UBS Group Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: UBS reported Q2 profit before tax of $2.7 bn (up 30% YoY), revenues of $11.5 bn (+4%), and operating expenses of $8.7 bn (−3%), driving a 15.3% return on CET1 capital and a 75.4% cost/income ratio.
  • Positive Sentiment: The Credit Suisse integration remains on track with 400k Swiss client accounts migrated, $9.1 bn of gross cost saves achieved (70% of target), and full migration expected by Q1 2026.
  • Positive Sentiment: Invested assets reached $6.6 trn, global wealth management added $23 bn of net new assets in Q2, and the unified alternatives unit secured $18 bn of client commitments year-to-date.
  • Positive Sentiment: The Investment Bank delivered a record Q2 in Global Markets with equities up 20% and FX up 41%, while banking revenues fell 22% due to macro uncertainties but pipelines are strengthening.
  • Negative Sentiment: UBS opposes proposed Swiss capital regime changes that could require an extra $42 bn of capital, arguing they are disproportionate, understate its true strength, and jeopardize returns and diversification benefits.
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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Welcome to the UBS Second Quarter twenty twenty five Results. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast.

Operator

At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Sarah McKee, UBS Investor Relations. Please go ahead, madam.

Sarah Mackey
Sarah Mackey
Head - IR at UBS Group

Good morning, and welcome, everyone. Before we start, I would like to draw your attention to our cautionary statement slide at the back of today's results presentation. Please also refer to the risk factors included in our annual report together with additional disclosures in our SEC filings. On Slide two, you can see our agenda for today. It's now my pleasure to hand over to Sergio Amotti, Group CEO.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Thank you, Sara, and good morning, everyone. We sustained robust momentum during a quarter that started with extreme volatility by staying close to our clients and successfully executing the first wave of our Swiss client account migrations, a critical phase of our integration. This drove strong quarterly results, which contributed to a first half underlying return on CET1 capital of 13.3%. These results highlight the power of our differentiated business model and our diversified global footprint, both of which are reinforced by our balance sheet for all seasons and our disciplined efforts to steadily improve risk adjusted returns since the Credit Suisse acquisition. Our clients continue to value the breadth of our advice and global capabilities.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Our invested assets reached $6,600,000,000,000 and the private and institutional client activity was robust across all our regions. Global Wealth Management continued to attract flows into our discretionary solutions, and we are encouraged by another quarter of improving demand for loans. We have made significant progress in migrating portfolios and streamlining our front shelf within asset management, positioning us to substantially complete the integration of this business by year end. These efforts are unlocking the benefits of greater scale and enhanced capabilities, particularly within our unified global alternatives unit, where we have attracted $18,000,000,000 in client commitments year to date. Invested assets now exceed $300,000,000,000 and this momentum reinforces our standing as a top player in alternatives.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

In Switzerland, we remain steadfast in our commitment to act as a reliable partner for the Swiss economy. During the quarter, we granted or renewed billion of loans as we facilitated client activity and also partnered with our clients in their activities across the globe. Meanwhile, the Investment Bank delivered a record second quarter in Global Markets. This reflects the strength of our equities franchise, where we are benefiting from market share gains. It also highlights the value of our leading FX business, where we where our expertise helps our institutional clients and Swiss corporate clients navigate market volatility.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

In Global Banking, while I'm encouraged by the continued strengthening of our deal pipeline, client execution of strategic plans was delayed once again this quarter due to ongoing market uncertainties related to international trade and economic policies. Looking into the third quarter, we continue to prioritize the needs of our clients while further advancing our integration efforts. As we continue to see strong market performance in risk assets combined with a weak U. S. Dollar, investor sentiment remains broadly constructive, albeit tempered by ongoing uncertainties and a degree of news fatigue.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Having said that, clients are ready to deploy capital as soon as conviction around the macro outlook strengthens. Moving to the integration, we remain on track to substantially complete by the 2026. Recently, we completed the migration of Credit Suisse client accounts booked outside Switzerland. We have also now moved 400,000 client accounts booked in Switzerland from the Credit Suisse platform with minimal disruption and a positive response. We are on track to migrate around 500,000 clients more through by the end of this year, and the balance of the migration is set to be completed by the end of the first quarter two thousand and twenty six.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

The same time, we further simplified our operations across the organization and made good progress in our active wind down efforts in non core and legacy, particularly around costs. This also supports our strong capital position with a CET1 capital ratio of 14.4%. This is allowing us to follow through on our 2025 capital return objectives as we accrue for a double digit increase in our dividend and are executing on our share buyback plans. As we said in June, we will communicate our 2026 capital return plans with our fourth quarter and full year results in February. As importantly, our continued momentum is generating capital, enabling us to strategically invest across the globe to support our clients and position UBS for the future.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

We remain focused on our targeted investment in The Americas to support our financial advisors and improve profitability. At the same time, we aim to further leverage our position as the number one wealth manager in APAC to drive growth, while reinforcing our leadership in EMEA and Switzerland. Supporting this objective is a consistent investment in infrastructure and AI to increase resilience, enhance client service and support our employees. Following the rollout of our in house assistant, RED, the implementation of 55,000 Microsoft Copilot licenses, we saw four times as many Jain AI prompts this quarter compared to the fourth quarter of last year. Building on this, we are now extending access to Copilot so that all of our employees will be able to integrate AI into their daily workflow.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

We will continue to invest in our global capabilities to capitalize on the benefits of our diversified business model and global footprint. This remains a critical priority as we look beyond the integration and prepare for long term success. Of course, one critical point defining our future will be the outcome of the ongoing debate on regulation in Switzerland. As this is the first time I'm talking to you since the publication of the Swiss Federal Council's proposal on June 6, let me start by reiterating a few points. For over a decade, UBS has delivered enduring value to all its stakeholders, including Switzerland and its taxpayers through a sustainable business model and a balance sheet for all seasons.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

This is underpinned by a robust risk management culture alongside a strong governance framework. We have done this while implementing regulatory requirements with rigor. This is why it is our obligation to contribute to the ongoing debate with facts and data. In principle, we support most of the proposals as long as they are consistent with the Swiss Federal Council's aims of being targeted, proportionate and internationally aligned. However, the proposed changes to the capital regime do not meet those criteria and are even more extreme when you consider Switzerland's finalization of Basel III rules well ahead of other jurisdictions.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

The proposals fail to recognize that UBS has had a consistently strong capital position, business model and risk management framework, and the fact that UBS has not relied on regulatory concessions or overly aggressive valuations of foreign participations. Further, it disregards the significant diversification value our foreign subsidiaries provide to all of our stakeholders, including our clients in Switzerland. We are strong, thanks to our global footprint, not in spite of it. In addition, the proposal at ordinance level only consumes surplus capital and cosmetically reduce the group CET1 ratio. This would underrepresent the true capital strength of the firm on an absolute basis and relative to peers.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

As we said in June, after including the impact of integrating Credit Suisse and applying the current progressive add ons, UBS would be required to hold $42,000,000,000 of additional capital. While I have no doubt that our highly capital generative business model would allow us to meet these requirements over time, they would clearly impact our return on tangible equity, which I believe will become the more relevant return measure. Key areas that we can easily absorb or mitigate these capital increases and operate with a group CET1 capital ratio only slightly above peers do not reflect reality. No matter how CET1 capital ratios are presented, the proposal still results in an increase of around $24,000,000,000 in capital at the parent bank. Of course, we will evaluate all potential and appropriate measures to address negative effects for our shareholders, but any mitigation strategies, even if feasible, would come at a significant cost.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

This is not just our view. The expert opinions commissioned by the Federal Council also highlighted the significant risks these proposals present for Switzerland. We are finalizing our assessment of all 22 proposals, including capital, liquidity, resolution and governance for submission to the public consultation process, which concludes at the September. As soon as we are ready, we also intend to provide a public explanation of our position on some of the most relevant aspects. Based on the fact that we are already operating with a robust capital buffer and we expect no changes before 2027, we maintain our 2026 underlying exit rate targets of a return on CET1 capital of around 15% and a cost income ratio of less than 70%.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

We will provide an update on our longer term return targets as soon as we have more visibility on timing and outcome from the ongoing political process. In the meantime, I'm confident that we can continue to deliver on what's within our control, serving clients, completing the integration, supporting all the communities where we live and work and position UBS for long term success for the benefits of all stakeholders. So summing up, I'm very pleased with our performance in the quarter and I'm enormously proud of my colleagues for their continued dedication in a complex and uncertain environment. With that, I hand over to Todd.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Thank you, Sergio, and good morning, everyone. Throughout my remarks, I'll refer to underlying results in U. S. Dollars and make year over year comparisons unless stated otherwise. Total group profit before tax in the second quarter came in at 2,700,000,000.0 a 30% increase compared to the same period last year with our core businesses growing their combined pretax profits by 25%.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Group revenues increased by 4% to 11,500,000,000.0 and were up by eight percent across our core franchises, while operating expenses decreased by 3% to $8,700,000,000 as we continue to drive cost synergies across the group. Included in our performance is a litigation reserve net release of 427,000,000 relating to the settlement announced in May in connection with Credit Suisse's legacy US cross border business. Our reported EPS was $0.72 and we delivered a 15.3% return on CET1 capital and a cost income ratio of 75.4%. Moving to slide six, we delivered another quarter of strong financial performance as clients turn to us for advice and solutions to navigate a volatile and uncertain market environment. In wealth management and the investment bank, we grew pretax profits by 2428% respectively, offsetting net interest income headwinds in our Swiss business, while continuing to make strong progress reducing our non core portfolio.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

In group items, our year on year comparative also benefited from marks on hedge positions and own credit that affected the prior year period. On a reported basis, our pretax profit of 2,200,000,000.0 included 565,000,000 of revenue adjustments from acquisition related effects and 1,100,000,000.0 of integration expenses. In the quarter, we recorded a tax benefit of 209,000,000, mainly from recognizing additional DTAs related to the integration of Credit Suisse. We continue to expect our full year 2025 effective tax rate to be around 20% with a higher second half tax rate influenced by our non core units pretax results including integration costs. Turning to our cost update on slide seven.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Over the second quarter, we delivered 700,000,000 of incremental gross run rate cost saves, bringing the cumulative total since the 2022 to 9,100,000,000.0 or around 70% of our total gross cost save ambition. The overall employee count fell sequentially by 2% to 124,000 and by around 21% from our 2022 baseline. By quarter end, we nominally decreased our overall cost base by around 11% compared to 2022. Even more impressively, over the same period, we've reduced our operating expenses by 22% when adjusting for variable compensation and litigation and neutralizing for currency effects. On this basis, our gross to net save conversion rate is 80%.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Turning to slide eight, as of the end of the second quarter, our balance sheet for all seasons consisted of 1,700,000,000,000.0 in total assets, up 127,000,000,000 versus the end of the first quarter. On a deposit base of 800,000,000,000, our loan to deposit ratio was 81%, up one percentage point sequentially. At the June, our lending book reflected credit impaired exposures of 0.9, down sequentially by 10 basis points. The cost of risk increased to 10 basis points as we recorded group CLE of 163,000,000. This reflected net charges of 38,000,000 across our performing portfolio and 125,000,000 on credit impaired positions, largely driven by our Swiss business.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Our tangible equity in the quarter increased by 82,000,000,000, mainly driven by FX translation OCI and 2,400,000,000.0 in net profit. This was partly offset by shareholder distributions of 3,000,000,000 related to the 2024 dividend and 700,000,000.0 for share repurchases. Our tangible book value as of quarter end was $25.95 per share, reflecting a sequential increase of 3%. Overall, we continue to operate with a highly fortified and resilient balance sheet with total loss absorbing capacity of 191,000,000,000, a net stable funding ratio of 122%, and then LCR of 182%. Turning to capital on slide nine.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Our CET1 capital ratio at the June was 14.4%, and our CET one leverage ratio was 4.4%. Our common equity tier one capital in the quarter increased by 4,000,000,000, principally due to earnings accretion and FX. As a reminder, the full 3,000,000,000 share buyback plan for 2025, including the 2,000,000,000 expected in the second half was already reflected in our capital position at the end of the first quarter. Risk weighted assets rose by 21,000,000,000 sequentially, predominantly driven by FX with 3,000,000,000 from asset growth. I would note that we presently operate unconstrained by the output floor, which during 2025 is equal to 60% of RWAs determined under the standardized approach.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

We are undertaking measures to minimize the impact as the output floor gradually increases to 72.5% of standardized RWAs by 2028. Our leverage ratio denominator grew by 97,000,000,000 quarter on quarter with over 90% of the uplift due to currency translation. UBS AG's standalone CET1 capital ratio for 2Q was 13.2%, up from 12.9% in the prior quarter. The higher ratio is mainly due to an increase in CET1 capital, primarily reflecting its Swiss subsidiaries annual dividend payment, partly offset by an additional dividend accrual in the parent bank's own accounts. This brought UBS AG's total dividend accrual for the 2025 to 8,000,000,000 and comes on top of the 6,500,000,000.0 accrued at the end of last year.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

The parent bank now expects to distribute the 6,500,000,000.0 to the holding company before the 2025. I would highlight that in managing leverage ratios across group entities, we may pace intercompany dividend accruals to maintain prudent capital buffers and offset the FX driven headwind on leverage ratios across group entities. While we maintain our intention to operate UBS AG's standalone CET1 capital ratio between 12.513%, we'd expect the parent bank to remain above the upper end of the target range as long as dollar weakness persists. Turning to our business divisions and starting on slide 10 with Global Wealth Management, which continues to deliver strong net new assets, support clients with diversified and differentiated solutions and drive higher revenues on capital deployed. GWM's pretax profit was 1,400,000,000.0 up 24% as revenue growth outpaced expenses by five percentage points.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

This translated to a year over year improvement in GWM's cost income ratio of almost four percentage points to 77%. One of GWM's enduring advantages is its unrivaled regional breadth. This enables us to deliver global connectivity to our clients at a time when wealth is increasingly mobile and investment capital is rotating across geographies, sectors and asset classes. As illustrated in our regional disclosure on page 20, all regions delivered double digit profit growth led by notable strength in The Americas and EMEA. In The Americas, our franchise delivered improvements across all revenue lines, driving profit growth of 48% and a pretax margin of 12.4%, while remaining focused on the execution of its strategic plan.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

In EMEA, profit before tax increased by 30% driven by strong transaction based revenues coupled with higher recurring fees and continued cost discipline. APAC grew its profits by 12%, driven by double digit growth in both transactional and recurring fees and supported by sustained sales momentum across net new assets, mandates and deposits. Profitability in our Swiss wealth business rose by 10% on strong revenue growth. Onto flows. GWM's invested assets increased by 7% sequentially from favorable market conditions, FX and positive asset flows.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

With $55,000,000,000 of net new assets accumulated year to date, our performance reflects continued strong client momentum and broad based contributions across regions. In the second quarter, we generated $23,000,000,000 of net new assets, representing a growth rate of 2.2% or 3.2% excluding $11,000,000,000 of seasonal tax related outflows in The Americas. Our net new asset performance this quarter also reflects continued progress in managing the roll off of preferential fixed term deposits linked to our 2023 win back campaign, which is now largely completed. This campaign played a critical role in restoring confidence and stability in the Credit Suisse wealth franchise following the acquisition, as well as successfully winning back client assets. Over the past twelve months, GWM expertly managed to retain over 80% of maturing preferential fixed term deposits on our platform, converting these investments into higher margin solutions, including mandates.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Net new fee generating assets in the quarter were 8,000,000,000 with positive flows across all regions. Client engagement continues to deepen, reflected in the rising penetration of fee generating assets across the division and by sustained momentum in our CIO led signature solutions. At the same time, the uneven market backdrop in the quarter prompted the rebalancing of portfolios towards liquidity solutions as clients deferred new investment allocations. As a result, we recorded 9,000,000,000 in net new deposit inflows in the quarter, enhancing our capacity to capture fee generating assets when confidence and visibility improve. Net new loans in the quarter were positive at 3,400,000,000.0 driven by EMEA and The Americas.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Our differentiated partnership between wealth and the IB in delivering tailored lending solutions is a key driver of loan growth and revenue momentum. Turning to revenues, which increased by 6%. Recurring net fee income grew by 8% to 3,400,000,000.0, supported by positive market performance and over $60,000,000,000 in net new fee generating assets over the past twelve months. Transaction based income was up by 11% to $1,200,000,000 underscoring strong client engagement despite the moderating effects of the quarter's V shaped market dynamics on investor sentiment. Amid heightened market turbulence, clients took advantage of short term market opportunities to reposition tactically.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

This was particularly evident in our investment fund and cash equity offerings, where revenues increased by 2717% respectively. As we entered the third quarter, risk assets continue to appreciate supporting portfolio rebalancing and broadly constructive investor sentiment. This said, with volatility returning to more typical levels and seasonal patterns normalizing, we expect growth in transactional activity in GWM to moderate relative to the 2024 when elevated volatility had a more pronounced impact on client engagement and transaction volumes. Net interest income at $1,600,000,000 was down 2% year over year and up 1% quarter over quarter with the sequential trend reflecting FX tailwinds and higher current account balances, partly offset by the effects of lower Swiss franc and euro deposit rates. Looking ahead, we expect NII to hold steady sequentially as support from a higher day count and currency effects will be largely offset by lower deposit rates.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

For full year 2025, we continue to expect GWM's net interest income to decrease by a low single digit percentage compared to 2024. Underlying operating expenses were up by 1% with lower personnel and support costs more than offset by higher variable compensation tied to revenues. Looking through variable compensation, litigation and currency effects, costs were down 5% year over year. Turning to personal and corporate banking on slide 11, where my comments will refer to Swiss francs. P and C delivered a second quarter pretax profit of $557,000,000, down 14% driven by an 11% reduction in net interest income.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

While the current zero interest rate environment in Switzerland in many respects is driving the narrative for P and C, The business is positioning itself for profitable growth once rate headwinds subside and the intensive Swiss client platform migration work is complete. This is evidenced by growth across net new investment products, loans and deposits, all while momentum in acquiring new clients in the affluent and corporate space is accelerating. Non NII revenues were down 3% despite a resilient performance in our personal banking business. On the corporate side, in addition to headwinds from currency translation, the sharp dollar drop and the widening of dollar Swiss interest rate spreads caused revenues from corporate FX hedging activity to slow, while trade and export finance activity also reduced. This was partly offset by higher revenues in corporate finance.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Sequentially, NII in Swiss francs decreased by 2%, largely reflecting the effects of the 25 basis point rate cut announced in March, which was partly offset by targeted deposit pricing measures and lower funding costs. While the S and B policy rate now at zero following the additional cut in June, as noted previously, rate movements up or down are expected to benefit our net interest income. This said, the implied forward curve has flattened over the last few months, suggesting the current rate environment could persist for some time, broadly keeping Swiss franc NII at current levels through the rest of the year. In U. S.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Dollar terms at current FX, this translates to a sequential low single digit percentage increase in 3Q and a mid single digit percentage decline year on year for full year 2025. Turning to credit loss expense, CLE in the second quarter was $91,000,000 on an average loan portfolio of $249,000,000,000 translating to a 15 basis point cost of risk, up seven basis points sequentially, but marginally down over the last twelve months. This included stage three charges of 74,000,000, mainly on smaller non performing positions. Operating expenses in the quarter were down 5% as the team remains focused on deflating its cost base while the Swiss client migration work remains ongoing. Moving to slide 12.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Asset management profit before tax was 216,000,000, down 5% year on year, reflecting the absence of a gain from disposal that contributed to the prior year quarter. Excluding that gain, asset management's pretax profits were up eight percent on 4% higher revenues. 2Q marks the fifth consecutive quarter that the business delivered pretax profits exceeding 200,000,000, a testament to the business' strategic retooling and disciplined execution. This consistency achieved despite secular headwinds and the integration underscores its agility in adapting to evolving market dynamics and its ability to drive positive operating leverage in a transitional environment. This positions asset management well for future growth.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Net management fees increased by 3%, primarily driven by FX and higher average invested assets, which together outweigh the effects of margin compression from clients having rotated into lower margin products over the past year. Performance fees were 39,000,000, up over a third year over year, mainly driven by our hedge fund businesses. Net new money was negative 2,000,000,000, primarily as outflows from fixed income and multi assets more than offset flows into ETFs, SMAs, and money markets. Our investments in ETFs are yielding results with 4,000,000,000 of inflows in the second quarter. We also recently launched our first active ETF, offering access to our Credit Investments Group, a leading platform specializing in non investment grade credit and multi credit solutions.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Our unified global alternatives unit delivered 1,500,000,000.0 of institutional and wholesale new client commitments, which came alongside 7,000,000,000 in wealth management. Operating expenses were 3% higher or down 1% excluding FX. On to slide 13 in the Investment Bank. In the IB, we delivered a profit before tax of 526,000,000, up 28% and a pretax return on equity of 11.5% leading to a first half pretax ROE of 13.6%. Revenues increased by 13% to 2,800,000,000.0, a record second quarter driven by global markets.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Banking revenues decreased by 22% to 521,000,000, largely reflecting the effects of macroeconomic uncertainties affecting clients' strategic decisions, especially in the first part of the quarter. In advisory, revenues decreased by 19% despite growth in M and A in The Americas and EMEA, where we outperformed the fee pools. Capital markets revenues declined by 24% driven by LCM and reflecting a continuing trend from 1Q as the mix within the LCM fee pool in The Americas has shifted towards corporates and away from sponsors where we're more concentrated. Also weighing on our performance this quarter was a markdown on a now largely derisked LCM underwriting position. This together with a markdown on hedging positions drove a total 65,000,000 headwind in the quarter.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

ECM grew by 45%, reflecting the benefits of targeted investments and pipeline strength as IPO activity began to recover. APAC was the standout regional contributor. Looking ahead, we remain encouraged by improved market sentiment and by the strength of our pipeline, which continues to build and is expected to support our growth ambitions in banking over the coming quarters, assuming a constructive backdrop. Revenues in markets increased by 26% to 2,300,000,000.0, tracking the exceptional levels of volatility experienced at the start of the quarter. The dynamic trading environment and elevated client activity levels in equities and FX were once again particularly supportive of our strategic positioning and business mix, boosting our ability to capture growth and market share.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Equities revenues were were 20% higher than the prior year quarter, driven by a record 2Q across cash equities, equity derivatives and financing. In financing, top line growth of 27% was supported by prime brokerage delivering record level revenues and client balances. FRC increased by 41%, primarily driven by FX delivering its best second quarter, up 52%. Notably, our leading FX trading capabilities helped us to capture client demand for hedging products amid FX volatility in the quarter. Looking ahead, we expect our markets performance in 3Q to reflect seasonality and more normalized levels of trading activity and volatility, both sequentially and versus the prior year quarter.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Operating expenses rose by 7%, largely reflecting increases in personnel expenses and currency effects. Excluding FX, costs were up 4%. On slide 14, non core and legacy's pretax profit was $1,000,000 with negative revenues of $83,000,000 Funding costs of around $120,000,000 were partly offset by revenues from position exits and securitized products and credit. Operating expenses in the quarter were negative $83,000,000 driven by the litigation release I mentioned earlier. Excluding litigation, costs were down 46% year on year and 25% sequentially as the team continues to make strong progress in driving out costs.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

For the second half of the year, we expect NCL to generate an underlying pretax loss, excluding litigation of around 1,000,000,000 including negative revenues of around 200,000,000, mainly from funding costs. Revenues from carry, continued exits and remaining fair value positions are expected to net around zero and underlying operating expenses given the ongoing strong progress should now average around 400,000,000 per quarter. On to slide 15. Since the 2023, NCL has reduced its non operational risk RWAs by over 80%, including by another $1,000,000,000 this quarter, in total freeing up over $7,000,000,000 of capital for the group. In addition to significantly strengthening our capital and risk position, the wind down efforts expertly executed by the team over the past several quarters have led to a reduction of the divisional cost base by over two thirds.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Also, as of the June, NCL closed 83 of the 14,000 books they started with and decommissioned over half of its IT applications. To sum up, with an underlying return on c 1 for the first half of the year of 13.3% and strong execution across key integration milestones, we remain firmly on track to achieve our financial targets by the 2026, an underlying return on CET1 capital of around 15% and an underlying cost income ratio of less than 70%. With that, let's open up for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session for analyst and investor. Our first question comes from Kian Abouhossein from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Kian Abouhossein
Kian Abouhossein
Research Analyst at JP Morgan

Yes. Thank you for taking my questions. The first question is related to the parent bank, u UBS AG, where you gave us a number of $14,500,000,000 of accruals. Also, clearly understand the special dividend reserve of 6 and a half billion. I'm just wondering the 8,000,000,000 accrual that is remaining, so to say, can you discuss that part and what you will do with this part in terms of distribution, double leverage, or any other usage?

Kian Abouhossein
Kian Abouhossein
Research Analyst at JP Morgan

And the second question is related to wealth management US, Americas. You have advisers down quarter on quarter. Can you please talk about where we are in the process of the improvement in pretax margin in wealth management in The US and the initial thinking and thoughts post adjustment of adviser incentives? Thank you.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Hi, Ken. Thanks for the questions. Regarding the, 8,000,000,000 you highlighted, which is our one h 25 accruals at the the parent bank, the expectation is that they'll be upstreamed, hence, the accrual. And we will, our expectation is that our equity double leverage ratio, which will will print in the parent in the group accounts in the coming days, will be sub one ten at the end of February. And with the with with what we intend to pay up in the second half of the year, which is the 6 and a half billion I highlighted in my comments, the equity double leverage ratio group will be, sub one zero five, by the end of the year and moving towards the targets that, we set out, which is to align with an equity double leverage ratio of around a 100%, which is, you know, where we were pre Credit Suisse.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

In terms of, Wealth Management, US, and, and your comments, you know, thank you for recognizing the improvement in in the in the pretax margin and your question around, around advisers. So first, we're we are making progress improving the pretax margin in the business. As I've said in the past, you know, we have the array of, of initiatives that, we reset strategically and announced in April, and we're chipping away and making, and making strong progress. You know, in terms of the, the FA point, look, our platform in The US remains highly attractive for advisers as we continue to invest in, technology. And and as I've highlighted before, the availability of best in class CIO insight and joint teaming with the investment bank is giving us a competitive advantage.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

And we're also seeing that our platform, Keyin, remains a compelling source of of asset and profit growth for advisers who are aligned to our strategy. And that's evidenced by the exceptional same store net new money growth we've seen in the first half, which is substantially above levels in in each of the last three years. I'd also highlight that 90% of our FA's are up in t 12 production. But in terms of headcount, look, the second quarter is typically seasonally more active in terms of FA moves across the street. And the changes we've introduced, which I think you were referring to and which I've highlighted previously, means that we could see some continued movement across firms and to the independent channel.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Having said that, we're actively recruiting, and we're also seeing more FAs commit to stay and retire at UBS than at any time since we've introduced this retention program several years ago.

Kian Abouhossein
Kian Abouhossein
Research Analyst at JP Morgan

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Anke Reingen from RBC. Please go ahead.

Anke Reingen
Anke Reingen
Banks Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Thank you very much for taking my questions. The first is on the output floor. You mentioned that you're looking into your ability to mitigate the currently around €48,000,000,000 of RWAs. Can you talk a bit more about potentially about the magnitude you think you can mitigate? And then secondly, sorry, on the FX derivatives point, can you sort of like try to size the matter for us as much as is possible?

Anke Reingen
Anke Reingen
Banks Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

And did Q2 already see some impact of potential compensations? You very much.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Anka. Thanks for the questions. On the on the output floors, you know, I mentioned in my comments, we're operating unconstrained presently. You're you're you're asking about where we see, the potential for the output floor to, cause an increase in, the the RWAs we operate with. So we are hard at work in, in in developing mitigants, to address, the output flow wherever possible.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

And, you know, it's it's way too early to to prejudge, where we'll come out. But we'll, you know, we'll we'll keep posted, in our disclosures and and in my comments from time to time to talk about the progress that, we're making, but it's a clear focus for for us. And we still obviously have, you know, the better part of the next two years to, continue to make progress, in that respect. On the, on on the FX matter, you know, as we have, our our comments previously, in this is that we've completed a comprehensive review, of this matter. We've determined that a very small number of clients, fewer than 200, in in just a few locations in Switzerland who had, exposure to a product outside our standard asset allocation framework or their particular individual risk capacity experienced losses mainly arising from US tariff related market volatility in in April at the beginning of the quarter. But from the outset, we've taken the matter very seriously and where appropriate, we've reached agreements with affected clients. The financial impact from these agreements is substantially captured in our second quarter results.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Chris Hallman from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Chris Hallam
Chris Hallam
MD & Head - European Financials Research at Goldman Sachs

Yes. Good morning, everybody. Just two quick questions. So first of all, what are your latest expectations regarding the deduction elements of the capital proposals, including whether or not they may get wrapped into the broader legislative package, I. E, taken out of ordinance?

Chris Hallam
Chris Hallam
MD & Head - European Financials Research at Goldman Sachs

Do you expect to have sufficient clarity on any potential phasing or delays in time to be able to calibrate the 26 distribution ambitions later well, I guess, early next year with the fourth quarter results? And then secondly, just on the longer term, I guess, Slide 26, the bar chart, it's a pretty powerful image. I just I wonder when you show that to people you're engaging with in this topic, what's their response? How do you think how receptive are they to understanding the longer run competitive impact on the business from these proposals rather than the nearer term recalibration of the rules per se? Thank you.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Thank you. Well, first of all, I think that, as I mentioned before, we're gonna see exactly how things play out. Honestly, I I don't think we have a a clear insight here on on what's gonna happen. The economic committee of the upper house will also have to opine on on on this proposal to basically put everything into a one package. Then it's still very open if the parliament will follow the recommendation should also the upper house committee propose any any any any change.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

So that really remains something that is is not predictable, is not in our control. I think that's the only thing I can say is that, as I mentioned, we will now finalize our assessment of the proposals and trying to identify, you know, how, you know, potential positive strengths of the proposal, but also its weaknesses, but also making sure that people understand that capital goes with liquidity and goes with recovery and resolution and should also somehow be related to the business model that a bank is pursuing. So in that sense, trying to have a comprehensive fact set of facts before coming to a decision would be probably a good way to handle the problem. But, you know, this is this is a political problem a a political process. We fully respect what's going on, and our aim is simply to contribute to the debate.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

So as I said early on in September, most likely we will be able to comment on these proposals publicly. In respect of this chart, yes, thanks for highlighting this because unfortunately, we also saw some other graphic representation of what the new regime would mean, and they were confusing a little bit capital requirement with actual level of capital owed by other banks under representing the impact in relative terms to us. This, we feel, is the best way to fully highlight what is, I think, is is important, is minimum requirement versus minimum requirement. If a bank decides to have a buffer above its minimum requirement, it it its own decision. They may have their own idiosyncratic reasons, but, the binding constraints for all of us is always minimum requirement.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Therefore, here, you have a clear picture. So, you know, the average is 11 and a half percent sorry, 10.11%, 10.9%. And when you compare it to the facto minimum proposal of 19%, it tells you the story. So

Chris Hallam
Chris Hallam
MD & Head - European Financials Research at Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Giulia Aurora Miotto from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Giulia Aurora Miotto
Giulia Aurora Miotto
Executive Director - Equity Research, European Banks at Morgan Stanley

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. And I have two on capital again. So I know that you want to run with a double leverage of 100%, which makes sense. But if this capital was to go ahead as it is currently written, which completely removes any subsidiary double leverage, would you consider running with higher levels of double leverage between group and parent?

Giulia Aurora Miotto
Giulia Aurora Miotto
Executive Director - Equity Research, European Banks at Morgan Stanley

And then secondly, the stress test results in The U. S. Showed an improvement year on year and the capital requirement should come down. Could you give us an update of how much capital do you expect to upstream from The US? I think you said vaguely that you were expecting some upstreaming, but I don't know if you can quantify that. Thank you.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Let me take, you know, quickly the you know, because somehow the technicalities, as as we say, you know you know, we are running our business and our capital plan and capital returns as communicated in the past. So our we're going to take down the equity double leverage ratio at group level, as Todd just mentioned, to around 100%, which is where we were before the acquisition, pending the finalization of these proposals. When if and when this proposal are fully adopted, we will need to then understand exactly how to mitigate and how to act. But it's now premature to talk about one item without knowing the entire the entire package. So this is the only thing I can tell you.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

So we're not gonna engage into mitigation remediation, you you know, whatever you want to call it before we know exactly what the final rules are. So, Todd, maybe you want to take that.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Thanks, Sergio. Hi, Julia. On the on the second, appreciate you bringing that up. Let let me unpack it a little bit, in terms of The US stress tests, just to, you know, ensure clarity here. So first thing I'd say is the look.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

The lower drawdown from the stress tests that were published highlights for me our improved strength and resilience in The US intermediate holding company, including, the profitability prospects that it has. Secondly, I'd say that that those DFAST results happen to align with our own, internal capital assessment in terms of direction to travel, which is to say that, you know, we we too, are seeing an improvement. And it's also important to remember that our internal assessment governs if if it's higher than the, the Fed's CCAR results. I would also mention that we manage with appropriate buffers to support growth and and also align with supervisory expectations. That's an important point.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

The next point I would just highlight is that, the the lower capital ratio we're working towards, you know, has always been part of our, planning assumptions at the 2023, including repatriating additional capital as a result of, integrating Credit Suisse and otherwise driving, greater profitability. And and so all this is allowing for capital repatriation upside, but all of that is factored into, you know, our planning from from the from the beginning as the as the you know, as we see an opportunity for the capital ratio to move down and for us to upstream capital as a result. And and just I would make one other point just about the current, ratio because sometimes this gets overlooked. And, of course, the current ratio that we'll print in our pillar three at around 20% is is, you know, on its trajectory down since Credit Suisse, and it was, you know, at as high as 27%. But one point that we shouldn't lose sight of is that the capital ratio in The US is structurally higher than the equivalent ratio under Swiss banking law, primarily due to, the absence of of things like capital consumed by operational risks, dividend accruals, and lower DTA threshold.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So the the Swiss SRB equivalent, ratio could be, five to eight basis five to eight percentage points lower. And so that's also important to keep in mind when looking like for like, at our US ratio, say, versus other ratios within the group.

Giulia Aurora Miotto
Giulia Aurora Miotto
Executive Director - Equity Research, European Banks at Morgan Stanley

Thank you. Can I just follow-up? So if I understand what Sergio said correctly, it it's premature to comment on mitigating actions, and you will only comment on them when we have clarity on the proposal. But my understanding, it will take quite a while to get clarity on the proposal, potentially a couple of years. So is that the timeline we should expect? Thanks.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Yeah. But if it takes a couple of years, means the the new regulation is not enforced, so we will not have to implement it. So so we're not gonna front we're not we're not gonna front run any new capital regime. That's clear. So we we will wait and see exactly what it is.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

And when it happen, we will then take the appropriate time to phase in whatever will be phased in. So we do expect that it's already been communicated that any changes will be done with an appropriate time frame that allows the bank to manage the process smoothly. So think that's the reason why I don't think it's necessary for us to start to comment on single measures.

Operator

The next question comes from Jeremy Sigee from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Jeremy Sigee
Equity Research Analyst - European & US Banks at BNP Paribas

Good morning. Thank you. Just a clarification, please, on the double leverage question, the UBS Group AG stand alone. Because it's down it looks to me that it's down to 108% at first half. And if I add in the €6,500,000,000 dividend that's coming, it would actually be below 100%.

Jeremy Sigee
Equity Research Analyst - European & US Banks at BNP Paribas

Are there any contra, any offsets to that, that I need to think about? Because it looks to me like that dividend fully eliminates the double leverage even before you then receive more dividends that you're accruing this year. So that would be helpful to clarify. And then secondly, a question moving to wealth management. Just on really on conditions in Asia and what client behavior you're seeing because it looked to me that the flow number was very good, but the revenues were a little bit softer.

Jeremy Sigee
Equity Research Analyst - European & US Banks at BNP Paribas

So I just wondered if you could describe how Asian clients are behaving in this environment.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Hi, Jeremy. Thanks for your questions. So on the double average, just to reiterate my my comments earlier. So we expect that the double leverage ratio will be around a 109% at the end of February. As I mentioned, we will pay up the 6 and a half billion from Parent Bank to group in the second half of the year, and that would bring the double leverage ratio to around a 103% because we still you have to account for share repurchases both on the first and second trading line as well, that offsets the the upstream dividends.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So you get to a a level that, as I mentioned, was sub one zero five, but to be more precise, one zero one zero three. In terms of your second question, yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up. I mean, we we're seeing, you know, sustained client momentum in APAC. The business is doing very well across all all the metrics. You know, I think in, in Asia, in in particular, some of the comments that I was making in my my prepared remarks about, you know, there being somewhat, some rebalancing of portfolios, some some more tactical repositioning of portfolios, which is to say that, you know, potentially a little bit sideline sentiment.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

It's it's hard to obviously characterize, you know, sophisticated investors across that mass geography, in in one sentence. But, you know, if I had to, you know, I would say that there is a a bit of, a wait and see, just given some of the uncertainty in the environment, in in the in the macro environment and certainly with trade policies and and and what's happening in The States. And and obviously, that's a big determinant of of investor sentiment, in in APAC. We have seen, mobility, you know, away from The US to an extent. You know, I don't wanna overemphasize that, but, we have seen that.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So we're seeing we're seeing some of the macro trends playing out in particular. But the activity was was robust, but you can expect that, you know, once there is more certainty priced in and more conviction around markets normalizing that, you know, that that business is poised to to really capitalize.

Jeremy Sigee
Equity Research Analyst - European & US Banks at BNP Paribas

That's great. Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Amit Goel from Mediobanca. Please go ahead.

Amit Goel
Managing Director at Mediobanca

Hi. Thank you. So two questions for me. One, just to clarify, I think the comment earlier in terms of the parent bank CET1 ratio that whilst dollar weakness persists, you would look to remain above the top end of the 12.5% to 13% ratio. So I just wanted to understand why or what exactly drives that?

Amit Goel
Managing Director at Mediobanca

And so when you think or what level of dollar weakness or strength would mean that you could be back into the to that range? And then secondly, I guess a broader question again on kind of strategy. I mean, just it would be good actually if we could get a bit more color or it would be helpful if we get more color in terms of the synergies between The U. S. Wealth business

Amit Goel
Managing Director at Mediobanca

I mean, there's a lot of commentary about how the breadth of the business is helpful. Because I guess what I'm just curious about or wondering is whilst clearly it's core and it's part of the group, how you would react if, for example, there was a credible unsolicited bid for that business, how you'd be able to explain to investors and the market why that remains core and why it's synergistic with the portfolio. You could give a bit more color in terms of the synergies with the IB asset management, etcetera. Thank you.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So just quickly on the first one. Yes, just to unpack the dynamics there. So with the FX volatility we saw to in the quarter, to be specific, dollar weakness, that, as you saw in or heard in my commentary, even just a group level around LRD, where LRD was, you know, up over a 100,000,000,000 and and most of that was due to FX. We have that dynamic, in many of our subsidiaries as well, including UBS AG. And so it made its tier one leverage marginally more constraining this quarter and needed to be managed just given the you know, if if you think about the ratio just with the leverage rate the the leverage ratio denominator being so massively impacted by by FX.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So that's why I made the comment about pacing intercompany dividend accruals with the thought being that we could have actually accrued more of a dividend at the parent bank in, into q, if not constrained a bit, more marginally constrained on the leverage side. So, you know, that that's the dynamic that was driving, why the the parent bank c two parent bank c two one on a stand alone basis drifted above 13%. And my comment about sort of managing it above or operating above, you know, the target level, I e, where it is now or, you know, in that vicinity is is a is a result of the fact that, you know, we would continue to see leverage being marginally constraining, at current FX, say, you know, $80 Swiss levels. You asked what levels would that change. I think it's fair to say that, everything that we talk about in terms of target levels is done on a planning basis.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

And so if you go back to the end of last year when we finalized our our our three year plan, including 2026 operating plan, you know, dollar Swiss was, you know, much was was around 90. So, you know, 10 or 12% stronger from a dollar perspective. And so, you know, that that's an assumption you could think about sort of getting back to our planning levels in in managing what we think would be the appropriate time to move back into the target the target range of capital.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

So thank you for the second question. So I I think that, you know, as I mentioned before, it's one of the strength of for UBS is to have both in terms of businesses, but also regional footprint, a diversified business model. So when when I look at our US operation, I think that it's fair to say that in in wealth management, we are not yet there where we should be in terms of profitability. But as you could see from the recent developments, we are tackling the issue. We are convinced that in in the in the medium term, we will be able to achieve a double digit mid teens kind of return on pretax profit margins.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

And that that being then a base to go to a higher end, notwithstanding the fact that we do recognize that on a like for like basis, it's going to be very difficult for us to close the gap to our peers. But we can narrow the gap substantially, particularly when you look at the wealth management operation in The US. So basically, the FA based business model compare on a like for like to other peers, which are benefiting from ancillary activities around their wealth management business, which contributes to a higher margin. So in a nutshell, what I want to say is that when I look at a kind of mid teens, high teens pretax profit margins as part of a diversified business model, as part of what is the global the leading franchise in wealth management globally in terms of diversification. I see only value creation for our shareholders.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

This is a highly profitable business. By the way, The US operation benefits from this status as being an international player with strong capabilities, international capabilities that we bring to our US clients. We are sharing cost of the CIO, sharing, I mean, cost of coming out with best products, research, and so on and so forth. So we also have synergies within wealth management. So, you know, that's the reason why this is a strategic important component of our strategy.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

Now in respect of your second question, you will appreciate that I'm not gonna go into speculations or commenting even remotely on hypothetical approaches or situations.

Amit Goel
Managing Director at Mediobanca

Thank you.

Operator

The last question comes from Benjamin Goy from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Benjamin Goy
Benjamin Goy
Head - European Financials Research at Deutsche Bank

Yes, good morning. Two questions to follow-up. One is on the cost base. So your underlying cost base continues to track down now just above €36,000,000,000 Just wondering what is the outlook here and how much more we should expect in the second half if you probably keep on decommissioning? And then secondly, net interest income in GWM was stable in the second quarter.

Benjamin Goy
Benjamin Goy
Head - European Financials Research at Deutsche Bank

Now you also guide to broadly flat in Q3. Is this not a trough? Or you want to see how the Fed cut potentially more later on and this could impact the net income going forward or is volume growth strong enough? Thank you.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

Hi, Benjamin. Thanks for your questions. On the first on the cost base, and thanks for recognizing the achievement to date. You know, we still have a ways to go, you know, even though we're, of course, 70% in and around 9,000,000,000 of the 13,000,000,000. The 4,000,000,000, that we have to to go, on constant, FX, you know, is gonna be kinda split half half between technology, as you mentioned.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So decommissioning of our tech stack is gonna be critical. And the other half would be people related, capacity related, or driving the you know, getting the additional 4,000,000,000 of gross gross cost saves. So what you should expect in terms of, you know, gross is that we're gonna stay focused on achieving this additional 4,000,000,000. It's not a straight line as we've said, you know, many times in many quarters that, you know, the tech decommissioning can only happen after, the Swiss client migration process is complete, around the January '26. So then that process starts there.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So you can expect that really in the '26, we'll see a fair bit of the cost base come out on the tech side, and related capacity freed up as a as a result. So, and then in terms of what that means from a net perspective, of course, you know, we're gonna stay focused on delivering an underlying cost income ratio below 70% as we've consistently said, and that's gonna be the driver of the of the net outcome. On on the NII outlook in in in wealth, yeah, I mean, I I mentioned that, you know, it's flattish with higher loan volumes we see and higher SBLs offset by lower deposit rates and and volumes as we're deploying some of the of the dry powder into investment solutions on our platform. We see sweep balances in current accounts broadly broadly stable. On the volume side, we see N and L net new loans expected uptick in each of the, you know, the next couple of quarters.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So we're looking at a a 4% annual growth rate in in N and L for, you know, for the business. So we're, you know, broadly broadly optimistic there. Again, this is all based on expectations around around rates. We're pricing in a two twenty five basis point rate cuts by the Fed over the course of the second half of the year. Let's see where that comes in, but that's also, you know, impacting on the balance sheet dynamics as the way we look at it.

Todd Tuckner
Todd Tuckner
CFO & Member of Executive Board at UBS Group

So in terms of just troughing, I would say, look, on the basis of what we see here, you know, we we see moderate upside in in in '26, but, of course, it's it's too early to call that and we'll come back as the year, as we approach April and give, you know, more specificity around, the '26 outlook.

Benjamin Goy
Benjamin Goy
Head - European Financials Research at Deutsche Bank

Perfect. Thank you.

Sergio Ermotti
Sergio Ermotti
Group CEO at UBS Group

So thank you. This was the last questions. As I mentioned, we are now working on finalizing our response to the proposals. So and as soon as we are ready to go, you know, probably towards the August, September, we will organize a a a public event in order to basically explain our position that we will submit in the public consultation. So in the meantime, enjoy the rest of the summer, and thanks for calling in. Thank you.

Operator

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