NASDAQ:XGN Exagen Q1 2025 Earnings Report $6.98 -0.28 (-3.86%) Closing price 06/12/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$6.98 0.00 (0.00%) As of 08:39 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Exagen EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.20Consensus EPS -$0.20Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPS-$0.19Exagen Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$15.50 millionExpected Revenue$14.55 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$946.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AExagen Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/12/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateMonday, May 5, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsExagen's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, August 4, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 9:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Exagen Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Exagen Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:21I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Ryan Douglas, Investor Relations for Exagen Inc. Thank you. You may begin. Ryan DouglasDirector, Investor Relations at Exagen00:00:31Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Earlier today, Exagen Inc. Released financial results for the quarter ended 03/31/2025. Sean Abali, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Jeff Black, our Chief Financial Officer, will host this morning's call. A recording of today's call and the press release announcing the quarterly results can be found on the company's website at www.exogen.com. Ryan DouglasDirector, Investor Relations at Exagen00:00:57As today's call includes forward looking statements, we encourage you to review the statements contained in today's press release and the risks and uncertainties described in our SEC filings, which identify certain factors that may cause the company's actual events, performance and results to differ materially from those contained in the forward looking statements made on today's call. In addition, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures on this call. Descriptions of these non GAAP financial measures and reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP financial measures are included in today's press release. I will now turn the call over to John. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:01:35Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining the call today. It's exciting to be reporting our first quarterly results with the impact of our new markers, and we are seeing fantastic results. We plan to touch on that along with providing additional color around the debt refinance we announced last week. We have a lot going on at the company. We're off to a great start, and it's an exciting time. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:01:57I'll detail a few critical topics relevant to our success and then turn the call over to Jeff for further detail on our financial performance over the last few months. To start, we delivered our ninth consecutive quarter of increasing trailing twelve month ASP, and we're incredibly proud of the progress we've made over the last two plus years. Our revenue cycle operations continue to improve, and Jeff will provide additional commentary, but we are methodically growing our per case reimbursement and have started to generate real momentum with our market access efforts. I tend to shy away from describing activity as I believe cash in the door is what really matters, but I think it's important to highlight that we have started to win administrative law judge or ALJ hearings as part of our strategic reimbursement efforts. To explain a bit more, over the course of the last couple of years, we sought to elevate our appeals efforts to that of an external review by a neutral third party. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:03:00This takes a lot of time and diligence and is a learning process for each product we offer as we fine tune the packet of information we submit based on feedback throughout the process. This past quarter, we successfully won our first ALJ hearing, which was a formal hearing of a Medicare Advantage denial that we initiated as part of our ongoing efforts. The case was originally denied due to a medical policy determination at a large national insurer, and we petitioned the court for review in order to have this patient's case treated similar to other Medicare claims as it's entitled to. We've won the case and are highly encouraged by this effort as it starts to set a precedent for future appeals. We have several other hearings planned in the weeks ahead, and a few are with the same judge. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:03:49So we're highly encouraged by this progress and look forward to future wins. These wins provide reimbursement for that individual case but also factor into our longer term strategy of gaining awareness at the medical director level and bringing payers to the table while building momentum and leverage. I would expect over time that continued wins at the AOJ level catalyze efforts to improve medical policy with a broad set of payers. And we will see how long it takes, but this is a very good sign. Additional momentum was gained this quarter by securing positive medical policy with TRICARE, under which all active duty service members, retirees, and their families receive civilian medical care. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:04:35We recently concluded a two year effort where we underwent medical policy review through their formal process and advised CTD was granted positive medical policy. We are finalizing the contract efforts to ensure streamlined billing transactions, but this should be a catalyst for increased ASP in the future. These updates will be few and far between as, again, I believe the most relevant metric is still the trailing twelve month ASP. But both of these efforts have strategic implications relevant to the approach we've outlined over the past two years and are important milestones on their own. And lastly, regarding ASP progress, we continue to expect the incremental boost of our trailing twelve month ASP from the launch of our new markers to be approximately $90 by the end of the year. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:05:25And with the momentum and real results I just described, we remain highly optimistic to meet our goal of adjusted EBITDA positivity by year end. Our growth this quarter was fueled by a combination of continued gains in ASP but also volume, which was very exciting to see and was in part the result of our new biomarker launch. This past quarter, volume grew 6% over our Q4 performance. Our sales team is highly energized by the rapid adoption and favorable response to the reinvigorated VIVE CTD. In Q1, we launched our new markers, but we also spent a considerable amount of time training the team on the enhanced value proposition. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:06:10I believe these efforts, along with fantastic preparation by our marketing and customer service teams, have enabled a highly successful launch with significant energy and excitement that is likely to persist. Additionally, our new head of sales, JR, has been on board now for about nine months, and his impact is starting to yield results. Our sales team is more focused on selling, and we've removed as many of the administrative efforts from the role as possible. Of note, we are hiring as well and have started to source talent for two expansion territories. If you're good at sales, hardworking, great at solving complex problems, have a dose of humility, and operate with integrity, we'd love to have you join our team and help us build something special as we work to serve the rheumatology community. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:07:01As we've seen with the broader organization, the stability of our team and reduced personnel turnover yield results. Our sales organization used to have voluntary turnover rates north of 30% just a few years back. Today, we have trailing twelve month voluntary turnover within our sales organization of 7%, and that includes one recent retirement. Congrats again, Bonnie. You've earned it. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:07:27The progress in building a mission driven culture that rewards performance is evident in the positive trend these numbers illustrate. I'm very proud of the team we have. It's energizing to see the volume growth associated with having the right team in place with stability. We expect volume to continue to grow and have a couple more expansion territories identified, which we anticipate opening for recruitment in the next couple of months. More to come, but it's great to see new clinicians incorporating the Advise CTD test into their clinical practice and increased adoption within our existing physician base. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:08:03We are very pleased with the volume trend we're seeing to start the year. As we continue to turn around the operational performance of our organization, we recently improved our financial position with a new credit facility from Perceptive Advisors, an exceptional business partner and highly credible life sciences investor. As a reminder, we had a $20,000,000 loan that was maturing in April of twenty six. While we anticipate being free cash flow positive by this time, the amortization schedule was over a ten month period and too aggressive for our anticipated ability to service the debt. When Jeff joined the organization last year, this was a primary priority for him, and he did a fantastic job engaging with Rob at Credo one eighty to help us navigate the market and find a great partner to achieve the flexibility we needed in refinancing our debt obligations. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:08:57I should also mention that we are excited to have the optionality of the current facility to tap into additional minimally dilutive capital should we desire as we continue to shape our organization to be the preeminent provider of proprietary testing in the autoimmune space. We are very grateful to Sam and his team at Perceptive for partnering with us and building something special here and now have the flexibility to pursue profitability and ultimately deleverage on our own time line and capitalize on growth opportunities in a way which maximizes shareholder returns. Our efforts to develop future innovations, which will drive growth, continue with our next set of seronegative markers, expected to launch around the end of this year. We've been working to clinically validate the utility of these markers over the past several months, and their contribution to clinical practice should mirror that of our recently launched RA33 markers. We expect to gain approximately eight percent in overall sensitivity for identifying patients with rheumatoid arthritis who would otherwise be serologically benign. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:10:05The sensitivity gain puts our overall ability to detect the rheumatoid arthritis patient population at approximately eighty five percent, far above conventional markers alone. This strong clinical value proposition should continue to open up a market for us, which we believe is approximately three times larger than the market for lupus diagnostics alone and will be accretive to ASP. Additionally, our efforts to develop diagnostics for detection and management of lupus nephritis patients continue to track well. And we have now designed, and with a partner manufactured, a custom array specific to the first version of our assay, which was developed in conjunction with the team at Johns Hopkins. This paired down array will enable throughput at much higher volume with lower COGS, while focusing on the key relevant biomarkers for this disease application. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:10:58We are currently testing the newly customized array and plan to have results in Q3. We are also actively engaged in the biopharma level to find partners interested in leveraging this technology. More to come. Strategically, we have been advancing efforts to develop early markers of kidney disease while we pursued applications in lupus nephritis. The results from these efforts are very encouraging, and our chief medical officer, Doctor. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:11:25Mike Nirenberg, recently presented the findings from three clinical validations at the annual Chronic Kidney Disease Drug Development Summit in Boston A Couple Months ago. This work includes the profiling of two separate NIH cohorts and a lupus nephritis cohort, where we've shown great discriminating power for our proprietary analytes in identifying early disease while outperforming the current standard of care. We look forward to continued validation of this technology and are actively pursuing biopharma partners through our business efforts. In general, our R and D pipeline continues to advance impactful technology in multiple areas of significant clinical need. Additionally, we continue our efforts to develop signatures of disease activity in both SLE and rheumatoid arthritis. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:12:14But maybe the most important point I want to make here is that we have now successfully demonstrated a capability to bring novel biomarkers to the clinic with the current Exagen team and done so in a reasonable time period with a prudent level of resources. Our internal teams have had to refine and build this skill, and the past twelve months have demonstrated a proficiency for doing so. I'm very proud of the teams for their work in this area, and we have exciting opportunities in our pipeline, which we expect will have significant impact on patients and clinicians down the line. I'll now turn the call over to Jeff to provide additional details on this quarter's financial performance. But suffice it to say, I'm very enthusiastic about the track record our company has had and the track our company is on. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:13:02We have what is shaping up to be a phenomenal year ahead of us, and we continue to generate momentum in our business. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:13:09Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. 2025 is off to a strong and exciting start. We're eager to keep building on this momentum throughout the year. We've made great progress on our financial objectives over the past quarter. Notably, as John mentioned, the launch of our new biomarkers and early read on expanded ASP puts our profitability goals well within reach, and we remain fully focused on achieving them. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:13:35And our new credit facility with Perceptive Advisors extends maturity of our prior term debt, ensuring runway to sustaining free cash flow positivity while also providing flexibility to further accelerate growth initiatives on a minimally dilutive basis. Diving into the details of the first quarter, beginning with revenue, we achieved record revenue of $15,500,000 representing a nearly 8% increase compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four. This growth was driven primarily by continued expansion of our advised CTD trailing twelve month average selling price now at $419 per test, thanks to the addition of our new markers. We also saw a modest uptick in testing volume both year over year and sequentially. Volume expansion will continue to be a key focus for us throughout 2025. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:14:30To give you further color on ASP, our early read on new biomarker reimbursement of $90 per revised CTE aligns with our initial expectations. And while it's too early to make a call on our longer term expectations, we're encouraged by early traction. Given that these new biomarkers were reflected for only a partial quarter, the $90 per test translated to about a $15 increase in our trailing twelve month ASP. It will take the remainder of twenty five before the full impact of these new markers is reflected in our trailing twelve month ASP. And we continue to see opportunities to expand ASP through enhanced appeals and market access efforts. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:15:18Moving on to our operating performance. Gross margin for the first quarter was 58.9%, slightly down from 59.6% in 2024, and we expect gross margin to improve steadily throughout 2025 as ASP expands. Notably, there were three transitory headwinds that had a short term gross margin impact in the first quarter. First, as we noted in our fourth quarter call, we've invested ahead of the curve in lab operations to accommodate the new biomarker launch and our anticipated volume increases in 2025. Second, we launched the new markers in late January, so the impact was reflected for only a partial quarter. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:16:02And third, for most of our existing client direct bill contracts, the new marker pricing had not yet been updated for the full quarter. In these cases, we absorbed the cost of running the new markers but did not report or bill out the results and therefore didn't realize the margin impact of the expanded ASP. The good news here is that the majority of those contracts have now been amended to reflect the new pricing. In fact, if the full quarter of Avaya CTD volume reflected the benefit of the new biomarker ASP lift, our gross margin in the first quarter would have been over 60%. We continue to expect to see gross margin expansion in the second half of twenty twenty five into the low 60% range, and we still have a line of sight to gross margin in the mid sixties over time. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:16:52Turning to expenses. Our operating expenses totaled $12,500,000 in the first quarter, representing a $900,000 and roughly 7.5 percent increase over 2024. Our r and d expenses were up about $200,000 year over year, driven primarily by increased activity in clinical studies and advancement of our pipeline. And s g and a expenses increased about $700,000 year over year largely due to personnel additions to our sales and marketing teams. We expect our operating expenses to increase moderately in absolute dollars in the near term as we execute on additional r and d pipeline initiatives, expand our sales force, and invest in infrastructure to support our expected volume of revenue growth. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:17:40But it should decrease year over year as a percentage of revenue as we see operating expense leverage in 2025 and beyond. Importantly, we have the ability to modulate spend as appropriate, and we're well positioned from a balance sheet perspective to make the investments needed to support our expected growth. Our net loss for the first quarter was $3,800,000 compared to $3,400,000 in the same period last year. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $2,500,000 versus $2,000,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Profitability remains a core focus for the company, and we expect to reach positive adjusted EBITDA by the fourth quarter of this year. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:18:22As a reminder, our adjusted EBITDA excludes stock comp expense since it's noncash. And please refer to our earnings release issued earlier today for a reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to net loss. Shifting to our balance sheet, we ended the first quarter of twenty twenty five with cash and cash equivalents of just over $11,000,000 and an accounts receivable balance of just under $15,000,000. As a reminder, our strategy includes holding claims at the beginning of the year, and we fully anticipate the temporary impact this has on both cash and AR. We've since begun releasing claims, and we expect our AR balance to normalize throughout the year. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:19:06To elaborate further on this, as of the April, our combined cash and AR balance was has increased to about $28,000,000, including about a $3,000,000 increase to cash from our recent debt financing with Perceptive. On that note, as John mentioned, we're extremely pleased to bring Perceptive into the ExGen family with our recently announced credit facility. Perceptive is a widely recognized and respected life sciences investor. The new facility extends debt amortization by five years, eliminating nearly $20,000,000 in principal payments that were due in 2026 under our prior term loan. This new facility also increases potential borrowing capacity based on future milestones and strategic initiatives providing access to minimally dilutive future growth capital. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:19:59At close, we drew $25,000,000 to pre to repay our prior term debt, and we now have up to $50,000,000 available for future tranches. Up to $20,000,000 will be available in 2026 based upon achievement of revenue milestones and another up to 30,000,000 available for approved strategic transactions if such opportunities arise. Borrowings mature in April 2030 with interest only payments running through maturity. This was a great result for us. We couldn't be happier with the outcome, and we look forward to our new partnership with Perceptive as a lender and stakeholder. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:20:38To put this all into context, we're now well positioned from a balance sheet perspective with nearly 80,000,000 in combined cash, accounts receivable, and available future credit capacity as of April 30. Turning to guidance, we expect 2025 full year revenue of at least 65,000,000, and we are on track to deliver positive adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter of twenty five. In closing, 2025 is shaping up to be a pivotal year for Exagen. We're on track to deliver over 17% revenue growth. We remain focused on achieving one of the key milestones John set upon his arrival, operating a profitable company. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:21:19We're excited about the momentum we've built, and we're confident in our ability to meet and even exceed our own expectations once again just as we did in 2023 and 2024. We thank you for your continued partnership and support, and we'll now open the call for questions. Operator00:21:39Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our first question comes from the line of Kyle Mixon with Canaccord Genuity. Congrats Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:22:09on the quarter and the agreement with Percepta too. So starting off on volume, I think you talked about, okay, sequential increase by 6%. That's like kind of a modest growth of year. Good to see that growing, though. Could you just talk about your expectations for volume for the full year, how that kind of trends, I guess, quarter by quarter given this focus for you? Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:22:29And it seems like test per doc per physician is kinda stable, maybe, like like, 12 to 13 tests per doc. Like, can you just talk about if you're trying to expand that number as well? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:22:41Hey, Kyle. Good morning. Happy Cinco de Mayo. Thanks for the question. So great question. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:22:48So as it relates to volume, we're very pleased with the progress we had here in q one. I tried to provide a little bit of color, and it's it's really exciting from our standpoint to have the stability in the sales team, that we've had over the last twelve months. And and really, JR and his team have done a fantastic job, identifying the right opportunities for us. As we launched these new markers, we focused on our existing physician base. So maybe to answer your second question first, that test per physician, the key metric for us, and the numbers you you referenced are are right on, We are that is an area we expect to see grow. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:23:31And especially as we continue to penetrate into the rheumatoid arthritis market more, we do expect that number to go up. We've got we've been working on getting physicians familiar and acclimated with the new markers. You know, this is, new information where the clinical utility has to be explained, detailed, and gone over, time and again and again. And so we'll see how that pans out, for the rest of the year, but that's certainly an area of focus for us. We also are still driving expansion. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:24:00There's quite a few physicians in the rheumatology space that do not utilize Advise, and there's a a great opportunity for us. So we right now believe we service about a third of the rheumatology community. There's a referral network within there as well that is opportunistic for us. So, we'll continue to drive on both fronts. As it relates to volume overall, as you know, we don't guide specifically to volume on a quarter by quarter basis. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:24:26We do expect this to grow this year. Q one, was a great start for us, and we'll have to see kinda how how it continues on from here. January was a little light for us volume wise. It picked up towards the January. February was great, and March was fantastic. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:24:43That progress has continued here into q two. So, again, we'll have to see. We've launched our expansion, from a sales standpoint and so, territory standpoint. And so that should also continue to drive volume throughout the year, but, that's kinda how we see it. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:25:00Alright. That was great. And then just sticking on that volume theme, you know, you you had you provided some anecdotes, for example, last quarter about the in the case studies, you know, indicating that that you could actually, like, expand the reach, to physicians through different indications of autoimmune disease and things with these new markers. And I think that you referenced new markers as being the driver for the volume kind of increase this in the first quarter. So could you actually just elaborate on that and how that could progress going forward and help you drive the volume growth as well? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:25:29Yeah. So the drivers are, I think, multipronged in terms of their their impact to overall volume growth. One of them being stability of the sales team. We've talked a bit over the quarters that we've really been working to get the right team in place. So we right sized the Salesforce when I joined the organization a little over two years ago. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:25:50And then we've been working on finding the right person, for our organization, and that transition has transpired over the last, call it, twelve to eighteen months. And then you get people settling into their roles, really learning the product, and getting a familiarity with the customer base. And that stability is, really starts to pay dividends. You go from not just learning, training, acclimating to actually, being more strategic in your selling process. And that's really where I feel like we're at now with our current sales team. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:26:23It also allows us to open up opportunities for expansion as we said. The new markers specifically, as I've spoken with our sales team and and also with clinicians, it it brings an excitement to the selling process. Right? So we've got new publications that came out, here in q one. You also have a new offering. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:26:43There's a, a different selling approach. The with your physicians who have already bought in, you're still educating and bringing something new to that discussion, and that makes it much more exciting. So I think that that energy is certainly being felt, and likely to persist, and that's been a big driver as well. Not to mention that the clinical utility of the new markers expands us into the RA space, more than we had previously. So those three things I think will be pretty strong contributing factors to continued volume growth. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:27:14Perfect. And then finally for Jeff on the financials. First, have two questions. First, could you maybe parse out the prior period revenue? Just helpful to kind of know that. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:27:25And second, the adjusted EBITDA loss was a touch deeper than our model. Could you even if you keep OpEx stable going forward, it might be kind of tough to get to breakeven by 4Q. You're clearly on the path there. I'm just kind of curious how the OpEx components are working. So could you walk through maybe like gross margin going forward as well as the SG and A and R and D investments for the rest of this year? Thanks. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:27:46Sure. Hey, Kyle. So I'll I'll I'll break that up a bit. I think your first question was on, prior period cash collections. And and, again, as as we continue to to say that on a quarterly basis, those prior period cash collections are gonna fluctuate, and that will have an impact on revenue and ASP. In the fourth quarter of twenty four, for example, we had about a million dollars in in excess cash greater than twelve months. In the first quarter, '20 '5 is about half a million. Right? So that will fluctuate. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:28:18But, you know, we do still believe there's opportunity there. We're continuing to go after it aggressively, and we we consistently get better at it. It will fluctuate quarter over quarter, but it was about a half a million in in the first quarter. On your question around profitability, you know, EBITDA, OpEx, margin, I think there are a a few things that play in the first quarter that drove that EBITDA number. And the first one is, as I talked about in the call, was really the the gross margin. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:28:49Right? We we did have some, what we'll call, transitory headwinds on the gross margin. We do expect to see a nice gross margin step up at least, you know, particularly in the second half of the year. As we talked about, we did invest ahead of the curve a bit in labor and and some additional expenses to accommodate the ramp up of the new biomarkers as well as anticipated increase in volume. So we did see those expenses hit in the first quarter, and that was against a a revenue composition to where we weren't seeing the full impact of the new biomarker ASP as a result of the fact that we've we only had a partial quarter as well as some of the direct bill accounts hadn't been hadn't been fully, implemented with the new pricing. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:29:39So there was a a tail a headwind there that we expect will start to clear in the second quarter. And then just generally on OpEx, we are still we we do expect to see OpEx moderately increase. You saw that. A lot of the the incremental expense in s g and a was really around the the expansion of the commercial team and related really more to the variable comp associated with the the the step up in revenue. So we we will continue to manage that responsibly. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:30:13We do expect we'll start to see operating scale. We did see some minor scale in terms of total OpEx as a percentage of revenue year over year. We saw it tick down, and we continue to believe it will tick down. So we do think we're well positioned by the fourth quarter to be in that, you know, free cash flow positive adjusted EBITDA space. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:30:34Great. Thanks for clearing that up. Thanks, guys. Operator00:30:41Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question. Ross OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor Fitzgerald00:30:48Hey. Good morning, congrats on the results. So starting off, and I may have missed this, but do you have an update on when you to launch the second wave of RIM markers? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:30:59Hey, Ross. Good morning. So we've said approximately by year end. We think it's following a similar cycle to what we did with this last set of markers. So year end, beginning of the year is kind of right in that time frame. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:31:12Obviously, with the LDT determination by the courts there, we're not exactly beholden to New York State approval at this time for for a launch. But, in all likelihood, we would still pursue that, and launch post. So that's one aspect we can't control. It took about two months to achieve New York State approval for our last set of, LDT assays. So, you know, that's we're on a similar cadence from a development cycle. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:31:43So we'll see it, you know, towards the end of the year, perhaps into beginning of twenty six, but that would be our current expectation. Ross OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor Fitzgerald00:31:51Okay. Great. And then lastly, would you just provide some color on how you're feeling about market awareness, just meaning physician awareness, of your new enhanced tests? You know, how much groundwork are you guys gonna have to go out in terms of educating community, or do you feel like it's pretty well known following publications where people are coming to you? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:32:14That's a great question. You know? And I think it varies regionally. We have higher concentration of sales presence as it, relates to various, patient populations. So in some of the Southeast, for example, we're more highly concentrated. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:32:30And then as I'm sure you can imagine, as you start to move west, there's areas or pockets, where some rep may be covering in certain circumstances, maybe even two states or something. So, you know, in those instances, it takes a little bit more time to drive awareness, but you also have less physicians or they're more sparse. So from our standpoint, I think the awareness is reasonable amongst our physician base that was bought into and using Avyse prior to the new marker launch. And we had educational campaigns that didn't require necessarily an in person visit. So, you know, email blast, fax blast, ways to communicate outside of just the face to face. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:33:15Although, I believe, you know, internally, our strategy is to get in front of folks and actually walk them through it. I think that's, a very powerful way to educate folks regarding changes to clinical practice, you know, be able to answer questions, be able to talk through various case studies and what have you. It it really makes it a more productive or fruitful conversation. So on that front, you know, we're only two months in. We started doing a little bit of it prior to the holidays, but, this is a message that certainly has to be discussed multiple times. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:33:49And as different scenarios come up, you know, various positivity rates or, you know, the new markers end up being positive in conjunction with other markers, physicians wanna know what does that mean clinically. And so that that takes some time, and then the value proposition, starts to set in as as you have those firsthand experiences. So I think we're still pretty early. It's likely gonna take, the majority of the year to fully educate folks, but it's just a deepening of the edgy of the educational efforts. Ross OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor Fitzgerald00:34:22Great. Thank you. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:34:23Thanks, Ross. Operator00:34:27Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro with BTIG. Congrats Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:34:36on a good quarter. So in your prepared remarks, you mentioned that the facility that you have in place with Perceptive includes up to $30,000,000 available for approved strategic transactions, if opportunities arise. Can you maybe comment on what types of strategic transactions are, you know, something that you would consider? Would this be within perhaps autoimmune disease diagnostics, or could it be broader than that? And then, as far as the approval goes, I would assume that would include your board of directors. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:35:17But can you also comment about, the role that Perceptive has in determining whether or not it's approved or not? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:35:25Sure. Good morning, Mark. Thanks for the question. I'll comment, a little bit of our thinking around the strategy here, and I'll let Jeff comment on on some of the administrative, aspects of it. I guess maybe first and foremost, in this in this vein is we we did this because we wanted the flexibility. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:35:46So, you know, should we wanna draw down the additional capital, which, by the way, is is not anywhere near a given. K? But it could happen, I guess. Then we now have a clear path to it that doesn't take a ton of effort and could provide a solution regardless of the macro environment. So that's that's, why we ensured we had, this aspect to the deal. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:36:10We like the flexibility and, and are working to just have options. What type of an opportunity are we going after? I think it's highly likely be to be related to our existing business. And while we're not ready to fully divulge exactly the specifics of that comment, I think it's it's pretty reasonable to assume that it's in the autoimmune space and, related to some aspect of of biomarker development, novel biomarker development in this space. And so that leaves a pretty wide open field. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:36:42We don't see a ton of commercial ready assets, for a plug and play on a CLIA platform. But at the same time, we're always looking, always open to it, and we'll continue, our diligence there. And I think we've now that we've, gotten closer and are on the horizon of being a cash flow positive organization, I think this is the perfect time for us to establish these processes so that, so that we're ready and opportunistic when, when we can be. Jeff, do you wanna comment a little bit on the administrative approvals? Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:37:18Sure. Yeah. Mark, good morning. And, again, clearly, can't or won't speak for for Sam and team at Perceptive. But based upon conversations throughout the negotiations, I think the expectation would be that the level of diligence that they're gonna need to do on any sort of consent required for a transaction will largely be based upon their reliance on diligence we perform and really what we present to the board. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:37:48Right? And so it's more likely than not that as long as we're comfortable, we've we've we've kicked the tires, done our diligence, the board is behind it, that Perceptive would come along. I mean and and again, I can't speak for for Sam and the team again. But what I will say is in historically, having worked with Perceptive before and in the process of conversations with them, they are very supportive and very interested in, continuing to to drive growth through transformative transactions if they make sense. So we we don't think it's gonna be an an onerous process as long as management and board are behind the transaction. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:38:29That sounds great. Thank you for that explanation. And then you guys talked about kidney disease and your effort in advancing early markers there. Is this, you know, do you envision this being, an area that that you're committed to, or is this sort of, like, you're you're looking in the exploratory stage? Just trying to get a sense for, your conviction in this market at this time. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:38:56Yeah. Glad you brought it up. So we're we're very encouraged by the work that we're doing in kidney disease. I think we've got some exciting science at the organization. We've got really two development efforts. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:39:08One in lupus nephritis, which takes us deeper in into the autoimmune space and is a high clinical need within a subset of SLE patients. But, basically, you know, approximately half of all lupus patients end up developing some form of kidney involvement or lupus nephritis. Diagnosis now is by kidney biopsy, and there are treatments out there, biologics out there, but you don't know after an extended period of time if the patient's responding. And during that period of time, the kidneys can continue to experience irreversible damage. So, we have programs in place that potentially could serve as a diagnostic capability in that context along with measurement of disease activity or a measurement of therapeutic response. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:39:55So very excited there. We've, really worked hard to hedge our bets as we've done in many instances. And in the development efforts, for lupus nephritis, thought, hey. There may be an opportunity for us to look at broader biomarkers of kidney damage. And that's exactly what we've done. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:40:15Excited because, you know, this is a high clinical need, and, really, there's a significant patient need here. And so from our and the tools that exist in terms of standard of care are, not very satisfactory. So, the markers we're developing have broad applicability in multiple diseases. We have now validated in early diabetic kidney disease along with lupus nephritis. And, again, that was the data that was shared in in that biomarker summit in Boston by doctor Mike Nirenberg, our chief medical officer. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:40:49But this is a huge patient need. So chronic kidney disease impacts, you know, on the order of fourteen to fifteen percent of The US population. Diabetes prevalence in The US is somewhere around eleven to twelve percent. Either of those patient populations are substantial. Obviously, when you take a look at the, US population. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:41:07So, excited about the potential of these markets. You know, how we approach them and commercialize them, is too far out in the future for us to comment at this point in time. We're really just focusing on the science. The science is encouraging. We're getting it out in the public domain. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:41:22There'll be a manuscript out later this year which details the findings as well, but, very exciting for us. And I think maybe the other thing I'll just add, Mark, is you see a lot of progress on the SGLT two and GLP one, fronts where they're actively working on expanding labels or they already have, in some instances, labels for chronic kidney disease in the early stage and, you know, being able to identify these patients, better than the current standard of care is is an exciting opportunity for us. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:41:55It sounds great. And just one more for me. You know, congrats on winning the ALJ hearing, with a large national insurer. I wanted to get a sense for how many more hearings you have later this year, and then just give us a flavor. I I imagine that there are, likely multiple, national health plans or health plans regional, that you might be meeting with. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:42:23So can you just give us a sense for how many, what you think the impact could be, and what the cadence of that is throughout the year? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:42:30Yeah. So just so you understand how this progresses. You know, we apply for these high level reviews throughout the year as we learn in each of them, you know, so we've had, you know, on the order of around 15 so far. Those that we have lost, we've learned from. And it's basically, you know, we have evidence that was not submitted early enough in the appeal cycle, called the first appeal or the second appeal that couldn't be included in the case by the time we got to the ALJ hearing. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:43:07And so in those instances, we adjust our entire revenue cycle operations to start including that information earlier. You know, some of this can be, documentation of Medicare coverage, if you will, or reimbursement more appropriately. And so as we adjust our appeals process, that kinda resets, most of the clock. You know, there's no point in us going into an AOJ hearing knowing that we have an inadequate amount of information at the time. And so, we've been learning over the last twenty four months how how best to do this relative to advise CTD and kinda culminated in having the perfect appeal package together and, the right judge to review it, more recently and and, obviously, the win. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:43:51We currently have, several scheduled in the month of May and a few in in the month of June, but that doesn't mean that's about as far out as they are scheduled right now. So we have quite a few requests, still outstanding, and we'll have to see as those get scheduled. But, a couple a month is pretty reasonable, to get all the way through the process at a at a very high level. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:44:15Great. Thanks so much. Operator00:44:20Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Brechtman with William Blair. Please proceed with your question. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:44:26Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe to stick on the payers subject here for a second. You also noted that you had a positive medic medical policy with with TRICARE in the quarter. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:44:38Can you maybe just talk a little bit more about the learnings from that experience, how you can take those learnings from TRICARE and continue to broaden out those medical policy wins? Thanks. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:44:47Yeah. Thanks, Andrew. Good morning. Appreciate the question. You know, TRICARE was a fantastic progress for us over the last couple of years. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:44:55We went through their demonstration project. It's what the term is for their process in determining medical policy. And we had to submit, you know, our clinical dossier along with the supporting evidence for our test. They took a, you know, call it about a year, year and a half to review all that information and and came out with a positive determination, which, you know, first and foremost, validates the evidence behind the test and the demand for it. So I think that that's a nice affirmation that we do have the right evidence to drive medical policy more broadly, especially at a highly impactful, you know, patient population like the, like the active military. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:45:38So that was very positive from our standpoint. I think something we take away. It also can be used in discussions, you know, strategically if we're taking a look at some of the veteran opportunities or or even other large national plans, I think it's a it's a national policy that's been flipped in our favor and it's a public policy. So it's something that we can reference. I think that that's all very positive. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:46:06We'll continue to enhance our evidence package, and we'll continue to work through our appeals efforts to drive awareness at the plan level, regional plan level. That never stops. But I think maybe the the biggest learning is just that our current evidence package is is holding weight and driving positive policy change. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:46:25Great. And then back to the the next set of RA markers, it sounds like you have pretty good line of sight to launching those end of this year, early next. I guess outside of the NYS, approval here, what internally need needs to be done to get those, ready for launch? Thanks. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:46:42Yeah. So in order to get an LDT ready for launch, obviously, you have to get to a point where you're comfortable with, the validation study. So that's both a clinical validation and maybe multiple, which proves that, you know, you're accurately determining disease from normal folks. Right? Are we accurately identifying the seronegative population, and, can you hone in on the sensitivity and specificity of the markers there, determine the cutoffs, etcetera? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:47:12We are past that point. The next step and in no particular order, but the next step is analytical validation. And so can you reproducibly measure the markers repeatedly in different context, different operators, multiple machines, etcetera? Most of that work has been done. We are wrapping up the reports for that for that effort. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:47:34And then you have to get ready to run it at scale. And that's something that takes a little bit of time training, you know, in in in these first two steps, we obviously don't distract the CLIA team. They're working on a daily basis, to handle the clinical volume. But as we start to ramp up, you know, training, a lot of the competency assessments and all of the regulatory requirements, quality management system requirements in in the lab have to be implemented, you know, SOPs, that type of thing. So all of that work takes a little bit of time, especially to do it at a high, quality level. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:48:09But we also have to work with our suppliers to get ready for the type of volume we anticipate. All those contract negotiations have been completed from our standpoint. We're waiting now for our first large shipment of reagents. That should occur sometime probably over the summer. You know, manufacturing has to be ramped up at the supplier side and what have you. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:48:29So those things still remain mostly just operational. Our LAS systems have to be updated as well, but all that stuff's underway, and is controllable mostly on our side. So that's why we feel comfortable by year end into the early twenty six. Similar to how we did with how we did it with these last set of markers is a reasonable timeline. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:48:51That's great color. Thanks, guys. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:48:54Thanks, Andrew. Operator00:48:56Thank you. Our final question this morning comes from the line of Paul Knight with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:49:04Hi. Thanks for the time. Congrats on the quarter. The Jeff, the first question for you is how does the line this new line work this year? You'll take $20,000,000 rollover old line and then drop down 5,000,000 of incremental cash. Is that is that what I heard? Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:49:24Yeah. Paul, that's that's about right. It's it's a little less in terms of so net proceeds, and we've already done. So we we we drew the 25,000,000 initial tranche, retired existing debt. Net proceeds were just north of 3,000,000. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:49:39And and then we have opportunity based upon milestones in, you know, in '26 to draw more down. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:49:48Meaning 25,000,000 possibly and then 30,000,000 later on. Right? Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:49:53Right. There are there are there's there are two potential 10,000,000 tranches that are based upon revenue milestones be between now and the end of twenty twenty six. And then there's another 30 that's that's set aside for potential business development m and a. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:50:12Okay. Got it. And then, John, the the acceleration in revenue or test sales through March, what what do you think it was that was really getting the momentum in March? Was it the ALJ hearing? What what's what's your thoughts behind that? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:50:31Hey, Paul. Good morning. Thanks for the question. The volume growth, I think, was driven primarily by the new marker launch. I believe that brings an energy and excitement to the team. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:50:44It also brings, know, enhancement in the clinical utility to our customer base. And, along with the manuscript publication that came out, just really you know, there's the newest innovation in this space and biomarker innovation in the autoimmune space is few and far between in terms of frequency. So, I think it it ends up getting a lot of attention, a lot of talk, amongst rheumatologists. And we had a great presence in q four, kind of forecasting the enhancements to clinical practice that that should be expected with using these markers. So I think that, really drives, a lot of it, and it also just so happens to coincide with when we started to really see the ramp. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:51:29But you also, as I mentioned, had a stability in the team. You know, we adjusted our national sales meeting to be in January of this year, brought the team together, really worked hard on the training and, practicing of of what the clinical value proposition is and role play and what have you of of what types of questions we would expect. And, I think it's the teams are prepared well, and, and it's showing. So I think that's probably the primary driver. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:51:59And then, John, what what do you think you need in terms of number of successful cases court cases where you start to change practice of of payers? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:52:14Yeah. So it's gonna be payer specific. And but I don't it's it's on the order of a half dozen to a dozen. So, you know, you don't have to have hundreds, or thousands of these wins, obviously. You know, they're not that frequent in terms of when they're granted. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:52:34And, and on top of it, you know, this is, not a positive mark for, the insurer that that lost the hearing. Right? They have an obligation, to treat their Medicare beneficiaries the similar, similar to straight Medicare would. And so to lose an AOJ hearing, basically confirms that they did not do that. And so, you know, that's a positive for us. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:53:00It sets a precedent. We actually include that determination in future appeals. And, and so, for these large plans, this is a way that we can ensure, you know, patients are treated, as they should be, as they're obligated to be. And, and so we'll continue to work through it, but it's not it's not hundreds. It's it's on the order of half a dozen to a dozen would be my expectation. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:53:24Okay. Thank you. Operator00:53:30Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our time allowed for questions. I'll turn the floor back to mister Abali for any final comments. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:53:37Thanks so much. You know, we're off to an extremely strong year start to the year, and we expect that in many regards, to be one of our strongest years in the company's history, here in 2025. Operationally, our turnaround has really taken shape. Our strategy of focusing on our core product, improving reimbursement, and rebuilding our pipeline for the future is progressing ahead of my original expectations. We've continued to make prudent decisions in personnel, and we've focused, intensely focused on the character of the individual who joins our team. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:54:14The effect has been to reshape the company in a very positive way where folks are holding each other accountable and driving progress towards shared goals. It's also created stability within the organization, which is starting to compound in effect and is exciting to be a part of. I look forward to continuing to provide updates. And as always, I'm very grateful for your partnership as we build something special here. Thank you. Operator00:54:38Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRyan DouglasDirector, Investor RelationsJohn AballiCEO, President & DirectorJeff BlackCFOAnalystsKyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital MarketsRoss OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor FitzgeraldMark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIGAndrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.CPaul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital MarketsPowered by Key Takeaways We achieved record Q1 revenue of $15.5 M, up 8% year-over-year, with ASP at $419 per test and 6% sequential volume growth, and we remain on track to reach positive adjusted EBITDA by Q4 2025. We closed a new credit facility with Perceptive Advisors, drawing $25 M to retire prior debt, extending maturities to 2030, and securing up to $50 M more plus $30 M for strategic initiatives, boosting total liquidity to ~$80 M. We won our first ALJ hearing on a Medicare Advantage denial and secured positive medical policy with TRICARE, setting precedents that should improve future reimbursements and broaden market access. The launch of our new RA33 biomarkers delivered an early reimbursement lift of ~$90 per test, energized our sales force, and contributed to volume gains, with a second wave of markers expected by year-end. Sales team stability improved with voluntary turnover down to 7%, a reinvigorated value proposition under new leadership, and plans to expand into two new territories to drive further adoption. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallExagen Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipants Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Exagen Earnings HeadlinesExagen Inc. Holds 2025 Annual Stockholder MeetingJune 11 at 5:58 PM | tipranks.comExagen Inc. 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The company offers AVISE Lupus that measures activation of the complement system by quantifying the level of B-cell C4d and erythrocyte bound C4d in the patient's blood; and AVISE APS, which consists of a panel of autoantibody tests that aids in the diagnosis and management of APS. In addition, it provides AVISE Vasculitis AAV, which utilizes a testing panel of individual analytes to provide physicians with results in the assessment and monitoring of anti-neutrophil cytoplasmic antibody associated vasculitis; AVISE SLE Prognostic, a panel of autoantibodies for assessing the potential for complications affecting the kidney, brain, and cardiovascular system; and AVISE Anti-CarP test, which identifies RA patients with severe disease. Further, the company offers AVISE SLE Monitor, a biomarker blood test; AVISE MTX, a patented and validated blood test; and AVISE HCQ, a blood test to monitor levels of hydroxychloroquine. It has a research collaboration and license agreement with Allegheny Health Network (AHN) Research Institute to develop novel patented biomarkers. The company was formerly known as Exagen Diagnostics, Inc. and changed its name to Exagen Inc. in January 2019. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Exagen Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Operator00:00:21I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Ryan Douglas, Investor Relations for Exagen Inc. Thank you. You may begin. Ryan DouglasDirector, Investor Relations at Exagen00:00:31Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Earlier today, Exagen Inc. Released financial results for the quarter ended 03/31/2025. Sean Abali, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Jeff Black, our Chief Financial Officer, will host this morning's call. A recording of today's call and the press release announcing the quarterly results can be found on the company's website at www.exogen.com. Ryan DouglasDirector, Investor Relations at Exagen00:00:57As today's call includes forward looking statements, we encourage you to review the statements contained in today's press release and the risks and uncertainties described in our SEC filings, which identify certain factors that may cause the company's actual events, performance and results to differ materially from those contained in the forward looking statements made on today's call. In addition, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures on this call. Descriptions of these non GAAP financial measures and reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP financial measures are included in today's press release. I will now turn the call over to John. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:01:35Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining the call today. It's exciting to be reporting our first quarterly results with the impact of our new markers, and we are seeing fantastic results. We plan to touch on that along with providing additional color around the debt refinance we announced last week. We have a lot going on at the company. We're off to a great start, and it's an exciting time. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:01:57I'll detail a few critical topics relevant to our success and then turn the call over to Jeff for further detail on our financial performance over the last few months. To start, we delivered our ninth consecutive quarter of increasing trailing twelve month ASP, and we're incredibly proud of the progress we've made over the last two plus years. Our revenue cycle operations continue to improve, and Jeff will provide additional commentary, but we are methodically growing our per case reimbursement and have started to generate real momentum with our market access efforts. I tend to shy away from describing activity as I believe cash in the door is what really matters, but I think it's important to highlight that we have started to win administrative law judge or ALJ hearings as part of our strategic reimbursement efforts. To explain a bit more, over the course of the last couple of years, we sought to elevate our appeals efforts to that of an external review by a neutral third party. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:03:00This takes a lot of time and diligence and is a learning process for each product we offer as we fine tune the packet of information we submit based on feedback throughout the process. This past quarter, we successfully won our first ALJ hearing, which was a formal hearing of a Medicare Advantage denial that we initiated as part of our ongoing efforts. The case was originally denied due to a medical policy determination at a large national insurer, and we petitioned the court for review in order to have this patient's case treated similar to other Medicare claims as it's entitled to. We've won the case and are highly encouraged by this effort as it starts to set a precedent for future appeals. We have several other hearings planned in the weeks ahead, and a few are with the same judge. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:03:49So we're highly encouraged by this progress and look forward to future wins. These wins provide reimbursement for that individual case but also factor into our longer term strategy of gaining awareness at the medical director level and bringing payers to the table while building momentum and leverage. I would expect over time that continued wins at the AOJ level catalyze efforts to improve medical policy with a broad set of payers. And we will see how long it takes, but this is a very good sign. Additional momentum was gained this quarter by securing positive medical policy with TRICARE, under which all active duty service members, retirees, and their families receive civilian medical care. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:04:35We recently concluded a two year effort where we underwent medical policy review through their formal process and advised CTD was granted positive medical policy. We are finalizing the contract efforts to ensure streamlined billing transactions, but this should be a catalyst for increased ASP in the future. These updates will be few and far between as, again, I believe the most relevant metric is still the trailing twelve month ASP. But both of these efforts have strategic implications relevant to the approach we've outlined over the past two years and are important milestones on their own. And lastly, regarding ASP progress, we continue to expect the incremental boost of our trailing twelve month ASP from the launch of our new markers to be approximately $90 by the end of the year. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:05:25And with the momentum and real results I just described, we remain highly optimistic to meet our goal of adjusted EBITDA positivity by year end. Our growth this quarter was fueled by a combination of continued gains in ASP but also volume, which was very exciting to see and was in part the result of our new biomarker launch. This past quarter, volume grew 6% over our Q4 performance. Our sales team is highly energized by the rapid adoption and favorable response to the reinvigorated VIVE CTD. In Q1, we launched our new markers, but we also spent a considerable amount of time training the team on the enhanced value proposition. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:06:10I believe these efforts, along with fantastic preparation by our marketing and customer service teams, have enabled a highly successful launch with significant energy and excitement that is likely to persist. Additionally, our new head of sales, JR, has been on board now for about nine months, and his impact is starting to yield results. Our sales team is more focused on selling, and we've removed as many of the administrative efforts from the role as possible. Of note, we are hiring as well and have started to source talent for two expansion territories. If you're good at sales, hardworking, great at solving complex problems, have a dose of humility, and operate with integrity, we'd love to have you join our team and help us build something special as we work to serve the rheumatology community. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:07:01As we've seen with the broader organization, the stability of our team and reduced personnel turnover yield results. Our sales organization used to have voluntary turnover rates north of 30% just a few years back. Today, we have trailing twelve month voluntary turnover within our sales organization of 7%, and that includes one recent retirement. Congrats again, Bonnie. You've earned it. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:07:27The progress in building a mission driven culture that rewards performance is evident in the positive trend these numbers illustrate. I'm very proud of the team we have. It's energizing to see the volume growth associated with having the right team in place with stability. We expect volume to continue to grow and have a couple more expansion territories identified, which we anticipate opening for recruitment in the next couple of months. More to come, but it's great to see new clinicians incorporating the Advise CTD test into their clinical practice and increased adoption within our existing physician base. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:08:03We are very pleased with the volume trend we're seeing to start the year. As we continue to turn around the operational performance of our organization, we recently improved our financial position with a new credit facility from Perceptive Advisors, an exceptional business partner and highly credible life sciences investor. As a reminder, we had a $20,000,000 loan that was maturing in April of twenty six. While we anticipate being free cash flow positive by this time, the amortization schedule was over a ten month period and too aggressive for our anticipated ability to service the debt. When Jeff joined the organization last year, this was a primary priority for him, and he did a fantastic job engaging with Rob at Credo one eighty to help us navigate the market and find a great partner to achieve the flexibility we needed in refinancing our debt obligations. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:08:57I should also mention that we are excited to have the optionality of the current facility to tap into additional minimally dilutive capital should we desire as we continue to shape our organization to be the preeminent provider of proprietary testing in the autoimmune space. We are very grateful to Sam and his team at Perceptive for partnering with us and building something special here and now have the flexibility to pursue profitability and ultimately deleverage on our own time line and capitalize on growth opportunities in a way which maximizes shareholder returns. Our efforts to develop future innovations, which will drive growth, continue with our next set of seronegative markers, expected to launch around the end of this year. We've been working to clinically validate the utility of these markers over the past several months, and their contribution to clinical practice should mirror that of our recently launched RA33 markers. We expect to gain approximately eight percent in overall sensitivity for identifying patients with rheumatoid arthritis who would otherwise be serologically benign. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:10:05The sensitivity gain puts our overall ability to detect the rheumatoid arthritis patient population at approximately eighty five percent, far above conventional markers alone. This strong clinical value proposition should continue to open up a market for us, which we believe is approximately three times larger than the market for lupus diagnostics alone and will be accretive to ASP. Additionally, our efforts to develop diagnostics for detection and management of lupus nephritis patients continue to track well. And we have now designed, and with a partner manufactured, a custom array specific to the first version of our assay, which was developed in conjunction with the team at Johns Hopkins. This paired down array will enable throughput at much higher volume with lower COGS, while focusing on the key relevant biomarkers for this disease application. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:10:58We are currently testing the newly customized array and plan to have results in Q3. We are also actively engaged in the biopharma level to find partners interested in leveraging this technology. More to come. Strategically, we have been advancing efforts to develop early markers of kidney disease while we pursued applications in lupus nephritis. The results from these efforts are very encouraging, and our chief medical officer, Doctor. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:11:25Mike Nirenberg, recently presented the findings from three clinical validations at the annual Chronic Kidney Disease Drug Development Summit in Boston A Couple Months ago. This work includes the profiling of two separate NIH cohorts and a lupus nephritis cohort, where we've shown great discriminating power for our proprietary analytes in identifying early disease while outperforming the current standard of care. We look forward to continued validation of this technology and are actively pursuing biopharma partners through our business efforts. In general, our R and D pipeline continues to advance impactful technology in multiple areas of significant clinical need. Additionally, we continue our efforts to develop signatures of disease activity in both SLE and rheumatoid arthritis. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:12:14But maybe the most important point I want to make here is that we have now successfully demonstrated a capability to bring novel biomarkers to the clinic with the current Exagen team and done so in a reasonable time period with a prudent level of resources. Our internal teams have had to refine and build this skill, and the past twelve months have demonstrated a proficiency for doing so. I'm very proud of the teams for their work in this area, and we have exciting opportunities in our pipeline, which we expect will have significant impact on patients and clinicians down the line. I'll now turn the call over to Jeff to provide additional details on this quarter's financial performance. But suffice it to say, I'm very enthusiastic about the track record our company has had and the track our company is on. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:13:02We have what is shaping up to be a phenomenal year ahead of us, and we continue to generate momentum in our business. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:13:09Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. 2025 is off to a strong and exciting start. We're eager to keep building on this momentum throughout the year. We've made great progress on our financial objectives over the past quarter. Notably, as John mentioned, the launch of our new biomarkers and early read on expanded ASP puts our profitability goals well within reach, and we remain fully focused on achieving them. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:13:35And our new credit facility with Perceptive Advisors extends maturity of our prior term debt, ensuring runway to sustaining free cash flow positivity while also providing flexibility to further accelerate growth initiatives on a minimally dilutive basis. Diving into the details of the first quarter, beginning with revenue, we achieved record revenue of $15,500,000 representing a nearly 8% increase compared to the first quarter of twenty twenty four. This growth was driven primarily by continued expansion of our advised CTD trailing twelve month average selling price now at $419 per test, thanks to the addition of our new markers. We also saw a modest uptick in testing volume both year over year and sequentially. Volume expansion will continue to be a key focus for us throughout 2025. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:14:30To give you further color on ASP, our early read on new biomarker reimbursement of $90 per revised CTE aligns with our initial expectations. And while it's too early to make a call on our longer term expectations, we're encouraged by early traction. Given that these new biomarkers were reflected for only a partial quarter, the $90 per test translated to about a $15 increase in our trailing twelve month ASP. It will take the remainder of twenty five before the full impact of these new markers is reflected in our trailing twelve month ASP. And we continue to see opportunities to expand ASP through enhanced appeals and market access efforts. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:15:18Moving on to our operating performance. Gross margin for the first quarter was 58.9%, slightly down from 59.6% in 2024, and we expect gross margin to improve steadily throughout 2025 as ASP expands. Notably, there were three transitory headwinds that had a short term gross margin impact in the first quarter. First, as we noted in our fourth quarter call, we've invested ahead of the curve in lab operations to accommodate the new biomarker launch and our anticipated volume increases in 2025. Second, we launched the new markers in late January, so the impact was reflected for only a partial quarter. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:16:02And third, for most of our existing client direct bill contracts, the new marker pricing had not yet been updated for the full quarter. In these cases, we absorbed the cost of running the new markers but did not report or bill out the results and therefore didn't realize the margin impact of the expanded ASP. The good news here is that the majority of those contracts have now been amended to reflect the new pricing. In fact, if the full quarter of Avaya CTD volume reflected the benefit of the new biomarker ASP lift, our gross margin in the first quarter would have been over 60%. We continue to expect to see gross margin expansion in the second half of twenty twenty five into the low 60% range, and we still have a line of sight to gross margin in the mid sixties over time. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:16:52Turning to expenses. Our operating expenses totaled $12,500,000 in the first quarter, representing a $900,000 and roughly 7.5 percent increase over 2024. Our r and d expenses were up about $200,000 year over year, driven primarily by increased activity in clinical studies and advancement of our pipeline. And s g and a expenses increased about $700,000 year over year largely due to personnel additions to our sales and marketing teams. We expect our operating expenses to increase moderately in absolute dollars in the near term as we execute on additional r and d pipeline initiatives, expand our sales force, and invest in infrastructure to support our expected volume of revenue growth. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:17:40But it should decrease year over year as a percentage of revenue as we see operating expense leverage in 2025 and beyond. Importantly, we have the ability to modulate spend as appropriate, and we're well positioned from a balance sheet perspective to make the investments needed to support our expected growth. Our net loss for the first quarter was $3,800,000 compared to $3,400,000 in the same period last year. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $2,500,000 versus $2,000,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Profitability remains a core focus for the company, and we expect to reach positive adjusted EBITDA by the fourth quarter of this year. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:18:22As a reminder, our adjusted EBITDA excludes stock comp expense since it's noncash. And please refer to our earnings release issued earlier today for a reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to net loss. Shifting to our balance sheet, we ended the first quarter of twenty twenty five with cash and cash equivalents of just over $11,000,000 and an accounts receivable balance of just under $15,000,000. As a reminder, our strategy includes holding claims at the beginning of the year, and we fully anticipate the temporary impact this has on both cash and AR. We've since begun releasing claims, and we expect our AR balance to normalize throughout the year. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:19:06To elaborate further on this, as of the April, our combined cash and AR balance was has increased to about $28,000,000, including about a $3,000,000 increase to cash from our recent debt financing with Perceptive. On that note, as John mentioned, we're extremely pleased to bring Perceptive into the ExGen family with our recently announced credit facility. Perceptive is a widely recognized and respected life sciences investor. The new facility extends debt amortization by five years, eliminating nearly $20,000,000 in principal payments that were due in 2026 under our prior term loan. This new facility also increases potential borrowing capacity based on future milestones and strategic initiatives providing access to minimally dilutive future growth capital. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:19:59At close, we drew $25,000,000 to pre to repay our prior term debt, and we now have up to $50,000,000 available for future tranches. Up to $20,000,000 will be available in 2026 based upon achievement of revenue milestones and another up to 30,000,000 available for approved strategic transactions if such opportunities arise. Borrowings mature in April 2030 with interest only payments running through maturity. This was a great result for us. We couldn't be happier with the outcome, and we look forward to our new partnership with Perceptive as a lender and stakeholder. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:20:38To put this all into context, we're now well positioned from a balance sheet perspective with nearly 80,000,000 in combined cash, accounts receivable, and available future credit capacity as of April 30. Turning to guidance, we expect 2025 full year revenue of at least 65,000,000, and we are on track to deliver positive adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter of twenty five. In closing, 2025 is shaping up to be a pivotal year for Exagen. We're on track to deliver over 17% revenue growth. We remain focused on achieving one of the key milestones John set upon his arrival, operating a profitable company. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:21:19We're excited about the momentum we've built, and we're confident in our ability to meet and even exceed our own expectations once again just as we did in 2023 and 2024. We thank you for your continued partnership and support, and we'll now open the call for questions. Operator00:21:39Thank you. At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our first question comes from the line of Kyle Mixon with Canaccord Genuity. Congrats Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:22:09on the quarter and the agreement with Percepta too. So starting off on volume, I think you talked about, okay, sequential increase by 6%. That's like kind of a modest growth of year. Good to see that growing, though. Could you just talk about your expectations for volume for the full year, how that kind of trends, I guess, quarter by quarter given this focus for you? Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:22:29And it seems like test per doc per physician is kinda stable, maybe, like like, 12 to 13 tests per doc. Like, can you just talk about if you're trying to expand that number as well? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:22:41Hey, Kyle. Good morning. Happy Cinco de Mayo. Thanks for the question. So great question. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:22:48So as it relates to volume, we're very pleased with the progress we had here in q one. I tried to provide a little bit of color, and it's it's really exciting from our standpoint to have the stability in the sales team, that we've had over the last twelve months. And and really, JR and his team have done a fantastic job, identifying the right opportunities for us. As we launched these new markers, we focused on our existing physician base. So maybe to answer your second question first, that test per physician, the key metric for us, and the numbers you you referenced are are right on, We are that is an area we expect to see grow. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:23:31And especially as we continue to penetrate into the rheumatoid arthritis market more, we do expect that number to go up. We've got we've been working on getting physicians familiar and acclimated with the new markers. You know, this is, new information where the clinical utility has to be explained, detailed, and gone over, time and again and again. And so we'll see how that pans out, for the rest of the year, but that's certainly an area of focus for us. We also are still driving expansion. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:24:00There's quite a few physicians in the rheumatology space that do not utilize Advise, and there's a a great opportunity for us. So we right now believe we service about a third of the rheumatology community. There's a referral network within there as well that is opportunistic for us. So, we'll continue to drive on both fronts. As it relates to volume overall, as you know, we don't guide specifically to volume on a quarter by quarter basis. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:24:26We do expect this to grow this year. Q one, was a great start for us, and we'll have to see kinda how how it continues on from here. January was a little light for us volume wise. It picked up towards the January. February was great, and March was fantastic. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:24:43That progress has continued here into q two. So, again, we'll have to see. We've launched our expansion, from a sales standpoint and so, territory standpoint. And so that should also continue to drive volume throughout the year, but, that's kinda how we see it. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:25:00Alright. That was great. And then just sticking on that volume theme, you know, you you had you provided some anecdotes, for example, last quarter about the in the case studies, you know, indicating that that you could actually, like, expand the reach, to physicians through different indications of autoimmune disease and things with these new markers. And I think that you referenced new markers as being the driver for the volume kind of increase this in the first quarter. So could you actually just elaborate on that and how that could progress going forward and help you drive the volume growth as well? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:25:29Yeah. So the drivers are, I think, multipronged in terms of their their impact to overall volume growth. One of them being stability of the sales team. We've talked a bit over the quarters that we've really been working to get the right team in place. So we right sized the Salesforce when I joined the organization a little over two years ago. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:25:50And then we've been working on finding the right person, for our organization, and that transition has transpired over the last, call it, twelve to eighteen months. And then you get people settling into their roles, really learning the product, and getting a familiarity with the customer base. And that stability is, really starts to pay dividends. You go from not just learning, training, acclimating to actually, being more strategic in your selling process. And that's really where I feel like we're at now with our current sales team. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:26:23It also allows us to open up opportunities for expansion as we said. The new markers specifically, as I've spoken with our sales team and and also with clinicians, it it brings an excitement to the selling process. Right? So we've got new publications that came out, here in q one. You also have a new offering. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:26:43There's a, a different selling approach. The with your physicians who have already bought in, you're still educating and bringing something new to that discussion, and that makes it much more exciting. So I think that that energy is certainly being felt, and likely to persist, and that's been a big driver as well. Not to mention that the clinical utility of the new markers expands us into the RA space, more than we had previously. So those three things I think will be pretty strong contributing factors to continued volume growth. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:27:14Perfect. And then finally for Jeff on the financials. First, have two questions. First, could you maybe parse out the prior period revenue? Just helpful to kind of know that. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:27:25And second, the adjusted EBITDA loss was a touch deeper than our model. Could you even if you keep OpEx stable going forward, it might be kind of tough to get to breakeven by 4Q. You're clearly on the path there. I'm just kind of curious how the OpEx components are working. So could you walk through maybe like gross margin going forward as well as the SG and A and R and D investments for the rest of this year? Thanks. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:27:46Sure. Hey, Kyle. So I'll I'll I'll break that up a bit. I think your first question was on, prior period cash collections. And and, again, as as we continue to to say that on a quarterly basis, those prior period cash collections are gonna fluctuate, and that will have an impact on revenue and ASP. In the fourth quarter of twenty four, for example, we had about a million dollars in in excess cash greater than twelve months. In the first quarter, '20 '5 is about half a million. Right? So that will fluctuate. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:28:18But, you know, we do still believe there's opportunity there. We're continuing to go after it aggressively, and we we consistently get better at it. It will fluctuate quarter over quarter, but it was about a half a million in in the first quarter. On your question around profitability, you know, EBITDA, OpEx, margin, I think there are a a few things that play in the first quarter that drove that EBITDA number. And the first one is, as I talked about in the call, was really the the gross margin. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:28:49Right? We we did have some, what we'll call, transitory headwinds on the gross margin. We do expect to see a nice gross margin step up at least, you know, particularly in the second half of the year. As we talked about, we did invest ahead of the curve a bit in labor and and some additional expenses to accommodate the ramp up of the new biomarkers as well as anticipated increase in volume. So we did see those expenses hit in the first quarter, and that was against a a revenue composition to where we weren't seeing the full impact of the new biomarker ASP as a result of the fact that we've we only had a partial quarter as well as some of the direct bill accounts hadn't been hadn't been fully, implemented with the new pricing. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:29:39So there was a a tail a headwind there that we expect will start to clear in the second quarter. And then just generally on OpEx, we are still we we do expect to see OpEx moderately increase. You saw that. A lot of the the incremental expense in s g and a was really around the the expansion of the commercial team and related really more to the variable comp associated with the the the step up in revenue. So we we will continue to manage that responsibly. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:30:13We do expect we'll start to see operating scale. We did see some minor scale in terms of total OpEx as a percentage of revenue year over year. We saw it tick down, and we continue to believe it will tick down. So we do think we're well positioned by the fourth quarter to be in that, you know, free cash flow positive adjusted EBITDA space. Kyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:30:34Great. Thanks for clearing that up. Thanks, guys. Operator00:30:41Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed with your question. Ross OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor Fitzgerald00:30:48Hey. Good morning, congrats on the results. So starting off, and I may have missed this, but do you have an update on when you to launch the second wave of RIM markers? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:30:59Hey, Ross. Good morning. So we've said approximately by year end. We think it's following a similar cycle to what we did with this last set of markers. So year end, beginning of the year is kind of right in that time frame. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:31:12Obviously, with the LDT determination by the courts there, we're not exactly beholden to New York State approval at this time for for a launch. But, in all likelihood, we would still pursue that, and launch post. So that's one aspect we can't control. It took about two months to achieve New York State approval for our last set of, LDT assays. So, you know, that's we're on a similar cadence from a development cycle. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:31:43So we'll see it, you know, towards the end of the year, perhaps into beginning of twenty six, but that would be our current expectation. Ross OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor Fitzgerald00:31:51Okay. Great. And then lastly, would you just provide some color on how you're feeling about market awareness, just meaning physician awareness, of your new enhanced tests? You know, how much groundwork are you guys gonna have to go out in terms of educating community, or do you feel like it's pretty well known following publications where people are coming to you? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:32:14That's a great question. You know? And I think it varies regionally. We have higher concentration of sales presence as it, relates to various, patient populations. So in some of the Southeast, for example, we're more highly concentrated. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:32:30And then as I'm sure you can imagine, as you start to move west, there's areas or pockets, where some rep may be covering in certain circumstances, maybe even two states or something. So, you know, in those instances, it takes a little bit more time to drive awareness, but you also have less physicians or they're more sparse. So from our standpoint, I think the awareness is reasonable amongst our physician base that was bought into and using Avyse prior to the new marker launch. And we had educational campaigns that didn't require necessarily an in person visit. So, you know, email blast, fax blast, ways to communicate outside of just the face to face. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:33:15Although, I believe, you know, internally, our strategy is to get in front of folks and actually walk them through it. I think that's, a very powerful way to educate folks regarding changes to clinical practice, you know, be able to answer questions, be able to talk through various case studies and what have you. It it really makes it a more productive or fruitful conversation. So on that front, you know, we're only two months in. We started doing a little bit of it prior to the holidays, but, this is a message that certainly has to be discussed multiple times. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:33:49And as different scenarios come up, you know, various positivity rates or, you know, the new markers end up being positive in conjunction with other markers, physicians wanna know what does that mean clinically. And so that that takes some time, and then the value proposition, starts to set in as as you have those firsthand experiences. So I think we're still pretty early. It's likely gonna take, the majority of the year to fully educate folks, but it's just a deepening of the edgy of the educational efforts. Ross OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor Fitzgerald00:34:22Great. Thank you. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:34:23Thanks, Ross. Operator00:34:27Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro with BTIG. Congrats Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:34:36on a good quarter. So in your prepared remarks, you mentioned that the facility that you have in place with Perceptive includes up to $30,000,000 available for approved strategic transactions, if opportunities arise. Can you maybe comment on what types of strategic transactions are, you know, something that you would consider? Would this be within perhaps autoimmune disease diagnostics, or could it be broader than that? And then, as far as the approval goes, I would assume that would include your board of directors. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:35:17But can you also comment about, the role that Perceptive has in determining whether or not it's approved or not? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:35:25Sure. Good morning, Mark. Thanks for the question. I'll comment, a little bit of our thinking around the strategy here, and I'll let Jeff comment on on some of the administrative, aspects of it. I guess maybe first and foremost, in this in this vein is we we did this because we wanted the flexibility. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:35:46So, you know, should we wanna draw down the additional capital, which, by the way, is is not anywhere near a given. K? But it could happen, I guess. Then we now have a clear path to it that doesn't take a ton of effort and could provide a solution regardless of the macro environment. So that's that's, why we ensured we had, this aspect to the deal. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:36:10We like the flexibility and, and are working to just have options. What type of an opportunity are we going after? I think it's highly likely be to be related to our existing business. And while we're not ready to fully divulge exactly the specifics of that comment, I think it's it's pretty reasonable to assume that it's in the autoimmune space and, related to some aspect of of biomarker development, novel biomarker development in this space. And so that leaves a pretty wide open field. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:36:42We don't see a ton of commercial ready assets, for a plug and play on a CLIA platform. But at the same time, we're always looking, always open to it, and we'll continue, our diligence there. And I think we've now that we've, gotten closer and are on the horizon of being a cash flow positive organization, I think this is the perfect time for us to establish these processes so that, so that we're ready and opportunistic when, when we can be. Jeff, do you wanna comment a little bit on the administrative approvals? Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:37:18Sure. Yeah. Mark, good morning. And, again, clearly, can't or won't speak for for Sam and team at Perceptive. But based upon conversations throughout the negotiations, I think the expectation would be that the level of diligence that they're gonna need to do on any sort of consent required for a transaction will largely be based upon their reliance on diligence we perform and really what we present to the board. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:37:48Right? And so it's more likely than not that as long as we're comfortable, we've we've we've kicked the tires, done our diligence, the board is behind it, that Perceptive would come along. I mean and and again, I can't speak for for Sam and the team again. But what I will say is in historically, having worked with Perceptive before and in the process of conversations with them, they are very supportive and very interested in, continuing to to drive growth through transformative transactions if they make sense. So we we don't think it's gonna be an an onerous process as long as management and board are behind the transaction. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:38:29That sounds great. Thank you for that explanation. And then you guys talked about kidney disease and your effort in advancing early markers there. Is this, you know, do you envision this being, an area that that you're committed to, or is this sort of, like, you're you're looking in the exploratory stage? Just trying to get a sense for, your conviction in this market at this time. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:38:56Yeah. Glad you brought it up. So we're we're very encouraged by the work that we're doing in kidney disease. I think we've got some exciting science at the organization. We've got really two development efforts. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:39:08One in lupus nephritis, which takes us deeper in into the autoimmune space and is a high clinical need within a subset of SLE patients. But, basically, you know, approximately half of all lupus patients end up developing some form of kidney involvement or lupus nephritis. Diagnosis now is by kidney biopsy, and there are treatments out there, biologics out there, but you don't know after an extended period of time if the patient's responding. And during that period of time, the kidneys can continue to experience irreversible damage. So, we have programs in place that potentially could serve as a diagnostic capability in that context along with measurement of disease activity or a measurement of therapeutic response. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:39:55So very excited there. We've, really worked hard to hedge our bets as we've done in many instances. And in the development efforts, for lupus nephritis, thought, hey. There may be an opportunity for us to look at broader biomarkers of kidney damage. And that's exactly what we've done. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:40:15Excited because, you know, this is a high clinical need, and, really, there's a significant patient need here. And so from our and the tools that exist in terms of standard of care are, not very satisfactory. So, the markers we're developing have broad applicability in multiple diseases. We have now validated in early diabetic kidney disease along with lupus nephritis. And, again, that was the data that was shared in in that biomarker summit in Boston by doctor Mike Nirenberg, our chief medical officer. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:40:49But this is a huge patient need. So chronic kidney disease impacts, you know, on the order of fourteen to fifteen percent of The US population. Diabetes prevalence in The US is somewhere around eleven to twelve percent. Either of those patient populations are substantial. Obviously, when you take a look at the, US population. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:41:07So, excited about the potential of these markets. You know, how we approach them and commercialize them, is too far out in the future for us to comment at this point in time. We're really just focusing on the science. The science is encouraging. We're getting it out in the public domain. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:41:22There'll be a manuscript out later this year which details the findings as well, but, very exciting for us. And I think maybe the other thing I'll just add, Mark, is you see a lot of progress on the SGLT two and GLP one, fronts where they're actively working on expanding labels or they already have, in some instances, labels for chronic kidney disease in the early stage and, you know, being able to identify these patients, better than the current standard of care is is an exciting opportunity for us. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:41:55It sounds great. And just one more for me. You know, congrats on winning the ALJ hearing, with a large national insurer. I wanted to get a sense for how many more hearings you have later this year, and then just give us a flavor. I I imagine that there are, likely multiple, national health plans or health plans regional, that you might be meeting with. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:42:23So can you just give us a sense for how many, what you think the impact could be, and what the cadence of that is throughout the year? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:42:30Yeah. So just so you understand how this progresses. You know, we apply for these high level reviews throughout the year as we learn in each of them, you know, so we've had, you know, on the order of around 15 so far. Those that we have lost, we've learned from. And it's basically, you know, we have evidence that was not submitted early enough in the appeal cycle, called the first appeal or the second appeal that couldn't be included in the case by the time we got to the ALJ hearing. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:43:07And so in those instances, we adjust our entire revenue cycle operations to start including that information earlier. You know, some of this can be, documentation of Medicare coverage, if you will, or reimbursement more appropriately. And so as we adjust our appeals process, that kinda resets, most of the clock. You know, there's no point in us going into an AOJ hearing knowing that we have an inadequate amount of information at the time. And so, we've been learning over the last twenty four months how how best to do this relative to advise CTD and kinda culminated in having the perfect appeal package together and, the right judge to review it, more recently and and, obviously, the win. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:43:51We currently have, several scheduled in the month of May and a few in in the month of June, but that doesn't mean that's about as far out as they are scheduled right now. So we have quite a few requests, still outstanding, and we'll have to see as those get scheduled. But, a couple a month is pretty reasonable, to get all the way through the process at a at a very high level. Mark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIG00:44:15Great. Thanks so much. Operator00:44:20Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Brechtman with William Blair. Please proceed with your question. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:44:26Hi, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe to stick on the payers subject here for a second. You also noted that you had a positive medic medical policy with with TRICARE in the quarter. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:44:38Can you maybe just talk a little bit more about the learnings from that experience, how you can take those learnings from TRICARE and continue to broaden out those medical policy wins? Thanks. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:44:47Yeah. Thanks, Andrew. Good morning. Appreciate the question. You know, TRICARE was a fantastic progress for us over the last couple of years. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:44:55We went through their demonstration project. It's what the term is for their process in determining medical policy. And we had to submit, you know, our clinical dossier along with the supporting evidence for our test. They took a, you know, call it about a year, year and a half to review all that information and and came out with a positive determination, which, you know, first and foremost, validates the evidence behind the test and the demand for it. So I think that that's a nice affirmation that we do have the right evidence to drive medical policy more broadly, especially at a highly impactful, you know, patient population like the, like the active military. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:45:38So that was very positive from our standpoint. I think something we take away. It also can be used in discussions, you know, strategically if we're taking a look at some of the veteran opportunities or or even other large national plans, I think it's a it's a national policy that's been flipped in our favor and it's a public policy. So it's something that we can reference. I think that that's all very positive. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:46:06We'll continue to enhance our evidence package, and we'll continue to work through our appeals efforts to drive awareness at the plan level, regional plan level. That never stops. But I think maybe the the biggest learning is just that our current evidence package is is holding weight and driving positive policy change. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:46:25Great. And then back to the the next set of RA markers, it sounds like you have pretty good line of sight to launching those end of this year, early next. I guess outside of the NYS, approval here, what internally need needs to be done to get those, ready for launch? Thanks. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:46:42Yeah. So in order to get an LDT ready for launch, obviously, you have to get to a point where you're comfortable with, the validation study. So that's both a clinical validation and maybe multiple, which proves that, you know, you're accurately determining disease from normal folks. Right? Are we accurately identifying the seronegative population, and, can you hone in on the sensitivity and specificity of the markers there, determine the cutoffs, etcetera? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:47:12We are past that point. The next step and in no particular order, but the next step is analytical validation. And so can you reproducibly measure the markers repeatedly in different context, different operators, multiple machines, etcetera? Most of that work has been done. We are wrapping up the reports for that for that effort. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:47:34And then you have to get ready to run it at scale. And that's something that takes a little bit of time training, you know, in in in these first two steps, we obviously don't distract the CLIA team. They're working on a daily basis, to handle the clinical volume. But as we start to ramp up, you know, training, a lot of the competency assessments and all of the regulatory requirements, quality management system requirements in in the lab have to be implemented, you know, SOPs, that type of thing. So all of that work takes a little bit of time, especially to do it at a high, quality level. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:48:09But we also have to work with our suppliers to get ready for the type of volume we anticipate. All those contract negotiations have been completed from our standpoint. We're waiting now for our first large shipment of reagents. That should occur sometime probably over the summer. You know, manufacturing has to be ramped up at the supplier side and what have you. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:48:29So those things still remain mostly just operational. Our LAS systems have to be updated as well, but all that stuff's underway, and is controllable mostly on our side. So that's why we feel comfortable by year end into the early twenty six. Similar to how we did with how we did it with these last set of markers is a reasonable timeline. Andrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.C00:48:51That's great color. Thanks, guys. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:48:54Thanks, Andrew. Operator00:48:56Thank you. Our final question this morning comes from the line of Paul Knight with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:49:04Hi. Thanks for the time. Congrats on the quarter. The Jeff, the first question for you is how does the line this new line work this year? You'll take $20,000,000 rollover old line and then drop down 5,000,000 of incremental cash. Is that is that what I heard? Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:49:24Yeah. Paul, that's that's about right. It's it's a little less in terms of so net proceeds, and we've already done. So we we we drew the 25,000,000 initial tranche, retired existing debt. Net proceeds were just north of 3,000,000. Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:49:39And and then we have opportunity based upon milestones in, you know, in '26 to draw more down. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:49:48Meaning 25,000,000 possibly and then 30,000,000 later on. Right? Jeff BlackCFO at Exagen00:49:53Right. There are there are there's there are two potential 10,000,000 tranches that are based upon revenue milestones be between now and the end of twenty twenty six. And then there's another 30 that's that's set aside for potential business development m and a. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:50:12Okay. Got it. And then, John, the the acceleration in revenue or test sales through March, what what do you think it was that was really getting the momentum in March? Was it the ALJ hearing? What what's what's your thoughts behind that? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:50:31Hey, Paul. Good morning. Thanks for the question. The volume growth, I think, was driven primarily by the new marker launch. I believe that brings an energy and excitement to the team. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:50:44It also brings, know, enhancement in the clinical utility to our customer base. And, along with the manuscript publication that came out, just really you know, there's the newest innovation in this space and biomarker innovation in the autoimmune space is few and far between in terms of frequency. So, I think it it ends up getting a lot of attention, a lot of talk, amongst rheumatologists. And we had a great presence in q four, kind of forecasting the enhancements to clinical practice that that should be expected with using these markers. So I think that, really drives, a lot of it, and it also just so happens to coincide with when we started to really see the ramp. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:51:29But you also, as I mentioned, had a stability in the team. You know, we adjusted our national sales meeting to be in January of this year, brought the team together, really worked hard on the training and, practicing of of what the clinical value proposition is and role play and what have you of of what types of questions we would expect. And, I think it's the teams are prepared well, and, and it's showing. So I think that's probably the primary driver. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:51:59And then, John, what what do you think you need in terms of number of successful cases court cases where you start to change practice of of payers? John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:52:14Yeah. So it's gonna be payer specific. And but I don't it's it's on the order of a half dozen to a dozen. So, you know, you don't have to have hundreds, or thousands of these wins, obviously. You know, they're not that frequent in terms of when they're granted. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:52:34And, and on top of it, you know, this is, not a positive mark for, the insurer that that lost the hearing. Right? They have an obligation, to treat their Medicare beneficiaries the similar, similar to straight Medicare would. And so to lose an AOJ hearing, basically confirms that they did not do that. And so, you know, that's a positive for us. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:53:00It sets a precedent. We actually include that determination in future appeals. And, and so, for these large plans, this is a way that we can ensure, you know, patients are treated, as they should be, as they're obligated to be. And, and so we'll continue to work through it, but it's not it's not hundreds. It's it's on the order of half a dozen to a dozen would be my expectation. Paul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital Markets00:53:24Okay. Thank you. Operator00:53:30Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our time allowed for questions. I'll turn the floor back to mister Abali for any final comments. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:53:37Thanks so much. You know, we're off to an extremely strong year start to the year, and we expect that in many regards, to be one of our strongest years in the company's history, here in 2025. Operationally, our turnaround has really taken shape. Our strategy of focusing on our core product, improving reimbursement, and rebuilding our pipeline for the future is progressing ahead of my original expectations. We've continued to make prudent decisions in personnel, and we've focused, intensely focused on the character of the individual who joins our team. John AballiCEO, President & Director at Exagen00:54:14The effect has been to reshape the company in a very positive way where folks are holding each other accountable and driving progress towards shared goals. It's also created stability within the organization, which is starting to compound in effect and is exciting to be a part of. I look forward to continuing to provide updates. And as always, I'm very grateful for your partnership as we build something special here. Thank you. Operator00:54:38Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesRyan DouglasDirector, Investor RelationsJohn AballiCEO, President & DirectorJeff BlackCFOAnalystsKyle MiksonManaging Director & Senior Research Analyst at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital MarketsRoss OsbornDirector, Lead Research Analyst - MedTech and Diagnostics at Cantor FitzgeraldMark MassaroManaging Director - Senior Equity Research Analyst at BTIGAndrew BrackmannEquity Research Analyst at William Blair & Company, L.L.CPaul KnightManaging Director at KeyBanc Capital MarketsPowered by