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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast MaxCyte EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.10Consensus EPS -$0.10Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AMaxCyte Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$10.39 millionExpected Revenue$9.05 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$1.34 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMaxCyte Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/7/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, May 7, 2025Conference Call Time4:30PM ETUpcoming EarningsMaxCyte's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, August 5, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by MaxCyte Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 7, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the MaxSite First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, please press 11 on your telephone. Operator00:00:20You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Eric Abdal, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:40Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for participating in today's conference call. Joining me on the call from MaxSite, have Maher Masud, President and Chief Executive Officer and Doug Sworski, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, MaxSite released financial results for the first quarter ended 03/31/2025. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Speaker 100:01:03Before we begin, I need to read the following statement. Statements or comments made during this call may be forward looking statements within the meaning of federal security laws. Any statements contained in this call that relate to expectations or predictions of future events, results or performance are forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward looking statements due to a variety of factors, which are discussed in detail in our SEC filings. Except as required by applicable law, the company has no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. Speaker 100:01:42And with that, I will turn the call over to Maher. Speaker 200:01:46Thank you, Eric. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining MagSafe's first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Before discussing our business performance, I would like to take a little time to discuss the current environment. It's obvious the macro backdrop has become more dynamic since the start of the year, with headlines emerging that have an effect on our industry and the life sciences space as a whole. As stated in our release, we had a strong first quarter and remain confident in our operational focus and underlying business. Speaker 200:02:12However, we are aware of and adapting to macro uncertainties that could affect our business. As to the new tariff policies, as it stands today, we see limited impact on our gross margins and U. S. Revenue. All of our manufacturing is in The U. Speaker 200:02:24S. And more than two thirds of our revenue is from The U. S. We could potentially have greater exposure in Europe and Asia in the event of tariff retaliation, but we have mitigated tariff impacts in 2025 by leveraging our global distribution network where appropriate. It is the management team's job to navigate through this more challenging environment, and we remain focused on executing our growth plan for 2025 from beyond. Speaker 200:02:48Jumping into the first quarter, Maxar reported $10,400,000 in total revenue, which included strong core revenue of $8,200,000 and SPL program revenue of $2,100,000 We were pleased with the business performance to start the year, which was in line with our expectations. The quarter was highlighted by continued demand for our expert platform, strong execution from our sales team, and successful progress integrating SecurDX. We have begun 2025 as a more agile and focused company than ever before, which has allowed us to adapt to the dynamic macro backdrop so far this year. Throughout 2024, we conducted a bottom up review of MaxSite to optimize new product development, manufacturing, commercial execution, and capital allocation initiatives. The streamlining of the business resulted in some workforce changes, including a reduction in inefficiencies and the addition of key personnel. Speaker 200:03:38These changes across Mac site have improved accountability and better aligned resources with the company's long term goals. We have reduced our operating expenses and cash burn, while we also increased our product offerings, best positioning the company to achieve profitability with our existing balance sheet. As stated earlier, the operating environment for our customers continues to be challenged, particularly as the macro environment has become increasingly dynamic since the beginning of the year. Customers have become more hesitant in capital equipment purchasing decisions over the last few months, with a few customers reallocating R and D spend to prioritize certain programs over others. That said, we still expect to execute against the pipeline of instrument opportunities in our plan this year. Speaker 200:04:18Our team has adapted well to the evolving environment so far this year, and we are confident that our operational focus and highly differentiated offerings will allow us to deliver against our 2025 guidance, which we have reaffirmed today. To summarize the core business results in the first quarter, the instrument installed base grew to seven eighty seven as of March 31, with instrument revenue of $1,400,000 License revenue was stable quarter over quarter and year over year at $2,500,000 demonstrating strength from SPLs as they progress through the clinic. And we were pleased with the continuation of strong PA demand, as PA revenue grew 13% year over year, driven by activity from early stage and clinical customers. Lastly, have seen solid initial traction with SecureDx in the first two months we have owned the company, and remain on track to deliver at least $2,000,000 in SecureDx revenue for the year. Stepping back, despite a difficult market environment over the near term, we remain very optimistic about the cell and gene therapy market and associated trends that MaxSysperf platform helps to address. Speaker 200:05:20Non viral cell therapy continues to move towards engineering approaches that involve more complex therapies across an expanding variety of cell and disease types. Additionally, cell and gene therapy developers and regulators are placing an increasing emphasis on safety. Backside's solution, including SecureDx, is incredibly well positioned to support these trends. As discussed on the last quarter's call, the SecureDx services platform provides developers with safety assessment of their therapy earlier in the discovery process through on and off target gene editing assessments, which provides a range of benefits for programs. With the addition of SecureDx to MaxSite, we can now provide ex vivo and in vivo solutions to both cell therapy and gene therapy customers. Speaker 200:05:59The integration of SecureDx is going very smoothly. Customers have been receptive and interested in the SecureDx offerings. We are seeing strong synergies in leveraging our sales and marketing teams, and we have added tremendous talent and expertise in drug safety assessment with the SecureDx team. Over time, we believe that gene editing assessments will continue to become increasingly important and eventually essential to cell and gene therapy development programs and their safety profiles. Turning to our SPLs. Speaker 200:06:28We continue to support our existing clients as they progress their programs through the clinic and strengthen our expanding portfolio. In the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we signed TG Therapeutics. We entered into an agreement with Precision Biosciences to acquire a license to AsiaCell, bringing our total number of active SPLs to 29. We continue to see robust pipeline of SPL opportunities ahead of us, and expect to sign SPLs at our historical rate of three to five per year in 2025. MaxSight's skill set of commercial and field application scientists, regulatory support with an accessible FDA master file, and differentiated electroporation technology with superior results differentiates our offering and allows us to continue to capture meaningful economics in our SPL agreements. Speaker 200:07:12In the quarter, SPL program related revenue was $2,100,000 including milestone revenue and revenue that came from KashJevi commercial royalties. During Vertex's first quarter earnings call just a couple of days ago, the company indicated that there are now ninety patients who completed cell collection, up from approximately fifty patients stated in their fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. Further, more than twice the number of patients, so more than 180 patients, have been referred by physicians to activate treatment centers to initiate the treatment process with many centers having collected cells from multiple patients. The company indicated that interest in cash chevy continues to be incredibly high in the sickle cell disease and beta thalassemia patient and physician communities globally. An uptake is accelerating as access and reimbursement are secured and familiarity with the process for collecting cells and infusing this truly transformative treatment grows. Speaker 200:08:05Vertex indicated eight patients have received their infusion of Kashtiri edited cells in Q1 and reiterated that they believe Kashtiri has the potential to be a multibillion dollar product for Vertex. As we look ahead, the future potential programs we are supporting the clinic continues to grow as we head SPLs. There are eight potential approved therapies in twenty twenty seven and 2028 supported by MaxSight, and an additional potential 12 approved programs from 2029 to 02/1931. As a management team, we'll maintain our operational rigor in 2025 and beyond, continuously evaluating ways to be more efficient while ensuring we prioritize investments in areas of high growth. This will include ongoing organic investments in the company, along with inorganic investments in external opportunities such as SecureDx. Speaker 200:08:50Our management team, in collaboration with our Board, always strategically assesses capital allocation initiatives that offer superior returns for MaxSite and our shareholders. Organically, we are very confident in the processes and roadmaps we have put in place to drive growth. Inorganically, we strive to broaden our offerings to solve critical pain points in cell and gene therapy development. In both cases, we carefully manage our financial health and are very selective with capital allocation decisions. All in all, we are committed to deploying capital to drive value for shareholders over the long term. Speaker 200:09:21I would like to take a moment to talk about the anticipated delisting from the A markets. In April, we announced that Max Sight is seeking shareholder approval to delist from the AIM and maintain a single listing on NASDAQ at our annual meeting of stockholders, which will be held on June 18. As we have stated, the company and board believe that it is no longer in the best interest of Max Sight or its shareholders to continue to trade on AIM. I want to emphasize, however, that we are thankful to our UK based shareholders for their support and belief on our long term vision, and we will continue to engage with and request support from our UK Shareholders in future years. We'll provide an update following the AGM. Speaker 200:09:57To close, we are pleased with our first quarter results and the progress that we have made so far this year. We are navigating a dynamic and evolving macro environment and remain on track to deliver on our 2025 goals. We are optimistic about the long term opportunity in the industry and for MaxSite as the premier cell engineering platform. With that, I will now turn the call Speaker 300:10:16over to Doug to discuss our financial results. Doug? Thank you, Maher. Total revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $10,400,000 compared to $11,300,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four, representing an 8% decline. Our milestone revenue remains lumpy from quarter to quarter, which can substantially impact year over year comparisons in total reported revenue. Speaker 300:10:37We reported core revenue of $8,200,000 compared to $8,200,000 in the comparable prior year quarter, which absent rounding represents approximately an increase of 1%. Within core revenue, instrument revenue was $1,400,000 compared to $1,900,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. License revenue was $2,500,000 compared to $2,600,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four, and processing assembly or PA revenue was $3,900,000 compared to $3,400,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Assay service revenue, which includes SecureDX, was $100,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, representing approximately two months of revenue recognized in the quarter following the acquisition in January. Other revenue was $300,000 compared to $200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Speaker 300:11:29Instrument revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five was negatively impacted by a difficult operating environment experienced by our customers, leading to cautious capital spending. License revenue remained stable, while PA revenue continued to demonstrate strength. Of note, 57 percent of our core revenue was derived from SPL customers in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, which compares to 53% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. The percentage of core business revenue from SPLs continues to demonstrate a healthy balance of early stage to clinical stage customers. We recognized $2,100,000 of SPL program related revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, compared to $3,200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Speaker 300:12:13This includes milestone revenue from SPLs advancing programs through the clinic and royalty revenue from sales of KASJEVY. Moving down the P and L, gross margin was 86% in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, compared to 88% in the first quarter of the prior year. Excluding inventory provisions and SPL program related revenue, non GAAP adjusted gross margin was 83% in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, compared to non GAAP adjusted gross margin of 83% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Total operating expenses for the first quarter of twenty twenty five were $21,200,000 compared to $22,200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. As Maher discussed, MaxSite is constantly evaluating the ways in which we can enhance operational efficiency, and we remain focused on making targeted investments to drive long term returns. Speaker 300:13:05We finished the first quarter with combined total cash equivalents and investments of 174,700,000.0 and no debt. Continuing to our 2025 guidance, we are reiterating core revenue growth of 8% to 15% compared to 2024, inclusive of revenue from SecureDX, which we expect to be at least 2,000,000 for the full year. Customer interest is very strong for SecuredDx, but we expect this revenue to be weighted more to the second half of the year. We are very confident in our 2025 revenue guidance for this business. Our core revenue outlook assumes that the current operating environment experienced by our customers does not materially change for the better or worse. Speaker 300:13:46We are closely monitoring the environment through discussions with our customers and are confident that we will continue to execute our plan this year. Additionally, we are reiterating SPL program related revenue guidance, which is expected to be approximately $5,000,000,000 in 2025, and which includes both expected revenue from pre commercial milestones and commercial royalties and sales based payments. We will not break out the components of SPL program related revenue due to confidentiality agreements with our customers. We would like to note that our SPL program related revenue outlook is a risk adjusted forecast that is achievable under a variety of potential outcomes across our SPLs and the planned clinical progress and commercial success of our customers. Lastly, MaxSite remains in a strong financial position and continues to expect to end 2025 with approximately $160,000,000 Speaker 200:14:38in Speaker 300:14:38cash equivalents and investments on our balance sheet. This guidance incorporates cash paid for SecurDx in January, in addition to other transaction related expenses. Due to operational improvements to MaxSite since the beginning of 2024, we believe the operating cash burn profile of MaxSight has decreased relative to prior years without sacrificing investments that we expect to drive growth. To close, MaxSight remains positioned to execute on our 2025 outlook. We remain committed to operating efficiently and spending diligently throughout the year to best support our customers and deliver long term value to our shareholders. Speaker 300:15:15Now, I'll turn the call back over to Maher. Thank you, Doug. Speaker 200:15:19We are pleased with our financial results and progress that we have made so far in the year, including integrating SecuredDx and executing commercially and operationally. I want to thank everyone at MaxSite for their hard work and dedication providing the highest quality of offerings to customers. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A. Operator? Operator00:15:38Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star, one, one on your telephone Our first question comes from Matt LaRue with William Blair. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:06Hi, good afternoon. You spoke a little bit about the sort of more recent, introductions of uncertainty into the macro environment, largely sort of on the geopolitical and funding categories. What about from a regulatory standpoint? There's been a number of FDA leadership guideline and personnel changes over the last three months. And just curious your take on that as well as, you know, what you're hearing from customers about, you know, potential upsides or downsides based on what's come out so far. Speaker 200:16:41Yeah. Absolutely. Great question, Ben. Nice to hear from you again. Let me take that on. Speaker 200:16:45So obviously, it's a little bit early right now to tell the outcomes from any regulatory risk or changes. We're not hearing anything from customers that they feel as though the changes at both the FDA Commissioner with Doctor. Makari as well as with the new Zebra head Doctor. Prasad, if there's any changes there that could impact the future potential regulatory hurdles that could come about. We're not hearing any of that. Speaker 200:17:07The long term health of our business is intact. The value proposition for cell gene therapies, I think is just as strong today with those changes as they were in the past. We're not seeing any modifications or slowing of progress from our customers now. And then a few things as well. I mean, the industry as a whole, cell gene therapy industry, which is what I've been saying repeatedly is the path of the future for medicine and really procurative medicine. Speaker 200:17:31ARM, Alliance for Regenerative Medicine has been putting out a note as well where they have talked about exactly these changes at the FDA Commissioner and as well as with the new CBRE head. A few things worth highlighting that, which is if you look at Doctor. Makar's physicians, he's mentioned he's focused on cures and meaningful treatments, meaningful treatments for diseases that have not been treated before, as well as he supports new regulatory pathways for rare diseases. So you see the positivity as well from the new FDA commissioner. And one thing I want to highlight as well, to indicate that this aligns with what Secretary Robert F. Speaker 200:18:05Kennedy has indicated in the past. In fact, a few days ago, So I think we see this as just a continuation of why the cell and gene therapy space is at the forefront of medicine. We don't foresee any regulatory risk. We're not seeing anything from our customers in terms of any regulatory hurdles. And we look forward to continued dialogue with the FDA Commissioner as well as the head of CEBA when we have a chance. Speaker 200:18:40We see this as a continuation of the great progress that Celgene therapies have made. Speaker 400:18:47Okay, great. And then maybe just one for Doug. Obviously, you had announced the RIF and operational review at the December. And just want to get a sense for how much of those effects were realized in the quarter versus what anything incremental we might from a cost containment standpoint throughout the year? And then just in terms of delisting, if there's any way you can, you know, give a sense for cost you're incurring today with respect to maintaining dual listings that you would not have to incur if you move to the sole listing? Speaker 300:19:22So let's take reverse order with respect to the AIM-fifty listing, you know, if we're successful there, I think the savings will be the magnitude of, you know, hundred thousand dollars for the year, and that'll be for every year. So we think that would be good dollars to recapture. In terms of savings from the reduction we've done, I think we've begun to realize those obviously, personnel costs get recognized sooner than they're paid out. And so from a cash flow point of view, a lot of that was in this quarter. But I think if you look at the cash position of the company in general, if you look at where we've been spending money, I think you'll note, net of we'll disclose this, there's almost a million dollars worth of transaction related expenses for the secure transaction that shows up in our financials in terms of expenses. Speaker 300:20:13If you net that stuff out, I think we're showing a clear trend towards better control of our spending, but can't quantify exactly how much of the cost savings are, we're not thinking about it that way. Some of these have been reinvested. I think in general, when you take away the strategic items that, that we've on as manifested by the secure acquisition, the trends on expenses are good. Okay, thank you. Operator00:20:43Thank you. Speaker 200:20:44Thanks, Matt. Operator00:20:45Our next question comes from Julie Simmons with Panmure Liberum. Just Speaker 500:20:54a couple of questions from me. Firstly, on the operating environment generally. Clearly, you've touched on the regulatory side. I was just wondering whether there was anything specific that you're seeing either in sort of funding or changing strategies from your customers that's worth talking about aside from the regulatory bit. Speaker 200:21:14Yeah, absolutely, Julie. You know, so one thing I think we highlight on we want to highlight is we are seeing some constraint on the CapEx spending. That is where we are right now. Nothing that is in any way worrisome, nothing that prevents that, you know, concerns us in terms of the yearly guidance. In fact, we've done a review of all of our for the year instrument sales, we feel confident in the guidance for the year and executing against the funnel and the pipeline that we have. Speaker 200:21:39But we are seeing some hesitation in terms of larger CapEx spend from our customers. And in terms of rationalization, we saw from one of our SPL clients and customers as well, where you saw Caribou came out and indicated that for their CB10 trial, they're going to rationalize their program to really focus on B cell malignancies versus also going after the same CB10 for lupus indication. But that's part of our business, Julie. And that's in essence what we've talked about in terms of we expect some customers to rationalize in this type of funding environment. And it's expected. Speaker 200:22:12It's actually part of the guidance that we set for the year, knowing that we're going to have this rationalization that we had last year and probably this year as well. So nothing really noteworthy, but we are seeing some cautiousness in CapEx spending that we expected and that we're not seeing an increase of it, but just something we've seen since that's probably a little bit of a difference from the beginning of the year. Speaker 500:22:34Lovely. Thank you. And is that causing you any sort of pricing pressure on either instrument sales or across sort of negotiation with SPLs? Speaker 300:22:44So I think on pricing, if you look at our margins, you know, we've held up, our non GAAP adjusted gross margins are 83%, that's what they were last time out. So I think we're able to at least hold the pricing if impacted by product mixes and you're seeing sort of differences in terms of the mix of products that we're selling, but I don't think pricing pressure has been an issue. Speaker 500:23:06Lovely. Thanks very much. Speaker 200:23:08Yeah, thank you, Julie. Operator00:23:11Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Massaro with BTIG. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:23:19Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the questions. I wanted to start with a question on your secure acquisition. It sounds like you're doing a good job implementing or integrating it. I'm curious since this has an opportunity for you to expand to work with in vivo customers. Speaker 600:23:39Can you just maybe add some context to that? Obviously, your electroporation technology has been used for your ex vivo folks. In what ways do you think secure can move you more into the fold in in vivo and in which particular focus areas? Speaker 200:23:56Yeah, absolutely. Mark, great question. So obviously, that was one we are very excited about SecureDX. Let me reiterate that and indicate that the future for them this year and then the rest, you know, in the future years, we feel as though we have opportunity to really expand into the entire cell and gene therapy space. Right now, if you look where we are, we're the premier technology for ex vivo non viral gene editing. Speaker 200:24:20But now we have the chance and we're doing it. SecuredDx's current customers and prospective customers are in the in vivo space. And particularly, there's two areas really that allowed us to get into, which is not just those that are using AAV delivery, but also LNP delivery as well. And that's something that in the past we've never had that ability to really enter into that customer base and now we can with SecureDX. But it does something else for us as well, Mark, which is I've talked about in the past, electrification, LMPs, AAVs, they're not just competing delivery systems, they're also complementary. Speaker 200:24:53Oftentimes you'll see companies are using LMPs for the knockout and using electroporation for the knock in or vice versa. Same thing sometimes with electroporation and AAV complement being complementary. This now allows us to work with those customers are using those alternative delivery forms where it potentially can allow us to also capitalize on those complementary delivery customers as well. So really it gets us into that space that we haven't really been into before and allows us to work across the cell and gene therapy space for safety assessments, whether you're doing AAV delivery, LNP delivery, or all that expression on ex vivo, doing gene editing safety assessments, knowing where the nomination confirmation sites are, especially now where there is more scrutiny on safety and ensuring that we have lifesaving therapies that have gone through the scientific rigor of the safety assessment, lets us plan the entire cell and gene therapy space. And we're excited about it, Mark. Speaker 200:25:46I hope that answers your question. Speaker 600:25:49Yep, that's super helpful. And then I wanted to follow-up with a two part question. Guess the SPL revenue for $2,100,000 certainly came in above my expectations. I'm curious if it came in before your expectations as well, recognizing you have a full year guide for five, but I'm just wondering if the timing came in earlier. And then the second question is on sort of the makeup of the revenue drivers this year. Speaker 600:26:17You drove 13% growth in consumables, recognizing instruments are likely to remain under pressure this year. Do you see a similar trajectory of perhaps low double digit growth in consumables, steadily progressing throughout the year? Or how should we think about that? Speaker 200:26:35Yeah, Doug, do you want to take that question? Speaker 300:26:37Yeah, so in terms of the mix of revenue, let's take a quick let's back up quickly talk about secure, right, because this is a new addition to the line items for core revenue, right. So we've got assay service revenue, which is now included, we get 142,000 for the quarter, we have to do 30,000 of license revenue that's now rolled into the licenses line of core revenue. So that's what Secur did for the quarter. Our view on that is it's still, you know, we're still confident the $2,000,000 at least from that business this year. It's less about the business ramping up, although that's part of it, but it's also about how we recognize revenue. Speaker 300:27:12And in terms of, you know, recognizing, you know, when the final reports delivered. So there's some revenue recognition timing issues there, but that business is off to a good start. Terms of the mix, obviously, instruments were a little down for the quarter. But we are paying very close attention to that. And, you know, that is one of the key drivers of the forecast and looking out in the later quarters to, you know, assess our ability to get to our to get within the guidance we provided. Speaker 300:27:37We feel comfortable with that in terms of what we can take away from the revenue mix within core revenue and extrapolate out that for the year, that's tough to say. Obviously, license revenue is pretty stable. Usually, we've talked about a couple of headwinds that we faced in that area the last time that we had an earnings call. But instruments is an area where we see an opportunity to drive growth from this point. This is a low point for us on instruments, as part of that was product mix, sold a lot of ATXs for instance, it's still a capital, you know, people being very cautious with capital spending decisions, but we do feel good about the work that we've done to really understand the customer buying process and decision points and all the information that we have in our CRM. Speaker 300:28:22So we feel very good about the guidance in terms of the mix, you're gonna have to wait and see, we don't obviously give guidance broken down by these areas, we certainly don't give quarterly guidance as well, which sort of circles back to your first question, which is, you know, will we surprise, you know, we model out, if not the SPL program related revenue, we really take a look at a variety of potential outcomes there and score, you know, when these things could occur, what's the probability and it's a basket of things that sort of spits out a number that we're comfortable providing as guidance, whether it came earlier in the year, or than expected. I don't know if that's really the case, know, we really don't break it out by quarter. It was something, you know, there's clearly some milestones in there, some milestones that we anticipated that would happen in 2025. There's also obviously a component that's for our royalties from Kashjabi, we just don't break that out as well. Speaker 600:29:18That's helpful. Thanks, guys. Speaker 200:29:20Yeah, thanks, Mark. Operator00:29:31Our next question is from Brendan Smith with T. D. Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 300:29:38Hey, guys. This is Chad Wojtrowski on for Brendan Smith. Just given the priority to invest organically as you are, can we expect any news flow related to new products or product enhancements this year? And can you also just help paint the picture of what MaxSite could look like in the next, say, three to five years as you continue to expand beyond electroporation? Thanks for the question. Speaker 200:30:00Yeah, absolutely. So, Chad, nice to hear from you and great question. Obviously, we indicated last year some of the strategic initiatives that we took on and really removing some of the inefficiencies was meant to do a few things from which is, you know, reduce our spending and ensure that we're in line with the financial health that we always believe in, but then also to reinvest some of those savings into organic initiatives. So yes, we do have a healthy robust product pipeline we're working on and that we believe that we'll have launch products this year. I can't give obviously for competitive reasons what those products are, but we believe they're meaningful products that allows us to expand the TAM for the space we're in right now. Speaker 200:30:38That really is complementary to our current exploration technology and allows us to give our customers a complete workflow from early discovery all the way to the clinical and commercial, which differentiates us from any other company, which is we're allowed, we have the ability to work with 29 SPL clients, the privilege of working with them. So we're working on products that allow us to really begin to truly increase our total addressable market to increase SPLs as well. And we'll have launched products this year within our current operating expenses and our current financial health. In terms of about the inorganic growth, we're always looking at the organic growth opportunities. I alluded to that on the call today. Speaker 200:31:18Along the lines of what we've with SecureDX, as we see opportunities for us to grow in the cell and gene therapy space, where we have highly differentiated products that SecureDx offers us, off target gene editing, off target assessments that no one else really out there can compete with, we're always going be looking for those type of opportunities ensure that we grow within the cell and gene therapy space, which we believe is the future of medicine. Again, we're always doing it in a very smart and thoughtful way, ensuring that our cash balance sheet is always at the forefront of where we are and really ensuring that our path to profitability is something that remains maintained with those type of transactions. On both fronts, we'll have product launches here and we'll continue to look for those opportunities, but at the same time, we're going look at a very thoughtful way ensuring that it only grows our financial health and only grows our total addressable market. But at the same time, we're very confident in the business that we have. We have a very healthy electrification platform that's differentiated from the field. Speaker 200:32:21We have the premier generating off target assessment platform as well. We're going to continue to focus on those and organic growth development for both those companies as well. Operator00:32:39Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Dan Arias with Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:32:49Afternoon, guys. Maher, one of the themes coming into this year was just this idea that the pipeline funnel within the industry was starting to open up again after this period where it narrowed because companies were just needing to save money given the financing environment. You mentioned asset prioritization earlier in your prior in your prepared remarks. Is your sense that we're starting to swing back towards portfolio narrowing again a bit or, you know, our company is still holding the line in terms of the scope of what they're working on? Speaker 200:33:23So Dan, great question. Saw that early last year, we saw that rationalization of programs that companies are working on. Obviously, the beginning of this year has changed what we thought was maybe the expansion of that breadth of programs. We're not seeing that much more rationalization, however, Dan. I mean, I mentioned that one of our SPL customers rationalized their programs to focus on their lead indication rather than expansion indications for that one program. Speaker 200:33:52We're not seeing that with any other customer though. So, obviously we're keeping a close eye and we'll update if we do see it. But as of right now, we're not seeing a re expansion of programs. We're not seeing continued rationalization other than that one SPL customer that we saw. But at the same time, we also mentioned that we've in the past, I think late last year, we had one SPL customer as well indicate that they're they're rationalizing their programs and focusing more in vivo, where they ended up no longer pursuing their ex vivo therapy there. Speaker 200:34:28So we saw that rationalization. We're not seeing too much more. We're not seeing expansion. We're kind of seeing the, I would say status quo quo is what we're seeing from the end of last year there. Speaker 700:34:39Okay, that's good. And then, Doug, maybe just a follow-up on the outlook. I know you're not looking to get into quarterly views, but I wanted to ask about the cadence of revenues for the year and just a way to think about that. The Street has sequential increases for core revenues that they're modest, but they're up each quarter. And at one point, I think the idea was that this gradual improvement in the end market conditions did kind of get you from one quarter to the next. Speaker 700:35:03Now that feels a little bit less okay. So can you just touch on what the drivers would be on the incremental step ups if in fact, you feel comfortable with modeling that way? Thanks. Speaker 300:35:14Yeah, so we do feel comfortable modeling it out that way. It's not because, you know, it's first off, we said at the beginning of year, we're really not anticipating the market to really get better. The guidance we've provided sort of is based on where the market is now, recognizing that you can make a point that this market is slightly different than it was seven weeks ago, when we spoke. But, you know, we are we do and we do see, when we look at our models that we do have some incremental growth, you know, particularly, you know, at the back end of the year, and that's really more of a reflection of specific identified opportunities within the pipeline and some initiatives that we've made within the sales organization. And so we feel very good about it. Speaker 300:35:56It's as you know, leases have been relatively consistent. PAs, we can model that out based on, you know, on pull through and run rates, you know, for in a variety of different ways. It's really instruments of the hardest piece to forecast. And again, when we look at we do look at specific identified opportunities, you know, this tends to build the revenue later in the year. Do I think that that's based on, you know, a purchase decisions that are because the market's expected to prove improve? Speaker 300:36:27That's not how we've addressed this and modeling this out and discussing. Actually, you know, we do have a weekly call here with the commercial team where members of the accounting finance and operations team sits down with the commercial team, and we really do go opportunity by opportunity to understand, you know, where those specific, you know, sales can manifest itself. And that's a so that we can come to this call with the confidence that we've got the right guidance in front of investors. Speaker 200:36:53Yep. Okay. Thanks, Tom. Operator00:36:57Thank you. At this time, I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn it back to Maher for closing remarks. Speaker 200:37:07Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining us on today's call. We look forward to hearing speaking with all of you and hearing from you again on our next earnings call in a few months. Operator00:37:16Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Speaker 500:37:24Goodbye.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways MaxSite reported Q1 2025 revenue of $10.4 M (core $8.2 M; SPL $2.1 M), achieved a non-GAAP gross margin of 83%, and reaffirmed its 2025 guidance of 8–15% core revenue growth plus ~$5 M in SPL program related revenue. Management noted a more dynamic macro backdrop—new U.S. tariff policies and cautious CapEx decisions—yet expects limited gross-margin impact thanks to U.S. manufacturing and a resilient global distribution network. A bottom-up operational review led to workforce optimization, reduced inefficiencies, and disciplined capital allocation, positioning MaxSite to lower cash burn while maintaining investment in high-growth initiatives. The integration of SecureDx is progressing smoothly, with at least $2 M in assay service revenue anticipated for 2025, and broadening MaxSite’s footprint into in vivo gene-editing safety assessments. Vertex’s Casgevy program achieved over 90 patient collections and eight infusions in Q1, underscoring accelerating demand in cell and gene therapies and validating MaxSite’s strategy of 29 active SPL partnerships. AI Generated. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the MaxSite First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question, please press 11 on your telephone. Operator00:00:20You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Eric Abdal, Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:40Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for participating in today's conference call. Joining me on the call from MaxSite, have Maher Masud, President and Chief Executive Officer and Doug Sworski, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, MaxSite released financial results for the first quarter ended 03/31/2025. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Speaker 100:01:03Before we begin, I need to read the following statement. Statements or comments made during this call may be forward looking statements within the meaning of federal security laws. Any statements contained in this call that relate to expectations or predictions of future events, results or performance are forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward looking statements due to a variety of factors, which are discussed in detail in our SEC filings. Except as required by applicable law, the company has no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. Speaker 100:01:42And with that, I will turn the call over to Maher. Speaker 200:01:46Thank you, Eric. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining MagSafe's first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Before discussing our business performance, I would like to take a little time to discuss the current environment. It's obvious the macro backdrop has become more dynamic since the start of the year, with headlines emerging that have an effect on our industry and the life sciences space as a whole. As stated in our release, we had a strong first quarter and remain confident in our operational focus and underlying business. Speaker 200:02:12However, we are aware of and adapting to macro uncertainties that could affect our business. As to the new tariff policies, as it stands today, we see limited impact on our gross margins and U. S. Revenue. All of our manufacturing is in The U. Speaker 200:02:24S. And more than two thirds of our revenue is from The U. S. We could potentially have greater exposure in Europe and Asia in the event of tariff retaliation, but we have mitigated tariff impacts in 2025 by leveraging our global distribution network where appropriate. It is the management team's job to navigate through this more challenging environment, and we remain focused on executing our growth plan for 2025 from beyond. Speaker 200:02:48Jumping into the first quarter, Maxar reported $10,400,000 in total revenue, which included strong core revenue of $8,200,000 and SPL program revenue of $2,100,000 We were pleased with the business performance to start the year, which was in line with our expectations. The quarter was highlighted by continued demand for our expert platform, strong execution from our sales team, and successful progress integrating SecurDX. We have begun 2025 as a more agile and focused company than ever before, which has allowed us to adapt to the dynamic macro backdrop so far this year. Throughout 2024, we conducted a bottom up review of MaxSite to optimize new product development, manufacturing, commercial execution, and capital allocation initiatives. The streamlining of the business resulted in some workforce changes, including a reduction in inefficiencies and the addition of key personnel. Speaker 200:03:38These changes across Mac site have improved accountability and better aligned resources with the company's long term goals. We have reduced our operating expenses and cash burn, while we also increased our product offerings, best positioning the company to achieve profitability with our existing balance sheet. As stated earlier, the operating environment for our customers continues to be challenged, particularly as the macro environment has become increasingly dynamic since the beginning of the year. Customers have become more hesitant in capital equipment purchasing decisions over the last few months, with a few customers reallocating R and D spend to prioritize certain programs over others. That said, we still expect to execute against the pipeline of instrument opportunities in our plan this year. Speaker 200:04:18Our team has adapted well to the evolving environment so far this year, and we are confident that our operational focus and highly differentiated offerings will allow us to deliver against our 2025 guidance, which we have reaffirmed today. To summarize the core business results in the first quarter, the instrument installed base grew to seven eighty seven as of March 31, with instrument revenue of $1,400,000 License revenue was stable quarter over quarter and year over year at $2,500,000 demonstrating strength from SPLs as they progress through the clinic. And we were pleased with the continuation of strong PA demand, as PA revenue grew 13% year over year, driven by activity from early stage and clinical customers. Lastly, have seen solid initial traction with SecureDx in the first two months we have owned the company, and remain on track to deliver at least $2,000,000 in SecureDx revenue for the year. Stepping back, despite a difficult market environment over the near term, we remain very optimistic about the cell and gene therapy market and associated trends that MaxSysperf platform helps to address. Speaker 200:05:20Non viral cell therapy continues to move towards engineering approaches that involve more complex therapies across an expanding variety of cell and disease types. Additionally, cell and gene therapy developers and regulators are placing an increasing emphasis on safety. Backside's solution, including SecureDx, is incredibly well positioned to support these trends. As discussed on the last quarter's call, the SecureDx services platform provides developers with safety assessment of their therapy earlier in the discovery process through on and off target gene editing assessments, which provides a range of benefits for programs. With the addition of SecureDx to MaxSite, we can now provide ex vivo and in vivo solutions to both cell therapy and gene therapy customers. Speaker 200:05:59The integration of SecureDx is going very smoothly. Customers have been receptive and interested in the SecureDx offerings. We are seeing strong synergies in leveraging our sales and marketing teams, and we have added tremendous talent and expertise in drug safety assessment with the SecureDx team. Over time, we believe that gene editing assessments will continue to become increasingly important and eventually essential to cell and gene therapy development programs and their safety profiles. Turning to our SPLs. Speaker 200:06:28We continue to support our existing clients as they progress their programs through the clinic and strengthen our expanding portfolio. In the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we signed TG Therapeutics. We entered into an agreement with Precision Biosciences to acquire a license to AsiaCell, bringing our total number of active SPLs to 29. We continue to see robust pipeline of SPL opportunities ahead of us, and expect to sign SPLs at our historical rate of three to five per year in 2025. MaxSight's skill set of commercial and field application scientists, regulatory support with an accessible FDA master file, and differentiated electroporation technology with superior results differentiates our offering and allows us to continue to capture meaningful economics in our SPL agreements. Speaker 200:07:12In the quarter, SPL program related revenue was $2,100,000 including milestone revenue and revenue that came from KashJevi commercial royalties. During Vertex's first quarter earnings call just a couple of days ago, the company indicated that there are now ninety patients who completed cell collection, up from approximately fifty patients stated in their fourth quarter twenty twenty four earnings call. Further, more than twice the number of patients, so more than 180 patients, have been referred by physicians to activate treatment centers to initiate the treatment process with many centers having collected cells from multiple patients. The company indicated that interest in cash chevy continues to be incredibly high in the sickle cell disease and beta thalassemia patient and physician communities globally. An uptake is accelerating as access and reimbursement are secured and familiarity with the process for collecting cells and infusing this truly transformative treatment grows. Speaker 200:08:05Vertex indicated eight patients have received their infusion of Kashtiri edited cells in Q1 and reiterated that they believe Kashtiri has the potential to be a multibillion dollar product for Vertex. As we look ahead, the future potential programs we are supporting the clinic continues to grow as we head SPLs. There are eight potential approved therapies in twenty twenty seven and 2028 supported by MaxSight, and an additional potential 12 approved programs from 2029 to 02/1931. As a management team, we'll maintain our operational rigor in 2025 and beyond, continuously evaluating ways to be more efficient while ensuring we prioritize investments in areas of high growth. This will include ongoing organic investments in the company, along with inorganic investments in external opportunities such as SecureDx. Speaker 200:08:50Our management team, in collaboration with our Board, always strategically assesses capital allocation initiatives that offer superior returns for MaxSite and our shareholders. Organically, we are very confident in the processes and roadmaps we have put in place to drive growth. Inorganically, we strive to broaden our offerings to solve critical pain points in cell and gene therapy development. In both cases, we carefully manage our financial health and are very selective with capital allocation decisions. All in all, we are committed to deploying capital to drive value for shareholders over the long term. Speaker 200:09:21I would like to take a moment to talk about the anticipated delisting from the A markets. In April, we announced that Max Sight is seeking shareholder approval to delist from the AIM and maintain a single listing on NASDAQ at our annual meeting of stockholders, which will be held on June 18. As we have stated, the company and board believe that it is no longer in the best interest of Max Sight or its shareholders to continue to trade on AIM. I want to emphasize, however, that we are thankful to our UK based shareholders for their support and belief on our long term vision, and we will continue to engage with and request support from our UK Shareholders in future years. We'll provide an update following the AGM. Speaker 200:09:57To close, we are pleased with our first quarter results and the progress that we have made so far this year. We are navigating a dynamic and evolving macro environment and remain on track to deliver on our 2025 goals. We are optimistic about the long term opportunity in the industry and for MaxSite as the premier cell engineering platform. With that, I will now turn the call Speaker 300:10:16over to Doug to discuss our financial results. Doug? Thank you, Maher. Total revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five was $10,400,000 compared to $11,300,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four, representing an 8% decline. Our milestone revenue remains lumpy from quarter to quarter, which can substantially impact year over year comparisons in total reported revenue. Speaker 300:10:37We reported core revenue of $8,200,000 compared to $8,200,000 in the comparable prior year quarter, which absent rounding represents approximately an increase of 1%. Within core revenue, instrument revenue was $1,400,000 compared to $1,900,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. License revenue was $2,500,000 compared to $2,600,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four, and processing assembly or PA revenue was $3,900,000 compared to $3,400,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Assay service revenue, which includes SecureDX, was $100,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, representing approximately two months of revenue recognized in the quarter following the acquisition in January. Other revenue was $300,000 compared to $200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Speaker 300:11:29Instrument revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five was negatively impacted by a difficult operating environment experienced by our customers, leading to cautious capital spending. License revenue remained stable, while PA revenue continued to demonstrate strength. Of note, 57 percent of our core revenue was derived from SPL customers in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, which compares to 53% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. The percentage of core business revenue from SPLs continues to demonstrate a healthy balance of early stage to clinical stage customers. We recognized $2,100,000 of SPL program related revenue in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, compared to $3,200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Speaker 300:12:13This includes milestone revenue from SPLs advancing programs through the clinic and royalty revenue from sales of KASJEVY. Moving down the P and L, gross margin was 86% in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, compared to 88% in the first quarter of the prior year. Excluding inventory provisions and SPL program related revenue, non GAAP adjusted gross margin was 83% in the first quarter of twenty twenty five, compared to non GAAP adjusted gross margin of 83% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. Total operating expenses for the first quarter of twenty twenty five were $21,200,000 compared to $22,200,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. As Maher discussed, MaxSite is constantly evaluating the ways in which we can enhance operational efficiency, and we remain focused on making targeted investments to drive long term returns. Speaker 300:13:05We finished the first quarter with combined total cash equivalents and investments of 174,700,000.0 and no debt. Continuing to our 2025 guidance, we are reiterating core revenue growth of 8% to 15% compared to 2024, inclusive of revenue from SecureDX, which we expect to be at least 2,000,000 for the full year. Customer interest is very strong for SecuredDx, but we expect this revenue to be weighted more to the second half of the year. We are very confident in our 2025 revenue guidance for this business. Our core revenue outlook assumes that the current operating environment experienced by our customers does not materially change for the better or worse. Speaker 300:13:46We are closely monitoring the environment through discussions with our customers and are confident that we will continue to execute our plan this year. Additionally, we are reiterating SPL program related revenue guidance, which is expected to be approximately $5,000,000,000 in 2025, and which includes both expected revenue from pre commercial milestones and commercial royalties and sales based payments. We will not break out the components of SPL program related revenue due to confidentiality agreements with our customers. We would like to note that our SPL program related revenue outlook is a risk adjusted forecast that is achievable under a variety of potential outcomes across our SPLs and the planned clinical progress and commercial success of our customers. Lastly, MaxSite remains in a strong financial position and continues to expect to end 2025 with approximately $160,000,000 Speaker 200:14:38in Speaker 300:14:38cash equivalents and investments on our balance sheet. This guidance incorporates cash paid for SecurDx in January, in addition to other transaction related expenses. Due to operational improvements to MaxSite since the beginning of 2024, we believe the operating cash burn profile of MaxSight has decreased relative to prior years without sacrificing investments that we expect to drive growth. To close, MaxSight remains positioned to execute on our 2025 outlook. We remain committed to operating efficiently and spending diligently throughout the year to best support our customers and deliver long term value to our shareholders. Speaker 300:15:15Now, I'll turn the call back over to Maher. Thank you, Doug. Speaker 200:15:19We are pleased with our financial results and progress that we have made so far in the year, including integrating SecuredDx and executing commercially and operationally. I want to thank everyone at MaxSite for their hard work and dedication providing the highest quality of offerings to customers. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A. Operator? Operator00:15:38Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star, one, one on your telephone Our first question comes from Matt LaRue with William Blair. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:06Hi, good afternoon. You spoke a little bit about the sort of more recent, introductions of uncertainty into the macro environment, largely sort of on the geopolitical and funding categories. What about from a regulatory standpoint? There's been a number of FDA leadership guideline and personnel changes over the last three months. And just curious your take on that as well as, you know, what you're hearing from customers about, you know, potential upsides or downsides based on what's come out so far. Speaker 200:16:41Yeah. Absolutely. Great question, Ben. Nice to hear from you again. Let me take that on. Speaker 200:16:45So obviously, it's a little bit early right now to tell the outcomes from any regulatory risk or changes. We're not hearing anything from customers that they feel as though the changes at both the FDA Commissioner with Doctor. Makari as well as with the new Zebra head Doctor. Prasad, if there's any changes there that could impact the future potential regulatory hurdles that could come about. We're not hearing any of that. Speaker 200:17:07The long term health of our business is intact. The value proposition for cell gene therapies, I think is just as strong today with those changes as they were in the past. We're not seeing any modifications or slowing of progress from our customers now. And then a few things as well. I mean, the industry as a whole, cell gene therapy industry, which is what I've been saying repeatedly is the path of the future for medicine and really procurative medicine. Speaker 200:17:31ARM, Alliance for Regenerative Medicine has been putting out a note as well where they have talked about exactly these changes at the FDA Commissioner and as well as with the new CBRE head. A few things worth highlighting that, which is if you look at Doctor. Makar's physicians, he's mentioned he's focused on cures and meaningful treatments, meaningful treatments for diseases that have not been treated before, as well as he supports new regulatory pathways for rare diseases. So you see the positivity as well from the new FDA commissioner. And one thing I want to highlight as well, to indicate that this aligns with what Secretary Robert F. Speaker 200:18:05Kennedy has indicated in the past. In fact, a few days ago, So I think we see this as just a continuation of why the cell and gene therapy space is at the forefront of medicine. We don't foresee any regulatory risk. We're not seeing anything from our customers in terms of any regulatory hurdles. And we look forward to continued dialogue with the FDA Commissioner as well as the head of CEBA when we have a chance. Speaker 200:18:40We see this as a continuation of the great progress that Celgene therapies have made. Speaker 400:18:47Okay, great. And then maybe just one for Doug. Obviously, you had announced the RIF and operational review at the December. And just want to get a sense for how much of those effects were realized in the quarter versus what anything incremental we might from a cost containment standpoint throughout the year? And then just in terms of delisting, if there's any way you can, you know, give a sense for cost you're incurring today with respect to maintaining dual listings that you would not have to incur if you move to the sole listing? Speaker 300:19:22So let's take reverse order with respect to the AIM-fifty listing, you know, if we're successful there, I think the savings will be the magnitude of, you know, hundred thousand dollars for the year, and that'll be for every year. So we think that would be good dollars to recapture. In terms of savings from the reduction we've done, I think we've begun to realize those obviously, personnel costs get recognized sooner than they're paid out. And so from a cash flow point of view, a lot of that was in this quarter. But I think if you look at the cash position of the company in general, if you look at where we've been spending money, I think you'll note, net of we'll disclose this, there's almost a million dollars worth of transaction related expenses for the secure transaction that shows up in our financials in terms of expenses. Speaker 300:20:13If you net that stuff out, I think we're showing a clear trend towards better control of our spending, but can't quantify exactly how much of the cost savings are, we're not thinking about it that way. Some of these have been reinvested. I think in general, when you take away the strategic items that, that we've on as manifested by the secure acquisition, the trends on expenses are good. Okay, thank you. Operator00:20:43Thank you. Speaker 200:20:44Thanks, Matt. Operator00:20:45Our next question comes from Julie Simmons with Panmure Liberum. Just Speaker 500:20:54a couple of questions from me. Firstly, on the operating environment generally. Clearly, you've touched on the regulatory side. I was just wondering whether there was anything specific that you're seeing either in sort of funding or changing strategies from your customers that's worth talking about aside from the regulatory bit. Speaker 200:21:14Yeah, absolutely, Julie. You know, so one thing I think we highlight on we want to highlight is we are seeing some constraint on the CapEx spending. That is where we are right now. Nothing that is in any way worrisome, nothing that prevents that, you know, concerns us in terms of the yearly guidance. In fact, we've done a review of all of our for the year instrument sales, we feel confident in the guidance for the year and executing against the funnel and the pipeline that we have. Speaker 200:21:39But we are seeing some hesitation in terms of larger CapEx spend from our customers. And in terms of rationalization, we saw from one of our SPL clients and customers as well, where you saw Caribou came out and indicated that for their CB10 trial, they're going to rationalize their program to really focus on B cell malignancies versus also going after the same CB10 for lupus indication. But that's part of our business, Julie. And that's in essence what we've talked about in terms of we expect some customers to rationalize in this type of funding environment. And it's expected. Speaker 200:22:12It's actually part of the guidance that we set for the year, knowing that we're going to have this rationalization that we had last year and probably this year as well. So nothing really noteworthy, but we are seeing some cautiousness in CapEx spending that we expected and that we're not seeing an increase of it, but just something we've seen since that's probably a little bit of a difference from the beginning of the year. Speaker 500:22:34Lovely. Thank you. And is that causing you any sort of pricing pressure on either instrument sales or across sort of negotiation with SPLs? Speaker 300:22:44So I think on pricing, if you look at our margins, you know, we've held up, our non GAAP adjusted gross margins are 83%, that's what they were last time out. So I think we're able to at least hold the pricing if impacted by product mixes and you're seeing sort of differences in terms of the mix of products that we're selling, but I don't think pricing pressure has been an issue. Speaker 500:23:06Lovely. Thanks very much. Speaker 200:23:08Yeah, thank you, Julie. Operator00:23:11Thank you. Our next question comes from Mark Massaro with BTIG. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:23:19Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the questions. I wanted to start with a question on your secure acquisition. It sounds like you're doing a good job implementing or integrating it. I'm curious since this has an opportunity for you to expand to work with in vivo customers. Speaker 600:23:39Can you just maybe add some context to that? Obviously, your electroporation technology has been used for your ex vivo folks. In what ways do you think secure can move you more into the fold in in vivo and in which particular focus areas? Speaker 200:23:56Yeah, absolutely. Mark, great question. So obviously, that was one we are very excited about SecureDX. Let me reiterate that and indicate that the future for them this year and then the rest, you know, in the future years, we feel as though we have opportunity to really expand into the entire cell and gene therapy space. Right now, if you look where we are, we're the premier technology for ex vivo non viral gene editing. Speaker 200:24:20But now we have the chance and we're doing it. SecuredDx's current customers and prospective customers are in the in vivo space. And particularly, there's two areas really that allowed us to get into, which is not just those that are using AAV delivery, but also LNP delivery as well. And that's something that in the past we've never had that ability to really enter into that customer base and now we can with SecureDX. But it does something else for us as well, Mark, which is I've talked about in the past, electrification, LMPs, AAVs, they're not just competing delivery systems, they're also complementary. Speaker 200:24:53Oftentimes you'll see companies are using LMPs for the knockout and using electroporation for the knock in or vice versa. Same thing sometimes with electroporation and AAV complement being complementary. This now allows us to work with those customers are using those alternative delivery forms where it potentially can allow us to also capitalize on those complementary delivery customers as well. So really it gets us into that space that we haven't really been into before and allows us to work across the cell and gene therapy space for safety assessments, whether you're doing AAV delivery, LNP delivery, or all that expression on ex vivo, doing gene editing safety assessments, knowing where the nomination confirmation sites are, especially now where there is more scrutiny on safety and ensuring that we have lifesaving therapies that have gone through the scientific rigor of the safety assessment, lets us plan the entire cell and gene therapy space. And we're excited about it, Mark. Speaker 200:25:46I hope that answers your question. Speaker 600:25:49Yep, that's super helpful. And then I wanted to follow-up with a two part question. Guess the SPL revenue for $2,100,000 certainly came in above my expectations. I'm curious if it came in before your expectations as well, recognizing you have a full year guide for five, but I'm just wondering if the timing came in earlier. And then the second question is on sort of the makeup of the revenue drivers this year. Speaker 600:26:17You drove 13% growth in consumables, recognizing instruments are likely to remain under pressure this year. Do you see a similar trajectory of perhaps low double digit growth in consumables, steadily progressing throughout the year? Or how should we think about that? Speaker 200:26:35Yeah, Doug, do you want to take that question? Speaker 300:26:37Yeah, so in terms of the mix of revenue, let's take a quick let's back up quickly talk about secure, right, because this is a new addition to the line items for core revenue, right. So we've got assay service revenue, which is now included, we get 142,000 for the quarter, we have to do 30,000 of license revenue that's now rolled into the licenses line of core revenue. So that's what Secur did for the quarter. Our view on that is it's still, you know, we're still confident the $2,000,000 at least from that business this year. It's less about the business ramping up, although that's part of it, but it's also about how we recognize revenue. Speaker 300:27:12And in terms of, you know, recognizing, you know, when the final reports delivered. So there's some revenue recognition timing issues there, but that business is off to a good start. Terms of the mix, obviously, instruments were a little down for the quarter. But we are paying very close attention to that. And, you know, that is one of the key drivers of the forecast and looking out in the later quarters to, you know, assess our ability to get to our to get within the guidance we provided. Speaker 300:27:37We feel comfortable with that in terms of what we can take away from the revenue mix within core revenue and extrapolate out that for the year, that's tough to say. Obviously, license revenue is pretty stable. Usually, we've talked about a couple of headwinds that we faced in that area the last time that we had an earnings call. But instruments is an area where we see an opportunity to drive growth from this point. This is a low point for us on instruments, as part of that was product mix, sold a lot of ATXs for instance, it's still a capital, you know, people being very cautious with capital spending decisions, but we do feel good about the work that we've done to really understand the customer buying process and decision points and all the information that we have in our CRM. Speaker 300:28:22So we feel very good about the guidance in terms of the mix, you're gonna have to wait and see, we don't obviously give guidance broken down by these areas, we certainly don't give quarterly guidance as well, which sort of circles back to your first question, which is, you know, will we surprise, you know, we model out, if not the SPL program related revenue, we really take a look at a variety of potential outcomes there and score, you know, when these things could occur, what's the probability and it's a basket of things that sort of spits out a number that we're comfortable providing as guidance, whether it came earlier in the year, or than expected. I don't know if that's really the case, know, we really don't break it out by quarter. It was something, you know, there's clearly some milestones in there, some milestones that we anticipated that would happen in 2025. There's also obviously a component that's for our royalties from Kashjabi, we just don't break that out as well. Speaker 600:29:18That's helpful. Thanks, guys. Speaker 200:29:20Yeah, thanks, Mark. Operator00:29:31Our next question is from Brendan Smith with T. D. Cowen. Your line is now open. Speaker 300:29:38Hey, guys. This is Chad Wojtrowski on for Brendan Smith. Just given the priority to invest organically as you are, can we expect any news flow related to new products or product enhancements this year? And can you also just help paint the picture of what MaxSite could look like in the next, say, three to five years as you continue to expand beyond electroporation? Thanks for the question. Speaker 200:30:00Yeah, absolutely. So, Chad, nice to hear from you and great question. Obviously, we indicated last year some of the strategic initiatives that we took on and really removing some of the inefficiencies was meant to do a few things from which is, you know, reduce our spending and ensure that we're in line with the financial health that we always believe in, but then also to reinvest some of those savings into organic initiatives. So yes, we do have a healthy robust product pipeline we're working on and that we believe that we'll have launch products this year. I can't give obviously for competitive reasons what those products are, but we believe they're meaningful products that allows us to expand the TAM for the space we're in right now. Speaker 200:30:38That really is complementary to our current exploration technology and allows us to give our customers a complete workflow from early discovery all the way to the clinical and commercial, which differentiates us from any other company, which is we're allowed, we have the ability to work with 29 SPL clients, the privilege of working with them. So we're working on products that allow us to really begin to truly increase our total addressable market to increase SPLs as well. And we'll have launched products this year within our current operating expenses and our current financial health. In terms of about the inorganic growth, we're always looking at the organic growth opportunities. I alluded to that on the call today. Speaker 200:31:18Along the lines of what we've with SecureDX, as we see opportunities for us to grow in the cell and gene therapy space, where we have highly differentiated products that SecureDx offers us, off target gene editing, off target assessments that no one else really out there can compete with, we're always going be looking for those type of opportunities ensure that we grow within the cell and gene therapy space, which we believe is the future of medicine. Again, we're always doing it in a very smart and thoughtful way, ensuring that our cash balance sheet is always at the forefront of where we are and really ensuring that our path to profitability is something that remains maintained with those type of transactions. On both fronts, we'll have product launches here and we'll continue to look for those opportunities, but at the same time, we're going look at a very thoughtful way ensuring that it only grows our financial health and only grows our total addressable market. But at the same time, we're very confident in the business that we have. We have a very healthy electrification platform that's differentiated from the field. Speaker 200:32:21We have the premier generating off target assessment platform as well. We're going to continue to focus on those and organic growth development for both those companies as well. Operator00:32:39Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Dan Arias with Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 700:32:49Afternoon, guys. Maher, one of the themes coming into this year was just this idea that the pipeline funnel within the industry was starting to open up again after this period where it narrowed because companies were just needing to save money given the financing environment. You mentioned asset prioritization earlier in your prior in your prepared remarks. Is your sense that we're starting to swing back towards portfolio narrowing again a bit or, you know, our company is still holding the line in terms of the scope of what they're working on? Speaker 200:33:23So Dan, great question. Saw that early last year, we saw that rationalization of programs that companies are working on. Obviously, the beginning of this year has changed what we thought was maybe the expansion of that breadth of programs. We're not seeing that much more rationalization, however, Dan. I mean, I mentioned that one of our SPL customers rationalized their programs to focus on their lead indication rather than expansion indications for that one program. Speaker 200:33:52We're not seeing that with any other customer though. So, obviously we're keeping a close eye and we'll update if we do see it. But as of right now, we're not seeing a re expansion of programs. We're not seeing continued rationalization other than that one SPL customer that we saw. But at the same time, we also mentioned that we've in the past, I think late last year, we had one SPL customer as well indicate that they're they're rationalizing their programs and focusing more in vivo, where they ended up no longer pursuing their ex vivo therapy there. Speaker 200:34:28So we saw that rationalization. We're not seeing too much more. We're not seeing expansion. We're kind of seeing the, I would say status quo quo is what we're seeing from the end of last year there. Speaker 700:34:39Okay, that's good. And then, Doug, maybe just a follow-up on the outlook. I know you're not looking to get into quarterly views, but I wanted to ask about the cadence of revenues for the year and just a way to think about that. The Street has sequential increases for core revenues that they're modest, but they're up each quarter. And at one point, I think the idea was that this gradual improvement in the end market conditions did kind of get you from one quarter to the next. Speaker 700:35:03Now that feels a little bit less okay. So can you just touch on what the drivers would be on the incremental step ups if in fact, you feel comfortable with modeling that way? Thanks. Speaker 300:35:14Yeah, so we do feel comfortable modeling it out that way. It's not because, you know, it's first off, we said at the beginning of year, we're really not anticipating the market to really get better. The guidance we've provided sort of is based on where the market is now, recognizing that you can make a point that this market is slightly different than it was seven weeks ago, when we spoke. But, you know, we are we do and we do see, when we look at our models that we do have some incremental growth, you know, particularly, you know, at the back end of the year, and that's really more of a reflection of specific identified opportunities within the pipeline and some initiatives that we've made within the sales organization. And so we feel very good about it. Speaker 300:35:56It's as you know, leases have been relatively consistent. PAs, we can model that out based on, you know, on pull through and run rates, you know, for in a variety of different ways. It's really instruments of the hardest piece to forecast. And again, when we look at we do look at specific identified opportunities, you know, this tends to build the revenue later in the year. Do I think that that's based on, you know, a purchase decisions that are because the market's expected to prove improve? Speaker 300:36:27That's not how we've addressed this and modeling this out and discussing. Actually, you know, we do have a weekly call here with the commercial team where members of the accounting finance and operations team sits down with the commercial team, and we really do go opportunity by opportunity to understand, you know, where those specific, you know, sales can manifest itself. And that's a so that we can come to this call with the confidence that we've got the right guidance in front of investors. Speaker 200:36:53Yep. Okay. Thanks, Tom. Operator00:36:57Thank you. At this time, I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn it back to Maher for closing remarks. Speaker 200:37:07Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining us on today's call. We look forward to hearing speaking with all of you and hearing from you again on our next earnings call in a few months. Operator00:37:16Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Speaker 500:37:24Goodbye.Read morePowered by