NorthWest Health Prop Real Est Inv Trust Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Portfolio performed well in 2025 with same-property NOI up ~3.1% for the year, year-end occupancy at 96.4%, weighted average lease term over 12 years, and AFFO per unit of $0.42 (up ~8–9%) with payout ratio down to ~85–86%.
  • Positive Sentiment: Material balance sheet improvement: management executed >CAD 500M of dispositions, proportionate leverage fell ~600 bps to ~52.4%, weighted average interest rate declined ~78 bps to 4.71%, and available liquidity is ~CAD 465.5 million with >90% of debt fixed.
  • Positive Sentiment: Simplification push accelerated — fully exited the U.K., internalized Vital in New Zealand, and agreed to sell 33 European properties to TPG for EUR 400 million, with proceeds earmarked to further delever and simplify the platform.
  • Positive Sentiment: Refocused growth in North America: committed to a CAD 112M build-to‑suit 120,000 sq ft health services development (hospital‑leased) and agreed to acquire a CAD 49M Ottawa transitional care facility, with a Canadian outpatient pipeline the company estimates at roughly CAD 0.5–1.0B of opportunities.
  • Negative Sentiment: Ongoing uncertainty around Australian tenant Healthscope — tenant remains current on rent but receivers rejected the REIT’s preferred Calvary transaction and may convert operations to a not‑for‑profit structure, leaving unresolved operational and disclosure risk.
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NorthWest Health Prop Real Est Inv Trust Q4 2025
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Operator

Welcome to the NorthWest Healthcare Properties REIT Q4 and year-end 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star, then zero for an operator. This call is being recorded today, Wednesday, February 25th, 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alyssa Barry, Investor Relations for NorthWest. Please go ahead.

Alyssa Barry
Alyssa Barry
Director of Investor Relations at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to NorthWest's fourth quarter and year-end 2025 conference call. Thank you for joining us today. This call is being recorded, and a replay will be made available on our website at www.nwhreit.com. Today's discussion includes forward-looking statements. As always, we want to caution you that such statements are based on management's assumptions and beliefs. These forward-looking statements are subject to uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Please see our public filings on SEDAR+, including our MD&A and Annual Information Form, for a discussion of these risk factors. During this call, we will also discuss non-IFRS financial measures and a reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable IFRS financial measures, which are available in our MD&A and earnings release.

Alyssa Barry
Alyssa Barry
Director of Investor Relations at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Please note that all currencies referenced today are in Canadian dollars, unless otherwise stated. Presenting on today's call are Zach Vaughan, our CEO, and Stephanie Karamarkovic, our CFO. Mike Brady, our President, and Tracey Whittall, our COO, are also present and available for the question-and-answer session. With that, I'll now turn it over to Zach for his opening remarks.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Well, thanks, Alyssa. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today as we discuss our Q4 and our 2025 results. It's been a very busy quarter and a busy year for our business. During 2025, we've been focused on four key areas: one, performance in our existing portfolio; two, our balance sheet and liquidity; three, simplifying our business; and four, future growth. I'm happy to say that with what we accomplished in Q4 and throughout 2025, we've advanced progress across all these four key areas. Starting with performance in our portfolio. Operationally, our portfolio did what it should. It delivered stable and growing cash flows.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Stephanie's going to touch more on the specific details in a second, but overall, the results were strong, and property NOI for the year grew by over 3%, with positive contributions from all regions, and we finished 2025 with an occupancy of over 96% and a weighted average lease term of over 12 years. Our AFFO per unit increased about 9% this year, and our payout ratio has come down to around 85% for 2025. Turning to the balance sheet and liquidity, during 2025, we executed over CAD half a billion dollars of asset sales across 3 regions, including fully exiting the U.K. and completing the internalization of Vital in New Zealand. The proceeds were used primarily to deleverage.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

During 2025, our proportionate leverage fell by about 600 basis points, and our weighted average interest rate fell by about 80 basis points, which is materially improving our cost of capital. We also suspended our DRIP and put in place an NCIB. As it relates to liquidity, at the end of the year, our available liquidity is over CAD 450 million, which is a terrific position. That gives us a lot of flexibility going forward. In terms of simplification, this is critical to our future success. You know, I've seen through my career that complexity rarely pays off and simplicity sells, particularly as it relates to real estate. Our plan over time is to focus on our home markets. This year we made some progress towards this goal.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We fully exited the U.K., we streamlined Australia and New Zealand. After the year-end, we reached an agreement to sell a substantial portion of our holdings in Europe in a EUR 400 million transaction, advancing our goals to eventually exit the region. Now, these steps, taken together, are going to help shrink our footprint, which is going to reduce complexity and costs over time, and also free up capital to recycle back here. In terms of growth, given all the work the teams put in, this year and last year, we're now fortunately in a position to start looking ahead. You know, something surprising I learned was that it's been about eight years since the REIT has completed an acquisition here in Canada, our home market.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

That ended in Q4, where we committed to acquire a 157-bed transitional care facility in Ottawa. The asset's adjacent to The Ottawa Hospital's main campus and is leased by them on a long-term basis. In addition to this asset being a key piece of the hospital's healthcare delivery plan, this investment should lead to further opportunities to partner with them as they continue to grow. In addition to acquisitions, we plan to be the partner of choice in Canada as hospitals and health systems increase the type of procedures and care that they provide in outpatient settings. The positive results of this shift are demonstrated by the success of the ambulatory surgery center we delivered about 24 months ago in partnership with Lakeridge Health.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Since opening, that facility has supported about 20,000 surgeries to improve the hospital's productivity and helping, which helps to reduce the wait times. I'm very excited to announce that in the fourth quarter, we signed a binding commitment to build a 120,000 sq ft health services building for a large Canadian hospital. When this asset is completed in 2029, the hospital's going to occupy it on a long-term basis and use it to move non-critical procedures out of their main facility. This transaction and our experience with Lakeridge really demonstrates that we can deliver assets that not only benefit Canada's healthcare system, but also add long-term infrastructure-like investments to our portfolio.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We're very excited about this opportunity and also about the opportunities like this that we expect going forward, which we think will be a major avenue of future growth for us. Given all the changes happening and the new direction we're taking at the REIT, our board's approved a name change. In the next few weeks, our name is going to change from NorthWest Healthcare Properties REIT to Vital Infrastructure Property Trust, and our new tickers and website will become effective. Although our name's changing and our geographic exposure is going to trend towards the Americas over time, our focus remains the same. We're going to invest in and manage high quality, hard-to-replicate healthcare infrastructure, supported by strong underlying credit to generate reliable and secure cash flows for our unitholders.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Before handing it over to Stephanie, I'll say a few things about Healthscope, given some of the noise in the Australian press recently. You know, throughout the receivership process, our teams worked to identify a new operator for our 12 hospitals. In November, we, with the full support of and encouragement of the receivers, entered into a transaction with a group called Calvary Health Care. They're a large, not-for-profit operator of hospitals and senior care facilities. It's highly regarded throughout Australia. Based on the terms that we agreed with them, the initial financial impact to us was very minimal, but importantly, our deal included an opportunity for us to potentially participate in outer year profitability of the hospitals, which continues to improve today and certainly would continue to do so under their control.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We were very surprised when we heard from the receivers that this proposal was not yet accepted, and that they were planning to convert Healthscope to a not-for-profit entity. Now, there are benefits to a not-for-profit entity, including operating savings, that the receivers indicated are over CAD 100 million a year, which, as their landlord, is a great thing for us. Beyond this, we don't know anything about their plans. We've asked the receiver some very basic information, but have yet to receive a response from them. We still believe there are meaningful benefits to all the parties from having the deal we had with Calvary in place. At this point, Healthscope remains our tenant. They continue to pay their rent, we have no mechanism to accelerate a transition at this time, although we do remain highly supportive of it.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We do hope that there's a resolution to this issue in the near term. I can assure you that Stephanie and I'd be thrilled to not have to respond to every Australian press article, or spend time talking about Healthscope on all of our quarterly calls with all of you. Just to close out, the fourth quarter and 2025 were very busy and productive. Our assets performed well, our balance sheet and liquidity are stronger, the business is getting simpler, and we're finding new avenues of growth. I'm very encouraged by the progress that we've made to date, and I'm confident in the path ahead. I want to thank our team and all our unitholders for their support, as we execute on this next phase of our business under the new banner, under the new banner of Vital Infrastructure.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

With that, I'll hand it to Stephanie.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Zach. Good morning, everyone. Before I begin, I want to highlight the reporting changes following the internalization of Vital Healthcare Property Trust management structure, which closed on December 30th, 2025. The REIT no longer controls Vital Healthcare Property Trust, and its results were deconsolidated effective that date. 2025 results are not directly comparable to prior periods. Our retained interest in Vital Healthcare Property Trust is now accounted for as an equity investment under IFRS and presented as a standalone investment on a proportionate basis. As the transaction closed on December 30th, there was no impact on proportionate earnings for 2025. Vital Healthcare Property Trust's operating results have also been removed from our leasing metrics and portfolio profile as at year-end. Beginning in the first quarter, the REIT's proportionate results will reflect distribution income received from Vital Healthcare Property Trust.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Q4 marked another quarter of solid financial and operating performance. We enter 2026 well positioned to execute on a refreshed strategy under our new identity and drive unitholder value. Today, I will review our operating and financial results for the quarter and full year, discuss the balance sheet transformation completed in 2025, and provide an update on transactional activity and what it means for 2026 and beyond. First, I will review the REIT's key operating and financial results. During Q4 and throughout 2025, the portfolio delivered strong operational performance, reinforcing both our execution and asset quality. Same-property net operating income increased 3% in the quarter and 3.1% for the year, driven by inflationary index and contractual rent increases, as well as rentalized capital expenditures.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

In Q4, we completed 287,000 sq ft of leasing at an 85% retention rate. For the full year, we renewed, secured 1.1 million sq ft of leases, including over 200,000 sq ft of early lease extensions, with an 88% retention. Year-end occupancy was 96.4%, which is consistent year-over-year. Our weighted average lease expiry remains over 12 years, demonstrating the predictable and long-dated nature of our cash flows. Turning to G&A, excluding unit-based compensation and severance, Q4 expenses increased by CAD 0.8 million year-over-year, largely due to timing and lower salary capitalization. On the same adjusted basis, full-year G&A declined by CAD 1.5 million in 2025 as we continue to simplify the business and reduce headcount, partially offset by FX.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Looking ahead, we expect further G&A reductions throughout 2026 following the Vital internalization and the sale of a significant portion of our European business. AFFO per unit was $0.12 in Q4 and $0.42 for the full year, representing increases of 20% and 8%, respectively. The full year payout ratio improved to 86%, down from 92% in 2024, and now comfortably within our stated target range. Growth in AFFO year-over-year was driven primarily by lower interest expenses and current taxes, partially offset by reduced NOI from non-core asset sales and lower management fees. NAV per unit was $7.55, down $1 from last December. The decline primarily reflects the Vital internalization, including the revaluation of the global manager, dilution from Vital's equity raise, and the updated fair value presentation of our retained interest.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

NAV was also impacted by the fair value changes across the portfolio, including assets classified as held for sale in Europe. Moving to transactional activity. Q4 and early 2026 have been highly active periods for the REIT, as we continued executing on our strategy to simplify the business and reduce leverage. Importantly, we are now demonstrating our ability to redeploy capital into North America, where we are achieving stronger returns with lower frictional costs and reduced complexity. During the quarter, we sold one Canadian property and two assets within Vital Trust at IFRS book values, generating total proceeds of CAD 80 million. We also completed the previously announced Vital Trust internalization on December 30th and used proceeds to pay approximately CAD 127 million of debt before year-end and a further CAD 24 million in January and February of this year.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

The transaction strengthens the balance sheet on an AFFO neutral basis and simplifies our structure in Australasia, while providing flexibility to further reduce our exposure to New Zealand over time. In Europe, following a broad marketing process involving multiple credible bidders, we finalized an agreement yesterday to sell 33 properties for gross pre-proceeds of EUR 400 million, or approximately CAD 650 million, before adjustments to TPG Real Estate. We expect this transaction to be earnings neutral after debt repayment and platform cost reductions. Closing is expected by the end of Q2, with estimated net proceeds of approximately CAD 145 million at the REIT's proportionate share to further delever and support capital redeployment. On the growth front, in Q4, we signed a CAD 112 million build-to-suit development agreement with a Canadian hospital system, with construction to begin in late 2026.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

This marks our second major healthcare development in Canada, following the successful completion of Lakeridge, the Lakeridge project in 2024. We believe similar opportunities will continue to emerge as healthcare delivery increasingly shifts towards non-acute settings. In addition, in February, we agreed to acquire a 73,000 sq ft transitional care facility in Ottawa for $49 million. The property is leased to The Ottawa Hospital, with over 14 years remaining and annual rent escalations. The transaction is expected to close in early March and will be funded from existing liquidity. Lastly, I'd like to highlight the progress made in the last year in improving the balance sheet and in reducing our cost of debt.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

In 2025, through our disposition activities, proportionate leverage declined by about 600 basis points to 52.4%, and our weighted average interest rate declined by 78 basis points to 4.71%. As of December 31st, over 90% of our debt is fixed, and our weighted average term to maturity is 2.5 years. Our debt to Adjusted EBITDA ratio sits at 8.7x, adjusted to reflect the impact of the Vital internalization, which is down from 8.9x at December 31st, 2024. Most importantly, our liquidity on a proportionate basis at the end of this year is CAD 465.5 million, up CAD 324 million from this time last year.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

With the majority of our deleveraging now complete, we believe the balance sheet is well positioned to support this next phase of growth for the REIT. In terms of one-time updates, further to Zach's comments on Healthscope, I can confirm that Healthscope remains current on rent and continues to meet all lease obligations as they work through the sale or repositioning of their business. Throughout this process, our focus has been on preserving value and minimizing impact to earnings. While we have agreed conditional terms with a potential new operator, there are no assurances that the Calvary bid will proceed. Given the commercially sensitive nature of these discussions, we're not in a position to provide additional details at this time. With respect to Healthscope's proposal to convert to a not-for-profit structure, we have not been provided with sufficient information to assess the implications for the REIT.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

In closing, 2025 was a transformative year for the REIT. We've simplified the platform, strengthened the balance sheet, and enhanced financial flexibility. With strong occupancy, long lease terms, and improving AFFO coverage and disciplined substantial liquidity, we enter 2026 from a position of strength. We remain disciplined in our capital allocation and believe the work completed over the past year positions us well for the next phase of sustainable growth and value creation for unitholders. I will now turn the call back over to the operator.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any key. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Our first question is from Sairam Srinivas with ATB. Please go ahead.

Sairam Srinivas
Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everybody. Congratulations on a good quarter and a pretty active one at that. Going back to your comment on potentially exiting Europe entirely, is this something which you could probably expect in 2026? Can you just speak about the broader disposition pipeline you guys have?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think in terms of exiting Europe, we really what we're left with in Europe is a portfolio of long leased, I think there's over 20 years of remaining lease term on a portfolio of clinics that we own in a joint venture. We have 1 single asset that we own. Look, our goal is to eventually exit Europe. I think the good thing as part of this transaction that's not captured in the current results and won't flow through likely until mid 2026 to 2027. I'm looking at Stephanie, mid 2026 to 2027, is that this transaction takes most of our operating intensive assets out of our portfolio and our teams out of our portfolio that are going with those assets.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

As this closes over time, it'll vastly simplify and streamline our business. If you think about, like, a net cash return on what we're doing in Europe, it's improving, but overall, we still think it makes sense to exit and redeploy the capital here. I would hope it's something that we can execute in 2026. I wouldn't be surprised if perhaps the clinics were something in 2026. I think the single asset, there are certain operational considerations that may just take a little longer.

Sairam Srinivas
Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets

That's fair. Probably what about the other markets? Do you think there are other opportunities in Australia or, you know, I guess Australia, I mean, South America is probably not an option there.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think, I mean, I think there's no urgency to do anything there. I think obviously, having resolution to the Healthscope thing, I think is important because what we're seeing there today is the profitability is improving, you know, month by month in all the assets that we have, like, data on, which includes the ones that Vital have and the ones that we have directly. We're seeing liquidity come back to the market, where people are buying smaller assets, but at pretty attractive yields. I think once this Healthscope situations come back, that's when I think you'll see the big scale institutional capital who likes this asset class, views it as infrastructure-like, but is waiting to see how this pans out.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think once that happens, then obviously the options for creating even more liquidity in Australia are there.

Sairam Srinivas
Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets

That's good, Zach. Maybe associated to the dispositions, does that mean there's any other fee income that could probably come on the JV side, because of the disposition activity?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Sorry, that wasn't quite clear. Do you mind just repeating the question?

Sairam Srinivas
Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets

As it is disposed to the JV assets, does that entail a disposition fee from the JV?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

There's not typically disposition, fees. More, you know, the JV fees are more ongoing management and service-related fees for things like leasing and capital oversight. No, I, I don't anticipate that.

Sairam Srinivas
Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets

All right. Probably my last question, I know that, Stephanie, you guys had mentioned getting proportionate debt below 50%, you know, that's one of your targets. Looking at where it is, you guys are pretty close to getting there, 20 points on that one. In addition to the sale that you expect to close in the summer this year, are there other levers you intend to pull to kind of get to that number?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think with just what's been announced today, between Europe and the Ottawa acquisition, we are anticipating leverage to get below that 50% mark by the completion of those things. We're gonna sit fairly comfortably there. Again, our proceeds today for Europe are earmarked towards further deleveraging. You know, that's the target, we'll work towards, you know, staying there, although it could be, you know, lumpy, depending on what other acquisition opportunities we find. We're fairly very committed to staying below 50.

Sairam Srinivas
Sairam Srinivas
Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets

Awesome, guys. I'll turn it back. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Himanshu Gupta with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Thank you. Good morning. A lot of updates provided last night. First question will be on the name change to Vital Infrastructure. Was this something planned for a while now, or is this something which has been discussed, you know, maybe since July last year?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think, you know, I can't comment on whether name changes were discussed in the past. I think it was something that, you know, certainly, you know, I felt that as we're starting to make these changes and transform, that a name change makes sense. We looked at a lot of names. We kept coming back to this one. You know, obviously, it's not far off from a business we have a major interest in New Zealand.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Look, we think it's a good name for us, going forward as we refocus the business. I think whether stuff has happened in the past, it's certainly accelerated. It was one thing we kinda wanted to do was, you know, a big objective of ours is sort of reintroduce what we do to the market and felt like... Let's look at a new name to do that. That was sort of the... We went through a pretty extensive process to do it, but where we came up is the name we're all happy with.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Yeah. Does that change the scope of assets you're looking at, you know, like a bit beyond healthcare, more into infrastructure? Or is it just a name change, nothing, no change in strategy whatsoever?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, that's a good question. I think that we, look, I would never say that I mean, we're gonna be opportunistic and try to do the smart things with our capital. I think there's just a big runway for us in Canada in particular, to really jump out. I mean, we are the leader clearly here, but I really think we can jump out ahead and really differentiate ourselves. We see a good runway of growth, particularly in healthcare infrastructure in Canada, particularly in delivering that next generation of healthcare infrastructure that's needed. As we look south of the border, I mean, that's an enormous market that it is, again, it's much more liquid, much more transparent, but there's a lot of attractive opportunities out there as well.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think I wouldn't anticipate for the time being, you'll see us buying midstream assets or toll roads at the moment. We are gonna stick with healthcare right now. And I think for the foreseeable future. I think our goal is to really be kind of a pure play, North American-centric leader in this space.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Got it. Thank you. On the European portfolio sale to TPG, how competitive was the process, and did you get the price you were looking for? How did that compare to IFRS?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Well, I'd say I never quite get the price I'm looking for, including, you know, at any given time. I'm gonna let Mike comment on that.

Mike Brady
Mike Brady
President at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, Himanshu, good morning. It was a widely marketed process, and we received many very competitive bids. Ultimately, TPG were a strong bidder, and were in a position to move at our pace, and so, we were very happy to be able to reach agreement with them. Yeah, I mean, all in all, as Zach said, you always would like to sell for more, but, we're happy with the outcome.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think it was. You know, I'd say that, given that we were selling, essentially making available an entity, including an operating business, to manage multi-tenant assets, do some leasing, do some capital projects and things like that, it probably lent itself more towards a group like a TPG, who's highly sophisticated, private equity capital, and that's really what we saw. We saw no shortage of it, really coming out there. They certainly were able to move fast and have access to the kind of capital that they needed to do this.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Correct. Stephanie, I mean, 9%-10% adjustment, is that fair on the assets on Europe, which you took in Q4?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think your math is right. If you look at, segmentally, our European write-down during the quarter, that represents about, 9% of, the portfolio there, pre-adjustment, so that's fairly representative of the discount.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Okay. Just one last follow-up. Stephanie, you mentioned this to be earnings neutral.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

I mean, given the cost of debt you had on holding on portfolio, which is pretty low, like, how do you get to that math? I mean, you need to have a lot of G&A savings to do that. Is that what is driving bulk of that earnings neutral outcome?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, absolutely. As Zach mentioned, you know, as a result of this, we're left with a very, you know, a portfolio of assets that are, you know, triple net, leased for 20 years, and not very management intensive. It allows us to reduce our platform there quite significantly. Really, we'll see most of the G&A in Europe being reduced over the course of the year. Between that, again, we'll be using the proceeds to pay down the Series H Debentures, is our goal. Those are sitting at 6.25%. That, again, kind of adds to the accretion analysis, but yes, we believe it's neutral.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Awesome. Okay, thank you so much, and I'll turn it back to you.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, just to add to that, when you think about the intensity, I think we have tenants in the portfolio Tracey's here. It's like, I think it's over 400 tenants in Europe alone, and that's gonna fall. Like, effectively, it's gonna fall to two.

Himanshu Gupta
Himanshu Gupta
Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank

Got it. Okay. Thank it, Zach, and thanks so much again.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Giuliano Thornhill with National Bank. Please go ahead.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Hey, guys. Good morning, everyone.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Hey.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

I just-.

Operator

Hey, Giuliano.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

gonna add a quick questions on the operating priorities, I guess, first. I know you outlined in your deck there, do you, do you envision that, you know, shifting at all? Like, is that the long-term, kind of outlook, would you say, just because your remain co-business, could be different than the current one?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Are you speaking to the shifting in like the regional split of our?

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Yeah, yeah, your outlook of 3%-4% same property NOI growth, and then less than 9x debt to EBITDA?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

The, like, 96% occupancy. I'm just wondering, like, is that the long-term outlook that you're sticking towards, or can it change with, you know, the dispositions that are coming?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I don't think the dispositions, that are coming will impact it. I think what we're left with will continue to deliver, those metrics. I think as we shift our portfolio and we move into more of these infrastructure-like assets, we'll likely get longer lease terms, and kind of more steady SPNOI, which could change over time, but again, won't be material in the next few years. It'll kind of take some time to ramp up over time. Yeah, we're fairly confident that the metrics that we have there targeted reflect what the portfolio will look like over the coming years.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think, Giuliano, one thing to note is, if you look at our composition today, it's heavily, I'd say, weighted towards inpatient assets. We do own a lot of large hospitals in Australia and elsewhere, and I think as we reallocate capital and start growing, we're focused more on the outpatient side. Those long leased assets Stephanie mentioned in Canada are outpatient, and it. I wouldn't anticipate we would do anything of any materiality in the U.S. that was inpatient. It'll all be outpatient. I think you'll see that shift, that kind of proportion shift over time. Generally, we're still targeting the same kind of performance.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Okay. I guess just moving to that outpatient opportunity, how large or could you put a number on it, do you think, is either that development or acquisition opportunity within Canada, like related to hospitals? Or and do you have a sense for that right now?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think Dave Casimiro, our EVP, who sort of leads the charge on all this, is he's actually meeting with a hospital right now, so he's not available on this call. I think if you were to say, what do we think? I mean, the opportunity should be. I mean, we've seen things, if you need CAD 30 billion-plus of this stuff in Canada. I think the reality is, it's hard to say because it is, at the moment, somewhat driven by the leadership of the specific hospitals and, you know, their kind of ability to go and be forward-thinking and, you know, be commercial. Our pipeline today, I mean, I'd say we're actively in discussions on, you know, CAD half a billion to CAD 1 billion of similar assets today.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

These things just, you know, I'd say unlike whether it's a logistics tenant who sends out an RFP and sort of wants something in 6 months, these things take a long time to curate. I do think it could be a very material thing for us going forward, that kind of keeps accelerating with every deal, is kind of how it works. I mean, it was a success of Lakeridge that drew this hospital CEO to say, "Wait a minute, how did they do that?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

That's something I want to look at." I think it will accelerate, but, you know, I don't think we're at a point now where, we're exhausted in our capacity or have to go find partners or kind of additional capital to do it yet.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Right. As this kind of outpatient trend accelerates or picks up, how could that impact your kind of existing tenant base and business within Canada? Is there, you know, potentially are physicians kind of going to be pressured because there's more competition? Is there like, do you have a sense of kind of what the risks are there to your business?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I, everything we own in Canada is essentially outpatient, there's no risk there. I think, in fact, the changes they're making, particularly to sort of general practitioners and family doctors, where they're basically gonna make it more favorable for them to be in that line of healthcare work, actually, improve our existing assets, which are geared towards that. I think what we will see, and that we're working with groups with, is there's a big push on community healthcare, where basically it could be as simple as, you know, in our buildings, we have 30 tenants, and 15 of them kind of join together and create a community health center in our asset. What it would mean is that effectively we end up with one tenant on the lease, as opposed to 15 or 20.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Inherently, we sort of have better credit, yet you have all the-.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Right

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

all the individual practitioners behind the lease. That's a trend we're starting to see. I think if you were to compare it to the U.S., I think our average tenant size, again, I wish Dave were here to answer this, but is around, I don't know, a little over 1,000 sq ft. If you were to compare it to the same outpatient things in the U.S., it's probably closer to 4,500 sq ft, where that model exists, where physicians kind of partner together into more sort of family medical groups. I think that will happen. I don't think it, in fact, I think it will benefit our real estate over time, and puts us in a great position because we already have all those uses in the asset.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

The tenant scale wouldn't be a risk to kind of leasing dynamics for yourselves, as in, thinking about get better rents, or lower rents, mind you?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I don't think so. I mean, I think the, you know, I think if we look at our Canadian assets generally, I mean, there's been a bit of noise around some movements around operationally, but, you know, that we tend to get 3-ish%, 3%-4% rent growth a year. I don't think that would change, and I don't think an 800 sq ft tenant moving to be a 4,500 sq ft tenant would materially impact either their ability to move us or not.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think the question could be, if we were to look out a few years, all of a sudden we had billions of this new, stuff in this new kind of healthcare infrastructure in production, to the extent all of a sudden, you know, it got highly competitive, then that may change our outlook. But we have a long runway till that happens.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. I'll jump back in with you.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks.

Operator

Once again, if you have a question, please press Star, then one. The next question is from Pammi Bir with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to come back to the European asset sale. Initially, I think, you know, we were thinking that it was perhaps just the wholly owned assets or a portion thereof, but it looks like, you know, you've got the JV, some of the JV assets in there too. I'm just curious, can you maybe just expand on the evolution of that transaction?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think we. That's a good question, Pammi. I mean, we started out initially with the idea of really our assets just in Germany, just in the outpatient sector. What we realized is that, you know, a little more scale would be beneficial, and our assets in the Netherlands were probably closer to outpatient, in that they had varying remaining lease terms, even though in some cases you had some larger tenant clinics.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We worked with our partner and said, "Look, it may make sense to sort of put this together and take it out." Essentially it became, I'd say, more of an exit of a certain type of asset, in that what we're left with primarily is, again, we have one asset that's not, that wasn't part of the sale perimeter, that we have some stuff to do and then we'll exit. Everything else we're left with is just the clinics in our joint venture that are long-term triple net leases, to essentially one, I think essentially one tenant. That's kind of how it sort of came together.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Obviously, I mean, Mike's here and obviously did a great job in kind of getting everything together, but it was complicated and that, you know, you have assets from different pools of capital. We had to make sure that, you know, that things were transparent. We worked hand-in-hand with our joint venture partner, who did an exceptional job with us moving very quickly to get this done. That's kind of how it evolved. It was more driven by initially our desire to say maybe we want to get out of that portfolio, and then we added some to it, but then said we just didn't think the clinics in addition to that, they're sort of a different profile. They're probably more of a credit-oriented, single tenant, net lease profile buyer than.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Right.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

What the bulk of our portfolio is.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

To clarify, your partner has exited those assets as well that are part of the deal?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

They've exited the. Yes, they're gonna.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Exit with us.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Right. Okay. Zach, just in your letter, you know, you talked about the growth in the U.S. or potentially redeploying capital into the U.S. and identifying a, I guess, strategic transaction. Can you maybe expand on that and, maybe where are you in that process? Then I guess the second part to that is, do the current U.S. assets fit into, I guess, that objective?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think. I mean, I've said before, I'd start with the current assets, Pammi. I mean, and that if I had my way, I wish I really didn't have them, and I could start with a blank slate. I don't think there's a lot. That portfolio there, the assets are fine. It's a disparate group, and it's a mix of asset types. I think as we look forward, we wanna focus on outpatient surgery, and to a small extent, inpatient rehab. The U.S. is although it's extraordinarily liquid and transparent, the assets are pretty small, like a $50 million outpatient asset or surgery center is pretty rare, just in terms of how decentralized the health system is.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

My view has always been that we need to be in the US to grow. It's an enormous investable universe. It has the same underlying underlying demographics, but in order to do it, we really need I can't have people flying out of Toronto trying to buy assets and kind of run assets. We need a pretty deep position there, that'll let us have the right kind of relationships with the health systems, the right access to transactions. If you think about it, even the volume of transactions that happens there is large. It's a very fragmented market, and you really have to be there to take advantage of the opportunities.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Again, we're exploring everything from strategic transactions, which could involve an M&A type of deal to, sort of, more strategic alignment or acquisition of a group of, call them, healthcare infrastructure asset managers, to really help us grow. Because ideally what we want is an entity or group that will help us make very, very repeatable, simple, repeatable investments, a with very low friction. And have the relationships with the health systems we need to continue to kind of grow the portfolio. That's where we are. We've been meeting people.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I mean, obviously, we've had a lot to do, just in the existing portfolio, but as we look forward, you know, a big priority for me is to kind of start to narrow down the kind of, field of options for us in terms of how we might, do this.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Sorry. Okay, that's good color. Just lastly, on the new development, I think it was CAD 112 million, which market was that in, what's the, what sort of yield expectations are you targeting?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

It's in Ontario. That's about what we can say at the moment, although we'll be able to, there'll be more news on it. Look, I think when we're all said and done, the starting yield will be kind of 7%-ish.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Okay.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Again, as we look at it, as we look at it, and you say, if you can generate that with a very long-term commitment, that's essentially supported by the government.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Right

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

on an infrastructure like asset with, you know, ongoing rent, like it's pretty compelling. In my mind, where, you know, I think there's infrastructure capital, it would look for levered 7% all in.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Right.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We feel quite good about. We're not developers for profit, but, you know, if you were to look at, I think what the development profit on these could be, it could be quite meaningful, although that's not our intent. Our intent is to build these and kind of hold them.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Sorry, the 7% is going in. I just want to clarify. 7% going in-

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Correct. Correct.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Plus the steps, yeah, like annual escalators

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Correct.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

In those leases. Yeah. Okay.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, correct.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Over.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Yeah.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

These are very long-term commitments, right?

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Right.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

This is not like, hey, it's a 10-year lease on a warehouse, and, you know, we're gonna battle it out. We're either gonna win or lose, depending on if someone else builds something like these are very long-term commitments, and they are infrastructure-like, and we saw that with Lakeridge. I mean, this one's twice the size.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Right. lastly, just want to confirm the European asset sale, is that roughly in the, just doing the math based on your disclosure, roughly in the 6.5% range in terms of?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

The cap rate?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, that's pretty close.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Yep. Okay.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah.

Pammi Bir
Pammi Bir
Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets

Thanks very much. I'll turn it back.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks.

Operator

We have a follow-up question from Giuliano Thornhill with National Bank. Please go ahead.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Hey, guys. I'll just be brief. I was just wondering, was there an option to sell the management rights to TPG or possibly another buyer? What, yeah, was that considered at all?

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Do you mean the management in terms-

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Yeah

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

... of our joint venture?

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Yeah.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Or-

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Exactly the-

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

No.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

History and the.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

No, that's not. I mean, look, we're not, look, It's not something we would unlike Vital, you know, this is a very important partnership for us. You know, it, we both enter this thing investing both of our own capital. It's not, and it's not something we thought about now. I think we more thought about the management of kind of the outpatient assets that just require in that market. We don't quite have the scale. You either have to triple the size of the portfolio or exit. No, we still have our venture. It's still intact, although we sold a few assets out of it.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

When does the board, as or has the board established a framework for kind of getting to distribution increases, like a certain payout level? The final question I had was just, what does net debt EBITDA look like, adjusted for the year, for the transaction activity?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, maybe first starting with distribution policy, I think, you know, the board hasn't approached that yet. I think we're still in, you know, a bit of transition mode in terms of the disposition activity and growth. Really, we're looking at 2026 as a year to kind of reposition the portfolio and start growing again. I think, you know, things during the year might be slightly noisy in terms of earnings, just as we try to fund match as best as possible, our proceeds and redeployment or debt repayment. Yeah, looking towards the end of 2027 or 2026, sorry, we'll feel in a much more kind of stable position and be able to assess at that point.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

With respect to debt to EBITDA, the 8.7% or 8.7x that I quoted, that's, you know, adjusting for Vital. I think that that's probably a good indicator of where things trend in the next couple of quarters. With the further deleveraging from the European asset sale, we could see that come down a little bit, but I think we're kind of in that low or high 8s range for the next little bit.

Giuliano Thornhill
Giuliano Thornhill
Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial

Okay. Thank you, guys.

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Guliano.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Guliano.

Operator

The next question is from Dean Wilkinson with CIBC. Please go ahead.

Dean Wilkinson
Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director, Head of Real Estate Research at CIBC

Thanks. Morning, everyone. Most everything has been asked already. Just want to confirm on the Healthscope, pro forma the asset sales, I get that at around 11% with... Or, 8% from the sort of 6. Would that be in the ballpark range, Stephanie?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I think that sounds right. I can confirm that offline, and if it's not, I'll let you know, but I think that sounds right.

Dean Wilkinson
Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director, Head of Real Estate Research at CIBC

Okay. Sounds good. Just, you know, your comments about sort of earnings neutral on the dispositions and the rest of that. Could we then infer sort of that CAD 0.11-CAD 0.12 per share quarterly run rate on FFO was a pretty decent number?

Stephanie Karamarkovic
Stephanie Karamarkovic
CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, I don't want to give, you know, concrete guidance, but yeah, I think 2026, we see as kind of a flat year overall to 2025, just given all the repositioning activities.

Dean Wilkinson
Dean Wilkinson
Managing Director, Head of Real Estate Research at CIBC

Right. That makes sense. That's it. Thanks.

Zach Vaughan
Zach Vaughan
CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Dean.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Alyssa Barry for any closing remarks.

Alyssa Barry
Alyssa Barry
Director of Investor Relations at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate your support. We look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. For any further questions, please feel free to reach out to us directly. With that, have a great rest of your day.

Operator

This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

Analysts
    • Alyssa Barry
      Director of Investor Relations at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust
    • Dean Wilkinson
      Managing Director, Head of Real Estate Research at CIBC
    • Giuliano Thornhill
      Equity Research Associate Analyst at National Bank Financial
    • Himanshu Gupta
      Director, Equity Research Analyst - REITs at Scotiabank
    • Mike Brady
      President at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust
    • Pammi Bir
      Managing Director, Global Head of Real Estate Research at RBC Capital Markets
    • Sairam Srinivas
      Equity Research Analyst at ATB Capital Markets
    • Stephanie Karamarkovic
      CFO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust
    • Zach Vaughan
      CEO at NorthWest Healthcare Properties Real Estate Investment Trust