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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Vertical Aerospace EPS ResultsActual EPS$4.44Consensus EPS -$0.40Beat/MissBeat by +$4.84One Year Ago EPSN/AVertical Aerospace Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AVertical Aerospace Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/13/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, May 13, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsVertical Aerospace's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, August 12, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Vertical Aerospace Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 13, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Carly, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Vertical Aerospace Q1 twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:25Simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Charlotte. Please go ahead. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:00:40Hello, everybody. Good morning. I'm Charlotte Cowley, Director of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace, and I'm delighted to welcome you to our Q1 twenty twenty five earnings call today. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that during today's call, we'll be making forward looking statements. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by the forward looking statements. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:01:02Any forward looking statements we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. We've posted an accompanying slide deck to the Investor Relations section of our website at investors.verticalaerospace.com, which contains information and cautionary warnings on forward looking statements. For a more complete discussion about these risks and uncertainties, we've also filed a six k with the SEC this morning. Now I would like to hand you over to Stuart. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:01:30Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to our q one call. I am Stuart Simpson, the CEO of Vertical Aerospace. I'm gonna cover three things. Firstly, to remind you why we believe we are set to succeed. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:01:45Secondly, I'll update you on our progress during the quarter. And thirdly, to give you some color around the big announcement we made yesterday of our hybrid program, a hybrid aircraft with a range of a thousand miles. This represents a huge additional market opportunity for us across defense and wider commercial operations, all incremental to our base flight plan 2030 that has already been communicated. Given it is all about having the right capacity for moving people and things, this hybrid gives us an incredible opportunity, we have the largest dimensions of our tiltrotor pairs, and this puts us in a brilliant position to be able to dominate this space. Then doctor Limhai Summerville, our director of engineering, will discuss our battery and technical details and progress made on hybrid to date. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:02:39I'll then touch on where we closed the quarter in terms of financials before we open the call for questions. In November, we launched our flight path 2030 business strategy, setting a clear road map to lead the eVTOL sector by the end of the decade. We established transparent financial and operating metrics for '25, '20 '8, '20 '30, and beyond, including a credible timetable for certification. As you will hear today, we have already made meaningful progress towards achieving these targets, further strengthening our belief that vertical is going to be a winner in the sector. We have a best in class aircraft in terms of safety, capacity for both people and luggage, and comfort. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:03:26We are the only eVTOL player positioned to serve the full global market by certifying to the highest aviation standards. We are moving at pace through the certification process with all phases of piloted flight tests on track to be completed in 2025. We have a highly capital efficient approach with a clear path to profitability, spending approximately 75% less than our peers for a superior product. And we have a lean and highly experienced team that has certified 30 plus aircraft and propulsion systems. Turning to our progress since the start of the year. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:04:06It's been a quarter of significant momentum, and I'm pleased to share several key developments as we advance our mission to bring electric flight to customers. Starting with our test program, where we have achieved a number of important technical milestones building on our completion of thrust borne testing earlier this year. Most notably, we delivered record breaking piloted high speed taxi tests with our VX four demonstrator. These tests validated key systems under real world conditions and are a major step towards our next piloted wing born flight, which we anticipate starting in q two. Completing piloted wing born will be an incredibly significant moment for us. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:04:52Not only will this make us in the top two OEMs in the industry for piloted flight tests, but as a UK based aerospace business, where unlike other jurisdictions, the burden of safety is shared with a regulator, having a joint liability with the company. As such, each phase of testing can only occur with specific approvals from the UK Civil Aviation Authority. As you can imagine, we are working incredibly closely with them to achieve this next step. To this end, we have submitted around 20,000 pages of documentation to the CAA to extend our permit to fly to encompass piloted wing borne flight. The CAA's approval of this test will serve as a strong signal of their confidence in the safety, design, and ability of the VX four aircraft to operate public airspace. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:05:51We expect to advance to this stage over the next few months. I would like to address one topic that has arisen in recent days. We are aware a claim was made that the UKCAA will be aligning their certification standards to those of the FAA. As you would expect, we have very frequent interaction with the CAA as our home regulator, both at the working level and with the most senior levels of its executive management team. Since that claim was made, the CAA's management have confirmed the following to us in writing. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:06:26The CAA's position on certification of eVTOL aircraft is set out transparently in its certification of eVTOL aircraft publication available on its website. This document confirms the CAA will use SC VTOL as the certification basis for eVTOL aircraft in The UK. SC VTOL includes the safety requirement that these aircraft demonstrate a catastrophic failure rate of 10 to the minus nine. There has been no change to this published certification standard for eVTOLs. The CAA is working with other authorities, including both the FAA and the ASA towards international harmonization of eVTOL certification. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:07:18Based on this written confirmation, it is clear to us that The UK safety objectives remain unchanged. Any such change would require due process, which includes a public consultation. As we have said for several years, we welcome attempts between global regulators to harmonize certification standards, but we do not believe this should or will be at the expense of passenger safety. We firmly believe that passengers will expect these aircraft to be as safe as commercial airliners, and we know our customers share that view. Safety is nonnegotiable. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:07:59We remain confident that by certifying our aircraft to the highest commercial aircraft safety standards globally, we will be uniquely positioned in the industry with the only offering capable of serving all jurisdictions around the world. This brings me to another important point. These aircraft are being designed to carry passengers and will be certified as such, which is why we maintain it is absolutely critical to conduct a piloted test with one of our experienced test pilots in the cockpit under real world conditions. All the data we have from previous flight tests, hours of modeling, and numerous simulations give us total confidence in the capability of our aircraft and the success of our upcoming piloted wing ball flight test. In terms of our operational goals for 2025, we are on track to complete all phases of our piloted flight test program by the end of the year, including transition flight, the final stage of testing, giving us even more confidence in our certification timeline. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:09:03The team's discipline and execution continue to prove that we have the right approach to certification and development and that the VX four is one of the most advanced eVTOL aircraft under development today. And as you know, we do all our development with a pilot on board to ensure that we get not just digital feedback and data, but information from our test pilot, real world insight from some of the world's most experienced test pilots. This ensures the final aircraft will meet our customer expectations for safety, comfort, and quality. Importantly, as we continue to progress on our priorities, we are on track to double our airborne test fleet capabilities this year as we complete the assembly of the identical twin prototype aircraft, which has already been moved to our flight test center at Cotswolds Airport for finalization of the assembly. This will also unlock further learnings as we install the hybrid powertrain that we referred to earlier in the call. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:10:07Moving on to partnerships. We have made significant progress both commercially and strategically. Just last week, we finalized a key decision to advance our production plans. Specifically, we formalized and expanded our partnership with Honeywell to deliver flight controls and aircraft management systems for our certification and production aircraft. In addition, we have chosen Honeywell for Anceptas to make VX4 easier and safer for pilots to fly. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:10:34This partnership and the use of Honeywell's leading systems will unlock the efficiencies and speed necessary for Vertical to lead the industry in bringing the safest and most scalable product to market. It is a contract of some significant value worth approximately a billion dollars over the next ten years. Honeywell has been and will continue to be a fantastic partner. I'm delighted we have forged such a close working relationship over the last six years and can see this lasting long into the future. We are also supporting the acceleration of a global wide industry charging infrastructure by adopting the combined charging standard CCS for the VX four, the same as Beta and Archer. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:11:18We believe a unified approach to charging is essential for the industry to be successfully globally. It will help ensure seamless integration for OEMs, operators, and infrastructure infrastructure providers while reducing costs and accelerating the adoption of electric aviation. Using CCS fast charging standard will allow Vertical's VX4 to achieve quick turnaround times, including rapid battery charging and conditioning for shuttle operations. Ultimately, our adoption of CCS will enable immediate interoperability with all CCS charges of this standard, including Beta's growing network. Finally, we've announced the addition of three new directors to our board, building on the steps we took earlier in the year with Donal Slattery rejoining as chair and Eamon Brennan joining as a board adviser. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:12:07Three new directors are Chris Haber, JK Brown, and Carsten Szendevad. With these appointments, we continue to strengthen our governance and strategic leadership with deep complementary experiences, particularly in industrial scale up, and all three have phenomenal capital markets expertise. Chris, amongst other roles, has been the COO of Investcorp and Advent International. JK was a founding partner at Oxf Management, and Carsten is currently co chief investment officer for sustainable investing at Bridgewater Associates and a board adviser to GIC. Their combined insights and expertise will be invaluable as we enter our next phase of development. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:12:53I will hand over to doctor Limhai Somerville, our director of engineering, to provide some detail on our success in battery development, a team he has been leading for the last six years. It is the strength of the innovation and capability within this team that has enabled us to unveil details of our well advanced hybrid program yesterday. It is tremendously exciting and unlocks new additional multibillion dollar market opportunities for us. This aircraft will have a range of over a thousand miles, opening up additional use cases, most specifically within defense, cargo, emergency services, and long range commercial missions, where it is all about moving people and things. As I said before, our airframe is of a greater scale than peers, we feel we are well placed to dominate in this space. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:13:42All represent upside opportunities to the targets we shared in flight path '20 '30. The hybrid powertrain will be integrated into our next generation VX four variant with with flight testing planned to start next year. Within flight path twenty thirty, it is worth remembering that our battery systems will be replaced more frequently than the airframe itself, one to two times a year depending on how our customers fly and use the aircraft, something akin to the razor razor blade model. This means into the 2030s, Vertical's revenues will reach a fifty fifty split of aircraft to battery with a very healthy gross margin of greater than 40% for the battery. In addition, there are most likely second life applications such as marine or CTOL, for example, which will provide an additional source of revenue for the business, again, not included in the base case flight plan 02/1930. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:14:40I'm incredibly proud to say that Limhai is due to present to the Royal Society of London later this month. The Royal Society is The UK's National Academy Of Sciences, and Lim Hai has been invited to give a presentation to this prestigious institution on Vertical's battery capability and how Vertical is set to lead the industry. That presentation will highlight the incredible promise of our proprietary battery Over to you, Lim. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:15:09Bye. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:15:11Thanks, Stuart. Hello. My name is doctor Lim. I've been at Vertical Aerospace for six years and last year became director of engineering. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:15:20I used to lead our powertrain and before that, battery teams, which is why I will speak to you today. Some information about me before I start. I previously worked on battery systems at Jaguar Land Rover and at Argonne National Laboratory in Chicago before that. I also spent five years chairing the Urukai Electrical subgroup one of working group one one two, leading on many of the existing certification standards accepted by EASA as part of the SCV toll means of compliance for battery and electrical system certification. So what I will share with you today. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:15:53First, our battery system team capabilities and manufacturing approach are world class. Second, we have evidence of this, having now achieved significant milestones that derisk our path to a category enhanced certification. And third, we're open for business, ready to sell our advanced battery systems to the world. Finally, I will touch on the last eighteen months of development on our hybrid program and give you an insight on our quiet confidence in this area. Let's fly through it now. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:16:22One, world class battery team, systems, capabilities, manufacturing. Our lithium ion battery systems are the cornerstone of our aircraft backed by more than six years of development. Here's what sets our battery apart. The team is comprised of a perfect blend of aerospace, automotive, and control electronics experience. This has not happened by chance and gives us the right blend of performance, focus, and certification rigor. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:16:46Energy power, density, and performance. Our battery packs achieve a four to one cell to pack ratio delivering more than 200 watt hours per kilogram dependent on cell choice, including electronics, controls, sensors, and wiring. Cycle life and durability. Our cells deliver more than 800 full cycle equivalents with approximately 90% capacity retention, ensuring lower maintenance costs and reliable performance over the aircraft's life. Cost efficiency for the life of the vehicle. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:17:18Our battery systems will be replaced much more frequently than the airframe. This means over time, battery costs drive a much higher proportion of the long term high margin revenue. Our battery systems have been designed to allow replacement of the cells with minimal cost, fast charging and cooling. Through millions of cell module and full pack cycle hours in proprietary testing rigs, our system can be optimized to charge fast, getting the balance between turnaround time, lifetime and performance precisely how the customer wants it. Highest certification standards. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:17:51We have designed our system from the very beginning to comply with the EASA and the CAA stringent SCV toll regulations, which is the highest levels of safety in aviation. Software integration. We utilize a proprietary battery management and control system that is designed to the highest assurance level, achieving sensor redundancy, software optimization, and excellent prediction of remaining power manufacturing. Our business uses a capital light and efficient operating model precertification whilst ensuring we have the intellectual know how and capability to scale up when we're ready. I've seen firsthand the risks associated with early industrialization. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:18:31Not only does it often consume millions in purchase of equipment is unsuitable, but ultimately, it can also force poor decisions on the designs that now legacy manufacturing equipment is considered nonnegotiable design hardpoints. Two, developments derisking EASA SCVTOL certification. Our advancements significantly derisk our path to the CAA and EASA SCVTOL certification targeted for 2028. The SCV toll framework sets rigorous and clear safety and performance standards that we can show compliance against with our technology. The key developments include, we're on our eighth iteration of battery design since vertical aerospace brought this capability in house. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:19:13We have been using our own batteries to power the v x four prototype flight test for years, and we are on the eleventh battery. Our latest design is the safest, lightest, and most capable yet, and we haven't finished with two more development cycles in the next twelve months before locking down the final battery for our production aircraft. Let me give you an example of the benefits coming from each iteration. Between aircraft one and our current prototype, we save more than 100 kilograms. That's 10% of our battery system mass whilst also improving mechanical thermal drop and power performance. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:19:48We've been developing the technology in our battery systems for years. Our first propagation and drop tested battery pack was in 2020 with both EASA and the CAA in attendance. On April ninth of this year, we passed the 15.2 meter full pack drop test, which is comparable to the fuel tank drop test on a traditional rotorcraft. To be clear, we passed the same drop test on our battery system in twenty twenty, five years ago. According to the requirements defined by EASA within SCVTOL, we continue to optimize the design to reduce mass significantly and then pass this test again this year. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:20:23Passing that test is comparatively easy. Passing that test with all functionality present at the energy and power density we have is tough, and we've done it. Battery system propagation testing. We've completed nearly 200 propagation tests to date across multiple different battery iterations aiming to not only meet the EASA SCV toll means a compliance three standard, but also understand our performance against them. On April twenty ninth of this year, we passed our latest full scale thermal one way propagation on a subpack from our VX four aircraft. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:20:59We have two further optimization rounds to go as we continue to test and optimize the battery system further and ensure we understand and can pass all of the nuanced edge conditions that are possible. What this means is that in line with the SSSCV toll requirements, if a battery fire were to occur on one of our vehicles in flight, we'd be able to continue safe flight and landing either to the destination or to an alternative landing port with full maneuverability of the aircraft, disembowel from the aircraft, and all of this whilst ensuring the complete safety of the occupants and the aircraft itself. Whilst there cannot be any guarantees on timeline to certify, we've taken industry leading certification standards, applied them rigorously, and iterated multiple times until we pass them using a battery that is exceptionally high in energy and power for the mass at a cost that makes the business profitable in the future. Three, we're open for business. We're selling our battery systems and new opportunities. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:21:57One of our most significant investments of vertical has been on the development of our hardware, software, and mechanical battery systems. We believe we have one of, if not the best, battery teams in the world, and we're now ready to tell the world about what they've achieved because they've achieved it. We've used this exact same approach of technology development on battery as we have on our hybrid program. Iterate quietly, make progress on the difficult technological work to show it works, and at a performance point we think is commercially viable and then share that with the world. For the last eighteen months, we've been working on a hybrid powertrain system. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:22:33Our aircraft has a segregated electrical architecture for redundancy and to comply with the category enhanced requirement that means we can continue safe flight and landing after any single failure. This capability allows us to take off and land in all electric configuration, cruise with the turbine operating when noise is less impactful and charging all the batteries if it's needed, and then land again in an all electric configuration. Obviously, this significantly impacts the range capability of our vehicle as Stuart has just made clear. The first hybrid generation used a combustion engine, and the second generation will be a gas turbine. We are so far developed in this that we are planning to incorporate it into our third prototype aircraft, star flight testing in 2026. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:23:21I really want to be clear on the technical significance of what we have done so far. We have proven the capability of a single engine to provide power to a multiple electrically independent systems, including under edge case failure conditions. This is one of the most technically complex parts of development and critical to being able to operate under category enhanced type certificate. Now we have done that, we will incorporate it onto the prototype aircraft for flight testing, coupled with our best in class battery systems, and start testing in 2026. This is also where our larger aircraft and cabin is beneficial because the volumetric limitations on a smaller airframe would stop us from making such a change without consuming the available cabin space and thus invalidating its value or requiring a completely new or significant change to the type certificate. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:24:13In our case, the range payload benefits of hybrid can be gained by consuming the luggage compartment and a minor encroachment on available cabin space, which is very spacious in an all electric configuration. Of course, in unpiloted configurations, there would be no need to encroach on the available volume at all. I hope you found that informative. I'll now hand back to Stuart. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:24:36Thank you, Lim Hai. As you've heard, we're advancing across every dimension, technology, commercial traction, and strategic positioning. We remain focused on achieving our certification goals, progressing towards production, and building long term value for our shareholders. In terms of our finances, we continue to demonstrate sector leading capital efficiency while investing appropriately for the continuing successful execution of our plans. Net cash used in operating activities for q one twenty twenty five was approximately 30,000,000, and our guidance for the spend for the year as a whole is unchanged at approximately a hundred and 10 to a hundred and 25,000,000. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:25:17We closed the quarter with approximately $90,000,000 cash and cash equivalent on hand. As I highlighted on the full year call in March, each time we report, there will be a noncash financing movement relating to our outstanding convertible loan notes. This is highly volatile driven by a calculation relative to the prevailing stock price. For q one, this was a £396,000,000 credit to the p and l, and just to be clear, noncash. Just starting to wrap up. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:25:52To remind you again of what we have set out to achieve operationally this year, You can see the points on the slide, and we are on track to achieve all of them. And in addition, we have announced our new hybrid aircraft. Before turning over to q and a, I would like to remind you why we believe we are set to become one of the winners in the sector. Incredible progress to date, a clear plan for '25 and beyond with a clear route to certification in 2028. We have a best in class aircraft set to be certified at the highest safety standards to be able to support our customers across all geographies with a capacity for both luggage and passengers that is unmatched in the sector. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:26:37We have announced our advanced hybrid program, creating an aircraft with over a thousand miles capability and opening up further multibillion dollar opportunities. And we have an incredibly focused and highly capital efficient business model. We focus on where we, as vertical, can make a real difference and then working with world class partners for efficiency and effectiveness. Thank you again for joining us today. We'll now open the line for questions. Operator00:27:11At this time, I will now turn the call over to Charlotte for questions. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:27:17Thank you. So we just thought we would raise one question that we got quite a few people asking us yesterday on the back of the hybrid. So this is to ask Stuart, what is the impact on our cash spend and our cash burn going forward given the hybrid announcement yesterday? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:27:34No. Thank you for the question. I think the first point to to note is we've been working on this hybrid powertrain for some eighteen months. So all of that development that Lim, I, and the team have done was within the cash spend that we've talked about over the prior years. So we've done a huge amount of the hard work in terms of getting the battery to talk to the motor, to talk to our EPUs. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:28:00All of that was in the cash envelope we've already had, demonstrating the incredible capital efficiency by being really, really focused on what we're doing. So as of today, no change to our guidance for this year. The cash spend for this year remains projected to be in the range of 110,000,000 to $125,000,000. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:28:23Thanks, Stuart. So back over to you, operator, for polling for the q and a, but we just wanted to address that as we've had a lot of incoming yesterday. Operator00:28:32Thank you. First question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:29:05Hey. Hey. Good afternoon. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:29:07Sorry. I was wondering if I could ask a little bit more on the certification front for the high bid VTOL. Just is that a supplemental type certification? Or would you have to start from scratch with EASA? And just along that, if you kind of go down the path of defense applications, is there kind of a pathway to revenue generation before EASA certification? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:29:35So morning, Savi. Thank you for the question. In terms of the hybrid product, it goes within our current airframe. So everything that we're doing there, we're on track with. And to be clear, nothing that we've announced on a hybrid distracts us from the core underlying electric v four aircraft, which is well on track for certification in 2028. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:29:57The hybrid will be certified as a separate aircraft, likely in and around the same time as the electric v x four, maybe slightly delayed because we're as you know, we haven't fitted it in an aircraft yet. That being said, we will have a full scale piloted hybrid aircraft flying in q two next year. It's incredibly, incredibly excitement exciting moment for us. In terms of, you know, earlier revenue opportunities, we've we've been in deep discussions for several months with various potential customers. We can't really say any more than that and in terms of short term changes to cash flow guidance, etcetera. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:30:35So I'm sorry I can't go into detail on that, but thank you for the question, Savi. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:30:41Just to clarify, does does Defence have different certification requirements? Is that a fair assumption? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:30:47It does depending on what the use cases are. Yes. So there are potentially ways that this could be certified earlier, but we don't wanna get into that at a minute. As I say, we're just incredibly excited to put this aircraft out there having been working on it for eighteen months. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:31:04Makes sense. I I realized that was a multipart question, I'll get back on the queue. Thanks. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:31:08No problem. Thanks, Savi. Operator00:31:12Your next question comes from Austin Moeller with Canaccord. Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:31:18Hi, good morning. Just my first question here. So will the hybrid powertrain be integrated into one of the two existing airframes that you have to conduct testing next year, or would there be a third airframe that you would be integrating that into? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:31:37So morning, Austin. Thank you for the question. The hybrid will be going into the airframe that is well under construction at the minute. We've done a huge amount of the build work on that. We'll be tidying that up over the next three months, four months. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:31:51First of all, we'll be flying it as a all electric aircraft. As I've mentioned before, we continue to drive the VX four program to completion and certification in 2028. We will then retrofit the hybrid powertrain to that aircraft, and we'll have that flying in q two next year, q two twenty twenty six. Hopefully, that clarifies it, Austin. Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:32:16Okay. That's helpful. And just a follow-up. So on the EASA certification process, I think it mentions in the shareholder letter that you expect to complete the flight test program this year. But presumably, there would be additional flight testing with additional aircraft units in in the out years here as you work towards your your type certificate, or how Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:32:41should we be thinking about that? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:32:43Yeah. Good good question, Austin. What we're referring to there is going through the four phases of flight test expansion. We're going into WingBorn over the next couple of months, an incredible moment for us as a company. As you know, there's joint liability with our regulator. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:33:02And when we do WingBorn, we will be into public airspace. So it's a huge vote of confidence in us that our aircraft will be flying in public airspace. It's basically a huge sign from the regulator that they believe we're on the right track and are happy to say the aircraft is safe to fly in public airspace. Later this year, we'll then do the full transition, so incredibly excited about that. That completes the four phases. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:33:30We then will have two aircraft capable of repeating that multiple times to generate more and more test information that we feed into our models and to continue to develop our understanding of the VX four. So hopefully, that explains it. We will definitely be doing a lot more flying. Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:33:51Excellent. Looking forward to it. Thank you for the clarification. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:33:54Thanks, Austin. Operator00:33:58Your next question comes from Jesse Sobolson with D. Borel Capital. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:34:05Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions here. The first one I have is just it's a little bit of just a detail oriented item here. With the testing on the fully electric aircraft, I just want make sure we're 100% fully understanding expectations for wing borne testing. When you say it's in 2Q twenty five, is this phase beginning in this quarter? Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:34:27Is it expected to be completed in this quarter? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:34:30It will be beginning in this quarter. And as I just said, this is an incredible moment for us because we have a huge high bar to climb to be able to fly in public airspace. So it really does set us apart. It's an incredible moment for the company when that happens, and we are absolutely targeting that in q two twenty twenty five. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:34:53Great. Great. Thank you very much for the clarification there. And then I did want to touch upon the hybrid announcement. Think it's very interesting. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:35:01With respect to commercial opportunities, how does the introduction of a hybrid electric propulsion system expand verticals capabilities from maybe focusing just on urban air mobility to expanding into regional air mobility? Is it possible that airlines could be purchasing this for use for short regional flights in the future? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:35:18Yeah. Great great question, Jesse. The capability of this aircraft is utterly transformational. It'll have a range of over a thousand miles. It will have a payload capability of over 1,100 kilograms, and this is all because we have the best airframe in the industry. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:35:36We always knew from day one that defense and longer range commercial opportunities would be opened up by a hybrid powertrain. So we've had this working for a long time in the knowledge that this would come along and be an opportunity. And, of course, having the biggest airframe means we will be the most capable in this sector, more people and more things over a longer distance. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:36:01Great. Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:36:03Yeah. Thanks, Jesse. Operator00:36:07Your next question comes from Laura Lee with Deutsche Bank. Laura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche Bank00:36:13Hey. Thank you for taking my question and congrats on all the progress. So my question is about the battery business that you talk about. So how will that business model look like? Laura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche Bank00:36:25Is that like a direct sales or like as a service? And also any color on the timeline, like when you expect it to start generating revenue? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:36:34Laura, thank you. That's a great great question. I'll do, a short intro and then hand it over to Lim Hai. You know, the battery our battery capability led by Lim Hai, and now by the wider team is incredible. I am so proud to be able to work with these people. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:36:52What they've done is incredible. We see huge opportunity here as you look forward, both selling our battery powertrain capabilities, but also the second life. So we take the batteries off the aircraft, the v x four, then opening up a new opportunity to sell those again for different applications, whether that's marine, CTOL, etcetera. With that, Limhai, maybe if you wanna add a little bit of color commentary around that. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:37:21Yeah. Thanks, Stuart, and, thanks, Laura, for the questions. So, really, it's it's predominantly been around making progress against the battery system and and trying to prove that we could technically do the things that we both said, and and we were required in terms of the technology itself. So that's kind of the bit that we've hit. We've been contacted for years now with respect to battery systems of individuals interested, and we've rejected a number of them because of the focus that we've put in both on that and and the right opportunities were not coming along. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:37:53And I suppose this is us sort of informing everyone that, you know, we will start accepting some of those. We will start looking into some of those now and and and and certainly in the coming weeks and months ahead. You know, I'd expect to hear more about that precisely because we were getting really good good values. We're getting we're seeing great performance, and and and we're kind of hitting lots of of points that are quite difficult and and problematic to be able to hit at a really good energy and power density. So hopefully, that answers your question. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:38:23At least give some color that Stuart was referring to. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:38:26Yeah. Thanks, Lim. Hi. And, Laura, just to remind you, every airframe that we sell, there is an underlying amazing battery business here for us. Every airframe we sell will get one to two batteries a year at a greater than 40% margin. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:38:39So within a few years after launch, we'll be 50% revenue from batteries, 50% from the airframe. And it's a fantastic ongoing business, the razor razor blade model. So really exciting part for us. Laura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche Bank00:38:54Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. I appreciate the color. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:38:59Thanks, Laura. Operator00:39:02Your next question comes from Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:39:08Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Great presentation today with all the color. Just with respect to certification in other jurisdictions, how should we think about what is taking place for The U. S. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:39:20Market, The EU and other opportunities or other jurisdictions you are pursuing? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:39:27Great. Morning, Amit. Thanks for the question. In terms of certification, as you know, our home regulator is the CAA. They are linked to, EARSA in terms of the standard they've set. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:39:38They're both very, very clear. They're using the SC VTOL certification basis at 10 to the minus nine, the same as a large passenger carrying jet. We believe this is what market wants. We believe this is what customers want, and safety should be nonnegotiable. Now that is the the most challenging standard in the industry. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:39:58We know how to hit it. We can hit it. Because it's a little bit higher than others, we will be working with all the regulators around the world to passport the aircraft into those markets. You know, we're extremely excited about getting to The US, getting to The Middle East, getting to Asia. Huge opportunities for us there. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:40:17But in terms of certification, we'll do it in The UK working hand in hand with them as a home regulator at the same standard as EASA, who we're also working incredibly closely with. Hopefully, that gives a bit of a feel for it, Amit. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:40:33Yes. No. I appreciate that. Thank you. Just one more for me. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:40:37How are you building, you know, sort of customer relationships at this point? I know it's still early, you know, given that you're testing and going through all the certification stuff. But in terms of facing customers and showing them the product, etcetera, what kind of feedback are you getting? Any color on that side of the process would be helpful. Thank you. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:40:59Yeah. Great. Really, really good question. I think this is something that sets us apart as We have an incredible order book. We're very proud to have American Airlines, Bristol, Babcock, Japan, Kakao, GOL. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:41:13I mean, phenomenal customer base all across the world, and and that's underpinned by our certification standard at 10 to the minus nine. In terms of how we manage the relationships, we've been listening and working with our customers from day one in terms of what the aircraft capabilities need to be. And that's one of the reasons we have the best airframe. We start with six full scale business class passengers, and really importantly, they can take luggage line. So we launch with four people plus a 20, hundred and 30 kilograms of luggage capacity. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:41:47No one else can do this. We can quickly expand within the same airframe. No big certification hurdle to six passengers. And how we maintain this relationship, twice a year, we bring our customers to us in Bristol. They spend two, three, four days with us twice a year, and we walk through, okay, how the aircraft's evolving, get them to meet the team, but most importantly, understand their use cases, how they want to deploy it, and help them model out how we bring this to market in a way that's incredibly successful and profitable for them, and we can provide them with the aircraft that they need. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:42:24So we're we're very proud of all our customers. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:42:29Thank you, Stuart. That's all I have. Operator00:42:34Next question comes from David Zazula with Barclays. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:42:41Hey, good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. Can I just follow-up on that? I think there had been an announcement from a significant UK airline that they were considering looking at another platform. Is that something you're hearing from any of your other customers that they're looking around? Or do you feel like you have the home market pretty well under control? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:43:06Yeah, David. Great question. I think one of the things I inherited when I took over as CEO was an order book that have been closed for a couple of years. Now it's one of the things we are going to open up that order book this year as we deepen and expand our customer base over the coming months and year. So we will absolutely be having conversations, not just in The UK, but all across the world as we look to further bolster that order book. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:43:34As we're getting closer to certification, we've got a confirmed date in terms of when we get certified. We know we can hit it. Now is a great time to really start opening up that order book again across the world. So, hopefully, that gives you a bit of color commentary without going into specifics, David. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:43:52That is helpful. For LibHyte, we've heard a characterization of battery as kind of a choice between erring more on the side of safety, erring more on the side of being aggressive and towards performance. 200 watt hours per kilogram seems like you are trying to push performance. So I guess, one, would you agree that, that is a fair characterization of the choices that suppliers are making on the battery side? And where do you fall, you know, if so, on that sort of spectrum in your battery design? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:44:28So, David, I'll just take that and then hand to Lim Hai. Just to be clear, safety is paramount for us, nonnegotiable. So we are doing everything, and I think we are the world leaders in this. What Limai and the team have done is remarkable, and we will have a battery certified to 10 to the minus nine. Absolutely the best in the industry. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:44:48So we we must put that at the front of it. I think with that, Le Mai, if you wanna comment on David's other points about power density, etcetera. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:44:57Yeah. Thanks, Stuart, and thanks for the question, David. Fundamentally, you know, to come back to Stuart's point, that really is the the goal always is we have to be able to show that we're we're safe. And if you take Yasuo as an example, they gave an excellent talk a couple of years ago of basically what looked like a a battery onion as they went through the different layers of safety that they expect in order to be able to clarify that at the Reuters conference. And that's essentially the same goal that we've gone from gone for. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:45:27But to give you an example, when we went from our aircraft one to our aircraft two, the only thing that changed was actually or or the primary thing that changed, not the only thing that changed, but the primary thing that saved us mass was an optimization of the plastics that we were using. And so we were pretty good before, but not great. And then we optimized and we went through the plastics that we were using, both the selection, material selection, and essentially mechanically how it's structured. And so that's where this the the unit comes from. It doesn't impact safety in that respect. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:45:58In fact, the safety got better because we moved more towards self extinguishing materials and plastics. And so from that respect, you know, to come back to Stuart's point, that really is the baseline. There's there's no way around that. You've got to achieve that. Everything that we're doing is achieving that whilst trying to optimize and make make us, you know, better in terms of performance. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:46:20Hopefully, that answers your question. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:46:23Super helpful. If I could just squeeze one more in, Stuart. I mean, I didn't see anything. Maybe I missed it on EPU. I mean, anything to announce there or any any preview you can give us on, yeah, how you're thinking about the EPU? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:46:36So nothing we can announce other than the current ones we have are doing an incredible job. They're outperforming on every dimension. We've got a handful of options as we look to move forward through the certification and put in place a certification contract and production contract. So nothing to announce as yet, but we're really confident in that space, and we've got incredible EVUs on our current current aircraft. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:47:04Awesome. Thanks so much. I'll hop back in the queue. Operator00:47:06There Operator00:47:12are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Stuart for closing remarks. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:47:19Thank you. First of all, thanks everyone for joining. Really, really appreciate you taking the time. This has been an incredible past few months for Vertical. Absolutely transformational for the business starting in December where we restructured the balance sheet. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:47:36From that point on, raising the $90,000,000 in January, the flight test progress this year has been incredible, and we are so close to WingBorn flying. As we said, we'll be doing that within the next couple of months, certainly in q two. Absolutely fantastic and will really set us apart versus other people because we're doing this under the auspices of a regulator that is validating our aircraft to be safe to fly in public airspace. We've signed our certification and production contract with Honeywell. We have strengthened our board and, really importantly, the announcement of the hybrid. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:48:13You know, we've been working on this for some time. We are so proud to be able to bring it to market today, a range of a thousand miles, capacity of 1,100 kilos, low noise signature. It really does open tremendous, tremendous opportunity for us across defense and other commercial markets. So I don't think we've ever been better placed for success. So thanks again for joining. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:48:36Really appreciate all the questions. I look forward to updating you, hopefully, pretty quickly on some further news. So thank you very much. Operator00:48:47Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesCharlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic FinanceStuart SimpsonChief Executive OfficerLimhi SomervilleDirector of EngineeringAnalystsSavanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James FinancialAustin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital MarketsJesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral CapitalLaura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche BankAmit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays CapitalPowered by Key Takeaways PilotedWingborne Flight Targeted in Q2: After record-breaking high-speed taxi tests, Vertical plans piloted wing-borne flight in Q2 2025 under CAA oversight, aiming to complete all phases of its piloted flight test program by year-end to support its 2028 certification timeline. 1000-Mile Hybrid Aircraft Announced: Vertical unveiled a new hybrid VX4 variant with over 1,000-mile range and 1,100 kg payload to address defense, cargo, and long-range commercial missions, with hybrid flight testing slated for 2026. World-Class In-House Battery Systems: Leveraging 6+ years of development, its lithium-ion packs deliver >200 Wh/kg, 800+ cycles, and SC-VTOL safety, underpinning a razor-and-blades revenue model with batteries replaced 1–2 times per year at >40% gross margin plus second-life opportunities. Strategic $1 B Honeywell Partnership: A 10-year, ~$1 billion contract engages Honeywell to supply flight controls and aircraft management systems for the VX4 production fleet, while Vertical adopts the CCS charging standard to ensure industry inter-operability. Capital-Efficient Financial Position: Q1 operating cash burn was ~$30 million, closing with ~$90 million cash on hand and maintaining FY25 spend guidance of $110–125 million, complemented by three new board directors to strengthen governance. AI Generated. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Carly, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Vertical Aerospace Q1 twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:25Simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Charlotte. Please go ahead. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:00:40Hello, everybody. Good morning. I'm Charlotte Cowley, Director of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace, and I'm delighted to welcome you to our Q1 twenty twenty five earnings call today. Before we get started, I would like to remind you that during today's call, we'll be making forward looking statements. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by the forward looking statements. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:01:02Any forward looking statements we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. We've posted an accompanying slide deck to the Investor Relations section of our website at investors.verticalaerospace.com, which contains information and cautionary warnings on forward looking statements. For a more complete discussion about these risks and uncertainties, we've also filed a six k with the SEC this morning. Now I would like to hand you over to Stuart. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:01:30Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, everyone. Thank you for joining us, and welcome to our q one call. I am Stuart Simpson, the CEO of Vertical Aerospace. I'm gonna cover three things. Firstly, to remind you why we believe we are set to succeed. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:01:45Secondly, I'll update you on our progress during the quarter. And thirdly, to give you some color around the big announcement we made yesterday of our hybrid program, a hybrid aircraft with a range of a thousand miles. This represents a huge additional market opportunity for us across defense and wider commercial operations, all incremental to our base flight plan 2030 that has already been communicated. Given it is all about having the right capacity for moving people and things, this hybrid gives us an incredible opportunity, we have the largest dimensions of our tiltrotor pairs, and this puts us in a brilliant position to be able to dominate this space. Then doctor Limhai Summerville, our director of engineering, will discuss our battery and technical details and progress made on hybrid to date. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:02:39I'll then touch on where we closed the quarter in terms of financials before we open the call for questions. In November, we launched our flight path 2030 business strategy, setting a clear road map to lead the eVTOL sector by the end of the decade. We established transparent financial and operating metrics for '25, '20 '8, '20 '30, and beyond, including a credible timetable for certification. As you will hear today, we have already made meaningful progress towards achieving these targets, further strengthening our belief that vertical is going to be a winner in the sector. We have a best in class aircraft in terms of safety, capacity for both people and luggage, and comfort. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:03:26We are the only eVTOL player positioned to serve the full global market by certifying to the highest aviation standards. We are moving at pace through the certification process with all phases of piloted flight tests on track to be completed in 2025. We have a highly capital efficient approach with a clear path to profitability, spending approximately 75% less than our peers for a superior product. And we have a lean and highly experienced team that has certified 30 plus aircraft and propulsion systems. Turning to our progress since the start of the year. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:04:06It's been a quarter of significant momentum, and I'm pleased to share several key developments as we advance our mission to bring electric flight to customers. Starting with our test program, where we have achieved a number of important technical milestones building on our completion of thrust borne testing earlier this year. Most notably, we delivered record breaking piloted high speed taxi tests with our VX four demonstrator. These tests validated key systems under real world conditions and are a major step towards our next piloted wing born flight, which we anticipate starting in q two. Completing piloted wing born will be an incredibly significant moment for us. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:04:52Not only will this make us in the top two OEMs in the industry for piloted flight tests, but as a UK based aerospace business, where unlike other jurisdictions, the burden of safety is shared with a regulator, having a joint liability with the company. As such, each phase of testing can only occur with specific approvals from the UK Civil Aviation Authority. As you can imagine, we are working incredibly closely with them to achieve this next step. To this end, we have submitted around 20,000 pages of documentation to the CAA to extend our permit to fly to encompass piloted wing borne flight. The CAA's approval of this test will serve as a strong signal of their confidence in the safety, design, and ability of the VX four aircraft to operate public airspace. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:05:51We expect to advance to this stage over the next few months. I would like to address one topic that has arisen in recent days. We are aware a claim was made that the UKCAA will be aligning their certification standards to those of the FAA. As you would expect, we have very frequent interaction with the CAA as our home regulator, both at the working level and with the most senior levels of its executive management team. Since that claim was made, the CAA's management have confirmed the following to us in writing. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:06:26The CAA's position on certification of eVTOL aircraft is set out transparently in its certification of eVTOL aircraft publication available on its website. This document confirms the CAA will use SC VTOL as the certification basis for eVTOL aircraft in The UK. SC VTOL includes the safety requirement that these aircraft demonstrate a catastrophic failure rate of 10 to the minus nine. There has been no change to this published certification standard for eVTOLs. The CAA is working with other authorities, including both the FAA and the ASA towards international harmonization of eVTOL certification. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:07:18Based on this written confirmation, it is clear to us that The UK safety objectives remain unchanged. Any such change would require due process, which includes a public consultation. As we have said for several years, we welcome attempts between global regulators to harmonize certification standards, but we do not believe this should or will be at the expense of passenger safety. We firmly believe that passengers will expect these aircraft to be as safe as commercial airliners, and we know our customers share that view. Safety is nonnegotiable. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:07:59We remain confident that by certifying our aircraft to the highest commercial aircraft safety standards globally, we will be uniquely positioned in the industry with the only offering capable of serving all jurisdictions around the world. This brings me to another important point. These aircraft are being designed to carry passengers and will be certified as such, which is why we maintain it is absolutely critical to conduct a piloted test with one of our experienced test pilots in the cockpit under real world conditions. All the data we have from previous flight tests, hours of modeling, and numerous simulations give us total confidence in the capability of our aircraft and the success of our upcoming piloted wing ball flight test. In terms of our operational goals for 2025, we are on track to complete all phases of our piloted flight test program by the end of the year, including transition flight, the final stage of testing, giving us even more confidence in our certification timeline. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:09:03The team's discipline and execution continue to prove that we have the right approach to certification and development and that the VX four is one of the most advanced eVTOL aircraft under development today. And as you know, we do all our development with a pilot on board to ensure that we get not just digital feedback and data, but information from our test pilot, real world insight from some of the world's most experienced test pilots. This ensures the final aircraft will meet our customer expectations for safety, comfort, and quality. Importantly, as we continue to progress on our priorities, we are on track to double our airborne test fleet capabilities this year as we complete the assembly of the identical twin prototype aircraft, which has already been moved to our flight test center at Cotswolds Airport for finalization of the assembly. This will also unlock further learnings as we install the hybrid powertrain that we referred to earlier in the call. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:10:07Moving on to partnerships. We have made significant progress both commercially and strategically. Just last week, we finalized a key decision to advance our production plans. Specifically, we formalized and expanded our partnership with Honeywell to deliver flight controls and aircraft management systems for our certification and production aircraft. In addition, we have chosen Honeywell for Anceptas to make VX4 easier and safer for pilots to fly. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:10:34This partnership and the use of Honeywell's leading systems will unlock the efficiencies and speed necessary for Vertical to lead the industry in bringing the safest and most scalable product to market. It is a contract of some significant value worth approximately a billion dollars over the next ten years. Honeywell has been and will continue to be a fantastic partner. I'm delighted we have forged such a close working relationship over the last six years and can see this lasting long into the future. We are also supporting the acceleration of a global wide industry charging infrastructure by adopting the combined charging standard CCS for the VX four, the same as Beta and Archer. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:11:18We believe a unified approach to charging is essential for the industry to be successfully globally. It will help ensure seamless integration for OEMs, operators, and infrastructure infrastructure providers while reducing costs and accelerating the adoption of electric aviation. Using CCS fast charging standard will allow Vertical's VX4 to achieve quick turnaround times, including rapid battery charging and conditioning for shuttle operations. Ultimately, our adoption of CCS will enable immediate interoperability with all CCS charges of this standard, including Beta's growing network. Finally, we've announced the addition of three new directors to our board, building on the steps we took earlier in the year with Donal Slattery rejoining as chair and Eamon Brennan joining as a board adviser. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:12:07Three new directors are Chris Haber, JK Brown, and Carsten Szendevad. With these appointments, we continue to strengthen our governance and strategic leadership with deep complementary experiences, particularly in industrial scale up, and all three have phenomenal capital markets expertise. Chris, amongst other roles, has been the COO of Investcorp and Advent International. JK was a founding partner at Oxf Management, and Carsten is currently co chief investment officer for sustainable investing at Bridgewater Associates and a board adviser to GIC. Their combined insights and expertise will be invaluable as we enter our next phase of development. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:12:53I will hand over to doctor Limhai Somerville, our director of engineering, to provide some detail on our success in battery development, a team he has been leading for the last six years. It is the strength of the innovation and capability within this team that has enabled us to unveil details of our well advanced hybrid program yesterday. It is tremendously exciting and unlocks new additional multibillion dollar market opportunities for us. This aircraft will have a range of over a thousand miles, opening up additional use cases, most specifically within defense, cargo, emergency services, and long range commercial missions, where it is all about moving people and things. As I said before, our airframe is of a greater scale than peers, we feel we are well placed to dominate in this space. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:13:42All represent upside opportunities to the targets we shared in flight path '20 '30. The hybrid powertrain will be integrated into our next generation VX four variant with with flight testing planned to start next year. Within flight path twenty thirty, it is worth remembering that our battery systems will be replaced more frequently than the airframe itself, one to two times a year depending on how our customers fly and use the aircraft, something akin to the razor razor blade model. This means into the 2030s, Vertical's revenues will reach a fifty fifty split of aircraft to battery with a very healthy gross margin of greater than 40% for the battery. In addition, there are most likely second life applications such as marine or CTOL, for example, which will provide an additional source of revenue for the business, again, not included in the base case flight plan 02/1930. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:14:40I'm incredibly proud to say that Limhai is due to present to the Royal Society of London later this month. The Royal Society is The UK's National Academy Of Sciences, and Lim Hai has been invited to give a presentation to this prestigious institution on Vertical's battery capability and how Vertical is set to lead the industry. That presentation will highlight the incredible promise of our proprietary battery Over to you, Lim. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:15:09Bye. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:15:11Thanks, Stuart. Hello. My name is doctor Lim. I've been at Vertical Aerospace for six years and last year became director of engineering. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:15:20I used to lead our powertrain and before that, battery teams, which is why I will speak to you today. Some information about me before I start. I previously worked on battery systems at Jaguar Land Rover and at Argonne National Laboratory in Chicago before that. I also spent five years chairing the Urukai Electrical subgroup one of working group one one two, leading on many of the existing certification standards accepted by EASA as part of the SCV toll means of compliance for battery and electrical system certification. So what I will share with you today. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:15:53First, our battery system team capabilities and manufacturing approach are world class. Second, we have evidence of this, having now achieved significant milestones that derisk our path to a category enhanced certification. And third, we're open for business, ready to sell our advanced battery systems to the world. Finally, I will touch on the last eighteen months of development on our hybrid program and give you an insight on our quiet confidence in this area. Let's fly through it now. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:16:22One, world class battery team, systems, capabilities, manufacturing. Our lithium ion battery systems are the cornerstone of our aircraft backed by more than six years of development. Here's what sets our battery apart. The team is comprised of a perfect blend of aerospace, automotive, and control electronics experience. This has not happened by chance and gives us the right blend of performance, focus, and certification rigor. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:16:46Energy power, density, and performance. Our battery packs achieve a four to one cell to pack ratio delivering more than 200 watt hours per kilogram dependent on cell choice, including electronics, controls, sensors, and wiring. Cycle life and durability. Our cells deliver more than 800 full cycle equivalents with approximately 90% capacity retention, ensuring lower maintenance costs and reliable performance over the aircraft's life. Cost efficiency for the life of the vehicle. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:17:18Our battery systems will be replaced much more frequently than the airframe. This means over time, battery costs drive a much higher proportion of the long term high margin revenue. Our battery systems have been designed to allow replacement of the cells with minimal cost, fast charging and cooling. Through millions of cell module and full pack cycle hours in proprietary testing rigs, our system can be optimized to charge fast, getting the balance between turnaround time, lifetime and performance precisely how the customer wants it. Highest certification standards. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:17:51We have designed our system from the very beginning to comply with the EASA and the CAA stringent SCV toll regulations, which is the highest levels of safety in aviation. Software integration. We utilize a proprietary battery management and control system that is designed to the highest assurance level, achieving sensor redundancy, software optimization, and excellent prediction of remaining power manufacturing. Our business uses a capital light and efficient operating model precertification whilst ensuring we have the intellectual know how and capability to scale up when we're ready. I've seen firsthand the risks associated with early industrialization. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:18:31Not only does it often consume millions in purchase of equipment is unsuitable, but ultimately, it can also force poor decisions on the designs that now legacy manufacturing equipment is considered nonnegotiable design hardpoints. Two, developments derisking EASA SCVTOL certification. Our advancements significantly derisk our path to the CAA and EASA SCVTOL certification targeted for 2028. The SCV toll framework sets rigorous and clear safety and performance standards that we can show compliance against with our technology. The key developments include, we're on our eighth iteration of battery design since vertical aerospace brought this capability in house. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:19:13We have been using our own batteries to power the v x four prototype flight test for years, and we are on the eleventh battery. Our latest design is the safest, lightest, and most capable yet, and we haven't finished with two more development cycles in the next twelve months before locking down the final battery for our production aircraft. Let me give you an example of the benefits coming from each iteration. Between aircraft one and our current prototype, we save more than 100 kilograms. That's 10% of our battery system mass whilst also improving mechanical thermal drop and power performance. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:19:48We've been developing the technology in our battery systems for years. Our first propagation and drop tested battery pack was in 2020 with both EASA and the CAA in attendance. On April ninth of this year, we passed the 15.2 meter full pack drop test, which is comparable to the fuel tank drop test on a traditional rotorcraft. To be clear, we passed the same drop test on our battery system in twenty twenty, five years ago. According to the requirements defined by EASA within SCVTOL, we continue to optimize the design to reduce mass significantly and then pass this test again this year. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:20:23Passing that test is comparatively easy. Passing that test with all functionality present at the energy and power density we have is tough, and we've done it. Battery system propagation testing. We've completed nearly 200 propagation tests to date across multiple different battery iterations aiming to not only meet the EASA SCV toll means a compliance three standard, but also understand our performance against them. On April twenty ninth of this year, we passed our latest full scale thermal one way propagation on a subpack from our VX four aircraft. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:20:59We have two further optimization rounds to go as we continue to test and optimize the battery system further and ensure we understand and can pass all of the nuanced edge conditions that are possible. What this means is that in line with the SSSCV toll requirements, if a battery fire were to occur on one of our vehicles in flight, we'd be able to continue safe flight and landing either to the destination or to an alternative landing port with full maneuverability of the aircraft, disembowel from the aircraft, and all of this whilst ensuring the complete safety of the occupants and the aircraft itself. Whilst there cannot be any guarantees on timeline to certify, we've taken industry leading certification standards, applied them rigorously, and iterated multiple times until we pass them using a battery that is exceptionally high in energy and power for the mass at a cost that makes the business profitable in the future. Three, we're open for business. We're selling our battery systems and new opportunities. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:21:57One of our most significant investments of vertical has been on the development of our hardware, software, and mechanical battery systems. We believe we have one of, if not the best, battery teams in the world, and we're now ready to tell the world about what they've achieved because they've achieved it. We've used this exact same approach of technology development on battery as we have on our hybrid program. Iterate quietly, make progress on the difficult technological work to show it works, and at a performance point we think is commercially viable and then share that with the world. For the last eighteen months, we've been working on a hybrid powertrain system. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:22:33Our aircraft has a segregated electrical architecture for redundancy and to comply with the category enhanced requirement that means we can continue safe flight and landing after any single failure. This capability allows us to take off and land in all electric configuration, cruise with the turbine operating when noise is less impactful and charging all the batteries if it's needed, and then land again in an all electric configuration. Obviously, this significantly impacts the range capability of our vehicle as Stuart has just made clear. The first hybrid generation used a combustion engine, and the second generation will be a gas turbine. We are so far developed in this that we are planning to incorporate it into our third prototype aircraft, star flight testing in 2026. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:23:21I really want to be clear on the technical significance of what we have done so far. We have proven the capability of a single engine to provide power to a multiple electrically independent systems, including under edge case failure conditions. This is one of the most technically complex parts of development and critical to being able to operate under category enhanced type certificate. Now we have done that, we will incorporate it onto the prototype aircraft for flight testing, coupled with our best in class battery systems, and start testing in 2026. This is also where our larger aircraft and cabin is beneficial because the volumetric limitations on a smaller airframe would stop us from making such a change without consuming the available cabin space and thus invalidating its value or requiring a completely new or significant change to the type certificate. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:24:13In our case, the range payload benefits of hybrid can be gained by consuming the luggage compartment and a minor encroachment on available cabin space, which is very spacious in an all electric configuration. Of course, in unpiloted configurations, there would be no need to encroach on the available volume at all. I hope you found that informative. I'll now hand back to Stuart. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:24:36Thank you, Lim Hai. As you've heard, we're advancing across every dimension, technology, commercial traction, and strategic positioning. We remain focused on achieving our certification goals, progressing towards production, and building long term value for our shareholders. In terms of our finances, we continue to demonstrate sector leading capital efficiency while investing appropriately for the continuing successful execution of our plans. Net cash used in operating activities for q one twenty twenty five was approximately 30,000,000, and our guidance for the spend for the year as a whole is unchanged at approximately a hundred and 10 to a hundred and 25,000,000. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:25:17We closed the quarter with approximately $90,000,000 cash and cash equivalent on hand. As I highlighted on the full year call in March, each time we report, there will be a noncash financing movement relating to our outstanding convertible loan notes. This is highly volatile driven by a calculation relative to the prevailing stock price. For q one, this was a £396,000,000 credit to the p and l, and just to be clear, noncash. Just starting to wrap up. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:25:52To remind you again of what we have set out to achieve operationally this year, You can see the points on the slide, and we are on track to achieve all of them. And in addition, we have announced our new hybrid aircraft. Before turning over to q and a, I would like to remind you why we believe we are set to become one of the winners in the sector. Incredible progress to date, a clear plan for '25 and beyond with a clear route to certification in 2028. We have a best in class aircraft set to be certified at the highest safety standards to be able to support our customers across all geographies with a capacity for both luggage and passengers that is unmatched in the sector. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:26:37We have announced our advanced hybrid program, creating an aircraft with over a thousand miles capability and opening up further multibillion dollar opportunities. And we have an incredibly focused and highly capital efficient business model. We focus on where we, as vertical, can make a real difference and then working with world class partners for efficiency and effectiveness. Thank you again for joining us today. We'll now open the line for questions. Operator00:27:11At this time, I will now turn the call over to Charlotte for questions. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:27:17Thank you. So we just thought we would raise one question that we got quite a few people asking us yesterday on the back of the hybrid. So this is to ask Stuart, what is the impact on our cash spend and our cash burn going forward given the hybrid announcement yesterday? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:27:34No. Thank you for the question. I think the first point to to note is we've been working on this hybrid powertrain for some eighteen months. So all of that development that Lim, I, and the team have done was within the cash spend that we've talked about over the prior years. So we've done a huge amount of the hard work in terms of getting the battery to talk to the motor, to talk to our EPUs. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:28:00All of that was in the cash envelope we've already had, demonstrating the incredible capital efficiency by being really, really focused on what we're doing. So as of today, no change to our guidance for this year. The cash spend for this year remains projected to be in the range of 110,000,000 to $125,000,000. Charlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic Finance at Vertical Aerospace00:28:23Thanks, Stuart. So back over to you, operator, for polling for the q and a, but we just wanted to address that as we've had a lot of incoming yesterday. Operator00:28:32Thank you. First question comes from Savi Syth with Raymond James. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:29:05Hey. Hey. Good afternoon. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:29:07Sorry. I was wondering if I could ask a little bit more on the certification front for the high bid VTOL. Just is that a supplemental type certification? Or would you have to start from scratch with EASA? And just along that, if you kind of go down the path of defense applications, is there kind of a pathway to revenue generation before EASA certification? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:29:35So morning, Savi. Thank you for the question. In terms of the hybrid product, it goes within our current airframe. So everything that we're doing there, we're on track with. And to be clear, nothing that we've announced on a hybrid distracts us from the core underlying electric v four aircraft, which is well on track for certification in 2028. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:29:57The hybrid will be certified as a separate aircraft, likely in and around the same time as the electric v x four, maybe slightly delayed because we're as you know, we haven't fitted it in an aircraft yet. That being said, we will have a full scale piloted hybrid aircraft flying in q two next year. It's incredibly, incredibly excitement exciting moment for us. In terms of, you know, earlier revenue opportunities, we've we've been in deep discussions for several months with various potential customers. We can't really say any more than that and in terms of short term changes to cash flow guidance, etcetera. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:30:35So I'm sorry I can't go into detail on that, but thank you for the question, Savi. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:30:41Just to clarify, does does Defence have different certification requirements? Is that a fair assumption? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:30:47It does depending on what the use cases are. Yes. So there are potentially ways that this could be certified earlier, but we don't wanna get into that at a minute. As I say, we're just incredibly excited to put this aircraft out there having been working on it for eighteen months. Savanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James Financial00:31:04Makes sense. I I realized that was a multipart question, I'll get back on the queue. Thanks. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:31:08No problem. Thanks, Savi. Operator00:31:12Your next question comes from Austin Moeller with Canaccord. Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:31:18Hi, good morning. Just my first question here. So will the hybrid powertrain be integrated into one of the two existing airframes that you have to conduct testing next year, or would there be a third airframe that you would be integrating that into? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:31:37So morning, Austin. Thank you for the question. The hybrid will be going into the airframe that is well under construction at the minute. We've done a huge amount of the build work on that. We'll be tidying that up over the next three months, four months. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:31:51First of all, we'll be flying it as a all electric aircraft. As I've mentioned before, we continue to drive the VX four program to completion and certification in 2028. We will then retrofit the hybrid powertrain to that aircraft, and we'll have that flying in q two next year, q two twenty twenty six. Hopefully, that clarifies it, Austin. Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:32:16Okay. That's helpful. And just a follow-up. So on the EASA certification process, I think it mentions in the shareholder letter that you expect to complete the flight test program this year. But presumably, there would be additional flight testing with additional aircraft units in in the out years here as you work towards your your type certificate, or how Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:32:41should we be thinking about that? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:32:43Yeah. Good good question, Austin. What we're referring to there is going through the four phases of flight test expansion. We're going into WingBorn over the next couple of months, an incredible moment for us as a company. As you know, there's joint liability with our regulator. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:33:02And when we do WingBorn, we will be into public airspace. So it's a huge vote of confidence in us that our aircraft will be flying in public airspace. It's basically a huge sign from the regulator that they believe we're on the right track and are happy to say the aircraft is safe to fly in public airspace. Later this year, we'll then do the full transition, so incredibly excited about that. That completes the four phases. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:33:30We then will have two aircraft capable of repeating that multiple times to generate more and more test information that we feed into our models and to continue to develop our understanding of the VX four. So hopefully, that explains it. We will definitely be doing a lot more flying. Austin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital Markets00:33:51Excellent. Looking forward to it. Thank you for the clarification. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:33:54Thanks, Austin. Operator00:33:58Your next question comes from Jesse Sobolson with D. Borel Capital. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:34:05Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions here. The first one I have is just it's a little bit of just a detail oriented item here. With the testing on the fully electric aircraft, I just want make sure we're 100% fully understanding expectations for wing borne testing. When you say it's in 2Q twenty five, is this phase beginning in this quarter? Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:34:27Is it expected to be completed in this quarter? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:34:30It will be beginning in this quarter. And as I just said, this is an incredible moment for us because we have a huge high bar to climb to be able to fly in public airspace. So it really does set us apart. It's an incredible moment for the company when that happens, and we are absolutely targeting that in q two twenty twenty five. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:34:53Great. Great. Thank you very much for the clarification there. And then I did want to touch upon the hybrid announcement. Think it's very interesting. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:35:01With respect to commercial opportunities, how does the introduction of a hybrid electric propulsion system expand verticals capabilities from maybe focusing just on urban air mobility to expanding into regional air mobility? Is it possible that airlines could be purchasing this for use for short regional flights in the future? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:35:18Yeah. Great great question, Jesse. The capability of this aircraft is utterly transformational. It'll have a range of over a thousand miles. It will have a payload capability of over 1,100 kilograms, and this is all because we have the best airframe in the industry. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:35:36We always knew from day one that defense and longer range commercial opportunities would be opened up by a hybrid powertrain. So we've had this working for a long time in the knowledge that this would come along and be an opportunity. And, of course, having the biggest airframe means we will be the most capable in this sector, more people and more things over a longer distance. Jesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral Capital00:36:01Great. Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:36:03Yeah. Thanks, Jesse. Operator00:36:07Your next question comes from Laura Lee with Deutsche Bank. Laura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche Bank00:36:13Hey. Thank you for taking my question and congrats on all the progress. So my question is about the battery business that you talk about. So how will that business model look like? Laura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche Bank00:36:25Is that like a direct sales or like as a service? And also any color on the timeline, like when you expect it to start generating revenue? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:36:34Laura, thank you. That's a great great question. I'll do, a short intro and then hand it over to Lim Hai. You know, the battery our battery capability led by Lim Hai, and now by the wider team is incredible. I am so proud to be able to work with these people. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:36:52What they've done is incredible. We see huge opportunity here as you look forward, both selling our battery powertrain capabilities, but also the second life. So we take the batteries off the aircraft, the v x four, then opening up a new opportunity to sell those again for different applications, whether that's marine, CTOL, etcetera. With that, Limhai, maybe if you wanna add a little bit of color commentary around that. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:37:21Yeah. Thanks, Stuart, and, thanks, Laura, for the questions. So, really, it's it's predominantly been around making progress against the battery system and and trying to prove that we could technically do the things that we both said, and and we were required in terms of the technology itself. So that's kind of the bit that we've hit. We've been contacted for years now with respect to battery systems of individuals interested, and we've rejected a number of them because of the focus that we've put in both on that and and the right opportunities were not coming along. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:37:53And I suppose this is us sort of informing everyone that, you know, we will start accepting some of those. We will start looking into some of those now and and and and certainly in the coming weeks and months ahead. You know, I'd expect to hear more about that precisely because we were getting really good good values. We're getting we're seeing great performance, and and and we're kind of hitting lots of of points that are quite difficult and and problematic to be able to hit at a really good energy and power density. So hopefully, that answers your question. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:38:23At least give some color that Stuart was referring to. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:38:26Yeah. Thanks, Lim. Hi. And, Laura, just to remind you, every airframe that we sell, there is an underlying amazing battery business here for us. Every airframe we sell will get one to two batteries a year at a greater than 40% margin. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:38:39So within a few years after launch, we'll be 50% revenue from batteries, 50% from the airframe. And it's a fantastic ongoing business, the razor razor blade model. So really exciting part for us. Laura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche Bank00:38:54Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. I appreciate the color. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:38:59Thanks, Laura. Operator00:39:02Your next question comes from Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:39:08Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Great presentation today with all the color. Just with respect to certification in other jurisdictions, how should we think about what is taking place for The U. S. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:39:20Market, The EU and other opportunities or other jurisdictions you are pursuing? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:39:27Great. Morning, Amit. Thanks for the question. In terms of certification, as you know, our home regulator is the CAA. They are linked to, EARSA in terms of the standard they've set. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:39:38They're both very, very clear. They're using the SC VTOL certification basis at 10 to the minus nine, the same as a large passenger carrying jet. We believe this is what market wants. We believe this is what customers want, and safety should be nonnegotiable. Now that is the the most challenging standard in the industry. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:39:58We know how to hit it. We can hit it. Because it's a little bit higher than others, we will be working with all the regulators around the world to passport the aircraft into those markets. You know, we're extremely excited about getting to The US, getting to The Middle East, getting to Asia. Huge opportunities for us there. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:40:17But in terms of certification, we'll do it in The UK working hand in hand with them as a home regulator at the same standard as EASA, who we're also working incredibly closely with. Hopefully, that gives a bit of a feel for it, Amit. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:40:33Yes. No. I appreciate that. Thank you. Just one more for me. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:40:37How are you building, you know, sort of customer relationships at this point? I know it's still early, you know, given that you're testing and going through all the certification stuff. But in terms of facing customers and showing them the product, etcetera, what kind of feedback are you getting? Any color on that side of the process would be helpful. Thank you. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:40:59Yeah. Great. Really, really good question. I think this is something that sets us apart as We have an incredible order book. We're very proud to have American Airlines, Bristol, Babcock, Japan, Kakao, GOL. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:41:13I mean, phenomenal customer base all across the world, and and that's underpinned by our certification standard at 10 to the minus nine. In terms of how we manage the relationships, we've been listening and working with our customers from day one in terms of what the aircraft capabilities need to be. And that's one of the reasons we have the best airframe. We start with six full scale business class passengers, and really importantly, they can take luggage line. So we launch with four people plus a 20, hundred and 30 kilograms of luggage capacity. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:41:47No one else can do this. We can quickly expand within the same airframe. No big certification hurdle to six passengers. And how we maintain this relationship, twice a year, we bring our customers to us in Bristol. They spend two, three, four days with us twice a year, and we walk through, okay, how the aircraft's evolving, get them to meet the team, but most importantly, understand their use cases, how they want to deploy it, and help them model out how we bring this to market in a way that's incredibly successful and profitable for them, and we can provide them with the aircraft that they need. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:42:24So we're we're very proud of all our customers. Amit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.00:42:29Thank you, Stuart. That's all I have. Operator00:42:34Next question comes from David Zazula with Barclays. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:42:41Hey, good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. Can I just follow-up on that? I think there had been an announcement from a significant UK airline that they were considering looking at another platform. Is that something you're hearing from any of your other customers that they're looking around? Or do you feel like you have the home market pretty well under control? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:43:06Yeah, David. Great question. I think one of the things I inherited when I took over as CEO was an order book that have been closed for a couple of years. Now it's one of the things we are going to open up that order book this year as we deepen and expand our customer base over the coming months and year. So we will absolutely be having conversations, not just in The UK, but all across the world as we look to further bolster that order book. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:43:34As we're getting closer to certification, we've got a confirmed date in terms of when we get certified. We know we can hit it. Now is a great time to really start opening up that order book again across the world. So, hopefully, that gives you a bit of color commentary without going into specifics, David. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:43:52That is helpful. For LibHyte, we've heard a characterization of battery as kind of a choice between erring more on the side of safety, erring more on the side of being aggressive and towards performance. 200 watt hours per kilogram seems like you are trying to push performance. So I guess, one, would you agree that, that is a fair characterization of the choices that suppliers are making on the battery side? And where do you fall, you know, if so, on that sort of spectrum in your battery design? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:44:28So, David, I'll just take that and then hand to Lim Hai. Just to be clear, safety is paramount for us, nonnegotiable. So we are doing everything, and I think we are the world leaders in this. What Limai and the team have done is remarkable, and we will have a battery certified to 10 to the minus nine. Absolutely the best in the industry. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:44:48So we we must put that at the front of it. I think with that, Le Mai, if you wanna comment on David's other points about power density, etcetera. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:44:57Yeah. Thanks, Stuart, and thanks for the question, David. Fundamentally, you know, to come back to Stuart's point, that really is the the goal always is we have to be able to show that we're we're safe. And if you take Yasuo as an example, they gave an excellent talk a couple of years ago of basically what looked like a a battery onion as they went through the different layers of safety that they expect in order to be able to clarify that at the Reuters conference. And that's essentially the same goal that we've gone from gone for. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:45:27But to give you an example, when we went from our aircraft one to our aircraft two, the only thing that changed was actually or or the primary thing that changed, not the only thing that changed, but the primary thing that saved us mass was an optimization of the plastics that we were using. And so we were pretty good before, but not great. And then we optimized and we went through the plastics that we were using, both the selection, material selection, and essentially mechanically how it's structured. And so that's where this the the unit comes from. It doesn't impact safety in that respect. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:45:58In fact, the safety got better because we moved more towards self extinguishing materials and plastics. And so from that respect, you know, to come back to Stuart's point, that really is the baseline. There's there's no way around that. You've got to achieve that. Everything that we're doing is achieving that whilst trying to optimize and make make us, you know, better in terms of performance. Limhi SomervilleDirector of Engineering at Vertical Aerospace00:46:20Hopefully, that answers your question. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:46:23Super helpful. If I could just squeeze one more in, Stuart. I mean, I didn't see anything. Maybe I missed it on EPU. I mean, anything to announce there or any any preview you can give us on, yeah, how you're thinking about the EPU? Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:46:36So nothing we can announce other than the current ones we have are doing an incredible job. They're outperforming on every dimension. We've got a handful of options as we look to move forward through the certification and put in place a certification contract and production contract. So nothing to announce as yet, but we're really confident in that space, and we've got incredible EVUs on our current current aircraft. David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays Capital00:47:04Awesome. Thanks so much. I'll hop back in the queue. Operator00:47:06There Operator00:47:12are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Stuart for closing remarks. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:47:19Thank you. First of all, thanks everyone for joining. Really, really appreciate you taking the time. This has been an incredible past few months for Vertical. Absolutely transformational for the business starting in December where we restructured the balance sheet. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:47:36From that point on, raising the $90,000,000 in January, the flight test progress this year has been incredible, and we are so close to WingBorn flying. As we said, we'll be doing that within the next couple of months, certainly in q two. Absolutely fantastic and will really set us apart versus other people because we're doing this under the auspices of a regulator that is validating our aircraft to be safe to fly in public airspace. We've signed our certification and production contract with Honeywell. We have strengthened our board and, really importantly, the announcement of the hybrid. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:48:13You know, we've been working on this for some time. We are so proud to be able to bring it to market today, a range of a thousand miles, capacity of 1,100 kilos, low noise signature. It really does open tremendous, tremendous opportunity for us across defense and other commercial markets. So I don't think we've ever been better placed for success. So thanks again for joining. Stuart SimpsonChief Executive Officer at Vertical Aerospace00:48:36Really appreciate all the questions. I look forward to updating you, hopefully, pretty quickly on some further news. So thank you very much. Operator00:48:47Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesCharlotte CowleyDirector of Strategic FinanceStuart SimpsonChief Executive OfficerLimhi SomervilleDirector of EngineeringAnalystsSavanthi SythMD - Airlines & Advance Air Mobility at Raymond James FinancialAustin MoellerDirector - Equity Research at Canaccord Genuity - Global Capital MarketsJesse SobelsonVP - Equity Research at D. Boral CapitalLaura LiEquity Research Associate at Deutsche BankAmit DayalManaging Director & Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright & Co.David ZazulaAnalyst at Barclays CapitalPowered by