SNDL Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Our cannabis segments delivered 16.8% year-over-year net revenue growth in Q1, marking the thirteenth consecutive quarter of gains and supported by 8.7% retail revenue growth and 5.2% same-store sales increases.
  • We achieved an all-time high gross margin of 27.6% in Q1 driven by productivity initiatives and operational efficiency improvements.
  • The Board has launched a formal strategic review to evaluate SNDL’s U.S. multistate cannabis exposure and current exchange listings, with no decisions made to date.
  • Our Liquor Retail segment saw net revenue decline by 5.7% in Q1 (approximately 2% on a normalized basis), reflecting seasonality and a shift in Easter timing.
  • We expanded through M&A by integrating Indiva with synergies exceeding initial estimates and announcing the acquisition of 32 cannabis retail doors from One Centimeters, while also repurchasing shares and investing in Hightide.
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SNDL Q1 2025
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Operator

Morning, and welcome to SNDL's First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. This morning, SNDL issued a press release announcing their financial results for the twenty twenty five first quarter ended on 03/31/2025. This press release is available on the company's website at sndl.com and filed on EDGAR and SEDAR as well. The webcast replay of the conference call will also be available on the sndl.com website. SNDL has also posted a supplemental investor presentation in addition to the conference call presentation we will be reviewing today on its sndl.com website.

Operator

Presenting on this morning's call, we have Zach George, Chief Executive Officer and Alberto Paradero, Chief Financial Officer. Before we start, I would like to remind investors that certain matters discussed in today's conference call or answers that may be given to questions could constitute forward looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those anticipated. Risk factors that could affect results are detailed in the company's financial reports and other public filings that are made available on SEDAR and EDGAR. Additionally, all financial figures mentioned are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise indicated.

Operator

We will now make prepared remarks, and then we'll move on to the analyst questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Zach George. Please go ahead.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Good morning, and welcome to SNDL's Q1 twenty twenty five Financial and Operational Results Conference Call. We are pleased to see that during the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we continued to break new records, making further progress in operational and efficiency improvements and achieving success with our cannabis business. Our cannabis segments continued to show strong momentum, achieving steady year on year revenue gains for the thirteenth consecutive quarter. We continue growing well above the market average, not only thanks to our strategic inorganic investments, but also due to a winning formula that drives organic growth ahead of the market. Achieving a new all time high gross margin record of 27.6% in a quarter affected by lower revenue seasonality leverage was particularly inspiring.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

We are very pleased with how our teams consistently raised the bar, executing well planned productivity initiatives and efficiency improvements across all areas of our business. We are particularly encouraged by the progress made integrating the accretive Indiva business while identifying additional synergies that exceed our initial estimates, laying the foundation for further improvements in the coming quarters. Free cash flow was marginally negative at minus 1,000,000 Despite seasonal pressures from the year's lowest revenue quarter and the need to rebuild inventory levels following the holiday demand peak, these improvements in cash generation are underpinned by ongoing operational enhancements and disciplined working capital management. Delivering quarterly financial performance improvements and reliability is crucial to us. We owe this to our shareholders, our partners and ourselves.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

However, our work does not end there. Unlike many other players in the industry, our strong balance sheet enables us to focus on building robust long term strategic foundations. In recent months, we announced additional share buybacks, acquired a minority stake in Hightide, and announced the arrangement agreement to acquire 32 cannabis retail doors from one Centimeters. Today, we're announcing that our Board of Directors has initiated a formal strategic review to evaluate SNDL's exposure to U. S.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Multistate licensed cannabis enterprises and our current exchange listing status. I would like to elaborate further on this last point. We are in a unique position within our industry, which allows us to take the driver's seat when exploring additional strategic corporate transactions. We possess both the capability and expertise to successfully close a variety of opportunities, giving us the flexibility to pursue alternative strategic paths. On an ongoing basis, we diligently review numerous opportunities on both sides of the border with the overarching objective of maximizing shareholder value.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

For this reason, the Board is evaluating whether to maintain our current equity market listings, which restrict us from operating U. S. Assets or transition to an alternative structure that would grant us the regulatory flexibility to actively manage a broader North American cannabis platform. This shift could potentially enable the consolidation of licensed cannabis businesses across multiple U. S.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

States. I want to make clear that while we have begun exploring various options, no conclusions have been reached and no decisions have been made. There is no assurance that any transaction or listing change will result from the strategic review. The company does not intend to provide further updates unless or until the Board approves a specific course of action or determines that additional disclosure is warranted. Moving back to our short term results, I want to hand the call over to Alberto for more insights on our first quarter financial performance.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Thank you, Saad. Our team is prouder than ever to showcase the operational progress we continue to make. Let's move on to our first quarter financial highlights. I want to remind everyone that the amounts discussed today are denominated in Canadian dollars unless otherwise stated. Certain figures referred to during this call are non GAAP and non IFRS measures.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

For definitions of these measures, please refer to SMDL's Management Discussion and Analysis document. We continue to see improvements year over year in net revenue, gross profit, gross margin and free cash flow. Net revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five reached $2.00 $5,000,000 a 3.6% increase compared to Q1 of last year. This was driven by a combined cannabis business growth of 16.8%, which included contributions from our recent Indiva acquisition, partly offset by declines in our Liquor Retail segment. Gross profit of $56,600,000 reflects a $6,200,000 increase or 12.4% growth year over year, resulting in two twenty basis points improvement in gross margin.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

This translates to another quarter of record gross margin reaching 27.6%. Adjusted operating income for the quarter amounted to negative 9,000,000 partially impacted by a loss of $4,500,000 from the Sun Stream portfolio, driven by a negative valuation adjustment as a consequence of the reduction in the bond market price of cannabis. Year over year, we see a decline of $4,600,000 as the negative adjustment from the Sun Stream portfolio in 2025 compared to a positive one of $9,100,000 in 2024. This creates a swing of $13,600,000 year over year from the Sun Stream portfolio that was partially offset by ongoing operational improvements. Free cash flow was marginally negative for the quarter at minus $1,100,000 despite seasonal impacts on revenue and the associated buildup of working capital, representing an improvement from the same quarter of 2024.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Our historical quarterly performance evolution shows a clear upward trend, indicative of our continuous focus on growth and efficiency improvements. The only anomaly is the adjusted operating income impacted by the Sandstream portfolio value adjustment as just explained. Looking at the contributions from each segment across our main financial KPIs, we noticed how the net revenue decline in liquor is impacting the overall consolidated results, despite the strong growth from both cannabis segments. The revenue elimination from cannabis is related to the sales from the cannabis operations segment into our own retail. This elimination is increasing as a result of our cannabis business growth.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

In terms of gross profit, Liquor Retail shows a small decline in the first quarter as a result of the lower revenue. Cannabis Retail and particularly cannabis operations continue to drive increases in gross profit with contributions of $1,300,000 and $6,000,000 respectively. Adjusted operating income shows the improvement from our operating and corporate segments being offset by the year over year impact of the downstream valuation, which was positive in 2024 and negative in 2025. Free cash flow for the first quarter of twenty twenty five remains marginally negative at minus $1,100,000 However, this represents a $5,300,000 improvement compared to the same period in the previous year, primarily driven by enhanced earnings and working capital management. Examining the year over year drivers of free cash flow in greater detail, we observed that the change in assumption valuation impacts net income, but is reversed through non cash add backs.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Inventory changes in the first quarter remain consistent with the prior year, while improvements in other working capital are primarily driven by accounts payable. Additionally, CapEx in the first quarter is slightly lower compared to the previous year. Nearing free cash flow breakeven in the first quarter is encouraging, especially considering the seasonality of our business, which consistently drives stronger cash flows in the second half of the year. Focusing on our operating segments, Liquor Retail recorded net revenue of $109,500,000 in the first quarter, reflecting a reduction of $6,600,000 or a 5.7% decline. Compared to the prior year, this quarter was impacted by one less day in February and the 15 Easter timing, which contributed an unfavorable impact of approximately four percentage points.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

As a result, the normalized underlying revenue decline for the quarter is closer to 2%, representing a slight improvement compared to the trends observed last year. Despite the net revenue decline, the gross profit reduction was mitigated by an improved gross margin, which reached 25.4%, a 60 basis point increase compared to Q1 of the previous year. Operating income of $2,000,000 shows a marginal decline compared to the prior year, as the reduction in SG and A expenses were offset by the lower gross profit, as well as a lapping of a $900,000 impairment reversal from the prior year. Cannabis retail delivers strong financial performance in both top and bottom lines despite being impacted by one fewer working day on the fifteenth Easter timing. Net revenue for Q1 twenty twenty five reached $77,500,000 an 8.7% increase compared to the prior year.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

This growth was primarily driven by a 5.2% increase in same store sales and contributions from newer store openings. The revenue growth supported a $1,300,000 increase in gross profit, despite a 40 basis point decline in gross margin compared to the same period last year. However, this represents an improvement in the gross margin trend as the 25.3% reported for Q1 twenty twenty five exceeds both the average margin and the exit margin of 2024. Both adjusted and non adjusted operating income rose by over $6,000,000 year over year, reaching $5,200,000 in Q1 twenty twenty five. This improvement was driven by revenue growth and enhanced SG and A efficiency, while benefiting from lapping a fixed asset impairment reported in Q1 of the previous year.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Our Cannabis Operations segment continued to deliver the largest P and L improvements. Net revenue for the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $34,300,000 reflecting an $11,900,000 or 53% growth compared to the prior year. This includes a $10,200,000 contribution from Indio. Gross profit achieved a significant increase compared to the prior year, driven by a 12.4 percentage point expansion in gross margin, which reached 26.8%. These improvements are mainly driven by our productivity program and initial synergies from the Enviva acquisition.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Adjusted operating income for the first quarter came in at a positive $2,400,000 marking a $1,300,000 improvement year over year. This growth was achieved despite lapping a $1,800,000 bad debt reversal reported in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Now, I will hand it over to Zach for additional insights into our strategic priorities.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Thank you, Alberto. As expected, during 2025, we remain focused on our three strategic pillars, which are essential to our long term success: growth, profitability, and people. Starting with growth, our cannabis retail segment is outperforming the market. As previously mentioned, this segment reported net revenue growth of 8.7% in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, significantly ahead of the market. Our performance is bolstered by strong same store sales growth of 5.2% during the period, reflecting not only excellence in execution, but more importantly the trust our consumers continue to place in us.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

The combination of robust same store sales growth and new store openings has resulted in an additional 0.3 percentage points of year on year market share gains. The acquisition of One Centimeters announced after the quarter's end is not only another key milestone, but also demonstrates our strategic commitment to expanding our cannabis retail footprint. We anticipate closing this transaction by the end of the third quarter. We are enthusiastic about this acquisition not only for the exposure it provides to new store formats and shopper insights, but also for its potential to drive substantial incremental organic growth. Our Cannabis Operations segment posted a strong 53% revenue growth in the first quarter as we continue gaining distribution points and leveraging the incremental platform provided by the acquisition of Endiva during the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Under our profitability priority, we are pleased to report continued improvements in free cash flow generation, specifically $5,300,000 better than the same quarter in 2024. This progress is driven by contributions from both income growth and effective working capital management. Incremental productivity improvements of $3,000,000 during Q1, primarily from our cannabis operations segment through procurement, manufacturing and cultivation efficiencies have contributed to the new gross margin record previously mentioned. Data licensing revenue contributed another $4,500,000 in the quarter, further supporting gross margin expansion. We also achieved $4,000,000 in overhead savings in Q1, driven primarily by the results of the restructuring program that was announced last July.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

On this last point, restructuring program continues to be executed according to plan, delivering $4,000,000 in savings during the first quarter. This achievement corresponds to an annualized run rate of $17,000,000 or 85% of our planned target. Last but not least, our people remain our greatest competitive advantage, and we are committed to continuing investment in their development while creating a work environment that fosters engagement and enables all team members to contribute and grow to their full potential. Under our strategic talent development process, we are pleased with the progress and enhancements made to our annual performance review cycle. This initiative gave our organization an opportunity to step back and both individually and collectively reflect on what we did well during the year and the lessons we learned to help us raise the bar in the future.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

This is a key component of our continuous improvement mindset. Following the engagement survey conducted in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four, we hosted several focus groups with our teams to develop actionable strategies targeting the biggest opportunities to further enhance our employee experience and engagement. During the quarter, we successfully transitioned all legacy Indiva employees to our consolidated HR platform, facilitating the seamless integration of this business into the SNDL family. Finally, we received very positive feedback from our employees regarding the distribution of an annual total compensation letter. This letter summarizes the individual compensation components achieved during 2024 along with merit adjustments and incentive targets for 2025.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

This initiative aligns employee incentives with both individual contributions and overall company performance, while also showcasing the competitiveness of our total compensation philosophy. As we conclude, I would like to take a moment to reflect on the progress our team has made. We continue to seize new opportunities, tackling challenges head on while laying down a strong foundation for the future. We are thrilled with this progress and remain confident in our ability to successfully navigate the complexities of our industry. Once again, I would like to thank our entire team for their contributions and our shareholders for their continued trust.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

I will now hand the call back to the operator for the analyst Q and A session.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the analyst question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. And if you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your headset before pressing any keys.

Operator

And our first question will come from Frederico Gomez with ATB Capital Markets.

Frederico Gomes
Director, Institutional Research, Life Sciences at ATB Capital Markets

Zach, maybe just speaking more broadly here, if you I guess, if you indeed decide to enter The U. S. Market directly, Just curious, you know, what's the strategy that you think would make sense here given the current state of the industry, and what would be the differentiators that Essential could bring to The US market? You know, what would be your competitive advantage, and and how you would plan to explore that? Thanks.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Good morning, Fred, and thanks for the question. Just as a preface, do wanna just wanna make clear that this decision is under review by our board of directors, so no decision has been made. But your question directly in terms of how would we enter and what would our competitive advantages be, please recall that we have two exposures through credit investments in our Sunstream vehicle that are subject to current restructuring activity. We believe that those those those restructurings are going to be completed in the coming months. And so in in terms of the notion of entering The United States, we have existing capital exposure with previously committed investments that would take us there.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

So it's not as if we would be looking at some imminent large, cash outlay or issuance of shares, to do so. Those enterprises are, in existence today, and we do have exposure that will be would be converted from senior credit into mix of equity and other instruments. And in terms of competitive advantage, look, the fact that we've we've lived through and weathered a very deep cycle in the federally legal Canadian landscape where we've seen over capitalization, excess infrastructure build out, which then drove massive oversupply in the market. And where the even at the margin, the the failure or or lack of payment of excise taxes by certain companies was used to fund discounting behavior, which drove a very aggressive, you know, race to the bottom in terms of product pricing, which then in turn drove, you know, very challenging margin profiles for, you know, businesses up and down the supply chain. We believe that we've we've we've learned significantly from that cycle and developed strength and a skill set, which is very applicable in many different international markets, including US state markets, which are in various states of play, as you know, in terms of being medical, recreational, or both.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

So the discipline that we've had to learn in terms of labor management and everything from our real estate exposure to our state of automation in terms of manufacturing in our vertical model. It gives us a very clear view as to which strategies will be successful in, you know, markets outside of Canada. And while it would be very difficult to say this in many other industries, in this specific case, I believe that the Canadian experience is actually a massive asset when ported to these other markets. So not only do we have the talent and we've built the capabilities, but we have the balance sheet and capital base to exploit these opportunities. So right now, we're we're considering this.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

The board is working to make the right decision for the long term for shareholders, and we'll certainly update you and our investors when the decision's made.

Frederico Gomes
Director, Institutional Research, Life Sciences at ATB Capital Markets

Thank you. I appreciate that. Second question on your cannabis retail platform. Just curious about the M and A outlook there. You obviously recently announced the acquisition

Frederico Gomes
Director, Institutional Research, Life Sciences at ATB Capital Markets

But are you looking at making further acquisitions of a similar size? You know, do you have a good pipeline of opportunities in Canada for retail?

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Yeah. I really appreciate the question. The answer is yes. While we are, still focused internally on optimization, and we believe that we have, quite a bit of running room in terms of margin improvement and free cash flow improvement, We are very active in terms of evaluating both organic and inorganic, you know, growth in our Canadian retail network. As we stated over the last several quarters, you know, capital deployment to build out a dominant retail footprint is a top priority for our board and management team.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

That has not changed. And second to that, as we as we talked about, was the potential to invest in in in core markets in The US. So, you know, just speaking maybe more specifically about opportunities, we are engaged and and continue to receive unsolicited inbounds from certain parties that are retail operators in Canada. We're also still doing careful site work to position new door openings in key locations. And there are also a number of both sort of medium sized and larger scale portfolios that we are watching very carefully and engaged in constructive conversation.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

These things can take some time to come to fruition. And given the fact that we expect the one Centimeters transaction to close sometime late in q three, We have a really important window to focus on internal improvement and efficiency while we await the sort of next leg of growth that should should position us for a very strong q four.

Frederico Gomes
Director, Institutional Research, Life Sciences at ATB Capital Markets

Thank you. And then just final question for me. Just if you could comment on the rollout of your loyalty program in retail. What is it that you you expect to get out of that program? And how can it help your operations, your margins, your sales, and your strategy in Canada? Thanks.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

You wanna answer?

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Yeah. Hi, Federico. This is Alberto. So, actually, we're very excited about the potential our loyalty program can offer.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Starting with giving us a platform to communicate effectively with our consumers I'm giving them as well the possibility to leverage a stronger value from their loyalty to us. And in every purchase opportunity, they can certainly leverage that and be rewarded accordingly. So I I would say it's both the advantage that it provides to our consumers, particularly low those that are the most loyal, as well as, as said, an opportunity to create a direct communication channel with them and make sure that they understand what type of offers, promotional activity, or new product launches that we have in our retail location. We have as well the potential, and we're actually working on expanding that loyalty program across our different banners. And that is not only within cannabis, but it has as well the potential to expand in our liquor network.

Frederico Gomes
Director, Institutional Research, Life Sciences at ATB Capital Markets

Great. Thank you very much. I'll hop back in queue.

Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Alberto Paredero-Quiros
Chief Financial Officer at SNDL

Thank you, Brian.

Operator

And our next question will come from Yiwang Kang with Canaccord. Your line is open.

Yewon Kang
Yewon Kang
Analyst at Canaccord Genuity Group

Hi, good morning and thank you for taking my question. Just one from me here. In recent days following the federal elections in Canada, there seems to have been a bit of a renewed sense of optimism towards the government implementing the set of regulatory recommendations that have been previously brought forth by the standing finance committee, with obviously the most topical one being the recommended excise tax reform to move towards the 10% ad valorem rate. Could you share any insights on how you guys are thinking about the path towards this reform? And if you believe that the ongoing trade war has any sort of impact on how the government is viewing the cannabis industry? Thanks.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Good morning, and thank you so much for the question. It's a it's a great question. Look. I would say that we don't wanna go too far beyond cautious optimism. I think excise reform has been, you know, obviously, a really hot topic for Canadian operators.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

We're not convinced that material change is going to happen in the near term. I would say that we are seeing some degree of very positive and constructive regulatory reform, whether you're looking at some of the retail regulations across provinces, packaging restrictions. We also expect a milligram limit on edibles to shift this year, which will likely be a a boon for that for that category. So we are seeing, you know, important marginal reform that's happening. But the notion that we are, you know, months away from all seeing excise tax rates drop and that this will be some big boon for the industry, we're not quite prepared to make that call just yet.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

So no other particular insights beyond what you're hearing and reading, you know, in the industry and media today. And in terms of trade disputes, not going to put words in, you know, Mark Carney's mouth, so to speak. I think he's got a number of priorities that, are seen as, significantly more important than the, 5 plus billion dollar cannabis industry in Canada. But, I'm sure that the liberal government will continue, with many of the same approaches and policies that it has, in in previous administrations. But importantly, when you reference the trade war, I I I think gratuitously, I should just mention that we are not expecting or experiencing any material disruption in our business from this dueling and uncertain tariff dynamic that's in play.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Our real exposure there, we had approximately 5% of sales in our liquor business coming from US products. So, you know, when you look at at products like Kentucky bourbon, for example, you may see shifts in terms of presence on shelf in the Canadian landscape. But we were also in the midst of working new working towards very new and expanded private label options to better reach consumers and deliver value. And so this is in no way sort of an excuse for our teams or leadership in terms of performance. And then on the cannabis side, there there there are some modest exposures through, potential, inflation dynamics with packaging specifically, but we don't see that having a material impact, on the business that would, you know, result in, you know, material materially impaired, you know, margins or anything like that.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

So as an industry, particularly being, you know, based in Canada, we are going to fare reasonably well, relative to many others in terms of potential disruption from from trade related disputes.

Yewon Kang
Yewon Kang
Analyst at Canaccord Genuity Group

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Zach George for any closing remarks.

Zachary George
Zachary George
CEO & Director at SNDL

Thank you, Michelle, and thank you all for joining us today. We appreciate your time and look forward to updating you on our progress in the near future. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

Executives
    • Zachary George
      Zachary George
      CEO & Director
    • Alberto Paredero-Quiros
      Alberto Paredero-Quiros
      Chief Financial Officer
Analysts
    • Frederico Gomes
      Director, Institutional Research, Life Sciences at ATB Capital Markets
    • Yewon Kang
      Analyst at Canaccord Genuity Group
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