AEye Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the AI Q1 twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jeremy Apple. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining AI's first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. With me today are Matt Fish, chief executive officer and Connor Tierney, chief financial officer. Earlier today, AI announced its financial results for the first quarter. A copy of this press release can be found on the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Before we begin, I would like to remind participants that today's discussion may include forward looking statements as defined in the securities laws and regulations of The United States with reference to future events, operating results, or financial performance, and such forward looking statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions regarding our business, the industry, and other conditions.

Speaker 1

These forward looking statements are subject to inherent risks, uncertainties, and changes in circumstances that are difficult or impossible to predict. Our actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward looking statements. We caution you, therefore, against placing undue reliance on any of these forward looking statements. You can find more information about the risks, uncertainties, and other factors in the reports AI files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including in the most recent periodic report. The statements to be made are as of today only, and AI does not intend to update any forward looking statements regardless of any new information, future developments, or otherwise, except as may be required by law.

Speaker 1

In addition, we will be discussing non GAAP financial measures on this call, which we believe are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business. These measures are presented as supplemental information only and should not be considered a substitute for financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. You can find reconciliations of these metrics to the most directly comparable GAAP measures within the press release. Now I'll pass the call over to Matt.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Jeremy, and thank you all for joining our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. We appreciate your continued support and interest in AI. Q1 was a quarter of significant momentum for AI. We reached a critical milestone with the first units of our Apollo LiDAR solution coming off the manufacturing line of our tier one supplier partner, LiDAR, a key achievement that demonstrates the maturity of Apollo and ultimately the path to mass production. I'll provide more detail on Apollo's progress shortly.

Speaker 2

Separately, we are in the final test and validation stage of our integration to NVIDIA DRIVE. We're also gaining traction with new customers and have continued to manage our burn rate well. At the same time, we're well positioned to navigate global market dynamics, especially as it relates to tariffs by continuing to prioritize supply chain flexibility and resilience. Before I dive into more detail, I want to acknowledge the remarkable progress our management team has made over the last eighteen months to get us to where we are today. When I stepped into the CEO role in early twenty twenty three, AI was a company with world class technology, but facing real challenges.

Speaker 2

We were pursuing too many markets and weren't fully committed to our capital light strategy, leading to a high burn rate and hindering our product maturity. This combined with delays in the automotive industry and declining access to institutional capital as the SPAC boom faded had the company on course for bankruptcy. We acted quickly and decisively to stabilize the business and set a clear path forward for sustainable growth. We first made a strategic pivot, focusing our resources on the automotive sector to develop a single high quality product for ADAS applications with the flexibility to serve adjacent markets. We also fully committed to the capital light model and began prioritizing strategic partnerships as a more efficient path to growth.

Speaker 2

Our new strategy has revitalized AI positioning the company for commercialization and long term stockholder value creation. We then restructured the business around our updated strategy by significantly cutting operating expenses by 75%. This included a nearly 60% reduction in headcount across all levels of the organization and a right sized executive team better aligned with our needs. We also renewed our focus by investing in engineering and product development, exited multiple unfavorable real estate and supply chain agreements, and consolidated our footprint around our Silicon Valley headquarters. These were difficult but necessary steps to ensure the long term sustainability of the company.

Speaker 2

Together, these actions reshaped AI into a leaner, more product focused organization, one that is better equipped to navigate macroeconomic uncertainty and adapt to industry change with a culture grounded in operational discipline, innovation, and high performance. In the past eighteen months, AI has achieved many significant strategic milestones, most notably successfully launching our Apollo sensor in under a year. That timeline is virtually unheard of in this industry and speaks volumes to the outstanding expertise and execution of our engineering and operations teams. Not only did we bring Apollo to market at incredible speed, but our teams have continued to innovate and deliver industry leading breakthroughs. Apollo has already demonstrated sensing performance at distances of up to one kilometer, an unparalleled capability that puts us well ahead of the curve.

Speaker 2

At the same time, we position AI to capitalize on the immense market opportunity in ADAS and autonomous driving. We evolved our partnership model to take direct ownership of customer relationships and deepen engagement with OEMs and key players in the automotive industry. We're now working closely with industry leaders like NVIDIA and our major OEM investor to support the platform shaping the future of mobility. Further, we are setting the pace by partnering with an automotive tier one supplier to manufacture Apollo, the only real path to scale for LiDAR in the automotive space. We are excited that Apollo is attracting the attention of OEMs, which strengthens our ability to access growth capital and execute our long term strategy.

Speaker 2

This growing interest in our technology is opening doors to expansion into key international markets and new sectors such as security, rail, and intelligent transportation systems. A key step in this global expansion has been our partnership with ATI, providing us access to the Chinese market, a leader in wider innovation and adoption. These are important value creating milestones that underpin our ability to attract additional growth capital as evidenced by the $24,000,000 we've successfully raised over the past fourteen months. The future for AI has never been brighter. With the right technology, strategy and team, I'm confident in our ability to lead our business forward and continue building our track record of execution.

Speaker 2

I'll now share some of our operational highlights for the quarter. As mentioned at the start of the call, the first Apollo units are now being produced by LightOn, marking a critical step toward high volume production. We believe partnering with a tier one manufacturer is the only path automotive OEMs will ultimately accept as they demand the highest levels of product quality and consistency that we believe can only be delivered at scale by an experienced supplier such as LiDAR. This alliance not only proves our ability to meet those standards, but also sets us apart in the LiDAR industry. Our success hasn't gone unnoticed.

Speaker 2

Competitors are beginning to realign their strategies to follow this automotive tier one partnership model. Through our manufacturing collaboration, we successfully completed Apollo's first B samples, which represent a level of maturity essential to the automotive OEM quoting process. These units are targeted for production deployment in non automotive markets as well. Reaching this stage in just a few months highlights our ability to execute in scale with speed and precision. We expect to begin delivering the first B samples to customers in the coming weeks.

Speaker 2

Moving on to our commercial updates. In February, we launched an Apollo customer outreach campaign, and since then, we've entered into technical engagements with over 20 potential customers. In this final evaluation phase, we are working with these customers to determine Apollo's use case to fit their needs. As the next step, we will deliver proof of concept Apollo samples to these customers for in application testing, which will inform larger purchasing decisions with meaningful near term revenue potential. Several proof of concept contracts are already in negotiation, with the process taking about six months to move from proof of concept to the start of scaled customer deployment.

Speaker 2

These engagements are extending beyond automotive, and we are reaching potential customers in traffic management, airport safety, rail safety, and other sectors that demand precision sensing over long distances. The key advantage lies in our software defined LiDAR, which allows us to address a wide variety of use cases with minimal effort. Apollo's flexibility enables us to engage dozens of customers across different markets without increasing overall spending. Apollo can be modified in a matter of days, not weeks or months, making it a singular solution that can seamlessly fit into various applications. This capability significantly accelerates our customers development timelines, offering a clear edge in both speed and cost efficiency.

Speaker 2

Our progress with NVIDIA and integration into their ADAS ecosystem is proceeding well, and Apollo has entered their final independent testing phase. We look forward to announcing more details later this quarter. Furthermore, we are excited to hear about NVIDIA's recent announcement of a major new OEM partnership driving increased momentum for AI and industry interest in ADAS overall. Now I'd like to address the resilience of our supply chain and how we are positioned to withstand the impacts from potential tariffs. Thanks in large part to our Tier one partnership, as well as our collaboration with ATI, we've established a highly adaptable and globally diversified supply chain that can navigate an evolving geopolitical landscape.

Speaker 2

With manufacturing capabilities in The US, Mexico, Western Europe and Asia, we can strategically position production to help mitigate the impact of tariffs, giving us a key advantage in supporting our long term stability. In closing, we're accelerating the execution of our strategic priorities to drive commercial success for Apollo as we capitalize on growing demand for LiDAR from global OEMs. With a solid cash position, a capital light model and effective cost management, we've built a strong foundation for the year ahead. Additionally, a resilient supply chain helps ensure that we can navigate the current landscape and continue to meet customer needs effectively. We're excited to share more updates, including new industry partnerships and the first Apollo LiDAR deployments later this year.

Speaker 2

With that, I will turn the call over to Conor to provide more color on our financial performance.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt. I'd like to begin by adding to Matt's comments on the progress that AI has made since early twenty twenty three. It's not an exaggeration to say that the company has undergone a financial transformation in the past eighteen months. We addressed unfavorable cost dynamics by simplifying our supply chain, reducing overhead, and streamlining manufacturing to unify around single product, Apollo. Through our capital light model, we have built the lowest cost structure since AI went public, putting us on a path towards sustainable growth.

Speaker 3

We've continued to leverage market enthusiasm for our technology to access growth capital, raising an additional $13,000,000 in the first quarter, bringing our total capital raised to $24,000,000 over the past fourteen months. This is a particularly impressive feat to have accomplished, and one of the most challenging capital markets in decades. We ended the quarter with $25,900,000 in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities, securing our cash runway into mid-twenty twenty six. We're pleased to announce that we've resolved our lease dispute, which arose in 2024 as a result of our exit from an unfavorable real estate agreement. Through this resolution, we successfully mitigated our potential cash liability exposure from $6,400,000 to $1,400,000.

Speaker 3

Now that Apollo is ready for prime time, we kicked off our new customer funnel process, leading to a targeted outreach to a diverse set of potential customers. As Matt mentioned earlier, we are currently in advanced negotiations on several proof of concept contracts, marking an important step forward towards commercialization. Software definability and adaptability are our secret sauce, making the Apollo sensor highly reconfigurable for different scenarios and offering unmatched flexibility well beyond traditional radar, camera, and LiDAR systems. We're seeing intelligent transportation systems and security as early standout opportunities where Apollo has a clear edge. With reliable detection up to one kilometer, it requires fewer sensors, which should reduce installation, maintenance, and operational costs.

Speaker 3

And Apollo consistently delivers superior performance in low light and adverse weather conditions, providing a cost effective alternative to traditional night vision systems. To put this in perspective, for new markets and applications in the nonautomotive space, we don't see ourselves competing directly with traditional LiDAR, given that other LiDAR implementations aren't capable of achieving Apollo's level of performance. In addition, we're expanding the market by displacing applications that use radar and camera systems, as it's increasingly clear that these traditional sensors cannot meet the evolving and more complex needs of end users. I'll now move on to slide eight to address our cash burn and capital light model. Excluding financing costs, first quarter cash burn was $8,000,000 which includes $3,100,000 of one time payroll spend.

Speaker 3

Due to seasonality, we typically see higher cash burn in the first quarter and expect it to come down in subsequent quarters. Our nimble cost structure remains a key differentiator, with both GAAP operating expenses and free cash flow burn significantly lower than our peers. In fact, some competitors incur as much as 12 times higher annual operating expenses. This efficient model gives us a clear advantage, enabling us to navigate the current macroeconomic environment with greater resilience than the competition. Now turning to our first quarter's financial results on slide nine.

Speaker 3

First quarter's GAAP operating expenses were $6,800,000 down sequentially from $9,000,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. This was primarily due to lower compensation expenses and a favorable non cash adjustment related to the reduction in our lease liabilities following the resolution of our lease dispute. First quarter's non GAAP operating expenses were $6,000,000 an $800,000 decrease from the prior quarter, due primarily to lower personnel expenses, partially offset by increased professional fees and R and D spend. We reported a GAAP net loss of $8,000,000 or $0.46 per share in the first quarter versus a GAAP net loss of $8,500,000 or $0.93 per share in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. The decrease in GAAP net loss was primarily due to the lease liability non cash adjustment discussed above, which was partially offset by increased financing costs associated with a convertible note, of which a large portion were non cash transaction costs.

Speaker 3

On a non GAAP basis, our net loss was $5800000.0.00 $33 per share in the first quarter, compared to a non GAAP net loss of $6,300,000 or $0.69 per share in the prior quarter. Net cash used for operating activities increased to $7,800,000 in the first quarter from $4,800,000 in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. As we mentioned on our last call, this expected sequential increase was attributable to seasonal factors, such as one time payroll related costs. Again, we closed the first quarter with $25,900,000 of cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities. Total potential liquidity, which includes cash on hand and our ELOC and ATM facilities, is now approximately $74,000,000 Moving on to our cash burn outlook on slide 10.

Speaker 3

We now expect full year 2025 cash burn to be in the range of $27,000,000 to $29,000,000 up from our prior estimate of $25,000,000 The increase reflects costs related to the resolution of our lease dispute, and if we elect to repay certain obligations in cash. Importantly, our underlying operational cash burn remains unchanged. Excluding litigation related expenses, our cash burn is consistent with previous expectations. Overall, we started 2025 with strong momentum, and are excited to continue our significant progress throughout the year. Our relentless efforts to raise capital and rapidly develop Apollo have provided us with a robust platform to attract customers.

Speaker 3

We remain laser focused on utilizing Apollo's superior performance to pursue new customer opportunities and continue expanding our market share. With that, I'll pass it back to Matt to wrap things up.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Conor. In closing, Q1 was all about execution. We achieved key product development milestones, started the first Apollo manufacturing line and engaged new customers to bring us closer to capturing significant revenue opportunities. With Apollo ready for market, we are well positioned to drive growth, not only in automotive, but also across industries where performance, programmability and reliability are critical. Thanks for your time today.

Speaker 2

We'll now open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Thank you. We will take our first question. Your first question comes from the line of Poufraat from Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

Operator

Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi, good afternoon. Just to clarify on the litigation, the real estate litigation, was that a first quarter event or is that going to be a second quarter event? And then also the timing on the convert potential cash pay on the convert, will that be you know, when when do you think that'll be decided?

Speaker 3

Hey, Paul. How's it going? I I can answer those questions. This is Connor here. So I'll ask I'll answer the first question first.

Speaker 3

On the lease, we actually, trued up the liability in q one. So that was a a gap true up that you'll see coming through coming through the financial statements. You'll see we took the liability down, but the actual cash payout itself will hit in q two. So you'll see that come through, in the q two, cash burn numbers. In terms of the convertible note, payable over fifteen months.

Speaker 3

And so, the first payment became due in April. And so we have the ability to settle the note in cash, our equity. That's at our discretion, and so we've now paid, the first two payments, in cash. Now there is an acceleration as well That can can do at least one acceleration per month, which they've chosen to do as well. So the short short answer is we basically paid two months in cash, and there has been some acceleration in the form of equity as well.

Speaker 4

Great, Connor. Then when you look at your cash burn over the rest of the year, you're saying it's going to trend down. Can you give me an appreciation for how it trends down? Is it like a half million a quarter, half million to a million a quarter as far as so that you exit the year closer to 6,500,000.0 on a cash burn run rate? Yeah.

Speaker 3

Like, a normalized run rate for us is about 5,000,000 per quarter. Now we're expecting q two to be slightly higher because we do have that lease settlement liability that we need to take care of. So that's probably gonna be about 6,000,000 ish, but then we should start trending down to about a 5,000,000 run rate there in q three and into q four.

Speaker 4

Great. And

Speaker 3

ahead. So, we think we've baked in everything on the demand side for Apollo, but obviously, if volume starts to ramp, then there might be more investment needed in supply chain and also in manufacturing, but that's obviously a high class problem to have.

Speaker 4

Yeah. And you sort of hit the next question from a, you know, 40,000 foot level. You're in the final stages of, you know, of getting, you know, through the integration issue or, you know, integration test with NVIDIA. When do you anticipate that? You said by the end of the second quarter.

Speaker 4

And then can you help me appreciate what that actually means for the scaling of manufacturing?

Speaker 3

So I'm going to turn that over to Matt. Has a close relationship NVIDIA, so I think he's probably best suited to address that.

Speaker 2

Yeah. Hey, Paolo. Yeah. Thanks, Connor. Absolutely take that.

Speaker 2

Look, there's two steps in the process of Nvidia. The first is to get all the software communicating between our sensor and their ecosystem. That's done. Then they go through what we call an independent test phase, to view them as an independent body to validate the performance of our sensor before making particular recommendations to their OEM ecosystem. I think you should look at that as the sales part of the pipeline, right?

Speaker 2

So what completion of this integration process does it opens up NVIDIA's ecosystem and allows us to scale our conversations into more OEMs. It's not directly connected to the manufacturing process, right? Step one is video pitches us based on the results of the testing. And then we work on the contract and with the OEM side, and those contracts will determine how much we need to dial up for manufacturing. Where we think we stand today, we have enough inventory to deal with our anticipated short term demand, but we'll be watching the progress of those contracts closely so that we can dial up quickly if we need to.

Speaker 2

Light On is very adept at this process. They know they have a tremendous amount of supply chain leverage and they can dial it up or down very, very responsibly.

Speaker 4

And so Matt, you have enough inventory. Would does that imply that we're probably not going to see anything this year as far as scaling up manufacturing? Or can you give me a little more color on sort of the potential timing of that scaling?

Speaker 2

Yes, we'd like to see a bit more of the customers run through this pipeline first before we start talking about guidance. And I'll let Connor chime in on that in a bit. But, you know, essentially, we will expect to see some ramp this year, for sure.

Speaker 4

And then the non Sorry.

Speaker 3

Sorry, Paul, just to add there. The great thing about our manufacturing partner is it's extremely flexible relationship. You know, with with some CMs, right, there's a minimum order volume that you need to give to them. We don't have the same constraints with the Centimeters, and that gives us a lot of flexibility so we can dial up, dial down the line or short notice. So that's why we're not overly worried about scaling up because we'd have that flexibility.

Speaker 3

And then just the last thing I want to hit on, I guess I should have mentioned it earlier, on the lease dispute, I just want to go back a second and just make sure it's absolutely clear. Right, cash burn is going to go up in the near term, but if you think about it overall, we've mitigated the exposure from $6,400,000 to $1,400,000 so that's monumental for the company. Right? If you think about it, when this lease was entered into, it was a $20,000,000 commitment, and that's been like a noose around our heads. And we've worked really diligently since Matt's come on board to to get out of that lease, and we've finally been able to do it.

Speaker 3

And I think that's really gonna provide a great foundation for the company. And then, obviously, this was a big distraction for the team. We've now put that behind us, so we can obviously focus on the product and customer execution and all those things that we should be focused on.

Speaker 2

Hey, Connor, also, I know time like the present, but Poe, I appreciate the question. And we're also pleased to announce that a couple of these contracts have been closed. So we're already had a couple of those customers come out of the pipeline. And, you know, we're really pleased to talk about, you know, a couple of statements of work that we've signed for two POC, proof of concept type deployments. One of them is in the intelligent transportation systems, and the other is in the defense market.

Speaker 2

So we're looking forward to sharing more details about those in the coming weeks here. But we are ready to talk about the fact that in that pipeline, we've now closed two of those contracts.

Speaker 4

Sorry, Matt, are you talking about the pipeline of roughly in the non auto business? Sounds like that.

Speaker 2

That's right. Right as one of the challenges we've had is the timing on the OEM side, we don't set that timing the OEMs have. And so I think the way you look at this is we're diversifying a bit, latency and the amount of time it goes to start proof of concept, and then ramp production is shorter than the timeline we're seeing in automotive. So we are diversifying a bit. And we're able to do that now because Apollo is our single platform, single product, and we're able to use that same product in both markets.

Speaker 2

Again, due to that software programmability that we believe is fairly unique with us, we're able to do that without any product changes on the hardware side.

Speaker 3

Just to add to Matt's point, I think the other important thing here, Poe, is that we're still keeping true to our capital light business model and our partnerships model. And so if you think about this nonautomotive business, it's a little bit different than automotive. End customer expects a fully bundled solution. So they expect the sensor, they expect the perception software, the compute box, and the visualization dashboards, analytics platforms, all of those things. And so what we're doing is we're partnering with partners for perception, for visualization, dashboards, all of those things.

Speaker 3

And the great thing about that strategy is that those partners have been around for decades. They already have preexisting relationships in the market. So we're just tapping into an ecosystem that's already in place. We think that's really gonna accelerate our go to market strategy. And so I'd say we're really an enabler from that point of view.

Speaker 3

So that's what we're really excited about that we can get into the market in an accelerated manner, keeping true to our capital light business model.

Speaker 4

And could you give me appreciation for the scale or the size of the market, auto versus non auto? Clearly the sales cycle shorter so that you don't have as many hurdles from the validation standpoint to get through. But the size of the market, can you just sort of discuss the relative sizes of both markets?

Speaker 3

Yeah, maybe I could talk to that to a certain extent. Obviously, the automotive market is huge, There's 90,000,000 passenger vehicles that are sold every year, so obviously that's where the volumes are going to come from. But if you think about all these different markets, there's also huge opportunities as well. Matt listed out a few of them, but even just the ITS sector alone, I think that's a $20,000,000,000 TAM unity, not just for LiDAR obviously, but for all the different sensor modalities. So that's a tremendous opportunity there.

Speaker 3

I think the key difference is obviously automotive, you're going to have higher volumes on the non automotive side, the volumes are going to be a little bit smaller, but at the same time, the price point is going to be higher. And so there's that kind of trade off. And if you think about our model overall, it doesn't take a lot to get us to profitability and you know we're talking about a $25,000,000 burn rate, so it doesn't take a lot of wins to get us to profitability, We obviously have two in the bag right now and we're working on 20 plus more, so that's why we're feeling really confident here in terms of just outlook, our ability to penetrate the market and ultimately get the profitability at a sooner clip than everybody else.

Speaker 4

Great. I appreciate that. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 2

Thanks so much, Bill. Appreciate it. Thank

Operator

There seems to be no further questions at this time. I would like to hand back for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Hey, thanks so much, Heidi. And thank you all again for joining our call today. We look forward to providing further updates on our progress in our second quarter call. Thanks, and have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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