AMC Networks Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the AMC Networks First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Nick Sievert, Senior Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Nicholas Seibert
Nicholas Seibert
SVP - Corporate Development & Investor Relations at AMC Networks

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to the AMC Networks First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Joining us this morning are Kristen Gollin, Chief Executive Officer Patrick O'Connell, Chief Financial Officer Kim Kelleher, Chief Commercial Officer and Dan McDermott, President of Entertainment and AMC Studios. Today's press release is available on our website at amcnetworks.com. We will begin with prepared remarks, and then we'll open the call for questions.

Nicholas Seibert
Nicholas Seibert
SVP - Corporate Development & Investor Relations at AMC Networks

Today's call may include certain forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any such forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. Please refer to AMC Networks SEC filings for a discussion of risks and uncertainties. The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward looking statements made on this call today. We will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures.

Nicholas Seibert
Nicholas Seibert
SVP - Corporate Development & Investor Relations at AMC Networks

The required definitions and reconciliations can be found in today's press release. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Kristen.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Thanks, Nick. Good morning, everyone. It was eighteen months ago on this call that we first talked about programming, partnership and profitability as our three major areas of focus in running this business. Since then, I've been proud of our performance overall and particularly in these three categories, especially in a time of uncertainty and change. Every media company today is trying to find its own path forward in a world that is increasingly complex.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Our path is focused on the clear advantages we have in this moment and in the future. We make great shows. We're nimble and independent with the freedom to experiment and evolve. And our strong distinct brands are home to some of the most passionate fandoms in entertainment. Our continued focus on profitability is driven by the strategic and disciplined steps we've taken to reimagine this company, while prioritizing the generation of free cash flow.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

As a reminder, last quarter, we revised our two year cumulative free cash flow guidance upward to $550,000,000 over the twenty four-twenty five period. I'm pleased to report that we're off to a strong start this year, generating $94,000,000 in free cash flow in the quarter. In terms of distribution, we believe our strategic advantages in this or any environment are that we are fast moving, opportunistic and able to deliver products that create value for our company as well as for our partners. For example, we developed an ad supported version of AMC plus in part to give our partners additional flexibility in how their customers connect to our high quality programming. That product is now part of our long term affiliation agreement with Charter, serving both their desire to bundle streaming value into their existing video service and our own goal of expanding access to our shows and films.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

We're already seeing an excellent response to AMC plus from charter subscribers as we did when we launched an integrated version of AMC plus on Philo last year. We continue to meet advertiser demand for our programming and brands while also making our services available to the broadest possible audience. As previously announced, later this year, we will be launching an ad supported version of Shutter, the world's best service for horror fans. We're also launching a new fast channel, Acorn TV Mysteries, to drive interest and awareness in this beloved streaming service focused on thrilling mysteries and crime dramas from around the world. This fast channel will raise the visibility of the Acorn streaming service, promote sampling of our content, and for the first time, give advertisers early access to Acorn's loyal and highly engaged audience.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

We've made significant progress in partnership with Comcast Technology Solutions to standardize and modernize the back end support for our content distribution. This important and ongoing work will support our goal of meeting viewers wherever they are, while accelerating our time to market, enhancing cost predictability and ensuring we are supported by the most advanced efficient technologies available. On the topic of partnerships, I do want to mention our recent upfront content showcase in New York. This year, we expanded the events include our most important partners across advertising, distribution and technology, giving them exposure to the great slate of content we will be releasing in the coming months. It was a meaningful moment for the company and an approach we plan to continue in the years ahead.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

In our upfront conversations, we're seeing strong interest in the new AMCN outcomes attribution product and have added new data sources that expand the categories of advertisers who can benefit from this technology. We've also announced several exciting new integrated marketing offers, including an innovative branding opportunity with Sphere as part of our annual Fear Fest programming event. I'll end with our high quality premium programming and the vibrant franchises that drive everything we do, particularly as a company with a studio able to create lasting value by developing, owning and distributing distinctive IP. This quarter, we saw the celebrated series Dark Winds return for a third season, once again earning high praise from critics and fans. The series delivered a premier night audience of approximately 2,200,000 viewers with direct to consumer acquisition on AMC plus up significantly from the prior season.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

The show has the incredibly rare distinction of a 100% score on Rotten Tomatoes for all three seasons. Dark Winds is currently in production on season four and we see a very long life for this series that has become a franchise unto itself, led by star and executive producer Zahn McLarnan, who is already generating Emmy buzz. Just last week, The Dead City returned for its second season with an international promotional push that generated significant attention and delighted the active and engaged fans of this franchise. AMC plus saw its biggest single day of direct to consumer subscriber acquisition since last year's Season two premiere of The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon. Later this year, Norman Reedus and Melissa McBride will return for a third season of Daryl.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Also along the way this year is an important expansion of our Anne Rice Immortal Universe. A third series will feature the Tallamasca, a secretive organization that has been present in both Interview with the Vampire and Mayfair Witches. The Secret Order will serve as a bit of a through line connecting all three shows while being bold and distinctive in its own right. Interview and Mayfair are preparing third seasons that will take the storytelling in exciting new directions next year. We recently announced a new franchise in development called Great American Stories.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Each season of this anthology series will be devoted to a different classic novel, play or moment in history that is distinctly American. We're planning a first season around The Grapes of Wrath, the John Steinbeck classic that is as timely and relevant today as when it was published in 1939. More to come on this exciting concept, which has already generated strong interest in the creative community. We're currently in production on a new series called The Audacity from talented writer Jonathan Glatzer that we'll bring to viewers next year. This series set in Silicon Valley has a stellar cast led by Billy Magnussen and including Sarah Goldberg, Simon Helberg, Rob Cordray, and the unique talent that is Zach Galifianakis.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Our targeted streaming services, which are built to super serve fans of specific programming genres for a reasonable price remain a strong differentiator for us. Acorn TV, the home of thrilling crime dramas and engaging mysteries has new shows on the way from beloved stars Alicia Silverstone and Brooke Shields, along with an expanding slate of returning originals. Last week, we launched a new month long programming event on Acorn called Murder Mystery May. Similar to AMC's popular and long running Fear Fest, this event offers Acorn's loyal fans a packed month of new shows and continuing franchises like Harry Wylde, Murdoch Mysteries, The Brokenwood Mysteries and many more. Shudder continues to cement its reputation as the premier service for horror fans.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Later this year, we'll debut a new competition reality show from Greg Nicotero called Guts and Glory shot on the set of The Walking Dead in the woods of Georgia. I also want to call out WE TV, which continues to serve up some of the most entertaining and conversation sparking franchises on television. The success of Love After Lockup helped to make WE TV a top cable network with women on Friday nights and is enormously popular on streaming, in CTV and Fast, everywhere we have aired this real life prison and relationship drama. Mama June delivers viewers season after season and relative newcomer Toya and Reginae has also become a breakout hit returning for its second season in the quarter and growing viewers in key demos from season one. Our film group, which is seeing significant success across theaters, EST and our own streaming platforms, just rebranded under a new name, IFC Entertainment Group.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

This banner includes the independent film company, IFC Center, RLJ films and Shudder. Our newest release Clown in a Cornfield is already generating significant buzz from horror fans and premieres tonight in theaters. This is just a snapshot of what we're doing in programming, furthering the vibrant franchises we are building and level of creative talent with whom we work. We're proud of our continued strong commitment to quality and of the kinds of shows and stories we're bringing to fans even during a time of change and transformation in our industry. I want to thank you all for your time this morning and for your continued interest in AMC Networks.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Now I'll turn the call over to Patrick for a more detailed look at our financial results.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Thank you, Kristen. As a nimble and innovative premium programmer, we continue to focus on what is in our control amidst continuing linear headwinds and recent macroeconomic uncertainty. This includes the reorientation of our business around free cash flow generation, investing in our valuable and sought after IP and franchise expansion and maintaining flexibility across the operating business and the capital structure. We are pleased with our first quarter results, particularly regarding free cash flow, which was $94,000,000 in the quarter. We remain solidly on track to achieve our outlook of approximately $220,000,000 of free cash flow for the full year.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Consolidated net revenue declined 7% year over year to $555,000,000 Consolidated AOI declined 30% to $104,000,000 with a 19% margin. Adjusted EPS was $0.52 I'll now discuss our segment results. Domestic operations revenue decreased 7% to $486,000,000 Subscription revenue decreased 3% due to a 12% decline in affiliate revenue and was partly offset by streaming revenue growth of 8%. With the launch of ad supported AMC plus on Charter at the March, we felt it was important to refine certain aspects of our streaming subscriber and subscription revenue definitions. Therefore, customers who receive our services as part of a video package that also includes our linear networks are no longer included in our streaming subscriber count.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

This includes Charter Spectrum TV Select and FILO customers who would have been counted as subscribers under our prior definition. While these customers will no longer be included in our streaming subscriber count, they are important to us as we employ our partner focused distribution strategy. We expect to provide further updates over time regarding the trending of these customers to ensure a holistic picture of AMC's programming distribution. Recast historical streaming subscribers can be found in the earnings release we issued today. Regarding revenue, to ensure consistency, we've made commensurate changes to our affiliate and streaming revenue definitions.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Our affiliate revenue component now includes revenue from distributors that provide their customers access to our streaming services through a video package that also includes our linear networks. Our streaming revenue component is now entirely composed of a la carte subscription streaming revenue. The impact of prior period streaming and affiliate revenue is not material. These definitional refinements better reflect how our networks and services are typically sold to our affiliate partners on a package basis as part of an affiliation agreement, and more importantly, provide a clean apples to apples comparison of our high value intent driven streaming subscriber base to our reported streaming revenue. In terms of streaming subscribers for the quarter, under our new subscriber definition, we ended the quarter with 10,200,000 streaming subscribers, flat as compared to the prior year.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Subscribers declined slightly as compared to 10,400,000 subscribers at the end of twenty twenty four. The sequential decrease reflects our continued focus on higher quality subscribers, which was realized through the implementation of tighter credit standards for new sign ups across our DTC and partner acquisition funnels, as well as the timing and cadence of our content slate and subscriber acquisition marketing. We are already seeing the benefits of the further strengthening of our subscriber base with strong retention and engagement across the portfolio. In the first quarter, we saw a year over year improvement in retention. And in terms of engagement, we saw a sequential double digit increase in viewership hours per subscriber.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

We're pleased with the value that our services continue to offer, and we successfully implemented rate initiatives at AMC plus and All Black in the quarter. In April, we implemented a $2 rate event at Shutter, and we'll implement a $1 increase at both ACORN and High Dive in the second and third quarters, respectively. We expect streaming revenue growth to accelerate as the year progresses and as the benefits of rate activity, new series debuts and opportunistic acquisition and retention marketing compound. Moving to domestic operations advertising revenue. Advertising revenue decreased 15% year over year, primarily due to lower linear ratings.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

We are part of the same challenging ad markets as everyone else, but we remain encouraged by the strength of our programming and our significant advanced and digital advertising capabilities. While there's been a recent uptick in macroeconomic uncertainty broadly, we remain highly engaged with our advertising partners and we are not seeing meaningful indicators that suggest a material pullback. Content licensing revenue was $54,000,000 for the quarter, reflecting the timing and availability of deliveries in the period. Licensing revenues are often lumpy due to the timing of new deals and delivery schedules. And as a reminder, we continue to anticipate approximately $250,000,000 of domestic operations content licensing revenue for the full year.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Domestic operations AOI was $124,000,000 for the quarter, representing a decrease of 24%. The decrease in AOI was largely driven by the continued linear revenue headwinds, increased SG and A including marketing expenses and partly offset by lower programming expense. Moving to our International segment. First quarter international revenue of $70,000,000 decreased 7%. Subscription revenue decreased 12% due to the nonrenewal with Movistar in Spain that occurred in the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Advertising revenue increased 5% due to increased ratings and digital and advanced advertising growth in The U. K, partly offset by lower advertising revenues across our other European markets. International AOI for the first quarter decreased 26% to $10,000,000 with a 14% margin. The decrease in AOI was largely attributable to lower subscription revenue. Moving to the balance sheet.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

We remain focused on our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with net debt of $1,500,000,000 and a consolidated net leverage ratio of 2.9 times. We have no bond maturities until 2029, a healthy cash position and more than $1,000,000,000 of total liquidity. We appreciate the flexibility and optionality of our meaningful cash balance. We continue to believe that our securities will present attractive opportunities for us to deploy cash opportunistically across the capital structure to create equity value.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

In April, we capitalized on volatility in the capital markets through open market repurchases of our 4.25% senior unsecured notes due 2029. We repurchased $32,000,000 of bonds for approximately $23,000,000 or roughly 71% of face value and captured approximately $9,000,000 of discount. Our capital allocation philosophy remains prudent and opportunistic. First, we look to support the business by creating and acquiring compelling programming that resonates with our audiences, while maintaining healthy levels of cash flow generation. Second, we remain focused on continually improving our balance sheet by reducing gross debt and optimizing our capital structure.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Lastly, M and A, share repurchases and dividends remain further down our priority list. I'll now summarize and reiterate our 2025 outlook. We continue to expect free cash flow of approximately $220,000,000 consolidated revenue of approximately $2,300,000,000 reflecting continued linear headwinds, partially offset by profitable streaming and digital growth, and consolidated AOI in the range of 400,000,000 to $420,000,000 We continue to anticipate year over year increase in technical and operating expenses, including approximately $10,000,000 of expenses related to our technology outsourcing transformation, as well as increased SG and A expenses driven by streaming related marketing. We acknowledge that a lot has changed in the few short months since we issued our 2025 outlook. It's still early in the year and the geography of certain revenue and expense items may shift as the year progresses.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

From where we sit, we haven't seen anything suggesting any meaningful impacts for our business, but we remain vigilant. We are well capitalized with a large cash balance and no immediate financing needs. We continue to take a long range view of the business and are managing AMC Networks with a clear strategic plan centered around programming, partnerships and profitability. At the same time, we are nimble and adaptable when and where we need to be. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Certainly. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. And our first question will be coming from Thomas Yee of Morgan Stanley. Thomas, your line is open.

Thomas Yeh
Thomas Yeh
Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley

Thank you so much and good morning. Can you tell us a bit more about the streaming subscribers coming in through the bundled video packages? What's the uptake so far on Spectrum TV? And are you seeing any risk of cannibalization on the a la carte side? And maybe just a clarification on the affiliate revenues.

Thomas Yeh
Thomas Yeh
Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley

Is it a variable source of revenues based on sign up? Any color there that would be helpful.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

I'll take the first one, Thomas. Good morning. So on the streaming front, actually we're very happy with the way things are going with Charter and as we've spoken about in the past, our integration with Philo last year. So Charter has a good sense of what they anticipate the take rates and importantly the authentication for anybody that has access to the embedded streaming services within their platform. And so we're tracking exactly where we wanted to be.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

So we're really happy with that as are they. To your second question, Patrick, is there?

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Yes, sure. Specifically on cannibalization, Thomas, I would say, listen, we are taking we are small and obviously we are taking a partner approach to our distribution. That means through existing partners and new partners. Obviously, we've got long standing relationships with Charter, Comcast, Dish, DirecTV, etcetera, all of our traditional MVPD distributors. And we see incredible value in us expanding the distribution of our content.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

We think this is going to create a much healthier video ecosystem. You could go so far as to say we're sort of kind of Charter members of Charter's vision for improved video ecosystem. We think this will one, improve the video experience for customers broadly. We think it will help distribution partners as well in terms of packaging broadband or wireless with value enhanced video offerings. And we think it creates just a healthier programming distribution ecosystem kind of more broadly.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

We actually think that over time this is going to present additional revenue opportunities for the company, in the form of upselling customers from an ad supported product to a premium product. We think it will generate additional viewership and engagement of which we can drive additional advertising revenue. And we think it will also get in sort of success, in healthier ecosystem and slightly reduced cord cutting, will create a more solid foundation of sort of affiliate revenue going forward as well. So we're taking a long term view here, but we think there's a ton of upside in this strategy.

Thomas Yeh
Thomas Yeh
Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley

Thanks.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

The third part of your question there in terms of like the nature of the economics, I would say this is a really fluid environment we're operating in, right? We've signed a couple of these deals. Each one is a bit different. Each one is a bit bespoke. So I don't think it's worth getting into sort of the microeconomics of each specific deal.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Suffice to say that we wanted to make sure that we were very clear in terms of streaming revenue being driven by our new streaming subscriber definition. And so that should make comparisons, I think, more valuable in terms of, ARPU, churn, etcetera. So you'll have sort of clean numbers going forward.

Thomas Yeh
Thomas Yeh
Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley

Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe just the last one, Patrick, you mentioned no meaningful indicators yet on the macro related concerns for the ad market. Can you maybe just help us think through the year over year comparisons on ad declines through the balance of the year? Is there potential incremental tailwinds from some of the factors that you just mentioned as an offset to some of the linear declines?

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Yeah. Sure. I mean, listen, Thomas, maybe what I'll do is I'll start with kind of our initial expectations for the year and sort of juxtapose kind of Q1 performance versus that, help break out sort of linear and digital. I think that would be sort of the way to attack this. I think listen, the linear market remains challenged, right?

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

That's sort of well understood. Our performance on linear is almost entirely a function of the ratings environment. That is very similar dynamic to last year in terms of the split between ratings and what we call kind of marketplace or pricing. That's pretty that's been consistent on the linear side year over year. And in fact in Q1 linear was frankly a little bit stronger than we had expected.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Obviously, overall domestic advertising revenue was down 15%. I would say the underperformance there was just due to softness on the digital side. We're seeing the exact same trends as everyone else in terms of a lot more additional supply in the market kind of putting pressure on price, putting pressure on fill rates as well. So that was sort of the underperformance that we noted in the quarter. As far as the balance of the year goes, listen, it's a fluid market.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

These dollars, especially on the digital side, they move fast, they can come in, they can come out. We're really pleased with the reception that our programming has received in the market, most recently at our upfront that continues to resonate. We hear from partners on a daily basis. And so we feel that with the tools that we've given our partners in terms of kind of attribution and whatnot, we will be well positioned to kind of attack this market going forward.

Thomas Yeh
Thomas Yeh
Executive Director - Equity Research at Morgan Stanley

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question will be from David Joyce of Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open.

David Joyce
Senior Equity Analyst - Media Sector at Seaport Research Partners

Thank you. I guess just a couple more add ons there. I was just wondering how much of your advertising is coming from streaming at this point given that that's where some of the pressures are? Is it still in the low single digits portion of your advertising? And I was wondering on the international side when you would be lapping the subscription revenue issues from the Spanish drop? Thank you.

Kim Kelleher
Kim Kelleher
Chief Commercial Officer at AMC Networks

David, it's Kim. I'll take your first question on the streaming advertising. It delivers incremental overall revenue to our pool. However, it does give us, because of our genre based services, it gives us a great opportunity on the sponsorship side for integrated partnerships and an opportunity for marketers to really actually heavy hit the tip of the spear of the horror fans with the Shutter launch and with our AMC franchises. So it's part of an overall mix that drives actually significant dollars for the company overall.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

It's Kristen, I'll take the international question. So with MovieStar, not dissimilar to BT in The UK A Couple Years ago, they've completely changed their strategy and as of last fall said they no longer wanted to carry any linear services. Similar to BT, were probably one of the last ones that they had maintained. There's been some significant shifts in their senior over the past month or so and we continue to speak with them. But at the same time, our growth in the Spanish market with other partners has been significant.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

And so we anticipated this change. We have plans in place offset the revenue changes there and we're optimistic that we may have a different relationship with MovieStar going forward.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

And then just to add on that, on your financial question there, that happened at the end of the year 2024. So it's sort of a clean comp in terms of you're looking kind of year over year number one. Number two, this was built into our guidance. So it's not a change, in terms of how we're kind of attacking the year.

David Joyce
Senior Equity Analyst - Media Sector at Seaport Research Partners

Understood. And if I could just ask about the seasonality this year, are there any comparison challenges or benefits based on new originals coming on that impact revenue or the cost side of things?

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Yes, David, I'd call out one. I wouldn't call it seasonality. I'd call it more just kind of cash flow dynamics in terms of the production schedule. You will have noted the very healthy free cash flow generation in Q1. I think the free cash flow generation is going to be kind of front loaded this year towards the first half, partly because we've got more production lined up in the back half.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

And in terms of the specific working capital dynamics, obviously, there's some additional headwinds kind of below the line from increased interest expense. So we don't have the tax benefits that we recognized in the first half of last year. Those have been mostly offset by working capital kind of grab backs or the guys we've been able to to find this year. So that's the only I think kind of noteworthy seasonality aspect to the kind of the income statement that I think is worth calling out at this point.

David Joyce
Senior Equity Analyst - Media Sector at Seaport Research Partners

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Your line is open, Steven.

Steven Cahall
Steven Cahall
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Thank you. First, Patrick, maybe to just follow-up on some of the seasonality questions. So I think revenue in Q1 was down a little weaker than what you've guided to for the year. Where do you expect that revenue acceleration to come from as we get through the balance of the year? Is that from streaming as you start to put through some of those price actions that you talked about?

Steven Cahall
Steven Cahall
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Is it some of the lumpiness to the content schedule for advertising? So just helping us maybe shape the year on revenue a little bit. And then I'd love to revisit the ad market. I think what we've heard kind of to sum up from the peer group this week is that there's definitely some of that digital weakness. Tough to tell what's going to happen in linear, some caution, but as you say, kind of not downright challenges quite yet.

Steven Cahall
Steven Cahall
Analyst at Wells Fargo

I guess following up, how much of the business do you think is exposed to some of these digital trends? And as you start to get into the upfront, do you think you can firm up some of the linear stuff to offset that? Would just love to kind of get a sense of how you broadly think about your advertising revenue growth expectations for the year versus maybe where you started last quarter? Thank you.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Great. Hey, Stephen, it's Patrick. I'll take the first and Kim will take the second. In terms of the cadence of the revenue over the balance of the year, you've effectively answered your own question, which is with the pricing pieces we put through on the streaming side in Q1, and we've got a couple more price actions to take in Q2 and Q3 as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. That's going to compound over time.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

And so you'll see an acceleration of streaming revenue growth throughout the year. The streaming revenue growth that we articulated as part of the guidance was largely predicated on pricing as opposed to volume, obviously looking to grow both, but it was more pricing heavy. And to date the pricing actions you put through have taken extraordinarily well. So in line with expectations, and so we feel really good about that. And then the second piece of the equation is obviously content licensing.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

It was a little bit lighter this quarter. We had frankly a large deal move from Q1 to Q2. So you'll see that kind of rebound over the balance of the year. I wouldn't call it seasonality as much as I would just call it just the nature of the content licensing beast. But I think those are the two factors I'd call out in terms of the revenue acceleration over the balance of the year.

Kim Kelleher
Kim Kelleher
Chief Commercial Officer at AMC Networks

Hi, Stephen. I would definitely agree with our peer group in expressing that uncertainty in the marketplace. It is here, but it is not new. We've all been navigating these uncertain times since the pandemic. I feel like specific to your questions, we have a highly trained sales organization at AMC that's in place to navigate these changes and fluctuations in an ongoing way.

Kim Kelleher
Kim Kelleher
Chief Commercial Officer at AMC Networks

As Patrick mentioned, we're seeing real strength in our direct sales and our programmatic sold business through Q1 specifically, but that influx of supply is putting pressure on price for the marketplace overall. We're feeling very confident about our premium content, the shows that are coming, our advanced advertising capabilities that we've worked on for the last four years in earnest. And that continues to separate us from the crowded market, and it's delivering very unique value to our advertising customers. I think our goal is to focus on our viewers first strategy, which is to make sure our viewers can watch our content wherever and whenever they want on any device at any time. So from this vantage point, I would say the increase in the inventory is actually a good thing showing viewership shifts into areas like FAST and AVOD, areas that we fully embraced as a company from a distribution standpoint.

Kim Kelleher
Kim Kelleher
Chief Commercial Officer at AMC Networks

I think the only other thing I'd just say is we're the impact of what we're seeing is something we're really trying to insulate ourselves against. And we're working very, very closely with our television distribution partners on making more and more of our linear inventory, DAI enabled, which means digitally enabled, which actually this growth allows us to continue to let our content scale and digitally monetize against what has traditionally been a linear monetization environment. So we are sticking to the plan and anticipate being able to navigate this bumpiness.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

And maybe just to take it up for a macro second. Here are two macro levels, Stephen, a second. It's like just to reiterate, our streaming products are profitable. And to Kim's point about digital, we go through it a lot, but people don't always remember. We have 19 fast channels, 136 feeds on 12 different platforms.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

So if you integrate that with the existing ad supported streaming services in AMC plus and soon Shutter and the others following behind that, we just keep expanding our capacity for digital advertising and then we couple that with the technological advances that we have to do both digital insertion on linear and then integrated selling of segments across all of these 136 instances of our products in a digital format. So it's all coming together, which helps us I think sustain our momentum when the marketplace gets a little chunky like it is right now.

Steven Cahall
Steven Cahall
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Thanks for all that. And maybe just a quick follow-up in case I missed this. Did you talk about what you expect content spend and content amortization to be this year? That'd helpful to understand too. Thanks.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

Hey, Stephen, it's Patrick. Please report there's no change from kind of what we've been articulating in the past, which is amortization is going to be probably slightly lower year over year. Cash content spends also going to be down kind of slightly I would say. But important to note there that the volume of productions are staying reasonably flat year over year in terms of the number of episodes that we're producing across platforms. We shifted the mix a little bit, and we're trying to program them as efficiently as possible obviously.

Patrick O’Connell
Patrick O’Connell
EVP & CFO at AMC Networks

But there's been no change in the volume of production or the expectations around our cash content costs this year.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

Or the quality. I just want to reiterate, a show like Dark Winds, is extremely efficient in the amount of money that we spend per episode continues. We're so proud of the Rotten Tomatoes 100%, all three seasons, the lift that we got on AMC plus this year for the season three premiere, and just the overall awareness and interest in that series. And then the continued interest in The Walking Dead, and we're excited for next quarter to give you some updates on how Dead City season two went. And then we're looking forward to the next season of Daryl Dixon with The Walking Dead.

Kristin Dolan
Kristin Dolan
Chief Executive Officer at AMC Networks

But the unscripted, also as we mentioned in the comments, the unscripted continues to perform really well in addition, everybody knows that's less expensive programming too. The edict from above, which has been in place for forever, is we can never sacrifice the quality of what we create for any business situation. And thankfully Dan and the team continue to produce amazing content that is well received at a very reasonable price. So it's a big piece of our success.

Steven Cahall
Steven Cahall
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Great, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Nick for closing remarks.

Nicholas Seibert
Nicholas Seibert
SVP - Corporate Development & Investor Relations at AMC Networks

Thank you for joining us today. Have a good day.

Operator

And thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Nicholas Seibert
      Nicholas Seibert
      SVP - Corporate Development & Investor Relations
    • Kristin Dolan
      Kristin Dolan
      Chief Executive Officer
    • Patrick O’Connell
      Patrick O’Connell
      EVP & CFO
    • Kim Kelleher
      Kim Kelleher
      Chief Commercial Officer
Analysts
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Key Takeaways

  • AMC generated $94 million in free cash flow in Q1 and remains on track to deliver approximately $220 million for the full year, even as consolidated net revenue declined 7% to $555 million and AOI fell 30% to $104 million.
  • The company expanded its distribution by launching an ad-supported version of AMC+ with Charter, rolling out a FAST channel “Acorn TV Mysteries,” and planning an ad-supported Shudder, while modernizing back-end delivery with Comcast Technology Solutions.
  • High-profile programming drove engagement, with “Dark Winds” season 3 premiering to 2.2 million viewers and earning 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, alongside strong returns for “The Dead City,” expansions of the Anne Rice universe, and new franchises like “Great American Stories.”
  • Advertising revenue fell 15% as linear ratings softened and digital faced increased supply, but AMC is leveraging advanced attribution products and integrated marketing offers to meet advertiser demand and has not seen material pullbacks.
  • With net debt of $1.5 billion (2.9x leverage), no maturities until 2029, and over $1 billion in liquidity, AMC opportunistically repurchased 2029 notes at a 29% discount and prioritizes reinvestment in programming and balance-sheet strength over dividends or M&A.
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