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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Black Stone Minerals EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.53Consensus EPS $0.30Beat/MissBeat by +$0.23One Year Ago EPSN/ABlack Stone Minerals Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$159.49 millionExpected Revenue$112.19 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$47.30 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABlack Stone Minerals Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2025Date8/4/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, August 5, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Black Stone Minerals Q2 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 5, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: New development agreement with Revenant covers 180,000 gross acres in the Shelby Trough and Western Haynesville, expected to double drilling obligations over the next five years and drive natural gas growth. Negative Sentiment: Distribution cut to $0.30 per unit for the quarter due to slower natural gas production growth in the Haynesville-Bossier, although the company sees a path to resume increases in 2026. Neutral Sentiment: 2025 production guidance was revised down to ~33,000 BOE/d reflecting slower gas growth, with forecasted production gains of 3,000–5,000 BOE/d in 2026. Positive Sentiment: Q2 royalty acquisitions totaled $31 million, bringing total acquisitions since September 2023 to $172 million, bolstering the company’s asset base and long-term value. Positive Sentiment: The Permian Basin project with Cotera and a robust oil portfolio across multiple basins are on track to add meaningful oil volumes and support sustainable growth. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallBlack Stone Minerals Q2 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Bailey, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Blackstone Minerals Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:30I would now like to turn the call over to Mark Moe, Director of Finance. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:36Thank you. Good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us either by phone or online for Blackstone Minerals second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded and will be available on our website along with the earnings release, which was issued last night. Before we start, I'd like to advise you that we will be making forward looking statements during this call about our plans, expectations and assumptions regarding our future performance. Speaker 100:01:00These statements involve risks that may cause our actual results to differ materially from the results expressed or implied in our forward looking statements. For a discussion of these risks, you should refer to the cautionary information about forward looking statements in our press release from yesterday and the Risk Factors section of our twenty twenty four ten ks. We may refer to certain non GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. Reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure and other information about these non GAAP metrics are described in our earnings press release from yesterday, which can be found on our website at www.blackstoneminerals.com. Joining me on the call from the company are Tom Carter, Chairman, CEO and President Taylor DeWaltz, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Steve Putman, Senior Vice President and General Counsel Tyler Carter, Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Chris Bonner, Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer. Speaker 100:01:59I'll now turn the call over to Tom. Speaker 200:02:02Thank you, Mark. Good morning, and thanks to all for joining our quarterly earnings call. Before we discuss results for the second quarter, I'd like to highlight the excellent work done by the team over the last two years, which ultimately has led to the recent announcements announced development agreement with Revenant as well as ongoing marketing efforts in the Shelby Trough. Through our subsurface evaluation, we determined that the substantial expansion of the Shelby Trough and extension towards the Western Haynesville. We're excited for Revenant to begin development, and we're actively marketing an additional 180,000 gross acre area to well known and well capitalized operators. Speaker 200:02:54These new developments coupled with our existing agreements are expected to more than double our drilling obligations in the area over the next five years providing significant natural gas growth for the partnership amid a strong demand outlook in the region. Our grassroots acquisition program supporting these expansion areas also continues to progress well. We've added 31,000,000 royalty acquisitions during the quarter, bringing our total acquisitions since September 2023 to about $172,000,000 During the 2025, we're confident that we will continue to identify and execute on accretive opportunities, which enhance our existing asset position and add long term value for our shareholders. We previously announced a distribution of $0.30 per unit for the quarter. The reduction was driven by slower natural gas production growth in 2025, primarily in the HaynesvilleBossier. Speaker 200:04:01However, we have line of sight to production growth in 2026 and beyond through our various development agreements and high interest activity growth as outlined in our earnings release. Ultimately, our expectation for increased activity combined with strong demand outlook provide a clear path to future distribution increases. We remain encouraged about the outlook for the partnership. Maintaining a clean balance sheet and ample liquidity enables us to continue our commercial strategy, including targeted grassroots acquisitions and working with operators to achieve full field development across our assets. The outlook for natural gas is constructive, reinforced by growing global demand for LNG. Speaker 200:04:53In addition, our robust oil portfolio across multiple basins provides a solid foundation for the long term as well. With that, I'll turn it over to Taylor to walk through the financial details of the quarter. Speaker 300:05:09Thanks, Tom. Good morning, everyone. Mineral royalty production was 33,200 BOE per day in the second quarter and total production volumes were 34,600 BOE per day. Net income was $120,000,000 for the second quarter with adjusted EBITDA coming in at $84,200,000 55% of oil and gas revenue in the quarter came from oil and condensate production. As mentioned previously, we declared a distribution of $0.30 per unit for the quarter or $1.2 on an annualized basis. Speaker 300:05:41Distributable cash flow for the quarter was $74,800,000 which represents 1.18 times coverage for the period. In conjunction with the earnings release, we provided revised 2025 production guidance yesterday. As we look at realized production for the 2025 combined with our forecast for the second half of the year, we expect production for the full year to average between 33,035 BOE per day. Our new guidance reflects slower than expected natural gas production growth particularly in the Shelby Trough and HaynesvilleBossier play. However, as Tom mentioned earlier, the outlook for natural gas remains robust and we remain confident that our diversified asset base highlighted by our high interest acreage and development agreements in the expanding Shelby Trough provides a path to increase production and distributions. Speaker 300:06:31Therefore, we forecast production growth in 2026 of an incremental 3,000 to 5,000 BOE per day over 2025 revised guidance. During the quarter, operators continue to actively develop our acreage through existing agreements and the accelerated drilling agreements. Additionally, the large project we're monitoring in the Permian Basin by Cotera remains on track to add meaningful oil volumes to our production base. These projects in addition to our agreement with Revonant and the expanded Shelby Trough provide BSM a pathway to increase production ultimately enabling us to increase the distribution to its previous high watermark. Although slower gas production growth posed challenges in the first half of the year, we remain confident that our commercial strategy positions us well to deliver sustainable long term value for our shareholders. Speaker 300:07:22With that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator00:07:35Your first question comes from the line of John Annes with Texas Capital. Your line is open. Speaker 400:07:40Good morning all and thanks for taking my questions. For my first one, we have been surprised as well by the subdued activity response in the first half to higher natural gas prices. But with the recent pickup in gas directed rigs, I wanted to ask if you could provide any color on any green shoots you're seeing in terms of activity increasing on your acreage and how you see this and the revenue agreement starting in '26 and the Permian development coming online, setting up the production trajectory next year? Speaker 300:08:14Sure, John. Thanks for the question. Yes, I think the overall, we are seeing the same thing a lot of folks are seeing with some subdued activity. I think some of that's probably borne from the response we saw in 2024 versus 2025. Of course, across the Haynesville and Bossier, we've seen some wells coming online kind of spread out throughout the basin. Speaker 300:08:40I think for us, we're most focused on the activity and the development agreements that we called out in our earnings release and talked about on the call a little bit earlier. So we're excited to see revenue get to work, with their first wells being spud likely at the 2026, and those six wells that they're obligated to drill throughout 2026 as well as the ongoing activity from some of the other operators that we mentioned throughout the Shelby Trough and then also our agreements on some of the other acreage that we have line of sight to throughout the Haynesville and the Bossier. So excited about the activity that we see here in kind of the coming quarters more to come from that. Speaker 400:09:24Terrific. For my follow-up, I wanted to dig into your comments in the release on the subsurface work you've done to delineate new areas in the Shelby Trough. How does the geology compare to your understanding of what the Western Haynesville is today just in terms of depths, temperatures and EURs? Speaker 300:09:47Yes. Thanks, John. That's a great question. So as Tom mentioned, the team has spent the last couple of years really digging into how the Shelby Trough expands outside of some of our existing development areas. And we're getting excited about the really potential of that play to further expand kind of all around the Shelby Trough as well as westward towards the Western Haynesville. Speaker 300:10:13We do see some analogous subsurface characteristics as we think about kind of the Western part of the Shelby Trough and how that connects to some of the things that we're seeing going on in the Western Haynesville. The formations are getting thicker. They are getting a bit deeper. But in the Shelby Trough, we have quite a few different places for development at different depths and different temperatures. So I think what we're most excited about is to see both the increasing productivity and EURs in the Western Haynesville as well as the operational efficiencies and results that are being gained in the Western Haynesville and how that can tie to further development of the Shelby Trough as we think about developing this expanded region within the area. Speaker 200:11:00I'd like to add to that, just a little industry color. In some of the work that we're doing, talking with capital providers and operators in this area of the, what I would call, the Western Shelby Trough going towards the eastern part of the Western Haynesville, sorry for all the geographic directions there. But people are moving the Western Haynesville to the East, and there's been activity out there and a lot of buying of acreage. And ours is our efforts have been moving the Shelby Trough to the West, and we're seeing a lot of commonality in subsurface. And it's really hard to get people on the frontier edges of these things to talk much about what they're seeing in their in their step out drilling. Speaker 200:11:59But one of the larger operators out there the other day, we were in a conversation with them, and we made some comments about what we're seeing moving west in the Shelby Trough relative to what they may have been seeing moving east in the Western Haynesville. And we we were pleased to get a response that was something like this that that they see the the comparison of those two areas the same way we do. In other words, if they may bridge across that area and ultimately be one in the same. Speaker 400:12:39I appreciate it. I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Operator00:12:46Your next question comes from the line of Timothy Residen with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 500:12:52Good morning, folks. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to take a little different tact on one of the first questions. Tom, you and the team have a pretty unique lens into broader Haynesville activity. We've seen the rig count increase steadily throughout the year and production is up about over Bcf a day from the recent trough. Speaker 500:13:12So we're trying to understand how to square that with the kind of updated production guide, which suggests even potentially another leg down in the back half of the year. So did something change further in your agreement with Aethon? Or I was wondering if you could help kind of understand why your acreage is not really participating in this uplift we're seeing. Speaker 200:13:35Well, I'll be glad to answer that. Let's start with late 'twenty three. That is was a low stand a a a recent low stand in gas prices, and Ethon called for a time out, which allowed them to slow down their drilling activity. That event takes about eighteen to twenty four months to show up in production volume declines, and that's what we saw in late 'twenty four and 'twenty five. We have restructured our agreement with Aethon from mid-20s wells per year to high teens per year. Speaker 200:14:29But in addition to that, we also carved back some strategically important and close in development acreage that we have packaged with other acreage and are working to place with another operator. And when you add all these things up from having Aegon as really a primary operator with drilling expectations of around mid twenties per year going to high teens, and then you layer revenue on top of that with a buildup to 20 plus per year. And then you add on top of that another operator coming in with maybe 20 wells per year, it takes it takes time to spool that's that activity up because, you know, you've got infrastructure issues, you've got all sorts of things, and and these are these are projects that take twenty plus years to fully develop. And so we're very excited about yes, there is a little bit less coming from Avon, but that's been by design. We are trying to have four or five active operators out there and a cumulative set of contractually required wells that are well north of the mid-20s that Avon had one years point ago. Speaker 200:16:13So there we are constantly reshuffling and restructuring to add operators and capital and well count out there. And we see some really potentially staggering number of wells in '28, '29 and '30. And it's just going to take a while for it to build up. Speaker 400:16:39Tim, if I Speaker 300:16:40might just add on too. When you're looking at the rest of the Haynesville and some of the activity, I might just mention, we've seen some activity pick up, some rigs pick up from some of the private operators in the Haynesville. And then also certainly have seen a number of deferred tills or docks that have come online from expand. And so really when you just look at where that activity is relative to some of our higher interest acreage, we're going to see some of that activity that comes through from production. Of course, there's always a little bit of a time delay right between first production and royalty company receiving that production. Speaker 300:17:18But really it comes back to our high interest acreage and our line of sight to that development to all the things Tom was just speaking to. Speaker 500:17:29Okay. That's very helpful insight. I appreciate that. And my follow-up is sort of related to that. With the second acreage position being marketed, you did mention in the release more than doubling the development obligations. Speaker 500:17:43So you threw out some numbers here. Can you help us sort of understand it in marketing, you trying to get to kind of a 40 to 50 per year cadence? I'm just trying to get some numbers around kind of how you're thinking about this ramp into the end of the decade. Thanks. Speaker 200:17:59I'll answer that. And the answer is yes and then some. Speaker 500:18:09Okay. Okay. And if I could just sneak a final one, a housekeeping one. I did see you mentioned potential 2026 production outlook. Should we assume a similar SKU to the natural gas SKU to that production? Speaker 500:18:25I know you've talked a lot about this Kotera add coming online. Just trying to understand how we can think about the SKU? And that's all I had. Thank you. Speaker 300:18:33Yes. Thanks, Tim. That's a great question. And the Cotero volumes are certainly going to help from an oil standpoint along with just the rest of our kind of oil weighted activity. I really think that when you look at the rest of 2025 going to 2026, so we're probably closer to kind of where we were in 2024 as opposed to where we were in Q1 twenty twenty five. Speaker 300:18:57So probably more like 25%, 26% oil volumes as we're looking out. Speaker 500:19:10Thank you. Operator00:19:14And there are no further questions at this time. Tom Carter, I will turn the call back over to you. Speaker 200:19:20All right. Thank you very much. And we really appreciate everyone joining us today for the call. And we look forward to speaking with you in the future as we move into these, what we think are pretty exciting forward looking times. Thank you. Operator00:19:42This does conclude today's conference call. 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There are 6 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. My name is Bailey, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Blackstone Minerals Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Operator00:00:30I would now like to turn the call over to Mark Moe, Director of Finance. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:36Thank you. Good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us either by phone or online for Blackstone Minerals second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded and will be available on our website along with the earnings release, which was issued last night. Before we start, I'd like to advise you that we will be making forward looking statements during this call about our plans, expectations and assumptions regarding our future performance. Speaker 100:01:00These statements involve risks that may cause our actual results to differ materially from the results expressed or implied in our forward looking statements. For a discussion of these risks, you should refer to the cautionary information about forward looking statements in our press release from yesterday and the Risk Factors section of our twenty twenty four ten ks. We may refer to certain non GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. Reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure and other information about these non GAAP metrics are described in our earnings press release from yesterday, which can be found on our website at www.blackstoneminerals.com. Joining me on the call from the company are Tom Carter, Chairman, CEO and President Taylor DeWaltz, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Steve Putman, Senior Vice President and General Counsel Tyler Carter, Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Chris Bonner, Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer. Speaker 100:01:59I'll now turn the call over to Tom. Speaker 200:02:02Thank you, Mark. Good morning, and thanks to all for joining our quarterly earnings call. Before we discuss results for the second quarter, I'd like to highlight the excellent work done by the team over the last two years, which ultimately has led to the recent announcements announced development agreement with Revenant as well as ongoing marketing efforts in the Shelby Trough. Through our subsurface evaluation, we determined that the substantial expansion of the Shelby Trough and extension towards the Western Haynesville. We're excited for Revenant to begin development, and we're actively marketing an additional 180,000 gross acre area to well known and well capitalized operators. Speaker 200:02:54These new developments coupled with our existing agreements are expected to more than double our drilling obligations in the area over the next five years providing significant natural gas growth for the partnership amid a strong demand outlook in the region. Our grassroots acquisition program supporting these expansion areas also continues to progress well. We've added 31,000,000 royalty acquisitions during the quarter, bringing our total acquisitions since September 2023 to about $172,000,000 During the 2025, we're confident that we will continue to identify and execute on accretive opportunities, which enhance our existing asset position and add long term value for our shareholders. We previously announced a distribution of $0.30 per unit for the quarter. The reduction was driven by slower natural gas production growth in 2025, primarily in the HaynesvilleBossier. Speaker 200:04:01However, we have line of sight to production growth in 2026 and beyond through our various development agreements and high interest activity growth as outlined in our earnings release. Ultimately, our expectation for increased activity combined with strong demand outlook provide a clear path to future distribution increases. We remain encouraged about the outlook for the partnership. Maintaining a clean balance sheet and ample liquidity enables us to continue our commercial strategy, including targeted grassroots acquisitions and working with operators to achieve full field development across our assets. The outlook for natural gas is constructive, reinforced by growing global demand for LNG. Speaker 200:04:53In addition, our robust oil portfolio across multiple basins provides a solid foundation for the long term as well. With that, I'll turn it over to Taylor to walk through the financial details of the quarter. Speaker 300:05:09Thanks, Tom. Good morning, everyone. Mineral royalty production was 33,200 BOE per day in the second quarter and total production volumes were 34,600 BOE per day. Net income was $120,000,000 for the second quarter with adjusted EBITDA coming in at $84,200,000 55% of oil and gas revenue in the quarter came from oil and condensate production. As mentioned previously, we declared a distribution of $0.30 per unit for the quarter or $1.2 on an annualized basis. Speaker 300:05:41Distributable cash flow for the quarter was $74,800,000 which represents 1.18 times coverage for the period. In conjunction with the earnings release, we provided revised 2025 production guidance yesterday. As we look at realized production for the 2025 combined with our forecast for the second half of the year, we expect production for the full year to average between 33,035 BOE per day. Our new guidance reflects slower than expected natural gas production growth particularly in the Shelby Trough and HaynesvilleBossier play. However, as Tom mentioned earlier, the outlook for natural gas remains robust and we remain confident that our diversified asset base highlighted by our high interest acreage and development agreements in the expanding Shelby Trough provides a path to increase production and distributions. Speaker 300:06:31Therefore, we forecast production growth in 2026 of an incremental 3,000 to 5,000 BOE per day over 2025 revised guidance. During the quarter, operators continue to actively develop our acreage through existing agreements and the accelerated drilling agreements. Additionally, the large project we're monitoring in the Permian Basin by Cotera remains on track to add meaningful oil volumes to our production base. These projects in addition to our agreement with Revonant and the expanded Shelby Trough provide BSM a pathway to increase production ultimately enabling us to increase the distribution to its previous high watermark. Although slower gas production growth posed challenges in the first half of the year, we remain confident that our commercial strategy positions us well to deliver sustainable long term value for our shareholders. Speaker 300:07:22With that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator00:07:35Your first question comes from the line of John Annes with Texas Capital. Your line is open. Speaker 400:07:40Good morning all and thanks for taking my questions. For my first one, we have been surprised as well by the subdued activity response in the first half to higher natural gas prices. But with the recent pickup in gas directed rigs, I wanted to ask if you could provide any color on any green shoots you're seeing in terms of activity increasing on your acreage and how you see this and the revenue agreement starting in '26 and the Permian development coming online, setting up the production trajectory next year? Speaker 300:08:14Sure, John. Thanks for the question. Yes, I think the overall, we are seeing the same thing a lot of folks are seeing with some subdued activity. I think some of that's probably borne from the response we saw in 2024 versus 2025. Of course, across the Haynesville and Bossier, we've seen some wells coming online kind of spread out throughout the basin. Speaker 300:08:40I think for us, we're most focused on the activity and the development agreements that we called out in our earnings release and talked about on the call a little bit earlier. So we're excited to see revenue get to work, with their first wells being spud likely at the 2026, and those six wells that they're obligated to drill throughout 2026 as well as the ongoing activity from some of the other operators that we mentioned throughout the Shelby Trough and then also our agreements on some of the other acreage that we have line of sight to throughout the Haynesville and the Bossier. So excited about the activity that we see here in kind of the coming quarters more to come from that. Speaker 400:09:24Terrific. For my follow-up, I wanted to dig into your comments in the release on the subsurface work you've done to delineate new areas in the Shelby Trough. How does the geology compare to your understanding of what the Western Haynesville is today just in terms of depths, temperatures and EURs? Speaker 300:09:47Yes. Thanks, John. That's a great question. So as Tom mentioned, the team has spent the last couple of years really digging into how the Shelby Trough expands outside of some of our existing development areas. And we're getting excited about the really potential of that play to further expand kind of all around the Shelby Trough as well as westward towards the Western Haynesville. Speaker 300:10:13We do see some analogous subsurface characteristics as we think about kind of the Western part of the Shelby Trough and how that connects to some of the things that we're seeing going on in the Western Haynesville. The formations are getting thicker. They are getting a bit deeper. But in the Shelby Trough, we have quite a few different places for development at different depths and different temperatures. So I think what we're most excited about is to see both the increasing productivity and EURs in the Western Haynesville as well as the operational efficiencies and results that are being gained in the Western Haynesville and how that can tie to further development of the Shelby Trough as we think about developing this expanded region within the area. Speaker 200:11:00I'd like to add to that, just a little industry color. In some of the work that we're doing, talking with capital providers and operators in this area of the, what I would call, the Western Shelby Trough going towards the eastern part of the Western Haynesville, sorry for all the geographic directions there. But people are moving the Western Haynesville to the East, and there's been activity out there and a lot of buying of acreage. And ours is our efforts have been moving the Shelby Trough to the West, and we're seeing a lot of commonality in subsurface. And it's really hard to get people on the frontier edges of these things to talk much about what they're seeing in their in their step out drilling. Speaker 200:11:59But one of the larger operators out there the other day, we were in a conversation with them, and we made some comments about what we're seeing moving west in the Shelby Trough relative to what they may have been seeing moving east in the Western Haynesville. And we we were pleased to get a response that was something like this that that they see the the comparison of those two areas the same way we do. In other words, if they may bridge across that area and ultimately be one in the same. Speaker 400:12:39I appreciate it. I'll leave it there. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Operator00:12:46Your next question comes from the line of Timothy Residen with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open. Speaker 500:12:52Good morning, folks. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to take a little different tact on one of the first questions. Tom, you and the team have a pretty unique lens into broader Haynesville activity. We've seen the rig count increase steadily throughout the year and production is up about over Bcf a day from the recent trough. Speaker 500:13:12So we're trying to understand how to square that with the kind of updated production guide, which suggests even potentially another leg down in the back half of the year. So did something change further in your agreement with Aethon? Or I was wondering if you could help kind of understand why your acreage is not really participating in this uplift we're seeing. Speaker 200:13:35Well, I'll be glad to answer that. Let's start with late 'twenty three. That is was a low stand a a a recent low stand in gas prices, and Ethon called for a time out, which allowed them to slow down their drilling activity. That event takes about eighteen to twenty four months to show up in production volume declines, and that's what we saw in late 'twenty four and 'twenty five. We have restructured our agreement with Aethon from mid-20s wells per year to high teens per year. Speaker 200:14:29But in addition to that, we also carved back some strategically important and close in development acreage that we have packaged with other acreage and are working to place with another operator. And when you add all these things up from having Aegon as really a primary operator with drilling expectations of around mid twenties per year going to high teens, and then you layer revenue on top of that with a buildup to 20 plus per year. And then you add on top of that another operator coming in with maybe 20 wells per year, it takes it takes time to spool that's that activity up because, you know, you've got infrastructure issues, you've got all sorts of things, and and these are these are projects that take twenty plus years to fully develop. And so we're very excited about yes, there is a little bit less coming from Avon, but that's been by design. We are trying to have four or five active operators out there and a cumulative set of contractually required wells that are well north of the mid-20s that Avon had one years point ago. Speaker 200:16:13So there we are constantly reshuffling and restructuring to add operators and capital and well count out there. And we see some really potentially staggering number of wells in '28, '29 and '30. And it's just going to take a while for it to build up. Speaker 400:16:39Tim, if I Speaker 300:16:40might just add on too. When you're looking at the rest of the Haynesville and some of the activity, I might just mention, we've seen some activity pick up, some rigs pick up from some of the private operators in the Haynesville. And then also certainly have seen a number of deferred tills or docks that have come online from expand. And so really when you just look at where that activity is relative to some of our higher interest acreage, we're going to see some of that activity that comes through from production. Of course, there's always a little bit of a time delay right between first production and royalty company receiving that production. Speaker 300:17:18But really it comes back to our high interest acreage and our line of sight to that development to all the things Tom was just speaking to. Speaker 500:17:29Okay. That's very helpful insight. I appreciate that. And my follow-up is sort of related to that. With the second acreage position being marketed, you did mention in the release more than doubling the development obligations. Speaker 500:17:43So you threw out some numbers here. Can you help us sort of understand it in marketing, you trying to get to kind of a 40 to 50 per year cadence? I'm just trying to get some numbers around kind of how you're thinking about this ramp into the end of the decade. Thanks. Speaker 200:17:59I'll answer that. And the answer is yes and then some. Speaker 500:18:09Okay. Okay. And if I could just sneak a final one, a housekeeping one. I did see you mentioned potential 2026 production outlook. Should we assume a similar SKU to the natural gas SKU to that production? Speaker 500:18:25I know you've talked a lot about this Kotera add coming online. Just trying to understand how we can think about the SKU? And that's all I had. Thank you. Speaker 300:18:33Yes. Thanks, Tim. That's a great question. And the Cotero volumes are certainly going to help from an oil standpoint along with just the rest of our kind of oil weighted activity. I really think that when you look at the rest of 2025 going to 2026, so we're probably closer to kind of where we were in 2024 as opposed to where we were in Q1 twenty twenty five. Speaker 300:18:57So probably more like 25%, 26% oil volumes as we're looking out. Speaker 500:19:10Thank you. Operator00:19:14And there are no further questions at this time. Tom Carter, I will turn the call back over to you. Speaker 200:19:20All right. Thank you very much. And we really appreciate everyone joining us today for the call. And we look forward to speaking with you in the future as we move into these, what we think are pretty exciting forward looking times. Thank you. Operator00:19:42This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by