NASDAQ:GDS GDS Q1 2025 Earnings Report $25.28 -0.38 (-1.48%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$25.31 +0.03 (+0.12%) As of 07:27 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast GDS EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.48Consensus EPS -$0.22Beat/MissBeat by +$0.70One Year Ago EPS-$1.96GDS Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$375.14 millionExpected Revenue$2.72 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$2.34 billionYoY Revenue Growth+3.60%GDS Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/20/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, May 20, 2025Conference Call Time8:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsGDS' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 20, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, August 22, 2025 at 9:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (6-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by GDS Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 20, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for GTS Holdings Limited First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After management prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Today's conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:21I will now turn the call over to your host, Ms. Laura Chen, Head of Investor Relations for the company. Please go ahead, Laura. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:00:30Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the first quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call of GDS Holdings Limited. The company's results were issued via Newswire services earlier today and are posted online. A summary presentation, which we will refer to during this conference call, can be viewed and downloaded from our IR website at investorsgdsservices.com. Leading today's call is Mr. William Huang, GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, who will provide an overview of our business strategy and performance. Mr. Dan Newman, GDS's CFO, will then review the financial and operating results. Before we continue, please note that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of The U. S. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:01:17Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company's results may be materially different from the views expressed today. Further information regarding these and other risks and uncertainties is included in the company's prospectus as filed with the U. S. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:01:39SEC. The company does not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required under applicable laws. Please also note that GDS earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non GAAP financial measures. GDS's press release contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non GAAP measures to the unaudited most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, William Huang. Please go ahead, William. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:02:17Thank you, Laura. Hello, everyone. This is William. Thank you for joining us on today's call. We started 2025 with very solid results. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:02:30In the first quarter, we achieved revenue growth of 12% and adjusted EBITDA growth of 16% year on year. It is the highest growth rate for the past two years. This is the result of our continued focus on backlog delivery and new orders with faster moving schedule. Our gross move in during 1Q twenty twenty five was around 20,000 square meters, all in Tier one markets. Our utilization rate reached 75.7%. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:03:11Quarterly move in has stayed at a consistent level since the beginning of last year. We expect the pace of move in to continue through this year, with around 40% of the current backlog to be delivered by year end. The demand environment has turned the corner with AI developments. This led to an initial wave of demand for AI training in remote locations. Now the demand is coming to Tier one markets with AI Inferencing. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:03:51We believe Inferencing could be a much bigger and more sustainable opportunity across multiple years. The mega deal of 152 that was signed during 1Q twenty twenty five is a perfect example and evidence of stronger demand during this AI era. This new order requires us to deliver data centers within six months. The customer committed to moving fully within the following six months. The whole cycle for obtaining the new order to full utilization is about one year. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:04:36This is a high quality AI driven new business, with no moving risk, as we confirmed with the customer. Looking forward, there are still uncertainties around AI chip supply in China in the short term. Our customers are working out their deployment plans. As chip supply becomes more clear, we expect demand to take off. In terms of capacity supply, we are well positioned to capture these opportunities. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:05:13We already have around 900 MW of capacity held for future developments in and around Tier one markets. As I mentioned, we believe the coming wave for AI demand is going to be largely from Inferencing, which requires large sites in Tier one markets. We have multiple sites sustainable for AI inferencing around Beijing, Shanghai and the center. As demand continues to grow and the time to deliver becomes the key fact, our health force development capacity will become more valuable. We believe there is a good chance that we will develop all of these 900 MW and more within the next four years. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:06:09On the financing side, we made significant progress with our asset monetization program. We completed the first ADS transaction in 1Q twenty twenty five, and we are making good progress on the Sea REIT transaction. Our asset monetization strategy gives us financing flexibility in terms of being able to recycle cash in China when we need to. It gives us an option to capitalize new projects. Lastly, I would like to share some key operational updates for Day one. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:06:57In 1Q twenty twenty five, added 70 MW of new commitments, which bring its total power commitment committed to over five thirty MW. In the current quarter, they have also made substantial progress in expanding its footprint. It obtained customer commitments for its Thailand project. In addition, it made a breakthrough into completely new market Europe and landed its first project in Finland together with secured customer commitments. The order for Thailand and Finland are expected to total over two twenty MW, which will be added to power committed in the next few months. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:07:54This will bring total power committed to over seven fifty MW. Day one is ahead of schedule to meet the target of one GW of total power committed within three years. The new market expansion demonstrates DAYWOR's capability of working with world leading tech companies to provide total data center solutions. They will create new markets where customers can scale up efficiently and within a short lead time. It has done successfully in Malaysia and Indonesia, and it will do so again in Thailand and Finland. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:08:44This capability is truly what sets Day One apart. Now I will now pass on to Dan for the financing and operating review. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:08:57Thank you, William. Over the past few years, our financial objectives were to get back onto a higher growth track in terms of EBITDA, while at the same time strengthening our financial position and deleveraging. With the advent of AI demand in China, we can look forward over the next few years to more and better growth opportunities. However, as we capture these opportunities, we will maintain strict financial discipline. We believe that this is the right approach which has potential to create significant equity value with low investment and financing risk. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:09:45Starting on slide 13 in 1Q twenty five revenue increased by 12% year on year. This was a result of an increase in total area utilized of 14.6% and a decrease in MSR per square meter of 2.6% as compared with 1Q twenty four. In 1Q twenty five, adjusted EBITDA increased by 16.1% year on year. In addition, we realized a gain on deconsolidation of subsidiaries sold to the ABS of over RMB1 billion, which we have not included in adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted EBITDA margin for 1Q twenty twenty five was 48.6% compared with 46.9% in 1Q twenty twenty four. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:10:44The higher margin was mainly due to lower operating costs. Over the next three quarters, we expect quarterly adjusted EBITDA to increase on average by high single digits percentage year on year. This takes account of deconsolidation EBITDA with completion of the ABS transaction on thirty first March twenty twenty five. As shown on slide 16, subject to achieving performance conditions, we will receive total cash consideration of up to RMB1.8 billion for the sale of the ABS, out of which we will reinvest up to RMB500 million for our 30% share of the ABS issue. The first installment of cash proceeds has been received and booked in 2Q twenty five. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:11:48In addition, we have deconsolidated debt and other liabilities of approximately RMB1.1 billion. The implied EV to EBITDA for the sale to ABS is around 13 times, which we believe sets an important benchmark for our forthcoming CV offering and for the valuation of our stabilized China assets as a whole. We are making good progress with the establishment of an onshore listed Sea REIT. It is moving forward faster than expected. We've received approval from NDRC, and it is now being reviewed by CSRC and the Shanghai Stock Exchange. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:12:38The application documents are filed publicly. Subject to obtaining all necessary approvals, we hope to launch and complete the offering later this year. The CRE transaction is going to be very strategic. It will establish a further valuation benchmark for our stabilized data centers in China and it will create a vehicle into which we can potentially drop down further assets in future if we choose to do so. On slide 22, we show the pro form a deleveraging effect of the ABS and CRE. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:13:21The ABS is a done deal, while for the CRE we made working assumptions for illustrative purposes. As you can see we are able to support total CapEx in the current year of RMB4.8 billion before taking account of the proceeds of asset monetization while lowering our net debt and leverage ratios. Turning to slide 23 on business outlook. When we gave guidance at the last quarter end we already assumed that the ABS will be deconsolidated from the beginning of 2Q twenty five. If we complete the CRE this year, it will have some impact on our financials, but we still think that we can meet our original revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:14:22Thus we're keeping the previously provided guidance of total revenue and adjusted EBITDA unchanged. The CB transaction if completed will also impact our investment cash flow. As of now we keep our CapEx guidance unchanged which just includes gross CapEx less the initial proceeds from the ABS transaction. Finishing on slide 24. Now that we have deconsolidated day one, it is important to look at the equity value of GDS on its sum of the past basis. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:15:03In addition to our equity value creation in China, we expect the value of our equity interest in day one to appreciate significantly. Based on the series b benchmark from last year, our equity interest in day one was worth around 1,300,000,000.0 US dollars or 7 US dollars per GDS ADR. William mentioned that day one is already on track to achieve total power commitments of over seven fifty megawatts in the next few months. As day one achieves optimal operating leverage, its EBITDA per megawatt should trend upwards towards industry benchmark levels. This gives an indication of the current level of contracted EBITDA which can be converted to actual EBITDA as backlog contracts are delivered over the next few years. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:16:10I'd now like to open the floor to questions. Operator? Operator00:16:16Thank you, sir. Operator00:16:35Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our first question. So the questions come from the line of Yang Liu from Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:16:59Thanks for the opportunity. Two questions from my side. First, congratulations on the solid result. My first question is regarding the China demand, especially from the hyperscaler side. We start to hear a lot of noise on the chipset supply since March. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:17:23Could management update us in terms of their demand quarter to date, given a lot of things happened in the past two months? Is there still any order coming in, in certain quarter, Q to date? Yes, that's my first question. My second question is regarding the financial guidance because Dan just mentioned that previous guidance does not factor in the ABS deconsolidation. And now the deal got closed, and actually, you don't need to change the guidance. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:18:04So what should be the expectation on the three quarters of the contribution from that project to full year number. Yes. Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:18:21Okay. This is Wenem. Let me ask you answer the first question. I think the demand obvious is very strong in general. And we see that AI demand AI related demand will continue maintain a strong position. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:18:44But we have to say, we are lucky, we are sitting in there all our assets sitting in the Tier one market, which is this demand mainly driven by the inference. So inference that means the customer less rely on the GPU. They will use more hybrid and traditional. So I think for us, we will see our demand will continue. It's it's too early to say what what's our target. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:19:21But in general, I I have to say, we are we have 900 megawatts held for future development capacity, well positioned. And as I said, in the general midterm, long term, we can we can buy just we can sell this 900 megawatts within four years. We are very confident on that. But I think maybe in short term, I think a lot of training demand will be impact, but it's not our target net net net in in in past couple of years, for training demand is not our target. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:20:10So when we gave EBITDA guidance, I think at the midpoint it implied year on year growth full year '25 versus 24 of 8.5% and we had assumed that the ABS transaction would close at the end of 1Q which indeed it did. If we had not done that ABS transaction we would have continued to consolidate the underlying assets for the second third and fourth quarter of this year. And on that basis we actually the last cycle that our annual growth rate in terms of EBITDA would have been around 11%. So the impact of the ABS transaction closing at the end of 1Q is to reduce full year EBITDA by around RMB130 million. That's what we would have consolidated over the next three quarters and to reduce the annual growth rate from 11% down to the guided 8.5%. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:21:28Now of course we completed the first quarter. Announced in the first quarter our year on year growth rate was 16% which is clearly well above that level of growth. That's why I try to give some indication of the expected growth rate year on year in the second third and fourth quarter. I said it won't be as high as the first quarter but it should be high single digits in percentage terms on average each quarter 2Q versus 2Q 3Q versus 4Q versus 4Q. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:22:12Yeah, I want to add one point. I think, based on what we know understanding, our customer already tested domestic GPU for a while. So I think the if the chips in get some issue, I think the in the next twelve months to domestic GPU will catch up. Just how are you? Yeah. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:22:44Thank you. Operator00:22:47We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Sarah Wong from UBS. Please ask your question. Xinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS Group00:22:58Okay. Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. I just have one question. Given GDS is actually expanding beyond Southeast Asia and even into Europe, can we compare the IRR profile or EBITDA yield across different markets, for example, Draw Hore Thailand or Finland, and also compare that to China? Thank you. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:23:27Sarah, I have to correct you. It's not GDS. It's Shaiyuan. Xinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS Group00:23:32Yeah, I'm sorry. Shaiyuan. Yeah, I'm sorry. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:23:37Okay. Xinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS Group00:23:38Yeah, just on single further level. Thank you. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:23:42Yeah. What seen so far, and it's across several different markets, we simply take say the development yield it's in the low teens which is I think quite healthy and higher than what we currently achieve in China on a total investment cost basis. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:24:08That probably reflects that in the markets in which day one is operating there's a slightly different supply demand balance from China. But it's a good I'd say leading indicator because AI demand really takes off in China in tier one markets We can see that demand supply balance shifting in China and hopefully that will lead to better yields in China as well. Operator00:24:48We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Frank Louthan from Raymond James and Associates. Please ask your question. Frank LouthanManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:25:01Great. Thank you. Can you give us an idea of when you expect the China business to be self funding? And does this new wave of AI demand push that out a little bit? And then if you can comment on whether you have the full amount of funding for the seven fifty megawatts of commitments at day one, that'd be great. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:25:33First part of Frank's question is about so in in in China we are roughly break even in terms of free cash flow before financing we were actually positive free cash flow before financing last year and in the current year maybe we should instead of looking at free cash flow before financing we look at net debt and with the contribution from two asset monetization transactions we should be able to bring down net debt over the course of the year so that means that we are already through operating cash flow and asset monetization able to generate sufficient cash flow and to deconsolidate debt on sale of assets so that is at least equal to the amount of annual CapEx. William mentioned that we're quite confident that over the next four years we could potentially develop our entire land and power bank in tier one markets which is around 900 megawatts and maybe more. If we did that evenly over four years it would equate to around 5,000,000,000 RMB of annual capex which is similar to this year's level and with the operating cash flow which we expect to grow over that time period and the ability to monetize assets through a listed CRE vehicle I believe we'll be able to repeat the pattern of this year's financing in terms of investment cash flow being offset by operating cash flow and asset monetization proceeds. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:27:45On the day one we take $7.50 megawatts William mentioned and Day one to date has raised nearly $2,500,000,000 of equity. So Day one is fully capitalized to be able to develop and deliver that portfolio, that level of commitments. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:28:12Yeah. I believe if they want me raise money, it's not an issue and can well access all international capital market. Frank LouthanManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:28:22Okay. Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:28:41For the benefit of all the participants on today's call, please limit yourself to one question. If you have more questions, please reenter the queue. Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Edison Lee from Jefferies Hong Kong. Please ask your question. Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:29:03Hi, William and Dan. Congratulations on another great quarter. I have, in fact, two pretty quick questions. Number one question is about your gross new area committed in the first quarter at 46,000 square meter. I think that's a new high in many quarters. Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:29:21So can you share some color as to how many customers this new number is coming from and where the locations are for this 46,000 square meter. And then number two is there has been some talk in the industry in China about new government regulations controlling the expansion of AI data center, and right now they need to approve any project seven megawatt or above. And also there is some talk in the industry that China in fact does not want or does not prefer private companies to be building AI data centers, they prefer SOEs to be building AI data centers. And I understand a lot of your power reserve actually has been obtained some years ago already. So I just want to know whether there's any risk that the government actually needs to reopen the book and we approve some of your power? Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:30:16And what is your thought on these market talks right now? Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:30:26Okay. I think the first question is, I think the Q1 mainly driven by the one of our traditional hyperscale customers. I think it is located in which is this at a town school, which very close to Shanghai and Beijing. So this is exactly if if if everybody remember in a during the cloud era, we used to represent 50% of the cloud pops in this major city or around this major city. So we are are very, very lucky at that era. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:31:14So now inference, I think it's we have benefit for that inference demand because I just mentioned. Right? So the increase model is more like a hybrid. Use the GPU plus CPU card. So they will call cooperate together. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:31:33So I think this is one thing, the first question. The other is about the control AI data center. Based on my understanding, mainly I think, you mainly mainly for the SOE investment. So I think the I I should point out our 900 megawatts capacity, already most of them, we already obtained the power energy quota. So this is the world. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:32:11New new guidance, new policy will not impact impact us. Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:32:20Okay. Thank you. Operator00:32:24We are now going to proceed with our next question. Questions come from the line of Dailey Le from Bank of America. Please ask your question. Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:32:37Hi, management. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the solid demand trend. I have two questions. Number one is about the overseas business. Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:32:48Recent, we received like 70 megawatts new orders. And could management give some color about the mix of the clients for China and overseas and or the mix of AI and non AI? And given the AI diffusion policy has been withdrawn by The US, how could you share some color about the client feedback about the future, you know, new orders or the moving progress for the international business? My second question is about the our series insurance in China market. I saw the news we received the first round of feedback from the CSRC and how do we see the progress? Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:33:34Can we expect to update in the second half this year or how is the timeline, please? Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:33:44Yeah. The first question, I think if everybody remember, we used to talk about our client in the for day one. It's in general is mixed. We got we successfully took out the order from international customer and also Chinese customer as well. I think I think we used to talk about our client, our major client from China. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:34:19They are major use the purpose for their deployment is to support their ecommerce and the video business and the social medium business. It's just to use it. It's used it a high performance CPU. So in general, in the last three years, based on our understanding, our total capacity is served 90% for GPU CPU, sorry, CPU, only maybe around 10% used to the purpose for GPU. So this is I think everybody remember the last couple of quarters when we talk about the international market, that's nothing changed. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:35:14For the seaweed offering, we've been through many rounds of review and approval. And the stage what we've now reached is that the listing application is being reviewed by the Chinese securities regulator CSRC and the Shanghai Stock Exchange and this is a public process so the prospectus and some other key documents have been filed and are available for the public to access and we've been asked questions just like US SEC process where applicants are asked to address a number of questions and our responses will also be filed publicly. But typically this this stage of the process takes a few months. We don't take anything for granted but if all goes well we would hope to receive the clearance to be able to proceed with an offering and a listing and then we would have one year in which to make a decision as to when to to launch that. And, you know, ideally, we would be able to do that later this year and complete the complete the process and and lift the CRE before the end of this before the end of this year. Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:36:54Thank you. Operator00:36:56We are now going to proceed with our next question. The next questions come from the line of Eunice Liu from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question. Yucen (Eunice) LiuGlobal Investment Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:37:08Good evening, William, Dan and Laura. Thanks for taking my question. I'm asking question on behalf of our analyst, Timothy Zhao. So our question is, first, on GDS China. Could you elaborate more on the pricing outlook for the China business? Yucen (Eunice) LiuGlobal Investment Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:37:24And my second question is on day one. So we noticed your EBITDA margin improved through the latest quarter. Could you explain the drivers behind? Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:37:40Yeah. I think the the article for the China business, we maintain very confidence in. Oh, okay. The price of it. Right? William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:37:50I think the the the current new business price is very stable. And I think the, you know, the in general, I think the the the new business is is, let's say, maintained at very, very stable level right now, whatever from the Beijing market or Shanghai market or central market. Right? So this is our outlook for the future. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:38:28You know, the one had had a EBITDA margin in 01/2025 of of 31%. So for a company that actually only started to generate revenue about five quarters ago, that's already quite remarkable. And my understanding is that day one ramp up over the next few years as it delivers its backlog is going be very rapid. As that happens, day one will be able to achieve higher operating leverage on its corporate costs and on its business development costs. And I think within within a few years, you'll see that, EBITDA margin hit hit sort of in industry benchmark levels. Operator00:39:27Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like now turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks. Thank you. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:39:36Thank you all once again for joining us today, and we'll see you next time. Bye bye. Operator00:39:43This concludes this conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your line. Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesLaura ChenHead-Investor RelationsWilliam HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEODaniel NewmanChief Financial OfficerAnalystsYang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan StanleyXinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS GroupFrank LouthanManaging Director at Raymond James FinancialEdison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at JefferiesDaley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill LynchYucen (Eunice) LiuGlobal Investment Research Analyst at Goldman SachsPowered by Key Takeaways Q1 2025 results showed 12% year-on-year revenue growth and 16% adjusted EBITDA growth—the highest rates in two years—driven by strong backlog delivery and move-ins in Tier 1 markets. Demand has shifted to AI inferencing in Tier 1 markets, exemplified by a “mega deal” requiring a full data-center buildout and customer move-in within a one-year cycle with no expansion risk. GDS holds 900 MW of capacity planned for future developments around Beijing, Shanghai and central China, and expects to develop this pipeline within four years as AI demand accelerates. The company has advanced its asset-monetization strategy, completing a first ADS transaction and progressing on a SEA REIT, providing RMB 1.8 billion in funding and setting a ~13× EV/EBITDA valuation benchmark. Subsidiary Day One added 70 MW in Q1 and secured over 220 MW in new commitments for Thailand and Finland, pushing total power committed past 750 MW and on track for a 1 GW target within three years. AI Generated. 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The company provides colocation services comprising critical facilities space, customer-available power, racks, and cooling; managed hosting services, including business continuity and disaster recovery, network management, data storage, system security, operating system, database, and server middleware services; managed cloud services; and consulting services. It serves cloud service providers, large Internet companies, financial institutions, telecommunications and IT service providers, and large domestic private sector and multinational corporations. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for GTS Holdings Limited First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After management prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Today's conference call is being recorded. Operator00:00:21I will now turn the call over to your host, Ms. Laura Chen, Head of Investor Relations for the company. Please go ahead, Laura. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:00:30Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the first quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call of GDS Holdings Limited. The company's results were issued via Newswire services earlier today and are posted online. A summary presentation, which we will refer to during this conference call, can be viewed and downloaded from our IR website at investorsgdsservices.com. Leading today's call is Mr. William Huang, GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, who will provide an overview of our business strategy and performance. Mr. Dan Newman, GDS's CFO, will then review the financial and operating results. Before we continue, please note that today's discussion will contain forward looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of The U. S. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:01:17Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company's results may be materially different from the views expressed today. Further information regarding these and other risks and uncertainties is included in the company's prospectus as filed with the U. S. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:01:39SEC. The company does not assume any obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required under applicable laws. Please also note that GDS earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non GAAP financial measures. GDS's press release contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non GAAP measures to the unaudited most directly comparable GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to GDS's Founder, Chairman and CEO, William Huang. Please go ahead, William. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:02:17Thank you, Laura. Hello, everyone. This is William. Thank you for joining us on today's call. We started 2025 with very solid results. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:02:30In the first quarter, we achieved revenue growth of 12% and adjusted EBITDA growth of 16% year on year. It is the highest growth rate for the past two years. This is the result of our continued focus on backlog delivery and new orders with faster moving schedule. Our gross move in during 1Q twenty twenty five was around 20,000 square meters, all in Tier one markets. Our utilization rate reached 75.7%. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:03:11Quarterly move in has stayed at a consistent level since the beginning of last year. We expect the pace of move in to continue through this year, with around 40% of the current backlog to be delivered by year end. The demand environment has turned the corner with AI developments. This led to an initial wave of demand for AI training in remote locations. Now the demand is coming to Tier one markets with AI Inferencing. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:03:51We believe Inferencing could be a much bigger and more sustainable opportunity across multiple years. The mega deal of 152 that was signed during 1Q twenty twenty five is a perfect example and evidence of stronger demand during this AI era. This new order requires us to deliver data centers within six months. The customer committed to moving fully within the following six months. The whole cycle for obtaining the new order to full utilization is about one year. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:04:36This is a high quality AI driven new business, with no moving risk, as we confirmed with the customer. Looking forward, there are still uncertainties around AI chip supply in China in the short term. Our customers are working out their deployment plans. As chip supply becomes more clear, we expect demand to take off. In terms of capacity supply, we are well positioned to capture these opportunities. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:05:13We already have around 900 MW of capacity held for future developments in and around Tier one markets. As I mentioned, we believe the coming wave for AI demand is going to be largely from Inferencing, which requires large sites in Tier one markets. We have multiple sites sustainable for AI inferencing around Beijing, Shanghai and the center. As demand continues to grow and the time to deliver becomes the key fact, our health force development capacity will become more valuable. We believe there is a good chance that we will develop all of these 900 MW and more within the next four years. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:06:09On the financing side, we made significant progress with our asset monetization program. We completed the first ADS transaction in 1Q twenty twenty five, and we are making good progress on the Sea REIT transaction. Our asset monetization strategy gives us financing flexibility in terms of being able to recycle cash in China when we need to. It gives us an option to capitalize new projects. Lastly, I would like to share some key operational updates for Day one. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:06:57In 1Q twenty twenty five, added 70 MW of new commitments, which bring its total power commitment committed to over five thirty MW. In the current quarter, they have also made substantial progress in expanding its footprint. It obtained customer commitments for its Thailand project. In addition, it made a breakthrough into completely new market Europe and landed its first project in Finland together with secured customer commitments. The order for Thailand and Finland are expected to total over two twenty MW, which will be added to power committed in the next few months. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:07:54This will bring total power committed to over seven fifty MW. Day one is ahead of schedule to meet the target of one GW of total power committed within three years. The new market expansion demonstrates DAYWOR's capability of working with world leading tech companies to provide total data center solutions. They will create new markets where customers can scale up efficiently and within a short lead time. It has done successfully in Malaysia and Indonesia, and it will do so again in Thailand and Finland. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:08:44This capability is truly what sets Day One apart. Now I will now pass on to Dan for the financing and operating review. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:08:57Thank you, William. Over the past few years, our financial objectives were to get back onto a higher growth track in terms of EBITDA, while at the same time strengthening our financial position and deleveraging. With the advent of AI demand in China, we can look forward over the next few years to more and better growth opportunities. However, as we capture these opportunities, we will maintain strict financial discipline. We believe that this is the right approach which has potential to create significant equity value with low investment and financing risk. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:09:45Starting on slide 13 in 1Q twenty five revenue increased by 12% year on year. This was a result of an increase in total area utilized of 14.6% and a decrease in MSR per square meter of 2.6% as compared with 1Q twenty four. In 1Q twenty five, adjusted EBITDA increased by 16.1% year on year. In addition, we realized a gain on deconsolidation of subsidiaries sold to the ABS of over RMB1 billion, which we have not included in adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted EBITDA margin for 1Q twenty twenty five was 48.6% compared with 46.9% in 1Q twenty twenty four. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:10:44The higher margin was mainly due to lower operating costs. Over the next three quarters, we expect quarterly adjusted EBITDA to increase on average by high single digits percentage year on year. This takes account of deconsolidation EBITDA with completion of the ABS transaction on thirty first March twenty twenty five. As shown on slide 16, subject to achieving performance conditions, we will receive total cash consideration of up to RMB1.8 billion for the sale of the ABS, out of which we will reinvest up to RMB500 million for our 30% share of the ABS issue. The first installment of cash proceeds has been received and booked in 2Q twenty five. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:11:48In addition, we have deconsolidated debt and other liabilities of approximately RMB1.1 billion. The implied EV to EBITDA for the sale to ABS is around 13 times, which we believe sets an important benchmark for our forthcoming CV offering and for the valuation of our stabilized China assets as a whole. We are making good progress with the establishment of an onshore listed Sea REIT. It is moving forward faster than expected. We've received approval from NDRC, and it is now being reviewed by CSRC and the Shanghai Stock Exchange. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:12:38The application documents are filed publicly. Subject to obtaining all necessary approvals, we hope to launch and complete the offering later this year. The CRE transaction is going to be very strategic. It will establish a further valuation benchmark for our stabilized data centers in China and it will create a vehicle into which we can potentially drop down further assets in future if we choose to do so. On slide 22, we show the pro form a deleveraging effect of the ABS and CRE. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:13:21The ABS is a done deal, while for the CRE we made working assumptions for illustrative purposes. As you can see we are able to support total CapEx in the current year of RMB4.8 billion before taking account of the proceeds of asset monetization while lowering our net debt and leverage ratios. Turning to slide 23 on business outlook. When we gave guidance at the last quarter end we already assumed that the ABS will be deconsolidated from the beginning of 2Q twenty five. If we complete the CRE this year, it will have some impact on our financials, but we still think that we can meet our original revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:14:22Thus we're keeping the previously provided guidance of total revenue and adjusted EBITDA unchanged. The CB transaction if completed will also impact our investment cash flow. As of now we keep our CapEx guidance unchanged which just includes gross CapEx less the initial proceeds from the ABS transaction. Finishing on slide 24. Now that we have deconsolidated day one, it is important to look at the equity value of GDS on its sum of the past basis. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:15:03In addition to our equity value creation in China, we expect the value of our equity interest in day one to appreciate significantly. Based on the series b benchmark from last year, our equity interest in day one was worth around 1,300,000,000.0 US dollars or 7 US dollars per GDS ADR. William mentioned that day one is already on track to achieve total power commitments of over seven fifty megawatts in the next few months. As day one achieves optimal operating leverage, its EBITDA per megawatt should trend upwards towards industry benchmark levels. This gives an indication of the current level of contracted EBITDA which can be converted to actual EBITDA as backlog contracts are delivered over the next few years. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:16:10I'd now like to open the floor to questions. Operator? Operator00:16:16Thank you, sir. Operator00:16:35Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our first question. So the questions come from the line of Yang Liu from Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:16:59Thanks for the opportunity. Two questions from my side. First, congratulations on the solid result. My first question is regarding the China demand, especially from the hyperscaler side. We start to hear a lot of noise on the chipset supply since March. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:17:23Could management update us in terms of their demand quarter to date, given a lot of things happened in the past two months? Is there still any order coming in, in certain quarter, Q to date? Yes, that's my first question. My second question is regarding the financial guidance because Dan just mentioned that previous guidance does not factor in the ABS deconsolidation. And now the deal got closed, and actually, you don't need to change the guidance. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:18:04So what should be the expectation on the three quarters of the contribution from that project to full year number. Yes. Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:18:21Okay. This is Wenem. Let me ask you answer the first question. I think the demand obvious is very strong in general. And we see that AI demand AI related demand will continue maintain a strong position. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:18:44But we have to say, we are lucky, we are sitting in there all our assets sitting in the Tier one market, which is this demand mainly driven by the inference. So inference that means the customer less rely on the GPU. They will use more hybrid and traditional. So I think for us, we will see our demand will continue. It's it's too early to say what what's our target. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:19:21But in general, I I have to say, we are we have 900 megawatts held for future development capacity, well positioned. And as I said, in the general midterm, long term, we can we can buy just we can sell this 900 megawatts within four years. We are very confident on that. But I think maybe in short term, I think a lot of training demand will be impact, but it's not our target net net net in in in past couple of years, for training demand is not our target. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:20:10So when we gave EBITDA guidance, I think at the midpoint it implied year on year growth full year '25 versus 24 of 8.5% and we had assumed that the ABS transaction would close at the end of 1Q which indeed it did. If we had not done that ABS transaction we would have continued to consolidate the underlying assets for the second third and fourth quarter of this year. And on that basis we actually the last cycle that our annual growth rate in terms of EBITDA would have been around 11%. So the impact of the ABS transaction closing at the end of 1Q is to reduce full year EBITDA by around RMB130 million. That's what we would have consolidated over the next three quarters and to reduce the annual growth rate from 11% down to the guided 8.5%. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:21:28Now of course we completed the first quarter. Announced in the first quarter our year on year growth rate was 16% which is clearly well above that level of growth. That's why I try to give some indication of the expected growth rate year on year in the second third and fourth quarter. I said it won't be as high as the first quarter but it should be high single digits in percentage terms on average each quarter 2Q versus 2Q 3Q versus 4Q versus 4Q. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:22:12Yeah, I want to add one point. I think, based on what we know understanding, our customer already tested domestic GPU for a while. So I think the if the chips in get some issue, I think the in the next twelve months to domestic GPU will catch up. Just how are you? Yeah. Yang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan Stanley00:22:44Thank you. Operator00:22:47We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Sarah Wong from UBS. Please ask your question. Xinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS Group00:22:58Okay. Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. I just have one question. Given GDS is actually expanding beyond Southeast Asia and even into Europe, can we compare the IRR profile or EBITDA yield across different markets, for example, Draw Hore Thailand or Finland, and also compare that to China? Thank you. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:23:27Sarah, I have to correct you. It's not GDS. It's Shaiyuan. Xinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS Group00:23:32Yeah, I'm sorry. Shaiyuan. Yeah, I'm sorry. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:23:37Okay. Xinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS Group00:23:38Yeah, just on single further level. Thank you. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:23:42Yeah. What seen so far, and it's across several different markets, we simply take say the development yield it's in the low teens which is I think quite healthy and higher than what we currently achieve in China on a total investment cost basis. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:24:08That probably reflects that in the markets in which day one is operating there's a slightly different supply demand balance from China. But it's a good I'd say leading indicator because AI demand really takes off in China in tier one markets We can see that demand supply balance shifting in China and hopefully that will lead to better yields in China as well. Operator00:24:48We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Frank Louthan from Raymond James and Associates. Please ask your question. Frank LouthanManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:25:01Great. Thank you. Can you give us an idea of when you expect the China business to be self funding? And does this new wave of AI demand push that out a little bit? And then if you can comment on whether you have the full amount of funding for the seven fifty megawatts of commitments at day one, that'd be great. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:25:33First part of Frank's question is about so in in in China we are roughly break even in terms of free cash flow before financing we were actually positive free cash flow before financing last year and in the current year maybe we should instead of looking at free cash flow before financing we look at net debt and with the contribution from two asset monetization transactions we should be able to bring down net debt over the course of the year so that means that we are already through operating cash flow and asset monetization able to generate sufficient cash flow and to deconsolidate debt on sale of assets so that is at least equal to the amount of annual CapEx. William mentioned that we're quite confident that over the next four years we could potentially develop our entire land and power bank in tier one markets which is around 900 megawatts and maybe more. If we did that evenly over four years it would equate to around 5,000,000,000 RMB of annual capex which is similar to this year's level and with the operating cash flow which we expect to grow over that time period and the ability to monetize assets through a listed CRE vehicle I believe we'll be able to repeat the pattern of this year's financing in terms of investment cash flow being offset by operating cash flow and asset monetization proceeds. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:27:45On the day one we take $7.50 megawatts William mentioned and Day one to date has raised nearly $2,500,000,000 of equity. So Day one is fully capitalized to be able to develop and deliver that portfolio, that level of commitments. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:28:12Yeah. I believe if they want me raise money, it's not an issue and can well access all international capital market. Frank LouthanManaging Director at Raymond James Financial00:28:22Okay. Great. Thank you very much. Operator00:28:41For the benefit of all the participants on today's call, please limit yourself to one question. If you have more questions, please reenter the queue. Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Edison Lee from Jefferies Hong Kong. Please ask your question. Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:29:03Hi, William and Dan. Congratulations on another great quarter. I have, in fact, two pretty quick questions. Number one question is about your gross new area committed in the first quarter at 46,000 square meter. I think that's a new high in many quarters. Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:29:21So can you share some color as to how many customers this new number is coming from and where the locations are for this 46,000 square meter. And then number two is there has been some talk in the industry in China about new government regulations controlling the expansion of AI data center, and right now they need to approve any project seven megawatt or above. And also there is some talk in the industry that China in fact does not want or does not prefer private companies to be building AI data centers, they prefer SOEs to be building AI data centers. And I understand a lot of your power reserve actually has been obtained some years ago already. So I just want to know whether there's any risk that the government actually needs to reopen the book and we approve some of your power? Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:30:16And what is your thought on these market talks right now? Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:30:26Okay. I think the first question is, I think the Q1 mainly driven by the one of our traditional hyperscale customers. I think it is located in which is this at a town school, which very close to Shanghai and Beijing. So this is exactly if if if everybody remember in a during the cloud era, we used to represent 50% of the cloud pops in this major city or around this major city. So we are are very, very lucky at that era. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:31:14So now inference, I think it's we have benefit for that inference demand because I just mentioned. Right? So the increase model is more like a hybrid. Use the GPU plus CPU card. So they will call cooperate together. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:31:33So I think this is one thing, the first question. The other is about the control AI data center. Based on my understanding, mainly I think, you mainly mainly for the SOE investment. So I think the I I should point out our 900 megawatts capacity, already most of them, we already obtained the power energy quota. So this is the world. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:32:11New new guidance, new policy will not impact impact us. Edison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at Jefferies00:32:20Okay. Thank you. Operator00:32:24We are now going to proceed with our next question. Questions come from the line of Dailey Le from Bank of America. Please ask your question. Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:32:37Hi, management. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the solid demand trend. I have two questions. Number one is about the overseas business. Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:32:48Recent, we received like 70 megawatts new orders. And could management give some color about the mix of the clients for China and overseas and or the mix of AI and non AI? And given the AI diffusion policy has been withdrawn by The US, how could you share some color about the client feedback about the future, you know, new orders or the moving progress for the international business? My second question is about the our series insurance in China market. I saw the news we received the first round of feedback from the CSRC and how do we see the progress? Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:33:34Can we expect to update in the second half this year or how is the timeline, please? Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:33:44Yeah. The first question, I think if everybody remember, we used to talk about our client in the for day one. It's in general is mixed. We got we successfully took out the order from international customer and also Chinese customer as well. I think I think we used to talk about our client, our major client from China. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:34:19They are major use the purpose for their deployment is to support their ecommerce and the video business and the social medium business. It's just to use it. It's used it a high performance CPU. So in general, in the last three years, based on our understanding, our total capacity is served 90% for GPU CPU, sorry, CPU, only maybe around 10% used to the purpose for GPU. So this is I think everybody remember the last couple of quarters when we talk about the international market, that's nothing changed. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:35:14For the seaweed offering, we've been through many rounds of review and approval. And the stage what we've now reached is that the listing application is being reviewed by the Chinese securities regulator CSRC and the Shanghai Stock Exchange and this is a public process so the prospectus and some other key documents have been filed and are available for the public to access and we've been asked questions just like US SEC process where applicants are asked to address a number of questions and our responses will also be filed publicly. But typically this this stage of the process takes a few months. We don't take anything for granted but if all goes well we would hope to receive the clearance to be able to proceed with an offering and a listing and then we would have one year in which to make a decision as to when to to launch that. And, you know, ideally, we would be able to do that later this year and complete the complete the process and and lift the CRE before the end of this before the end of this year. Daley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill Lynch00:36:54Thank you. Operator00:36:56We are now going to proceed with our next question. The next questions come from the line of Eunice Liu from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question. Yucen (Eunice) LiuGlobal Investment Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:37:08Good evening, William, Dan and Laura. Thanks for taking my question. I'm asking question on behalf of our analyst, Timothy Zhao. So our question is, first, on GDS China. Could you elaborate more on the pricing outlook for the China business? Yucen (Eunice) LiuGlobal Investment Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs00:37:24And my second question is on day one. So we noticed your EBITDA margin improved through the latest quarter. Could you explain the drivers behind? Thank you. William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:37:40Yeah. I think the the article for the China business, we maintain very confidence in. Oh, okay. The price of it. Right? William HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEO at GDS00:37:50I think the the the current new business price is very stable. And I think the, you know, the in general, I think the the the new business is is, let's say, maintained at very, very stable level right now, whatever from the Beijing market or Shanghai market or central market. Right? So this is our outlook for the future. Daniel NewmanChief Financial Officer at GDS00:38:28You know, the one had had a EBITDA margin in 01/2025 of of 31%. So for a company that actually only started to generate revenue about five quarters ago, that's already quite remarkable. And my understanding is that day one ramp up over the next few years as it delivers its backlog is going be very rapid. As that happens, day one will be able to achieve higher operating leverage on its corporate costs and on its business development costs. And I think within within a few years, you'll see that, EBITDA margin hit hit sort of in industry benchmark levels. Operator00:39:27Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like now turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks. Thank you. Laura ChenHead-Investor Relations at GDS00:39:36Thank you all once again for joining us today, and we'll see you next time. Bye bye. Operator00:39:43This concludes this conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your line. Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesLaura ChenHead-Investor RelationsWilliam HuangFounder, Chairman of the Board & CEODaniel NewmanChief Financial OfficerAnalystsYang LiuExecutive Director at Morgan StanleyXinyi WangEquity Research Analyst - Greater China Telecom & Data Center at UBS GroupFrank LouthanManaging Director at Raymond James FinancialEdison LeeHead - HK/China Tech, Telecom & Software Research at JefferiesDaley LiVice President, Equity Research Analyst - China Software & Semis Sector at Bank of America Merrill LynchYucen (Eunice) LiuGlobal Investment Research Analyst at Goldman SachsPowered by