NASDAQ:PMTS CPI Card Group Q1 2025 Earnings Report $20.32 +0.34 (+1.70%) Closing price 05/27/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$21.32 +1.01 (+4.95%) As of 05/27/2025 06:03 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast CPI Card Group EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.40Consensus EPS $0.56Beat/MissMissed by -$0.16One Year Ago EPSN/ACPI Card Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$122.76 millionExpected Revenue$120.90 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.86 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ACPI Card Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/7/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, May 7, 2025Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsCPI Card Group's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, August 4, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 4:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by CPI Card Group Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the CPI Card Group's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. My name is Karen, and I will be your conference operator today. If you are viewing on the webcast, you may advance the slides forward by pressing the arrow buttons. The call will be open for questions after the company's remarks. Now I would like to turn the call over to Mike Salos, CPI's Head of Investor Relations. Speaker 100:00:42Thanks, operator. Welcome to the CPI Card Group first quarter twenty twenty five earnings webcast and conference call. Today's date is 05/07/2025, and on the call today from CPI Card Group are John Lowe, President and Chief Executive Officer and Jeff Hoxteth, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this call may contain forward looking statements as they are defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:14For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please see CPI Card Group's most recent filings with the SEC. All forward looking statements made today reflect our current expectations only, and we undertake no obligation to update any statement to reflect the events that occur after this call. Also, during the course of today's call, the company will be discussing one or more non GAAP financial measures, including, but not limited to, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, net leverage ratio and free cash flow. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the press release and slide presentation we issued this morning. Copies of today's press release as well as the presentation that accompanies this conference call are accessible on CPI's Investor Relations website, investor.cpicardgroup.com. Speaker 100:01:57In addition, CPI's Form 10 Q for the quarter ended 03/31/2025, will be available on CPI's Investor Relations website. On today's call, all growth rates refer to comparisons with the prior year period unless otherwise noted. The agenda for today's call is on Slide three. John will give a brief overview of business performance and our strategies. Jeff will provide more detail on the financial results and our 2025 outlook, and then we will open the call for questions. Speaker 100:02:23We can start on Slide four, and I'll turn the call over to John. Speaker 200:02:27Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. As you've likely seen from this morning's press releases, in addition to reporting our first quarter results today, we are excited to announce the acquisition of AeroEye Solutions, a leading provider of digitally driven on demand payment card solutions for The U. S. Market. This acquisition fits in nicely with our strategies to gain share and diversify our business, and I'll talk more about this in a few minutes. Speaker 200:02:51First, I'll comment on our first quarter results and 2025 outlook. We are pleased with the first quarter sales performance, led by our debit and credit card portfolio and continued strength from prepaid solutions. Both of our segments increased 10% in the quarter, with debit and credit growth led by strong sales of contactless cards, including eco focused cards and prepaid driven by our higher value packaging solutions and growth in health care payment solutions. As we mentioned last quarter, we expect adjusted EBITDA to decline in the first quarter due to anticipated mix issues and timing of spending. We did experience these mix impacts and some added production costs, which resulted in an 8% decline in adjusted EBITDA compared to last year's first quarter. Speaker 200:03:35Although there is uncertainty in the market regarding The U. S. Economic outlook and there is the potential for additional tariff issues, current demand from our customers remains healthy, and we are affirming our 2025 organic outlook for mid- to high single digit growth for net sales and adjusted EBITDA. For the remainder of 2025, we are focused on driving sales growth while balancing investing for the long term with managing spending to improve margins as the year progresses. Even in this environment, we continue to invest in key strategic projects, including our new Indiana facility, opportunities within the closed loop prepaid market, digital solutions and now the ArrowEye acquisition. Speaker 200:04:16Jeff will provide you more detail on our results and outlook in a few minutes. But first, let me highlight our strategy and how ArrowEye fits in, starting on Slide five. As a reminder, our vision is to be the most trusted partner for innovative payment technology solutions. We aim to support that vision by providing market leading, high quality payment solutions solutions and best in class customer service. One of our strategic pillars focuses on innovation and diversification to expand our addressable markets by offering new solutions to existing customers and existing solutions to new customer verticals. Speaker 200:04:50Adding AeroEye to CPI's portfolio is a perfect example of this, which I will discuss on Slide six. As I mentioned earlier, AeroEye is the leading provider of on demand payment card solutions, featuring a fully integrated end to end digital driven process that facilitates card production, personalization, and fulfillment. AirWise technology driven platform eliminates the need for customers to hold inventory and allows for hyper personalization and rapid turnaround times on new programs. We believe combining ArrowEye solutions with CPI's existing portfolio will allow us to offer even more differentiated and innovative solutions and gain share with both companies' customers. AeroEye has historically supported a segment of the market where we have limited presence, resulting in minimal customer overlap. Speaker 200:05:38We would expect AeroEye's full year revenue to be in the mid-fifty million dollars range, although we will only have a partial year included in our results in 2025. The business currently has low double digit adjusted EBITDA margins, although margins may be on the lower end in 2025 as we navigate combining the companies. Over time, we believe there will be revenue, sourcing and other cost synergies, which will bring margins closer to CPI levels. We will take on AeroEye's production facility in Las Vegas, which was completed in 2022, and provides state of the art on demand capabilities in their approximately 200 employees. Airline is a business we have known in the market for years, and we were very familiar with our on demand capabilities. Speaker 200:06:23As we engaged in the acquisition process, we were even more impressed with their position in the market, capabilities, teams and technology driven production process and facility. We believe this acquisition can generate a great return for CPI and our shareholders. The purchase price to acquire AeroEye is aligned with CPI's recent market multiples. And given our belief in revenue and cost synergy opportunities, we anticipate strong adjusted EBITDA contribution and earnings accretion over time. We see this as a great fit with CPI and look forward to combining these two great organizations. Speaker 200:06:59We will give you more color on Airline next quarter after we have operated the business for a few months. But now I'd like Speaker 300:07:05to turn the call over to Jeff to review our first quarter financial results and full year outlook in more detail. Jeff? Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. I will begin my overview on Slide eight with the first quarter highlights. Net sales increased 10% in the first quarter, led by strong performance from debit and credit cards and continued growth in prepaid. Speaker 300:07:26The first quarter gross margin was impacted by negative sales mix and increased production costs, which resulted in adjusted EBITDA declining 8% in the quarter. We expect similar margin pressures in the second quarter before seeing improvement in the second half of the year despite tariff impacts due to operating leverage and better mix, especially in the fourth quarter. Free cash flow was slightly positive in the first quarter as cash flow generated from operations was primarily utilized for capital spending, including our new Indiana production facility. Turning to the detailed first quarter results on slide nine. The overall 10% sales increase reflected a 10% increase in both our debit and credit and prepaid segments. Speaker 300:08:08Debit and credit growth was led by contactless cards with strong growth from eco focused cards, partially offset by a decline in personalization services. Prepaid growth was driven by continued strong demand for higher priced fraud prevention packaging solutions in our healthcare payment solutions. The gross profit margin decreased from 37.1% in the prior year quarter to 33.2% as operating leverage from sales growth was offset by negative sales mix and increased production costs. Increased production costs reflect some operational inefficiencies, which we expect to diminish over the course of the year as well as incremental costs as we operate two production facilities in Indiana during our transition to the new site. SG and A, including depreciation and amortization, decreased almost $1,000,000 from the prior year as the twenty twenty four first quarter includes the final cost related to the prior CEO retention agreement and other executive severance. Speaker 300:09:09Net income decreased 12% primarily due to lower gross profit and higher interest expense, partially offset by lower operating expenses. Adjusted EBITDA decreased 8% to $21,200,000 while adjusted EBITDA margins declined from 20.5% to 17.2% driven by the lower gross margin. Turning now to our segments on slide 10. I discussed the segment sales drivers earlier, so I will highlight segment profitability on this slide. Income from operations for the debit and credit segment decreased 5% in the first quarter as sales growth was offset by lower gross margins and increased operating expenses. Speaker 300:09:51Debit and credit gross margins increased compared to the fourth quarter, but were impacted by sales mix and increased production costs compared to the prior year first quarter. Prepaid Debit segment income from operations decreased 9% in the quarter as benefits from sales growth were offset by lower gross margins, which were impacted by sales mix, including comparisons with a very strong margin in the first quarter of last year. Turning towards the balance sheet, liquidity and cash flow on slide 11. We generated $5,600,000 of cash from operating activities in the first quarter and invested $5,300,000 in capital expenditures, which resulted in free cash flow of $300,000 This compared to operating cash flow of $8,900,000 and free cash flow of $7,400,000 in the prior year. The decreased generation compared to the prior year was primarily due to an approximately $4,000,000 increase in capital spending, which is supporting the build out of our new Indiana secured card production facility. Speaker 300:10:54Cash flow was also impacted by lower net income excluding non cash items and slightly higher working capital usage, including the impact of higher interest expense payments related to our senior note. On the balance sheet, at quarter end, we had $31,500,000 of cash, no borrowings on our ABL revolver and $285,000,000 of senior notes outstanding. Our net leverage ratio at quarter end was 3.1 times, up slightly from the twenty twenty four year end levels of three times. Our capital structure and allocation priorities remain focused on investing in the business, including acquisitions such as ROI, deleveraging the balance sheet and returning funds to stockholders. Before we move on to our 2025 outlook, we have provided the latest U. Speaker 300:11:43S. Cards in circulation trends from Visa and Mastercard on slide 12. For the three years ending December 31, cards and circulation in The U. S. Increased at 9% CAGR. Speaker 300:11:54Despite market uncertainties on the economic outlook and tariffs, the latest earnings reports from large bank issuers have continued to indicate strong account growth for card businesses, which is consistent with the customer demand we are seeing in the market. A change in the economic environment towards recessionary conditions could affect issuances and customer purchases, but at this point customer demand remains healthy. Turning now to our 2025 outlook on slide 13. We have affirmed our organic net sales and adjusted EBITDA outlook as we continue to expect mid to high single digit growth for both. The outlook does not include any contribution from the ROI acquisition and does not reflect any significant change in economic conditions. Speaker 300:12:39It does include the impact of tariffs that have been put in place as well as cost savings activities we have recently undertaken to counter the pressures from first half mix issues and projected impacts from tariffs. Although our supply chain does not have material exposure to current tariff policies, we do procure some materials from China and Europe and currently project incremental costs of approximately $2,000,000 which is included in our outlook. We are making changes in our sourcing where possible to mitigate these tariff impacts. Semiconductor chips, our largest component in terms of value, are currently exempt from tariffs. Any change to remove the exemption or create a specific tariff for chips would likely impact our outlook. Speaker 300:13:26ROI will add to our expected sales and adjusted EBITDA for the remainder of the year, and we will give more color on these expectations next quarter. Due to expected integration costs and some potential incremental CapEx to accelerate key ROI projects, we are not providing a free cash flow outlook this quarter. We do expect free cash flow to be lower than previously forecast due to these ROI items as well as timing of inventory purchases and tariff impacts on capital expenditures on the CPI business. Similarly, our net leverage ratio will be impacted by the ROI acquisition. Excluding ROI, we would still project the ratio to be below three times at year end, but financing the acquisition with cash and borrowing should temporarily move it above three times this year. Speaker 300:14:15We plan to work the ratio back down in 2026. We expect the impact to earnings per share from ROI to be dilutive in 2025 and slightly dilutive in 2026 due to integration and financing costs before turning accretive in 2027. As noted in our press release, the purchase price for AROI was $45,550,000 which we funded using cash on the balance sheet and borrowings from our 75,000,000 ABL revolving credit facility. We also anticipate being able to utilize around $5,000,000 of ROI net operating loss tax benefits in the coming years. We will provide more insight on ROI's expected impact in future quarters. Speaker 300:14:58I will now pass the call back to John for some closing remarks on slide 14. John? Speaker 200:15:05Thanks, Jeff. To summarize, we delivered good sales growth in the first quarter and are affirming our full year net sales and adjusted EBITDA outlook despite some cost pressures from sales mix and tariffs. Customer demand remains healthy, although there is uncertainty in the market, and we are managing spending in response. We are excited about the ArrowEye acquisition and adding their zero inventory on demand solutions to the CPI portfolio, boosting our strategies to diversify the business and drive long term growth. Operator, we will now open the call up for questions. Operator00:15:39We will now open the call for your questions. The first question comes from Pete Heckmann from D. A. Davidson. Your line is open. Speaker 400:15:58Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Congratulations on the ArrowEye deal. I want to know if you could give us a little bit more color on exactly where they play. Are they a customer of another card production firm? Speaker 400:16:12Or are they doing all of their own card production? And and how would you characterize their customers? I think you said low customer overlap, but would it be the same type of customers, both large issuers, small issuers through third parties and or or would it be different? Speaker 200:16:30Yeah. Pete, good morning. Speaker 400:16:32Good morning. Speaker 200:16:32So just to start, you know, Airline is an entity that we had, you know, seen in the market over a number of years. If you think about, who we compete against in the market broadly, there's a you know, there's larger players. There's smaller players. They service what I would say is a smaller, more nimble card program. So think of, fintechs who might wanna test out different types of card programs and and do it on the fly. Speaker 200:17:07Those are the types of unique solutions that we at CPI don't necessarily have. The larger players don't necessarily have. So in in many cases, there are customers that we have where there's small overlap, where they might wanna do a really small, you know, nimble program, and they'll go to Airline to do that. So in in cases where we're scaling with the customer, that customer may be coming with us. But in the the cases where, that customer wants to do something really nimble that we might not be able to do, they're going to Airline. Speaker 200:17:38And then there's a a large portion of the market, that wants those small nimble programs. Think of, you know, the fintechs that act as program managers, if you will, that service a number of different types of programs. And think of their programs as almost like marketing tools for a number of different unique institutions. And so that's where an Airline comes into play. And they they they have technology that we don't have, and and, ultimately, we believe, they can penetrate the market in ways that we cannot. Speaker 200:18:13And to a certain extent, we can offer their solutions to our customers in ways that we cannot. So it's a good complementary solution, and, we believe it'll generate a strong return for, not only CPI but our shareholders as well. Speaker 400:18:26Okay. That's great to hear. And then in terms of the EBITDA margins at ROI, I didn't hear. Did you give maybe a time horizon for your expectation of margins moving towards the CPI average? Speaker 200:18:41You know, I think the way we described it is, you know, they have kind of low double digit adjusted EBITDA margins right now. Obviously, in 2025, there's a bit of, you know, integration that we need to do, so margins may be impacted this year from that. That said, we do believe we can bring their margins closer to CPI margins. We didn't give a a time frame. But, Jeff, you wanna comment on the accretion and Speaker 300:19:08Yeah. No. It's it's gonna take take a little bit of time. I mean, one of the things we're excited about is, you know, they're a smaller smaller company. We bring, you know, our purchasing power power is much greater, so we're gonna be able to bring a lot of cost of good, synergies over time. Speaker 300:19:24You know, it's gonna take some time, but we we do feel like over the over the longer period, we're gonna be able to get the margin near where where we are with with with CPI. Speaker 400:19:35Okay. Great. That's helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Speaker 300:19:38Thanks, Pete. Operator00:19:42The next question comes from Jacob Stephane from Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 500:19:50Hey guys, good morning. Congrats on the acquisition as well. Maybe just to start off, housekeeping item, you could help us understand kind of the the balance sheet moves here with the acquisition. You know, what what'd you draw on the revolver versus cash on the balance sheet? Speaker 300:20:07Yeah. We we ended the quarter with about, a little over 30,000,000 of cash. We we drew about 35,000,000 from our revolver. So, after this acquisition, we'll still have, you know, some some cash on hand for sure, but, that's really how how we finance it. Speaker 500:20:27Okay. Perfect. And then maybe you could just help me understand kind of the the broader portfolio application here. You know, it it sounds like this is more on the the prepaid debit side. Do you see an opportunity with kind of retailers here with ROI and talking about those, you know, smaller run programs? Speaker 200:20:49Yeah. I mean, I I think that's a good point. I mean, whether in their prepaid debit space, whether retailer wanting to try out, different types of branding, for your customers, whether you're a a fintech working with a number of programs that you wanna test out, with with maybe a younger generation. There there's a number of applications that that ArrowEye fits into. So, again, I'd say their solution is the way I describe it is just unique to what we have and, much more nimble. Speaker 200:21:21You know, they refer to it as as hyper personalization. So, they can move on the fly, and, it definitely opens up an area of the market that we don't necessarily service today. Operator00:21:47The next question comes from Craig Irwin from ROTH Capital Partners. Your line is open. Speaker 600:21:54Good morning and thank you. A number of your shareholders have pinged us this morning asking about pricing. Is there anything you can share with us about the pricing environment right now? And is there anything competitive going on? Or do you maybe have mix issues also impacting gross margins? Speaker 600:22:17I know there's been some success with large issuers in the last couple of quarters. Didn't notice the hiring in Colorado. You know, can you maybe just unpack this for us as far as, the pricing environment and what we should, should think about going forward? Speaker 200:22:34Yeah. Good morning, Craig. Well, let me comment on that and then ask Jeff too as well. You know, the the market in general is I mean, it's always a competitive market. But I would say, pricing is always based upon the value proposition of what you're what you're selling into that market. Speaker 200:22:52The the overall think of the inventory rebalancing that that had been going on, that we're probably in the tail of. So I'd say we're back more in the normal course somewhat. And just from a volume perspective, we've grown multiple quarters and a row. So we're we're seeing positive events in the market that I would say creating more rational pricing environment. But, Jeff, you wanna speak to the the quarter and how it sits? Speaker 200:23:18Yeah. Speaker 300:23:19I I can give you a little bit more color on the on the gross margin. Craig, you you're right. You mentioned, sales mix that, you know, from time to time, we see different, you know, products going through, and some of them have higher margins, some of them have a little bit lower margins. This was a with this was a quarter with a little bit lower margin, for the sales mix. We we had a little bit higher production cost in the quarter than we normally than we normally see. Speaker 300:23:44So we're working on efficiency programs there that will get those production costs, down over the rest of the year. Also, we have, you know, a little bit of, incremental costs just as we're getting our new facility in in Indiana up and running. So that also happened a little bit in q one. We'll see that a little bit more in the next, couple quarters as as the new facility comes online. So when we look at the rest of the year in terms of our gross margin, we do think you know, the q two, I think the the gross margin's gonna be pretty similar. Speaker 300:24:15But in the second half of the year, we do see, a little bit better sales mix, coming. We like we said, we I I think, the production cost will will be driving some efficiency there. So I think that will improve. That will be offset a little bit by, you know, continued Indiana costs with the new facility. And, also, we mentioned the tariff impact of a couple million dollars. Speaker 300:24:39So, ultimately, on the gross margin line, we we see it improving from where it was in q two, but probably, lower than what we saw, last year in 2024. And and that's one of the reasons why we we we did some cost actions on the s g and a line to kinda offset that a little bit. We talked about reducing headcount, so we did that recently. That will bring our cost structure down. We're, you know, we're we're tightening the belt a little bit on our discretionary spend. Speaker 300:25:06We're still trying to invest in the areas that we we wanna invest in, but but trying to limit, you know, hiring in certain places and discretionary spend where we can. So kinda trying to offset some of the margin gross margin decline that we see this year year over year, with some SG and A improvements. Speaker 600:25:25Excellent. That actually dovetails nicely to, my second question, which is start up costs for Indiana. So it it did appear like you were hiring, quite significantly for the facility or at least, you know, advertising for positions this last quarter. And I wanted to ask if you have actually been bringing people online and training them for a rapid start as you look to serve new customers. Can can you maybe just clarify this for us? Speaker 600:25:54And and, you know, anything quantitative that you can give us as far as, you know, employee costs or other frictional costs for the start up of this facility and and how these are likely to taper? And can you also just confirm that, you know, just a couple weeks away, we were talking about June, and it's, you know, that's really less than a month from now. So, the benefits should, should start to kick in fairly, fairly soon. Thank you. Speaker 200:26:21Hey, Greg. So you're you're right, and and Jeff mentioned it a little bit. As we transition from one location to another, there is overlap in cost. There's overlap in hiring, if you will. We are hiring more people to service, in a sense, the transition. Speaker 200:26:41And and you see that in q one. You'll continue to see that throughout the year. Jeff can probably speak to more of the quantitative side of it, but it's definitely something that we knew would impact us this year. That's part of the reason when we gave our original guidance, which we affirmed today, know, revenue growth and and adjusted EBITDA growth are are roughly the same. The some of the investments that we're making, this being one of them, you know, kind of eat into our our spending. Speaker 200:27:09But, ultimately, when you go to 2026 and beyond, we believe these will be, accretive and, strong returning investments that we're making. Speaker 300:27:21Yeah. Yeah, Craig. And we didn't we didn't give exact numbers for the the transition for Indiana. But as John said, we'll we'll be running both facilities for a period of time just so we don't we don't lose a step with our customers. So that that will go through the end of the year. Speaker 300:27:40Once once the once the new facility goes online, we'll still be running both facilities for for a period of time, probably through the end of the year. But nothing specific on those costs. But like like I said, we're we're we're taking some cost actions, in other parts of the business, And, you know, we still feel good with our outlook of, mid to high single digits for for both revenue and and adjusted EBITDA. Operator00:28:12As there are no further questions in the queue, I would now like to turn the call back over to John Lowe for closing remarks. Speaker 200:28:20Thanks, operator. Well, I want to, again, acknowledge and thank all of our CPI employees for everything they do for our company and our customers as they execute on our vision, values, and strategies every day and continue to drive our business forward. Also, I'd like to welcome the ROI team to the CPI family. We're excited to have you all on board. Thank you all for joining, and we hope you have a great day. Operator00:28:46Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Net sales rose 10% in Q1 across both the debit and credit and prepaid segments, while adjusted EBITDA fell 8% due to negative sales mix and higher production costs. The company reaffirmed its 2025 organic outlook of mid- to high-single-digit growth for net sales and adjusted EBITDA, incorporating approximately $2 million of incremental tariff costs and expecting margin improvement in the second half. CPI agreed to acquire AeroEye Solutions for $45.6 million, adding on-demand, hyper-personalized card production capabilities with expected full-year revenue of ~$50 million and long-term cost and sourcing synergies to enhance margins. Q1 capital expenditures were $5.3 million for the new Indiana production facility, resulting in slightly positive free cash flow of $0.3 million and a net leverage ratio of 3.1×, with the AeroEye acquisition funded by a revolver draw and existing cash. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCPI Card Group Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) CPI Card Group Earnings HeadlinesCPI Card Group Inc. (NASDAQ:PMTS) Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptMay 13, 2025 | msn.comCPI Card Group Inc. (PMTS) Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptMay 11, 2025 | seekingalpha.comJuly 2025 Rule Change to Impact Retirement InvestorsThere's a massive change from a new rule going into effect this July. And it's one the Big Banks are already using to their advantage… It allows them to treat this new asset like actual cash.May 28, 2025 | Premier Gold Co (Ad)5PMTS : P/E Ratio Insights for CPI CardMay 9, 2025 | benzinga.comCPI Card Group buys Arroweye Solutions for $45.55MMay 7, 2025 | msn.comCPI Card Group Inc. Reports First Quarter 2025 ResultsMay 7, 2025 | finance.yahoo.comSee More CPI Card Group Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like CPI Card Group? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on CPI Card Group and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About CPI Card GroupCPI Card Group (NASDAQ:PMTS), together with its subsidiaries, engages in the design, production, data personalization, packaging, and fulfillment of financial payment cards. It operates through Debit and Credit, and Prepaid Debit segments. The Debit and Credit segment produces financial payment cards and provides integrated card services to card-issuing financial institutions. Its products include Europay, Mastercard, and Visa (EMV) and non-EMV financial payment cards, including contact and contactless cards, plastic and encased metal cards, and Second Wave payment cards, as well as private label credit cards. This segment also provides on-demand services and various integrated card services, including card personalization and fulfillment, as well as instant issuance services. The Prepaid Debit segment primarily offers integrated card services comprising tamper-evident security packaging services to prepaid debit card providers. It also produces financial payment cards issued on the networks of the payment card brands. It serves issuers of debit and credit cards, Prepaid Debit Card program managers, community banks, credit unions, and group service providers in the United States. The company was formerly known as CPI Holdings I, Inc. and changed its name to CPI Card Group Inc. in August 2015. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Welcome to the CPI Card Group's First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. My name is Karen, and I will be your conference operator today. If you are viewing on the webcast, you may advance the slides forward by pressing the arrow buttons. The call will be open for questions after the company's remarks. Now I would like to turn the call over to Mike Salos, CPI's Head of Investor Relations. Speaker 100:00:42Thanks, operator. Welcome to the CPI Card Group first quarter twenty twenty five earnings webcast and conference call. Today's date is 05/07/2025, and on the call today from CPI Card Group are John Lowe, President and Chief Executive Officer and Jeff Hoxteth, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this call may contain forward looking statements as they are defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward looking statements. Speaker 100:01:14For a discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please see CPI Card Group's most recent filings with the SEC. All forward looking statements made today reflect our current expectations only, and we undertake no obligation to update any statement to reflect the events that occur after this call. Also, during the course of today's call, the company will be discussing one or more non GAAP financial measures, including, but not limited to, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, net leverage ratio and free cash flow. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the press release and slide presentation we issued this morning. Copies of today's press release as well as the presentation that accompanies this conference call are accessible on CPI's Investor Relations website, investor.cpicardgroup.com. Speaker 100:01:57In addition, CPI's Form 10 Q for the quarter ended 03/31/2025, will be available on CPI's Investor Relations website. On today's call, all growth rates refer to comparisons with the prior year period unless otherwise noted. The agenda for today's call is on Slide three. John will give a brief overview of business performance and our strategies. Jeff will provide more detail on the financial results and our 2025 outlook, and then we will open the call for questions. Speaker 100:02:23We can start on Slide four, and I'll turn the call over to John. Speaker 200:02:27Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. As you've likely seen from this morning's press releases, in addition to reporting our first quarter results today, we are excited to announce the acquisition of AeroEye Solutions, a leading provider of digitally driven on demand payment card solutions for The U. S. Market. This acquisition fits in nicely with our strategies to gain share and diversify our business, and I'll talk more about this in a few minutes. Speaker 200:02:51First, I'll comment on our first quarter results and 2025 outlook. We are pleased with the first quarter sales performance, led by our debit and credit card portfolio and continued strength from prepaid solutions. Both of our segments increased 10% in the quarter, with debit and credit growth led by strong sales of contactless cards, including eco focused cards and prepaid driven by our higher value packaging solutions and growth in health care payment solutions. As we mentioned last quarter, we expect adjusted EBITDA to decline in the first quarter due to anticipated mix issues and timing of spending. We did experience these mix impacts and some added production costs, which resulted in an 8% decline in adjusted EBITDA compared to last year's first quarter. Speaker 200:03:35Although there is uncertainty in the market regarding The U. S. Economic outlook and there is the potential for additional tariff issues, current demand from our customers remains healthy, and we are affirming our 2025 organic outlook for mid- to high single digit growth for net sales and adjusted EBITDA. For the remainder of 2025, we are focused on driving sales growth while balancing investing for the long term with managing spending to improve margins as the year progresses. Even in this environment, we continue to invest in key strategic projects, including our new Indiana facility, opportunities within the closed loop prepaid market, digital solutions and now the ArrowEye acquisition. Speaker 200:04:16Jeff will provide you more detail on our results and outlook in a few minutes. But first, let me highlight our strategy and how ArrowEye fits in, starting on Slide five. As a reminder, our vision is to be the most trusted partner for innovative payment technology solutions. We aim to support that vision by providing market leading, high quality payment solutions solutions and best in class customer service. One of our strategic pillars focuses on innovation and diversification to expand our addressable markets by offering new solutions to existing customers and existing solutions to new customer verticals. Speaker 200:04:50Adding AeroEye to CPI's portfolio is a perfect example of this, which I will discuss on Slide six. As I mentioned earlier, AeroEye is the leading provider of on demand payment card solutions, featuring a fully integrated end to end digital driven process that facilitates card production, personalization, and fulfillment. AirWise technology driven platform eliminates the need for customers to hold inventory and allows for hyper personalization and rapid turnaround times on new programs. We believe combining ArrowEye solutions with CPI's existing portfolio will allow us to offer even more differentiated and innovative solutions and gain share with both companies' customers. AeroEye has historically supported a segment of the market where we have limited presence, resulting in minimal customer overlap. Speaker 200:05:38We would expect AeroEye's full year revenue to be in the mid-fifty million dollars range, although we will only have a partial year included in our results in 2025. The business currently has low double digit adjusted EBITDA margins, although margins may be on the lower end in 2025 as we navigate combining the companies. Over time, we believe there will be revenue, sourcing and other cost synergies, which will bring margins closer to CPI levels. We will take on AeroEye's production facility in Las Vegas, which was completed in 2022, and provides state of the art on demand capabilities in their approximately 200 employees. Airline is a business we have known in the market for years, and we were very familiar with our on demand capabilities. Speaker 200:06:23As we engaged in the acquisition process, we were even more impressed with their position in the market, capabilities, teams and technology driven production process and facility. We believe this acquisition can generate a great return for CPI and our shareholders. The purchase price to acquire AeroEye is aligned with CPI's recent market multiples. And given our belief in revenue and cost synergy opportunities, we anticipate strong adjusted EBITDA contribution and earnings accretion over time. We see this as a great fit with CPI and look forward to combining these two great organizations. Speaker 200:06:59We will give you more color on Airline next quarter after we have operated the business for a few months. But now I'd like Speaker 300:07:05to turn the call over to Jeff to review our first quarter financial results and full year outlook in more detail. Jeff? Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. I will begin my overview on Slide eight with the first quarter highlights. Net sales increased 10% in the first quarter, led by strong performance from debit and credit cards and continued growth in prepaid. Speaker 300:07:26The first quarter gross margin was impacted by negative sales mix and increased production costs, which resulted in adjusted EBITDA declining 8% in the quarter. We expect similar margin pressures in the second quarter before seeing improvement in the second half of the year despite tariff impacts due to operating leverage and better mix, especially in the fourth quarter. Free cash flow was slightly positive in the first quarter as cash flow generated from operations was primarily utilized for capital spending, including our new Indiana production facility. Turning to the detailed first quarter results on slide nine. The overall 10% sales increase reflected a 10% increase in both our debit and credit and prepaid segments. Speaker 300:08:08Debit and credit growth was led by contactless cards with strong growth from eco focused cards, partially offset by a decline in personalization services. Prepaid growth was driven by continued strong demand for higher priced fraud prevention packaging solutions in our healthcare payment solutions. The gross profit margin decreased from 37.1% in the prior year quarter to 33.2% as operating leverage from sales growth was offset by negative sales mix and increased production costs. Increased production costs reflect some operational inefficiencies, which we expect to diminish over the course of the year as well as incremental costs as we operate two production facilities in Indiana during our transition to the new site. SG and A, including depreciation and amortization, decreased almost $1,000,000 from the prior year as the twenty twenty four first quarter includes the final cost related to the prior CEO retention agreement and other executive severance. Speaker 300:09:09Net income decreased 12% primarily due to lower gross profit and higher interest expense, partially offset by lower operating expenses. Adjusted EBITDA decreased 8% to $21,200,000 while adjusted EBITDA margins declined from 20.5% to 17.2% driven by the lower gross margin. Turning now to our segments on slide 10. I discussed the segment sales drivers earlier, so I will highlight segment profitability on this slide. Income from operations for the debit and credit segment decreased 5% in the first quarter as sales growth was offset by lower gross margins and increased operating expenses. Speaker 300:09:51Debit and credit gross margins increased compared to the fourth quarter, but were impacted by sales mix and increased production costs compared to the prior year first quarter. Prepaid Debit segment income from operations decreased 9% in the quarter as benefits from sales growth were offset by lower gross margins, which were impacted by sales mix, including comparisons with a very strong margin in the first quarter of last year. Turning towards the balance sheet, liquidity and cash flow on slide 11. We generated $5,600,000 of cash from operating activities in the first quarter and invested $5,300,000 in capital expenditures, which resulted in free cash flow of $300,000 This compared to operating cash flow of $8,900,000 and free cash flow of $7,400,000 in the prior year. The decreased generation compared to the prior year was primarily due to an approximately $4,000,000 increase in capital spending, which is supporting the build out of our new Indiana secured card production facility. Speaker 300:10:54Cash flow was also impacted by lower net income excluding non cash items and slightly higher working capital usage, including the impact of higher interest expense payments related to our senior note. On the balance sheet, at quarter end, we had $31,500,000 of cash, no borrowings on our ABL revolver and $285,000,000 of senior notes outstanding. Our net leverage ratio at quarter end was 3.1 times, up slightly from the twenty twenty four year end levels of three times. Our capital structure and allocation priorities remain focused on investing in the business, including acquisitions such as ROI, deleveraging the balance sheet and returning funds to stockholders. Before we move on to our 2025 outlook, we have provided the latest U. Speaker 300:11:43S. Cards in circulation trends from Visa and Mastercard on slide 12. For the three years ending December 31, cards and circulation in The U. S. Increased at 9% CAGR. Speaker 300:11:54Despite market uncertainties on the economic outlook and tariffs, the latest earnings reports from large bank issuers have continued to indicate strong account growth for card businesses, which is consistent with the customer demand we are seeing in the market. A change in the economic environment towards recessionary conditions could affect issuances and customer purchases, but at this point customer demand remains healthy. Turning now to our 2025 outlook on slide 13. We have affirmed our organic net sales and adjusted EBITDA outlook as we continue to expect mid to high single digit growth for both. The outlook does not include any contribution from the ROI acquisition and does not reflect any significant change in economic conditions. Speaker 300:12:39It does include the impact of tariffs that have been put in place as well as cost savings activities we have recently undertaken to counter the pressures from first half mix issues and projected impacts from tariffs. Although our supply chain does not have material exposure to current tariff policies, we do procure some materials from China and Europe and currently project incremental costs of approximately $2,000,000 which is included in our outlook. We are making changes in our sourcing where possible to mitigate these tariff impacts. Semiconductor chips, our largest component in terms of value, are currently exempt from tariffs. Any change to remove the exemption or create a specific tariff for chips would likely impact our outlook. Speaker 300:13:26ROI will add to our expected sales and adjusted EBITDA for the remainder of the year, and we will give more color on these expectations next quarter. Due to expected integration costs and some potential incremental CapEx to accelerate key ROI projects, we are not providing a free cash flow outlook this quarter. We do expect free cash flow to be lower than previously forecast due to these ROI items as well as timing of inventory purchases and tariff impacts on capital expenditures on the CPI business. Similarly, our net leverage ratio will be impacted by the ROI acquisition. Excluding ROI, we would still project the ratio to be below three times at year end, but financing the acquisition with cash and borrowing should temporarily move it above three times this year. Speaker 300:14:15We plan to work the ratio back down in 2026. We expect the impact to earnings per share from ROI to be dilutive in 2025 and slightly dilutive in 2026 due to integration and financing costs before turning accretive in 2027. As noted in our press release, the purchase price for AROI was $45,550,000 which we funded using cash on the balance sheet and borrowings from our 75,000,000 ABL revolving credit facility. We also anticipate being able to utilize around $5,000,000 of ROI net operating loss tax benefits in the coming years. We will provide more insight on ROI's expected impact in future quarters. Speaker 300:14:58I will now pass the call back to John for some closing remarks on slide 14. John? Speaker 200:15:05Thanks, Jeff. To summarize, we delivered good sales growth in the first quarter and are affirming our full year net sales and adjusted EBITDA outlook despite some cost pressures from sales mix and tariffs. Customer demand remains healthy, although there is uncertainty in the market, and we are managing spending in response. We are excited about the ArrowEye acquisition and adding their zero inventory on demand solutions to the CPI portfolio, boosting our strategies to diversify the business and drive long term growth. Operator, we will now open the call up for questions. Operator00:15:39We will now open the call for your questions. The first question comes from Pete Heckmann from D. A. Davidson. Your line is open. Speaker 400:15:58Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Congratulations on the ArrowEye deal. I want to know if you could give us a little bit more color on exactly where they play. Are they a customer of another card production firm? Speaker 400:16:12Or are they doing all of their own card production? And and how would you characterize their customers? I think you said low customer overlap, but would it be the same type of customers, both large issuers, small issuers through third parties and or or would it be different? Speaker 200:16:30Yeah. Pete, good morning. Speaker 400:16:32Good morning. Speaker 200:16:32So just to start, you know, Airline is an entity that we had, you know, seen in the market over a number of years. If you think about, who we compete against in the market broadly, there's a you know, there's larger players. There's smaller players. They service what I would say is a smaller, more nimble card program. So think of, fintechs who might wanna test out different types of card programs and and do it on the fly. Speaker 200:17:07Those are the types of unique solutions that we at CPI don't necessarily have. The larger players don't necessarily have. So in in many cases, there are customers that we have where there's small overlap, where they might wanna do a really small, you know, nimble program, and they'll go to Airline to do that. So in in cases where we're scaling with the customer, that customer may be coming with us. But in the the cases where, that customer wants to do something really nimble that we might not be able to do, they're going to Airline. Speaker 200:17:38And then there's a a large portion of the market, that wants those small nimble programs. Think of, you know, the fintechs that act as program managers, if you will, that service a number of different types of programs. And think of their programs as almost like marketing tools for a number of different unique institutions. And so that's where an Airline comes into play. And they they they have technology that we don't have, and and, ultimately, we believe, they can penetrate the market in ways that we cannot. Speaker 200:18:13And to a certain extent, we can offer their solutions to our customers in ways that we cannot. So it's a good complementary solution, and, we believe it'll generate a strong return for, not only CPI but our shareholders as well. Speaker 400:18:26Okay. That's great to hear. And then in terms of the EBITDA margins at ROI, I didn't hear. Did you give maybe a time horizon for your expectation of margins moving towards the CPI average? Speaker 200:18:41You know, I think the way we described it is, you know, they have kind of low double digit adjusted EBITDA margins right now. Obviously, in 2025, there's a bit of, you know, integration that we need to do, so margins may be impacted this year from that. That said, we do believe we can bring their margins closer to CPI margins. We didn't give a a time frame. But, Jeff, you wanna comment on the accretion and Speaker 300:19:08Yeah. No. It's it's gonna take take a little bit of time. I mean, one of the things we're excited about is, you know, they're a smaller smaller company. We bring, you know, our purchasing power power is much greater, so we're gonna be able to bring a lot of cost of good, synergies over time. Speaker 300:19:24You know, it's gonna take some time, but we we do feel like over the over the longer period, we're gonna be able to get the margin near where where we are with with with CPI. Speaker 400:19:35Okay. Great. That's helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Speaker 300:19:38Thanks, Pete. Operator00:19:42The next question comes from Jacob Stephane from Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 500:19:50Hey guys, good morning. Congrats on the acquisition as well. Maybe just to start off, housekeeping item, you could help us understand kind of the the balance sheet moves here with the acquisition. You know, what what'd you draw on the revolver versus cash on the balance sheet? Speaker 300:20:07Yeah. We we ended the quarter with about, a little over 30,000,000 of cash. We we drew about 35,000,000 from our revolver. So, after this acquisition, we'll still have, you know, some some cash on hand for sure, but, that's really how how we finance it. Speaker 500:20:27Okay. Perfect. And then maybe you could just help me understand kind of the the broader portfolio application here. You know, it it sounds like this is more on the the prepaid debit side. Do you see an opportunity with kind of retailers here with ROI and talking about those, you know, smaller run programs? Speaker 200:20:49Yeah. I mean, I I think that's a good point. I mean, whether in their prepaid debit space, whether retailer wanting to try out, different types of branding, for your customers, whether you're a a fintech working with a number of programs that you wanna test out, with with maybe a younger generation. There there's a number of applications that that ArrowEye fits into. So, again, I'd say their solution is the way I describe it is just unique to what we have and, much more nimble. Speaker 200:21:21You know, they refer to it as as hyper personalization. So, they can move on the fly, and, it definitely opens up an area of the market that we don't necessarily service today. Operator00:21:47The next question comes from Craig Irwin from ROTH Capital Partners. Your line is open. Speaker 600:21:54Good morning and thank you. A number of your shareholders have pinged us this morning asking about pricing. Is there anything you can share with us about the pricing environment right now? And is there anything competitive going on? Or do you maybe have mix issues also impacting gross margins? Speaker 600:22:17I know there's been some success with large issuers in the last couple of quarters. Didn't notice the hiring in Colorado. You know, can you maybe just unpack this for us as far as, the pricing environment and what we should, should think about going forward? Speaker 200:22:34Yeah. Good morning, Craig. Well, let me comment on that and then ask Jeff too as well. You know, the the market in general is I mean, it's always a competitive market. But I would say, pricing is always based upon the value proposition of what you're what you're selling into that market. Speaker 200:22:52The the overall think of the inventory rebalancing that that had been going on, that we're probably in the tail of. So I'd say we're back more in the normal course somewhat. And just from a volume perspective, we've grown multiple quarters and a row. So we're we're seeing positive events in the market that I would say creating more rational pricing environment. But, Jeff, you wanna speak to the the quarter and how it sits? Speaker 200:23:18Yeah. Speaker 300:23:19I I can give you a little bit more color on the on the gross margin. Craig, you you're right. You mentioned, sales mix that, you know, from time to time, we see different, you know, products going through, and some of them have higher margins, some of them have a little bit lower margins. This was a with this was a quarter with a little bit lower margin, for the sales mix. We we had a little bit higher production cost in the quarter than we normally than we normally see. Speaker 300:23:44So we're working on efficiency programs there that will get those production costs, down over the rest of the year. Also, we have, you know, a little bit of, incremental costs just as we're getting our new facility in in Indiana up and running. So that also happened a little bit in q one. We'll see that a little bit more in the next, couple quarters as as the new facility comes online. So when we look at the rest of the year in terms of our gross margin, we do think you know, the q two, I think the the gross margin's gonna be pretty similar. Speaker 300:24:15But in the second half of the year, we do see, a little bit better sales mix, coming. We like we said, we I I think, the production cost will will be driving some efficiency there. So I think that will improve. That will be offset a little bit by, you know, continued Indiana costs with the new facility. And, also, we mentioned the tariff impact of a couple million dollars. Speaker 300:24:39So, ultimately, on the gross margin line, we we see it improving from where it was in q two, but probably, lower than what we saw, last year in 2024. And and that's one of the reasons why we we we did some cost actions on the s g and a line to kinda offset that a little bit. We talked about reducing headcount, so we did that recently. That will bring our cost structure down. We're, you know, we're we're tightening the belt a little bit on our discretionary spend. Speaker 300:25:06We're still trying to invest in the areas that we we wanna invest in, but but trying to limit, you know, hiring in certain places and discretionary spend where we can. So kinda trying to offset some of the margin gross margin decline that we see this year year over year, with some SG and A improvements. Speaker 600:25:25Excellent. That actually dovetails nicely to, my second question, which is start up costs for Indiana. So it it did appear like you were hiring, quite significantly for the facility or at least, you know, advertising for positions this last quarter. And I wanted to ask if you have actually been bringing people online and training them for a rapid start as you look to serve new customers. Can can you maybe just clarify this for us? Speaker 600:25:54And and, you know, anything quantitative that you can give us as far as, you know, employee costs or other frictional costs for the start up of this facility and and how these are likely to taper? And can you also just confirm that, you know, just a couple weeks away, we were talking about June, and it's, you know, that's really less than a month from now. So, the benefits should, should start to kick in fairly, fairly soon. Thank you. Speaker 200:26:21Hey, Greg. So you're you're right, and and Jeff mentioned it a little bit. As we transition from one location to another, there is overlap in cost. There's overlap in hiring, if you will. We are hiring more people to service, in a sense, the transition. Speaker 200:26:41And and you see that in q one. You'll continue to see that throughout the year. Jeff can probably speak to more of the quantitative side of it, but it's definitely something that we knew would impact us this year. That's part of the reason when we gave our original guidance, which we affirmed today, know, revenue growth and and adjusted EBITDA growth are are roughly the same. The some of the investments that we're making, this being one of them, you know, kind of eat into our our spending. Speaker 200:27:09But, ultimately, when you go to 2026 and beyond, we believe these will be, accretive and, strong returning investments that we're making. Speaker 300:27:21Yeah. Yeah, Craig. And we didn't we didn't give exact numbers for the the transition for Indiana. But as John said, we'll we'll be running both facilities for a period of time just so we don't we don't lose a step with our customers. So that that will go through the end of the year. Speaker 300:27:40Once once the once the new facility goes online, we'll still be running both facilities for for a period of time, probably through the end of the year. But nothing specific on those costs. But like like I said, we're we're we're taking some cost actions, in other parts of the business, And, you know, we still feel good with our outlook of, mid to high single digits for for both revenue and and adjusted EBITDA. Operator00:28:12As there are no further questions in the queue, I would now like to turn the call back over to John Lowe for closing remarks. Speaker 200:28:20Thanks, operator. Well, I want to, again, acknowledge and thank all of our CPI employees for everything they do for our company and our customers as they execute on our vision, values, and strategies every day and continue to drive our business forward. Also, I'd like to welcome the ROI team to the CPI family. We're excited to have you all on board. Thank you all for joining, and we hope you have a great day. Operator00:28:46Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect.Read morePowered by