Kirby Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Kirby EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $1.33
• Consensus EPS: $1.27
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.06
• One Year Ago EPS: $1.19

Kirby Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $785.66 million
• Expected Revenue: $824.12 million
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$38.46 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: -2.80%

Kirby Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/1/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, May 1, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 8:30AM ET

Kirby (NYSE:KEX) operates domestic tank barges in the United States. Its Marine Transportation segment provides marine transportation service and towing vessel transporting bulk liquid product, as well as operates tank barge throughout the Mississippi River System, on the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway, coastwise along three United States coasts, and in Alaska and Hawaii. It also transports petrochemicals, black oils, refined petroleum products, and agricultural chemicals by tank barges; and operates offshore dry-bulk barges and tugboat units that are engaged in the offshore transportation of dry-bulk cargos in the United States coastal trade. It owns and operates 1,076 inland tank barges, approximately 281 inland towboats, 28 coastal tank barges, 25 coastal tugboats, 4 offshore dry-bulk cargo barges, 4 offshore tugboats, and a docking tugboat. Its Distribution and Services segment sells after-market service and genuine replacement parts for engines, transmissions, reduction gears, electric motors, drives, and controls, electrical distribution and control systems, energy storage battery systems, and related oilfield service equipment; rebuilds component parts or diesel engines, transmissions and reduction gears, and related equipment used in oilfield services, marine, power generation, on-highway, and other industrial applications; rents generators, industrial compressors, high capacity lift trucks, and refrigeration trailers; and manufactures and remanufactures oilfield service equipment, including pressure pumping units, as well as manufacturers electric power generation equipment, specialized electrical distribution and control equipment, and high capacity energy storage/battery systems. It serves to various companies, the United States government, and pleasure crafts. The company was formerly known as Kirby Exploration Company, Inc. and changed its name to Kirby Corporation in 1990. Kirby Corporation was founded in 1921 and is headquartered in Houston, Texas.

Kirby Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Kirby Corporation twenty twenty five First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you need to press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.

[Operator]

To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Kirk Nimit, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead.

[Kurt Niemietz, VP of Investor Relations & Treasurer at Kirby]

Good morning, and thank you for joining the Kirby Corporation twenty twenty five first quarter earnings call. With me today are David Krasinski, Kirby's Chief Executive Officer Raj Kumar, Kirby's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Christian O'Neill, Kirby's President and Chief Operating Officer. The slide presentation for today's conference call as well as the earnings release, which was released earlier today can be found on our website. During this conference call, we may refer to certain non GAAP or adjusted financial measures. Reconciliations of the non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings press release and are also available on our website in the Investor Relations section under Financials.

[Kurt Niemietz, VP of Investor Relations & Treasurer at Kirby]

As a reminder, statements contained in this conference call with respect to the future are forward looking statements. These statements reflect management's reasonable judgment with respect to future events. Forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and our actual results could differ materially from those anticipated as a result of various factors. A list of these risk factors can be found in Kirby's latest Form 10 ks filing and in our other filings made with the SEC from time to time. I'll now turn the call over to

[Kurt Niemietz, VP of Investor Relations & Treasurer at Kirby]

David.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Thank you, Kurt, and good morning, everyone. Earlier today, we announced first quarter earnings per share of $1.33 which compares to twenty twenty four first quarter earnings of $1.19 per share. Our first quarter results reflected improved market fundamentals in marine transportation and continued strong demand for power generation in distribution and services. These positive trends were partially offset by weather and navigational challenges in marine and continued supply delays in distribution and services.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Overall, our combined businesses performed well during the quarter. In inland marine transportation, our first quarter results were considerably impacted by delay days. Throughout the quarter, our operations were challenged by winter storms, high winds and fog across the Gulf Coast, as well as lock delays throughout the system. These weather and navigational issues slowed transit times and impacted the financial performance of our contracts of affreightment. Overall, delay days increased 50% compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four and fifteen percent from a year ago period.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Despite these increases and delays, market conditions improved from the fourth quarter due to better customer demand and limited barge availability, which contributed to favorable price improvements. From a demand standpoint, customer activity was strong in the quarter with barge utilization rates running in the low to mid 90% range throughout the quarter. Spot prices were up in the low single digits sequentially and in the high single digits year over year. Term contract prices also renewed up higher with mid single digit increases versus a year ago. Overall, margins for inland marine were right around 20% despite the poor operating conditions.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

In coastal marine, market fundamentals remained steady with our barge utilization levels running in the mid to high 90% range. During the quarter, we saw continued strength in customer demand and limited availability of large capacity vessels, which resulted in mid-twenty percent range price increases on term contract renewals. Our planned shipyard maintenance on several large vessels that we mentioned last quarter continues to wind down, but was a headwind to coastal revenue and margins during the quarter. Overall, first quarter coastal revenues decreased 6% year over year and operating margins were in the high single to low double digit range. Turning to Distribution and Services, demand was mixed across our end markets with growth in some areas offset by softness or delays in other areas.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

In power generation, revenues were down 23% year over year as supply delays pushed some projects out of the quarter. However, the pace of inbound orders was strong, adding to our backlog with continued project wins from backup power and other industrial customers as the need for power remains critical. In oil and gas, even though a very soft conventional oil and gas business pushed revenues down 18% year over year, operating income was up 123% year over year driven by e frac and cost management initiatives. In our commercial and industrial market, revenues grew 6% sequentially and 12% year over year, driven by growth in marine repair activity, while operating income was up 23% year over year due to favorable product mix and ongoing cost control initiatives. In summary, our first quarter results reflected continued strength in market fundamentals for both segments despite meaningful weather impacts and supply delays.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

The inland market is strong and market conditions continue to support higher rates. In coastal, industry wide supply and demand dynamics remain favorable, our barge utilization is good, and we are realizing real rate increases. In distribution and services, strong demand for power gen is mostly offsetting weakness in oil and gas and in other areas. I'll talk more about our outlook later, but first I'll turn the call over to Raj to discuss the first quarter segment results and the balance sheet.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. In the first quarter of twenty twenty five, Marine Transportation segment revenues were $476,000,000 and operating income was $87,000,000 with an operating margin of 18.2%. Total Marine revenues, inland and coastal together, were steady as compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four, and operating income increased $3,600,000 or 4%. Compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, total Marine revenues increased 2% and operating income increased 1%. As David mentioned, FOG and high winds along the Gulf Coast produced a 50% sequential increase in delay days that impacted operations and efficiency in inland, while planned shipyard activity impacted the Coastal Marine business.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

This was offset by solid underlying customer demand, improved pricing and most importantly, execution. Looking at the Inland business in more detail. The Inland business contributed approximately 82% of segment revenue. Average barge utilization was in the low to mid 90% range for the quarter, which was better than the utilization seen in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. Long term inland marine transportation contracts or those contracts with a term of one year or longer contributed approximately 70% of revenue with 61% from time charters and 39% from contracts of affreightment.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Improved market conditions contributed to spot market rates increasing sequentially in the low single digits and in the high single digit range year over year. Term contracts that renewed during the first quarter were up on average in the mid single digits compared to the prior year. Compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four, inland revenues increased 2%, primarily due to higher utilization and pricing, offsetting the negative impacts of higher delay days. Inland revenues increased 3% compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four despite unfavorable weather related conditions. Even with the difficult weather conditions, inland operating margins improved year over year driven by the impact of higher pricing and continued cost management, which helped stave off lingering inflationary pressures.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Now I'll move on to the coastal business. Coastal revenues decreased 6% year over year due to the higher number of shipyards in the quarter. The impact from these higher shipyards was felt throughout the quarter, but is beginning to wind down in the second quarter. Overall, Coastal had an operating margin right around 10% as shipyards were partially offset by higher pricing and cost leverage. The coastal business represented 18% of revenues for the Marine Transportation segment.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Average coastal barge utilization was in the mid to high 90% range, which is in line with the first quarter of twenty twenty four. During the quarter, the percentage of coastal revenue under term contracts was approximately 100, of which approximately 100% were time charters. Renewal of term contracts were on average approximately 25% higher year over year. And we also noted that average spot market rates were up in the mid single digits sequentially and around 20% year over year. With respect to our tank barge fleet for both the inland and coastal businesses, we have provided a reconciliation of the changes in the first quarter as well as projections for 2025.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

This is included in our earnings call presentation posted on our website. At the end of the first quarter, the inland fleet had just over 1,100 barges representing 24,600,000 barrels of capacity and includes the newly acquired barges we announced today. We expect to end 2025 with a total of eleven seventeen inland barges, representing 24,800,000 barrels of capacity. Coastal Marine is expected to remain unchanged for the year. Now I'll review the performance of the Distribution and Services segment.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Revenues for the first quarter of twenty twenty five were CHF $310,000,000 with operating income of CHF 23,000,000 and an operating margin of 7.3%. Compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four, the Distribution and Services segment saw revenue decreased by 7%, while operating income increased by approximately 3%. When compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, revenue decreased by CAD26 million and operating income decreased by CAD4 million. In Power Generation, revenues decreased 23% year over year as supply delays pushed some projects out of the quarter. Despite power generation revenues being down, we saw continued orders from data centers and other industrial customers for power generation and backup power installations.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

This contributed to a very healthy backlog of power generation projects. Power generation operating income was down 39% year over year given the supply delays and had an operating margin in the mid to high single digits. Power Generation represented 34% of total segment revenues. On the Commercial and Industrial side, growth in Marine Repair offset lower activity levels in our On Highway and Thermo King business, driven by the ongoing trucking recession. As a result, Commercial and Industrial revenues were up 12% year over year and operating income increased 23% year over year, driven by favorable product mix and ongoing cost savings initiatives.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Commercial and Industrial made up 52% of segment revenues with operating margins in the high single digits. Compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, Commercial and Industrial revenues increased 6% as increased activity in Marine Repair was partially offset by softness in the trucking related businesses. Operating income was up 13% over the same period driven by favorable product mix. In the oil and gas market, we continue to see softness in conventional frac related equipment as low rig counts and tempered demand for new engines, transmissions and parts throughout the quarter. This softness is being partially offset by execution on backlog for orders of e frac equipment.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

This dynamic caused revenue to drop 17% sequentially and 18% year over year. However, despite the drop in revenues, operating income was up 7% sequentially and 123% year over year, driven by our e frac business and cost management initiatives. Oil and Gas represented 14% of segment revenue in the first quarter and had operating margins in the high single digits. Now I'll move on to the balance sheet. As of March 31, we had $51,000,000 of cash with total debt of around $1,100,000,000 and our net debt to EBITDA was just under 1.5 times.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

During the quarter, we had net cash flow from operating activities of $36,500,000 First quarter cash flow from operations was impacted by a working capital build of approximately $122,000,000 driven by the underlying growth in the business in advance of projects, especially in the power generation space. We expect to unwind some of this working capital as the year progresses. We use cash flow and cash on hand to fund $79,000,000 of capital expenditures or CapEx, primarily related to maintenance of equipment. Additionally, as announced, we used $97,300,000 to acquire some equipment from an undisclosed seller that comprised 14 barges, including four specialty barges and four high horsepower Riverboats. During the quarter, we also used $101,500,000 to repurchase stock at an average price just over $101 Our repurchases have continued in the second quarter with another $23,000,000 at an average price of $91.18 as of April 30.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

As of March 31, we had total available liquidity of approximately $334,000,000 We are on track to generate cash flow from operations of $620,000,000 to $720,000,000 on higher revenues and EBITDA for 2025. We still see some supply constraints, posing some headwinds to managing working capital in the near term. Having said that, we expect to unwind this working capital as orders shift in 2025 and beyond. With respect to CapEx, we continue to expect capital spending to range between CHF280 million and CHF320 million for the year. Approximately 180,000,000 to $220,000,000 is associated with marine maintenance capital and improvements to existing inland and coastal marine equipment and facility improvements.

[Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO at Kirby]

Approximately $100,000,000 is associated with growth capital spending in both of our businesses and could be deferred depending on economic conditions. As always, we are committed to a balanced capital allocation approach and will use this cash flow to opportunistically return capital to shareholders and continue to pursue long term value creating investment and acquisition opportunities. I will now turn the call back over to David to discuss the remainder of our outlook for 2025.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Thank you, Raj. We're off to a solid start in 2025. While recent macro events have created some near term uncertainty in places, we continue to see favorable fundamentals as the year progresses. Our current outlook in the marine market remains strong for the full year. Refinery activity is at high levels.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Our barge utilization is strong in both inland and coastal and rates continue to increase. In distribution and services, we are seeing strong demand for our power generation products and services, and we continue to receive new orders in manufacturing, both of which are helping to soften the decline in our oil and gas markets. Overall, we expect our businesses to deliver improving financial results as we move through the remainder of 2025. In inland marine, we anticipate positive market dynamics due to limited new barge construction in the industry combined with steady customer demand. With these strong market conditions, we expect our barge utilization rates to be in the low to mid 90% range throughout the year.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Overall, inland revenues are expected to grow in the mid to high single digit range on a full year basis. However, I need to give the normal cautionary points. A potential tariff induced recession or unforeseen changes in trade flows could cause a drop in demand, which would impact expected growth. That said, for now, we see revenues growing as planned and expect operating margins will gradually improve during the year from the first quarter's levels and average around 200 to 300 basis points higher on a full year basis. In coastal, market conditions remain solid and the supply of vessels is favorable across the industry.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Strong customer demand is expected throughout the remainder of the year with our barge utilization in the mid 90% range. With the number of shipyard days declining and essentially 100% of the coastal fleet on term contracts, we expect a significant step up in revenues and margins through the remainder of the year. For all of 2025, we expect revenues to increase in the high single to low double digit range compared to 2024. Coastal operating margins are expected to improve to the mid teens range on a full year basis. In the Distribution and Services segment, we still see mixed results as near term volatility driven by supply issues, customers deferring maintenance and lower overall levels of activity in oil and gas, partially being offset by orders for power gen.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

In commercial and industrial, demand outlook in marine repair remains steady, while on highway service and repair remains weak. In oil and gas, we expect revenues to be down in the high single to low double digit range as the shift away from conventional frac to e frac continues to take place and customers continue to maintain considerable capital discipline. In power generation, we anticipate continued strong growth in orders as data center demand and the need for backup power is very strong. We expect extended lead times for certain OEM products to continue, and it will contribute to volatility in the delivery schedule of new products throughout 2025. Overall, we expect total segment revenues to be flat to slightly down on a full year basis with operating margins in the high single digits, but very slightly lower than they were a year ago.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

To conclude, we're off to a solid start in 2025 and have a favorable outlook for the remainder of the year. Our balance sheet is strong and we expect to generate significant free cash flow despite high levels of CapEx this year. Absent acquisitions, we would expect to use the majority of free cash flow for share repurchases. We see favorable markets continuing and expect our businesses will produce improving financial results as we move through the year. And as we look long term, we are confident in the strength of our core businesses and our long term strategy.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

We intend to continue capitalizing on strong market fundamentals and driving shareholder value creation. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. We are now ready to take questions.

[Operator]

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you need to press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Our first question comes from Jonathan Chappell from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

[Jonathan Chappell, Analyst at Evercore]

Thank you. Good morning.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Hey. Good morning.

[Jonathan Chappell, Analyst at Evercore]

David David, I wanna ask about, not so much the acquisition that you announced this morning, but more of the path forward. It seems like we're in this interesting spot in inland where you're well off the bottom. The outlook is still pretty bright, but there's a lot of uncertainty kind of in the broader market and the macro. I imagine input costs and maintenance costs continue to go up. Are you seeing more opportunities kind of get tangled from the tree now where your balance sheet can provide you with a little bit more optionality on the M and A front?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes, the short answer is yes. I would say the environment is more constructive in terms of acquisition opportunities. But as you know, John, it's really hard to predict those. But the environment's better than we've seen in the last three or four years for sure. And obviously, a capital deployment standpoint, that's our first priority.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

We'd love to do a consolidating marine acquisition. And as you would expect, we're always on the outlook or looking out for those type of opportunities. That said, as you've seen, absent that, we're going to deploy our free cash and buy back stock. It's pretty easy for us to buy the barge company we know the most about. But that said, you know, our first priority would be trying to get a consolidating acquisition if if possible.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

And and the environment feels a lot better for that right now.

[Jonathan Chappell, Analyst at Evercore]

Okay. That's clear. Just for my follow-up, pivot to D and S and then kind of a two parter here. You mentioned the cost controls and your margins were better than we expected, I think than probably you expected in the first quarter yet the full year guide is about the same. So one, is there some stickiness to those cost controls that can maybe even in a kind of protracted soft oil and gas market help the full year margin?

[Jonathan Chappell, Analyst at Evercore]

Secondly, it just it feels like there's always building backlog, building backlog, building backlog and delays. Are we getting close to the point where this backlog really starts to translate into some revenue acceleration across any of the different segments within that category?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yeah, let me take that

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

in pieces and Christian can chime in here as well. You know, on the margin improvement, look, we've taken some strong lean processes throughout our whole distribution and services business. So the margin should continue to improve. There is a mix issue. E frac will be very high margins, whereas data center backup power is thinner margins.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

And that's because the engine is such a big portion of that, and it's hard to mark up the engine. So we get paid for our service and our engineering and our packaging really on those data center things, but the margin is thinner. So there's always a mix issue. That said, I would be disappointed if we're not able to continue to improve our margin outlook for the full year, but we're just not ready to declare that yet. The second part of your question really is, where's the pig in the python, right?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

And it's really been very difficult with natural gas recips more than the standby. We had a pretty good shipment period in the first quarter for data centers, which is diesel standby. The natural gas recips have been a little slower, But our second half, you should start to see the revenue start flowing through. We had one of our engine OEMs push out deliveries that were supposed to be in the first quarter to the third quarter. That sounds really negative, but what it is, is demand is pretty high.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

We just need to be higher in the pecking order with our OEM, which we're working on. I don't know, Christian, you want

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

to add anything?

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

No, think you summarized that very well. Power gen continues to grow. Demand is still really good. There are some challenges on the OEM supply side, particularly around engines.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

We're managing that as well as we can. But what you don't see is certainly any cancellations or change in behavior. What we see is just some of this moving out to the right, as David said, revenue.

[Jonathan Chappell, Analyst at Evercore]

Got it. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, David. Thanks, Christian.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Take care, John.

[Operator]

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Daniel Imbro from Stephens. Please go ahead.

[Daniel Imbro, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Yeah. Hey. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking our questions.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Yes. Good morning, Dan. Good morning, Dan.

[Daniel Imbro, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

David, maybe on the inland side, if we start there, it's good to see barge utilization and spot pricing continue to pick up. I guess, can you talk about maybe where we exited 1Q on both utilization and spot? And then related, contract pricing was up mid singles. How did that exit the first quarter? And how should we expect that to trend just given the strength we've seen in all the pricing and utilization?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes. Well, Chris and I will tag team this a little bit. I'll start. Look, our utility exited the quarter in the mid-90s. I mean, essentially sold out.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

We really can't run much more than 95%, ninety six %. And we've even through April, we've been running in that 95% to 96%. So demand is really strong. We are pushing pricing up. The fourth quarter, we had a very tiny pullback.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

We've made that back up. Spot pricing was up sequentially kind of 1% to 3%, in some cases a little higher than that. Term contracts were up 3% to 5% on a year over year basis. But just remember on the first quarter though term contracts, there's not a lot of them being repriced. Those typically second half loaded and particularly the fourth quarter.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

But I'll let Christian give you some more color on what we're seeing.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

I think David summarized that well. First quarter is a rather smaller sample set for our contract renewals as he referenced. It's kind of a back half of the year loaded when you get a better sample set. However, the market conditions as we emerge out of Q1, you look at the things that we think about and watch every week here at Kirby crack spreads, refinery utilization, chemical activity barometers, all of those indicators are in really good shape. Crack spreads have spread and expanded back into the mid-twenty percent range which is great.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Refinery utilization has gone up from the high 80s to the low 90s in Pad 3 which is particularly important to us. And the chemical barometers that we look at even though you see some pain in the sort of earnings in some of the major chemical manufacturers, their domestic operations remain very busy and quite strong. And we on the marine transportation side haven't seen a pullback in volumes. So when you look at that in combination with the supply side, again, view, but we think there's probably 50 some odd barges on the order book. Shipyard capacity is extremely tight.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

If you wanted to build a new 30,000 barrel tank barge, you're probably not going to get it delivered until late twenty twenty six. So if you take those demand and supply dynamics that we see, it's all very positive. Limited barge construction, good fundamentals in the measurables that have always been highly correlated to our success and barge pricing has gone to new all time high levels, steels back up with some of the macro and tariff activity, it will cost you $4,700,000 to go build a plain vanilla 30,000 barrel tank barge now. We've never seen that. Dollars 6,700,000.0 for a black oil barge, mean you can almost build a towboat for what would cost you to build a single black oil barge at this point.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

And tins are at $2,500,000 So steel has spiked back up. That should keep a lid on new construction. And I think the actual shipyard capacity that's out there, it really is reduced compared to the era when we were building hundreds of barges a year. A subjective opinion that if you go to the high quality shipyards that can build a good tank barge, you're still at about $50.60 a year is the capacity for The US Jones Act in the tank barge construction. So that's a long answer to your question, but as we exit Q1, coming out of the winter months, which is the most challenging time to be a towboat or manage towboats, and we emerge at 20% margins headed into a good supplydemand dynamic, leaves, I think, us feeling pretty good about the outlook.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

I'll stop there.

[Daniel Imbro, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Yeah. No. That's all really helpful color. Appreciate the detail. And and maybe just then from a follow-up related to that.

[Daniel Imbro, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

On the inland margin, if I put all those pieces together, it sounds supportive. Think one q op margins were actually flat from 4Q despite the big increase in delay days. So if utilization and pricing are improving, hopefully, days don't get sequentially worse. How should we expect inland margins to progress off this 20% level in 1Q as you move through the year to get to that full year guide of 200 to 300 basis points?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes, Daniel, in our prepared remarks, we basically reaffirmed guidance. We think inland margins will be up on average for the full year 200 to 300 basis points. We feel pretty good about that. With all the tariff noises, we're basically reaffirming our guidance on margin expansion. You know our quarterly cadence, usually the third quarter is the best.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Second quarter is always pretty good. And the first and the fourth quarter is where they pull back a little bit, largely because of weather. So rather not get into quarterly guidance here on margins. I just say, again, we like to look at it on a full year basis. We think the full average will be up as we reaffirmed in our guidance.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Is there some upside to that? Maybe. It is really tight right now, but there are some macro headwinds out there that we're all watching with the tariffs and does that impact the economy. Right now, we're very confident where we're at though.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

And I would just add one small piece to that and the fact that spot prices continue to be above term prices. And that's where we like to be and where we like to see it as we continue to try to grow the margin.

[Daniel Imbro, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Great. Appreciate all the color guys. Best of luck.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Thanks, Thank

[Operator]

you. Our next question comes from Scott Group from Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

[Scott Group, MD & Senior Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Hey. Thanks. I just want to follow-up with that last comment you made about spot being above term. I know it sounds like there's not a lot of repricing activity in Q1, why only a 3% to 5% increase in contract rate given sort of everything that you're talking about?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes, it's

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

just a small set of contracts that renewed and every customer has a little different angle. But look, we're very positive with where we're at right now. And we would always like higher contract pricing, but we do have sophisticated customers and they do tend to play us off each other. But we're very constructive about continued pricing improvements.

[Scott Group, MD & Senior Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Okay. And then you mentioned trade flows and tariffs. I'm just curious how you see this playing out and where you see the risks? Are there any opportunities? And then just more broadly on everything going on, like the administration seems to be trying to incentivize U.

[Scott Group, MD & Senior Analyst at Wolfe Research]

S. Shipbuilding. I don't know how you think about that impacting you.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes. Well, let me break down the kind of the tariff potential tariff impacts. We're really not seeing much impact other than steel prices up right now. I would say there's three buckets, short term, medium term and long term for us. Short term tariffs, pricing on engines could go up.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

We're seeing most of our engine suppliers have domestic plants, but they're still buying parts and pieces from abroad. So there is a little impact from that. That would be a negative. The positive in the short run is steel prices have really popped, which just makes the cost of new barges go up, which is really good for us. Medium term, obviously, would be more the economy.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Do we see a pullback in the economy? As Christian referenced, our customers are not pulling back. We're not seeing it. Part of that may just be from a competitive standpoint, particularly from the chemical side, these US plants have a great feedstock position and they're very efficient and there's a lot of new capacity there that's been built in the last five to six years. And so they're the best assets in the chemical company's portfolio.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

So when we think about the economy, there could be a little pullback. Again, we haven't seen signs of it. And then in the very long term, I think onshoring is really good for Kirby. We're essentially 100% domestic. On our D and S side, our manufacturing facilities are all here.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

And then of course on the Jones Act side, the more things that come onshore, that's better for our Jones Act fleet. Now you asked specifically about the administration's effort on shipbuilding. That is really all about international shipbuilding, not really Jones Act at all. I think the administration is looking at China and China in the international ship supply area, they're about 70% market share on new construction. I think the administration is trying to address that and stimulate maybe some more international shipbuilding capabilities here in The US.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

That's really not addressed for the Jones Act. It may actually help us. We may have more maintenance options from shipyard stimulation, but we'll see. When we put all the tariff stuff together, it's probably a modest positive for us. There's all kinds of pluses and minuses and some unknowns.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

But when you run through everything I just did, it's probably a small net positive for us.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

And I might add one positive that we see in the executive order is an investment in marine training for the mariner. And I think that's I applaud the administration for addressing that wanting to help US labor and US jobs. And you know, anything we can do to help help grow the merchant marine and improve the opportunities for our merchant mariners is a positive and a positive for Kirby. And there's some of that in the in the executive order.

[Scott Group, MD & Senior Analyst at Wolfe Research]

Appreciate it, guys. Thank you.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Thanks.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Any reason for that. Are you pulling it? Are you changing it to 15% to 25% growth target? And then secondly, I guess on rates, I understand the delay days and it absorbs capacity. So when that capacity gets freed up and you don't have the delay days, will we see additional pressure on yields?

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Is that something that that you see as as the capacity gets freed up? Maybe just, I guess, stress that and then I'll follow-up.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Ken, I'm glad you asked that question. We are reaffirming our EPS guidance. We should have probably been more explicit about that. But when you add everything we said about it's the exact same guidance. So we are reaffirming that percentage.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

I'll let Christian talk about the weather

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

and freeing up capacity. No, mean you really honed in on something here, Ken. Q1 winter weather conditions artificially tightens the market. You're waiting to cross an open bay because the wind is blowing really hard, your trip's a little longer, you chew up available capacity, and utility does tend to go up during the winter months. However, we are more profitable and there's more margin on every voyage when you're able to accomplish those voyages.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Again, a large contract of affreightment piece of our portfolio becomes highly profitable when the trip times accelerate and we're able to make more ton miles. The other thing we do when we come out of the winter months is we actually gain net capacity. What I mean by that is those days spent waiting to cross the bay or to get through a lock or whatever weather delay it is, you're actually gaining barge days to sell as the weather gets better and you accelerate all of your voyages. So your fleet sort of grows just because there's more available bar shapes to book in better weather months, plus the margin on the affreightment trips.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes, the question would be, do the competitors get more aggressive? Look, Christian and his ops team are the preferred supplier out there, and people tend to want to work with us reputationally and because we do a lot to save our customers money. So there could be a small competitive impact, I think having more barge days to sell right now in our outlook, we're not worried at all, Ken.

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Okay. And I guess that comes through in contract pricing. The revenue per ton mile was down 11.8, so it's up 1% after upper teens last year. That's all just a factor of exactly what you're talking about in terms of mileage and getting jammed at the ports. It's just some investors, I think, don't understand that they're looking at those numbers and seeing the concern on pricing.

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

So I don't know if you want to just maybe extrapolate on that and how that turns into maybe accelerating pricing opportunities.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

No, that is exactly right. Great point. That is weather driven, efficiency driven. That gets better as the weather improves and you make more ton ton miles and more margin. And so you will see you will see that improve.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

I'm confident of that. You you've seen that. If you if you followed Kirby for a very long time, you understand that there's a seasonality to that that just exists.

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Yep. And then can relay that, I guess, to the number of delay not delay days, shipyard days at coast wise and what we could see as in the acceleration into the second quarter and beyond?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes. I mean, we're we had a very heavy first quarter. We're starting to get that equipment back in. You will see the coastal margins progress up each quarter going forward. I don't want to give you specific margin guidance, but our coastal business is about to really start to generate margins.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Christian and I kind of joke with our team that we got to get coastal margins above inland margins. There's a little healthy competition internally here. But once we get these big shipyards done, you can imagine having a big ATB unit that's earning $40,000 50 thousand dollars a day in a one and twenty day shipyard. That's a lot of revenue that's not there, but the cost is still there. So that's about to reverse.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Each quarter, second quarter will be a lot better than first quarter. Third quarter will be even better than second quarter. So the progression is there, Ken.

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Yeah. That'll be the day, I guess, when we see coastline feed inland. Last one for me, just M and A. Maybe can you just talk about the process? How long was this 14 barge discussion working through and are there other opportunities?

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Would imagine that given some of the financial constraints we've seen of some of the smaller carriers that would have been maybe more opportunities, are you seeing that increase?

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Ken, I think in general, Kirby is the logical strategic acquirer for companies that want to sell particularly liquid marine assets. Those conversations, those relationships exist and if something is going to market, we almost always tend to get a look at it. Those relationships exist and those communication lines stay open. And so I don't want to comment too much on the deal that we did, but in general, we are the logical choice to at least have a conversation with if you're going to sell a liquid marine asset. We tend to see a lot of that activity.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Yes. And Ken, to add on that. I mean, is a much more constructive environment for acquisitions right now. But, yeah, predicting one is is is a tough thing to do.

[Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Thanks for the time, guys. Appreciate it.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Thanks, Ken.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Thanks, Ken.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question comes from Sharif Elmagabi from BTIG. Please go ahead.

[Sherif Elmaghrabi, Equity Research Associate at BTIG]

Hey. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Good morning.

[Sherif Elmaghrabi, Equity Research Associate at BTIG]

First, follow-up on Scott's question. I believe it was Scott. I believe that in the past in the past Q4 has historically been a big quarter for inland fleet repricings. Can you just give us an update on is that the case this year? Or should we expect a different cadence?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

No. As you might imagine, most companies' contract portfolios are kind of year end calendar. And for us, the fourth quarter is always a big quarter for term contract renewals. Sometimes they slip, somebody will say, hey, give us another month and we need to go get some more approvals. But no, it hasn't changed, Sharif.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

You should expect our fourth quarter renewal portfolio to that's the largest renewal. It's probably 40% of the contract renewals occur in that fourth quarter. The first quarter is usually one of the lighter ones.

[Sherif Elmaghrabi, Equity Research Associate at BTIG]

That's helpful. And then you mentioned crack spreads are pretty constructive at the moment. Last year, towards the end of last year, I remember petchem activity was an area of support while crack spreads came in. So I'm curious about the dynamics of trading one versus the other. Is it possible to switch some of your tonnage from product focused capacity to carrying pet chems or is the equipment more complicated than that?

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

So, yes, the answer is yes. There's a large piece of our portfolio that is homogenous. You can wash a barge out and move it from one service to another, clean it and shift services. Your typical 30,000 barrel, 10,000 barrel clean barges are homogenous assets that can chase gasoline as well as they can chase benzene, toluene, xylene. So yeah, they're flexible, the assets themselves.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

There are certain assets that are more product specific, black oil barges that have thermal fluid heating systems, pressurized gas barges, specific uses. But for the most part, the homogenous pool of thirties and tens are flexible to go in and out of the services.

[Sherif Elmaghrabi, Equity Research Associate at BTIG]

That's great. Thanks for taking my questions.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

You bet.

[Operator]

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Greg Wachowski from Weber Research and Advisory. Please go ahead.

[Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory]

Hey. Good morning, guys. How are you doing?

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Hey. Good morning, Greg.

[Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory]

Yeah. I wanted to follow-up on Ken and John's questions from earlier on the M and A environment. David, what what exactly has made it a more construction and or more constructive environment now versus the past few years? I I would have thought that given that there hasn't been a ton of struggle in the past few years relative to to past down cycles and prices seem to have gone nowhere but up. I just would have thought it'd be harder to find the right opportunity at the right price.

[Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory]

Maybe you just tell me how how I'm wrong there.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

No. No. It's so, you know, willing sellers, you know, they they they don't wanna sell at the bottom. Right? And, you know, right now, they're they're thinking, hey.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Look. Things are things are better. Well, I'm you know, if I do sell, I'm not selling at the bottom. I may be selling, you know, kinda mid cycle, and that's that's okay. They know, look, that with with the the financing market and whatnot, life is more difficult.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

So they might think that now is a better time to sell. The conversations are up for sure, but there's still a bit off our spread. There's always a bit off our spread, and we just need it to narrow. But at least the conversations are happening. I think post COVID, everybody wanted to kind of get their feet back on the ground, maybe pay down some debt.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

And and now, it just feels like the the conversations are just a little more constructive. But again, it's so hard to predict the acquisitions. It's it's a, you know, it's it's a price discovery type process and a lot of people have a lifestyle too that they're thinking about whether they want to give it up or cash out. So you just never know. I'm not trying to be cagey or avoid the question.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Everybody's got a little different angle on what they're looking for and why they might look for it.

[Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory]

Okay. That makes sense. Is it fair to kind of characterize that market as being maybe two ends of the spectrum, one being, you know, distressed sellers, which is, I guess, probably what we're more familiar with with your your more impactful acquisitions of the past versus the other end of the spectrum, which would be more like opportunistic exits. And the past few years has maybe been somewhere in the middle where it's been a little bit more muddy and now it's getting more towards that that more positive end opportunistic exits. Is that fair to think about it that way?

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

It could be. Yeah. I I I don't think that's that's an unfair characterization at all.

[Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory]

Okay. Cool. And then one more if you don't mind. It just seems it seems like there's been a few more barge orders since the last call mostly appear to be mostly replacement tonnage, but just always good to get your viewpoint on it. Yes.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Again, we subjectively look at the order book. We understand. We know who's building what at what shipyard. And I can verify that in our opinion, much of this appears to be replacement tonnage. You can look at the age of the expiring assets in those portfolios for those that are building and can tell you with some level of confidence that it looks and feels like replacement tonnage, not new

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

growth.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

Greg, I actually think we'll see a reduction in the overall barge count this year.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

And I would add, it's difficult even today to expand your fleet with the pressure and the acute shortage of Mariners. So even if you wanted to grow your fleet, even if you're willing to invest at these Halcyon numbers, which doesn't make sense to invest at $4,700,000 for a clean 30. But say you wanted to do that and you wanted to get a boat and crew it up, it's still a challenge to grow your crew complement to effectively, significantly grow your fleet. So again, most of this looks and feels like replacement tonnage. Financing is still an issue for a lot of the owners.

[Christian O’Neil, President & COO at Kirby]

Again, one of the benefits of being a publicly traded company and our access to capital. But I think what you see out there is the financial difficulty and the cost associated with that. With Mariner shortage, most of this is replacement tonnage.

[Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory]

Got it. Okay. Great. Thanks, David. Thanks, Christian.

[David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer at Kirby]

You bet. Take care.

[Operator]

This concludes the question and answer session. I will now turn it back to Kirk Niemens for closing remarks.

[Kurt Niemietz, VP of Investor Relations & Treasurer at Kirby]

Thank you, operator, and thanks again for everyone for joining us today. As always, feel free to reach out to me throughout the day and next week if there's any follow-up questions.

[Operator]

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Kurt Niemietz, VP of Investor Relations & Treasurer
• David Grzebinski, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Raj Kumar, Executive VP & CFO
• Christian O’Neil, President & COO

Analysts

• Jonathan Chappell, Analyst at Evercore
• Daniel Imbro, Managing Director at Stephens Inc
• Scott Group, MD & Senior Analyst at Wolfe Research
• Ken Hoexter, Managing Director at Bank of America
• Sherif Elmaghrabi, Equity Research Associate at BTIG
• Greg Wasikowski, Senior Analyst, Associate Partner and Co-Founder at Webber Research & Advisory