue line items. Rocket Motors, again, one of our key suppliers saw output up substantially in Q1 year over year. So again, saw some continuing stability and improvement in the supply chain as we exited Q1. And so obviously, we want to stay super tight with our supply base, making sure that we're all working together on tariff mitigations and the movement of work and making sure that we don't see those disruptions. I mean, keep in mind, the industry has been used to a duty free environment.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

So all of us have had to come up with different sort of processes and protocols to avail ourselves of these mitigations that we've talked about. And so again, we want to stay locked tight with our supply base to make sure we know how to do this and we keep parts flowing. We've seen in the past what happens when you kind of are herky jerky with your supply chain. We saw that in COVID. It takes a while to recover.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

We want to continue that moving forward. On China, I mean, look, it's obviously an important market for commercial aerospace, both in terms of RPK growth, fleet growth. I would say that Western companies are pretty integral to the growth in China as well. So I don't want to get out ahead of ourselves here to see how this plays out. I think we've just got to kind of sit back and see where it stands.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

I I mean, I'll just point back to what I said before. The US A and D industry has a large trade surplus. It is a great example of US competitiveness, advanced manufacturing, and technology leadership. And then ultimately, we hope that's recognized. On the supply chain front out of China, again, we've been on a path to develop multiple sources globally for a while now.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

A lot of that was hastened, frankly, out of COVID. And so we're going to continue to accelerate those efforts.

Myles Walton
Managing Director at Wolfe Research LLC

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ronald Epstein of Bank of America. Your question please, Ronald.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
MD - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yeah. Hey. Good morning, guys.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Good morning, Ron.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
MD - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

So, yeah, just recently, as you all know, we had the decision on the NGAD manned aircraft. Do you have any idea on NGAP when that that could be? Because I would imagine that's gonna be one of the XA engines from either you guys or your competitor. Do have any color on that?

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Well, I guess what I would say here, Ron, is we got an award in Q1 for about $550,000,000 to continue to progress on NGAP, and we're actually very pleased with what we're seeing on the testing side, and we're getting some great feedback from that and from the customer. And again, I think Pratt has a demonstrated record of providing leading fighter propulsion technologies at scale. And it's making significant strides on technologies that are going to improve range and stealth. So again, we're excited that NGAD is moving forward and that hopefully what we're doing on NGAD will yield some benefit. Again, we're pleased with how that program's moving and the funding that underpins it.

Ronald Epstein
Ronald Epstein
MD - Aerospace & Defense at Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Scott Dischel of Deutsche Bank. Your question please, Scott.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

Hey, good morning. Chris, have you seen any operational impacts of the SPS fire at either Collins or Pratt? And then for RTX, is most of that lost fastener capacity being made up by SPS itself on existing contracts? Or are you needing to get that demand filled by alternative suppliers? Thank you.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yes. Hey, Scott. Our team, separate and apart from tariffs and all the analysis there, was working really hard on understanding the impacts from that fire, working closely with not only SPS but others where we could potentially pick up the slack there. I'll tell you that as we continue to move forward here, work through with some alternate suppliers, work through with SPS, we're feeling more optimistic in our ability to avoid any notable impacts given the fire.

Scott Deuschle
Scott Deuschle
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Deutsche Bank

Thank you.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Sheila.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Good morning, Chris and Neil.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Sheila, wanted

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

go back to tariffs, and I appreciate you guys have a pretty tough job in the trade surplus that Aerospace has. So, Neil, maybe in your comments, you mentioned the $850,000,000 I just want to clarify that's a net impact. How do we think about that across the rest of the Q2 to Q4 and across the segments? Is there any timing mismatch where it hits Collins first and Pratt in 'twenty '6? Any detail you could provide.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Sure. Thanks, Sheila. Yes, obviously a lot of estimates involved in kind of assessing the impact here, but just to be clear, the $8.50 on the page is an approximation. It is net of mitigations. As Chris talked about, there are a variety of mitigations available to us.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

And frankly, many of them are new in terms of our application of them because we lived in an environment where most of goods were coming across the border without a duty. And so we'll continue to mature our mitigation strategies and in part the size of the number reflects the time that it takes to mature that. So if you just step back though, let me break that down just a tad for you. And again, this assumes the rates that are out there today remain in effect for the rest of the year. Think about that as about a nine month period.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

I'd say the Raytheon impact is very minimal. Think about that as like a $0 per share kind of a number. The rest of it, the residual impact is split pretty evenly between Collins and Pratt, so a little over $400,000,000 each. As I think about the timing of that, if this were to play out in effect as it is today, think about that fairly back half loaded on the earnings side because some of this will end up in inventory and then turn through the P and L as the inventory is sold. And then I guess the other comment I would make, I made a comment that the cash flow impact would be a bit larger and that's because of the timing lag on getting the duty drawback cash back to us.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

So think about that as about 15% to 20% above the rough estimate that we provided today. So I think though as I really step back, I think there's a lot of variability yet to come here. And so what we wanted to do today was just provide a framework and break it down by bucket of applicable tariffs and countries so that as things evolve, it will be easier for you and for us to model those changes. And of course, when that firms up, we'll take that into account and bake it into our outlook.

Sheila Kahyaoglu
Sheila Kahyaoglu
Aerospace & Defense and Airlines Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Great. Thank you.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Seth Seifman of JPMorgan. Your line is open, Seth.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Executive Director at JP Morgan

Thanks very much, and good morning.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Good morning, Seth.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Executive Director at JP Morgan

Just wanted

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Executive Director at JP Morgan

to ask about it. Apologies if you addressed this,

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Executive Director at JP Morgan

but in the you mentioned not assuming changes in

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Executive Director at JP Morgan

customer behavior, but just kind of the latest indications you're getting in order activity and kind of the shorter cycle areas of columns aftermarket and what kind of might be most exposed if we were to see a significant slowdown in air traffic for the rest of the year?

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Thanks, Seth. That's a good question. Let me start and I'll hand it off to Chris if he has anything to add. I would anchor ourselves first and foremost back to the first quarter. It was a good solid first quarter.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

I know that things have changed as we exited the quarter, but our order activity was strong. Our aftermarket was really strong. And as we looked at the first few weeks here in April, we've seen no major changes in the behaviors of our customers. Now that's a relatively short period of time, obviously, given the dynamics in the environment. But as we look ahead, I think, and go around the business, I'll start with the OE side, the demand there remains very strong.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Obviously, it's a constrained environment. There's a lot of demand for new aircraft, and we expect that to largely continue. If you stick with Pratt and Whitney for a minute and you think about the aftermarket there, clearly tremendous demand for GTF aftermarket. We saw strong output, as Chris alluded to in his opening remarks, in the first quarter and expect us to be on track to continue to deliver growth there throughout the rest of the year. And on the V2500 side, I talked about 800 shop visit outlook for the full year and we were right in line with about a quarter of that in the first quarter.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

So and I'd say the same on the PW2000s and 4000s, our legacy engines. So the indicators there are pretty consistent. I think we've got a good bottoms up view of the customer demand profile and we've factored in some of the things you're hearing about from our customers. On the Collins side, I would say the same applies on the OE outlook. And as you think about the aftermarket, really strong first quarter.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

The compares get a little bit more difficult. But again, as we looked at April so far, those orders remain intact. Now there's a reason we have a range on our outlooks. And I think as we sit here today, I think our ranges operationally could absorb some of the impact if there is softening in the later part of the year. We're coming on a really important part of the travel season.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

And as those aircraft fly, they require parts, they require maintenance and the slots coming into the shops are obviously constrained. And I think our customers are going want to maintain their position in line. Yes.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

I think the only thing that I would add, Seth, is building on something Neil said, which is really kind of the process that we go through. We've got people embedded with our airline customers, service reps, our customer facing teams do bottoms up analysis with our customers and have a really, really solid understanding of their assumptions on traffic, on capacity, and of their plans and the levers they're thinking about pulling. And so, as we see how this plays out, we'll take action as necessary as we're watching those buying patterns. We watch them on a daily basis, and we react quickly when we see shifts.

Seth Seifman
Seth Seifman
Executive Director at JP Morgan

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Gursky of Citi. Please go ahead,

Jason Gursky
Jason Gursky
Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Hey, Jason.

Jason Gursky
Jason Gursky
Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Hey. Neil, I was wondering if you just a clarification one, if you'd be willing to talk about the gross impacts of tariffs. You've talked about the net impact here.

Jason Gursky
Jason Gursky
Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

And then Chris, I'm wondering just to get your initial thoughts and takes a take on some of the executive orders that have been coming out of the White House. It looks like they want to get engaged in procurement reform and maybe go off and rewrite federal acquisition regulation. Just kind of, what should we be looking for from the outside? Is this necessarily a good thing to go see procurement reform and trying to cut down on red tape and speed up acquisition processes? Or are there some things that we should be kind of be on the watch for that might have unattended negative consequences for the industrial lease?

Jason Gursky
Jason Gursky
Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Thanks.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Thanks, Jason. Let start by talking about the tariffs a little bit. I mean, I think it's mostly important to look at the net impact. If you were to apply the tariff rates to gross imports or gross movement across borders in the case of tariffs coming from other countries, I think that would skew that number considerably, particularly given some of the mitigations that are available to us. You think about USMCA for goods moving, Canada, Mexico and The United States, doesn't fully cover us.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

It's not the same as the commercial aircraft agreement that was in place and is no longer available. But that mitigates things in a significant way. Similarly, on defense side, the military duty free option that we're available too, that covers a significant amount of the gross impact. It gets a little bit more difficult because there's a lot more paperwork involved when it requires temporary import under bond or drawbacks. So I think, again, that's why we've laid out a net number here.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

I think that's the most important thing. And as I said before, we're continuing to operationalize the mitigation efforts. There's a fair amount of work to do to ensure our products meet the qualifications of either USMCA or are able to qualify for temporary import under bond and of course drawbacks because we need to track the parts on a serial number basis. So a lot to do. I expect us to be able to mature that and improve things if this were to last multiple years.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Chris?

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yes. On your second question, Jason, I would just say, look, we applaud the administration's effort to streamline procurement. The faster we can move to awarding contract, the better it gets us to line up our labor more quickly, gets us to get our supply chain on contract more quickly, takes risk frankly out of some of the bids. Time is never your friend as you're trying to execute those things.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

So again, we see that as net positive all around. I mean, the focus for us, Jason, when we think about the executive orders, and frankly, just the administration writ large, is executing on our backlog. I mean, the feedback that, of course, we're getting is we need more of your product and we need it faster. And so it's partnering with both the administration and our supply chain, identifying where we see bottlenecks, trying to eliminate those bottlenecks and keep the ramp going. We've seen progress on a number of key programs, think JEMT, think Coyote here in the first quarter, and we've still got a ramp ahead of us across a number of effectors because the demand is really strong.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gautam Khanna of TD Cowen. Your question please, Gautam.

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Analyst at Cowen

Yes, thank you. Good morning, guys.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Good morning.

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Analyst at Cowen

Wondering if we could switch to OE. Ao, was curious, are you seeing any sort of production rate expectation declines on the A350 or other products? And if you could just update us on supply chain constraints and how those have progressed? I know you made some comments in the opening, but if you could just elaborate on July and some of the other areas that were long bulls in the tent before. Thanks.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Sure. Look, on OE, I'll sort of echo what Neil had said earlier, which is the airframers have strong, firm backlogs and are focused on continuing to ramp. They need to keep material flow going through their shops from the supply chain. So we don't see any material changes there. And again, we see a ramp ahead and we want to stay out of their way, make sure they have what they need from us as they're moving up that ramp.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

On supply chain, I named some of the key part families sort of upfront here in terms of where we're seeing progress, rocket motors, structural castings. Again, we see steady improvement across. Again, we've got ramps ahead of us in our plans. We've got to continue to see that improvement. On July, we've done, I think, a very good job in working and partnering with Boeing on heat exchangers.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

I feel like that is now up to where it needs to be on 787, and we're going to continue to keep a close eye on that as Boeing continues to ramp.

Gautam Khanna
Gautam Khanna
Analyst at Cowen

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Christine Lewog of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open, Christine.

Kristine Liwag
Kristine Liwag
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Hey. Good morning, everyone. Mean, Neal, the focus has been on the negative impact on tariff. But I would imagine that in the discussion that the administration is having with other countries on how to close The U. S.

Kristine Liwag
Kristine Liwag
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Trade deficit, the aerospace defenses industry's role as a net exporter, I mean, can't really be ignored. So I guess first, know, are you having any discussions about that? And are you seeing incremental demands from international orders from this? And second, you know, a trillion dollar US defense budget kind of came under the radar a few weeks ago. And taking this into consideration, how much flexibility do you have in ramping up capacity?

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Thanks, Christine. Look, we've been consistent in our advocacy through a number of channels, legislative with the administration, on exactly what you just said. Again, we really believe that The US aerospace and defense industry is really well positioned to meet what the administrative's sort of North Star and trade objectives are. And that this industry has just been a shining example of U. S.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Competitiveness and U. S. Manufacturing prowess. And if you just think about all the investments we make here in The U. S, both in terms of our people, our factories and our technologies, again, those are the things that we continue to emphasize.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

On the 2026 sort of budget, I guess we'll see how that ultimately shakes out. Again, areas will continue to be integrated air missile defense, homeland missile defense, counter UAS, I think all things that are in our core competency. To your point on capacity and rate increases, again, you've heard us talk about our backlog today. We are in an urgent mode in terms of increasing capacity across the board. I gave you the example of Tucson.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Previously, we've done it in Huntsville. We've done it in Camden, Arkansas. We're doing it across our footprint for the very reason that you mentioned, which is the demand is strong today and we see that continuing into the future. And we've got to be ready to continue to meet that demand.

Kristine Liwag
Kristine Liwag
Analyst at Morgan Stanley

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Strauss of Barclays. Please go ahead, David.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Barclays

Thanks. Good morning.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Hey, David.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Barclays

Just a follow-up, I think, on some questions that have been asked. First of all, V2500, the shop visit assumption there this year, if that's held? And how you think V2500 shop visits would hold up in a, let's say, flattish kind of flight hour environment if we go into a recession? That's the first question. And then second of all, on GTF and powder metal.

David Strauss
David Strauss
Managing Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at Barclays

Chris, you've talked about the ramp that you saw last year and expecting this year on powder metal material and MRO capacity. I guess, how much do we ultimately or do you ultimately need to see powder metal capacity, MRO capacity increase, I guess, beyond what you're thinking about for 2025 to be able to accomplish fixing all the, I think, 3,000 engines that need to have parts replaced? Thanks.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Sure. I'll start with the last part, David, and then, Neil, maybe you want to talk GE2500. When we think about the GTF Fleet Management Plan, David, again, pleased with the MRO output. I'll note here that this MRO output was also on heavier work scopes compared to Q4. So really pleased about that.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Continue to see continued improvement in in shop turnaround time. A lot of that is taking time out of Gates 1 and Gate 3. In terms of capacity, again, I don't think it's an MRO shop issue. We've got the number of shops that we need in network. It's really just optimizing the flow within each one of those.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Again, as I said before, that comes down to the gate two material flow. When we see material flowing, we see turn times come down substantially. As I said, we're taking as much as we can out of gates 1 And 3 as we continue to drive better flow with our supply chain into gate two. As we continue to see that improve, we feel really good about the shops we have in our network and their ability to take that material and shrink turn times substantially.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Thanks, Chris. David, on V2500 rather, 800 shop visits was our estimate coming into the year, as you pointed out. We were up 7% in the first quarter of this year year over year in terms of our inductions, right on track for about a quarter of the full year output. We're also seeing the mix of those shop visits trend towards heavier overhauls given the age of that fleet. If you were to project that out, if I were to project that out in flatter environment, I think it holds pretty solidly.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

We saw 11 retirements of V2500 powered aircraft in the first quarter. As you know, over the last several years, those retirements have been relatively low. It's still a relatively young fleet. And frankly, there's a tremendous amount of demand still, as you all know, in the narrow body area. And so I think for a short period of time, even in lower demand environment, those shop visits would likely stay relatively consistent.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Our customers need that lift. And as we continue to get the GTF fleet back up in the air, then I think we would see that start to tail off a little bit, but that's a little bit of a ways out.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Doug Harnett of Bernstein. Please go ahead, Doug.

Douglas Harned
Managing Director at Bernstein

Good morning. Thank you.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Good morning, Doug.

Douglas Harned
Managing Director at Bernstein

Chris, over the last couple of years, you've had a really big increase in backlog at Raytheon. A lot of that's been helped by international, particularly Europe.

Douglas Harned
Managing Director at Bernstein

When you look forward, looking at mid single digit growth this year at Raytheon, it seems to be you have an outlook that's well below what one might expect from that backlog growth. Can you comment on the timing in which we should see that backlog flow into revenues? And perhaps also how you're thinking about some of the by European movement inside Europe and how you're participating kind of on the ground in Europe as well.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yeah, maybe I'll start with the second part first, Doug. As I was saying upfront, we view the increased defense spending in Europe as an opportunity. And we all saw the August support over the next four to five years to continue to build up European munitions and defense overall. As I said, one of the biggest needs are integrated air and missile defense systems and effectors, which is, again, right in our core competency. Patriot, JEMT, NASAMs, LTAMDS, which we just mentioned getting through Milestone C and going into production, another opportunity there.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

So again, feel like that's a real opportunity for us, especially on the back of the very strong partnerships that we have in terms of co production and co sustainment. We don't go it alone in Europe on some of our key programs. We think that's a competitive advantage. In terms of the timing of the sort of backlog, if you will, Doug, again, of that is driven by contractual terms and length of those contracts, how those play out. But again, you've got some very long lead material items that sit in many of these programs that take time.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Again, I'll go back to the point I made before. The more streamlining we can do, especially on FMS, you saw that with one of the EOs that the government had sort of put out there, streamlining that process, the faster that we can get supply, our supply chain on contract, get long lead material flowing and shorten those delivery cycles.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

The only thing I would add to yes, sorry, I'll just add another point or two here. I mean, you looked within the businesses, Land and Air Defense Systems, that's up a strong double digits, right? Where you'd expect to see the growth, we're seeing it. It's offset by some expected headwinds in lower development programs and that frankly is lumpy, it's timing. So I think as you step back and look at the broader Raytheon portfolio, we still feel good about the mid single digit sales growth this year.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

We expected the headwind we saw in the first quarter. We have a couple of points of that headwind in the second quarter frankly. But underlying the bread and butter of the Raytheon portfolio, it remains on track and our execution is on track there and we're seeing capacity increases and that's translating to output. So, I think those are a couple of the dynamics going on within the business.

Operator

Our

Operator

next question comes from the line of Scott Mikets of Melius Research. Go ahead, Scott.

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

Good morning.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Good morning, Scott.

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

Chris, Neil, quick question on Pratt. There's a labor negotiation with the vote on a contract in early May. I'm just wondering how you're approaching that and if there's any contingency plans put in place, if there is a strike to still work down the GTF AOGs.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Yeah. Well, look, I won't get into the specifics of that one, Scott. I'll just say that I think we've had a pretty good track record over the last few years in a highly inflationary market with getting large significant union negotiations to agreement without any interruption. And we're cautiously optimistic that we can do that here as well. We have a longstanding relationship with this labor union.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

There's a lot of demand in the system, so obviously feel like we can get to the right place there and continue to meet the demands of our customer.

Scott Mikus
Director – Aerospace, Defense & Space Research at Melius Research LLC

All right. Thanks for taking the question.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

You bet.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Akers of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead, Matt.

Matthew Akers
Matthew Akers
Aerospace & Defense Research Analyst at Wells Fargo

Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for the question. I'm sorry to go back to tariffs, but I guess one question we're getting this morning is kind of why are you not able to pass through more of this $8.50, I guess, just either, whether it's contract kind of escalation or just aftermarket pricing or kind of drawbacks because a lot of your product ultimately kind of gets exported. So is that not the right way to think about it?

Matthew Akers
Matthew Akers
Aerospace & Defense Research Analyst at Wells Fargo

Or is there maybe like a timing mismatch that maybe you get this back in the future? Or maybe could you possibly do better than this if you are able to recover some of that?

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Well, let me break this in two parts here, Matt. So in terms of can we do better, to sort of set up front, these are relatively new sort of processes and systems that we've put in place to avail ourselves of the mitigations, the regulatory mitigations and some of the operational mitigations. And so as we continue to get reps on those, I suspect that we will get those more learned out and there could be opportunities. On pricing, again, I would say that we've had experience over the last few years in how to pass along higher costs through pricing to our customers where we're reasonable. Again, I think you have to be balanced.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

You have to balance that against a number of factors. Your contract, of course, but what the market will bear, what the market landscape is. We have not been shy about pushing through higher cost through pricing and we'll continue to look for opportunities to do that. But I don't think it's not a panacea for all things tariff.

Matthew Akers
Matthew Akers
Aerospace & Defense Research Analyst at Wells Fargo

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Noah Poponak of Goldman Sachs. Your question please, Noah.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Hi, good morning everyone.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Hey Noah.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Neil, your full year guidance for segment EBIT at Pratt and Collins, I think implies the margins are pretty flat sequentially through the year, maybe even down a little at Collins. Can you talk about that? How much of that is actual pre tariff fundamental drivers in the business?

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

And how much of that is leaving cushion that where you could therefore absorb tariffs if they stick?

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Thanks, Ko. I appreciate the question. And I think if we were sitting in an environment with maybe a little less uncertainty, I'd feel like we were well positioned within our outlook and that's how we started the year as we talked about ninety days ago. Strong first quarter, really pleased with the margins we saw both at Collins and at Pratt. And I would comment at Pratt that was on lower spare engines and more install engines.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

So I think I'm really pleased to see the kinds of margins we're seeing there with the mix of the install versus spare engine mix in the first quarter. And as we look out to the rest of the year, we'll see higher installs at Pratt. That will bring with it a little bit of headwind as it does all the time. But I remain cautiously optimistic. I think at this juncture in the year, given the uncertainty we're seeing around the customer base, we're going to sit here and hold that for the rest of the year.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

We'll look at it again in another ninety days. And if the strength continues, then that'll be great. If not, I think we've got a little room to absorb some softening that might take place as we exit the summer months. So I'll just leave it at that for now. And of course, days, we'll be back to provide an update.

Noah Poponak
Noah Poponak
Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Gavin Parsons of UBS. Please go ahead, Gavin. Thanks. Good morning.

Christopher Calio
Christopher Calio
President & CEO at RTX

Hey, Gavin.

Gavin Parsons
Gavin Parsons
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group

I'm just following through on Raytheon margins there. I think the guide for the full year implies about 10.5% and I think that's with $100,000,000 of productivity. So given you did 10.7 in the first quarter with 15,000,000 of productivity, I guess first is there anything abnormal in that margin? And then second, longer term on Raytheon margins, anything that keeps you from achieving that 100 basis points of volume plus 100 basis points of productivity that you had been talking about a couple of years ago at the twenty twenty three Investor Day?

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

Sure. Thanks for the question. Listen, I think we're pleased with the Raytheon margins in the first quarter too. Obviously, it's not where we think the full potential of the business is. We think it can get back into the 12% plus range and will.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

We saw about $15,000,000 year over year productivity improvement. We had said we'd see about $100,000,000 on a full year basis and still hold that expectation. So again, mix contributed in a significant way in the first quarter. That mix can vary throughout the course of the year, but we're definitely seeing a trend towards more international mix in the Raytheon sales and backlog and we expect that trend to continue. So again, at this point in the year, just want to make sure we reserve a certain amount of contingency here.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

But I feel good about how we started the year and I expect us to continue to see that play out. We have big growth in absolute dollars and profit for Raytheon as we move through the rest of the year. That's reliant upon the continued supply chain health. Again, we've seen good movement there, eight consecutive quarters of material growth. So again, assuming all that holds, we expect that margin to hold as we go through the rest of the year as well.

Neil Mitchill
Neil Mitchill
CFO at RTX Corp.

So thanks for the question.

Gavin Parsons
Gavin Parsons
Director - Aerospace & Defense Equity Research at UBS Group

Thanks.

Operator

With that, I would now like to turn the conference back to Nathan Ware.

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

All

Nathan Ware
Nathan Ware
VP - Investor Relations at RTX

right. Thank you, Latif. That concludes today's call. As always, the Investor Relations team and I will be available for follow-up questions. So thank you all for joining us today, and have a good day.

Operator

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