NEXT H1 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Group sales rose 10.3% in the half year with full-price sales up 11%, UK sales +7.6%, international online +28%, profit before tax +14% and EPS +16.8% (boosted by share buybacks).
  • Negative Sentiment: Management warned the UK first-half growth was weather- and competitor-driven, and expects a tougher second half, prompting a cautious outlook.
  • Positive Sentiment: International online now trades in local currency across all 83 countries, with marketing spend up 57% delivering strong returns and international sales growing 33%.
  • Negative Sentiment: The new Enfield warehouse has increased capacity by over 40% and delivered cost savings, but order fill-rate issues at around 5% remain above target, with fixes expected by mid next year.
  • Positive Sentiment: Net debt fell by £180m, surplus cash reached £87m, and the company has up to £350m earmarked for further share buybacks or special dividends, underscoring a strong balance sheet.
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Earnings Conference Call
NEXT H1 2026
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Executive

Good morning and welcome to the NXT PLC Half Year Presentation. It is great to see all portions of our business moving forward in a positive way. Geographically, the business in The UK, both retail and online, and our international business are all moving forward in a meaningful way here. If you look at the data from another viewpoint, looking at our brands, our next brand, wholly owned brands and third party brands are also very positive. While we are very pleased about our broad based growth, we maintain a balanced and cautious outlook for the future, principally due to the external situation, here in The UK and around the world.

Executive

In spite of what the external world may hold for us, we believe that our strong management team, balance sheet and financial position leave us very well positioned to withstand any external events. Before I turn over to Simon, I would like to publicly recognize the retirement of a very important, long serving and experienced executive. Her name is Shona Anderson. And her final position at NeXT was both Corporate Secretary and Corporate Controller. Shona always seemed to wear at least two hats at NEXT.

Executive

She was a great asset to the Board and a great asset to the company. And I think she really embodied the culture of NEXT. Very hardworking, very smart, willing to take the lead when necessary, but also worked very well in a team to really meet our objectives. So I've shown her many thanks And I'm sure in any Board where you're an NED in the future, we'll be very glad to have you. Simon?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Thank you very much, Shona. I didn't know I was just doubling up as a recruitment consultant. Excellent. Yes, thank you, Shona. So sort of standing back from the numbers, really good first half.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And I think there are the important thing to stress about these numbers is that there is news that is genuinely very good news, and there's news that's not quite as good as it looks. And the news that's very good news is the overseas sales. There are it doesn't appear to us that there are any sort of external tailwinds that are helping that business. But in The UK, we think the first half was definitely boosted mainly by the weather. This year was a particularly good summer.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Last year was particularly poor. And competitive disruption definitely helped us towards the back end of that half, which is why we're not as optimistic for the second half as we have been, or as our performance in the first half would indicate. So moving on to those numbers. Total sales up 10.3. Full price sales up just under 11%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Breaking that down, in terms of UK, UK up 7.6%. Online still ahead of retail, but perhaps the most exciting or most surprising number here is The UK retail number. And that is driven 1% of that comes from new space. But the underlying strength, we think, is down to the weather, where weather seems to have a disproportionate effect on retail when particularly when you get sudden changes, people want the product immediately. Overseas, up 28%, which was an unexpected but very good performance.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Profit before tax, up just under 14%. Tax rate, pretty much in line with last year and as we expect it to be for the full year. And then in terms of earnings per share, earnings per share up 16.8%, boosted by the share buybacks mainly by the share buybacks we did last at the end of last year. In terms of the dividend, 16% increase in the interim dividend. We'd expect the full year dividend to be broadly to increase broadly in the moment at whatever we deliver in terms of EPS, in terms of the total dividend for the year.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of cash flow, just to remind you all, we talk about profit and loss and sales. When we talk about that for the group, we consolidate we report the percentage of the businesses that we own. So of the subsidiaries that we own, we report. If we own 70% of the business, we'll report 70% of their sales, 70% of their profit. In the cash flow and balance sheet, for reasons I don't quite understand, it's impossible to get disaggregated according to our finance department, so we'll show this on a fully consolidated basis.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Cash flow from profit, 62,000,000. In terms of capital expenditure, up marginally on last year and a half. Just to, restate where we are on CapEx, pounds 179,000,000, which is pretty much what we expected to spend at the beginning of the year. In terms of where the growth is coming from, it's all coming from the increase in additional space. It's not maintenance CapEx.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Maintenance CapEx in the stores ran at 17,000,000 will run at about £17,000,000 this year compared to £20,000,000 last year. And that's the sort of number that we would expect in terms of maintenance CapEx, for the foreseeable future for the next few years. In terms of the space expansion, we mentioned at the beginning of the year, is a bit of a one off. It was the it's the sort of first of a kind, we spent more on it than we would spend. Normally, it's £19,000,000 of that £54,000,000 And the only news here really is that having owned it, it's hitting its targets.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

But I wouldn't want you to look at the payback on this store and think that's what next targets are going forward. It is very much a one off. In terms of the stores that we opened that weren't Zurich, they missed their target so far. They've missed their target by around 6%, 18% net branch contribution. So they've beaten the hurdle that we internal hurdle that we set of 15% profitability, but they missed the payback of twenty four months, and we expect them to miss the payback of twenty four months.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And I think there is an important point to make here, and that is that it's going to be much harder to open retail space in today's environment than it was ten years ago. And it's just worth spending a little bit of time explaining that. If you look at what our stores were taking on average per square foot ten years ago, being around 300 a square foot. Today, on a like for like basis, a store that was taking 300 a square foot ten years ago, today would be taking about 30% less. Now as it transpires, that's not as big a problem as it sounds because rents have come down on a like for like basis by pretty much the same amount.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So we still got a profitable store portfolio. The issue is the cash generated per square foot versus the cost of fitting it out. So at, let's say, 25% cash contribution, adding back depreciation of around 25%, we were generating GBP 75 a square foot, but today, that would generate GBP 53 a square foot. So if you look at the payback, very simple basis, it's deteriorated not just because the cash per square foot has gone down, but because the cost per square foot of fitting out shops has gone up significantly, 32% in that interim period. So what would have been a twenty two month payback is today a forty two month payback on a like for like basis.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Now obviously, actually, our average square pounds per square foot in the portfolio hasn't dropped by nearly as much as the like for likes. And that's because, generally, we've owned smaller shops, losing a little bit of potential in locations but in order to boost the pounds per square foot to attempt to pay for the shop fit. Nonetheless, we haven't hit the twenty four month payback. And the question that we are asking ourselves that we haven't completely answered yet is, looking at the portfolio that we've opened, 18% net branch contribution, 38% internal rate of return, payback, and that's based on the assumption that the stores decline by 2% like for like each year after opening. The question is would we today close those stores because they were performing like that?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

The answer is no. And so what we need to do, if if we are to continue to open space, and there is a big if there, we're going to have to look at we won't be able to do it at twenty four months payback, I don't think. And I think the answer is, to come up with different hurdles and to raise the hurdle to reduce the risk of shops by raising the profitability hurdle, entering where we can into turnover rent arrangements or total occupancy cost arrangements to derisk shops. And I think in those circumstances, and only in those circumstances, we can afford to take a slightly longer payback. We're going to be thinking about we haven't come to a sort of definitive set of hurdles, but I wanted to give you a sense of as we move the goalposts, the direction in which we're moving the goalposts, if and when it happens.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Think one of the important things that will feed into our consideration is what happens to wage costs and the outlook for our employment equal pay case. Because if we think wages are going to continue to go up dramatically as a percentage of sales, then that will affect this decision also. And so that's new stores. In terms of working capital, 18,000,000 less. This is mainly about the timing of payments for staff incentives.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Actually, all about the payment we made last year in respect of the previous year's performance, which was a very good performance. We tend to repay the staff bonus or the employee bonus in the financial year after it's been earned, which is why you sort of get this tail out. So that's given us cash boost. Stock's up £25,000,000 and we'll be talking more about that later. So total surplus cash, £87,000,000 on last year.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Buybacks, up GBP 43,000,000. This isn't because we've consciously slowed down our buyback program. It's because for a loss of the last six months, we've been knocked out of the market. Jonathan got annoyed at me when I said locked out of the market in the rehearsal because it made it sound like somehow we weren't allowed to trade. We were, but we were above our internal hurdle for price.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

It looks like you very helpfully helped us with that today, but our intention will be to carry on buying back shares as and when we can. Net cash flow, up £141,000,000 Moving on to the balance sheet. Investments appears to have come down by £17,000,000 This is all about the amortization of brands on the balance sheet. Stock, I need to talk a little bit about stock because our stock has gone up more than you would expect and, in fact, more than we expected, and I need to explain that. And actually, in the next brand, it's gone up by 16%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Just to explain that, two years ago, we were on around twenty weeks cover of stock, that's the stock in the business and the stock on the water. Last year, we increased our cover to account for the additional time the stock was going to be on the water, which is about two and a bit weeks. And because we were experiencing disruption in Bangladesh, so we moved to twenty three weeks. We thought that was it. This year, we're on twenty six weeks.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And the reason for that is because last year, a huge amount of our stock still turned up late, mainly as a result of factory disruption, but also disruption in the world's logistics, the freight market. And so this year, our teams built and embraced the decisions by and they ordered early. And I would stress this is ordering early rather than ordering more stock, but we clearly overdid it. In addition, not only that, but because capacity has come out of the global supply network, feels like that to us. Factories have actually been delivering early.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

They've got a window of two weeks they can deliver early. And actually, freight times have taken slightly less than we have put into our calculations. So both of those are good news in a way, but it means we've got much more stock in the business. In terms of end of season sale and the total amount of stock we bought, we're not anticipating that our stock before the end of season will be any higher than the forecast we got for second half growth. So we think end of season stock, combined with any mid season stock, the total stock for markdown in the year, we think will still be at or just below 4%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think it is also worth mentioning there is a slight upside risk here on sales numbers by having so much stock. This time last year, as we ran into Christmas, those delays were definitely impacting some of the sales on some of the products that we were selling. So there's a potential upside from having all that stock in the business. In terms of customer receivables, customer receivables is the amount our customers owe us on their mail order accounts sort of mail order going back in time there. On their online accounts, actually, credit sales to customers were up 5.2%, but we're continuing to see customers paying down their balances slightly faster.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We think that's a very encouraging sign. It means consumers our consumers at any rate are not feeling, squeezed. In terms of default rates, they are the lowest levels that we've ever seen them at 2.3%. And we're still conservatively covered in terms of provisions at 7.6%. So we although we've released GBP 10,000,000 of provisions this year, and we did the same thing last year in the first half.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We are still, I would argue, adequately, but not over provided, for bad debt. After that, I said we over provided stuff just for the benefit of our auditors that are in the room who we have regular interesting conversations, Larry. Other debtors, 56,000,000, that's two things going on. First of all, the growth in our aggregation business. Our aggregation business is largely on commission, which means that the aggregator, people like Zalando about you, take the sales and a month later give us those sales less of their commission, so there's a month lag and that increases cash out by GBP 20,000,000.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And about a year ago or just under a year ago, we stopped doing the interest free credit in our stores on furniture with Barclays and took it in house and financed ourselves, and that's what's sucking out that other GBP 19,000,000 of cash. Credit is up GBP 152,000,000. Big number here is stock, as I've explained. We've ordered more stock, so we owe more to our suppliers. The other two issues are payroll accruals and taxes, and both of those are fascinating subjects, upon which I could spend a lot of time speaking.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

But I don't want to deprive Jonathan of any of the interesting questions you may give him afterwards. Please do speak to Jonathan about those in detail afterwards. They're basically technical. Dividends, up 9%, in line with last year's earnings per share. Buybacks, down 100 buyback commitments.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

This is not buybacks. This is the last year, we put in place a six month buyback program. We haven't put in that program this year, partly because our share price was above our target. We will continue to do closed period buybacks, but you shouldn't necessarily expect us to do a long six month program of committed buybacks going forward. So net debt down £180,000,000 net assets up $340,000,000 very strong balance sheet and very strongly financed.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

This was the, our cash and facilities at the beginning of the year, our financing at the beginning of the year at £1,200,000,000 We repaid the 2025 GBP $250,000,000 bond. We also bought back GBP 136,000,000 worth of the GBP 2 fifty-twenty 26 bond. That was funded by the issue of £300,000,000 bond. You'll remember that we have been keeping our powder dry for a number of years now, accumulating cash in case we weren't able to go into the market or we thought the market wasn't at a price that we prepared to pay. The market actually was fine, so we've refinanced those bonds through the market.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And we pushed our RCF up by GBP 100,000,000. So we're still very comfortably financed as a business. In terms of cash flow in the year and debt, we start at GBP $660,000,000, generating around GBP $870,000,000 of cash, GBP 179,000,000 of CapEx, pounds $2.80 odd million of ordinary dividends. And were we to land at exactly the same number at the end of the year, we'd be at £400 we'd return around £400,000,000 of cash to shareholders. We think that $660,000,000 is beginning to look a little bit low.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We've always said that the company should maintain or intends to maintain investment grade, and we're way off the leverage that will put us close to the edges of investment grade. The company has been at more than 1.2 leverage. We started the year at 0.63. We think it will be wrong for us to continue to lower the leverage. So maintaining leverage at 0.63 means that year end debt, we're now forecasting to be around GBP $720,000,000 with GBP $470,000,000 of cash to be returned to shareholders or invested.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In the meantime, we've only spent £119,000,000 on buybacks so far. That leaves £350,000,000 odd to either buy back spend on buybacks, or special dividends or investments. Although I should say, whilst we are talking to a number of potential investments at the moment, there are none of any significant size that will put a dent in that number. So basically, most of it will either be share buybacks or special dividends. Moving on to Retail.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Retail sales up 3.7%. Full price sales up 5.4%. The big drop in markdown sales in store is all about the fact that we kept far more of our stock online, and the online warehouses for the online sales, particularly overseas, than, we put into retail. We felt we could get a better return there, And it was one of the big advantages of having so much more capacity that we were able to retain more sales stock for the online sale. So underlying full price sales after deducting new space is around 4.2%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Profit in store was down 1.4%. Margins off by 05%. In my normal way, I'll be going through, in painful detail, all the margin movements, but spoiler, this is all about National Insurance. Basically, the entire all the erosion of margin is about National Insurance, NIC and minimum wages pushing up the cost of labor in stores. Autumn margin nudged up a little bit, with underlying margin up 0.2.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Remember, this is where we said we will push our prices up a little bit to help pay for the cost of NIC. Markdown clearance rates. Even though we had less stock in the stores, our clearance rates were a little lower. Payroll was a big cost. And here, actually, without the productivity improvements we were able to make, that number would have been 0.7.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Store occupancy costs, positive movement here, increasing like for like sales pushing wage costs down as a percentage of sales, new space, particularly stores actually opened in the second half of last year, pushing up costs of space by a point the same point offsetting that, lower energy costs and no business rates refund this year, whereas we did have one last year. Central costs, not a lot of movement here, a little bit more technology cost and Retail's share of the marketing campaign that we did into March, April, the sort of newspaper campaign we did then. So total movement, minus 0.5% in Retail. Looking to the full year, assuming that our like for like sales are down 2% in the second half, we'd expect total sales to be down 0.6%. What that means is that we would expect margins for the full year to be at 9.8%, down 1.2% on the previous year, of which 1.1% comes from NIC wages.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And if you're wondering why the erosion is greater in the second half than the first half from the NIC and wages bill, it's because it didn't come until April. Moving on to Online. Just to remind you that Online Business Now, we split in terms of our analysis, we split between UK and overseas, because the economics are quite different in the two businesses. So starting with our Online business in The UK. Total sales up 11%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

That was boosted by the additional stock that we had for sale that we kept back for sale. So underlying full price sales up 9.2%. In terms of where that's come from, the business now is just under half the business is non Next brands. And in terms of where we're getting the growth, Next brands still growing online in The UK, but you can see third party brands and wholly owned brands and licenses, delivering around 13%, 14% growth between them. That's important.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And one thing I should say is that wholly owned brands and licenses are a bit of a mouthful, so we'll use the unfortunate acronym WOBL as we go through here. But you can smile at that now. Please don't smile at it as I'm going through because it's just embarrassing. Profit, a really good number on profit in The UK, up 17.7%. Margins are improved.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Next brands these numbers I'm showing you these numbers, but they're not quite right because we've reallocated cost between our non NeXT branded business and NeXT. Over the past two or three years, we haven't added some of the technology and marketing costs. We've attributed them all to the NeXT brand. But actually, when you look at the marketing, although most of it is focused on the next brand, the reality is it does benefit the non business too. So we were under allocating marketing and tech costs to the non NEXT branded business.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

If we just sort of walk both of those numbers forward, and I've swapped the columns and rows here, so just econometize yourself. The starting point is at the top, and that is without the adjustment in, central overheads. If I count for the adjustment in central overheads, the underlying, next brand profit would have been at 20, brands at 12.2. What you can see is the next brand has moved forward a smidge and the non expanded business has moved forward by around just under 2%. That's all about the item level profitability work we did to make sure that we weren't selling unprofitable third party brands on the website.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And that really came down to mainly commission brands that were putting low value, high returning items onto our website. And those items, because they're low value and we're going out and coming back in large volumes, were eating up all of their profit, through operations costs. So we've weeded out those products in one of two ways. We've said to the brands, either you can keep the items on the website, you have to pay high commission for them, or you can take them off. And they've done a combination of both.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So in terms of the walk forward on margin, what you can see is bought in gross margin on brands up 0.7%. That's all about higher commission rates on those unprofitable lines. Markdown, broadly in line with last year. And actually, a good number considering how much more stock we had on the website, how much more markdown stock we had on the website. And warehouse and distribution, big gain on the branded non Nex branded side of the business, and that was all about taking out these low value, high volume lines.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

If full price sales in The UK Online are up 3.6% in the second half, then we expect margins to move forward for the full year to around 0.8%, with total margins around 21.5% in The UK for the full year online. Moving on to our international business online. Total sales up 33%. We were able to put an awful lot more markdown stock onto our international websites. So the actual underlying full price sales were up only 28%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of where the business is at the moment, around onethree of it is coming on third party aggregators, like, says Orlando of Are You, 70%, from the next direct websites. In terms of growth, 26% on the next direct websites. We think of that 26%, we think around two thirds of it, 17% is driven by marketing and 9% natural, word-of-mouth, etcetera. On third party, the 33% is better than the underlying trend. We think new aggregates added 9%, of the growth, and the existing aggregates grew broadly in line with our own website at around 24%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Terms of the shape of the business globally, still dominated by Europe and The Middle East. In terms of growth rates, Europe grew the strongest. I think the most encouraging number actually on this page, and in fact, this section, is the growth that we're getting in the rest of the world, where in many territories where we had no traction at all, we have begun to get good growth. And I'm going to talk a little bit more about that in the sort of focus section at the end. In terms of profits, profit up 36%, margins moved forward by 0.4%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

There is a slight wrinkle here in that last year, we understated profits by around 0.7% in the first half. That reversed out in the second half. This is all about over providing for duty in one of the territories where duty rules changed, we were overly conservative in that. So actual like for like restated margin is broadly flat at around 15%. Bortie gross margin, up 0.4% underlying margin on Next Goods, up 0.2% and lower duty goods lower duty costs contributing 0.2% to margin.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

That's not because duties have come down, it's because we've become more effective at working out exactly what duty we should be paying and reducing admin costs. In terms of markdown, this isn't really an erosion of profit. This is because we've got so much more so many more markdown sales on the website because we put more stock on. So it's more about pushing the top line up from the 28 to 33 than it is about pulling the profitability of the full price sales down. Warehouse and distribution, inflationary costs in wages broadly, offset by operating efficiency, leverage over fixed overheads and an increase in handling charges.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

This is where the customer is paying for the delivery of goods. Marketing is the big increase in cost, as you'd expect. So you can see that more than all of the margin erosion overseas was driven by our increasing marketing costs, which we see as a strong positive. And again, I'll talk about that in a little bit more detail later. In terms of second half, we forecast for the second half to be up 19%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

You might look at that and go, that looks overly conservative, given that we grew by 28% in the first half. In the first half, we grew our marketing by 57%. At the moment, we don't think we have the opportunity to increase marketing by much more than 25% in the second half. That is why we are being cautious about that number. It's still a big number, but relatively cautious.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We will see how it goes. If we are able to achieve better returns on our marketing, I wouldn't want you to think that that budget is fixed. We as an each every few weeks, we review the performance of our marketing, if we do better than expect to get better returns, then we will increase that number. So margin forecast for the full year, we're expecting to be up around 1% on the basis of those assumptions, just under 15% net margins. Moving on to customers.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Grew customers across the board. UK credit up 4%, just under the 5% increase in credit sales. UK cash customers up 12%. We think this number was almost certainly temporarily boosted by the disruption to another retailer as we were at during the year. So I think I wouldn't expect that number to continue for the full year.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

International customers are broadly in line with sales, slightly more as you'd expect because the new customers likely spend less than the existing customers. In terms of sales per customer, a move forward in The UK, we think driven by the increased product offer we've got on our website and overseas, a reduction, but potentially by less than you'd expect given the increase in new customers that we've got on the international business. And just to remind you that these numbers exclude aggregators because we don't know how many customers are shopping with us on aggregators. Now the sharp amongst you, I'm sure is all of you, will instantly be saying, hold on a second, that 10,300,000 was significantly less than the £13,700,000 he quoted at the year end. And what's how have they managed to lose all the customers?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Just to remind you, we switched at the end of last year just talking about unique customers that order in the year rather than access because it was the only way of getting meaningful sales per customer numbers. The £10,300,000 is the number that's ordered in the half year, not the full year. So we would expect the full year number to be more than 13,700,000 unique customers in the year. Moving on to full year guidance. Full year guidance, we're expecting sales to be up 7.5%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

That looks conservative. Looks like a six point swing in the second half if you just compare it to the first half. If you compare it to two years ago, it looks a little bit more realistic at 3.7%. And remember that this year, we had an exceptional summer, competitive disruption in the first half, which boosted numbers, and we think The UK economy will get tougher as we move through the second half. What we're particularly concerned about, is employment.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

If this is the, so you can see vacancies have continued to drop since 2022, and that there we can see no change in that trend. And that is beginning to be affected, to affect payroll employee numbers. It hasn't yet affected unemployment numbers. Our view is that it will. And what's interesting is that those numbers are reflected in our own numbers, which are much more dramatic.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So if we look at the number of vacancies that we have in NEXT relative to two years ago, we've got 35% less vacancies. That's not because we are dramatically or even at all reducing our headcount. By far, biggest driver of this is a slowing in staff turnover, and we're seeing that across the board. And we think that is indicative of the absence of job opportunities elsewhere in the economy. If we look at the applications that we're getting, unique applications that we're getting for those vacancies, they're up by 76%, even more dramatic in head office, actually.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And so the applicant per vacancy ratio is now at 17 per vacancy. That's up 2.7 on two years ago. So if you look at that the other way around, if you were to apply for a job at NEXT, your chances of being successful have reduced by over 60%. I'm not saying that you will apply or that you have got good prospects, by the way, but nonetheless the odds are worse. We think that is indicative of what's happening in the wider economy.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We think the reasons for that are very simple. They're threefold. First of all, I should say it is that at the entry level, we are seeing by far the most pressure. We think there's a very obvious reason for that. If you look at the cost of national living wage, it's gone up 88% over the last ten years compared to inflation at 38%.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And if you look at the cost of part time workers and factoring the NIC, the cost of a sixteen hour part time employee has gone up just over 100% versus ten years ago. That has meant inevitably that customers companies have driven for productivity. NEXT is no exception. We've invested in enormous amounts of mechanization because this hasn't just affected entry level work, it's also affected, the levels immediately above that. As well, for example, in warehousing, where we put a lot of mechanization in.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So you've got increasing costs driving mechanization layer on top of that, AI, making a lot of entry level desk work much more productive and impending legislative barriers to employment. And we think what you're looking at is a big squeeze on employment. Now how that no one knows how that will pan out pan out. Our guess is that it won't pan out with some sort of cliff edge moment of sudden massive unemployment. I don't think that's going to happen.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We think it's much more likely that companies will do what, in essence, we have done, which is as and when vacancies come up through natural turnover, not replace them. And particularly at the entry level where you tend to get higher levels of turnover as well. So we think this squeeze is going to be felt by the people coming into the workforce or attempting to move jobs rather than those in the workforce, which goes some way to explaining the stability of our data book. So that was a little section just to anyone who is looking at our H2 numbers and going, oh, they're way too soft. It's just to add a little bit of our caution to yours.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of where we are for the full year, 7.5% sales growth, we think, will deliver around GBP 1,100,000,000.0 of profit. I'm not going to walk this forward from last year. I'm just going to walk it forward from the estimate that we gave in March to talk about the differences. So if we're at £10.66 estimate in March, in terms of the change, the lion's share of the change is driven by our increased expectations of sales, mainly in the first half, 34,000,000. Clearance sales have significantly improved.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

These are not the sales in the end of season sale. These are the sales that we get on the clearance tab of the website. And it's one of the big unseen benefits of having so much more capacity in that we've been able to put away and put up for sale in a much shorter time all the stock that comes out of the indices and sale. So our clearance tabs have had a very good clearance tab on the website had a very good half year, and we expect that to continue right to the end of the year, that adds GBP 7,000,000 of profit. Total platform partners, we've increased our estimates from their of their profits and total platform profit from GBP 78,000,000 to 80,000,000, and there may be a little bit more upside in that as the year progresses.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And we're spending more on marketing. And as that marketing becomes more effective, we're increasing the amount we spend, that pulls profit back a little bit, to give you the $11.00 £5,000,000 profit for the year end. That would result in earnings per share up 12.5%, assuming we can buy back all the we can use all of our surplus cash to buy back shares in the second half. If we can't, it won't affect TSR because we'll put it in special dividend. After that, dividend yield is around 2.5% and to get to TSR around 15%, which we are we will be very pleased with if we can achieve that.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Standing back from the numbers, just to talk about the shape of the business. NeXT has evolved slowly over the last ten years into a very different business from the one it used to be. And in your pack, we've given a real analyst's delight, I think, of the participation of every segment of our business by brand, by geography, given the participation, the sales growth in percentages and the sales growth in cash. So hours and hours of fun with your spreadsheets, getting ever more granular predictions. But it does bring home that the business has changed and that the business is far less constrained by its core brand in its core market of The UK.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And it's a sort of story of quarters, really. If you look at the business now, we're taking nearly a quarter of our sales, and by the end of the year, probably it will be a quarter of our sales overseas. If we look in The UK, we're taking just over a quarter of our sales on non brands. If you look overseas, where you'd expect the NEXT brands to be and pretty much all our sales, it isn't actually. We are getting some traction overseas with non brands.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

The difference between the non NEXT branded business overseas and The UK is that overseas are Wobble business, the wholly owned brands and licenses are a much bigger percentage of that business. And when you think about it, there's an obvious reason for that. In overseas, on all the other third party brands, or most of them, we are competing with other local, often dominant aggregators for sales on those brands. But in brands that we own, that have much less exposure in those markets, we're often the only source of those brands. In terms of growth, what you can see is it's the peripheral, the smaller businesses that are outside of our core next UK business that are delivering the growth.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And if you look at it in cash terms, it's pretty even. Still The UK delivering the majority of our growth, the next brand in The UK delivering GBP 75,000,000 of the growth, although that was boosted in the first half. So you would expect that number relative to the other numbers to be lower for the full year. And what's driving that growth is a combination I'm going to just sort of focus on four things. There are lots of things we're doing, and this is not a comprehensive list of all the things that we're doing to drive growth.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I'm going focus on four things: products the new warehouse and how that's going, our international websites where we've made a lot of progress, and international marketing. Starting with product, breaking it down into three sections: Next, third party brands and wholly owned brands and licenses. There's not the next brand is where I and most of my colleagues spend the vast majority of our time, and there's not a huge amount to say about it. But I wouldn't want the absence of a long expose to think that for you to think that it's not where we spend most of our time. The emphasis here is, as I've said for the last three results, on three things.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

First of all, redelivering newness, Delivering new trends, when they first appear as soon as possible with conviction. And where we've done that, it has definitely paid off. And it it does seem to be a general trend that we're seeing across everywhere that newness delivering the right newness, pays off. You can't do that old thing of saying, we'll try something this season, and if it works, do a lot more of it next season. Next season, it's too late.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Secondly is improving quality. Improving the quality at every part of our every bit of our price architecture, improving the quality. The the main thrust there has been improving improving fabric and yarn and working harder with mills before we've necessarily decided which garments fabrics and yarns are going to go into to develop fabrics and yarns earlier in the product life cycle. And again, where we've done that, that has delivered, we think, much better product. And not just at the sort of mid and upper price points, but actually most in one case in particular, most noticeably at the entry price point where we've really been able to through engineering fabric and yarns, we've been able to improve significantly improve the quality of our entry level product.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And the third thing is pushing the boundaries of our price architecture into delivering more items at the top end of our price architecture. And it is worth saying we think that is the way that the market is going. It's not a dramatic effect, but if you look at the increase in our like for like product, the like for like product is up by around 1% in price factory gate in essence, factory gate prices that we pass through to customers, up around 1%. The mix, what people are actually buying, is up 4%. And we think consumers are buying slightly fewer, slightly better things.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And that's certainly everything we can see from our sales data is telling us that. In terms of third party brands, third party brands had a good season, up 16%, delivering £67,000,000 of growth. The thing that has really made the difference here has been focusing on our major brands. We spent a long time building our brand portfolio, adding new brands. We've gone back and really focused on getting the best offer from our biggest and most popular brands.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And the story there is exactly the same as the story on the next next brand. We have had to be braver with buying more of their new products than we have been in the past on wholesale. And on commission, we've had to force them to be a little bit braver about putting things that they haven't had a lot of history not force them, encourage them to be braver about putting more of their newer stock onto our website and being braver with the newness and making sure that we're backing that in-depth. And I suppose that's the positive. The negative is not relying on last year's death sterling blue V neck or white polo shirt to deliver exactly the same as it did last year, this year.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

That is definitely not the way to be successful on the brand. A bigger push for news there. Two smaller things to talk about. We have got a very good sports business, but it's mainly athleisure, parts of range, people like Nike, Adidas. We have performance items, but we really want to push the performance element to offer our customers more performance sports products.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So we're adding brands like On Running this season, Hocker next season, we've got a dedicated part of the website. This product is available generally on the website. Also if you want performance sports, there's a dedicated sports club part of the website where we're grouping together all the performance sports there. We think that's a good opportunity for us in the longer term. And sort of an acorn, and this is an acorn, don't expect anything big from this.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

But this is the type of this is the way that NEXT grows. We don't ever spend vast amounts of money building new businesses. We start with small experiments that take us into new markets. And Seasons is a point in case. This is selling high top end of the premium market, and luxury goods.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

It's small business, but we are beginning to get traction on our website. It's a separate website from Next. What we are able to do is advertise those products or those brands on our website or to our customer base of 10,000,000 customers and, move them across the Seasons website. So it's a slow burn business. Don't expect me to talk about it again for another five years, but, it's just an example of how we sort of plant a seed, that may or may not be, a big business at some point in the future.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of the wholly owned brands and licenses, this is, in many ways, the most exciting part of the business. Wholly owned brands and licenses grew by nearly 100% overseas. They fall into two categories, just to remind you. Wholly owned brands is where we either buy a brand like MAID or Cath Kidson, that administration and find a team to run it, or where we start a new brand internally, like Love and Roses and friends like these. Brands you won't really hear of every day, something like Love and Roses, both those businesses taking nearly GBP 100,000,000, so good, small niche brands.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

On the other side, licenses, this is where we take great brands who have got, let's say, great adult clothing range, but want to do children's wear or want to produce furniture. We use our sourcing expertise and our products, our skills at buying those products, quality standards and all the rest of it, in order to provide ranges for them, for those brands that fulfill the ethos and look and feel of the brand, but give them exposure to different categories. And the way that works is that we buy the stock and pay them royalties. It's pretty much full margin, less the royalty. In terms of where those brands fit relative to next, you all have seen these graphs, these bubble graphs.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We're not great fans of them. But if you say next, sit somewhere sort of towards the more expensive and more fashionable end of the general market. Center next on that grid and show where all the brands and licenses that we have sit relative to the next brand in terms of price and fashion. What you can see is that the weight of the brands is more fashionable slightly more fashionable in terms of weight, but definitely more expensive. So in terms of cash, 55% of them, for example, will be more expensive, 20% will be more than 25% more expensive than next.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And we think this is a good thing for two reasons. First of all, we think that it makes our website a more aspirational place to shop, potentially attracting new customers to the website. But as importantly, if not more importantly, attracting more brands to the website. We think it makes it a more attractive place for brands that want to go to an aggregator to come to next. And the other important point is that, of course, the higher the price point, generally, the better the economics.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Because unit costs of shifting a £50.60 pounds T shirt are not much different from the unit costs of shifting a five pounds T shirt. So you think it's economically, more advantageous. And you might look at that and think that the way that we've built this business is through very clever people in the boardroom coming up with a grid and Post it notes and circles and having some sort of digital representation of it with market research. And nothing could be further from the truth. Two reasons: one is we don't have clever people in the boardroom.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So I obviously exclude the honest effect of lectures who are here today. The other is it's just not how the real world works. It's not how you create great brands for consumers through sort of market research. The way that these businesses have been built is really simple and opportunistic, and it's basically about finding great people where we've got new brands. It's about finding brilliant people to drive those brands.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And that is a truth that we know from our own business. At the end of the day, the best product is driven by the best people, and that's as true of the brands that we the new brands that we're starting and the ones that we buy in as it is our own brand. And with licenses, it's about partnering with brilliant licenses. Licenses that can genuinely bring something different to the table, whether that be their print archive or the people that they currently or their point of view. It's about having something that is genuinely great for the consumer that we can translate into product that those licenses couldn't produce for themselves, whether they're big existing businesses that might want to go to children's wear like Superdry and Allsaints, or whether they're very small businesses like Rocket St George, that is a very small business that just hasn't got the capacity to produce everything from a side table to dress.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And the aim is to create a brilliant place, an environment, a brilliant place across all next, wobble and Third Projects, a brilliant place for product people to create great ranges. But if you were someone thinking I could go off and start my own brand, actually, doing it at Next, you've got all the resources of the business there We've got our systems, access to our sourcing base, all of the tech that we have around producing quality support if you want that. It's a great place to produce fashion. And of course, the other big advantage is that instantly overnight, you get access to our consumer platform as well. So warehousing, distribution, our UK website, international website, access to our international our network of international aggregators, our online marketing, all the technology that sits behind our website, don't have to develop yourself.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And, of course, the cash that we're generating that can fund these businesses. So that is the objective. There is, however, and it's very important that we're conscious of this, a risk in this. And we call this the sort of Play Doh or Plastathine risk. And, you know, those of you who like me have young kids, a five year old you know, Play Doh is beautiful stuff when you buy it.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

It's like smells delicious. It's squidgy and soft. It has these vibrant colors, and that's how it looks on day one. And after two and a half weeks, it's basically a crusty pile of brown stuff. And it's all merged into one.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And the risk of, you know, all sort of retail conglomerates, I think, is that they end up all the brands and products end up looking exactly the same. And we're acute I can't guarantee that will always happen, but we are acutely aware of that risk and work very hard to prevent it. And three things are central to that. First of all, it's all bought by separate teams. We don't say, the next blouse buyer, go away and buy a Love and Roses blouse and then buy a little cat kit and blouse.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Those are bought either by dedicated licensing teams that are responsible for individual licenses or by completely separate teams in the case of Love and Roses, where it's their own team and often in a different location, not necessarily in NDB either. All the brands this is a mistake we made when we first started these brands actually they all assumed. We didn't say anything. Was like a Ouija board, it just happened. One ever thought somebody else was moving the glass.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We don't insist that they all conform to NeXT's quality standards or fit standards, because if they did, their product would end up looking like NeXT. Of course, it has to be merchantable quality, but they don't have to have the same rub test or sofas don't have to have the same durability, if they're high end sofas because they're not going to be used as much. So it stands for those individual brands to come up with their own standards, It has to be merchantable quality, has to be a product that we are proud of, but it doesn't have to conform to NEXT standards. What it does have to do, obviously, is it has to conform to all of our ethical trading standards. We don't want to be caught out by a brand that uses a factory that we wouldn't use as a group.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

The other really important thing is that we then share data between the teams. When we started, they used to all get each other's data. The first thing they did was look at each other's bestsellers. And of course, after eighteen months, what we end up with, every brand came up with its version of the other brand's bestsellers. So it's quite important to keep data division between the teams and not think, oh, this is a wonderful opportunity to leverage our data, which is temptation you start with.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of the parts of the business support now, just want to focus on three. A quick return to the warehouse, this new ENSEL three warehouse, just so you know how it's going. Capacity is up and running. It's delivering more than a 40% increase in capacity, on where we were two years ago. The cost savings that we were expecting from the warehouse

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In fact, slightly ahead of where we expected them to be. It's worth just sort of looking at that in terms of long term, sort of trends in cost per unit. This is cost per unit in real terms, so adjusting for inflation and wages. And you can see that sort of since 2022, we have achieved a marked improvement in productivity in our warehouses, firstly through new sortation equipment that we introduced in 2022, then through just having the additional space from LSAT three and this season, through the ramping up of the mechanization and moving to more efficient automated pitting within the warehouses. We think we've got further to go on that as well.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

It is not quite as good as it looks because, obviously, wages have gone up faster than we could become more productive, but not a lot faster than the average selling prices would have gone up across the group. In terms of service, this is an amber tick, so sort of good news and bad news here. In short, the good news is that we are delivering better service than last year. Last year, this was what we call the notice rate, the orders not delivered on time and in full, and it's not quite as bad as it looks. The vast majority of these are where customer orders average number of items, say four or five items, and the fifth one doesn't turn up next day, it turns up the day after.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So it's not a catastrophe, towards the back end of last year, that was not a good place to be. As we've started to fire up the new mechanization, we have, really since April, started to achieve much better service levels, but they are still not where we want them to be at 5%. The main reason for that has been the teething problems we've had integrating the new third party warehouse control systems. These are the systems that actually control the cranes, not our software. We have the warehouse management system, integration.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

You will always expect teething problems, but they have been slightly more challenging than expected. We're not concerned by that. It's a question of time. We think we'll be at around 6% by the end of I'm going say we're concerned about that. Obviously, I'm jumping up and down in one way, but we do think that this is not structural.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Problems, as we've gone along, are being solved, and we'll be at 6% by the end of the year, and we should get to 5% at some point in the first half of next year. In terms of international websites, who can forget this table? Whenever I bring this table up, my colleagues groan because they think, oh, you're just showing masses of data and it's hard to read. This is a really important table. It's in your pack, so you can look at it at leisure.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

But basically, what this sums up is, in Jan twenty five, at the beginning of this year, how many services we had in how many of the countries that we operate. So for example, we operated and still operate in around 83 countries. We only had customers currently paying local currency in 56 of those countries at the beginning of the year. We've worked really hard over the last six months to improve that, and you can see that now all countries trade in their own currency. And you can see that pretty much every service, we've increased our coverage.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Parcel shop is the only one that we haven't cracked yet, we're really waiting for the Zios transition to be complete before we move our systems teams onto that because we thought it was more important to prioritize the ZS transition than parcel shunts. And marketing spend is the other one where it's more than 5% of sales. In some ways, that's encouraging because it shows how much more potential we've got in terms of increasing our marketing spend. In terms of that, what that means in terms of the this is what the countries we serve are as a percentage of the total clothing market in those countries. And you can see on local currency, we've gone from 70% of the potential market to 100% of the potential market of the countries we serve.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

There's still a way to go, and the numbers aren't quite as good So for example, on that top line, local currency, although we weren't serving 30% of the market with local currency, actually, in January 2022, that only represented 0.2% of our sales. So what we've, in effect, done is we spent a long time investing in functionality and services in markets where we weren't taking a lot of money. And you could say that sounds like a bit of waste of time, but it hasn't been hugely expensive. And there is a chicken and egg issue here.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

If you don't invest in a website that has local currency and local language registration, how on earth can you expect to grow the business? So you'll never really know the potential of the countries that you haven't got traction until you do all of this. And the work we've done here is what explains the traction we're getting in that rest of world segment that I showed you earlier on, the 28% growth we're getting there. And just to give you one example of that, just to sort of give a bit of color on this. In Japan, we were marketing in Japan.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We spent a little bit of money on marketing in Japan, springsummer twenty twenty four, but we were only getting £1.19 back for every pound we spent. That's not nearly enough. We need to get £1.5 to really justify spending a lot of money on marketing. In the interim period, we've got local language registration. We've optimized our product listing page, which means that it's much more appropriate to local markets.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We've got local sizing conventions, which means, for example, we very sensible idea this actually. In Japan, they do sizing by the height children sizing by the height of children in centimeters rather than age, which is actually, I think since when, we've switched to those local sizing conventions. And we've improved conversion rate on the website as a result of that by around 6%. We've also made sure that we're paying the proper duty and getting the product into the country effectively, which is no mean feat. And we've increased our prices slightly.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

That's moved margin forward by 12%. Net margin has moved forward by 12% on that website. It was sub-six percent, and now it's in the mid teens. What that means is that our marketing has gone from 119% to 170. And as a result of the marketing activity, which has only really just started, sales were up 20% so far.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So it's a good example of that sort of chicken and egg. You get the fundamentals right, increase the profitability of the website, then you can afford the marketing and then you get the growth. In terms of marketing, not a lot to say here, other than overseas, we've increased by 57%. That number in itself is not that remarkable. What is really remarkable is the fact that our returns have not only not eroded, they've edged forward very slightly.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We think that is all about mainly about all the improvements in functionality and everything we've done to improve conversion rate on the overseas website and the product that we've added to those websites, particularly our own Wobble product. But it's also about the ad technology that we're getting better at using our existing main suppliers. The big people like Meta and Google are getting better at using them overseas. We're forging new regional partner, media partnerships in countries where, the big players in The UK are not necessarily don't have as much of the market as they do in other countries, and we're beginning to invest the time, the amount in human resource and people to start marketing do marketing programs in the smaller countries in which we operate. So when you pull all that together, we've got four things, and these are not exclusive, but they're driving growth.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think what's interesting about this is that is that marketing piece because what you need to realize is, yes, you know, better product, of course, better warehouses and all the other services we wrap around that call center or the website functionality, all of those things do drive sales. But because they drive sales, they also reinforce marketing and they allow us to spend more on marketing because if the customer is more likely to buy when they get to the website, you can spend more money to get them there. The final thing I want to talk about is cost control. You'll have gathered from the frequency with which we micromanage the allocation between our brands and Next and all the things we do to manage profitability that we are obsessed with profitability. And people often think that that is just about when I say just about, it's very important they think it's just about capital allocation and shareholder returns and de risking the business through having adequate margins.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And it is about all of those things. But it's also about growth because if we can control our costs and make sure that every transaction that we undertake is profitable, that means that we can afford to spend the money driving the part of the business that is growing fastest. And our control of costs and understanding of the profitability of every element of our business is one of the things that has done most to enable the marketing that is pushing growth forward. So whereas and in this respect, and only this respect, our finance teams are heroes. You don't often hear that in the fashion retail business, but it's true that the work we do on profitability, is as important as all the other things.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think what also becomes apparent when you look at these things is that none of them on their own are enough. And, you know, if you want to sort of look at next, and occasionally, people sort of terrify me by talking you know, using the phrase well oiled machine and all that sort of stuff. There's no well oiled machine. There's no moats. There's no USP.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

There's nothing that can't be copied or done by others. Success for us and the risk and the opportunity is all about execution. It's all about all of these areas being good. There's no good having great product ranges if you can't get them out of your warehouse. There's no good having great warehouses if your website doesn't work.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So every single area of the business has to, execute brilliantly. And if it does, it's mutually reinforcing. And if it if you don't, it is mutually undermining. So if you want to sort of look at next and look at the risks and downsides, the risks and downsides are all about execution. I think what has changed and by the way, opportunities.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think what has changed from ten years ago all of these risks were there ten years ago, exactly the same. What has changed about the business is that whereas ten years ago, the runway our runway for growth was really constrained by our core brand in our core market. The difference between then and now is that the opportunity for growth outside of that core market has opened up both in terms of the products we can develop and sell on our websites, the non Nex brand we can sell, and in terms of the countries that we can develop in. So in report, we've said we recognize the challenges of The UK economy and the challenges of executing well. But on balance, we think that the opportunities outweigh any of those threats.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And on that uncharacteristically optimistic note, we'll go to questions. And I've been told to remind you that in this wonderful high-tech auditorium, you have microphones there, so you don't have to have people running to you. You pick them up apparently and press the button, and not only can we all hear you, but it will be recorded for the transcript as well, so you'll be famous. So over to questions. Well, thank you very much. Warwick?

Warwick Okines
Warwick Okines
Equity Analyst at BNP Paribas

Thanks. Good morning, Simon. Warrick Opens from BNP Paribas. Two questions, please.

Warwick Okines
Warwick Okines
Equity Analyst at BNP Paribas

Is the opportunity to develop the Wobble brands a bigger opportunity than signing more total platform customers?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And should we sort of think of that as bigger opportunity? I think as it stands today, yes. I think the thing about total platform is that it's sort of it's the difference between macro fishing and whale fishing. The total platform won't make a difference, but we make a big deal, and that's going be pretty binary.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So in the year that we do a big deal, and as and when we do them, that will make a bigger much bigger difference. I think Wobble is a much more reliable and steady source of growth than total platform, which is likely to be sporadic.

Warwick Okines
Warwick Okines
Equity Analyst at BNP Paribas

Thank you. And secondly, you talked about still an opportunity to improve the delivery service out of Amsoil? Is that a sales opportunity for 2026? Or is it just about cost efficiency?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think there is a cost element to it. Obviously, you're delivering the fifth item separately, you've got the extra parcels, there is definitely a cost element to it. I don't think it's an immediate sales opportunity in a way that putting a brilliant range or not brilliant range is an opportunity and threat. I think it is about the slow and steady establishment of brilliant service, and I think that that takes years to deliver.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So yes, it is a sales opportunity, but I don't think you should be building into your wonderful models x percent for warehouse improvements in terms of sales opportunities because I think it's much longer term great services and longer term opportunity to acquire and retain customers rather than immediate fill up to sales.

Warwick Okines
Warwick Okines
Equity Analyst at BNP Paribas

Thanks, Adam.

Adam Cochrane
Adam Cochrane
Equity Research Analyst - General Retail & Luxury at Deutsche Bank

It's Adam Cockrell from Deutsche

Adam Cochrane
Adam Cochrane
Equity Research Analyst - General Retail & Luxury at Deutsche Bank

Bank. There's been a lot of chat about business rates, being changed in The UK, particularly with regards to larger stores. Would this be, of impact, do you think, to any of your larger stores? And would it change any way you look at them?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Yes. We very rarely have the opportunity to take larger stores. Yes, the answer is yes, it would, but it's unlikely to be the defining characteristic on the appraisal. Just to sort of by way of background, we estimate that the net effect of the changes on rates overall will be GBP 5,000,000 more costs in warehousing, 3,000,000 less costs in retail. I think you're right,

Adam Cochrane
Adam Cochrane
Equity Research Analyst - General Retail & Luxury at Deutsche Bank

million. So it's a small number, depending on what Rachel Reeves does in the budget. But I think if you take the mid case, we think it's only about 2,000,000.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Yes.

William Woods
Senior Analyst - EU Food Retail at AB Bernstein

That's right. Thanks.

Adam Cochrane
Adam Cochrane
Equity Research Analyst - General Retail & Luxury at Deutsche Bank

And then a few years ago, we talked about increasing the number of brands items online as being a real competitive advantage. You're now talking about sometimes removing or at least trying to change high volume items. What's the overall outlook in terms of number of lines, brands, etcetera, that you're offering online and compared to where you would like to be or where you were? That whole like to be thing,

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

and that suggests that the business is somehow the result of my will, which mercifully for you, isn't. We will add lines as and when we can see they're incremental and profitable, take them off when we think they're duplicative and unprofitable. I think what is likely to happen is that you will see an increase in the amount of wholly owned brands and licenses on the website. I think in the short term, we will continue with focusing on getting the best of our bigger brands rather than new brands on the website. There will be some new brands, but those new brands will be limited to the areas we're talking about, performance sportswear sort of luxury brands on the seasons website.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So I wouldn't want to make a prediction as to what the balance of those effects are going to be.

William Woods
Senior Analyst - EU Food Retail at AB Bernstein

Good morning. William Woods from Bernstein. The first one is just on the brand mix that you've been experiencing. So you've got positive momentum with higher ASPs versus like for like pricing. Excluding seasons, how do you see that brand elevation or the increase in ASPs going forward? And do you think you've highlighted the Play Doh risk in brand the number of brands? Do you think there's also a risk in terms of average pricing that you're putting forward to your customers?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Well, again, I think, first of all, be very careful with word momentum. In my experience, there's very little momentum in retail. And I don't think we are getting momentum on average selling price going up. It suggests something that we're pushing is going faster and faster as we push it harder and harder. This is very much a pull.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

This is what the customer is choosing to buy. And way that we build our ranges isn't by deciding what we want our customers to buy. It is our job is to guess what they will themselves want. We don't make them want it. So who knows which way that that trend is going to go?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

All I can say at the moment is that it appears to me that the most exciting products we're looking at are the slightly more expensive ones to make. So I think that I can't see any change in that trend, but it will change at some point as these things wax and wane.

William Woods
Senior Analyst - EU Food Retail at AB Bernstein

Great. And then the second question is just on international. I think in the report, you mentioned the opportunity to expand breadth and availability in international to support that growth. Can you give us an idea of what that looks like and what you're doing at the moment? Is it categories, SKU count, size availability, color availability, things like that? In

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

terms of availability, by far, the most important thing we're doing actually is in our aggregation business in Europe, with the transition to Zios. And this is where we're moving the warehousing of our own direct websites into Zalando, which means that there's a shared stock pool. And what that means is that both our websites and their websites will have access to a bigger pool of stock, and we think that will increase availability for the aggregator. Will be less of a market effect for NeXT because we always drew on our UK warehouse where the European hub didn't have a stock available. So actually, the way the customer will experience it on our website will be about more things arriving sooner in one parcel than coming in two parcels.

Richard Chamberlain
Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Richard Chamberlain, RBC. A couple for me, please. First one is on sourcing. Simon, I wondered what was the current percentage of sourcing done in U. S.

Richard Chamberlain
Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Dollars and how are you thinking about potential to reinvest those gains into next year? Are you thinking that's a good opportunity to, for instance, improve quality style and so on of the offer next year?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And the second one?

Richard Chamberlain
Richard Chamberlain
Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Second one is on, international, rest of world. You gave Japan, as an example, talking about some kids wear and so on. But is it still the case that rest of world is seeing a sort of broadening out, more into women's and men's now in terms of the what's actually driving the growth of that segment? Thank you.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Yes. Okay. Good question. So the in terms of broadening, we're seeing that across the board, just in Rest of World. We're seeing the parts of our range we sold the least are growing the fastest.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So in territories where we were selling mainly children's wear, we're seeing men's and women's growing fastest. And and that trend continues, just in the rest of the world, but in all the other territories, pretty much all the territories in which we're selling. In terms of sourcing and dollar gain, I think so most of the stock we buy is dollar denominated. I'm going to guess around 80%. What was your A bit higher.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

A bit higher. Lower. Anyone else? Please. From the bank.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So yes, it's a lot. I think you've got to be very careful about assuming that an improvement in the dollar rate translates straight into an improvement in the factory gate price because a lot of the costs are in local currency. And so if the dollar weakens as a result, if it's dollar weakness, then actually you don't get very many gains. If it's pound strength, then that's the only time you really get that translates through factory grade prices. But in answer to your broad question, our aim is that where we get increases in costs or decreases in costs in the goods and the input cost of goods, we pass that straight through to the consumer.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We did increase our bought in gross margin very slightly this year because the NIC increased. But generally, our view is pass it through to the consumer. And here, I wouldn't want you to think, again, that it's clever people in the boardroom going, oh, we'll put that into quality or we'll put that into price or we'll go higher end, lower end. It because that's not our decision. The person will decide whether it the shoe buyer or the blouse buyer, and they will decide, do I slightly upgrade the fabric?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Do I put a better print in? Do I lower my price? It is all done at buyer level rather than boardroom level. So I wouldn't want to give you a steer as to how any gains we get are invested. My guess is that, you know, if we see at the moment what those gains are being invested in is better quality, better, you know, better designs, better prints.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Whether that's the same next year will depend on hundreds of people who work at my business.

Sreedhar Mahamkali
Sreedhar Mahamkali
Managing Director at UBS Group

Thank you.

Sreedhar Mahamkali
Sreedhar Mahamkali
Managing Director at UBS Group

Sreedhar Ramam Kali from UBS. A couple of questions. Firstly, I think you've pointed to international marketing returns being extremely strong. If they're as strong as they are, why wouldn't it grow another 50% in the second half? Why only 25%? And the second one, you've talked about potentially or if you minded to potentially change The UK sort of return on stores, payback periods or heading in that direction at least anyway, what does that mean for for buybacks of both capital allocation decisions?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

It doesn't mean anything for on buybacks, obviously. At 8%, you know, changing the because, I mean, stores are only the retail business is only 20% of our business, and the retail new space might account for 1%, if we're lucky, of retail sales. For us to change our ERR as a result of that, it wouldn't make sense. I think the important thing is that every investment decision we make, we're balancing two things: risk on the one hand versus return on the other. I think the point I was making about the stores is if we are able to de risk the stores in one way or another, either through higher loan profitability or more flexible rents, then we will consider moving the payback out.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

But it won't affect our IRR. And in terms of marketing, it might I'm not going to rule out it growing I think very unlikely it should go by 57% because I think a lot of the gains we got were about these website improvements where we've already annualized some of them, versus last year. So I think it's very unlikely to be as high as 57%. Whether it's more than 25% will depend entirely on how we trade.

Georgina Johanan
Georgina Johanan
Research Analyst at JP Morgan

Hi. It's Georgina Donan from JPMorgan. Just two really quick ones, please. Just first of all, in terms of the, pressures obviously being faced by Marks and Spencer's in the first half. Just wondering if there was any learnings from that for you really in terms of the customers that you are acquiring.

Georgina Johanan
Georgina Johanan
Research Analyst at JP Morgan

Could you sort of leverage that in some way going forward? And then second one, please, was just obviously, you have a sort of lot of data presumably on customers by income demographic given the debt to book. And just wondering if you could talk a little bit about how the different income demographics, were performing in the half across your sales base, please? Thank you.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Yes. The answer is we don't have income data about our customers because we relatively light credit score, so we don't do there are a small number who are on the edge who do affordability checks on, but the vast majority, we don't know what our customers are. And so I wouldn't want to give you any data on that. And in terms of lessons from we don't know which customers have customers when they come to us don't say, oh, I'm coming to you because I can't go on somebody else's website. So in all honesty, there isn't there aren't any lessons that we have learned that I would be willing to share.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And in truth, there aren't I don't think there are any that I know of.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

Andrew Hollingsworth from Holland Advisors. Can just ask a couple of clarification questions from questions that have come up before? So just on your Follow the Money

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Just properly. Fair enough. No, I'll take the criticism.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

Let's see.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

On your Follow the Money commentary this morning, which I think is sort of obviously very sensible way to go about things, The gentleman in front of me asked about the sort of wobble situation. Could you just talk about whether or not the success of the business overseas gives you more confidence in terms of wanting to commit capital to buy more brands, to innovate more brands internally and so on? I'm not expecting you to tell me what you're going to buy. Just yes is a perfectly acceptable answer or no because is another answer. The answer is no.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think so. I mean, in reality, when you're looking at investing in a new brand or a new team or buying something, we're mainly looking at what the business currently does rather than what we think we can do with it because that is the only those are the returns that we look at most carefully. In terms of the upside, are we thinking overseas U. K? We're just thinking total online.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

The more we take online, the more the upside is there. So indirectly, yes. But we're not thinking, oh, this would be a brilliant band to sell in Japan or Saudi Arabia, so let's go buy it because we would make a lot of mistakes that way.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

Okay. Fair enough. And then on the international marketing question, is there I get that it's sort of sector orientated. Is there any reason why in three years' time from now, having done everything you've done overseas, that we couldn't be spending multiples of what we're spending today? And it feels like the world's a big place. It feels like the people you use for your marketing spend would be delighted if you'd spend 3x as much.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

Could you just tell us why that might not happen? Is there a limitation that I can't foresee?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think it's all down to execution. You know, we will only be able to spend more money on marketing if we continue to improve our websites, we continue to see depending on well, a lot will depend on convergence of global fashions, whether that continues at the pace we think it's happening at the moment. So it comes down to internal factors, product ranges, execution and service and external factors, and it's the speed at which global fashion trends converge. And some of it's also, you know, third parties' willingness to, trade with us.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

But if you keep getting returns you're getting, you'd be happy to spend significantly more in the in the way that you have done in the first half?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We're not capital constrained. The reality is we're talking about we're returning £350,000,000 this year in one way or another that we can't another sort of over and above the 111,000,000 we've already spent by way of returns. So we are not capital constrained. As a business, we will if something makes money, we will just carry on investing in it.

Andrew Hollingworth
Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors

You very much.

Geoff Lowery
Geoff Lowery
MD - Retail & Sporting Goods Analyst at Rothschild & Co Redburn

Hi. Geoff Lowry, Rothschild and Co, Redburn. Could you help us understand a little bit more about the behavior of your customers in The UK who have a credit account? I'm not really talking about this half year, more this broad sweep of you continue to have customers with an account, but they seem to spend more with you, but they're less reliant on your provision of credit to them than they were. So what sort of triangulates all of this for us?

Geoff Lowery
Geoff Lowery
MD - Retail & Sporting Goods Analyst at Rothschild & Co Redburn

And is that growth in credit customers a function of converting ones who were cash? Or is there something going on beneath the surface that we can't see in terms of the overall profile?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Thank you. That's a good question. So I think, first of the vast majority of credit customers are not first time customers. So it's a question of converting cash customers into credit customers.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of behavior, what we're seeing is in terms of delinquency and default rates, I think a lot of that is about how more and more credit is being joined up. You know, that if you default on your £100 debt to next, you might not be able to get a mortgage. So I think that is what's driving a sort of consistent reduction in debt rates. And I think also a lot of customers who are switching from some of the customers are switching from cash. I think more of them and I haven't got numbers for this, but I think more of them are just using it as a try and buy facility rather than a proper credit facility. You've to press the button apparently.

Analyst

Morning. Mandy Tussaud from Citi. Just one. When we toured your warehouse, you talked about potentially offering the spare capacity to other brands, Zalando Esquive. Obviously, now you have maybe more capacity from shifting your stock to Zalando, but then you also talked about improving the performance and reliance of the brand. Is that still an opportunity?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Yes, I think so. It will depend on and we are talking to a number of people about that. So there's an ongoing discussion. It's not a huge margin business, so I don't think it's going to it's not so it won't be as it won't generate as much pounds profit as total platform, but it is a profitable business, and we're still talking to a number of people about offering that service.

David Hughes
David Hughes
Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital

David Cheese at Shaw Capital. A couple of questions from me. First of all, on pricing and the broadened margin, obviously, you've increased that a little bit to offset some of the higher costs. Did you see any kind of customer reaction to this? And if there is a further increased cost either through the Employment's Rights bill or for the amount of the minimum wage increase

David Hughes
David Hughes
Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital

Do you think there's more that you can do there to offset that cost? And then secondly, just on international, alongside the improvements you're making in the 83 countries, do you have any significant plans to expand that to cover kind of even more of the globe?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

In terms of more of the globe, not really. The the countries that we're the big countries that we're not in, either, you know, Russia, either there are, you know, political reasons for not trading there or the market is just not ready. So I'm not expecting number 83 number to change dramatically. In terms of pricing, it's very difficult to see a response to a 1% increase in price. So the honest answer is we don't know what their response to that was.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

Don't think there was any if you asked my gut feeling, I don't think there was any response because the 1% is still significantly less than consumer than wages are going up by. So actually, in sort of share of wallet terms, that 1% increase is again for customers whose wages on the whole are going up by 3%, slightly more than that. So I think it's been a problem. And then in terms of our ability to pass on, I'm often asked about what's your ability to pass on the price. And the answer is that we print the tickets.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

We print the price tickets. So our ability we've always got the ability to do that. And our view is that you have to do it. You have to maintain the profitability of the business because if you don't, when you look at the what would I have to gain by way of sales in order to sacrifice, to make back the margin I'm sacrificing, the answer always comes back don't do it. And so our view is that where we get better prices from our manufacturers, we pass those through.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And we've done that consistently for the last twenty years, if in real terms, the price of clothing, generally not just at mix, has come down. We're getting better quality for less money. But where your costs go up, you have to cover them, regardless of whether they have an adverse impact on your sales or not, because it's more important to maintain the profitability of the business for all the reasons that we discussed than it is to maintain your top line.

Anubhav Malhotra
Equity Research Analyst at Panmure Liberum

Anubhav Malhotra from Panmure Liberum. Couple of questions from me, please. Firstly, I would like to understand how the mix of the third party brands you sell between wholesale and commission developing? And are you still making a concerted effort to move more into commission? And maybe the reverse of that as well, when NEX sells on international aggregator platforms, are you doing that mostly on commission basis or on wholesale basis?

Anubhav Malhotra
Equity Research Analyst at Panmure Liberum

And my second question is about That was two questions.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I have three now.

Anubhav Malhotra
Equity Research Analyst at Panmure Liberum

Alright. Sorry. The third one then is when you think about developing products and you talked about developing what the customer actually wants. And then I'm looking at the lead times that you mentioned and those increasing now, you're trying to you are having twenty six weeks of cover almost. How do you balance those two requirements?

Anubhav Malhotra
Equity Research Analyst at Panmure Liberum

Because fashion I mean, you don't want to probably get into fast fashion, but the fashion needs constantly evolve very, very quickly. Are you looking at more near term sourcing?

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

I think it's about so in terms of the last point, is a really important one, that, and by the way, twenty six weeks of cover doesn't necessarily mean twenty six weeks of lead time. The continuity product will have much longer weeks of cover. There are products we can react to faster. And we are developing new sources of supply closer to home, which are giving us much faster lead times. We're our presence in Morocco at the moment.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

So I wouldn't want you to think that that increase of that all in stock early means that we're not pushing to develop product faster. But our universal experience is that it's not the time taken to make the garment that determines whether or not you capture trends. It's the speed at which you go from seeing the trends to executing it with authority and a high quality And that's where we focus that is where we're focusing all of our time. And the whole thing about developing fabrics earlier, because there are fabric trends that emerged before garment trends, that is critical, to that process. In terms of aggregator, pretty much all of the business we do with aggregators is on commission.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

And then in terms of wholesale versus commission, we're much more agnostic about that than we used to be. So we're not there was a point at which we were encouraging wholesale to move to commission. We're not really doing that anymore. We'll go whichever way the brand goes. And in terms of growth, we're not seeing significant difference in growth between the two.

Simon Wolfson
Simon Wolfson
CEO & Director at NEXT

If anything, the improved focus we've got on buying the right quantities of brands and getting and backing newness obviously benefits wholesale more than it does commission. So, you know, that that that the the big push has benefited wholesale more than commission. Pleasure. And on that exciting note, we'll finish. Thank you very much, everyone. Have a good

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Executives
    • Simon Wolfson
      Simon Wolfson
      CEO & Director
Analysts
    • Executive
    • Warwick Okines
      Equity Analyst at BNP Paribas
    • Adam Cochrane
      Equity Research Analyst - General Retail & Luxury at Deutsche Bank
    • William Woods
      Senior Analyst - EU Food Retail at AB Bernstein
    • Richard Chamberlain
      Equity Analyst at RBC Capital Markets
    • Sreedhar Mahamkali
      Managing Director at UBS Group
    • Georgina Johanan
      Research Analyst at JP Morgan
    • Andrew Hollingworth
      Founder and Portfolio Manager at Holland Advisors
    • Geoff Lowery
      MD - Retail & Sporting Goods Analyst at Rothschild & Co Redburn
    • Analyst
    • David Hughes
      Equity Research Analyst at Shore Capital
    • Anubhav Malhotra
      Equity Research Analyst at Panmure Liberum