Karman Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Thank you. I'd now like to turn the call over to Stephen Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

You may begin.

Steven Gitlin
Steven Gitlin
VP of Investor Relations at Karman Holdings

Good afternoon. This is Stephen Gitlin, Vice President of Investor Relations for Carmen. Before we begin, please note that on this call, certain information presented contains forward looking statements. Forward looking statements include, without limitation, any statement that may predict, forecast, indicate, imply future results, performance, or achievements and may contain words such as believe, anticipate, expect, estimate, intend, project, plan, or words or phrases with similar meaning. Forward looking statements are based on current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions that involve risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, economic, competitive, governmental, and technological factors outside of our control that may cause our business strategy or actual results to differ materially from the forward looking statements.

Steven Gitlin
Steven Gitlin
VP of Investor Relations at Karman Holdings

All forward looking statements should be considered in conjunction with the forward looking statements in our earnings release. Future company updates will be available via press releases. For further information on these risks, we encourage you to review the risk factors discussed in Carmen's periodic reports on Form 10 ks and Form 10 Q filed with the SEC and the Form eight ks filed today with the SEC, along with the associated earnings release and the Safe Harbor statement contained therein. This afternoon, we also filed our earnings release and posted an earnings presentation to our website at carbonsd.com in the News and Events section. The content of this conference call contains time sensitive information that is accurate only as of today, 05/13/2025.

Steven Gitlin
Steven Gitlin
VP of Investor Relations at Karman Holdings

The company undertakes no obligation to make any revision to any forward looking statements contained in our remarks today or to update them to reflect the events or circumstances occurring after this conference call. I'd also like to note that unless otherwise stated, all numbers we will be discussing today are GAAP. Our press release contains a reconciliation of any non GAAP financial measure to the most comparable GAAP measure. Joining me today from Carmen are Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Tony Kublinski Chief Financial Officer, Mr.

Steven Gitlin
Steven Gitlin
VP of Investor Relations at Karman Holdings

Mike Willis and Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Jonathan Bodewine. Now I would like to turn the call over to Tony.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Thank you, Steve. On today's call, I will begin by summarizing our progress and strong performance in the first quarter before Mike provides an overview of our financial results.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Jonathan will then provide an update on our end markets and our strong position with respect to the emerging U. S. Department of Defense budget and the administration's trade policies. I will then update you on our outlook before we take your questions. Let's begin with a quick reminder of the progress we have accomplished in a very short time, summarized on Slide four of our earnings presentation.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Only three months ago, we successfully completed our IPO. Since then, we reported record 2024 financial results, we refinanced our debt and we acquired MTI, adding additional proprietary capabilities. Our strong momentum is also illustrated by our record first quarter financial results summarized on Slide five. We generated record quarterly revenue of $100,000,000 and gross profit of $39,500,000 We produced record quarterly adjusted EBITDA of 30,000,000 and fully diluted adjusted earnings per share of $05 We achieved a record funded backlog of $636,000,000 at the end of first quarter. And since the end of first quarter, we've increased our full year 2025 revenue visibility to approximately 95% as of the April.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

These strong results demonstrate continued momentum and effective execution. Our business model continues to create the basis for profitable growth and shareholder value. Now I'll turn the call over to Mike for a review of our first quarter financial results. Mike?

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

Thank you, Tony. Our strong execution in the quarter is reflected in record revenue of 100,100,000.0 a year over year increase of 20.6%. This is driven by double digit revenue growth in all three of our end markets shown on Slide six. Revenue in hypersonics and strategic missile defense grew from 24,800,000 to $30,100,000 an increase of 21.1%. Tactical Missiles and Integrated Defense Systems revenue grew from $27,900,000 to $36,200,000 an increase of 29.6%.

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

And finally, Space and Launch revenue grew from $30,300,000 to $33,800,000 an increase of 12%. The highly diverse nature of our customer and program portfolio means that from quarter to quarter, our end markets may not grow at the same rate. However, on an annual basis, we expect our commercially focused space and launch market to represent approximately one third of our total revenue and our two defense oriented markets to represent the remaining twothree. Year over year, first quarter revenue growth resulted from growth in a certain number of our programs such as GMLRS and NGI, partially offset by declines in others such as SLS. Moving down the P and L, shown on slide number seven, gross margin expanded by four fifty basis points year over year to 39.4%, driven by operating leverage and efficiency gains.

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

Importantly, adjusted EBITDA rose 25% from $24,300,000 to $30,300,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five. This represents a 30% adjusted EBITDA margin and roughly 100 basis points of margin expansion over Q1 twenty twenty four. Fully diluted adjusted EPS increased 67% year over year from $03 to $05 in the quarter. But for approximately $8,000,000 in share based compensation expense triggered by our successful February IPO, we would have produced record quarterly net income. These were for pre IPO shares and therefore have no dilutive effect.

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

These expenses were identified in our 10 ks filing and were the primary driver of increased general and administrative expenses, decreased net operating income and a net loss in the quarter. OP bookings in the first quarter boosted our funded backlog to $636,000,000 as of 03/31/2025. First quarter revenue and growth in our funded backlog increased our 2025 revenue visibility to 95% to the midpoint of our guidance range as of the April, at least roughly 5% or about 29 left to book and convert to revenue this year. We expect to secure the remaining bookings from orders associated with existing programs by the end of the current quarter. Turning now to the balance sheet.

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

As of 03/31/2025, we had $113,700,000 in cash and cash equivalents, up from $11,500,000 from year end 2024. Cash and cash equivalents increased as a result of the proceeds from our February 2025 IPO, a portion of which were used to pay off our previous $25,000,000 revolving credit facility and our IPO expenses. We strengthened our balance sheet in early April by successfully refinancing our existing credit facilities with the new Term Loan B and revolving credit facility. These new facilities reduced our net interest rate and extended maturities to April 2032 and April 2030, respectively. Finally, for modeling purposes, in 2025, we continue to expect a statutory tax rate of 24%, and we expect CapEx investments to total approximately 4% of revenue.

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

These CapEx investments support equipment and facility improvements, such as our new clean room in Muckiltillo, Washington and our new facility in Decatur, Alabama. Investments like these expand our capacity and capabilities to drive growth and shareholder value. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jonathan to discuss our end markets and our positioning relative to federal budgets and policies.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Thank you, Mike. The demand drivers supporting our business remain strong, and the diversity of revenue and programs shown on slide eight support our continued growth. Commercial space activity continues to increase, while the U. S. DoD is prioritizing solutions for homeland defense, precision strike capabilities and space assets.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

In the commercial space launch market, we continue to prepare our customers for the significant increase in launch cadence expected this year and beyond. For example, we are proud to be part of the United Launch Alliance team that began deploying Kuiper satellites using the Atlas V launch vehicle on April 28. We look forward to supporting a reported 45 combined Atlas and Vulcan launches in the next few years and as many as 30 more from other launch providers. As a reminder, we provide content on virtually every US based launch vehicle. Our subsystems include energetic retention and release mechanisms, pyro valves, interstage separation systems, heat shields, ISO grid assemblies, ablative composite thermal protection systems, and more.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

We continue to monitor the administration's Golden Dome initiative. While not yet determined, we expect program details to align extremely well with our capabilities and the programs we have been supporting successfully for years, such as NGI and other missile defense programs in production. This initiative also calls for significant investments in hypersonics and hypersonic test programs. The initiative also requires more assets in space for sensing and detection, which would require more launch activity, another domain that we support. In terms of the federal budget process, news of potential incremental DOD funding of 150,000,000,000 for capabilities including unmanned swarms and hypersonics appears to be very favorable to Carmen.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Carmen has over twenty years of flight proven heritage in hypersonics, supporting DoD hypersonic platforms and test bed programs with deployable shrouds, energetic systems, heat shields, rocket motor nozzles, and complex high temperature metallic assemblies. Along with Replicator, we expect initiatives like the Army's Launched Effects program to drive demand for Carmen launch systems, which leverage decades of successful payload integration and launch heritage. The recent House of Representatives Armed Services Committee's budget reconciliation markup proposed $25,000,000,000 in additional funding for integrated air and missile defense. This document specifically calls out space, hypersonic, and layered homeland defense initiatives. The President's detailed 2026 budget request expected later this month will provide greater visibility into the administration's plans for these and other defense programs and how those plans could benefit us.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Once details emerge, we will be better positioned to determine the effect on our business. In addition, existing programs appear to be poised to generate significant increases in demand for us. For example, a recent source of sought notice from the U. S. Army details plans to increase production of guided multiple launch rocket systems, or GMLRS, from 10,000 units per year to 19,000 units per year starting in 2028.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Similarly, we are receiving positive demand signals from an air launched missile program, which could translate to a significant increase in production volume over the coming years. Other opportunities include hypersonics and Army launched effects, both of which align well with the DoD's investment priorities. While demand signals are strong, it's always important to evaluate potential risks to our business. The administration's trade and government efficiency improvement initiatives have generated questions for most public companies. While many companies across the economy identified risks associated with current tariff and government efficiency policies, we believe that we are in a strong position.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

That's because we've conducted a thorough review of our supply chain to identify any potential impacts from tariffs and limitations on export of rare earth metals to The United States. Our review determined the following: first, we procure virtually no items subject to tariffs directly from foreign suppliers Second, the use of rare earths in our development, testing and production processes is negligible. Third, we contract for the purchase of materials at the front end of production orders, which minimizes our exposure to price increases over time. Further, our fixed price contracts typically renew on a twelve month basis, providing us with the opportunity to address cost increases or tariff related inputs in our pricing should they occur. As a result, there is little material pricing risk associated with 95% of our 2025 revenue.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

We believe that export tariffs do not represent a risk to our revenue because direct international sales represent less than 1% of our revenue. In fact, increases in defense spending amongst U. S. Allies may result in increased international revenue for Carmen in the future. While we cannot be certain how tariffs will affect the prices of material inputs we procure over the coming weeks and months, we are confident that we are very well positioned to manage any disruptions that may result.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

With respect to government efficiency programs, Carmen's value proposition is to deliver advanced solutions to customers more efficiently through deep IP enabled vertical integration. We provide design to production capabilities that shorten lead times and create value for our

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

customers. Further,

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

our efforts are focused on critical national security priority programs. The supply chain efficiency we deliver with our integrated solutions is highly aligned with the goals of government efficiency initiatives. In addition to providing overall high value to our customers, more than 90% of our contracts are firm fixed price, which means it's our responsibility to price contracts appropriately and manage our operations efficiently. Our ability to deliver advanced solutions effectively is illustrated in our strong financial results. Across our end markets, we see favorable conditions that support our current year goals and position us for continued profitable growth.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Our success depends almost entirely on the successful execution of our plans. To summarize, Carmen is well aligned with major space opportunities and strategic national security priorities, and we are well positioned to support emerging and next generation capabilities. Our business model is designed to deliver superior results under the current or any administration. Now I'll turn the call back to Tony for his closing comments.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Thanks, Jonathan. Carmen represents a new kind of space and defense company. We are a vertically integrated technology enabled merchant supplier to virtually every prime contractor across space, missile, missile defense and tactical uncrewed domains. Unlike many other companies that focus narrowly on a specific capability or domain such as machining, metal forming, composites, or energetics, we design, develop, test, and manufacture a broad range of integrated system solutions using a wide array of capabilities that we have spent decades perfecting. Our customers choose us because we do more than build or machine parts.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

We solve critical problems for them with an unmatched breadth of technology driven solutions, and we do so in a manner that provides more value to them than if they were to in source these activities. As we've said, we're off to a great start in 2025 with record quarterly revenue, adjusted EBITDA, funded backlog and nearly full visibility into our full year revenue guidance. Our business remains aligned with key space and defense priorities that are poised to receive meaningful increases in government and private sector funding. We are receiving signals that indicate the potential for new sources of demand, such as for the Golden Dome and for the replenishment of existing capabilities. And our ongoing involvement in hypersonics programs, NGI, Replicator and the Army's Launched Effects program and in fielded production programs positions us to benefit from an anticipated growth in funding.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

We believe that our exposure to the effects of tariffs, government efficiency initiatives and rare earth supply constraints is minimal. And our high revenue visibility gives us confidence in our ability to achieve our full year revenue guidance. And so this leads us to our fiscal year twenty twenty five guidance summarized on Slide nine. For 2025, we reaffirm our guidance of total revenue between $423,000,000 and $433,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA between 132 and $137,000,000 This represents year over year revenue growth of 24% and adjusted EBITDA growth of 27% to the midpoint of these ranges. We now expect approximately 48% of our full year revenue in the first half of our fiscal year based on the midpoint of our guidance range.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Our 2025 priorities have not changed and are shown on Slide 10. We remain focused on delivering sustained organic growth, executing on inorganic opportunities, one or two small acquisitions per year, investing in our team's talent and ultimately fulfilling our vision of being the industry's most sought after partner for mission critical systems. Our positioning has never been better aligned with market requirements, and our team is fully focused on delivering results and creating customer and shareholder value. Thank you to our employees, our customers and our shareholders for your continued trust and engagement. We will now take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question today comes from the line of Amit Daryanani from Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

Great. Thanks. This is Michael Fisher on for Amit. I just wanted to touch quickly on the SLS dynamic you mentioned in the press release. I'm wondering, is this just some quarterly lumpiness?

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

Or is there anything else to be aware of there with that program?

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

Previously, the first quarter twenty one SLS, it it did have higher demand at that point in time than what we have today. And so it was mainly just a a function of PO placement from our customer base. And and, really, from this point going forward, we would say that SLS is a, you

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

know, very negligible amount of our forecast going forward. Traction of 1% of total revenue in our go forward forecast. Yeah. Appreciate the question.

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

Yeah. Great. And then,

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

a little bit more broadly on the space and launch business. Is there is there any color you can provide on on how your content varies across customers and programs?

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

Is it is it pretty similar on each launch vehicle, or is

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

there quite a bit quite a bit of variance there?

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

There's certainly an amount of variance. You know, I kind of would point to our three product categories. You know, those categories, payload protection, aerodynamic interstage, and propulsion systems. Those have applications across all three of our market areas. And just given that diversification, we do see some variation between, the various launch providers.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

So some are more, oriented to aerodynamic interstages, while others may be more towards, propulsion systems.

Michael Fisher
Analyst at Evercore

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Arment from Baird. Your line is open.

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Yes. Good afternoon, Tony, Mike, Jonathan. Thanks for the details and nice results. Jonathan, you mentioned the reconciliation bill, 113,000,000,000 in spending and obviously there's going to be initial funding for Golden Dome. Do you expect any and obviously other things, missiles and hypersonic funding are we expecting any bookings associated with those areas this year?

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

I know you had previously expected a pretty healthy book to bill anyway this year.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Yes. I mean, I kind of would point to initially you know, our our record backlog right now, 636,000,000, 90 5 percent visibility to this year's, revenue. So strong with this year as that develops. You know, when that would, get defined enough to to actually convert to a bookings, we will have to see. So really don't know if it's this year or does it do we start to really recognize it, next year?

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

So we'll have to kinda be watching it. And then once once the budget is defined, then we'll have more visibility into some timing.

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Okay. That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up and related to that, I know you guys had kind of targeted 4% of revenues for CapEx. Any change to that just given that Golden Dome has gotten a little more defined since kind

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

of the IPO in that period of time?

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

No.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

I'd say that, that remains, Peter, for this year, our forecast. Again, as Jonathan indicated, as the details of Golden Dome and the elements of it in terms of the new capabilities that will be desired, we'll have to readdress that as we move forward. But right now, that 4% is adequate to meet the needs of the demand in front of us.

Peter Arment
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Appreciate it, Tommy. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Herbert from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Stephen Strackhouse
Stephen Strackhouse
Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets

Hi, good evening, Tony, Mike and Stephen. This is Steve Strachos on for Ken Herbert. I was hoping to just touch on your EBITDA guidance for the full year. It implies about a full 100 basis points step up throughout the year. Can you maybe just touch on some of the drivers there and what kind of gives you confidence in the rest of your outlook?

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

Yes. Sure. So operating leverage is a portion of that expanded EBITDA margin as well as some of the CapEx initiatives that we're taking in place right now that improves our efficiencies on the shop floor. So that's that's what we have laid out in front of us in terms of expansion on our EBITDA margins. Confidence is is strong.

Mike Willis
Mike Willis
CFO at Karman Holdings

It starts with our percent books that you've heard now a couple of times. 95 bookings in hand for the year, we expect to close the the last 5% here by the end of next month, and that that really starts with a confidence build. From there, it's it's in our hands for execution. And so that I guess I'd just leave it at that in terms of confidence for that forecast.

Stephen Strackhouse
Stephen Strackhouse
Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets

Yes. Sounds good. And then maybe just as a follow-up on the bookings. Looks like book to bill was maybe like 1.5, one point six in the quarter. And I know we talked about some strong bookings expectations for the full year.

Stephen Strackhouse
Stephen Strackhouse
Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets

Has that maybe changed at all? Do you think that you can maybe be closer to 1.5 times? Or how should we kind of think about bookings or your backlog kind of maybe exiting the rest of the year?

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Yeah. I I don't know that I would project 1.5 for the full year. As we've talked before, bookings can, in fact, be lumpy a bit. We think we've got a solid pipeline of opportunities. And again, the unknowns of what Golden Dome will ultimately lead to would have us without clear certainty of what that will be by the end of the year.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

But strong backlog, strong pipeline, sufficient to fund the growth that we were projecting.

Stephen Strackhouse
Stephen Strackhouse
Assistant Vice President at RBC Capital Markets

Sounds good. I'll jump back in queue.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bradley Aster from Citi. Your line is open.

Brad Eyster
Brad Eyster
Automotive Equity Research Senior Associate at Citi

Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just one quick question for you on the defense side of the business. So the new administration looks like it's going to try and engage in procurement reform, including a potential rewrite of the federal acquisition regulation and the consolidation of much more purchase power at the GSA.

Brad Eyster
Brad Eyster
Automotive Equity Research Senior Associate at Citi

Could you potentially talk a little bit about what you like about the existing procurement system and what you'd like to see changed? And then can you also discuss how all this change might impact your business? Thanks.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

As we've discussed, anything that drives the efficiency in in the government procurement process, we're in favor of, whether it's efficiency and decision making, getting to contract, lessening of of contract requirements, those are all favorable for us. We're built to help our supply our customers go fast, to get to solutions quicker with designs that that make sense and through integrated manufacturing to ultimate hardware in record times. And so we don't see anything negative about the the proposed, but still, you know, uncertain changes ahead.

Brad Eyster
Brad Eyster
Automotive Equity Research Senior Associate at Citi

Got it. Appreciate the color. Thank you. I'll pass it along.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Louis DePalma from William Blair. Your line is open.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Tony, Mike, Jonathan, and Steve, good afternoon.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Hey, Louis.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Hey. Last week, the US Navy announced progress with its conventional prompt strike hypersonic missile. In general, Tony, can you discuss your exposure to hypersonics? And I think you and XBAW Systems previously announced a partnership with the Navy for this particular conventional prompt strike, but you also have a partnership with them for the Army. So can you just discuss broadly your hypersonics exposure?

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Thanks.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Again, we're hesitant to talk specific programs without the authority from our customers. As we've said, we're on virtually all current hypersonic development programs at this point. We have partnerships with all of the propulsion houses, both the traditional, as you think of them, and the emerging players in that space. And and we continue to be well embedded in all of the ongoing development programs, I would say, including CPS.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Yeah.

Jonathan Beaudoin
Jonathan Beaudoin
COO at Karman Holdings

Across our product categories too. And when we when we look at hypersonics, all of our product categories have application there as well.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

It's probably as

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

far as we can go. Yeah.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

No. That's that's helpful. And following up on the strong bookings, you discussed the the 95% visibility, which is definitely a positive. But you you also referenced the the multiyear plan from the army to potentially double, GMLRS production. And so I was wondering, do your large customers, do they give you multiyear road maps?

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

And do those multiyear road maps and and budget trends, do they give you, like, longer term visibility beyond the twelve month contracts that, you know, give you confidence in your long term growth outlook?

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

When they can, they do. And so quite regularly, as we meet with our customers, the the discussion is what is the three to five year outlook so that we can plan capacity, appropriately for them. And so, you know, not contractual in nature many times. Sometimes, yes, in terms of co investment in that capacity need. But quite generally, we have good discussions with our customers around the three to five year time horizon.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Great. Because, yeah, it would seem that, you know, if there were this unfunded backlog that, you know, you would have that visibility given how, you know, you are embedded for some of these programs that you referenced, then it would be very difficult to swap you out.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Without question, that that is, that's a true statement.

Louie Dipalma
Research Analyst at William Blair

Great. That's it for me. Thanks, everyone.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Thanks, Blake.

Operator

And that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Steven Gitlin for closing remarks.

Tony Koblinski
Tony Koblinski
CEO at Karman Holdings

Thank you, Rob, and thank you all for your attention today and for your interest in Carmen. An archived version of today's call, all SEC filings and relevant company and industry news can be found on our website at carmensd.com. We wish you a good day, and we look forward to speaking with you again following next quarter's results.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Steven Gitlin
      Steven Gitlin
      VP of Investor Relations
    • Tony Koblinski
      Tony Koblinski
      CEO
    • Mike Willis
      Mike Willis
      CFO
    • Jonathan Beaudoin
      Jonathan Beaudoin
      COO
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