Braskem Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Q1 2025 EBITDA surge: Consolidated recurring EBITDA jumped 121% QoQ to $224 million and net profit reached $113 million, fueled by wider PE and chemical spreads.
  • Higher plant utilization: All petrochemical segments improved utilization versus Q4 2024 and sustained a best-in-market safety rate of 0.92 incidents per million hours worked.
  • Strong liquidity and long debt profile: Cash of $2 billion covers 33 months of maturities, with corporate debt averaging nine years to maturity and net leverage at 7.92x.
  • Renewables milestone: Green ethylene capacity in Triunfo was revised up to 270 kt/y—15 kt/y above plan—and the company marked 15 years of its Agrineo bio-based portfolio.
  • Mixed Q2 outlook: Anticipated higher Brazil runs before a Q3 shutdown, stable US/EU output, a 45-day Mexico stoppage and continued pressure on international spreads signal near-term headwinds.
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Moderator

Good morning, and thank you all for waiting. Welcome to Braskem's first quarter twenty twenty five results conference call. With us here today, we have mister Roberto Ramos, Chem's CEO, mister Felipe Gens, Breast Chem's CFO, and miss Rosanna Volleo, investor relations, strategic planning, and corporate market intelligence director. We'd like to inform you that this event is being recorded. The presentation will be held in Portuguese with simultaneous translation into English.

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All participants can choose which language to listen to and see the presentation in using the show captions and view options buttons, respectively. Now I will provide these same instructions in English. After Braskem's presentation, we will begin a Q and A session. At that time, further instructions will be given. The audio of this event will be available on the Investor Relations website after its conclusion.

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We remind you that participants will be able to submit questions for Braskem, which will be answered after the end of the conference by the IR department. Before proceeding, we'd like to clarify that any statements that may be made during this conference call regarding Braskem's business prospects, projections, operational and financial goals, constitute beliefs and assumptions of the company's management as well as information currently available to Braskem. Future considerations are not a guarantee of performance and involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions as they refer to future events and therefore, depend on circumstances that may or may not occur. Investors and analysts should understand that general conditions, industry conditions and other operational factors may affect Braskem's future results and may lead to results that differ materially from those expressed in such future condition. Now I'd like to turn the conference over to Ms. Rosania Evolio, Investor Relations, Strategic Planning and Corporate Market Intelligence Director. Ms. Evolio, you may begin your presentation.

Moderator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We would like to thank you all for participating in Braskem earnings conference call for the first quarter of twenty twenty five. According to the agenda on Slide three, we will begin with the company's main highlights for the period, which can be found on Slide four. In the first quarter of twenty twenty five, the operations of Braskem's petrochemical petrochemical plants presented a better performance than in the last quarter of twenty twenty four. All segments showed a higher utilization rate in the period, while the high level of operational safety was maintained, resulting in an average global accident frequency rate of 0.92 events per million hours worked, in line with the best market references.

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In parallel, the company presented a consolidated recurring EBITDA of $224,000,000 1 hundred and 20 1 percent higher than compared with the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. In addition, the net profit attributable to shareholders was $113,000,000 Contributing to this result were the greater spreads of PE and chemicals in the international market and the greater sales of chemicals in the foreign market and of PP in The United States and Europe segment. Regarding debt, the company's profile remained quite elongated with an average term of around nine years, with more than 68% of the corporate debt maturing from 02/1930. In addition, Braskem's cash position ended the first quarter of twenty twenty five at $2,000,000,000 sufficient to cover debt maturities over the next thirty three months without considering the available international revolving credit line of $1,000,000,000 maturing in December 2026. Moving on to the next slide.

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In the next slides, I will present the performance of each of the company segments, starting with Brazil. The petrochemical plants in the Brazil segment showed an increased average utilization rate compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four by four percentage points with emphasis on the inventory management carried out at the gas based plant in Rio De Janeiro in anticipation of the scheduled shutdown of this plant due to take place in the third quarter of twenty twenty five. In terms of sales, the volume sold on the domestic market remained in line with the previous quarter, impacted by the increased PE and PP sales, offset by the decreased PVC sales. Regarding the quarter's results, the segment recurring EBITDA was $199,000,000 an increase of 101% in the previous quarter. The result was mainly positively impacted by the segment's increased contribution margin, mainly due to the higher spreads of PE and main chemicals on the international market and by reducing fixed costs and other expenses in the period.

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Moving on to the next slide. In the first quarter of twenty twenty five, green ethylene operations increased when compared to the last quarter of twenty twenty four, resulting in an increase of 10 percentage points in the plant's utilization rate. The normalization of operations after the unscheduled shutdown of the Rio Grande do Sul plant in the previous quarter contributed to this result. On the other hand, green polyethylene sales were impacted by the decreased demand due to the Chinese New Year. In addition to the operational performance, two important milestones were celebrated in the company's renewables segment.

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First, the green ethylene capacity in Triunfo was revised to 270,000 tonnes a year since industrial tests proved the production of 15,000 tonnes a year, more than the forecast in the expansion project completed in 2023. In addition, we celebrated fifteen years of agriene bio based portfolio, which includes a variety of solutions produced from a new pool source, sugarcane, which has the property of capturing CO2 from the atmosphere. These solutions play a significant role in facilitating our customers' sustainability journey without the need to invest in new technologies. These achievements reinforce our leadership position in biopolymers in a in line with our sustainability strategy and goals. Moving on to the next slide.

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The performance of The United States and Europe segment was better than in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. With regard to the utilization rate, an increase of 13 percentage points was a result of the normalization of the plants in Europe after maintenance shutdowns in the previous quarter and the adjustment of production in The United States to meet higher demand. In this sense, the volume of PP sold was 11% higher than in the previous quarter. In this scenario, the segment's recurring EBITDA was $20,000,000 mainly as a result of increased sales volume and the revenue obtained from the sales of Logistics Wagon in The United States. Let's move on to the next slide to discuss the Mexico segment.

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Regarding its operation, the increased supply of ethane, mainly through the fast track solution, resulted in an increase in the utilization rate of two percentage points in the quarter. On the other hand, the inventory management in anticipation of the general maintenance shutdown of the petrochemical complex that will occur in the second quarter of twenty twenty five contributed to the volume of polyethylene sold being 5% lower. Despite the decreased sales volume, the higher spreads of ethane based polyethylene and lower fixed costs and expenses positively impacted the segment, ending the quarter with a recurring EBITDA of $37,000,000 6 percent higher than the result of the fourth quarter of twenty four. Moving on to the next slide. With great celebration, Braskem IDESA inaugurated the ethane import terminal in Mexico last week through the subsidiary, Terminal Chemical Puerto Mexico, a joint venture between Braskem Edessa and Advario.

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The terminal has the capacity to receive and store 54,000 tons and transport 80,000 barrels of ethane per day, guaranteeing the necessary feedstock and Braskem's full operational capacity in the region. In line with this goal, Braskem, through its subsidiary, Braskem Trading and Shipping, BTNS, has two ethane transportation vessels dedicated to operation in Mexico, contributing to a reduction in logistics costs, lower CO2 emissions, around 40% than the industry average and the full supply of feedstock. The terminal also supports Braskem IDESA in its long term growth strategy, ensuring a diversified supply of feedstock to enable future expansions of up to 25% of the current capacity. Now let's move on to the next slide, please. Moving on to the next chapter, I will discuss the company's consolidated results.

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Regarding the company's consolidated EBITDA, the quarter's result was 121% higher than that of the fourth quarter of 'twenty four with an improvement in the margin of four percentage points. As mentioned previously, the higher polyethylene and chemical spreads on the international market as a result of the lower supply of resins in the American market and the volatility in feedstock costs, a reflection of the geopolitical uncertainties, had a positive impact on EBITDA. The increased volume of sales in Brazil and exports of the main chemicals in The United States and Europe in PP contributed to the result. In addition, the actions implemented with a focus on the company's financial preservation had a positive impact on the quarter and will be detailed in the last chapter of the presentation. Moving on to the next slide.

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At the end of the first quarter of twenty twenty five, the company had an operating cash consumption of approximately $936,000,000, explained mainly by the negative variation in working capital due mainly to the management of feedstock and finished products inventories as a result of scheduled shutdowns in the period. Recurring cash consumption of BRL 2,400,000,000.0 was mainly impacted by the half yearly interest payments on the company's debt securities, which are concentrated in the first and third quarters of the year. Considering Alagoa's disbursements, which were 65% lower than the previous quarter, the company had a cash consumption of around 2,700,000,000.0. Now let's move on to the next slide. Braskem ended the first quarter of the year maintaining an elongated profile of its Esk Braskem Idesa corporate debt with an average term of around nine years and 68% of the debt concentrated as of 02/1930.

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The company continually analyzes the market in search of more the most competitive opportunities for maintaining its debt profile. Considering the company's level of liquidity, the available cash of $2,000,000,000 is sufficient to cover its obligations for the next thirty three months without taking into account the international credit line available in the amount of $1,000,000,000 In conclusion, the corporate leverage stood at 7.92x at the end of the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Moving on to Slide 15. I will comment on the main updates from Alagoas during the period. By the March 2025, all work fronts in Massaio had progressed according to the plan.

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On the relocation and compensation front, the percentage of execution of the residents' relocation program reached 99.9%, considering that the entire risk area defined by the civil defense in 2022 was cleared. Regarding the proposals related to the financial compensation and relocation support program, more than 99.9% of the estimated proposals have already been submitted, of which around 99.5% have already been accepted and around 99.2% have already been paid. On the SALT cavity closure and monitoring front, as announced in 2024, provision has been made for actions, if necessary, to ensure that the 35 CAFBTs reach a maintenance free state in the long term, suitable for the definite closure of the field. These actions for the definite closure, should they be necessary, are scheduled to begin in 2027 with execution over several years or even decades. Of the 35 cavities, 18 will be filled primarily with solid material, six of which have already been completed.

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In addition, 11 cavities that remain in the salt layer and are suitable for pressurization are in the group of recommended day recommendations, sorry, for the long term filling with solid material considered by the company following a technical note issued by a specialist consultancy. The other six cavities were filled naturally, with five already confirmed and one in the process of being confirmed. In relation to the financial provision, the total provision for the Alagoas event was around BRL 17,600,000,000.0, of which about BRL 12,800,000,000.0 have already been disbursed, and approximately BRL $431,000,000 have been recorded in other obligations payable. In addition, around BRL $637,000,000 was recorded as a realization of the adjustment to present value. As a result, the total provision balance at the end of the first quarter of twenty twenty two was 5,100,000,000.0, 9 percent lower than the balance at the end of the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four.

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Following our agenda, let's move on to Slide 16. This concludes an overview of the results for the first quarter of twenty twenty five, and we will now present the outlook for the next quarter. The company's operating scenario will be mixed in the second quarter with the expectation of greater use of Brazil's petrochemical plants in anticipation of the planned maintenance shutdown in Rio De Janeiro scheduled to begin in the third quarter of the year. On the other hand, the segment in The United States and Europe is expected to remain stable due to a balance between increased production in The United States and lower production in Europe, impacted by decreased feedstock supplies. Mexico, for its part, will begin a general maintenance shutdown for its complex scheduled to last forty five days.

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Lower production in Mexico should affect the sales in the region, while the expectation for the other segments is for increased volumes sold in the period. As for international spreads, the second quarter of the year will continue to be challenging due to the prolonged shutdown in international markets and possible impacts of the new tariff scenario. The expectation of lower naphtha prices could positively influence the resin spreads in Brazil, leading to an increase in the next quarter. On the other hand, with the current increase in ethylene prices, gas based polyethylene spread could be negatively impacted, while polypropylene market remains challenging, maintaining the levels as seen in the first quarter. Moving on to the next slide.

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Given the growing scenario of geopolitical and tariff uncertainties, important competitive advantages will position Braskem to face possible impacts. Firstly, the company is prioritized serving the domestic market where there is still a large portion of demand to be reached. Additionally, the geographic diversification and the scale of its production given give Braskem leadership in the regions where it operates. Finally, the company is a pioneer and a leader in the production of biopolymers, solutions that are not affected by the traditional petrochemical scenario, which provides greater resilience during the periods of down cycle. The combination of these competitive advantages will be fundamental for Breschem to navigate the uncertainties of the current scenario.

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Let's move on to the next slide. Next, we'll explore the strategic direction of the company and its main initiatives. Regarding the company's strategic direction, Breskin is focused on two main pillars of action: resilience and financial health and transformation. On the resilience and financial health front, the focus will be on the tactical initiatives that mitigate the impact of the petrochemical downturn with a focus of maximizing cash generation. On the transformation front, we will implement actions to sustain the current business while continuing to focus on building the breast skin of the future.

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To this end, we are reevaluating and prioritizing our assets and investments in order to optimize capital allocation and generate additional cash flow. These actions are essential for creating value to our shareholders for the perpetuity of the business, and they are fundamental to the recovery of the Brazilian chemical and petrochemical industry. Now let's move on to the next slide. Faced with the prolonged downturn in the petrochemical industry, Braskem has implemented initiatives on the three main fronts, seeking to increase the company's value capture and resilience. In this sense, the continuous reduction of CapEx for operational and strategic investments was carried out, reaching the lowest CapEx in history with expectation of 2025.

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As additional levers, the prioritization of projects and the evaluation of assets continue to be part of the company's goals, which will use the funds approved through the REIQ investmentus to carry out projects to expand the stalled capacity. In parallel, measures to reduce fixed and variable costs are continually being implemented, such as initiatives in the areas of logistics and supplies, including the renegotiation of feedstock contracts. In conclusion, Braskem considers it essential to continue supporting institutional initiatives and defending the Brazilian chemical industry. To this end, the company will support initiatives such as maintaining the import tax, expanding the special regime for the chemical industry, among others, which will support Brazil's quest for competitive equality in relation to other economies. Combining these three main fronts, the expected value capture per year will be between $5,000 and 7,000 million dollars Now let's move on to the final slide.

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In this context and considering the current assets, three priorities were defined for Braskem's transformation. Firstly, the company is focused on the continuous optimization of its naphtha based assets, maximizing the utilization rates of the most competitive production lines while evaluating the hibernation of the least competitive production lines at the global level. At the same time, we are seeking to make the expansion of our gas based assets viable. This includes the RAKE investment to increase the capacity of the Rio de Janeiro petrochemical complex and unlocking the supply of ethane to the complex in Mexico in order to guarantee full coverage of its feedstocks needs and enable an increase in the plant's capacity in the future. These two achievements exemplify what the company intends to achieve in its other assets, increasing the flexibility of feedstock and ensuring the operational stability of its plants with the goal of increasing the competitiveness of its assets.

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Lastly, in line with our goal of expanding bioproduct production to 1,000,000 tonnes by 02/1930, we are implementing initiatives to selectively migrate to green production. Considering the current initiatives, in the last quarter, we had a review of the ethylene capacity. And in the short term, we will have important advances such as the expectation of a final investment decision for Braskem Siam, our future green ethylene plant in Thailand, for the second half of twenty twenty five and Sustania, our JV with Soltis, during 2026. These partnerships are examples of alternative investment models that we will actively seek to implement our priority projects. Combining the efforts of the three priorities, the company is seeking to generate value of $600,000,000 by 02/1930 in EBITDA growth.

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Finally, we conclude the presentation of Braskem's results for the first quarter of twenty twenty five. Thank you very much for your attention, and we'll soon start the Q and A session. Ladies and gentlemen, we are now going to begin the Q and A window. To remove your question, click in the lower hand. Our first question comes from Gabriel Baja with Citi.

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Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I've got two of them. Rosanna actually talked about this extensively, but I'd like to get more of your opinion about what's going on with regard to the tariff war and the new chapter now. Over the weekend and this morning, we have a new agreement between China and The US.

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So looking at the whole puzzle in a macro view, since the company has so many different geographies where it operates in, we could say, four continents. I'd like to or three continents. I'd like to hear your opinion on these new advances, these new developments. And now what changes with this weekend's news in terms of spreads, productivity, and everything else we can, think about in terms of Brazil and the impact of the context of import tariffs? And my other question, on the topic of the last slide where you mentioned $600,000,000 and capturing value through different initiatives, especially with the change to now focusing on gas, I'd like more details about that.

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What is the total CapEx for that plan? Could you give us a timeline as well? How much do you forecast that we will be capturing, especially in terms of keep KPIs as well? That would be very interesting. Thanks.

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Those are my questions. Hey, Rosanna. Do you wanna take this one?

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Thank you, Roberto. Good morning, everyone. Thank you very much for the question, Gabriel. In relation to the tariff war, Yes. You're right.

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When you say that, we had some updates on the weekend. But so far, we imagine that we could see the polypropylene spreads reporting port and increases considering the main feedstock for the production. 25% of propylene production in China comes from feedstock that comes from The United States. And so we would imagine the cash cost would increase, and the prices, therefore, of propylene would also increase. There's also the ethane part that part of the the feedstock comes from The United States.

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And that could also have some leftover, so as to say, that we was we refer to the in The United States that would favor the company somehow. This is one of the beauties of the diversification that we have at our company, not at the geographical level, but also in relation to product portfolio. There was also a concern of sectors which are connected to the GDP at the global level. That would be an impact on the global activities. The GDP of The United States and China combined is nearly 40% of the global GDP.

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So since we have this retreat, we were talking about tariffs of 145% being reduced to 3010%. So we have these uncertainties in terms of impact and economic growth. And considering all discussions that we have been observing considering the market and the likelihood of a recession. So this all becomes less uncertain considering the plastic demand, of course, has is very linked to the increase in the global GDP. So combined with the earnings result and this update, so when we saw all this new, we see all this favorable impact.

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And in relation to our main differentiator, this is not only a matter of geographic diversification, but especially the leadership that we have. If we consider that the world nowadays tends to be less globalized and more divided into economic blocks, for sure, if you are a leader where you operate, The main focus of the company in Brazil has always been meeting the domestic market, and this is a strength for the company without any doubt. So we are not only talking about this, but it's a diversification with combined with the leadership that we have, especially in The United States, in Mexico, and in Brazil and also in The Americas. Really, in relation to your second question about the $600,000,000 as a potential value creation, as I presented my talk. So there is a flexibilization of gas based activities.

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We cannot forget that in 2017, we had a project. We have a center of operations in Bahia in the Northeast Of Brazil, and we have an option. I can can produce return or naphtha. So we have this resilience. So we are going after this resilience in order to improve the flexibility in Bahia.

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In the South South Of Brazil, we also have opportunities with Argentina, propane, and even the expansion of Rio De Janeiro, which is a project that has been in our pipeline for a while with hot atres of Petrobras, which will make it become a reality. But when you ask about CapEx. When we're talking about especially about Brazil, we are going to maximize the use of resources by using the Heikin Vegeta Mate. Heikkinen Vegeta Main is a fiscal credit of 1.5% in the company's revenue, and this is conditioned to a project of a caps increase. So at the end of the day, in terms of cash flow, this wouldn't have an impact because there we have, on the other hand, an increase in revenue.

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In relation to the growth of the green portfolio, Gabriel, I'm going to mention what was the expansion that we had recently. We we used to have a capacity so far of 200,000 tons. We increased to 260 tons. And considering all the expertise and the operational efficiency of the operating teams, will be able to run that plant at a higher capacity, namely 270 tons. And if we're saying that if I consider all the projects that we have, Thailand or maybe a project that we want to build in the future because we want to have this biochemical industry for the future, and Brazil will have a special way of looking at the company's transformation.

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So let's think about 1,000,000,000 tonnes is our goal. We have about 300,000, green ethane, about 500 tonnes. So that would amount to 800,000 tonnes use using the expansion that was related to the project that we had in the South Of Brazil. Thank you, Gabriel.

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Just to add, Gabriel, because what Rosanna said is very on point. But just to add, we have mentioned this last time we were here talking about strategic guidance and results for the end of twenty twenty four. And with our our, directives, specifically fly up to green and looking at what we have in Rio Grande do Sul and the expansion of other sites as well for feedstock from sugarcane, both in Brazil and Thailand as well as in The United States. All of these points together can create a company, let's call it Grinko, where we will perform all this expansion of the petrochemical initiatives from Braskem that we will be called Braskem Green in the future. This is being aligned with a number of different investors that are interested in this capacity.

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And the funding for that, to answer your question, in addition to what Rosanna just said, would also come from capital inputs, inflows from investors that go not just to the company, but also to the project in Thailand, in The US, and in Brazil as well. And also, lastly, other funding sources that would that we would use under the same structure as we did when we created the project in Mexico using a, a nonrecourse funding so that we could use it without having too much of an impact on the company's leverage. Alright. Thank you, Felipe and Rosanna.

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Our next question comes from Casio Vasconcelos with UBS. Casio, you may proceed, sir.

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Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two actually, I have one follow-up and another question about CapEx. Roberto, I'd like to touch on the comments about the down and low cycles and initiatives to mitigate those effects and reduce cash burn.

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We know that some units operate at lower margins and some even potentially in the negative. And we know that Rosanna already mentioned this, but I'd like to go back and better understand how you view the potential to close certain capacities and what the order of preference would be in what regions and maybe what products. And at the same time, how have your discussions been going with the government to try to claim back some benefits from the past such as RAIC and also the PreSeq benefit and maybe delaying or even reducing the export tariffs that was, something you achieved a few months ago? And, also, my next question to follow-up on the CapEx. You mentioned the graph showing the drop in CapEx over the past few years.

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I'd like to understand if that level of CapEx that you are looking at for '25 is sustainable for '26 and also for 2027 in the event that this down scenario persists over these two years? And, what about, catch up catching up, during these years? Thank you. Alright. So I'll begin with that one then.

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The fact that we are running our centers and sites for PE, PP, and PVC at reduced capacities allows us to expand and expand and prolong these sites. Usually, they would run for five years at 90% capacity. Today, they're running at 70% capacity. This means that we have less wear and tear on the machines, and so we can extend up to eight years is what we've seen in Brazil. The Mexico plant is coming up to nine years now running nonstop without any maintenance downtime.

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So spacing out the downtime allows us to naturally have a lower CapEx. It's a consequence thereof. So we're being very objective as to how we titrate production. When we look at our capital budget, our projects over the year, We rank these projects by a number of different, methods. Firstly, by tier, by by VPL.

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Here at Braskem, we have an indicator that we created. No one's ever written about that. It's VPL over VPI. So a present value over the investment value. These investments take a number of years to come to fruition, maybe two or three years, but there's an aspect that's important, which is materiality.

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So in a situation where we sacrifice cash, such as we are now, it's only natural for you to direct your investments to those that produce not necessarily the highest tier, but rather the greatest contribution in cash generation, instant generation. So it's a concept that I refer to as materiality that links projects to the company's EBITDA capacity or to the company's assets. In other words, we really are ceasing to perform engage in some projects that may have good results, but that don't necessarily increase our cash generation and consequently don't necessarily improve the company's situation overall. This we need to look at whether this is structural or specific. And at the time, it is currently specific.

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This will occur until we recover a healthier cash situation. So I would not perpetuate $400,000,000 of CapEx over the next few coming years because we're certainly going to see different things. I'm not talking about new structural projects, but normal projects. We will continue to invest in the future, and it's going to be at higher levels, at higher volumes. But $400,000,000 is a healthy amount for us to invest and direct to projects that have the greatest capacity of having the biggest impact on our results.

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With regard to the tariffs, our view has always been that these tariff fights, these imbroglios may lead to, at some point, the different parties being involved therein, we always knew that some kind of an agreement would be reached. And what we saw this past weekend certainly meets that. The several days that we've seen the the month that we've seen of tariff fights has, we could say that it's, it can be described as a sort of give and take, and our, our knowledge, we know we we are confident that neither The US nor China wants to see, both of both economies plummeting. And in the in Trump won, what we saw is that The US and China did reach an agreement. So what we're mostly concerned about is China imposing tariffs on ethane coming from The US and vice versa.

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China imports 18,000,000 tons of ethane from The US per year. It is not yet self sufficient in PE. It also imports PE from The US. And if, let per chance, let's say, it needed to retaliate and impose a 25% tariffs on that imported ethane, then PE production in China would be severely harmed. Now the Chinese government did not impose that 25% tariff.

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So after a small initial hiccup and a pause to it and see what happens, we see that now that industry is resuming exuberantly. Now with regard to polypropylene, the Chinese government did not announce that it would not impose the 25% tariffs. Now I imagine that given this weekend's discussion, things are going to progress such that these, tariffs will not occur. Because we know that China imports roughly a hundred million tons of PPE per year, and, certainly, it it has an a a surplus of PPE, and it exports that to many countries, including here in Brazil. And so, therefore, after these, after this, sensing fight between the countries, we believe that the effect on the competitivity of the different actors is going to exist in the different margins.

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So someone who's competitive may become less competitive, and someone who is not currently competitive may come to be a little bit more competitive. I think the major, players who feel the impact are going to be the European installations, the European sites, because they will need to coexist with a structural, change and specifically a marked increase in the cost of energy in Europe, and this is structural. It is not specific. I think the biggest losers in all of this after after the end of the day, after things have, settled down, is going to be Europe and not Brazil, not China, and not The US. I think I was able to answer broadly.

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Just to, to follow-up, what about the closing of capacity in Europe? Would that be a priority for you over the closure in Brazil or The US? Well, we don't have any plans to increase capacity in Europe, but rather we will keep our business there, always striving for the best feedstocks and best material. I'll answer your other question too on that note. Before we think about closing capacity, we will always first try to alter the mix of feedstock.

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That's structural. This holds for the case of the replacements, the substitutions that we're doing in Brazil that Rosanna mentioned, replacing naphtha with ethane. So we're working at 1010% levels in Bahia. We're experimenting with up to 30%. In the South, 1 of our plants can process propane, so we will seek out propane, whether that's from Brazil or imported from Argentina through Lagoa Dos Patos, from the former Cope Sul organization.

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But it's also possible we're we're not ruling out the, seeking of feedstock from Bahia. So we may reduce the use of naphtha in Bahia and start consuming ethanol. We can build a dehydration plant in Bahia so that we can work with that feedstock. So closing a plant is always the last case scenario. We're always going to start thinking about different alternative feedstock.

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That's always what we want. We don't want to change our installed capacity. Instead, we will first try to make investments that will allow us to either replace feedstock or have two sources of feedstock. For instance, today, given the comparative advantage, it's beneficial to use ethane. But in the future, let's say that given the electrification process of the different modes of transportation, we reduce the use of gasoline, this may cause a surplus of gasoline, which is the cousin of naphtha.

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So that could lead to a drop in NAFTA prices. And so that could mean that NAFTA will be more competitive in the future than it is today. And if our sites can have a different breadth of options to choose from, then that will allow us to capitalize on these possibilities. So above all, creating flexibility and to switching our feedstocks are certainly our priorities in order to bring more flexibility to our asset. And the last case scenario is always going to be closing down a site that cannot become more competitive through options one and two.

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Thank you. That was very clear. Hi, Roberto. Hi, Felipe. Hi, Rosanna.

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Good to talk to all of you. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two questions as well. The first, I know we've discussed spreads extensively and competitivity as well, but I'd like to get your take over the past few years about the fact that brass cam, when we look at the cost curve in the industry, brass cam has lost competitivity due to several reasons, including alagoas, also combined with the downward cycle. This this partially, complicated the company's efforts.

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Maybe also with the introduction of other players in Asia that are gas based. So could you please add a little bit more context to what you've already said and the with regard to the company's position in the global cost curves. So how do you believe that Braskem today, finds itself overall? And the second question was with regard to leverage. I believe the company has done great work over the past two years to extend the debt profile.

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Braskem does have a leverage problem, but it does not have a liquidity problem. But we start to see this delay in the cycle's reversion as a potential liquidity problem. So there is a short term cash situation, but there's also a standby issue that could be very relevant for 2027. So I wonder if this standby has some kind of cover? Let's say if it goes past a certain level, the that funding will not be available.

Moderator

How do you see that liquidity status for the company? Hi, Luis. Good afternoon. This is Felipe. I'll take your second question first with regard to leverage, and I'll leave the competitivity matter to Roberto.

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He can highlight all of the work that has been done in that regard in positioning the company and really touches on everything we've been saying about the transformation plan that really aims to transform ResCam and make it increasingly more competitive. So with regard to leverage, your assessment is correct when you say that the company currently has a high level of leverage largely as a result of things that occurred in the past and debt that we took on in order to meet our different obligations. And that's also why when we think about competitivity and the transformation plan, we effectively create value for the company so that Braskem can meet every one of its obligations. I would say that we have shorter term measures given that all of this CapEx and transformations, they all take some more time to really materialize and for that economic value to be converted into financial value. So we have been working on competitivity, as Roberto explained in a lot of detail, in the Brazilian industry.

Moderator

Every improvement that we perceive and that we receive, so import tariffs, antidumping, rake, investments. And in the future, the I mean, this is a an agenda that has started with Przyk. But in all, terms, this brings a lot of, freedom to our company's cash flow. Now this line of credit is available to the company. It can be, withdrawn, so to speak.

Moderator

We did make a withdrawal during the pandemic. We know that often there's some kind of, condition tied to these incentives, but at different critical moments, we did use these possibilities and fix the problems and life goes on. So with regard to competitivity and how we intend to leverage the company, well, initially, by expanding our EBITDA so that we can effectively reduce leverage and meet our obligations. We persist in our strategy over the past few years, and I'm referring to liability management. When when we see opportunities and when we see that the market offers price and liquidity, then we work on liability management to keep postponing the coming to terms of these different instruments to the longer term, to the medium and long term.

Moderator

And at that point, we also do some kind of nonmaterial collection fundraising with so that we can, capitalize on these opportunities. So using cash to capture value and not necessarily to pay previous debts and thereby expand the company. Roberto, do you want to talk about competitivity?

Moderator

Thank you, Felipe. Thank you, Luis, for the question. Talking about competitiveness today and going back to what happened in the past few years. First, I'm going to talk about the ethane global cost curve. The we have production in of ethane in Brazil and Mexico.

Moderator

Our position used to be very competitive, and we had this elongated low cycle. And what's changed it was the oversupply that came especially from The United States. And the America petrochemical basis, as Roberto mentioned, is more competitive when compared to Brazil. Brazil has a potential of increasing the competitiveness considering the availability of ethane in Brazil. But so far, the base of feedstock in The United States is more competitive.

Moderator

And this wave was combined with an oversupply, a wave that came from China, which is related to the to from in terms of direction, it's more focused on meeting the internal demand or even related to the creation of jobs and increase the GDP. It was important to mention that because when I talk about the capacity curve in The United States, I say that, yes, these were press pressured. But when I talk about the China capacity, because this is what's likely to continue up to 02/1930, this has not put any pressure on the company's curve. And let's look at our asset base. We have four assets.

Moderator

One of them is is substantially focused on NAFTA in the South. The real polymers and Rio De Janeiro, propane. And in Sao Paulo, ABC Region, we have a combination between NAFTA and URL that brings some competitiveness. And Bahia that I mentioned previously, it has a flexibilization. We have options to use either ethane or naphtha as part of our production of ethane.

Moderator

So what am I saying those details individually? Because at the end of the day, our decision in sales and production is the combined aspects of the Brazilian reality. When I look at the cash cost of Brazil in a combined way, of course, we received some pressure because of The United States, but we are in the third or fourth quartile in the consolidated result. We are not very happy with all the result, as Roberto said. This is why it is so important to have an initiative such as the flexibilization because we are going to have an option.

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So I'm going to use naphtha when it's more competitive as we had in one off situations when petrochemical has chemical has some more advantages. So we have this positive credit, and we're going to be looking at that. But we believe that it's going NAFTA is going to continue to be more competitive in the long run. But regardless of whether we are right or the consultancy company made made the right decision, we have this balance in terms of NAFTA. Can you hear me? Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. Just go ahead. Okay.

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So let's go back. As I was saying, it's the following. Regardless of what future we'll bring in terms of stability or instability and future demand, we have to find a better balance with flexibility, and that is translated into resiliency in our results. And this will bring more resilience when we generate EBITDA for the company. And from the viewpoint of the necessary resources for this transformation to materialize, especially in Brazil, we are going to have more leverage with the programs that we have to incentivize the chemical and petrochemical industries in Brazil whose purpose is to reduce this competitive gap compared to the other economies, considering that our sector dynamics is global.

Moderator

It's not limited to Brazil. So it's very important to preserve this competitiveness in the Brazilian, industry.

Moderator

Excellent. Thank you. Let me just add my 2¢ to what Rosanna and Felipe said. It's true that our crackers are distributed among the cash cost curve. The Mexico cracker is in the first quartile.

Moderator

It's one of our most modern installations with a % ethane. And now that the terminal was inaugurated last week, we are now going to receive enough ethane to fill our plants at lower cost than we had been paying in our Fast Track project. To compensate for the fact that Pemex had never sent us the volume of gas that we had contracted from them. The RIIO project is in the second quartile, but the expansion of the RIIO project is going to reduce the cost per produced ton. In other words, by adding two new furnaces, we are going to increase to 700,000 tons a year, we're also going to gain competitivity in the current 560,000 tons a year in the existing furnaces.

Moderator

Of course, the more your production, the lower your production cost per ton. Now the crackers that are naphtha based in Rio Grande do Sul and Bahia, For those, we will seek to replace the feedstock as we were discussing. For example, in Rio Grande do Sul, we are negotiating with Petrobras to start running the Rio cracker with 100% ethane because today, as you know, it's 50%, ethane, 50% propane. When we do that, we not only improve our cost per ton in Rio De Janeiro, but we also make more feedstock available for Rio Grande do Sul so that we can replace the feedstock there. And so we gain we it's a win win.

Moderator

We win in Rio De Janeiro, and we win in Porto Alegre because we will now be able to process propane and not naphtha there. And in Bahia, we are closer to the fourth quartile, far from the curve. We will increase the ethane participation in addition to naphtha so that we can bring those crackers back to the third quartile. And if need be, we'll replace our feedstocks. So we will stop cracking naphtha, and we'll start dehydrating ethanol to produce ethene, and from there, green polyethylene.

Moderator

In other words, all of the plates are spinning, and we're trying to attack the ones that have started slowing down. Now with regard to liability management, as Felipe mentioned, we must remember that Braskem had an effect, an extraordinary geological event that caught us right at a downward cycle. And I'm referring to the costs pertaining to stabilizing the salt, cavities in Maaseo. And when we compare Braskem and our competitors, they didn't have a $3,000,000,000 bill to pay, which we're paying. And in terms of our bottom line, this is a liability that does not yet have a corresponding asset, and that's also something we're studying.

Moderator

So Braskem's situation was heavily impacted because of the fact that we had a rise in, obligations, liabilities to pay, but the bill was only really shown us very recently. Thank you. Thank you, all of you.

Moderator

Our next question comes from Rodrigo Omeida with Santander. You may proceed, sir.

Moderator

Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. I have a few questions. I'd like to explore the Brazilian situation a little bit and try to understand with regard to the import tariffs, how you have seen the impact of those tariffs here in Brazil. We know that imports are still high, but I I think that in your release, you were able to to claim a little bit of market share.

Moderator

So could you talk a little bit about that, please? And also touch on Mexico as well. How have the recent spread pricing changes impacted the cost of products, especially Brazilian and Mexican PE? And another question about the import terminal in Mexico. Could you please help us understand the pricing structure for feedstocks?

Moderator

Do you bring them from The US? Rodrigo? Hello? I don't know if he can hear you.

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Let me send a message to him to check if he he can hear what we're saying. I would like to ask you to wait. Bear with me while I check this out. So let's wait for Rodrigo to reconnect. And meanwhile, let's move on to the next question, please.

Moderator

Our next question comes from Regis Cardoz with XP Investimentos. You may proceed, sir.

Moderator

Hi, everyone. Good afternoon, Roberto, Felipe, Rosanna. Thanks for this space. I have a a quick question and then another one. With regard to the petrochemical cycle and spreads, I'd I'd like to flip the question around and and ask the the other way around.

Moderator

I imagine that you have put lots of thought into this. What would be the level the the required level of spreads for different grades, let's say, financial comfort levels. Let's say, are there any targets for net debt, a debt EBITDA? What would that spread need to be, or what level of spreads would we need to have in order to pay all of our debt and have neutral cash after paying Alagoas? And I'll leave the open question for you to answer in the the most convenient way after your analysis.

Moderator

But above all, I mean, instead of trying to predict what the petrochemical cycle is going to be, I'd like to know what it needs to be. And the other question, I'd like to understand the dynamics between Preziq and RAC. I was reading the official terms. RAC is part of Preziq, but Preziq adds some additional benefits, but there's a limitation, a yearly limitation. But I don't fully understand how that is distributed between the different players in the industry.

Moderator

So could you just explain a little bit about the importance of RAKE and PRYSIQ and also your forecast for a timeline. And do we have an expectation a forecast for financial impact? And a third question, there was a significant burn of inventory. Was that due to a reversal in, q four? Can we expect some of that to come back in the next quarter? Rosanna, do you want to take that one?

Moderator

Sure. I'm gonna change the order a little bit. First, I'm going to talk about the inventories, and then we move on to a more conceptual level and talking about the agendas for the protection of the chemical industry in Brazil. In relation to inventory levels, there was a consumption of 1,000,000 of finished products, which are the inventory in transit for this quarter. As an example, 50% of the feedstock comes imported in through Braskem trading ship.

Moderator

But let me focus on the finished product. We increased this inventory level a little bit since we are going to have an important planned stoppage in the petrochemical of Rio de Janeiro. And I'm also going to link to what Roberto answered in the previous question, mentioning the importance of this asset to Brazil because it's the most competitive asset for the company. And by the way, this effect can also be observed in the cash flow in Mexico, which is also a very competitive asset because we are going to have the first planned stoppage for the polymers in and also in Mexico. And these were the main effect in relation to the inventory consumption that you asked.

Moderator

In relation to Preziki and Hague, at the end of the day, we are a participant of this agenda. It's an agenda that has been led by ABICI, which is the Brazilian Association of Brazilian Chemical Industry, and it's important to understand the context that the chemical industry in Brazil is going through. If we look at the operational tech rate of the industry, it's probably one of the lowest level in history due to competitors or Brazil cost or maybe competition come from different regions. I may mention the situation of the the industry as a whole. So HAEK and PRASIC are there to bring this competitiveness of the Brazilian chemical industry.

Moderator

Our chemical sector, to answer more broadly, is totally global globalized. There's no dynamics for the Brazilian market. There is rather a die global dynamics that is seen from the point of view of cost, and we see what is the price that is being applicable. So these are fronts that have been led by Abiquin for a while. And Brasco and the Brazilian chemical industry would account for I don't know the exact number, but it accounts for 11% of the industrial share of Brazil, and it's very structuring.

Moderator

And HAEK and PRASIC would meet the needs of this gap in competitiveness in Brazil. HAEK is a special regime of the Brazilian industry, chemical industry. It's related to the purchase of feedstock, both in Brazil or from abroad. So when we are purchasing when the products are being purchased, we have a more broader way to look at that. And we have this affected in the Brazil cost when we compare to the other elements.

Moderator

HEC was created in 02/2013. The rate at that time when it was created was 1.2 at the time. And this was related to cost of Brazil, and there was a threat from the American producer such as shale gas. It would have to look at the regions which are closer, such as Brazil. And Hague in 02/1930 estimated the reduction in time because we would have conditions to make investments in Brazil, and we have a feedstockcom in a competitive manner available in Brazil.

Moderator

So those arguments are even valid today and a bit more depreciated when I say that the shale gas is no longer a threat, but it's a reality, as Roberto mentioned before, considering the exports from The United States. So so PEC is addressed, and the PISCOFINS taxes no longer exist after the tax reform. So what we have is an expansion of this rate tax to eighty twenty five when it was first created. And as of 2027, there is the concept of credit financial credit since we no longer have fiscal fees taxes. It's a way to ensure the competitiveness of the chemical and petrochemical in Brazil that for in the past few years, different reasons, maybe the competition from China or other factors to ensure the competitiveness of the Brazilian chemical industry, which is a a sector which is very important to the structure of Brazil.

Moderator

When you talk about the spreads, the cycles, what I can say is the following. Breast chem is part of a sector that involve the cycles, that has the foundation of global dynamics at play. So dynamics is global, and it's not only Brazilian. It's totally global. And we define our leverage ratio levels, our indebtedness levels, considering what would be the average for the cycle.

Moderator

So this is what I'm going to consider in relation to your question. Let's say net debt of the company ex Braskem Indesa. So when I talk about credit, I'm referring to ex Braskem Ex Idesa. It was 6.6. And if we consider the cycle, the historical cycles, the normal would be $2,500,000,000 And assuming that today, as a reference, we have a net debt EBITDA of 2.5 times.

Moderator

If we consider 2,000,000,000 and a half of EBITDA, which would be the low range in the historical levels, it would be $6.2 So our net debt is nowadays, it's completely aligned with what would be a normalized cycle. So answering your question, when do you believe that these normal levels will be reached? So this is the major question. So today, when we consider that no rationalization important of the industry, because this is something we cannot control, Of course, we haven't observed major companies at the global level announcing, hibernations and closures of plants. But considering the increased level of demand, which less intensive when we consider the historical levels, we see that the cycle resumption will take about three and four years, again, considering, not considering any important rationalization way of looking at that.

Moderator

When I look at a regular normal result in considering the low levels, I will take as a reference 02/2019, which was the first year where we have a low cycle. And the business of green businesses, the business proposal of the green aspect was not very clear, so the result was much lower. Today, the contribution is much more important nowadays. And after 2019, we started a new plant at The United States. So this amount that would be considered to be normal would be close to $2,000,000,000 And that would reach cash breakeven level, which would be something normal for the lower cycle and a lower leverage ratio between three and 3.5x.

Moderator

Perfect, Rosanna. Thank you. Our next question comes from Rodrigo Meda with Santander. You may proceed, sir.

Moderator

Good afternoon, everyone. Once again, I'll restart because I don't know if I was able to to get my question across. My first question is, with vis a vis the import tariffs in Brazil over the past few months, have you seen any impact on market share? I'd like to hear your take on that. And also, I'd like to understand how shipping prices have impacted the status of Mexican products here in Brazil and in Mexico.

Moderator

And my second question is about the import terminal or export terminal in Mexico. Could you tell us a little bit about how that has impacted your feedstocks? Is there any mid to long term forecast contracts and volumes? It'd be very good to understand how that project is coming along. Sure.

Moderator

I'll begin, Rodrigo. And then, Rosanna, you can come in talking about the import tariffs. Because overall, yes, we have we already do see an impact, but we can give more detail. With regard to Mexico and our transformation plan, we've been performing, as we've also been, discussing, an internal project to purchase these vessels through a leasing contract to carry out ethane and also in the future, NAFTA contracts. In Mexico, the first vessel arrived in February of twenty five, and the second vessel is scheduled to arrive in q two of twenty five.

Moderator

So that answers precisely your question. That's the backdrop to this program that's called seas of the future. This has been approved by the administration board a little bit more than a year ago, forecasting that these spreads would be increasingly higher as a result of the lower availability of vessels of that category around the world. So we are well positioned there. We have started reaping these rewards by reducing the amount that we pay.

Moderator

Of course, we still pay a little bit because we don't have all of the necessary shipping capacity, but we have improved that. It is improving, and it's going to have a significant impact. With regard to your second question and the strategy to purchase ethane from The US, as you know, one of the companies in our group is Braskem Trading and Shipping, BTNS, located in The Netherlands, and they have a a trade desk focused specifically on these operations. So that includes spot and short term contracts and also mid and long term contracts. All of that is held within that cell that that houses our knowledge that we call BTS.

Moderator

They are contracted by Braskem EDESA to manage the purchase of feedstock in the best possible way, in the most optimized way, and combining a short, medium, and long term portfolio. Ro, could you tell us a little bit about import tariffs?

Moderator

Yes. Of course. A reminder in relation to Mexico, the operations have started. It was a very important investment that we ensure operational availability and imports more than we need. So at the end of the transformation, we are going to evaluate a possible expansion at the right moment.

Moderator

Only a reminder, we have a planned maintenance shutdown. As I mentioned before, the first one since we started the project. So about forty or forty five minutes is going to stop for a while. We have been building the inventory. But when we talk about running at 100%, this would happen after 2026 only.

Moderator

Your question in relation to freight price. For different reasons, we saw along the time, the past few years, we saw logistics disruption. The most of them come from the Red Sea conflict that was supporting the freights, Brazil, Asia more than normal levels. What we haven't been observing the past few months, and we also heard some news of possible truce in the region on the part of The United States. So we had been observing the normal situation in relation to those spreads.

Moderator

So Rodrigo, that imports parity that we mentioned that had this positive effect because, without a doubt, if our client is importing, the freight would be paid. And we have been observing these normal levels being materialized that had brought some positive results last year. In terms of market share, of course, we have been observing this. And my answer is considering that we were expecting what would be the market share of the company, considering our commercial strategy that we have adopted. And as a reminder that our focus is to meet the Brazilian market, the domestic market.

Moderator

When we talk about the Brazilian production, this is the major focus of the company at all times. This is the natural choice for the company. But what when I compare the goals that we had, we observed that the market share was a bit higher than we had for the year. It's difficult if the effect was the market share because there's uncertainties. There are different demands, many variables, effects, variations.

Moderator

But we can say that we have been very successful, especially because, in fact, we want to be the client's natural choice, and the commercial team has been working very hard on this to meet our Brazilian clients the best possible way. Great. Thank you, Rosanna. Thanks, everyone. Our next question comes from Leonardo.

Moderator

Please let me just, butt in for a moment because I want to add something to, to answer Rodrigo. I'd like to suggest that all of you, when you think about our switch to gas and fly up to green strategy, we it's a feedstock replacement strategy. We'll replace naphtha with gas initially, and then we'll replace ga naphtha with ethanol. And then in the future, we'll also replace gas with ethanol. In other words, Braskem is not interested in expanding its naphtha processing capacity.

Moderator

In theory, if someone were to offer us more naphtha to build another battery of crackers, naphtha based crackers, we would say thank you, but no thank you. Our first primary focus is on increasing our gas processing, whether that's replacing naphtha with gas or creating additional gas capacity. As Rosanna mentioned, our Mexico terminal is going to allow us to store 88,000 barrels per day of liquid ethane. And our processing capacity for a full plant is 66,000 barrels a day. So that means we have a surplus of 14,000 barrels a day to store liquid ethane.

Moderator

This would allow us to bring the Mexico plant to, over a million tons a year, a 60, if we were to cap everything out a %. Certainly, this would lead us to, we would need to build another polyethylene plant in that hypothesis. And in Rio, we also have a lot of production in storage. So our first focus is on increasing gas, proportionately reducing naphtha, and in the future, which for me is the future of Raskin, is to progressively convert away from ethanol because it's a chemical, no longer petrochemical, but just chemical feedstock that will give way to the industry of the future.

Moderator

Our next question comes from Leonardo Marconz with Bank of America. You may proceed, sir.

Moderator

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Many of them have been answered already. So I just I have a few, mostly focusing on The US and Europe. We saw a negative margin, and one of the explanations for that was the drop in polypropylene prices.

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And in this quarter, the price of, propylene rose, and we also saw a relatively low margin compared to other quarters. So I'm wondering, could you give us a little bit of context about the effect during the quarter? Because it would be very interesting for us to better understand the effects of the dynamics of polypropylene on the results in this segment. Thank you. Do you want to start? And I'll add on. Rosanna?

Moderator

Thank you, Leo, for the question. You're right. When you say that we came from 10,000 million dollars and this semester was 20,000 million dollars We had some nonrecurring effect, but your question in relation to propane will be answered looking at The United States. Considering the materiality because the production capacity is higher in The United States, and the propane dynamics has a positive and negative effect. This is what I'm going to explain.

Moderator

In The United States, we are the largest producer of polypropylene, and therefore, we are the major purchasers of propane. And as a result, we have long term agreements and many agreements, and we have many agreements whose source of feedstock is different from the refinery or from a petrochemical complex or from a propane dehydrogenator. And the flexibility, which is one of the major differentiate differentiators that we have, we have, virtual integration. Since we have different sources, we have a level of, integration. So this is what I refer to as virtual integration.

Moderator

When the propane price increases, which is the main feedstock of polypropylene, I have more flexibility when I purchase feedstock considering all these assets and the cost for polymerization and everything else. Why do not we do not see this effect so much since the propane increased? Because along with the quarter, we had some planned shutdowns and some unplanned shutdowns from our some of our suppliers. So this flexibilization was limited if we consider those planned and unplanned shutdowns that we had along the quarter. So at the end of the day, when whenever propane increases, We expect to have even more positive result considering the difference that we have in The United States associated with the flexibilization of supply and sources of feedstock as well.

Moderator

I'd just like to add. The sources of propylene are essentially from refineries, from naphtha cracking, or from dehydrogenating propane. The major growth of the supply of propylene in The US came from new propane dehydrogenation plants. Actually, the plant that we built in Lacroix was to consume feedstock coming in from dehydrogenation units. These these plants are difficult to run.

Moderator

There are people who can run them very well and other people who really have a hard time. So you've got an offer of propylene that is very variable due to the effectiveness of the dehydrogenation plants. When it comes to using the propylene, we use it to create polypropylene. We also use it for the acrylate for the whole acrylate chain, and you can also use it to ankylate, different products. So if you reduce the use of gasoline in The US, you're going to have less less feedstock, less propylene because you will use that feedstock to produce the, the gas that is used.

Moderator

As a result, you'll have a drop in the price of propylene in The US and more competitivity in propylene production there. And we have our assets there, and we will always value and prioritize our assets. And so we have a very large propylene plant in The US, and I'm confident that there, we can increase the production of polypropylene. Recently, we took upon ourselves a challenge of increasing our production capacity, which may even surpass the installed capacity because there's always a little bit of headroom for any of these plants. So our challenge is going to be on demand to have sufficient demand for us to increase production, which is always the case in an instance like ours.

Moderator

The more you increase production capacity and production itself, the lower costs we will have because indirect costs are better absorbed, and so you become more competitive and more profitable. Thank you. That's very clear. Thank you.

Moderator

We end now the q and a session. Breskin's video conference has come to an end. We would like to thank everyone, and have a good afternoon, everyone.

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