Royal Gold Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Our second quarter delivered record revenue of $210 million, net income of $132 million ($2.10/share), an 84% adjusted EBITDA margin, while ending debt-free and declaring a $0.45/share dividend.
  • Positive Sentiment: We announced transformative acquisitions of Sandstorm Gold and Horizon Copper, expected to close in Q4, which will boost scale, growth and sector-leading diversification.
  • Negative Sentiment: Operator Centerra reported lower gold grades at Mount Milligan and cut 2025 gold production guidance to 145k–165k oz, posing a headwind despite our maintained sales guidance.
  • Positive Sentiment: We closed a new gold stream on the Kansanshi mine in Zambia, targeting ~12,500 oz of gold deliveries this year, alongside streams on Ecuador’s Wurinza and Lawyers Ranch projects.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The balance sheet remains strong with a fully undrawn $1.4 billion revolver (now $575 million available post-draw), debt-free status at quarter end and funding drawn for recent acquisitions.
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Operator

Hello all, and thank you for joining us on today's Royal Gold twenty twenty five Second Quarter Conference Call. My name is Drew, and I'll be the operator today. With that, it's my pleasure to hand over to Alastair Baker, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Business Development to begin. Please go ahead when you're ready.

Alistair Baker
Alistair Baker
SVP - IR & Business Development at Royal Gold

Thank you, operator. Good morning, and welcome to our discussion of Royal Gold's Second Quarter twenty twenty five Results. This event is being webcast live, and a replay of this call will be available on our website. Speaking on the call today are Bill Heisenbuttel, President and CEO Paul Libner, Senior Vice President and CFO and Martin Raffield, Senior Vice President of Operations. Other members of the management team are also available for questions.

Alistair Baker
Alistair Baker
SVP - IR & Business Development at Royal Gold

During today's call, we will make forward looking statements, including statements about our projections and expectations for the future. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from These risks and uncertainties are discussed in yesterday's press release and our filings with the SEC. We will also refer to certain non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, adjusted net income per share, adjusted EBITDA and cash G and A. Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in yesterday's press release, which can be found on our website. Phil will start with an overview of the quarter and recent events.

Alistair Baker
Alistair Baker
SVP - IR & Business Development at Royal Gold

Mark will give some commentary on the portfolio and Paul will provide a financial update. After the formal remarks, we'll open the lines for a Q and A session. I will now turn the call over to Bill.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Good morning, and thank you for joining the call. I'll begin on Slide five. Our second quarter was another excellent quarter for Royal Gold with new records for revenue, earnings and cash flow. Earnings for the quarter were $132,000,000 or $2.1 per share. We recognized a couple of discrete tax items that Paul will describe in more detail.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

And after adjusting for these items, earnings were a strong $119,000,000 or $1.81 per share. Gold remained the largest contributor to revenue for the quarter at about 78% of total. And the strong gold price combined with our low and stable cash G and A increased our adjusted EBITDA margin to 84% for the quarter. We were debt free at the end of the quarter and we paid our quarterly dividend of $0.45 per share. We also achieved the full offset of the Pueblo Viejo advanced stream deposit during the quarter despite the recent silver recovery shortfalls.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

We made our investment at Pueblo Viejo in 2015, and we expect to see further revenue into the mid-2040s as Barrick continues to work on an extension to the mine life. On the strategic front, we have taken steps to position Royal Gold as a premier growth company with the Sandstorm Gold and Horizon Copper acquisitions. These transactions will significantly add to our scale, growth and diversification, and the portfolios are uniquely complementary when you consider how our producing heavy portfolio fits with the development heavy Sandstorm and Horizon portfolios. We also think there will be additional benefits, including sector leading asset diversification with no asset accounting for more than about 12% of NAV, simplification of the Sandstorm and Horizon relationship and elimination of a complex intercompany structure. Additional appeal to investors have a larger and more diversified company with the potential for increased investment from passive funds and stronger cash flows from the combined portfolios, which should allow us to continue our record of increasing the dividend, quickly repaying borrowings and continuing to compete for the best opportunities in our sector.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

It is important to note that these transactions do not shift our strategic focus. We remain focused on growth in precious metals, maintaining a strong balance sheet and liquidity and increasing our dividend. While we have been working on these transactions, we have also continued to add assets to the portfolio that meet our criteria for upside in precious metals, and we have completed three recent transactions. Earlier this week, we acquired a gold stream on a world class Kansanshi mine operated by First Quantum in Zambia. The economic effective date is August 5, and we expect gold deliveries of approximately 12,500 ounces this year.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

This is a mine with a twenty year production history and the potential to operate for a further twenty plus years, and it will be a cornerstone asset in our portfolio. This asset acquisition further enhances our portfolio diversification, and as I mentioned, no single asset will contribute more than 12% of net asset value on a pro form a basis with the Sandstorm and Horizon transactions. In May, we acquired a stream and royalty interest on the Wurinza project in Ecuador. This is a large scale copper gold moly project that has world class potential production in the early 2030s. And finally, we acquired a royalty on the Lawyers Ranch development project in British Columbia.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

This transaction adds to our royalty exposure in an emerging gold camp and is an example of how we can identify early stage but high potential opportunities. Finally, I would like to welcome Marcus Stowe to our board of directors. Mark's institutional knowledge with Royal Gold and broad technical background and experience are a welcome addition to the Board, and I look forward to benefiting from his guidance for many years to come. I'll now turn the call over to Martin.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

Thanks, Bill. Turning to Slide six, I'll give some comments on second quarter revenue. Overall revenue was a record $210,000,000 with volume of 63,900 GEOs. Royalty revenue was up by about 50% from the prior year quarter to $77,000,000 We saw another strong quarter from Penasquito and Mancho with additional strong contributions from Bellevue and Wharf. Revenue from our Stream segment was $133,000,000 up by about 8% from last year with increased sales from Mount Milligan, Pueblo Viejo and Comical, partially offset by lower sales from Zavancino, Wassa and Rainy River.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

I'll turn to Slide seven and give some comments on notable developments within the portfolio. At Mount Milligan, Centerra reported yesterday that they had encountered lower than expected gold grades from areas they were mining in the second quarter. They've started an infill and grade control program to address this issue and reduce their 2025 gold production guidance to 145,000 to 165,000 ounces. There is no change to the previous copper production guidance of 50,000,000 to 60,000,000 pounds. Fintera expects production of both metals to be weighted towards the second half of the year.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

Fintera also reported that the pre feasibility study for the mine life extension project remains on track for completion in the third quarter. We expect this will be a positive catalyst for Royal Gold and look forward to seeing the results. At Andacollo, Teck reported that the SAG mill successfully restarted in late June and production has now resumed to full rates after a mechanical issue caused a maintenance shutdown of the SAG mill in early June. Teck also reported that twenty twenty five copper production guidance is unchanged from the previous range of 45 to 55,000 tonnes. Teck does not provide gold production guidance, but we expect the gold deliveries in the fourth quarter of this year will be lower due to the month long shutdown.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

Given the normal course delay between production and sales, we do not expect this shutdown to impact our 2025 sales. Teck also reported that both unions at Andacollo had ratified three year labor contracts in June and July. At Pueblo Viejo, we achieved the full offset of the stream advance payment. We acquired our interest in mid-twenty fifteen, and we are looking forward to further contributions through the mid-2040s as Barrick advances the mine life extension project. We also had some updates at a handful of our smaller assets.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

At Back River, B2Gold announced the first gold pour on June 30, and they expect to ramp up to commercial production in the third quarter. At Cote, Ion Gold reported in June that the processing plant operated at nameplate capacity on average for over thirty consecutive days. At Mararosa, Hochschild reported that mining activity is continuing, but operation of the processing plant was temporarily suspended in June after heavier than usual rainfall as well as contracted performance issues. At Rainy River, New Gold reported record monthly production in June. Production is expected to continue to increase in the third quarter, and the 2025 guidance range of 265,000 to 295,000 ounces is unchanged.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

At Zavancina, Iro revised gold production guidance down to 50,000 to 60,000 ounces for 2025 due to temporary impacts from the transition to mechanized mining. IRO expects this transition to drive higher production with a step change in mining rates in the 2025. Additionally, stream deliveries from Zaventina reached the 49,000 ounce threshold in July, and our cash payment per ounce increased from 25% to 40% of the spot price. And finally, at Cactus, Arizona Sonoran announced it will buy back 45% of our 2.5% MSR royalty to $7,000,000 The buyback was expected and was factored into our initial valuation when the royalty was acquired in late twenty twenty four. I'll now turn the call over to Paul.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Thanks, Martin. I will turn to Slide eight and give an overview of the financial results for the quarter. For this discussion, I'll be comparing the quarter ended 06/30/2025 to the prior year quarter. Revenue for the quarter was up strongly by 20 to $210,000,000 which was another record for the company. Metal prices were a primary driver for the revenue increase with gold up 40%, silver up 17% and copper down slightly by 2% over the prior year.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Gold remains our dominant revenue driver making up 78% of our total revenue for the quarter followed by silver at 11% and copper at 7%. Royal gold has the highest gold revenue percentage when compared to our major peers in the royalty and streaming sector. Turning to Slide nine, I'll provide a bit more detail on certain financial line items for the quarter. G and A expense was $10,300,000 and was in line with the prior year. Excluding non cash stock compensation expense, our cash G and A was up from 4% for the quarter.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Our DD and A expense decreased to $31,000,000 from $36,000,000 in the prior year. The lower overall depletion expense was primarily due to lower depletion rates in our stream segment as well as lower gold sales from Zaventina during the quarter. These decreases were partially offset by higher production at Voisey's Bay and Mancho compared to the prior year. On a unit basis, this expense was $487 per GEO for the quarter compared to $480 per GEO in the prior year. Tax expense for the quarter was $10,500,000 compared to $19,000,000 in the prior year.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

The lower income tax expense in the current period included two discrete tax benefits. First, a $9,000,000 benefit related to a withholding tax refund on a foreign royalty and second, a $4,000,000 benefit for the release of a valuation allowance. Excluding all discrete tax benefits, our effective tax rate for the quarter was 17.9%. Net income for the quarter increased significantly over the prior year to a record $132,300,000 or $2.1 per share. The increase in net income was primarily due to higher revenue and lower tax expense.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

After adjusting for the discrete tax benefits I just mentioned, adjusted net income was a record $118,800,000 or $1.81 per share. Our operating cash flow this quarter was also a record at $153,000,000 up significantly from $114,000,000 in the prior period. The increase was primarily due to higher net cash proceeds received from our stream and royalty interest, lower income tax expense and lower interest expense on our debt when compared to the prior year period. Finally, we are maintaining our 2025 guidance ranges for metal sales, DD and A and tax rate. I will end on Slide 10 and provide a brief summary of our financial position as of 06/30/2025.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

We remain debt free at the end of the quarter and our total liquidity grew to just over $1,250,000,000 which includes the fully undrawn and available $1,000,000,000 revolving credit facility and nearly $270,000,000 of working capital. Our recent business development successes have prompted us to make use of our available liquidity to finance recent acquisitions. As we detailed on Tuesday with the Kansanshi transaction, we amended our revolver in late June and extended the maturity by two years to 2030 and increased the accordion feature from $250,000,000 to $400,000,000 We recently exercised the accordion feature and now have a total committed revolver capacity of $1,400,000,000 We view our credit facility as a key strategic financing tool, and I would like to again thank each banking partner within our syndication for the continued and growing support. Also, as we detailed on Tuesday's consent transaction call, we drew $825,000,000 on the revolver and used $175,000,000 of our available cash to fund the acquisition. The current all in borrowing rate on the recent draw is approximately 5.5%.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Upon this draw and the exercise of the accordion feature, we now have $575,000,000 available under our credit facility. As part of the Warrens acquisition in May, dollars 100,000,000 of funding remains outstanding. We expect to fund the remaining commitment in $250,000,000 tranches, with the first tranche expected in the third quarter twenty twenty five and the second in May 2026. And with respect to the Sandstorm and Horizon transactions, we expect a further draw on the credit facility upon closing, which should occur in the fourth quarter. Finally, we anticipate receiving the first delivery of deferred gold consideration from the Mount Milligan cost support agreement in the latter part of third quarter or early in the fourth quarter.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

As a reminder, as partial consideration for this agreement, Centerra will deliver 50,000 gold ounces in the future. The first deliveries will be in tranches of 11,111 ounces each and relate to production thresholds reached at Equinox Gold's Greenstone mine. The first of those thresholds should occur during the third quarter and we expect to receive this delivery within sixty days of the threshold being reached. To remind you of the accounting, when we receive the deferred gold ounces, the Mount Milliken deferred support liability on our balance sheet will increase by the fair market value of the gold on the date the deferred gold is received. We expect to sell the deferred gold ounces within a few days or a week after they If the price we sell the gold at is higher or lower than the fair market value when we receive the gold, the mark to market difference will go through our earnings.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Understanding there are some accounting related complexities for the deferred gold ounces we will receive and sell, I will provide another explanation of the accounting treatment at our next quarterly call. You should also remember that these deferred gold ounces are not included in our 2025 sales guidance and the sales will not be reflected in our calculation of GEOs. That concludes my comments on our financial performance for the quarter. And I'll now turn the call back to Bill for closing comments.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Thanks, Paul. I want to finish with a brief update on the Sandstorm and Horizon transactions. Since the announcement on July 7, we have had constructive engagement with many investors and shareholders, and we believe there is widespread support for the transactions. Investors appreciate the logic of combining complementary portfolios to create a larger portfolio with growth, diversification, and scale. And we believe that Royal Gold will have the size to attract more generalist investors who like to reduce single asset risk.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

We are feeling confident in our ability to close on the timeline we put forward. We have received approval under the Canadian Competition Act and reviews under the Investment Canada Act and South Africa Competition Act are underway. We expect to file the preliminary proxy with the SEC shortly, and we remain confident that the required approvals will be obtained in order to close in the fourth quarter. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. I'll now open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now start today's Q and A session. Our first question today comes from Fahad Tariq from Jefferies. Your line is now open. Please go ahead with your question.

Fahad Tariq
Fahad Tariq
SVP - Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Hi, thanks for taking my question. Could you maybe talk through the deleveraging goal pro form a after these transactions are complete? I think the revolver will be somewhere around 1,200,000,000.0 Maybe just talk through how you're thinking about deleveraging going forward. Thanks.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think if you followed our history, you've seen us take advances under the revolving credit and then pay that off over time. That would that would still be the the plan. I think Paul mentioned that if we didn't do anything on the business development front, that would that we would expect it to take a couple years.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

But we have to balance that with re other investment opportunities that that might come up. So the the plan, as it always is, is to take excess cash flow, each quarter and pay down the revolver. And at some point, we might get it back to zero.

Fahad Tariq
Fahad Tariq
SVP - Equity Research at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Lawson Winder from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Please proceed.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

Thank you very much, operator, and hello, gentlemen. Thank you for today's update. Can I ask about Milligan and their reduction in their 2025 gold production guidance? So Royal Gold has reiterated their volume production guidance range or volume sales guidance range for 2025 despite that. And so that's also in light of Anticoya underperforming and then Zaventina also underperforming year to date.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

Could you maybe walk us through what some of the assets are in the portfolio that are offsetting, what you're seeing in weakness in those sort of key assets allowing you to remain comfortable with the 2025 guidance range?

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Yes. Lawson, thanks for the question. I think what I might do is turn it over to Martin and let him walk you through how we come up with our guidance ranges, maybe that will help answer the question. So over to you, Martin.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

Yes. Thanks, Lawson. So we don't disclose our guidance based on individual operations. So I'm not really able to give much specific comment in terms of your question about which ones are going to be offsetting this. What I will say is that at the start of each year, we do carry out a rigorous risk adjusted budgeting and guidance preparation process.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

We don't take the guidance ranges supplied by the operators and just use those and come up with our guidance. We receive monthly budget data from the stream partners. We forecast each asset based on historical performance and based on our specific knowledge of that operation. We build in timing adjustments between production deliveries and sales. And in the case of concentrate producing operations like Milligan and Andacollo, those can be up to five to six months where you include port transport, ocean shipping and smelting, etcetera.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

And that's a pretty inexact process, especially in the ocean shipping side because and you'll often see in our press releases that we referenced earlier or late deliveries compared to our expectation during the quarter. So some variability in there. For the royalty assets, we generally have lower information rights. And on those, we tend to rely on historic performance and public disclosures for our risk adjustment process. So as I said at the beginning, we don't just take the numbers provided by the operations.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

We put a lot of risk adjustment into those. Those come out with the numbers. Given that, are comfortable with maintaining our 2025 guidance range at this stage in the year, even though those have been offset somewhat by Milligan underperformance in Zavancino guidance reduction.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

Okay. No. That's That's that's very clear explanations. Can I ask about Kansanshi as well? I'm sure you're very pleased to have gotten that asset.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

I mean, it's a fabulous asset. So congratulations on achieving this deal. What I wanted to ask about though with respect to this deal is exposure to Africa. And, you know, Zambia relative to other African jurisdictions has, you know, proven to be, one of the better quality jurisdictions in Africa. But without question, there's a lot of political volatility in the country.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

And you do have Comacao and Botswana, there's been a recent political change there with a new president. Where you are today, like assuming Kinsanshi is in the portfolio, are you at a point now where you're maxed out on African exposure? Or are you still comfortable adding additional exposure in Africa?

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Lawson, it's not so much a continent approach that we would take. We're very comfortable in the in the three countries where we have interest. So it's more of a a country by country, and I certainly wouldn't wanna sit here today and and rule out further investments in a country where we have found that, our investments have done well. You know, I I think Botswana, in in particular, stands out a little bit. I wouldn't I wouldn't wanna take Africa off the, off the table because we have other investments.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

We're if we're comfortable with the country, we would consider, additional investments. And and, you know, I have to tell you, there's political uncertainty all over the world and in even in countries that, you know, we we tend to think of as stable. So and that's one of the reasons we really like the Sandstorm and Horizon transactions. The diversification in the portfolio, I think, is really helpful, for us.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

Okay. Well said on global political risk. If I could just ask one more question on capital allocation. The shares, without question, have underperformed since you announced the Sandstorm transaction. I think there are some folks wondering whether or not there's any consideration for Royal Gold to implement a buyback as a result.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

Fully acknowledge that you've been, reluctant to do that historically, but just in light of the current situation, is there any consideration to that?

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

At this point, I don't think you know, I think what we're gonna do with with excess cash flow at this point is pay down, the debt that we are going to take on, with the with these transactions. To the extent we can find business development opportunities, we'll we'll look at those as well. But debt repayment, I think, is going to be a key focus before we ever get to consideration of a buyback.

Lawson Winder
Lawson Winder
Director & Equity Research Analyst - Metals & Mining at Bank of America

Excellent. Thank you very much, Phil.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Thanks,

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Wolfson from RBC. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

Yes. Thanks very much. Just a couple of quick ones. On the Sandstorm transaction, is there any more information you can provide on the timing of the circular filing and when the shareholder votes are scheduled?

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Josh, I really can't. I I'm sort of focused on on our side of things, and and I I don't honestly have the timetable straight in my head. But we're we're going to shortly file the preliminary proxy with the SEC. And I think what once we know whether we're gonna get comments, whether we have to respond to comments, the timing of it then will play out once we have that. So there there's there's nothing we see that that makes us think the fourth quarter isn't a good target, but I don't think I can provide much more in the way of a detailed timetable at this point.

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks. And then with this transaction, are there going to be any additional disclosures or documentation, I guess, specifically for the 301s? I know historically, sometimes these transactions would require some some disclosures on on a key asset either for the target companies or or yourselves.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Just actually, let me, Martin, do you have a view on on what we might see in terms of, forty three one zero one or similar technical reports?

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

Josh, are you asking whether we would be putting out forty three one o ones, or are you talking about operator forty three one o ones that we expect?

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

It would be your filing of the forty three one zero ones for your underlying stream related operations or same store or Horizon filing any of these documents, if you're if you're aware of that.

Martin Raffield
Martin Raffield
SVP - Operations at Royal Gold

Yeah. We're we're not, we're not planning on filing any documents for the for the or any forty three one zero one documents for these properties at the moment. No.

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And then last question just on related to some of the accounting that was commented out with the mantle again ounces in the third or fourth quarter. Could you remind us what the guess what booked value was of those ounces?

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Hi, Josh. This is Thanks for your question.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Go ahead, Paul.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Oh, sorry, Bill. Yeah. No.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Go ahead, Paul.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

No. Can can you hear me okay?

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

Yep. Loud and clear.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Hello? Okay. Sorry. If you recall in the transaction, back in, 2024, we did receive some cash and also that free cash flow interest and then also these deferred gold ounces. The only thing that was booked at the time of transaction was was is part of this deferred support liability that we have on the balance sheet was that cash, the 25,000,000. So we have no basis in those ounces yet. So once we receive those ounces, again that deferred liability will go up by the fair market value of those ounces received and then we'll subsequently sell those ounces in the market within a few days afterwards of receipt. And then that deferred liability will go up by that the fair market value of those ounces received.

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

Okay. So just to clarify, your comments on the you know, the the accounting impact is is the difference of when you book that, income in the third quarter versus the sale price in the fourth quarter, not related to what it stands in the book today. Okay.

Paul Libner
Paul Libner
SVP & CFO at Royal Gold

Correct. Yeah. More more of a mark to market. Just wanna make you aware of it. But more importantly, just as I said also in those prepared remarks is that, again, those ounces will not be part of our, you know, or they're not part of our 2025 sales guidance, and and they're not gonna be reflected in our in our GEO calculations.

Josh Wolfson
Josh Wolfson
Director, Head of Global Mining Research at RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

With that, we have no further questions at this time. So I'll hand back over to Bill Heisenbuttel for some closing comments.

William Heissenbuttel
William Heissenbuttel
President, CEO & Director at Royal Gold

Well, thank you for taking the time to join us today. We we certainly appreciate your your interest. We look forward to updating you on our progress during our next quarterly call. Take care.

Operator

That concludes today's call. You may now disconnect your line.

Executives
    • Alistair Baker
      Alistair Baker
      SVP - IR & Business Development
    • William Heissenbuttel
      William Heissenbuttel
      President, CEO & Director
    • Martin Raffield
      Martin Raffield
      SVP - Operations
    • Paul Libner
      Paul Libner
      SVP & CFO
Analysts