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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.24Consensus EPS $0.26Beat/MissMissed by -$0.02One Year Ago EPSN/AApollo Commercial Real Estate Finance Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$43.07 millionExpected Revenue$48.40 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$5.33 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AApollo Commercial Real Estate Finance Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date7/29/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateWednesday, July 30, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsApollo Commercial Real Estate Finance's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, October 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, October 31, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrJuly 30, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: ARI committed $1.4 billion in new loan originations in Q2 (and $2 billion YTD), rapidly redeploying repayments to eliminate cash drag and fuel portfolio growth in the US and Western Europe. Positive Sentiment: At quarter end, the loan portfolio’s carrying value rose 12% sequentially to $8.6 billion with no additional asset-specific CECL allowances, underscoring robust credit quality and repayment activity. Positive Sentiment: ARI refinanced its term loan B facilities with a new $750 million five-year floating-rate loan at attractive spreads, pushing its next corporate debt maturity to June 2029 and lowering funding costs. Positive Sentiment: Distributable earnings increased to $36 million ($0.26/share) in Q2—an 8% rise from Q1—providing 104% dividend coverage and supporting the company’s strategy of returning most earnings to shareholders. Positive Sentiment: ARI reached a $44 million eminent domain settlement (about $18 million to ARI), expected by August, which will boost book value per share and fund further loan originations. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallApollo Commercial Real Estate Finance Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:00:00Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us on the Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. I'm joined today as usual by Scott Wiener, our Chief Investment Officer and Anastasia Maranover, our Chief Financial Officer. ARI delivered strong performance in the 2025 marked by significant progress across originations, portfolio management, and balance sheet optimization. Velocity in loan originations increased as we committed to $1,400,000,000 of new loans during the quarter, quickly redeploying capital we have received back from both repayments and ARI's focus assets. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:00:46Year to date, ARI has committed $2,000,000,000 to new loans. Repayments in the portfolio continue to track expectations with borrowers making progress on their business loans having multiple options for refinancing. As evidenced by the second quarter activity, we are confident in our ability to re redeploy this capital into newly originated loans and continue to identify attractive opportunities across both The United States and Western Europe. ARI continues to benefit from the breath of Apollo's real estate credit platform and the team's robust originations pipeline to access transaction flow that matches capital received from repayments eliminating cash drag and enabling ARI to build the diversified loan portfolio. Three of the loans closed in the second quarter were secured by residential properties, continuing ARI's thematic overweight to a sector benefiting from strong secular tailwinds. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:01:50Loans on residential properties now comprise approximately 25% of ARI's portfolio, representing ARI's largest property type concentration. Importantly, approximately two thirds of the residential loans in ARI's portfolio have originated over the past twenty four months benefiting from evaluation reset and enhanced credit quality. In Europe, which represents approximately 50% of ARI's portfolio and 18% of originations year to date, the market is gaining momentum benefiting from recent interest rate cuts that have reenergized acquisition activity. Our local team is capitalizing on this resurgence with a healthy pipeline across property types and we continue to believe ARI's international diversification remains a strategic advantage. Turning now to the loan portfolio and a progress update on our focus assets. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:02:50At quarter end, the carrying value of ARI's portfolio had increased 12% from the prior quarter and was comprised of 53 loans totaling approximately $8,600,000,000. No additional asset specific CECL allowances were recorded during the quarter. We saw continued sales momentum at 111 West 50 Seventh Street with nine units closed during the quarter generating a $170,000,000 in proceeds, a 141,000,000 of which reduced ARI's basis following the full repayment of the senior loan in April. ARI is now senior in the capital stack, and all future proceeds will go directly to repaying its exposure. At the Brook, ARI's multifamily development in Brooklyn, the leasing office opened in June and tenant move ins began this month marking an important milestone in the assets progress. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:03:49Lastly, in Cincinnati, the marketing process for Liberty Center has commenced as we pursue exiting the asset. We remain intensely focused on executing our value maximization plans for our focus assets, which is integral to our strategy of converting underperforming capital into higher yielding reinvestment opportunities. Excuse me. We expect this capital rotation will continue to have a positive impact on ARI's earnings in the 2025 and throughout 2026. Before I turn the call over to Anastasia, I want to highlight the strong execution we had in connection with the refinancing of our outstanding term loan B facilities in the past quarter. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:04:40In June, we completed a new five year floating rate $750,000,000 term loan b, which repaid our existing two term loan b's, which had pending maturities in 2026 and 2028 respectively. The new loan bears interest at silver plus three and a quarter percent and enabled ARI to term out liabilities at attractive pricing with a well diversified roster of high quality investors highlighting the market's confidence in ARI. Following the refinancing, ARI's next corporate debt maturity is now not until June 2029. With that, I will turn the call over to Anastasia to review ARI's financial results for the year. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:05:24Thank you, Stuart, and good morning, everyone. ARI reported distributable earnings of $36,000,000 or $0.26 per share of common stock for the first quarter with GAAP net income of $18,000,000 or $0.12 per diluted share of common stock. Distributable earnings for the 2025 represent an 8% increase over the first quarter and provide dividend coverage of about 104 times. Our loan portfolio ended the quarter with a carrying value of $8,600,000,000 up from $7,700,000,000 at the end of Q1. The weighted average unlevered yield of our portfolio was 7.8%. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:06:10As Stuart mentioned, we had a strong quarter of loan originations, totaling $1,400,000,000 in commitments. We also completed an additional $394,000,000 in add on fundings for previously closed loans. Year to date, ARI has originated over $2,000,000,000 of new commitments and completed a total of $467,000,000 of fed on funding for previously closed loans. Repayments and sales totaled $631,000,000 during the quarter. Importantly, with the continued redeployment, 41% of our loan portfolio at quarter end was originated post the 2022 rapid rise in interest rates and subsequent reset in property valuation. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:07:00With respect to risk ratings, the weighted average risk rating of the portfolio at quarter end was three point zero, unchanged from the previous quarter end. There were no asset specific CECL allowances recorded during the quarter, and no downgrades in risk ratings across the portfolio. Our general CECL allowance increased this quarter by $3,100,000 reflecting growth of the loan portfolio from the previous quarter end. Total CECL allowance in percentage points of the loan portfolio amortized cost basis is down slightly quarter over quarter from four seventy five basis points to four twenty nine basis points. Subsequent to quarter end, Apollo and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts reached a settlement agreement in which the Commonwealth agreed to pay us and other Apollo co lenders an additional 44,000,000 as compensation for the previous taking of the hospital by eminent domain. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:08:02AIR's share of these proceeds is approximately $18,000,000 The payment is expected to be received before the August, and the lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice, with all related claims released. These proceeds will result in book value per share pickup for ARI in the following quarter, and will be recycled into new loan origination, leading to further upside to earnings. Moving on to the right hand side of the balance sheet. During the quarter, we were very active with optimizing our liabilities. In addition to the refinancing of our term loans that Stuart mentioned, we closed three new secured credit facilities and upsized an existing credit facility, which provided an additional $1,400,000,000 of aggregate borrowing capacity. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:08:56Liquidity in the secured borrowing market continues to be plentiful, as lenders get favorable capital treatment for these facilities, and in many instances prefer them over directly lending to properties. The company ended the quarter with $2.00 $8,000,000 of total liquidity, comprised of cash on hand, committed undrawn credit capacity on existing facilities, and loan proceeds held by the servicer. Our book value per share, excluding general CECL allowance and depreciation, was $12.59 a slight decrease from last quarter. With that, I would like to turn the call back to Stuart Rustin. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:09:40Thank you, Anastasia. Before we turn the call back to the operator to start with questions, I just want to highlight that those of us at Apollo, our thoughts and prayers are with our friends and colleagues at Black Stone after the senseless tragedy that took place there this past Monday. We have heavy hearts and I'm sure many of on the call do as well. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator. Operator00:10:04Thank you. Our first question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. You may proceed. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:10:26Thanks. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:10:29How are you guys today? Just hoping we could get a little bit into more of the kind of the theme of being able to kind of recycle your capital. It seems like January is progressing. How do you think about the Brook now that you're starting to lease? What could be a time frame of, a, I guess, starting to get some cash flow from that asset and b, being able to kind of move on from that and move it into targeted assets? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:11:04Yeah, look, think at a high level, and I'll just sort of refresh for everybody's memory, the book is roughly 500 plus units of which 70% are market rate, 30% are affordable. We have started leasing on the market rate side of things as the affordable needs to go through a process vis a vis a lottery and qualifications, etcetera. I think the hope for us, Doug, is that we make meaningful progress on the leasing side between now and the end of the year. I think at this point in just the first month, we're sort of approaching 15% leased on the market rate side of things. I think with progress made on the leasing side, the asset will turn modestly cash flow positive in the early part of next year. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:12:01And then the real capital event is whether we decide to bring it a partner or sell the asset outright sometime probably between first and second quarter of next year. And as a reminder, it's roughly just shy of $300,000,000 worth of capital today that is effectively earning zero from our perspective. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:12:28Got it. And in your answer, when you kind of said the decision of selling it outright or bringing in a partner, is it a consideration to kind of retain the asset and have kind of a long duration cash flows? Or is the ultimate plan to kind of monetize and move on? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:12:48The ultimate plan is to monetize and move on. I think the halfway step of bringing in a partner would only be relevant to the extent we thought the market fully wasn't providing value to us while we continue to lease up and stabilize. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:13:07Okay. Appreciate the answer. Thank you, Stuart. Operator00:13:10Thank you. Our next question comes from Jade Rahmani with KBW. You may proceed. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:13:18Thank you very much. A follow on to Doug's question on the Brook. I believe that there's some land parcels that are also either owned and controlled or there's some optionality around that. Can you give some color and if this could be material upside for shareholders? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:13:37Yeah, there is one small parcel that we refer to for now as the Western parcel, if I've got my geography correctly. And in between the Brook and the Western parcel, there's actually a building that we don't know in between us that sits on two parcels. We are in discussion too early to know what will happen with the ownership of those parcels Jade around either acquiring air rights or assets outright that would potentially greatly increase the density of what can be done on the Western parcel. And if we're able to figure it out, I think there's definitely upside to the ARI shareholders, but I would say too early to predict the likelihood of that right now, but discussions are ongoing. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:14:40Thanks very much. On 111 West 50 Seventh, where do you expect the basis amortized cost in the loan to be at year end or maybe early say 1Q of next year? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:14:57Look, I think it's a bit of a timing question as you think about when units get sold. At this point, there's 11 units left. So there's definitely activity going on with various potential buyers. Our net basis today from a carrying value perspective is about $270,000,000 We think we will chip away at that between now and the end of the year given dialogue taking place, but don't wanna sort of give you a specific number per se. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:15:37Okay. And one overarching question has to do with the capital structure and leverage of the company. Leverage is around four times today, but that includes significant non earning assets. So, you know, do you plan to maintain leverage at the current level and therefore convert these assets into earning assets and drive dividend growth? Or in that process, do you anticipate reducing leverage? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:16:09Think where we're running leverage is in the ballpark of where we'd expect to run it in the future. Keep in mind that even though the Brook is a non earning asset, it does have a construction loan against it. So that is an asset that we can get capital back and put to work pretty meaningfully without dramatically changing leverage levels. But I think our view is there's enough capacity in the company to get back the capital we get back and we deploy it all at leveraged ROEs that are very consistent with where we've been deploying capital to date and drive as you've seen, seen various estimates from us of meaningful earnings growth, somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% to 40% on where we are if you assume it all comes back and we're able to redeploy it effectively. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:17:07Thank you very much. Operator00:17:09Thank you. Our next question comes from Harshamnani with Green Street. You may proceed. Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:17:18Thank you. Maybe one on portfolio size. Right? Of course, it's it's grown. Can we expect it to continue to grow? Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:17:26How are you thinking through that in the near to medium term? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:17:32We never predict the actual size, but I think if you assume we are able to continue to work on focus assets, pull capital back, which effectively is equity and then redeploy the equity at three to four turns of leverage, you're going to see continued growth in the portfolio size, Just for reference at one point, with effectively the same capital base, the portfolio is north of $10,000,000,000 I'm not saying that's the number but for each dollar of capital I'm able to bring back from a focus asset or under earning asset, you know, I could put it into a new loan that, you know, headline wise will be three to four turns levered when we get it done. Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:18:18Got it. That's helpful. And so then that sort of brings up the question of maybe funding some of this growth, and you touched on it a little bit. But it seems like a lot of the equity that is coming back, to your point, is already somewhat levered even from the RDO assets. So is it probably fair to assume that incrementally growth from here will continue to be driven by leverage? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:18:47Look. I think it'll be you know, not all of the assets are levered today. Certainly, 11 West 50 Seventh is not levered today. Liberty Center is under levered relative to what a loan asset would be. So I think it will be both a redeployment of equity and then sort of typical leverage against that equity relative to what we do when we even get repayments back. Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:19:19Got it. Thank you. Sure. Operator00:19:23Thank you. Our next question comes from John Nicodemus with BTIG. You may proceed. John NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIG00:19:30Hello, and good morning. We've seen more activity in the CRE transaction market in recent weeks, something I'm sure your team has been pleased to see. What are your expectations for commercial real estate transaction market through the end of this year and how is that affecting your plans for ARI Thanks. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:19:50I mean, we agree with the premise of your question where activity has definitely picked up and we are seeing it both on the credit side of our real estate business as well as the areas where we're active on the equity side of our real estate business. Good news is there's more capital, more deal flow, more things to look at. Like the challenge like anything is there's no dearth of capital in the world right now. I think a lot of confidence in our team both here in The US and in Europe to continuing to find things that work for ARI and what ARI is attempting to achieve from a levered ROE perspective. I think we are confident that the market will continue to offer us enough to look at that we will be able to find things that fit nicely with both return as well as other considerations for ARI whether it be geography, property type, etc. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:21:00But we expect the market to be pretty robust between now and the end of the year just given what we're seeing in terms of deal flow pipeline and level of activity today. John NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIG00:21:14Great. Really appreciate that, Stuart. The other one for me, we've seen some of your peers move to extend the duration of their portfolios, whether that's through investing in triple net real estate or adding securities to their portfolio. Just curious if that's something that your team at ARI is monitoring or looking to add in the near to medium term? Thank you. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:21:37Yeah, would describe it as best as monitoring or it's a constant source of dialogue as a firm. We've got capabilities both in the net lease space and in the securities side. I think that this is now a sixteen year debate between Scott and I. I think the challenge we always face is if we are going to do something that quote unquote broadens the strategy. I think there's a desire to do it in a scale and size such that it's meaningful and that we're not just talking about sort of a one off deal. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:22:15Obviously, would be easier in some respects if you could extend duration, but it needs to make sense from a credit and return perspective. So on the radar screen, given existing capabilities inside of Apollo, definitely something that we talk about episodically. But I would say sitting here today, no meaningful shift in strategy expected. John NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIG00:22:44Thanks so much. Appreciate the time. Operator00:22:46Thank you. Our next question comes from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. You may proceed. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:22:58Hey, Stuart. Thanks for taking my questions this morning. I apologize if I this is redundant. We're bouncing around between a lot of calls this morning. From from a detailed perspective, the way we look at the provision expense this quarter is it appears to be entirely growth driven related to the increase in earning assets. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:23:24And it looks like it's probably the general reserve was probably put on in the mid-30s to low-40s in terms of basis points on a reserve rate. Is that correct? And is that the way we should be modeling any further expansion of earning assets in terms of growth going forward? Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:23:44Hey, Rick, this is Anastasia. Yes, this is correct. So you're correct in saying that the growth in general CECL quarter over quarter is largely driven by the growth in the loan portfolio. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:23:57And no changes to your macro assumptions? Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:24:01No. Great. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:24:03Okay. And then just a broader question, which is a theme we're exploring with everybody this quarter. The market is the commercial real estate market is kind of at cross currents right now. And it's probably there are, excuse me, geographies. There are, loan types that are improving, there are some that remain challenged. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:24:36I'm curious as you sort of approach the same cross currents of moving from being purely defensive to putting a foot forward, how you're looking at those opportunities, where you're going to continue to be defensive, are there categories that have been out of favor you want to wade back into, or where do you see the best opportunities? Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:24:59Yeah, it's Scott. Look, I'll say we continue to be very constructive on all forms of housing. And so for us, that would include senior housing private pay, where we've been active in The UK and also have a few deals in The US we're working on. Student housing, hotels have always been a part of our portfolio, but there's times we've been more active and not, and I think this is a time that certain types of hotels are finding interesting. On the office front, certainly transaction activity has picked up, and we're starting to see stuff. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:25:35I think for now, not really looking to do that in ARI. We're doing that elsewhere I think there still continues to be a very large focus on the percentage of office in our portfolio, and based on our long term lease deal in London, it doesn't seem that people differentiate different quality of office deals. So I think for that, we'll probably be doing we won't be seeing ARI doing office deals. And then we continue to find deals in both UK, Europe, and US of interest. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:26:06So it's really just continuing what we've been doing. I don't see us really doing roundup development ex long term lease data centers. I think the construction, there are interesting deals, but it's challenging to leverage and also put the money out, whereas I think some of the hyperscale deals that we've done are interesting and we're able to work with our bank partners and put on accretive financing. So I think that's the only area where you'll see us doing construction in ARI. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:26:42Hey, Scott, thank you for the insight and for sort of swinging at that pitch for us. We appreciate it. Operator00:26:52Thank you. Our next question comes from Jade Rahmani with KBW. You may proceed. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:27:00Thank you for would prevent the dividend from being increased? And do you also expect any change to the long standing policy, dividend policy of the company to generally pay out the lion's share of earnings as dividend? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:27:33I mean, the short answer, Jane, is there's nothing material from an NOL perspective that would unquote give us tax protection to rising earnings. And I think the short answer to the second part of your question is that, the expectation is the goal continues to be to give our investors as much of earnings as possible in the form of a dividend. Like always, we'll look at things on a quarter by quarter basis. We'll also try and take a somewhat forward looking approach as I think our desire is to avoid paying special dividends, try and keep things somewhat stable from a quarterly perspective, not lose a lot of sleep if things bounce around a penny or two higher penny too low in any given quarter. And below is review policy with the board on a quarterly basis. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:28:41So I think your question is a good one and I think we expect to handle things going forward the way we've handled them in the past. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:28:53Thanks. And lastly, I wanted to ask about seniors housing. It seems to be an area of focus of the company. And is there a broader thesis you can talk to in that space? I know the demographic trends are particularly favorable in that asset class. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:29:10Yeah, no, I think that's exactly I mean, I think, certainly not every market, but most markets in certainly The US and UK, think, have a supply demand imbalance. Clearly, the demographic, as you said, continues to grow. We're very much focused on private pay. So these are people who can afford and are choosing to live here. I would say it's also, from an acuity basis, much more focused on independent living, maybe a little bit of assisted living, but really not this is not skilled nursing or memory care. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:29:47These are just older people who want to enjoy their golden years, if you will, and be with other people. And we're doing it generally more newer developed properties and stuff that have all the amenities and things. So again, we think it's an extension of our housing thesis. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:30:08Thanks very much. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:30:11Thanks, Jake. Operator00:30:12Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Stuart Rothstein for any closing remarks. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:30:18Thank you all for participating today. As always, myself, Anastasia, Hillary are available if people have follow-up questions after the call. Hope everybody enjoys the rest of the summer. Thank you. Operator00:30:33Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesStuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & DirectorAnastasia MironovaCFOScott WeinerChief Investment OfficerAnalystsDouglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS GroupJade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLCJohn NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIGRichard ShaneAnalyst at JP MorganPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance Earnings HeadlinesKeefe, Bruyette & Woods Maintains Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance (ARI) Outperform RecommendationOctober 10 at 7:48 AM | msn.comZacks Industry Outlook Highlights Annaly Capital Management, Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance and Ellington FinancialOctober 9 at 10:52 AM | finance.yahoo.comBitcoin grabs headlines, but smart money likes this tokenBitcoin grabs headlines, but smart money likes this token My research team has identified the token positioned at the absolute center of this incoming capital flood— a project so fundamentally essential to the crypto ecosystem that institutional investors simply cannot ignore it. | Crypto 101 Media (Ad)Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance, Inc. 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The company focuses on originating, acquiring and managing a diversified portfolio of commercial real estate debt and preferred equity investments. As an externally managed vehicle, ARI leverages the expertise and resources of an affiliate of Apollo Global Management, a leading global alternative investment manager. ARI’s investment strategy is centered on providing first mortgage loans, mezzanine debt financing, bridge loans and preferred equity across a broad range of property types, including office, retail, industrial and multifamily assets. By structuring tailored capital solutions for property owners and developers, the company seeks to generate current income and long-term capital appreciation for its shareholders. Its underwriting process emphasizes rigorous credit analysis, collateral evaluation and active portfolio monitoring. Since commencing operations, ARI has primarily served commercial real estate markets in the United States, with particular focus on major metropolitan regions. The company benefits from the deep sector knowledge and deal-sourcing capabilities of its Apollo-affiliated management team, whose professionals have extensive experience in real estate lending and asset management. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:00:00Thank you, operator. Good morning, and thank you for joining us on the Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance second quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. I'm joined today as usual by Scott Wiener, our Chief Investment Officer and Anastasia Maranover, our Chief Financial Officer. ARI delivered strong performance in the 2025 marked by significant progress across originations, portfolio management, and balance sheet optimization. Velocity in loan originations increased as we committed to $1,400,000,000 of new loans during the quarter, quickly redeploying capital we have received back from both repayments and ARI's focus assets. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:00:46Year to date, ARI has committed $2,000,000,000 to new loans. Repayments in the portfolio continue to track expectations with borrowers making progress on their business loans having multiple options for refinancing. As evidenced by the second quarter activity, we are confident in our ability to re redeploy this capital into newly originated loans and continue to identify attractive opportunities across both The United States and Western Europe. ARI continues to benefit from the breath of Apollo's real estate credit platform and the team's robust originations pipeline to access transaction flow that matches capital received from repayments eliminating cash drag and enabling ARI to build the diversified loan portfolio. Three of the loans closed in the second quarter were secured by residential properties, continuing ARI's thematic overweight to a sector benefiting from strong secular tailwinds. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:01:50Loans on residential properties now comprise approximately 25% of ARI's portfolio, representing ARI's largest property type concentration. Importantly, approximately two thirds of the residential loans in ARI's portfolio have originated over the past twenty four months benefiting from evaluation reset and enhanced credit quality. In Europe, which represents approximately 50% of ARI's portfolio and 18% of originations year to date, the market is gaining momentum benefiting from recent interest rate cuts that have reenergized acquisition activity. Our local team is capitalizing on this resurgence with a healthy pipeline across property types and we continue to believe ARI's international diversification remains a strategic advantage. Turning now to the loan portfolio and a progress update on our focus assets. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:02:50At quarter end, the carrying value of ARI's portfolio had increased 12% from the prior quarter and was comprised of 53 loans totaling approximately $8,600,000,000. No additional asset specific CECL allowances were recorded during the quarter. We saw continued sales momentum at 111 West 50 Seventh Street with nine units closed during the quarter generating a $170,000,000 in proceeds, a 141,000,000 of which reduced ARI's basis following the full repayment of the senior loan in April. ARI is now senior in the capital stack, and all future proceeds will go directly to repaying its exposure. At the Brook, ARI's multifamily development in Brooklyn, the leasing office opened in June and tenant move ins began this month marking an important milestone in the assets progress. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:03:49Lastly, in Cincinnati, the marketing process for Liberty Center has commenced as we pursue exiting the asset. We remain intensely focused on executing our value maximization plans for our focus assets, which is integral to our strategy of converting underperforming capital into higher yielding reinvestment opportunities. Excuse me. We expect this capital rotation will continue to have a positive impact on ARI's earnings in the 2025 and throughout 2026. Before I turn the call over to Anastasia, I want to highlight the strong execution we had in connection with the refinancing of our outstanding term loan B facilities in the past quarter. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:04:40In June, we completed a new five year floating rate $750,000,000 term loan b, which repaid our existing two term loan b's, which had pending maturities in 2026 and 2028 respectively. The new loan bears interest at silver plus three and a quarter percent and enabled ARI to term out liabilities at attractive pricing with a well diversified roster of high quality investors highlighting the market's confidence in ARI. Following the refinancing, ARI's next corporate debt maturity is now not until June 2029. With that, I will turn the call over to Anastasia to review ARI's financial results for the year. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:05:24Thank you, Stuart, and good morning, everyone. ARI reported distributable earnings of $36,000,000 or $0.26 per share of common stock for the first quarter with GAAP net income of $18,000,000 or $0.12 per diluted share of common stock. Distributable earnings for the 2025 represent an 8% increase over the first quarter and provide dividend coverage of about 104 times. Our loan portfolio ended the quarter with a carrying value of $8,600,000,000 up from $7,700,000,000 at the end of Q1. The weighted average unlevered yield of our portfolio was 7.8%. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:06:10As Stuart mentioned, we had a strong quarter of loan originations, totaling $1,400,000,000 in commitments. We also completed an additional $394,000,000 in add on fundings for previously closed loans. Year to date, ARI has originated over $2,000,000,000 of new commitments and completed a total of $467,000,000 of fed on funding for previously closed loans. Repayments and sales totaled $631,000,000 during the quarter. Importantly, with the continued redeployment, 41% of our loan portfolio at quarter end was originated post the 2022 rapid rise in interest rates and subsequent reset in property valuation. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:07:00With respect to risk ratings, the weighted average risk rating of the portfolio at quarter end was three point zero, unchanged from the previous quarter end. There were no asset specific CECL allowances recorded during the quarter, and no downgrades in risk ratings across the portfolio. Our general CECL allowance increased this quarter by $3,100,000 reflecting growth of the loan portfolio from the previous quarter end. Total CECL allowance in percentage points of the loan portfolio amortized cost basis is down slightly quarter over quarter from four seventy five basis points to four twenty nine basis points. Subsequent to quarter end, Apollo and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts reached a settlement agreement in which the Commonwealth agreed to pay us and other Apollo co lenders an additional 44,000,000 as compensation for the previous taking of the hospital by eminent domain. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:08:02AIR's share of these proceeds is approximately $18,000,000 The payment is expected to be received before the August, and the lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice, with all related claims released. These proceeds will result in book value per share pickup for ARI in the following quarter, and will be recycled into new loan origination, leading to further upside to earnings. Moving on to the right hand side of the balance sheet. During the quarter, we were very active with optimizing our liabilities. In addition to the refinancing of our term loans that Stuart mentioned, we closed three new secured credit facilities and upsized an existing credit facility, which provided an additional $1,400,000,000 of aggregate borrowing capacity. Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:08:56Liquidity in the secured borrowing market continues to be plentiful, as lenders get favorable capital treatment for these facilities, and in many instances prefer them over directly lending to properties. The company ended the quarter with $2.00 $8,000,000 of total liquidity, comprised of cash on hand, committed undrawn credit capacity on existing facilities, and loan proceeds held by the servicer. Our book value per share, excluding general CECL allowance and depreciation, was $12.59 a slight decrease from last quarter. With that, I would like to turn the call back to Stuart Rustin. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:09:40Thank you, Anastasia. Before we turn the call back to the operator to start with questions, I just want to highlight that those of us at Apollo, our thoughts and prayers are with our friends and colleagues at Black Stone after the senseless tragedy that took place there this past Monday. We have heavy hearts and I'm sure many of on the call do as well. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator. Operator00:10:04Thank you. Our first question comes from Doug Harter with UBS. You may proceed. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:10:26Thanks. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:10:29How are you guys today? Just hoping we could get a little bit into more of the kind of the theme of being able to kind of recycle your capital. It seems like January is progressing. How do you think about the Brook now that you're starting to lease? What could be a time frame of, a, I guess, starting to get some cash flow from that asset and b, being able to kind of move on from that and move it into targeted assets? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:11:04Yeah, look, think at a high level, and I'll just sort of refresh for everybody's memory, the book is roughly 500 plus units of which 70% are market rate, 30% are affordable. We have started leasing on the market rate side of things as the affordable needs to go through a process vis a vis a lottery and qualifications, etcetera. I think the hope for us, Doug, is that we make meaningful progress on the leasing side between now and the end of the year. I think at this point in just the first month, we're sort of approaching 15% leased on the market rate side of things. I think with progress made on the leasing side, the asset will turn modestly cash flow positive in the early part of next year. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:12:01And then the real capital event is whether we decide to bring it a partner or sell the asset outright sometime probably between first and second quarter of next year. And as a reminder, it's roughly just shy of $300,000,000 worth of capital today that is effectively earning zero from our perspective. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:12:28Got it. And in your answer, when you kind of said the decision of selling it outright or bringing in a partner, is it a consideration to kind of retain the asset and have kind of a long duration cash flows? Or is the ultimate plan to kind of monetize and move on? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:12:48The ultimate plan is to monetize and move on. I think the halfway step of bringing in a partner would only be relevant to the extent we thought the market fully wasn't providing value to us while we continue to lease up and stabilize. Douglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS Group00:13:07Okay. Appreciate the answer. Thank you, Stuart. Operator00:13:10Thank you. Our next question comes from Jade Rahmani with KBW. You may proceed. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:13:18Thank you very much. A follow on to Doug's question on the Brook. I believe that there's some land parcels that are also either owned and controlled or there's some optionality around that. Can you give some color and if this could be material upside for shareholders? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:13:37Yeah, there is one small parcel that we refer to for now as the Western parcel, if I've got my geography correctly. And in between the Brook and the Western parcel, there's actually a building that we don't know in between us that sits on two parcels. We are in discussion too early to know what will happen with the ownership of those parcels Jade around either acquiring air rights or assets outright that would potentially greatly increase the density of what can be done on the Western parcel. And if we're able to figure it out, I think there's definitely upside to the ARI shareholders, but I would say too early to predict the likelihood of that right now, but discussions are ongoing. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:14:40Thanks very much. On 111 West 50 Seventh, where do you expect the basis amortized cost in the loan to be at year end or maybe early say 1Q of next year? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:14:57Look, I think it's a bit of a timing question as you think about when units get sold. At this point, there's 11 units left. So there's definitely activity going on with various potential buyers. Our net basis today from a carrying value perspective is about $270,000,000 We think we will chip away at that between now and the end of the year given dialogue taking place, but don't wanna sort of give you a specific number per se. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:15:37Okay. And one overarching question has to do with the capital structure and leverage of the company. Leverage is around four times today, but that includes significant non earning assets. So, you know, do you plan to maintain leverage at the current level and therefore convert these assets into earning assets and drive dividend growth? Or in that process, do you anticipate reducing leverage? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:16:09Think where we're running leverage is in the ballpark of where we'd expect to run it in the future. Keep in mind that even though the Brook is a non earning asset, it does have a construction loan against it. So that is an asset that we can get capital back and put to work pretty meaningfully without dramatically changing leverage levels. But I think our view is there's enough capacity in the company to get back the capital we get back and we deploy it all at leveraged ROEs that are very consistent with where we've been deploying capital to date and drive as you've seen, seen various estimates from us of meaningful earnings growth, somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% to 40% on where we are if you assume it all comes back and we're able to redeploy it effectively. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:17:07Thank you very much. Operator00:17:09Thank you. Our next question comes from Harshamnani with Green Street. You may proceed. Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:17:18Thank you. Maybe one on portfolio size. Right? Of course, it's it's grown. Can we expect it to continue to grow? Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:17:26How are you thinking through that in the near to medium term? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:17:32We never predict the actual size, but I think if you assume we are able to continue to work on focus assets, pull capital back, which effectively is equity and then redeploy the equity at three to four turns of leverage, you're going to see continued growth in the portfolio size, Just for reference at one point, with effectively the same capital base, the portfolio is north of $10,000,000,000 I'm not saying that's the number but for each dollar of capital I'm able to bring back from a focus asset or under earning asset, you know, I could put it into a new loan that, you know, headline wise will be three to four turns levered when we get it done. Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:18:18Got it. That's helpful. And so then that sort of brings up the question of maybe funding some of this growth, and you touched on it a little bit. But it seems like a lot of the equity that is coming back, to your point, is already somewhat levered even from the RDO assets. So is it probably fair to assume that incrementally growth from here will continue to be driven by leverage? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:18:47Look. I think it'll be you know, not all of the assets are levered today. Certainly, 11 West 50 Seventh is not levered today. Liberty Center is under levered relative to what a loan asset would be. So I think it will be both a redeployment of equity and then sort of typical leverage against that equity relative to what we do when we even get repayments back. Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLC00:19:19Got it. Thank you. Sure. Operator00:19:23Thank you. Our next question comes from John Nicodemus with BTIG. You may proceed. John NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIG00:19:30Hello, and good morning. We've seen more activity in the CRE transaction market in recent weeks, something I'm sure your team has been pleased to see. What are your expectations for commercial real estate transaction market through the end of this year and how is that affecting your plans for ARI Thanks. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:19:50I mean, we agree with the premise of your question where activity has definitely picked up and we are seeing it both on the credit side of our real estate business as well as the areas where we're active on the equity side of our real estate business. Good news is there's more capital, more deal flow, more things to look at. Like the challenge like anything is there's no dearth of capital in the world right now. I think a lot of confidence in our team both here in The US and in Europe to continuing to find things that work for ARI and what ARI is attempting to achieve from a levered ROE perspective. I think we are confident that the market will continue to offer us enough to look at that we will be able to find things that fit nicely with both return as well as other considerations for ARI whether it be geography, property type, etc. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:21:00But we expect the market to be pretty robust between now and the end of the year just given what we're seeing in terms of deal flow pipeline and level of activity today. John NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIG00:21:14Great. Really appreciate that, Stuart. The other one for me, we've seen some of your peers move to extend the duration of their portfolios, whether that's through investing in triple net real estate or adding securities to their portfolio. Just curious if that's something that your team at ARI is monitoring or looking to add in the near to medium term? Thank you. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:21:37Yeah, would describe it as best as monitoring or it's a constant source of dialogue as a firm. We've got capabilities both in the net lease space and in the securities side. I think that this is now a sixteen year debate between Scott and I. I think the challenge we always face is if we are going to do something that quote unquote broadens the strategy. I think there's a desire to do it in a scale and size such that it's meaningful and that we're not just talking about sort of a one off deal. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:22:15Obviously, would be easier in some respects if you could extend duration, but it needs to make sense from a credit and return perspective. So on the radar screen, given existing capabilities inside of Apollo, definitely something that we talk about episodically. But I would say sitting here today, no meaningful shift in strategy expected. John NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIG00:22:44Thanks so much. Appreciate the time. Operator00:22:46Thank you. Our next question comes from Rick Shane with JPMorgan. You may proceed. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:22:58Hey, Stuart. Thanks for taking my questions this morning. I apologize if I this is redundant. We're bouncing around between a lot of calls this morning. From from a detailed perspective, the way we look at the provision expense this quarter is it appears to be entirely growth driven related to the increase in earning assets. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:23:24And it looks like it's probably the general reserve was probably put on in the mid-30s to low-40s in terms of basis points on a reserve rate. Is that correct? And is that the way we should be modeling any further expansion of earning assets in terms of growth going forward? Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:23:44Hey, Rick, this is Anastasia. Yes, this is correct. So you're correct in saying that the growth in general CECL quarter over quarter is largely driven by the growth in the loan portfolio. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:23:57And no changes to your macro assumptions? Anastasia MironovaCFO at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:24:01No. Great. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:24:03Okay. And then just a broader question, which is a theme we're exploring with everybody this quarter. The market is the commercial real estate market is kind of at cross currents right now. And it's probably there are, excuse me, geographies. There are, loan types that are improving, there are some that remain challenged. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:24:36I'm curious as you sort of approach the same cross currents of moving from being purely defensive to putting a foot forward, how you're looking at those opportunities, where you're going to continue to be defensive, are there categories that have been out of favor you want to wade back into, or where do you see the best opportunities? Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:24:59Yeah, it's Scott. Look, I'll say we continue to be very constructive on all forms of housing. And so for us, that would include senior housing private pay, where we've been active in The UK and also have a few deals in The US we're working on. Student housing, hotels have always been a part of our portfolio, but there's times we've been more active and not, and I think this is a time that certain types of hotels are finding interesting. On the office front, certainly transaction activity has picked up, and we're starting to see stuff. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:25:35I think for now, not really looking to do that in ARI. We're doing that elsewhere I think there still continues to be a very large focus on the percentage of office in our portfolio, and based on our long term lease deal in London, it doesn't seem that people differentiate different quality of office deals. So I think for that, we'll probably be doing we won't be seeing ARI doing office deals. And then we continue to find deals in both UK, Europe, and US of interest. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:26:06So it's really just continuing what we've been doing. I don't see us really doing roundup development ex long term lease data centers. I think the construction, there are interesting deals, but it's challenging to leverage and also put the money out, whereas I think some of the hyperscale deals that we've done are interesting and we're able to work with our bank partners and put on accretive financing. So I think that's the only area where you'll see us doing construction in ARI. Richard ShaneAnalyst at JP Morgan00:26:42Hey, Scott, thank you for the insight and for sort of swinging at that pitch for us. We appreciate it. Operator00:26:52Thank you. Our next question comes from Jade Rahmani with KBW. You may proceed. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:27:00Thank you for would prevent the dividend from being increased? And do you also expect any change to the long standing policy, dividend policy of the company to generally pay out the lion's share of earnings as dividend? Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:27:33I mean, the short answer, Jane, is there's nothing material from an NOL perspective that would unquote give us tax protection to rising earnings. And I think the short answer to the second part of your question is that, the expectation is the goal continues to be to give our investors as much of earnings as possible in the form of a dividend. Like always, we'll look at things on a quarter by quarter basis. We'll also try and take a somewhat forward looking approach as I think our desire is to avoid paying special dividends, try and keep things somewhat stable from a quarterly perspective, not lose a lot of sleep if things bounce around a penny or two higher penny too low in any given quarter. And below is review policy with the board on a quarterly basis. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:28:41So I think your question is a good one and I think we expect to handle things going forward the way we've handled them in the past. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:28:53Thanks. And lastly, I wanted to ask about seniors housing. It seems to be an area of focus of the company. And is there a broader thesis you can talk to in that space? I know the demographic trends are particularly favorable in that asset class. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:29:10Yeah, no, I think that's exactly I mean, I think, certainly not every market, but most markets in certainly The US and UK, think, have a supply demand imbalance. Clearly, the demographic, as you said, continues to grow. We're very much focused on private pay. So these are people who can afford and are choosing to live here. I would say it's also, from an acuity basis, much more focused on independent living, maybe a little bit of assisted living, but really not this is not skilled nursing or memory care. Scott WeinerChief Investment Officer at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:29:47These are just older people who want to enjoy their golden years, if you will, and be with other people. And we're doing it generally more newer developed properties and stuff that have all the amenities and things. So again, we think it's an extension of our housing thesis. Jade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:30:08Thanks very much. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:30:11Thanks, Jake. Operator00:30:12Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Stuart Rothstein for any closing remarks. Stuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & Director at Apollo Commercial Real Estate Finance00:30:18Thank you all for participating today. As always, myself, Anastasia, Hillary are available if people have follow-up questions after the call. Hope everybody enjoys the rest of the summer. Thank you. Operator00:30:33Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesStuart RothsteinPresident, CEO & DirectorAnastasia MironovaCFOScott WeinerChief Investment OfficerAnalystsDouglas HarterEquity Research Analyst at UBS GroupJade RahmaniManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)Harsh HemnaniSenior Analyst at Green Street Advisors, LLCJohn NickodemusVP - Equity Research at BTIGRichard ShaneAnalyst at JP MorganPowered by