Tactile Systems Technology Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 4, 2025

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Tactile delivered Q2 revenue growth of 7.8% to $78.9 million, beating expectations, with gross margin up 60 bps to 74.5% and adjusted EBITDA of $7.7 million.
  • Positive Sentiment: Airway clearance sales of Aflovest surged 52% year-over-year to $12.9 million, supported by preferred partnerships with top 10 respiratory DMEs and 1,200+ provider training events.
  • Positive Sentiment: The lymphedema segment stabilized post-CRM rollout, with field headcount up 11% to 293 reps and strong adoption of the Nimble system driving sequential revenue growth.
  • Positive Sentiment: Technology investments—25% e-prescribing adoption via Parachute and planned AI integration—are set to accelerate order processing, boost accuracy, and reduce patient leakage.
  • Positive Sentiment: 2025 guidance raised to $310 million–$350 million in revenue (+6–8%) and $33 million–$35 million adjusted EBITDA, reflecting confidence in lymphedema (1.5–3% growth) and airway clearance (40–43% growth).
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Earnings Conference Call
Tactile Systems Technology Q2 2025
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There are 6 speakers on the call.

Speaker 4

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the second quarter 2025 earnings conference call for Tactile Medical. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. At the end of the company's prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference call is being recorded and will be available on the company's website for replay shortly. I would now like to turn the call over to Sam Bentzinger, Investor Relations at Gilmartin Group, for a few introductory comments. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining the call today. With me from Tactile Systems Technology, Inc.'s management team are Sheri Dodd, Chief Executive Officer, and Elaine Birkemeyer, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that our remarks and responses to your questions today may contain forward-looking statements that are based on the current expectations of management and involve inherent risks and uncertainties. These could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated, including those identified in the risk factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K, as well as our most recent 10-K filings to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Such factors may be updated from time to time in our filings with the SEC, which are available on our website.

Speaker 4

We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise our forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. This call will also include references to certain financial measures that are not calculated in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP. We generally refer to these as non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of those non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable measures calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP are available in the earnings press release on the Investor Relations portion of our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Sheri.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Sam. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter 2025 earnings call. Here with me is Elaine Birkemeyer, our Chief Financial Officer. We delivered a strong performance this quarter, marked by total revenue growth of 7.8% year-over-year to $78.9 million, ahead of our previously stated Q2 expectations. By business lines, lymphedema revenue increased 2% year-over-year to $66 million, and airway clearance revenue increased 51.6% year-over-year to $12.9 million. Q2 gross margins increased 60 basis points year-over-year to 74.5%. On the bottom line, adjusted EBITDA of $7.7 million was down 15% year-over-year, as expected, due to our planned technology and sales headcount investments. From a balance sheet perspective, we ended Q2 with $81.5 million after accounting for additional stock buyback under our recently completed stock repurchase program. We have moved past the early disruptive stages of our Q1 CRM implementation and Salesforce rebalance and optimization plan.

Speaker 2

Our growth and leverage strategies are in their execution phase, and we are increasingly confident in our ability to drive consistently improving results. Elaine will elaborate on our full second quarter results, as well as provide an update on our financial guidance for 2025. I will focus the rest of my remarks on a review of our individual business line performances and share progress on our key 2025 strategic priorities: improving access to care, expanding treatment options for lymphedema patients, and enhancing the lifetime patient value. Beginning with a Q2 review of our lymphedema business line, lymphedema revenue grew 2% year-over-year and over 30% sequentially. Our performance reflects focused execution of our go-to-market commercial strategy and including strong adoption of Nimble.

Speaker 2

From a field perspective, our Q1 Salesforce rebalance and optimization process provided us with a strategic investment roadmap for the right roles in the right geographic location to meet and drive demand across our lymphedema business. Specific to headcount, we ended the quarter with 293 total reps, split between 161 account managers and 132 product specialists. This is an 11% increase compared to our sales headcount at the end of Q1. We continue to experience manageable attrition, and our goal for 2025 remains to employ over 300 total reps by year-end. We are pleased with the pace of our talent acquisition and the caliber of our recent hired reps. Their time to productivity is enhanced by a well-designed CRM and a structured onboarding plan that exposes them to all channel call points, which includes vascular, oncology, therapist, and the VA.

Speaker 2

For newer reps in particular, the combination of Nimble and our e-prescribing tool, in addition to well-established vascular call points, has positively influenced their initial selling activity. We are confident that all channels are healthy, and with more capacity and feet on the street moving forward, we expect to see continued growth in all channels over time. As a reminder, each of our channels has a different inherent product mix, and based on those demographics, a different payer mix. With increased and strategically placed field resources, coupled with the CRM module enhancements and developing proficiency, we expect rep productivity, as measured by referrals per territory, to incrementally improve over the year. Compared to where we were in Q1, we are very pleased with the momentum and remain committed to our 2025 go-to-market plan. We also remain confident in the attractive fundamentals of the broader lymphedema market.

Speaker 2

We estimate there are approximately 145,000 patients in the U.S. that are diagnosed with lymphedema and currently being treated with either a pneumatic compression device or a non-pneumatic compression device. We estimate this patient population is growing at 10% annually. There are approximately 2 million U.S. patients who are diagnosed with lymphedema and not currently receiving a PCD or non-PCD treatment. Further penetration into this patient population represents our near-term commercial focus. Finally, there are approximately 20 million U.S. patients with lymphedema who are undiagnosed, and an even larger population beyond that of patients who fall within our product indication. This represents our mid to long-term commercial focus, and we are eager to build out those strategies. From a reimbursement perspective, we continue to see favorable near-term payer policy environment following last year's challenging Medicare coverage dynamics.

Speaker 2

Through successful claims adjudication and direct engagement with the Max, we are gaining more clarity on the interpretation of the unique characteristics requirements. We believe the coverage landscape is becoming more supportive for patients that need advanced pump therapy. These patients now have a clearer path to receive the right product that meets their clinical needs at the right time. Turning now to our airway clearance business line, sales of AffloVest increased 52% year-over-year and 21% sequentially in Q2, demonstrating sustained momentum following our strong start to the year. The key drivers of performance are consistent with what we had previously shared. We are executing well against secured partnerships across top 10 respiratory DMEs and see growing demand due to increased awareness of bronchiectasis.

Speaker 2

Our product priority position with leading DMEs is also supported by training and education events for providers and hospital care coordinators and respiratory DMEs, including their sales, trainers, and operations staff. In the first half of this year, our team educated nearly 1,200 respiratory DME partners and clinical customers on bronchiectasis and the role of AffloVest in its care. We expect broader awareness of bronchiectasis and available treatment options, including AffloVest, to benefit our market share, and we remain focused on fortifying relationships with each of our top DME partners and penetrating deeper within these accounts to continue our strong growth throughout the rest of 2025. Continued commercial acceleration in this area will pull us closer to being the number one market shareholder in the space and, as a result, help introduce AffloVest to the 5 million diagnosed and undiagnosed bronchiectasis patients in the U.S.

Speaker 2

Earlier this year, I shared our three strategic priorities for 2025 to unlock the lymphedema TAM and enable scalable, profitable growth. Similar to Q1, I will share progress updates on each of these priorities. Beginning first with our goal to improve access to care, we are working diligently to remove the longstanding training and education policy and evidence barriers that prevent more lymphedema patients from accessing the right treatment options that best fit their clinical condition. Our target and associated investments are focused on increasing PCD therapy adoption in the diagnosed population. One area of focus is simplifying the workflow process of patient identification, patient referral, and order processing. This is a foundational investment for scale, and we expect it to support both top and bottom line growth through increased referrals as well as operating expense leverage.

Speaker 2

An example is the CRM tool, which helps our sales and marketing teams identify where new patient identification opportunities are within our existing channels and it supports sales effectiveness during those prescriber interactions. A second key investment in workflow process improvement is in our e-prescribing tool, Parachute, designed to streamline the order process by more efficiently collecting the required patient documentation. Since its full launch late last year, we have been growing adoption, resulting in over 25% of Nimble orders to date being generated through Parachute. We are building the required interfaces to support expansion of Parachute to Flexitouch orders and plan to launch this functionality for both providers and clinicians later this year. E-prescribing solves for the order processing speed and increased accuracy, but we know that not all clinicians will adopt this type of technology.

Speaker 2

Our third workflow improvement investment is embedding an AI-based technology to support speed, accuracy, and leverage in our order intake and medical record review processes for traditional non-e-prescribed orders. For order intake, the AI tool can quickly analyze patient referrals and extract required information regardless of whether that referral comes via fax, e-portal, or email. For context, we receive roughly 1,000 faxes per day as part of the order intake alone. Similarly, the tool is trained to scan patient medical records, which can range from a few pages to over 100. This medical record review step is currently done manually, and it identifies if the payer-required medical necessity criteria is documented. With AI, this process will be faster and will provide an early initial assessment of patient eligibility. To ensure accuracy, our team would then validate this assessment by reviewing the required or missing information flagged by the tool.

Speaker 2

From a P&L perspective, we expect the top line to benefit from faster referral to order conversion, which should help mitigate patient leakage due to a historically protracted onboarding experience. On the bottom line, increased automation translates to leveraged operating expense by decreasing manual data entry tasks and increasing accuracy to minimize human error. We will start with the pilot of the AI tool over the next few months so that we can learn and ensure seamless integration with our other IT systems and change management of our order operations team. Clinical evidence is another element of improving access to care, and in the second quarter, we delivered tangible progress on this front with the presentation of two-month data from our head and neck lymphedema randomized control trial at the American Society of Clinical Oncology's annual meeting in June.

Speaker 2

As a reminder, this trial examines the effectiveness of Flexitouch Plus compared to usual care in treating lymphedema among head and neck cancer survivors. Current modalities for managing head and neck cancer-related lymphedema include therapist-guided lymphedema treatment and lifelong home-based self-care. We are very pleased with the two-month data as it validates Flexitouch Plus as a clinically supported alternative to usual care. We are proud to have these results accepted for presentation at a total of three different clinical conferences. Our next study deliverable is finalization of the six-month analysis and then manuscript submission in early Q4. In the meantime, we continue active discussions with commercial payers regarding their current experimental and investigational policy language for head and neck lymphedema, and we aim to influence those policies going forward.

Speaker 2

Our second strategic priority is aimed at ensuring diagnosed patients have appropriate treatment options available to them based on their individual condition, symptoms, and needs. Nimble is a notable example of our strategy to expand treatment options. Strong adoption of Nimble continued through the second quarter, driven by both patient and provider preferences for the product given its unique features and capability. We believe this sustained demand since its initial rollout last fall is helping grow the overall market for lymphedema PCDs, particularly as Nimble so far is outpacing broader market growth. Among our lymphedema PCD offerings, Nimble is also growing faster than Flexitouch.

Speaker 2

While Flexitouch still represents the majority of our lymphedema revenue, we are pleased with Nimble's success to date and believe it is a testament to our ability to serve the broad lymphedema market needs across both basic and advanced pumps, which we now enjoy a market-leading position in both categories. We remain committed to new product innovation and are not stopping with Nimble. Development of our next-generation advanced lymphedema pump is underway and progressing in line with scope, budget, and timelines, and our product roadmap also includes further Nimble enhancements. Finally, our third strategic priority is focused on enhancing the lifetime patient value. We believe there's an opportunity for us to support lymphedema patients more efficiently over a longer duration as they manage their disease symptoms and treatments both prior to and during the order and shipment process. There are several ways we are approaching this.

Speaker 2

Last quarter, we established a patient services organization, which centralized our Patient Education Consultants, or PECs, and back-office patient support team into one consolidated function. These teams within patient services interface most directly and frequently with our patients, and we will now benefit from a consistent approach when engaging with patients pre, during, and post-shipment. The PECs team specifically supports in-home patient product demo and training. This workforce has been a vital resource for our sales team since its inception in 2023. We ended Q2 with 60.5% of patient demos performed by PECs, up from 52% at the end of Q4. Looking ahead, we envision staffing our large, well-developed territories with dedicated PEC resources rather than shared. This will help ensure our account managers and product specialists can allocate even more of their time to engaging with clinicians and hand off the patient support requirements to the PECs.

Speaker 2

We are also looking at new ways we can support patients at the front end of the order process. Given the dynamic payer nuances in the order process, including medical necessity documentation and prior authorization, this portion of the patient journey is often the most complex and drawn out. We recently launched a care navigation pilot designed to proactively reach out to patients earlier and more consistently throughout the order process. During the pilot and subsequent expansion, we will gain insight into the moments that matter most for patients to receive more information and solidify their engagement in the process. This is important because many times the order progression requires the patient to do something, such as follow up with their clinician post four weeks of conservative therapy or to be available for a product demo and initial treatment.

Speaker 2

At scale, care navigation should further reduce the need for the sales rep involvement in the order process, help mitigate patient leakage, and enhance the overall patient support connectivity and experience. We are also utilizing our patient engagement tool, Kylee, as a means to enhance overall patient connectivity. At the end of June, we hit over 53,000 individual patient profiles registered with Kylee and 1.1 million total check-ins. We plan to further increase utilization by introducing Kylee at the onset of the patient care journey, which can be supported through our care navigation evolution and with our PECs team. Regardless of how patients are introduced to Kylee, we have a digitally connected platform that can support order progress visibility, symptoms, measurements and therapy treatment tracking, product training and disease education, warranty submissions, e-commerce, troubleshooting, and product support, as well as sharing patient-reported data and photos with clinicians.

Speaker 2

Kylee enables a more connected care pathway and provides our organization with more insights into opportunities to help support patients with product and service innovation. With that, I will now have Elaine review our Q2 financial results in more detail and provide an update on our guidance for 2025. Thanks, Sheri. Unless noted otherwise, all references to second quarter financial results are on a GAAP and year-over-year basis. Total revenue in the second quarter increased by $5.7 million, or 7.8%, to $78.9 million. By product lines, sales and rentals of lymphedema products, which includes our Flexitouch, Entré, and Nimble systems, increased $1.3 million, or 2%, to $66 million, and sales of our airway clearance products, which includes our AffloVest system, increased $4.4 million, or 52%, to $12.9 million. Continuing down the P&L, gross margin was 74.5% of revenue compared to 73.9% in the second quarter of 2024.

Speaker 2

The increase in gross margin was attributable primarily to lower manufacturing and warranty costs, reflecting enhancements in product design and stronger collections reflected in our revenue. Second quarter operating expenses increased $6.5 million, or 13%, to $54.7 million. The change in GAAP operating expenses reflected a $1.4 million increase in sales and marketing expenses, a $0.2 million decrease in research and development expenses, and a $5.3 million increase in reimbursement, general, and administrative expenses, including and primarily driven by strategic technology investments. Operating income decreased $1.8 million, or 30%, to $4.1 million. Interest income increased $0.1 million, or 13%, to $0.9 million due to increased cash position. Interest expense decreased $0.1 million, or 22%, to $0.4 million. Income tax expense decreased $0.5 million, or 26% year-over-year, to $1.3 million.

Speaker 2

Net income decreased $1.1 million, or 25%, to $3.2 million, or $0.14 per diluted share, compared to $4.3 million, or $0.18 per diluted share. Adjusted EBITDA decreased as expected to $7.7 million compared to $9.1 million. With respect to our balance sheet, we had $81.5 million in cash and cash equivalents and $24.8 million of outstanding borrowings at quarter end. This compares to $94.4 million in cash and $26.3 million of outstanding borrowings as of December 31, 2024. We also completed an additional $16.5 million of stock buyback, which concludes the current stock repurchase program. Subsequent to the quarter, we retired our $24 million term loan and refinanced our revolving credit facility, increasing the capacity from $25 million to $40 million. Turning to a review of our 2025 outlook.

Speaker 2

For the full year 2025, we now expect total revenue in the range of $310 million to $350 million, representing growth of approximately 6% to 8% year-over-year. This reflects the sales vacancy and the impact of the CRM launch on sales rep productivity in the lymphedema business during the first half of the year, along with the springs in the airway clearance business. Our 2025 total revenue guidance range assumes that growth for our lymphedema product line will be 1.5% to 3%, and growth for our airway clearance product line will be 40% to 43%. For modeling purposes, for the full year 2025, we now expect our GAAP gross margins to be approximately 75%. Our GAAP operating expenses to increase 10% to 11% year-over-year as we invest in our sales organization and advance our tech-related investments throughout the year.

Speaker 2

Net interest income of approximately $1.8 million, a tax rate of 28%, and a fully diluted weighted average share count of approximately 23 to 24 million shares. As a result of our stronger than expected gross margin, we now expect to generate adjusted EBITDA of approximately $33 million to $35 million in 2025. Our adjusted EBITDA expectations assume certain non-cash items, including stock compensation expense of approximately $8.1 million and tangible amortization of approximately $1.3 million and depreciation expense of approximately $5.3 million. We successfully implemented a range of tariff mitigation strategies, including re-shoring manufacturing, enforcing supplier compliance, and leveraging exemption policies, which have significantly reduced our exposure. As a result, we now expect the full year tariff impact to be approximately $1 million to $1.5 million. Looking ahead, if no further changes occur, we anticipate an ongoing annual impact beyond 2025 of roughly half this amount.

Speaker 2

With that, I'll turn the call back to Sheri for some closing remarks. Sheri. Thank you, Elaine. In sum, we are pleased with our second quarter performance. We delivered on our Q2 expectations across the P&L for lymphedema and airway clearance, reflecting solid execution in both business lines. We have moved past the early disruption from our CRM implementation and Salesforce optimization. As we look ahead to the second half of 2025, we are focused on driving operational and financial performance and are confident in our ability to sustain this momentum and believe our strategic initiatives will position us well ahead into 2026 and beyond. With that, operator, we'll now open the call for questions.

Speaker 4

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. Our first question will come from Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler.

Speaker 3

Yeah, great. Hi, this is Kylee Winborn. I'm for Adam. Congrats on a good quarter and thanks for taking the question. I guess maybe to start, if I could just push a little bit on the guidance. I'm seeing that you guys beat street numbers by about $5 million, but then raised the full year guidance by about $1 million at the midpoint. I was just kind of curious if you could walk us through some of the components here and maybe why more of the Q2 upside wasn't pushed through for the full year.

Speaker 2

Yeah, thanks, Kyle, for joining. This is Sheri. We were really excited to exceed expectations in Q2, and we took a really thoughtful approach as we thought about the back half of the year. Our Q2 performance gave us the confidence to raise our bottom end of the guidance up by $1 million. The positive momentum that we've had with the sales reps that we brought on actually exceeding our 285 target, the stronger CRM adoption and proficiency, and this market share growth in Nimble and in AffloVest give us a lot of confidence. We also know that there's some realities of scaling our commercial organization. We had some lessons learned with our CRM rollout in Q1, which showed that even when you've made the investment and you have a well-managed plan and implementation, you can still get some short-term disruption.

Speaker 2

Knowing that we're going to be launching AI tools in the second half, we just thought to be really thoughtful about our approach to all this and hedge a little bit against some short-term variability. All that being said, we're really excited about the momentum that we have and put forward the very best guidance based on the information that we have, and we expect to deliver on that.

Speaker 3

Great. That's helpful. Thanks for the color there. Maybe just on the head and neck data, it was good to hear that still on track for the six-month data release later this year. I think I heard Q4, early Q4 specifically, if I got that right. How quickly do you think that you could get payers on board thereafter? What could we expect to see? When could we expect to see impacts on the P&L? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Sure. Yeah, we are really excited about that head and neck data. As I said in my prepared remarks, we've had that two-month data because, as I said, now it'll be in three different conferences. The manuscript submission will go in in Q4. Obviously, it's very contingent on the journal and how fast they are to actually publishing, but it is our intention to get that in in early Q4. As it relates to full commercialization, I just want to put a little bit of context around that. I just want to remind you and everyone else that we already have the indication for head and neck. It's not about a new indication. This really is around coverage and the fact that currently commercial plans tend to see head and neck lymphedema with PCD as being experimental and investigational.

Speaker 2

We are already engaging in conversations with our commercial payers, and they understand and have more awareness now that their policies may not reflect what is now. We're going to be able to show more of a standard of care being able to use pumps, but that does take time. They have to review their policies. They typically have a cadence of where they update policies that is not our timelines, it will be their timelines. It will certainly help to have the manuscript. It helps to have the posters and the abstract. We know that 90% of patients with head and neck cancer are going to have lymphedema. The fact that this is a patient population that is likely going to be at risk in getting onto earlier therapy is going to be better. It'll take some time.

Speaker 2

We're driving as much as we can right now, and we've definitely had some inroads with the commercial payers. As it relates to Medicare, the NCD does allow a path for patients with unique characteristics, which is things like having lymphedema in the head and neck area, to go directly to a pump. We are engaging and continue to have conversations with the Max about this and are looking forward to seeing that expanded patient population have better coverage. We expect this to continue to move forward in 2025, but probably have a bigger impact in 2026 and beyond, obviously.

Speaker 3

It's a broad goal. Thanks, Sheri.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you bet. Thank you, Kylee.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the quarter. Sheri, I want to ask, you gave some good stats, I think, on the market. You talked about 145,000 patients, I think, being treated. I'm curious if you can kind of give us your thoughts on where you think your share estimate is there. I put it at about a third, maybe, of that market. Given the market's growing at 10%, as you said, given where your lymphedema business has been growing, I'm curious kind of how to reconcile that with the plans to kind of get back to that market growth rate over time. Do you think that 10% is kind of the right long-term growth rate to think of for Tactile over the long term?

Speaker 2

Yeah, thanks for your question, Ryan. We definitely believe that Tactile can return to double-digit growth, and we're headed that way. When I think about the drivers, I want to break them down into market, as you mentioned, market share, product mix, which is closely tied to channel strategy, and then kind of streamlining the back office. For market, the lymphedema market continues to expand, and the number of patients treated with both PCDs and non-pneumatic compression devices appears to be growing at a 10% CAGR, and we expect this momentum to continue. Less than 10% of diagnosed lymphedema patients get treatment at all. As a market leader, we are well positioned to influence this through clinical education, patient engagement tools like Kylee, et cetera.

Speaker 2

Nothing has changed in those market fundamentals, and we think it's going to continue to grow, and we're going to be able to get into that with both diagnosed patients in the short term and undiagnosed, you know, over the longer term, move them from undiagnosed to diagnosed. From a market share and product mix perspective, we don't report out specifically on our share by product, but we do know that growing this business to double-digit will require deeper market penetration into both product categories. What we do know is that the basic pump, or for us, Nimble, is growing faster than that total market CAGR. We are outperforming the market CAGR with Nimble, and that has been great for us and will continue to be really good for us. That growth does have a muted impact on revenue growth relative to unit growth.

Speaker 2

As our mix stabilizes and we're no longer lapping this shifting portfolio, we expect the revenue growth to more closely mirror unit growth as represented by the CAGR.

Speaker 1

That's helpful, Sheri. Just to push on that, when do you think you lap? I mean, you launched Nimble, I think, maybe late last year, if I'm not mistaken. Is it fair to assume that by the end of this year, that's when you start to lap that?

Speaker 2

Nimble launched upper extremity late last year, launched lower extremity in February of this year. We're not even in a full year of having full Nimble, if you will. What we have done is we've got Entré Plus as well as Nimble in that basic category and have been seeing that overall growing over time from that basic pump growth. We've been innovating in this area. We brought e-prescribing in this area, and we've been putting a lot of focus in that basic pump growth area. If I think about channel strategy for a minute, new reps coming in, it's easier to sell Nimble and e-prescribing than it is to walk into an oncology suite. The vascular channel for us is a really nice fit with Nimble and a nice fit with e-prescribing. Those reps, as they get more comfortable and on their learning curve, they'll be in all channels.

Speaker 2

As that rep starts to season and we are able to execute our channel strategies, we think that that's going to have a big impact on more of this balanced portfolio between Nimble and Entré, or our basic pump, as well as our advanced pump. That, again, will reflect more of the market.

Speaker 5

Yeah, and Ryan, I think specifically, I know you're getting to kind of a timing. I think you know that this has been a several-year journey for us to really make a concerted effort to penetrate that basic pump space, which is why our growth has really accelerated there. Started the Entré Plus. We now have the Nimble. We have Parachute. I think what we're seeing is that while we're starting to see kind of really good traction, hence now our product mix more closely representing the industry, that's why we said we're not quite there yet, but we're getting closer to that. We'll be able to share a bit more on timing as we get into early next year and here at full 2026.

Speaker 5

We wanted to at least kind of provide sort of that dynamic as to why temporarily our revenue growth has not quite matched the industry growth there.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's all right. That's helpful. I'll hop back in queue. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yeah, thanks, Ryan.

Speaker 4

Our next question comes from Brian Vasquez with William Blair.

Operator

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to focus first, excuse me, on the composition of the guidance and the updated guidance. I think previously lymphedema sales were a little bit higher and airway clearance was a little bit lower. The positive here is obviously those two could offset each other, but maybe spend a minute on what's going a little bit slower in the lymphedema side and what's going really well on the airway clearance side to kind of switch the mix a little bit and increase the guidance a little.

Speaker 2

Sure. Let me start with AffloVest because it's such a great story. I think it may be a bit repetitive of everything that we said in Q1 because AffloVest really does reflect execution of our strategy. We have secured partnerships with the top 10 respiratory DMEs. This involves a preferred product placement for several of those top DMEs. We have full alignment with their finance team, so they're planning on the product volume, which, of course, resides on their respective balance sheets, given that this product is a 13-month cap rental. We're also seeing increased demand. The 1,200 clinical education events that we've done, along with just increasing awareness in the space, is just driving up demand. We're really pleased to have a great product. It's the only product that's truly mobile and as it's battery-powered versus tethered, and it's also the lightest weight product.

Speaker 2

These are our differentiating features for both providers and for patients. Doing everything that we said we were going to do, we have a great product, we are educating, and we've got these great secured partnerships. This is going to continue through 2025. When it comes to lymphedema, similar to what was shared with Ryan, we're seeing a disproportionate, we're seeing just a different unit mix from our basic pump to our advanced pump. Nimble is growing faster than the market and is growing faster than Flexitouch. The assigned revenue for basic versus advanced pump is different, so that is really what you're seeing in terms of as a % growth of revenue. That's really what's contributing to it.

Speaker 2

We feel very confident with our strategies, our commercial strategies, which is both channel as well as go to market with our sales reps and putting the right reps, looking at the right support systems all around that. We're feeling very confident that we'll continue to take advantage of the growing market, continue to grow market share, and ultimately have our revenue reflect what is truly the product mix that you see in the CAGR on behalf of the broader market.

Operator

Okay. One of the other kind of more positive updates, I think you had made a comment about some of the unique characteristic requirements for reimbursement coming through a little more positive, or at least you've come away more positive on those developments. Maybe talk about what you are seeing in the underlying business, especially around that reimbursement update that is leaving you a little bit more comfortable. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. I'll share this with Elaine. We said that, and I believe we said this in our Q1 earnings call, maybe even in Q4, that the move from LCD to NCD was a great move for patients because it eliminates that need for a patient to have to go through a basic pump trial before they get to an advanced pump trial. If I go back to head and neck, let's think about that for a Medicare patient. A Medicare patient would have had to have a basic pump that did not even cover their head and neck starting place before they could get to an advanced pump. Unique characteristics allow for a patient to have documentation that shows that they have edema outside of the limb. Think about chest, trunk, head, and neck, as well as potentially skin changes.

Speaker 2

It could be fibrosis, or it could be hyperpigmentation, or a number of things. That being part of the NCD unique characteristics, there is now a path for patients to move into an advanced pump if they meet the clinical requirements. In terms of what we're seeing, I'll turn that over to Elaine to give a little bit more real-time color.

Speaker 5

I think, you know, to tag on to what Sheri is saying, what we're excited about is it's really becoming clear to us that the pivot in policy is really meant to make sure patients get the right product for their clinical indication the first time. There's no real longer this kind of deviating pathway that's needed for these Medicare patients. It also is really complementary to our strategy. We've been really focused on ensuring we've got that basic pump penetration so we can serve those patients well that really just have lymphedema confined to their limbs. Then really that other, more distinct group who have more complex cases where the lymphedema is extending to parts of their body, like their chest, trunk, or they've got those skin conditions with that Flexitouch. We've got two great products, and we now have really good strong footholds in both their segments.

Speaker 5

We feel like we're well positioned to take advantage of this NCD approach of ensuring the right patient gets the right product.

Speaker 4

Moving next to Suraj Kalia with Oppenheimer.

Speaker 1

Hi, Sheri and Elaine. This is Shema Saad for Suraj.

Speaker 5

Hi, Shema.

Speaker 1

Congrats on the, thank you. Hi. Congrats on the nice quarter. Just looking at revenue by channel, noticed a little bit of continued weakness on the commercial side.

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