NASDAQ:FLGT Fulgent Genetics Q1 2025 Earnings Report $18.82 -0.74 (-3.78%) Closing price 05/6/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$18.71 -0.11 (-0.58%) As of 04:29 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Fulgent Genetics EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.04Consensus EPS -$0.18Beat/MissBeat by +$0.22One Year Ago EPS-$0.01Fulgent Genetics Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$73.46 millionExpected Revenue$71.26 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$2.21 millionYoY Revenue Growth+14.00%Fulgent Genetics Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/2/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateFriday, May 2, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Fulgent Genetics Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 2, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Melanie Solomon, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:07Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:10Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, and welcome to the Fulgent first quarter twenty twenty five financial results conference call. On the call are Ming Hsieh, Chief Executive Officer Paul Kim, Chief Financial Officer and Brandon Perthews, Chief Commercial Officer. The company's press release discussing the financial results is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website, ir.fulgentgenetics.com. A replay of this call will be available shortly after the call concludes on the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Speaker 100:00:37Management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions on today's call will contain forward looking statements. These forward looking statements represent management's estimates based on current views, expectations and assumptions, which may prove to be incorrect. As a result, matters discussed in any forward looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and changes in circumstances that may cause actual results to differ from those described in the forward looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update any of the forward looking statements it may make today to reflect actual results or changes in expectations. Listeners should not rely on any forward looking statements as predictions of future events and should listen to management's remarks today with the understanding that actual events, including the company's actual future results, may be materially different than what is described in or implied by these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:20Please review the more detailed discussions related to these forward looking statements, including the discussions of some of the risk factors that may cause results to differ from those described in the forward looking statements contained in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the previously filed 10 ks for the year ended 12/31/2024, and subsequently filed reports, which are available on the company's Investor Relations website. Management's prepared remarks, including discussions of earnings and earnings per share, contain financial measures not prepared in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in The United States or GAAP. Management has presented these non GAAP financial measures because it believes they may be useful to investors for various reasons, but these measures should not be viewed as a substitute for or superior to the company's financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Please see the company's press release discussing its financial results for the first quarter twenty twenty five for more information, including the description of how the company calculates non GAAP income or loss, earnings or loss per share, non GAAP gross profit, non GAAP gross margin, non GAAP operating profit or loss and margin and adjusted EBITDA and a reconciliation of these financial measures to income or loss, earnings or loss per share and operating margin, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:02:33With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Ming. Speaker 200:02:36Thank you, Melanie. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call today. I will start with some comments on the first quarter of twenty twenty five and our two business lines. Then Brandon will review our product and go to market updates for our laboratory services business. And Paul will conclude with the financials and outlook before we take your questions. Speaker 200:03:07We are pleased with our first quarter results, having shown year over year growth in laboratory service and we are looking seeing great good fundamentals in 2025. Speaker 300:03:24Our Speaker 200:03:24therapeutic development pipeline is on track. For our first clinical candidate FID-seven, our Phase II clinical trial in combination with cetuximab in patients with recurrent or metastatic head and neck squamous cell carcinoma is progressing well. With seventeen patients receiving treatment and twenty three enrolled, We'll continue to enroll patients throughout this year. We'll continue to project the clinical trial cost of Phase II to be approximately $10,000,000 over multiple year period. Our second clinical candidate FID-twenty two is set to begin a Phase one trials over next few weeks. Speaker 200:04:19FID-twenty two is nano encapsulated SN38 for treatment of solid tumors, including potentially colon, pancreatic, ovarian and the bile duct cancers. We continue to expect a clinical trial cost of Phase oneSlice 1b trial for FID-twenty two to be approximately $8,000,000 I'm encouraged by the continued progress with our clinical pipeline and the potential for both FID-seven and FID-twenty two. We are targeting heavily pretreated patients with few options left. I hope we'll be able to provide additional treatment options to further their lives. We are anticipating the cost of this program is very reasonable and we believe our investment will be rewarded. Speaker 200:05:21As a reminder, our drug candidates were familiar with our novel nano encapsulation technology, which include many issued or active patents or active patent applications and with a therapy platform designed to improve the therapeutic windows and the pharmacokinetics profile for both new and existing cancer drugs. Overall, I'm pleased with our strong start to the year in our core laboratory services business and the progress we're making with our therapeutic development pipeline. We continue to be in strong financial position to execute our strategy. I would like to thank our employees, partners and stakeholders for your hard work and loyalty in a great quarter for our business. We look forward to further progress in 2025. Speaker 200:06:20I will now turn over the call to Brandon Perdue, our Chief Commercial Officer to talk more about our Laboratory Services business. Brandon? Speaker 400:06:30Thanks Ming. It was a great quarter with all three business areas showing year over year growth. At a high level precision diagnostics was up $6,700,000 or 17.8% year over year. Anatomic pathology was up $2,200,000 or 9.5% year over year and biopharma services was up $1,400,000 or 51.3% year over year. Precision Diagnostics was up 1.2% sequentially while Anatomic Pathology was down approximately 3.9 sequentially. Speaker 400:07:05Biopharma coming off a record fourth quarter was down 33.7% sequentially but as we have mentioned this is expected due to the nature of this business and timing of the contracts. The growth in precision diagnostics for the quarter was led by our reproductive health services, continued strength in our legacy diagnostics offerings and BEACON expanded carrier screening. We continue to pick up market share in this area by expanding our business with existing customers as well as new client wins. In previous calls, we announced two new initiatives hereditary cancer testing with the VA and a partnership with Foundation Medicine. While both are still fairly new to us, we are very pleased with the progress. Speaker 400:07:49The sales team has done a great job onboarding new VA hospitals and we are seeing significant usage. The focus will be to continue to sell through the contract and expand our footprint nationally. Regarding foundation medicine, we are seeing nice momentum onboarding clients and the demand for hereditary cancer test appears to be there. We are optimistic these initiatives will provide potential upside for us this year. In terms of our Anatomic Pathology business, our laboratory continues to deliver excellent quality and turnaround time and the improved sales team is doing a great job delivering this message to potential clients. Speaker 400:08:27Regarding the sales team, we continue to methodically hire focused mostly on new expansion territories. I suspect this will continue into 2026. We've now posted back to back quarters of solid year over year growth, so it's exciting to see the investments we've made in this area paying off. One area to highlight in particular is the investment we have made in digital pathology. During the first quarter, we digitized over 85 of our slides and recognized over $1,000,000 in digital billing for the first quarter. Speaker 400:09:01We believe we are significantly ahead of the curve in this area. Moving to digital has several advantages, notably the ability to use AI to assist our pathologists as well as providing our pathologists the option to read remotely. Remote reading has been huge for us since we can now recruit pathologists from all over the country without the need to relocate to one of our labs. With this new recruiting tool, we now work with over 60 pathologists, most of which are subspecialty trained. In terms of AI, now that most of our slides have been scanned, we can use commercially available AI and we are currently building our own AI tools both of which have the potential to increase quality, turnaround time and throughput. Speaker 400:09:46Our biopharma services business continues to perform well and had an excellent quarter. We are seeing continued strength from existing clients as well as a deepening pipeline of opportunities. We expect to see some variability from quarter to quarter based on the nature of this business, but with a vastly improved product offering, we believe we'll continue to see demand for these services. In previous calls, we discussed the potential for the FDA to regulate lab developed tests or LDTs. Recently, a district court ruling overturned the FDA's final rule on LDTs and as a result further regulatory efforts regarding LDTs may be unlikely in the near term. Speaker 400:10:27The court stated that the text, structure and history of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act and the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments make clear that the FDA lacks the authority to regulate laboratory developed tests. Although there is a possibility of an appeal, an appeal may be unlikely at this time for a variety of reasons. This is an evolving and fast moving topic, so we will continue to monitor developments for the foreseeable future. We were pleased to see 2025 get off to a fast start and we hope to see the momentum continue. We believe the investments we are making in our operation and business have paid off and should continue to do so. Speaker 400:11:11I'll now turn the call over to Paul Kim, our Chief Financial Officer. Paul? Speaker 300:11:16Thank you, Randall. Revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five totaled $73,500,000 compared to $76,200,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. The revenue from COVID-nineteen testing is negligible. Revenues from our core business totaled $73,500,000 GAAP gross margin was 38.6% and a non GAAP basis was 41%. Gross margins improved year over year, showing the benefit of our continued efficiencies and streamlining of our business. Speaker 300:11:50Now to operating expenses. Total GAAP operating expenses were $48,100,000 in the first quarter compared to $48,000,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. Non GAAP operating expenses totaled $37,400,000 remaining essentially flat compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. First quarter operating expenses benefited from the reversal of $1,000,000 previously accrued as a potential liability related to the SEC since the SEC has advised the company that it has concluded its investigation with no enforcement action recommended. Non GAAP operating margin decreased approximately five percentage points sequentially to a minus 10%, primarily due to lower revenue and gross margins. Speaker 300:12:38Adjusted EBITDA loss for the first quarter was approximately $2,900,000 compared to a loss of $3,200,000 in Q1 twenty twenty four. On a non GAAP basis and excluding equity based compensation expense and intangible asset amortization, income for the quarter was approximately $1,200,000 or $04 per share based on 30,900,000.0 weighted average diluted shares outstanding. Since the beginning of 2025, as of today, we have repurchased approximately 646,000 shares at an aggregated cost of $10,900,000 pursuant to our stock repurchase program. Since the inception of the repurchase program in March 2022, a total of approximately $110,400,000 has been spent with approximately $139,600,000 remaining available for future repurchases of our common stock. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the first quarter with approximately $814,600,000 of cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and marketable securities. Speaker 300:13:51We are reiterating our outlook for 2025 provided in February. We are guiding to core revenue, which is total laboratory service revenue for the company without COVID-nineteen testing revenue. We expect total core revenue to be approximately $310,000,000 for 2025, representing a growth of 10% year over year. We continue to expect non GAAP gross margins for the full year to slightly exceed 40%, continuing the strong momentum we've experienced in recent quarters. We continue to expect non GAAP operating margins of approximately minus 15% for the year as we continue to invest in business growth, further develop laboratory operations and enhance our existing laboratory facilities. Speaker 300:14:43We remain focused on managing our spend and continue to believe that our foundational technology platform supports a strong margin profile longer term. We continue to expect associated cash burn for our therapeutics development business of approximately $25,000,000 this year, which is contemplated in our EPS and cash guidance. We continue to expect our GAAP EPS to be a loss of approximately $1.95 per share excluding any future one time charges using a 32,000,000 average share count. Utilizing a non GAAP tax provision and average share count of 32,000,000, we currently expect full year 2025 to be at a non GAAP loss of $0.65 per share excluding stock based compensation, impairments and amortization of intangible assets as well as any one time charges. Finally, our cash position remains strong. Speaker 300:15:42We're focused on efficient capital allocation that allows us to reinvest in the business, fund key initiatives and support future growth. Excluding any future stock repurchases and other expenditures outside the ordinary course, which could include M and A, we anticipate ending 2025 with approximately $770,000,000 of cash, cash equivalents and investments and marketable securities. The decrease from the previous estimate of $780,000,000 relates to the $10,900,000 spent year to date on stock repurchases. Overall, we see strength in our core business, which has grown organically and we see good momentum in 2025. Thank you for joining us on our call today. Speaker 300:16:25Operator, now you may open it up for questions. Operator00:16:28Certainly. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question today is coming from Lu Li from UBS. Your line is now live. Speaker 500:16:43Thank you so much for taking my question. The first one is on the full year guide. So you mentioned great momentum in the VA contract and the Foundation Madison. So and you beat the quarter. So why not raising the guide? Speaker 500:16:58Do you think that there are any more upside or downside to the '25 number? Speaker 300:17:04Yes. On the guide, I think your comment was on revenues, but I'll also cover EPS as well. Given the fact that we just initially had the guide about eight or nine weeks ago when we announced our year end results, we see good we actually see great momentum in our overall core business, particularly in the area of precision diagnostics. We just want to be a little bit more comfortable before we adjust the guide because when we do potentially make any adjustments to the revenue guide, we want that to be a bit considerable rather than something that's less than that. And then on the EPS, as you see, we had a very good first quarter, and the EPS came in a bit better than what we internally estimated. Speaker 300:18:00But, we also want the adjustment to the EPS to be something that's considerable when we do, alter that. There's certainly a possibility that we can do that in the second quarter, but we're monitoring that. The other thing on why we did not adjust the EPS guide at this point is because we have been a bit aggressive on our stock buyback. And the way the mechanics work on the stock buyback when you have losses is less shares that you have out there outstanding actually decreases your EPS. So we're actually monitoring those dynamics before we adjust the guide on both Speaker 200:18:44the top as well as the bottom line. Speaker 500:18:47Got it. Appreciate the color. So I think this question for Brendan. I think in the last quarter, you mentioned that there are some of the new accounts that you went in physician diagnostics slip into 2025, so like Q1 and Q2. So I wonder your Q1 results, like how much from of that is coming out from those new accounts where like you already fully aborted them? Speaker 500:19:12And how much is actually the kind of like the base Precision Diagnostics business, if that makes sense? Speaker 400:19:18I think it does and thanks for the question. So I think the strong performance we had in the first quarter was certainly a mix of our existing clients ordering more from us, but probably more so new client wins. We continue to pick up market share in precision diagnostics, especially in the reproductive health arena. Yes, we've talked about new meaningful wins in previous quarters and then onboarding early this year. We mentioned that some of these larger clients take some time to onboard to get implemented. Speaker 400:19:55That's all happening in real time. So I think the strong performance we're seeing is Fulgent gaining additional market share in some of these areas with meaningful new client wins. Some of these new clients are still not fully onboarded. When you think about some of the very large practices and clinics throughout the country, it takes a while to onboard clinics when they have twenty, thirty, 50 clinics across the country. So it's a bit of a rollout and it just takes some time. Speaker 400:20:25But all that's progressing quite nicely. And I think we're going to continue to see that momentum pick up from new client wins. Speaker 500:20:33Got it. So final question for me on capital deployment. Do you expect to be doing more buyback in 2025? And how should we think about kind of like the M and A potential? Thank you. Speaker 200:20:47Yes. Thank you for the questions. Definitely you see we're starting to deploy the capital for the stock buybacks aggressively. In addition, we are evaluating various options for the potential M and A to enhance our distribution network and deployed our technologies. So all those options are open and we'll accurately review every deals we're seeing. Operator00:21:27Thank you. Our next question today is coming from David Westenberg from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live. Speaker 600:21:33Hi. Thanks for taking the question. So actually I'll start off. Ming Shai, can you talk about the expected penetration rate once you launch FID-one hundred seven? What do you expect the cadence of adoption? Speaker 600:21:45And can you remind us kind of is that a cancer with more broad based chemotherapies or a lot more targeted? Speaker 200:21:52Yes, thank you for the question. It is by combination with cetuximab, we are targeting for the EGFR positive patients, but also with our chemo option, we're also targeting non EGFR populations together. The head and neck cancer is the initial restart, but many other options we could explore once we get concluded our dosing optimization in the Phase two trials. But our overall results is good and also market is quite large for us. Speaker 600:22:35You. Paul, I want to actually talk about maybe the capital deployment. I mean, you do have a lot of different products now and you do have pretty good efficiencies in the lab. Is there any thoughts to maybe using capital deployment to expand sales and marketing? I know that usually I know you said you guys are looking at tuck ins and stock buybacks. Speaker 600:22:57Is there any opportunity you think in terms of expanding that? Speaker 300:23:01Yes, yes. That's an excellent question. So let me kind of tee that up and then I'm going to turn it over to Brandon. If you take a look at our Q1 actual results, we talked about the reversal of the SEC accrual that we had in the G and A of $1,000,000 So you see the G and A being a bit lower than our normalized rate of $22,000,000 to $23,000,000 excluding stock based compensation. But to your question, on the sales and marketing, that was also lower. Speaker 300:23:34Meaning, if you take a look at our sales and marketing spend, it was 7,600,000.0 in Q1, but we see that being ramped up to between 10,000,000 and $11,000,000, in Q2, Q3 and Q4, respectively. And I'll turn it over to Brandon on why that is happening. Speaker 400:23:56Yes, certainly. Thanks again for the question, David. I mean the short answer is yes, we are hiring. We're hiring in real time. We expect that to pick up some momentum throughout this year. Speaker 400:24:05We are hiring new salespeople for pediatric and rare disease testing. We're hiring new salespeople for reproductive health and we're also hiring people in the pathology division. We Speaker 700:24:16mentioned Speaker 400:24:16in the call, we've done a great job turning the pathology division around. We're seeing that division return to growth. That team is producing, able to take our great turnaround time and quality to market. So the short answer to your question, yes, we're going to be hiring salespeople across all three divisions throughout the rest of this year. We believe in terms of our go to market strategy, our competitive advantages, our contracts that we now have, we have what it takes operationally to make this sales team successful. Speaker 400:24:47So we'll be updating you on the future phone calls about the size of the team, how quickly it's growing, But we are excited about recruiting some really good talent here to come help grow the company. Speaker 600:25:01Very helpful. Yes, you did have a good growth in anatomic pathology which came as a surprise. Good, obviously a positive, right. Just in terms of strength in biopharma, that would actually, I think that you guys were a little bit of an outlier in terms of the magnitude of how good that was. Just given the fact that biopharma, at least from our pulse, just seems to be a little bit more conservative in the current environment. Speaker 600:25:27Can you talk about appetite for spending the rest of the year and maybe color on like book to bill there just the way we should expect for the rest of the year because I mean I don't think you guys will be growing at 51% for the rest of the year. Operator00:25:40I just Speaker 600:25:40want to be careful about not getting over our skis in terms of where we're thinking about that. Speaker 400:25:44Yes, certainly. I think we've on each call, we've mentioned sort of the variability quarter to quarter in our biopharma business. That's a factor of two things. One is still a relatively low number compared to the size of some of our other divisions. And the nature of that business as we win these awards, we do the work, deliver the product, it can be variable and we've used even lumpy in previous calls. Speaker 400:26:12We hope to continue to gain scale, so some of that variability kind of smooths out over time. But as long as we're working with a relatively smaller number and we're winning big awards, at different intervals throughout the year, you're going to continue to see some variability. That said, I think we've mentioned that our biopharma capabilities have vastly expanded from where they were a year or even two years ago. So I think some of the strength that we're able to see is that a lot of these new services we've launched, we're able to then sell those to these biopharma clients as well. So think back just a couple of years ago, we were mostly focused on next generation sequencing. Speaker 400:26:57So there was a lot of studies, lot of RFPs, a lot of opportunities we couldn't address. But for the past couple of years, we've launched all these new platforms. So we're able to address a much larger market. So that team continues to build a good pipeline of opportunities. I think our relationships with the biopharma companies are deepening, meaning we're seeing more pull through from existing clients. Speaker 400:27:21I think that's great. It's a good testament to our quality and what we're doing with some of these companies. So I think we'll see some variability quarter to quarter, but if you look at it over time, I think that's an area that's going grow quite well for the company. Speaker 600:27:35Thank you very much. Operator00:27:40Thank you. Next question is coming from Andrew Cooper from Raymond James. Your line is now live. Speaker 700:27:45Hi, everybody. Thanks for the questions. Maybe first, just was hoping you could unpack a little bit more of the Precision Diagnostics momentum. What sort of being driven by Nova versus Beacon? And then really outside of reproductive health as well, what you're seeing, whether it's some of those rare disease or frankly some of those newer oncology offerings that you've rolled out over the last several quarters? Speaker 400:28:08Yes. Thanks for the question, Andrew. Yes, lot to unpack there, right? We have a lot of tests in precision diagnostics. So it can be a bit overwhelming. Speaker 400:28:16I'll get the easy one out of the way. Nova is not contributing significantly at this point. We are seeing good feedback from the field. We are generating some volume. Even internationally, we're generating some volume, but Nova wasn't the driver for the quarter. Speaker 400:28:32I think there was probably two areas to highlight out of all the different tests that we offer, still probably continues to be Beacon. We've just done an excellent job with expanded carrier screening. I think our average turnaround time for the first quarter was something like eleven days, which is just spectacular. The quality of BEACON, what we're doing with our bioinformatics to address the pseudo genes, the quality of our reports, we've just done an excellent job bringing that product to market. So, our existing clients are ordering more, but more importantly, we are onboarding new clients and having new client wins for Beacon. Speaker 400:29:12Probably other area to highlight is sort of our what our core business was for a long time is pediatric rare disease. I believe on the fourth quarter call, we talked about launching a new whole genome and that would include RNA sequencing. We branded it RISE, RNA Integrated Sequencing Evaluation. So we have added to that sales team in a small way so far. We plan to do additional hiring throughout the year. Speaker 400:29:38But that area of our business is doing well. The market is really receiving the message that for diagnostic dilemmas, undiagnosed genetic conditions, adding RNA to whole genome sequencing is a very powerful tool. So, that sales team has done a great job approaching children's hospitals, academic medical centers to really present the benefit of adding RNA to a whole genome. I think we've mentioned that literature shows with RNA, we could diagnose up to twenty percent or thirty percent more patients. So we're seeing momentum in the rare disease space. Speaker 400:30:16We're investing in that area. And I think it's going to have good momentum for us throughout the rest of the year. Speaker 300:30:24Perfect. Speaker 700:30:25And then maybe kind of circling back to the P and L a little bit. I think all you commented on that sort of 10 to 11 ballpark each of the rest of the quarters for sales and marketing. I guess, one, why should that not be going up if you're talking about hiring kind of incrementally through the rest of the year? And then could you also help us think about gross margin trajectories as you do have sort of an evolving mix with, Brandon, to your point, kind of a lot of different moving parts, a lot of different products that are contributing different amounts in a given quarter or for the full year? Speaker 300:31:01Yes. As far as the gross margin, back about a year ago, our hope was that we get close to 40%, but we actually overachieved that mark, I believe in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. And as we take a look at 2025, even with the revenues, say, for Q1 being slightly lower than Q4, we actually feel pretty good with our gross margins. Gross margins, excluding stock based comp was running at 41% or maybe a little bit higher than 41%. And we don't really see any reason on why everything being equal, that would dip that much. Speaker 300:31:44There's actually a pretty good chance that when we get towards the back half of this year, it might even increase from the gross margin target that we had. And then on the expenses for selling and marketing, I forgot the question that you had for selling and marketing. Your question why the step up in You Speaker 700:32:05talked about the 10 to 11, but you've talked about kind of more hiring happening through the course of the year. So why the sudden step up and then sort of plateauing as opposed to something a little bit? Because Speaker 300:32:18we are actively hiring, right, in Q1 and a number of those people have already joined the company. It's going to be between 10,000,000 and $11,000,000 that's our forecast in the last three quarters. So in Q2, it might be something closer to 10 and in Q4, it might be something closer to 11. Operator00:32:43Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. And ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. May disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallFulgent Genetics Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Fulgent Genetics Earnings HeadlinesRaymond James Reaffirms "Outperform" Rating for Fulgent Genetics (NASDAQ:FLGT)May 6 at 2:55 AM | americanbankingnews.comFulgent Genetics (NASDAQ:FLGT) Shares Gap Up Following Strong EarningsMay 4 at 2:49 AM | americanbankingnews.comHere’s How to Claim Your Stake in Elon’s Private Company, xAIEven though xAI is a private company, tech legend and angel investor Jeff Brown found a way for everyday folks like you… To partner with Elon on what he believes will be the biggest AI project of the century… Starting with as little as $500.May 7, 2025 | Brownstone Research (Ad)Earnings call transcript: Fulgent Genetics Q1 2025 beats EPS forecast, stock risesMay 3, 2025 | investing.comFulgent Genetics, Inc. (NASDAQ:FLGT) Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptMay 3, 2025 | insidermonkey.comFulgent genetics targets $310M core revenue in 2025 with strong growth in diagnostics and pathologyMay 2, 2025 | msn.comSee More Fulgent Genetics Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like Fulgent Genetics? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Fulgent Genetics and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Fulgent GeneticsFulgent Genetics (NASDAQ:FLGT), together with its subsidiaries, provides clinical diagnostic and therapeutic development solutions to physicians and patients in the United States and internationally. The company's clinical diagnostic solutions include molecular diagnostic testing; genetic testing; anatomic pathology laboratory tests and testing services, such as gastrointestinal pathology, dermatopathology, urologic pathology, breast pathology, neuropathology, and hematopathology; oncology tests and testing services; and sequencer services related to hereditary cancer, reproductive health, and other diseases. Its therapeutic development solutions focus on developing drug candidates for treating a range of cancers using a nanoencapsulation and targeted therapy platform to enhance the therapeutic window and pharmacokinetic profile of new and existing cancer drugs. The company operates picture genetics platform, which includes gene probes, data suppression and comparison algorithms, adaptive learning software, and proprietary laboratory information management systems that helps customers to identify health markers in their personal DNA. It serves insurance, hospitals, medical institutions, other laboratories, governmental bodies, payors, municipalities and large corporations, and patients. The company was formerly known as Fulgent Diagnostics, Inc. and changed its name to Fulgent Genetics, Inc. in August 2016. Fulgent Genetics, Inc. was founded in 2011 and is headquartered in El Monte, California.View Fulgent Genetics ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Palantir Stock Drops Despite Stellar Earnings: What's Next?Is Eli Lilly a Buy After Weak Earnings and CVS-Novo Partnership?Is Reddit Stock a Buy, Sell, or Hold After Earnings Release?Warning or Opportunity After Super Micro Computer's EarningsAmazon Earnings: 2 Reasons to Love It, 1 Reason to Be CautiousRocket Lab Braces for Q1 Earnings Amid Soaring ExpectationsMeta Takes A Bow With Q1 Earnings - Watch For Tariff Impact in Q2 Upcoming Earnings Monster Beverage (5/8/2025)Coinbase Global (5/8/2025)Brookfield (5/8/2025)Anheuser-Busch InBev SA/NV (5/8/2025)ConocoPhillips (5/8/2025)Shopify (5/8/2025)Cheniere Energy (5/8/2025)McKesson (5/8/2025)Enbridge (5/9/2025)Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. - Petrobras (5/12/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Melanie Solomon, Investor Relations. Operator00:00:07Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:10Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, and welcome to the Fulgent first quarter twenty twenty five financial results conference call. On the call are Ming Hsieh, Chief Executive Officer Paul Kim, Chief Financial Officer and Brandon Perthews, Chief Commercial Officer. The company's press release discussing the financial results is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website, ir.fulgentgenetics.com. A replay of this call will be available shortly after the call concludes on the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Speaker 100:00:37Management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions on today's call will contain forward looking statements. These forward looking statements represent management's estimates based on current views, expectations and assumptions, which may prove to be incorrect. As a result, matters discussed in any forward looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and changes in circumstances that may cause actual results to differ from those described in the forward looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update any of the forward looking statements it may make today to reflect actual results or changes in expectations. Listeners should not rely on any forward looking statements as predictions of future events and should listen to management's remarks today with the understanding that actual events, including the company's actual future results, may be materially different than what is described in or implied by these forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:20Please review the more detailed discussions related to these forward looking statements, including the discussions of some of the risk factors that may cause results to differ from those described in the forward looking statements contained in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the previously filed 10 ks for the year ended 12/31/2024, and subsequently filed reports, which are available on the company's Investor Relations website. Management's prepared remarks, including discussions of earnings and earnings per share, contain financial measures not prepared in accordance with accounting principles generally accepted in The United States or GAAP. Management has presented these non GAAP financial measures because it believes they may be useful to investors for various reasons, but these measures should not be viewed as a substitute for or superior to the company's financial results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Please see the company's press release discussing its financial results for the first quarter twenty twenty five for more information, including the description of how the company calculates non GAAP income or loss, earnings or loss per share, non GAAP gross profit, non GAAP gross margin, non GAAP operating profit or loss and margin and adjusted EBITDA and a reconciliation of these financial measures to income or loss, earnings or loss per share and operating margin, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:02:33With that, I'd now like to turn the call over to Ming. Speaker 200:02:36Thank you, Melanie. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call today. I will start with some comments on the first quarter of twenty twenty five and our two business lines. Then Brandon will review our product and go to market updates for our laboratory services business. And Paul will conclude with the financials and outlook before we take your questions. Speaker 200:03:07We are pleased with our first quarter results, having shown year over year growth in laboratory service and we are looking seeing great good fundamentals in 2025. Speaker 300:03:24Our Speaker 200:03:24therapeutic development pipeline is on track. For our first clinical candidate FID-seven, our Phase II clinical trial in combination with cetuximab in patients with recurrent or metastatic head and neck squamous cell carcinoma is progressing well. With seventeen patients receiving treatment and twenty three enrolled, We'll continue to enroll patients throughout this year. We'll continue to project the clinical trial cost of Phase II to be approximately $10,000,000 over multiple year period. Our second clinical candidate FID-twenty two is set to begin a Phase one trials over next few weeks. Speaker 200:04:19FID-twenty two is nano encapsulated SN38 for treatment of solid tumors, including potentially colon, pancreatic, ovarian and the bile duct cancers. We continue to expect a clinical trial cost of Phase oneSlice 1b trial for FID-twenty two to be approximately $8,000,000 I'm encouraged by the continued progress with our clinical pipeline and the potential for both FID-seven and FID-twenty two. We are targeting heavily pretreated patients with few options left. I hope we'll be able to provide additional treatment options to further their lives. We are anticipating the cost of this program is very reasonable and we believe our investment will be rewarded. Speaker 200:05:21As a reminder, our drug candidates were familiar with our novel nano encapsulation technology, which include many issued or active patents or active patent applications and with a therapy platform designed to improve the therapeutic windows and the pharmacokinetics profile for both new and existing cancer drugs. Overall, I'm pleased with our strong start to the year in our core laboratory services business and the progress we're making with our therapeutic development pipeline. We continue to be in strong financial position to execute our strategy. I would like to thank our employees, partners and stakeholders for your hard work and loyalty in a great quarter for our business. We look forward to further progress in 2025. Speaker 200:06:20I will now turn over the call to Brandon Perdue, our Chief Commercial Officer to talk more about our Laboratory Services business. Brandon? Speaker 400:06:30Thanks Ming. It was a great quarter with all three business areas showing year over year growth. At a high level precision diagnostics was up $6,700,000 or 17.8% year over year. Anatomic pathology was up $2,200,000 or 9.5% year over year and biopharma services was up $1,400,000 or 51.3% year over year. Precision Diagnostics was up 1.2% sequentially while Anatomic Pathology was down approximately 3.9 sequentially. Speaker 400:07:05Biopharma coming off a record fourth quarter was down 33.7% sequentially but as we have mentioned this is expected due to the nature of this business and timing of the contracts. The growth in precision diagnostics for the quarter was led by our reproductive health services, continued strength in our legacy diagnostics offerings and BEACON expanded carrier screening. We continue to pick up market share in this area by expanding our business with existing customers as well as new client wins. In previous calls, we announced two new initiatives hereditary cancer testing with the VA and a partnership with Foundation Medicine. While both are still fairly new to us, we are very pleased with the progress. Speaker 400:07:49The sales team has done a great job onboarding new VA hospitals and we are seeing significant usage. The focus will be to continue to sell through the contract and expand our footprint nationally. Regarding foundation medicine, we are seeing nice momentum onboarding clients and the demand for hereditary cancer test appears to be there. We are optimistic these initiatives will provide potential upside for us this year. In terms of our Anatomic Pathology business, our laboratory continues to deliver excellent quality and turnaround time and the improved sales team is doing a great job delivering this message to potential clients. Speaker 400:08:27Regarding the sales team, we continue to methodically hire focused mostly on new expansion territories. I suspect this will continue into 2026. We've now posted back to back quarters of solid year over year growth, so it's exciting to see the investments we've made in this area paying off. One area to highlight in particular is the investment we have made in digital pathology. During the first quarter, we digitized over 85 of our slides and recognized over $1,000,000 in digital billing for the first quarter. Speaker 400:09:01We believe we are significantly ahead of the curve in this area. Moving to digital has several advantages, notably the ability to use AI to assist our pathologists as well as providing our pathologists the option to read remotely. Remote reading has been huge for us since we can now recruit pathologists from all over the country without the need to relocate to one of our labs. With this new recruiting tool, we now work with over 60 pathologists, most of which are subspecialty trained. In terms of AI, now that most of our slides have been scanned, we can use commercially available AI and we are currently building our own AI tools both of which have the potential to increase quality, turnaround time and throughput. Speaker 400:09:46Our biopharma services business continues to perform well and had an excellent quarter. We are seeing continued strength from existing clients as well as a deepening pipeline of opportunities. We expect to see some variability from quarter to quarter based on the nature of this business, but with a vastly improved product offering, we believe we'll continue to see demand for these services. In previous calls, we discussed the potential for the FDA to regulate lab developed tests or LDTs. Recently, a district court ruling overturned the FDA's final rule on LDTs and as a result further regulatory efforts regarding LDTs may be unlikely in the near term. Speaker 400:10:27The court stated that the text, structure and history of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act and the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments make clear that the FDA lacks the authority to regulate laboratory developed tests. Although there is a possibility of an appeal, an appeal may be unlikely at this time for a variety of reasons. This is an evolving and fast moving topic, so we will continue to monitor developments for the foreseeable future. We were pleased to see 2025 get off to a fast start and we hope to see the momentum continue. We believe the investments we are making in our operation and business have paid off and should continue to do so. Speaker 400:11:11I'll now turn the call over to Paul Kim, our Chief Financial Officer. Paul? Speaker 300:11:16Thank you, Randall. Revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five totaled $73,500,000 compared to $76,200,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. The revenue from COVID-nineteen testing is negligible. Revenues from our core business totaled $73,500,000 GAAP gross margin was 38.6% and a non GAAP basis was 41%. Gross margins improved year over year, showing the benefit of our continued efficiencies and streamlining of our business. Speaker 300:11:50Now to operating expenses. Total GAAP operating expenses were $48,100,000 in the first quarter compared to $48,000,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. Non GAAP operating expenses totaled $37,400,000 remaining essentially flat compared to the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. First quarter operating expenses benefited from the reversal of $1,000,000 previously accrued as a potential liability related to the SEC since the SEC has advised the company that it has concluded its investigation with no enforcement action recommended. Non GAAP operating margin decreased approximately five percentage points sequentially to a minus 10%, primarily due to lower revenue and gross margins. Speaker 300:12:38Adjusted EBITDA loss for the first quarter was approximately $2,900,000 compared to a loss of $3,200,000 in Q1 twenty twenty four. On a non GAAP basis and excluding equity based compensation expense and intangible asset amortization, income for the quarter was approximately $1,200,000 or $04 per share based on 30,900,000.0 weighted average diluted shares outstanding. Since the beginning of 2025, as of today, we have repurchased approximately 646,000 shares at an aggregated cost of $10,900,000 pursuant to our stock repurchase program. Since the inception of the repurchase program in March 2022, a total of approximately $110,400,000 has been spent with approximately $139,600,000 remaining available for future repurchases of our common stock. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the first quarter with approximately $814,600,000 of cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and marketable securities. Speaker 300:13:51We are reiterating our outlook for 2025 provided in February. We are guiding to core revenue, which is total laboratory service revenue for the company without COVID-nineteen testing revenue. We expect total core revenue to be approximately $310,000,000 for 2025, representing a growth of 10% year over year. We continue to expect non GAAP gross margins for the full year to slightly exceed 40%, continuing the strong momentum we've experienced in recent quarters. We continue to expect non GAAP operating margins of approximately minus 15% for the year as we continue to invest in business growth, further develop laboratory operations and enhance our existing laboratory facilities. Speaker 300:14:43We remain focused on managing our spend and continue to believe that our foundational technology platform supports a strong margin profile longer term. We continue to expect associated cash burn for our therapeutics development business of approximately $25,000,000 this year, which is contemplated in our EPS and cash guidance. We continue to expect our GAAP EPS to be a loss of approximately $1.95 per share excluding any future one time charges using a 32,000,000 average share count. Utilizing a non GAAP tax provision and average share count of 32,000,000, we currently expect full year 2025 to be at a non GAAP loss of $0.65 per share excluding stock based compensation, impairments and amortization of intangible assets as well as any one time charges. Finally, our cash position remains strong. Speaker 300:15:42We're focused on efficient capital allocation that allows us to reinvest in the business, fund key initiatives and support future growth. Excluding any future stock repurchases and other expenditures outside the ordinary course, which could include M and A, we anticipate ending 2025 with approximately $770,000,000 of cash, cash equivalents and investments and marketable securities. The decrease from the previous estimate of $780,000,000 relates to the $10,900,000 spent year to date on stock repurchases. Overall, we see strength in our core business, which has grown organically and we see good momentum in 2025. Thank you for joining us on our call today. Speaker 300:16:25Operator, now you may open it up for questions. Operator00:16:28Certainly. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question today is coming from Lu Li from UBS. Your line is now live. Speaker 500:16:43Thank you so much for taking my question. The first one is on the full year guide. So you mentioned great momentum in the VA contract and the Foundation Madison. So and you beat the quarter. So why not raising the guide? Speaker 500:16:58Do you think that there are any more upside or downside to the '25 number? Speaker 300:17:04Yes. On the guide, I think your comment was on revenues, but I'll also cover EPS as well. Given the fact that we just initially had the guide about eight or nine weeks ago when we announced our year end results, we see good we actually see great momentum in our overall core business, particularly in the area of precision diagnostics. We just want to be a little bit more comfortable before we adjust the guide because when we do potentially make any adjustments to the revenue guide, we want that to be a bit considerable rather than something that's less than that. And then on the EPS, as you see, we had a very good first quarter, and the EPS came in a bit better than what we internally estimated. Speaker 300:18:00But, we also want the adjustment to the EPS to be something that's considerable when we do, alter that. There's certainly a possibility that we can do that in the second quarter, but we're monitoring that. The other thing on why we did not adjust the EPS guide at this point is because we have been a bit aggressive on our stock buyback. And the way the mechanics work on the stock buyback when you have losses is less shares that you have out there outstanding actually decreases your EPS. So we're actually monitoring those dynamics before we adjust the guide on both Speaker 200:18:44the top as well as the bottom line. Speaker 500:18:47Got it. Appreciate the color. So I think this question for Brendan. I think in the last quarter, you mentioned that there are some of the new accounts that you went in physician diagnostics slip into 2025, so like Q1 and Q2. So I wonder your Q1 results, like how much from of that is coming out from those new accounts where like you already fully aborted them? Speaker 500:19:12And how much is actually the kind of like the base Precision Diagnostics business, if that makes sense? Speaker 400:19:18I think it does and thanks for the question. So I think the strong performance we had in the first quarter was certainly a mix of our existing clients ordering more from us, but probably more so new client wins. We continue to pick up market share in precision diagnostics, especially in the reproductive health arena. Yes, we've talked about new meaningful wins in previous quarters and then onboarding early this year. We mentioned that some of these larger clients take some time to onboard to get implemented. Speaker 400:19:55That's all happening in real time. So I think the strong performance we're seeing is Fulgent gaining additional market share in some of these areas with meaningful new client wins. Some of these new clients are still not fully onboarded. When you think about some of the very large practices and clinics throughout the country, it takes a while to onboard clinics when they have twenty, thirty, 50 clinics across the country. So it's a bit of a rollout and it just takes some time. Speaker 400:20:25But all that's progressing quite nicely. And I think we're going to continue to see that momentum pick up from new client wins. Speaker 500:20:33Got it. So final question for me on capital deployment. Do you expect to be doing more buyback in 2025? And how should we think about kind of like the M and A potential? Thank you. Speaker 200:20:47Yes. Thank you for the questions. Definitely you see we're starting to deploy the capital for the stock buybacks aggressively. In addition, we are evaluating various options for the potential M and A to enhance our distribution network and deployed our technologies. So all those options are open and we'll accurately review every deals we're seeing. Operator00:21:27Thank you. Our next question today is coming from David Westenberg from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live. Speaker 600:21:33Hi. Thanks for taking the question. So actually I'll start off. Ming Shai, can you talk about the expected penetration rate once you launch FID-one hundred seven? What do you expect the cadence of adoption? Speaker 600:21:45And can you remind us kind of is that a cancer with more broad based chemotherapies or a lot more targeted? Speaker 200:21:52Yes, thank you for the question. It is by combination with cetuximab, we are targeting for the EGFR positive patients, but also with our chemo option, we're also targeting non EGFR populations together. The head and neck cancer is the initial restart, but many other options we could explore once we get concluded our dosing optimization in the Phase two trials. But our overall results is good and also market is quite large for us. Speaker 600:22:35You. Paul, I want to actually talk about maybe the capital deployment. I mean, you do have a lot of different products now and you do have pretty good efficiencies in the lab. Is there any thoughts to maybe using capital deployment to expand sales and marketing? I know that usually I know you said you guys are looking at tuck ins and stock buybacks. Speaker 600:22:57Is there any opportunity you think in terms of expanding that? Speaker 300:23:01Yes, yes. That's an excellent question. So let me kind of tee that up and then I'm going to turn it over to Brandon. If you take a look at our Q1 actual results, we talked about the reversal of the SEC accrual that we had in the G and A of $1,000,000 So you see the G and A being a bit lower than our normalized rate of $22,000,000 to $23,000,000 excluding stock based compensation. But to your question, on the sales and marketing, that was also lower. Speaker 300:23:34Meaning, if you take a look at our sales and marketing spend, it was 7,600,000.0 in Q1, but we see that being ramped up to between 10,000,000 and $11,000,000, in Q2, Q3 and Q4, respectively. And I'll turn it over to Brandon on why that is happening. Speaker 400:23:56Yes, certainly. Thanks again for the question, David. I mean the short answer is yes, we are hiring. We're hiring in real time. We expect that to pick up some momentum throughout this year. Speaker 400:24:05We are hiring new salespeople for pediatric and rare disease testing. We're hiring new salespeople for reproductive health and we're also hiring people in the pathology division. We Speaker 700:24:16mentioned Speaker 400:24:16in the call, we've done a great job turning the pathology division around. We're seeing that division return to growth. That team is producing, able to take our great turnaround time and quality to market. So the short answer to your question, yes, we're going to be hiring salespeople across all three divisions throughout the rest of this year. We believe in terms of our go to market strategy, our competitive advantages, our contracts that we now have, we have what it takes operationally to make this sales team successful. Speaker 400:24:47So we'll be updating you on the future phone calls about the size of the team, how quickly it's growing, But we are excited about recruiting some really good talent here to come help grow the company. Speaker 600:25:01Very helpful. Yes, you did have a good growth in anatomic pathology which came as a surprise. Good, obviously a positive, right. Just in terms of strength in biopharma, that would actually, I think that you guys were a little bit of an outlier in terms of the magnitude of how good that was. Just given the fact that biopharma, at least from our pulse, just seems to be a little bit more conservative in the current environment. Speaker 600:25:27Can you talk about appetite for spending the rest of the year and maybe color on like book to bill there just the way we should expect for the rest of the year because I mean I don't think you guys will be growing at 51% for the rest of the year. Operator00:25:40I just Speaker 600:25:40want to be careful about not getting over our skis in terms of where we're thinking about that. Speaker 400:25:44Yes, certainly. I think we've on each call, we've mentioned sort of the variability quarter to quarter in our biopharma business. That's a factor of two things. One is still a relatively low number compared to the size of some of our other divisions. And the nature of that business as we win these awards, we do the work, deliver the product, it can be variable and we've used even lumpy in previous calls. Speaker 400:26:12We hope to continue to gain scale, so some of that variability kind of smooths out over time. But as long as we're working with a relatively smaller number and we're winning big awards, at different intervals throughout the year, you're going to continue to see some variability. That said, I think we've mentioned that our biopharma capabilities have vastly expanded from where they were a year or even two years ago. So I think some of the strength that we're able to see is that a lot of these new services we've launched, we're able to then sell those to these biopharma clients as well. So think back just a couple of years ago, we were mostly focused on next generation sequencing. Speaker 400:26:57So there was a lot of studies, lot of RFPs, a lot of opportunities we couldn't address. But for the past couple of years, we've launched all these new platforms. So we're able to address a much larger market. So that team continues to build a good pipeline of opportunities. I think our relationships with the biopharma companies are deepening, meaning we're seeing more pull through from existing clients. Speaker 400:27:21I think that's great. It's a good testament to our quality and what we're doing with some of these companies. So I think we'll see some variability quarter to quarter, but if you look at it over time, I think that's an area that's going grow quite well for the company. Speaker 600:27:35Thank you very much. Operator00:27:40Thank you. Next question is coming from Andrew Cooper from Raymond James. Your line is now live. Speaker 700:27:45Hi, everybody. Thanks for the questions. Maybe first, just was hoping you could unpack a little bit more of the Precision Diagnostics momentum. What sort of being driven by Nova versus Beacon? And then really outside of reproductive health as well, what you're seeing, whether it's some of those rare disease or frankly some of those newer oncology offerings that you've rolled out over the last several quarters? Speaker 400:28:08Yes. Thanks for the question, Andrew. Yes, lot to unpack there, right? We have a lot of tests in precision diagnostics. So it can be a bit overwhelming. Speaker 400:28:16I'll get the easy one out of the way. Nova is not contributing significantly at this point. We are seeing good feedback from the field. We are generating some volume. Even internationally, we're generating some volume, but Nova wasn't the driver for the quarter. Speaker 400:28:32I think there was probably two areas to highlight out of all the different tests that we offer, still probably continues to be Beacon. We've just done an excellent job with expanded carrier screening. I think our average turnaround time for the first quarter was something like eleven days, which is just spectacular. The quality of BEACON, what we're doing with our bioinformatics to address the pseudo genes, the quality of our reports, we've just done an excellent job bringing that product to market. So, our existing clients are ordering more, but more importantly, we are onboarding new clients and having new client wins for Beacon. Speaker 400:29:12Probably other area to highlight is sort of our what our core business was for a long time is pediatric rare disease. I believe on the fourth quarter call, we talked about launching a new whole genome and that would include RNA sequencing. We branded it RISE, RNA Integrated Sequencing Evaluation. So we have added to that sales team in a small way so far. We plan to do additional hiring throughout the year. Speaker 400:29:38But that area of our business is doing well. The market is really receiving the message that for diagnostic dilemmas, undiagnosed genetic conditions, adding RNA to whole genome sequencing is a very powerful tool. So, that sales team has done a great job approaching children's hospitals, academic medical centers to really present the benefit of adding RNA to a whole genome. I think we've mentioned that literature shows with RNA, we could diagnose up to twenty percent or thirty percent more patients. So we're seeing momentum in the rare disease space. Speaker 400:30:16We're investing in that area. And I think it's going to have good momentum for us throughout the rest of the year. Speaker 300:30:24Perfect. Speaker 700:30:25And then maybe kind of circling back to the P and L a little bit. I think all you commented on that sort of 10 to 11 ballpark each of the rest of the quarters for sales and marketing. I guess, one, why should that not be going up if you're talking about hiring kind of incrementally through the rest of the year? And then could you also help us think about gross margin trajectories as you do have sort of an evolving mix with, Brandon, to your point, kind of a lot of different moving parts, a lot of different products that are contributing different amounts in a given quarter or for the full year? Speaker 300:31:01Yes. As far as the gross margin, back about a year ago, our hope was that we get close to 40%, but we actually overachieved that mark, I believe in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. And as we take a look at 2025, even with the revenues, say, for Q1 being slightly lower than Q4, we actually feel pretty good with our gross margins. Gross margins, excluding stock based comp was running at 41% or maybe a little bit higher than 41%. And we don't really see any reason on why everything being equal, that would dip that much. Speaker 300:31:44There's actually a pretty good chance that when we get towards the back half of this year, it might even increase from the gross margin target that we had. And then on the expenses for selling and marketing, I forgot the question that you had for selling and marketing. Your question why the step up in You Speaker 700:32:05talked about the 10 to 11, but you've talked about kind of more hiring happening through the course of the year. So why the sudden step up and then sort of plateauing as opposed to something a little bit? Because Speaker 300:32:18we are actively hiring, right, in Q1 and a number of those people have already joined the company. It's going to be between 10,000,000 and $11,000,000 that's our forecast in the last three quarters. So in Q2, it might be something closer to 10 and in Q4, it might be something closer to 11. Operator00:32:43Thank you. We reached the end of our question and answer session. And ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's teleconference and webcast. May disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.Read morePowered by