Cadre Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Revenue and gross profit increased 9% year-over-year, driven by strong recurring demand for protection products and pricing actions that improved gross margin by 30 basis points.
  • Positive Sentiment: Completed the acquisition of KAR’s engineering division, expanding the nuclear safety vertical with complementary high-margin brands and initiating integration to unlock efficiencies via the CADRE operating model.
  • Positive Sentiment: Maintains a strong balance sheet with $137 million in cash and $175 million of undrawn revolver capacity, plus a robust pipeline of disciplined M&A targets in high-margin, recurring-revenue businesses.
  • Positive Sentiment: Secular tailwinds remain strong—rising defense and public-safety spending alongside accelerating global nuclear energy, defense, and waste management initiatives underpin consistent, cyclical-resilient growth.
  • Negative Sentiment: Timing shifts in several large government orders have pushed revenue from late 2025 into 2026, resulting in a flat Q3 outlook sequentially and unchanged organic backlog ex-acquisitions.
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Earnings Conference Call
Cadre Q2 2025
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There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

and welcome to the Cadre Holdings Second Quarter twenty twenty five Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and all lines have been placed on mute. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Matt Berkowitz of the IGB Group for instructions and the reading of the safe harbor statement. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and welcome to today's conference call to discuss Cadre's second quarter results. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during today's call, we will be making several forward looking statements, and we make these statements under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements reflect our best estimates and assumptions based on our understanding of information known to us today. These forward looking statements are subject to the risks and uncertainties that face CADRE and the industries and markets in which we operate. More information on potential factors that could affect CADRE's financial results is included from time to time in CADRE's public reports with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker 1

Please also note that we have posted presentation materials on our website at www.cadreholdings.com, which supplement our comments this morning and include a reconciliation of certain non GAAP financial measures. I'd like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay through 08/20/2025. A webcast replay will also be available via the link provided in yesterday's press release as well as on CADRE's website. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to CADRE's Chairman and CEO, Warren Kanders.

Speaker 2

Good morning, and thank you for joining CADRE's second quarter earnings call. I am joined today by our President, Brad Williams and Chief Financial Officer, Blaine Browers. We are pleased to report another quarter of strong financial and strategic progress, underscoring the resilience of our businesses, the market leadership of our brands and consistent execution across our organization driven by the CADRE operating model. Revenue and gross profit increased year over year by 910% respectively as we continue to see strong and recurring demand for our suite of protection products in the second quarter despite a fluid macro environment. With a diversified platform of industry leading high margin safety businesses, we continue to build momentum across our law enforcement, first responder, military and nuclear categories.

Speaker 2

The latest step in CADRE's evolution was the acquisition of KAR's engineering division completed in April, which added scale and a broader international footprint for our nuclear vertical. As we have discussed previously, these are best in class brands complementary to CADRE's current nuclear safety focus that manufacture highly engineered products supporting mission critical initiatives with entrenched customers and long term demand drivers and visibility. Brad will discuss the integration process in greater detail, but a key point to highlight is that we see opportunities for core CADRE operating model tools to help unlock further efficiency and profitability. We continue to view additional M and A as a possibility this year and maintain a robust pipeline of actionable opportunities focusing on leading businesses with strong margins, sensible market positions and recurring revenue. With cash on the balance sheet of $137,000,000 and undrawn revolver capacity of $175,000,000 combined with the full support of our banking group, we have the financial strength to be opportunistic while also being patient and disciplined.

Speaker 2

From a macro perspective, the secular trends driving demand for our mission critical life saving products around the world are only growing stronger. Unrest and conflict are on the rise highlighting the critical need for those who protect and serve us to be equipped with the safest and most reliable products. Regarding nuclear, we see accelerating global demand driven by strong energy, defense and nuclear waste tailwinds. Most importantly, CADRE's consistent and stable growth through cycles remains a defining characteristic of our company, and we anticipate that resilience will continue to serve us well. Moving forward, we believe CADRE is well positioned to grow our platform and further enhance our market leadership over the long term, supported by our strong balance sheet, robust acquisition pipeline and operating model.

Speaker 2

With that, thank you for being with us today, and I will turn the call over to Brad. Brad, over to you.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Warren. On today's call, Blaine and I will provide a Q2 update and business overview, including recent trends, financial performance and full year outlook followed by a Q and A session. We'll begin on Slide five. During the second quarter, we continued to deliver on our strategic objectives capitalizing on resilient demand trends for our mission critical safety equipment. The company's solid execution in Q2 included further implementation of our pricing strategy driven by strong customer relationships and products that deliver best in class performance.

Speaker 3

As you can see from the slide, second quarter mix was neutral, consistent with expectations and orders backlog was stable excluding new acquisitions. Turning to capital allocation and M and A, we continue to successfully generate significant free cash flow, which enables us to both pursue acquisitions and make strategic investments in core organic growth, while also returning capital to shareholders. Our August dividend will be in the company's fifteenth consecutive since our IPO. At the same time, we continue to advance our targeted M and A program and maintain a growing backlog of actionable opportunities. As Warren mentioned, we completed the acquisition of the Engineering division, strengthening CADRE's nuclear safety vertical and expanding our international footprint with a group of complementary high margin nuclear businesses.

Speaker 3

We are in the early stages of functional integration, prioritizing finance, accounting, IT, legal and compliance and in parallel have gathered all our nuclear leaders together to establish action plans to leverage our broadened customer relationships and expanded portfolio of products globally and start the implementation of the CADRE operating model. As part of this process, I'm pleased to share that we have promoted and relocated Eric Gazvoda, a seasoned leader from within the CADRE organization to oversee our group of nuclear safety businesses. Eric began this role on August 1 with responsibilities that include integration, implementation of the Qudry operating model and managing the nuclear teams to identify and execute engineering, business development and manufacturing opportunities. We're excited about the appointment, in line with our committed commitment to leveraging internal CADRE expertise to drive continuity, accountability and performance. We look forward to implementing fundamental core operating tools in the coming months.

Speaker 3

On slide six, we illustrate long term tailwinds supporting CADRE's growth opportunity across both public safety and nuclear safety sectors. Our largest market segment remains law enforcement and police protection expenditures have historically trended upward through cycles. This has led to CADRE's consistent and stable growth regardless of economic, political or geopolitical conditions. On the nuclear side of the business, there is continued momentum driven by both near term demand and long term structural tailwinds. As you have heard from us before, we are excited about nuclear safety not just because of the increased interest in commercial nuclear energy today, but primarily because of the long term growth opportunities related to environmental safety and national security.

Speaker 3

This is based on U. S. Nuclear material processing, handling and remediation needs as well as national defense initiatives that we believe will underpin consistent and growing demand over multiple decades. In terms of our core current market trends, we continue to see multi directional support for nuclear coming in many forms, particularly with the increasing number of commercial nuclear energy projects and a push by the administration in The U. S.

Speaker 3

To prioritize the nuclear industry. Recent executive orders have been aimed at speeding up nuclear reactor licensing, deploying U. S. Reactors for AI and military bases, expanding domestic nuclear fuel production and growing the American nuclear workforce. With the collective scale and capabilities of our nuclear businesses, we are strategically positioned at the forefront of a rapidly evolving industry and excited about the future opportunities we are seeing across the nuclear landscape.

Speaker 3

Turning to slide seven. I'll briefly touch on a couple of other non nuclear developments in our business environment. Trends in North America law enforcement are positive, highlighted by significant federal investment in government agencies. From a geopolitical perspective, there is continued instability around the world, underscoring the importance of the work that we do. In the immediate term, however, the situation in conflict zones that we have mentioned previously, including Ukraine and The Middle East has not yet improved such that unexploded ordnance disposal can begin.

Speaker 3

We remain confident as these conflicts eventually reach the cleanup stage that CADRE would play a larger role likely through our various EOD offerings. Turning to our consumer channel, our brands have remained resilient despite broader market challenges and weak gun sales. Our consumer holster demand has held up thanks to the strong followership we've established in a stream of product innovation. Lastly, on the new product front, innovation remains at the heart of everything we do and our teams work every day to both protect our market share and continue to grow it. We've been pleased with the success of a number of new products launched over the past twenty four months that continue to garner enthusiastic feedback.

Speaker 3

Before I turn it over to Blaine, I would like to address the macro environment. Consistent with commentary on the last two calls, our operating environment continues to show a greater degree of uncertainty than in previous years. Recent tariff announcements are one good example of this. In addition to tariffs, we have a higher proportion of large ops in our sales funnel across all business units with timing of these large opportunities shifting more than in previous years. In most cases, the funding has been allocated, but due to a variety of factors, we are seeing more of these large opportunities move to the right.

Speaker 3

In almost all cases, we are still confident in our ability to win these orders, but there is increasing uncertainty related to timing. We've seen this dynamic in both law enforcement and the nuclear markets and Blaine will discuss the implication these movements have on our guidance. On tariffs, we continue to monitor the situation. Keep in mind, the majority of our suppliers are regional in nature in many cases covered by USMCA, which helps to mitigate tariff pressure. Our global footprint with manufacturing and redundancies gives us additional options to mitigate the tariff impact.

Speaker 3

Up to this point, inflationary pressures from tariffs have been in line with our expectations. We remain confident that the strong macro tailwinds in the law enforcement, military and nuclear markets will continue to be a catalyst for CADRE's growth over the long term. Our business makeup and operating model allow us to weather uncertain times and emerge in an even stronger competitive position. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Blayne Browers.

Speaker 4

Thanks Brad. I'll kick off my comments with a review of our M and A strategy. As you've heard already, in April we completed the acquisition of the engineering division from Cars Group and the initial phase of integration is underway. I'd like to again highlight the acquired brands including Vailisch Miller, Bendels Engineering, NW Total and NuVision bring world class capabilities in remote handling, automation and radiation protection. Together with Alpha Safety, these businesses significantly expand our reach in nuclear sub verticals including nuclear medicine and robotics, while providing new opportunities with leading global customers around the world.

Speaker 4

Acquiring these complementary high margin businesses supports our broader objective of establishing a diversified platform of durable safety businesses. We continue to evaluate additional opportunities across each of our focus areas with the same disciplined M and A approach we've always taken. Our pipeline of targets is extensive and we remain committed to deals with the potential to expand our customer base, increase wallet share and offer value added protective products. Overall, the M and A markets remain strong and we are excited about the prospect of add on opportunities in our current markets. Turning now to a summary of CADRE's financial performance.

Speaker 4

Slides eleven and twelve detail our first our second quarter results. Q2 sales of $157,000,000 were above our expectations and grew 9% year over year. Of note, quarter gross margin improved 30 basis points year over year driven by favorable pricing, the absence of inventory step up amortization and exchange rate favorability. Illustrated on Slide 12 is net sales and adjusted EBITDA growth year over year including our new 2025 guidance. I'll discuss more in a moment.

Speaker 4

Our full year outlook implies year over year revenue and adjusted EBITDA growth of 10.58.7% respectively at the midpoints. On Slide 13, we present our capital structure as of 06/30/2025, reflecting the completed acquisition. We maintain significant financial flexibility to pursue inorganic opportunities with what we believe to be a responsible net leverage ratio of 1.8 times. We provide revised 2025 guidance on slide 14. Net sales are expected to be between six twenty four EBITDA guidance is between $112,000,000 and $116,000,000 implying adjusted EBITDA margins of 18.2%.

Speaker 4

Please note that our guidance range only reflects the tariffs in effect as of today and importantly assumes that USMCA remains in place. As a reminder, the majority of our product movements in North America currently fall under USMCA. We will continue to monitor the tariff situation closely and will deploy countermeasures as needed Additionally, as Brad outlined earlier on the call, guidance reflects our updated expectations around the timing of orders. As we think about the remainder of the year, we expect Q3 revenue and adjusted EBITDA to be flat sequentially to Q2. This combined with the full year guidance implies that the second half of the year we will see about 6% organic growth with adjusted EBITDA up almost 19%.

Speaker 4

The new Nuclear businesses are in line with the previous guidance and we've been pleased with their performance thus far. We continue to expect the second half to be stronger than the first half driven by ARMOR and EOD project timing. I'll now turn it back to Brad for concluding comments.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Blaine. In closing, we are pleased with our second quarter results and remain focused on consistent strategic execution amid what continues to be a dynamic operating environment. Complementing our core organic growth initiatives, we are actively evaluating a robust pipeline of potential M and A transactions to further enhance our market leadership moving forward. The company has established a track record of steady growth through cycles and we anticipate similar performance as we move ahead, driven by strong demand for Qatari's best in class safety products across our law enforcement, first responder, military and categories. Despite the timing shift of some large public safety and nuclear opportunities, we're extremely pleased with the quality of this portion of our sales funnel.

Speaker 3

We have an outstanding team that has demonstrated an ability to navigate challenges and leverage the CADRE operating model to drive constant improvements. We continue to see attractive growth opportunities throughout the business and are confident in our long term outlook. With that, operator, please open up the lines for Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. Our first question for today comes from the line of Larry Solow with CJS Securities. Your line is live.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you. I'm just curious. Good morning, guys. Curious just on the contracts or the push out on some of these orders.

Speaker 5

Sounds like it's kind of across the board. Is there any commonality, anything related to just reduced government spending on the federal level or any more color there? And then the follow-up would be in terms of timing, does it just kind of shift out into 2026 or any your confidence level on that?

Speaker 3

Hey, Larry, it's Brad. Great question. Here's kind of the way to think about it. Across the board, we haven't seen this. I've been here nine years and we haven't seen it in that nine years.

Speaker 3

We have a larger proportion of the opportunities in the sales funnel that we've seen this year are what we consider large ops. And those large ops actually fall across the bigger business units, body armor. We've got duty gear, nuclear and EOD. So across all four of those, which we in the past have not seen a mix that high across each of those. In terms of any trends that we've seen due to some of the shifts, the good news is we're not seeing any budgets that are being reduced.

Speaker 3

We're not seeing any allocation issues with the dollars. So all that's very positive. So our outlook is we love seeing the funnel with these kind of opportunities in there. But the reality is sometimes they shift around in terms of timing. Some of those orders we've taken out of this year in terms of our guidance because we feel like there's a stronger opportunity for those to come in next year.

Speaker 3

And then some we've also left in this year in terms of our guidance overall. So it's kind of a mix of both that we see happening this year and next year.

Speaker 5

Great. Okay. And then if I just had a follow-up just if you can just on margins, margin outlook. I know this quarter year over year I think last year you had a timing related benefit on expenses. So I think the margin is down a lot more.

Speaker 5

But just on the quarter year over year, I think we're looking for a slight margin contraction, very modest albeit, but just curious on your thoughts going forward. Obviously, it seems like there's still a lot of opportunities, for you and your in the CADRA operating model. So thoughts on, you know, mid to long term on the the the margin hopeful expansion? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yeah. No. Thanks, Lee. Great question. Yeah.

Speaker 4

I think longer term as we've talked about it before, there's ample opportunities to move that this all the businesses upwards in gross margin. I think in the longer term getting into the mid to upper 40s is very reasonable. I think kind of going back historically, there's a track record of those margins improving. Obviously, as we buy businesses, sometimes those businesses will have an impact either accretive or dilutive to the gross margin, but we look to expand those. So I think the Cars Engineering and Circle Away businesses are an example where their margin profile of the gates is a little bit lower than our average.

Speaker 4

But again, we're confident with leveraging those tools and frankly the outstanding teams that came with them that we'll be able to continue to drive those margins upwards along with them the synergistic opportunities we have in that nuclear platform. And the core military and LA businesses have a very good track record of continuing to push those upwards. So we're very bullish on the long term for those margin profiles.

Speaker 1

Got you. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. Our next question is from the line of Jeff Van Sinderen with B. Riley Securities. Your line is live.

Speaker 6

Good morning, everyone. Just to circle back for a moment if we could and clarify regarding the guidance change, it sounds like it was strictly a matter of timing, not of any potential business exiting the funnel. Is that correct?

Speaker 3

That is correct, Jeff. It's the majority of the funnel on these large ops that we've had, we expected and we had in the original forecast for this year. And they're not losses. They're essentially just shifting around.

Speaker 6

Okay. Fair enough. Then any other color you can share on sales mix, maybe margin expectations for the second half quarterly progression? I know you gave some guidance, but just anything else, any other color there that we should keep in mind?

Speaker 4

Yes. For the remainder of the year, for Q3, we'd expect gross are you talking gross margins or EBITDA margin?

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 6

Gross margin or EBITDA.

Speaker 4

Yes. I mean looking at gross, we'd expect Q3 to be similar to Q2. It will be have a little bit of pressure as we get a full quarter in with ZirkAlloy for GAAP gross margins for the inventory step up as well as incremental D and A. And then Q4 with that incremental volume, we'd expect it to be slightly higher than Q2 and Q3. Mix wise, I mentioned on the call or on the prepared remarks, EOD will be stronger in the back half, a little more Q4 weighted.

Speaker 4

That is one of the higher margin businesses. So that will certainly kind of just naturally lift those margins up in that quarter.

Speaker 6

Okay. That's helpful. And then just anything else to add on what you're seeing in the Nuclear business, maybe, touch on Cars. I know you're still in the integration process there. Just curious on more color on opportunities you're seeing in Nuclear given what seems to be a really favorable backdrop for that business.

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean it's like you said it's early days early time. Most of the focus at this point has been on all of our functional integration and onboarding type work we do because that's all the I would call them kind of risk related things IT, finance, accounting, compliance, all the functional integration type activities. So that's where the majority of the focus has been. That's our typical onboarding and integration processes is those areas first.

Speaker 3

We have taken an opportunity to bring together all the managing directors and leaders of all the nuclear businesses, both Alpha Safety and then also, the engineering division that we acquired from Cars. And we've started some initial work with those folks around what are the potential opportunities. That's everything from business development to manufacturing, operating model, things like that with those groups. So in early steps there, but they came out of meeting with, I think a really good, starting point list so that we can begin to dig deeper in those items and have those teams, execute the ones that we feel like are the biggest opportunities.

Speaker 6

Okay. Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank for your you. Our next question is from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu with Jefferies. Your line is live.

Speaker 7

Good morning, guys. Thanks so much. Maybe my first question on pricing. It's exceeded expectations over the past few quarters. Can you just level set us on what you're seeing in terms of pricing across the portfolio and how it helps in the second half?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks Sheila for the question. Q2 we did see pricing hitting that target at net 1% net of material inflation. So we're happy to see that. We expect that to continue in the back half.

Speaker 4

We did have a price increase that went out in early Q2. We expect to see that start to trickle really in Q3. And in some parts of the business, it will be late Q4. And that's not driven by really customer acceptance or any pushback in the market. That's really just a function of working through backlog.

Speaker 4

And in addition to backlog, have to work through your quoted orders in the system. So that continues to be an area where the teams execute really well. And it really shows, I think, represents the strength of the products, the brands and the value delivered by them.

Speaker 7

Okay. And then maybe another one, changing topics a little bit more. You called out defense in Europe. And obviously, we've seen this nice tailwind in US defense budgets too. So how are you thinking about maybe the biggest opportunities and conversion timing there?

Speaker 3

Specifically, you're speaking of the EOD business, Sheila?

Speaker 7

Yes.

Speaker 3

Yes. Well, mean from an EOD perspective with conflicts continuing to be going on until they wind down we really don't see that cleanup phase being entered, for EOD to begin happening. And keep in mind, the potential customers there whether it's Ukraine or Israel, we have existing relationships and existing supply in terms of bomb suits. We'll see as that winds down, but who would ever thought that they've been in the conflict for as many years that they're into it at this point. So we've worked in some areas behind the scenes to with some demining products and working on various locations to manufacture those in and some design changes there to try to be ready for anything that comes our way.

Speaker 7

Awesome. Thank you.

Speaker 4

You. Thank for

Operator

your questions. Our next question is from the line of Mark Smith with Lake Street. Your line is live.

Speaker 8

Hi, guys. In the presentation, you guys called out kind of ICE and Border Patrol. I'm curious if you guys can talk about kind of how much exposure you have there and any potential bumps from that business?

Speaker 3

So I would just say in general across the board when you look at some of the folks that are out there from a government agency perspective. As we all see in the news, there's continued focus from a border patrol perspective and also from ICE. So those organizations are looking to continue to expand, is what we've seen as we work with those with our existing relationships. And so when you expand, I'll call it feet on the street or personnel numbers or headcount numbers within agencies like that, no different than state and local agencies. The opportunity is there to outfit with our various products that they need.

Speaker 3

So, we're continuing to stay close to those opportunities that come up and we'll be ready to expand as they expand as we go forward.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then shifting over to tariffs, can you just walk through what is kind of built into the guidance today and maybe you know, the unknowns that are still out there that that maybe we get some resolution here, in the coming days?

Speaker 4

Yeah. So what's built in is, you know, tariffs in place, you know, today. I think the, yeah, the biggest unknown is where they end up. Right? And, you know, we feel like we've been through this, you know, kinda unknowing part both quarters.

Speaker 4

Right? Start at the beginning of the year with US and met with Mexico and Canada, and then in q two q one earnings in q two, it was in China. You know, so we've taken the approach of we're baking in what's what's known and in place today. You know, what comes you know, what we'll have to we obviously have a a number of mitigation plans and countermeasures we're working through internally. But, you know, externally, we won't really talk about it until it's it's in play.

Speaker 4

Yeah. You know, the good news is, you know, we've talked about this before. You know, our our supply chains are fairly regional in nature, you know, meaning European products, you know, main or the European manufacturing sites are buying most of their materials from, you know, Europe. And then in The US, it's a bit more North America centric, but USMCA really protects us there. So it's not that we don't have any exposure.

Speaker 4

Would just say it's limited. We certainly don't have, I think, the more complex problems of truly global supply chains where products are really hopping around to a number of different countries before they come to The U. S. But it's one watching closely, you know, some of the, I'd say, lengthier mitigation plans if we saw something more significant would be really moving manufacturing. And when I say that, that doesn't necessarily mean mean moving a plant, but it means moving the production of goods, say, from country a to country b to to mitigate that tariff.

Speaker 4

And if you think about using maybe the armor business as an example, you know, we have production facilities for armor in The US and Mexico, Canada, UK, as well as Lithuania. So we have a number of options when we start to think about where where we produce what products. So that gives us some flexibility, but those movements do take a little more time. You know, those aren't just flip a switch and move it over in a lot of cases Because of the high quality standards, in some cases, certifications, it takes a bit of time to get those ramped up and and running at a kind of typical, efficiency.

Speaker 8

K. Last question for me is just just looking at new products, kind of any updates on kind of your your mix and performance of new products? And are you seeing any change in kind of buying patterns or or adoption around new products? And this is across the board through all all of your businesses.

Speaker 3

Yeah. When you look at, you know, what we launched in the last twenty four months, you know, when we look at what we call our tollgate zeros, is the initial step in that new product development process, We're pleased with the estimates that we made back then and where we thought what we thought we could achieve overall. So, whether it was all the way back when we launched HyperX and what HyperX has been doing, which is our tactical carrier system has extremely well. Our new ballast duty holster line has started out really strong overall. As I mentioned on the remarks, we've done very, very well on the consumer holster side even though the market has been soft when you look at, nick checks and gun sales on that side of things, which is really a testament to us in terms of just that leading brand and a brand that our committed customers look up to and really focus on and the new products has also helped from that perspective.

Speaker 3

So, you look across the board and we're happy with the products that we've focused on and the time and energy and capital that we put into them and as we go forward.

Speaker 2

Excellent. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. Our next question is from the line of Matt Koranda with Roth Capital. Your line is live.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. I guess just two for me. Curious to get your thoughts on Cars integration now that you've had it for about a quarter or so. You mentioned sort of bringing the leadership teams together from Nuclear. Any commercial synergies, I guess, that you're uncovering that might help with growth in the aggregates across your Nuclear businesses?

Speaker 9

And just thoughts on the timing of those potential opportunities?

Speaker 3

Yeah. So Matt, I would say it's early at this point for us to call out or pick out specific ones. But the team had a list of, five overall commercial areas that they wanted to go and take that next step and dig even more into to really determine if we think there's some commercial synergies there across the board. These things range from everything from single face at trade shows, because some of the businesses and some of the brands have stronger relationships in certain regions of the world where others don't. Some have stronger product positions and some don't.

Speaker 3

Some have relationships with customers where other of the brands just quite frankly don't even have a foot in the door. So there's there's discussions like that that they've had across the board. But, you know, that was step one. Get the list together, have each business unit share, about each business. That was the other piece.

Speaker 3

They haven't done that in the past. Even the ones under the Cars side of things, even though they were under the same company. That gave an opportunity for them to share what the business is, what's the current state, what do they do, what are the products, you name it and go deeper there. So, we're a little ways away from having that list and saying we're going to action it at this point.

Speaker 9

Okay. Got it. And then maybe just for Blaine. The midpoint of the revised EBITDA guide, seems to be factoring in maybe slightly lower margins, than the prior guidance. Has that changed due to sort of higher margin projects that are being pushed out?

Speaker 9

Or is there something you're incorporating now from acquisitions that maybe is eroding out of touch?

Speaker 4

No. It's it's really, the first thing you mentioned that, which is some of those large opportunities Brad's talked about, you know, were were better mix, and now, you know, it looks like they're pushing into 2026.

Speaker 9

Okay. Understood. I'll leave it there.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. Our next question is from the line of Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Your line is live.

Speaker 10

Hey, good morning. This is Jordan on for Ron. On backlog, could you guys give us what the organic backlog growth was in the quarter?

Speaker 4

Yes. Organic backlog was flat sequentially. So the majority of that increase is really just at the end of the Zurich Lake Cars engineering division.

Speaker 10

Okay. And then I guess how much of that is it any of the contracts that got pushed out that are no longer being included or just flat demand?

Speaker 4

For the contracts that Brad's talked about would have not been in backlog. Those were not orders in the system that then got pushed out. These are orders that we would expect to receive the back half of this year, early twenty twenty six, and that's when we would reflect them in backlog.

Speaker 10

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your questions. Ladies and gentlemen, that will conclude our Q and A session here for today. And I would like to hand the call back over to Brad Williams for any closing comments.

Speaker 3

Thank you, operator. I'd like to thank everyone again for joining us on today's call and your continued interest in CADRE Holdings. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes today's conference call. Have a great day.

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