OTCMKTS:NLST Netlist Q4 2025 Earnings Report $2.65 -0.09 (-3.28%) As of 03:59 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Netlist EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.01Consensus EPS -$0.01Beat/MissBeat by +$0.00One Year Ago EPSN/ANetlist Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$75.72 millionExpected Revenue$44.00 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$31.72 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ANetlist Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date3/3/2026TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, March 3, 2026Conference Call Time12:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsNetlist's Q1 2026 earnings is estimated for Tuesday, May 5, 2026, based on past reporting schedulesConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Netlist Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMarch 3, 2026 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Positive Sentiment: Netlist reported full-year 2025 revenue of $188.6 million (up 28% YoY) and said Q4 revenue more than doubled versus Q4 2024, with management expecting further improvement in Q1 2026 given current bookings and pricing. Positive Sentiment: Management attributes strong recent results to an AI-driven global DRAM shortage that has driven sharp price increases (OEM pricing up ~3–4x, spot up ~7–8x) and expects these pricing dynamics to persist through 2026 into 2027. Positive Sentiment: Product momentum is increasing as Lightning (overclocked, low-latency DDR5) is ramping with system integrators and has completed qualification at a global server OEM, positioning growth in high-frequency trading and high-performance computing markets. Positive Sentiment: Netlist emphasized its strengthening IP position—multiple CAFC affirmances, ongoing federal suits vs. Samsung and Micron, and an ITC investigation targeting Samsung/Google/Super Micro—which could lead to import exclusions and meaningful damages if rulings go Netlist’s way. Neutral Sentiment: The company finished 2025 with $42.1 million in cash (raised $10M in a registered direct offering), access to a $10M working-capital line and ~$74M available on an equity line, and expects 2026 litigation costs to be roughly in line with 2025. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallNetlist Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, welcome to the Netlist fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, please press star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mike Smargiassi, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Mike SmargiassiHead of Investor Relations at The Plunkett Group00:00:37Thank you, Nick, and good day, everyone. Welcome to Netlist's fourth quarter 2025 conference call. Leading today's call will be Chuck Hong, Chief Executive Officer of Netlist, and Gail Sasaki, Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, you can access the earnings release and a replay of today's call on the investor section of the Netlist website at netlist.com. Before we start the call, I would note that today's presentation of Netlist results and the answers to questions may include forward-looking statements, which are based on current expectations. The actual results could differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements because of the number of risks and uncertainties that are expressed in the call, annual, and current SEC filings, and the cautionary statements contained in today's press release. Netlist assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements. I will now turn the call over to Chuck. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:01:38Thank you, Mike. Hello, everyone. In 2025, we strengthened Netlist's long-term strategic position as we made substantial progress across product and IP initiatives. We saw significant improvement in full-year financial results, both the top and bottom line. We ended 2025 with revenue more than doubling in the fourth quarter. Financial performance was driven by strong demand for memory in the second half of 2025 and the strong execution of our sales and marketing teams in delivering the value of our products to customers across key markets. Rapid growth in AI has created a supply-demand imbalance, leading to a global memory chip shortage and sharp price increases across all product categories. These industry dynamics are expected to persist through this year and into 2027, when new fab capacity is expected to come online and increase supply of memory chips. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:02:51In the current environment, Netlist is well-positioned to grow its product business. Sales volume for Lightning, Netlist's overclocked and low latency DDR5 line of products is ramping up nicely in the system integrator market segment. Adding to this, we've completed qualifications at a global server OEM, and they, in turn, are currently in testing with many of their end customers. We anticipate continued growth of our existing customers as well as new customers in high-frequency trading and high-performance computing applications. On the legacy products front, industrial and networking customers continue to require DDR4-based Netlist custom solutions. We will support these customers through 2026 and into 2027 through last-time buy agreements that were concluded in 2025. As AI workloads continue to drive demand for higher performance and higher capacity memory, we are investing in strategic R&D for next-generation technologies. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:04:05Those include CXL NVDIMM and low-power MRDIMM. We are sampling our CXL NVDIMM proof-of-concept products to Intel and AMD for testing and validation on next-generation platforms. NVDIMM was invented by Netlist over a decade ago, and we are now moving this storage backup solution onto the CXL channel. As DDR5 DIMM speeds continue to increase, MRDIMM and LP-MRDIMM are projected to become the primary memory module used in high-capacity, high-performance server applications. Netlist is developing a unique solution in this space, which takes LPDDR5 DRAMs currently used in mobile devices and deploying them in high-end servers via our unique LP-MRDIMM design. On the IP front, we continue our defense of multiple favorable jury verdicts. We secured important appellate affirmances of the validity of our patents and expanded enforcement actions covering next-generation DDR5 and HBM technologies that are foundational to AI computing. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:05:29In December, the ITC, or the U.S. International Trade Commission, instituted an investigation into Samsung, Google, and Super Micro based on the complaint Netlist filed in September. The investigation centers on the importation of Samsung memory products that infringe on six Netlist patents: the '366, the '731, the '608, '523, '035, and '087. Each of these patents reads on one or more of the following products, DDR5 memory modules, such as DDR5 RDIMM, UDIMM, SO-DIMM, and MRDIMM, and high bandwidth memory, HBM. In 2025, the validity of Netlist's '608 and '523 patents were affirmed by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, upholding the PTAB's IPR decisions. As a result, Samsung is not able to challenge the validity of these patents going forward. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:06:33The ITC has assigned the investigation to an administrative law judge. The procedural schedule has been set. The Markman hearing is scheduled for April. The trial set to start on November. A ruling in Netlist's favor would direct U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stop Samsung memory products that infringe these patents from entering the U.S. The discovery phase of the ITC investigation will take place over the coming months. In the federal courts, Netlist filed four separate actions in 2025 in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas against Samsung and Micron and their distributor, Avnet. In these actions, Netlist is asserting newly issued patents covering DDR5 memory modules and HBM for AI computing. They include the '087, '731, and '366 patents, which read on memory products that represents tens of billions in annual revenue for these defendants. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:07:40In a breach of contract case against Samsung in March 2025, the Federal Court for the Central District of California found that Samsung materially breached the joint development and license agreement Netlist and Samsung signed in 2015. This was actually the third separate time Samsung has lost this case. Samsung filed its appeal, appellate brief in December, and Netlist will file its brief in the coming weeks. We estimate that the briefing process will be completed this summer, with a possible hearing before the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit before year-end. In other appellate activity, Micron's appeal of the $445 million jury award to Netlist is in the briefing process, with oral arguments expected mid-2027. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:08:39In the $303 million damages award against Samsung, the appeal has been companioned with the IPR appeals of Netlist's '319, '918, '054, '106, and '064 patents, which were asserted in this case. Oral arguments on these appeals will be heard on March 6th, 2026, this Friday in Washington, D.C. Regarding other IPRs, in late February, the Federal Court of Appeals affirmed the October 23 final written decision by the PTAB upholding the validity of Netlist's '314 patent in an IPR brought by Micron. Micron has 90 days from the CAFC's judgment to file a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court. This is the third time within the past 12 months that the First Circuit appellate court has affirmed the validity of Netlist patents asserted against Micron and or Samsung. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:09:50These affirmances of the validity of these patented technologies attest to the Netlist's role as a technology leader in memory subsystems. The '314 and the '508 patent, which was also affirmed by the CAFC, are asserted in Netlist's case against Micron in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, which is currently stayed. We expect oral arguments before the CAFC for the '912 and the '417 patents later this year. Netlist continues to advocate for the rights of patent owners from meeting government officials to urging Congress to take action on proposed patent reform legislation. In the fall, we provided our comments in support of the Patent and Trademark Office's Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, NPRM. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:10:50The proposed rule seek to level the playing field between all, between small technology innovators and big tech in the patent dispute process, especially when it comes to IPRs. We will be participating in the upcoming IPWatchdog conference in Arlington, Virginia, at the end of March. The conference will bring together leaders in the intellectual property community and will feature speakers from the USPTO leadership, as well as district court judges. I look forward to being part of the panelists' discussions. In summary, 2025 was a year of progress for Netlist. We enter 2026 well-positioned to build on our success and capitalize on the transition to next-generation memory through our products and IP assets. I will now turn the call over to Gail for the financial review. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:11:49Thanks, Chuck. For the 12 months ended December 27th, 2025, revenue was $188.6 million, an increase of 28% from 2024. We ended the year with strong first quarter performance as revenue improved 121% as compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. Top line results reflect the current industry environment, which Chuck noted earlier, with solid demand from both OEM and resale customers, as well as significant price increases, which supported gross profit margin improvement for both the full year and quarter. While we do not formally guide, given booking and shipping for the first quarter of 2026 to date, and subject to the visibility we have today, we currently expect total first quarter revenue to show further improvement from the fourth quarter of 2025. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:12:48Operating expense for the full year 2025 declined 36%, driven by reductions in IP legal fees and SG&A cost controls. We ended 2025 with cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash of $42.1 million, compared to $28.8 million at the end of the third quarter, with minimal debt. In the fourth quarter, we strengthened our cash position, raising $10 million through the registered direct offering. With a $10 million working capital line of credit and approximately $74 million available on our equity line of credit, we continue to maintain significant financial flexibility and liquidity going forward. As always, we manage the operational cash cycle very carefully as inventory churn improved by 32 days over 2024, and days sales outstanding improved by about a week year-over-year. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:13:49I would note that we will once again be attending the Annual Roth Conference in March and look forward to meeting with investors. Operator, we are now ready for questions. Operator00:14:00Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. The first question will come from Jared Osteen with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:14:28Thank you. This is Jared Osteen on for Suji Desilva. Thank you for taking the questions. In relation to the current market supply and demand environment, Chuck, can you share your perspective on the current memory supply and demand environment? I know you shared a little bit in the formal remarks. How much of this is being driven by the transition to DDR5 versus AI capacity driven? With the new fabs that have been announced, do you think these are sufficient to meet demand or is more needed? Thanks. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:14:55Hey, Jared. There's a global shortage of memory chips, really the raw material for all computing hardware really from laptops to mobile phones to servers and AI servers. While we focus mostly on high-end servers for AI, you know, we're feeling the effects of the access to raw material, the shortage of DRAM, mostly DRAM raw material and some NAND. On the other hand, the ASPs, the prices of all products that are related to memory have increased significantly. That is offsetting the lower volumes in supply. I don't know that any of this is impacted or due to transition to DDR5. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:16:21A lot of it is driven by AI. I think OpenAI committed to some 40% of the output of HBM over the next few years, they're not buying that yet. You've got commitments to companies like NVIDIA and AMD for HBMs, that's taking up a lot of the DRAM components that are going into mobile phones and PCs that are now allocated for HBMs. Fundamentally, until there is new capacity, this capacity that's in place has been, it was CapEx that was invested some three, four years ago. There's really not too many ways to increase the overall capacity. It's kind of a zero-sum game. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:17:16If you know, allocate more to one segment of the market, you get less on the other side. Until there's new capacity that comes online, towards second half of 2027, I think, you know, all sectors of computing, will continue to face this, memory shortage. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:17:44Thank you. Then to go a little bit deeper into demand and pricing, how do you see the demand environment playing out for the remainder of the year? Do you expect it to be front-loaded as customers grab all the product supply that they can today? Do you think that the significant price increases for memory that we've seen in the past couple of whole quarters will hold? Thank you. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:18:05From the price points that we look at in our industry, one is the OEM pricing that are to manufacturers from the DRAM manufacturers being sold to computer manufacturers. There's the spot pricing, kind of the broker market. In the last six months, the OEM pricing for DRAMs have gone up probably 3x to 4x. The spot market has gone up probably 7x to 8x. It's kind of an unprecedented type of increase. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:18:53We think, you know, most of that price increase will hold through this year, which means revenues for people that are able to secure supply of DRAMs, for most people that are in this industry should go up despite the fact that unit supply and unit sales will likely go down for most people. I think if you're able to secure supply, I think you're in a good position. Over time, if supply becomes an issue, I think it's gonna become more difficult. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:19:51Switching topics a little bit. Now that you have two CAFC affirmed patents, the '314 patent and the '608 patent, what are the next steps to get the stayed Micron case in the Western District of Texas moving? Is there anything else that might keep it stayed? Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:20:08Yes. I think this case now is open to being unstayed now that the patents have been affirmed by the appellate court. Our outside lawyers will take steps to reopen this case and get it moving again. It's, you know, a legal motion practice that they'll undertake to get this case back open and on track. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:20:50In terms of litigation expense cadence expectations for 2026, it seems like there's a little bit more activity in the pipeline this year. With the hearing at the end of this week, some additional IPR deals and ITC in November. How are litigation expenses expected to track in the remainder of calendar year 2026 relative to 2025 levels? Any color would be helpful. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:21:11I'll take that. We believe it'll be about the same as 2025. As you can see, I mean, even if the Western District of Texas case is unstayed, it won't happen in 2026. There won't be any court cases in 2026. Obviously, the ITC will be spread out throughout the year, even though the trial is not till the end of the year. We don't expect expenses to be much higher than 2025. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:21:53Great. Thank you. My final question in terms of products, how do you see Lightning revenue building in 2026? What's your visibility into the duration of the process from proof of concept to material order process? Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:22:10Well, we've gone through this process. We're kind of at the tail end of the qualification and validation at the major OEM, our, you know, top customer, and they have their end customers. We're final, we're finalizing those validations. It's been ongoing for six to nine months. In terms of the system integrator market, we're already shipping in some good volume, and that is ramping up. The demand in that side of the market is very strong, not just because of the shortage, but people moving to overclock higher speed DRAMs, both for high frequency trading and a lot of these applications that require very fast execution, trade executions. Yeah. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:23:23We're, you know, we're seeing good traction. We look forward to seeing continuing growth of this product line through the course of this year. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:23:36Great. Thank you, Chuck. Thank you, Gail, and congrats on the quarter. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:23:39Thanks, Jared. Operator00:23:42This concludes our question-and-answer session as well as conference call. Thank you for attending today's presentation. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good day, welcome to the Netlist fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, please press star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mike Smargiassi, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Mike SmargiassiHead of Investor Relations at The Plunkett Group00:00:37Thank you, Nick, and good day, everyone. Welcome to Netlist's fourth quarter 2025 conference call. Leading today's call will be Chuck Hong, Chief Executive Officer of Netlist, and Gail Sasaki, Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, you can access the earnings release and a replay of today's call on the investor section of the Netlist website at netlist.com. Before we start the call, I would note that today's presentation of Netlist results and the answers to questions may include forward-looking statements, which are based on current expectations. The actual results could differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements because of the number of risks and uncertainties that are expressed in the call, annual, and current SEC filings, and the cautionary statements contained in today's press release. Netlist assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements. I will now turn the call over to Chuck. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:01:38Thank you, Mike. Hello, everyone. In 2025, we strengthened Netlist's long-term strategic position as we made substantial progress across product and IP initiatives. We saw significant improvement in full-year financial results, both the top and bottom line. We ended 2025 with revenue more than doubling in the fourth quarter. Financial performance was driven by strong demand for memory in the second half of 2025 and the strong execution of our sales and marketing teams in delivering the value of our products to customers across key markets. Rapid growth in AI has created a supply-demand imbalance, leading to a global memory chip shortage and sharp price increases across all product categories. These industry dynamics are expected to persist through this year and into 2027, when new fab capacity is expected to come online and increase supply of memory chips. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:02:51In the current environment, Netlist is well-positioned to grow its product business. Sales volume for Lightning, Netlist's overclocked and low latency DDR5 line of products is ramping up nicely in the system integrator market segment. Adding to this, we've completed qualifications at a global server OEM, and they, in turn, are currently in testing with many of their end customers. We anticipate continued growth of our existing customers as well as new customers in high-frequency trading and high-performance computing applications. On the legacy products front, industrial and networking customers continue to require DDR4-based Netlist custom solutions. We will support these customers through 2026 and into 2027 through last-time buy agreements that were concluded in 2025. As AI workloads continue to drive demand for higher performance and higher capacity memory, we are investing in strategic R&D for next-generation technologies. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:04:05Those include CXL NVDIMM and low-power MRDIMM. We are sampling our CXL NVDIMM proof-of-concept products to Intel and AMD for testing and validation on next-generation platforms. NVDIMM was invented by Netlist over a decade ago, and we are now moving this storage backup solution onto the CXL channel. As DDR5 DIMM speeds continue to increase, MRDIMM and LP-MRDIMM are projected to become the primary memory module used in high-capacity, high-performance server applications. Netlist is developing a unique solution in this space, which takes LPDDR5 DRAMs currently used in mobile devices and deploying them in high-end servers via our unique LP-MRDIMM design. On the IP front, we continue our defense of multiple favorable jury verdicts. We secured important appellate affirmances of the validity of our patents and expanded enforcement actions covering next-generation DDR5 and HBM technologies that are foundational to AI computing. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:05:29In December, the ITC, or the U.S. International Trade Commission, instituted an investigation into Samsung, Google, and Super Micro based on the complaint Netlist filed in September. The investigation centers on the importation of Samsung memory products that infringe on six Netlist patents: the '366, the '731, the '608, '523, '035, and '087. Each of these patents reads on one or more of the following products, DDR5 memory modules, such as DDR5 RDIMM, UDIMM, SO-DIMM, and MRDIMM, and high bandwidth memory, HBM. In 2025, the validity of Netlist's '608 and '523 patents were affirmed by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, upholding the PTAB's IPR decisions. As a result, Samsung is not able to challenge the validity of these patents going forward. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:06:33The ITC has assigned the investigation to an administrative law judge. The procedural schedule has been set. The Markman hearing is scheduled for April. The trial set to start on November. A ruling in Netlist's favor would direct U.S. Customs and Border Protection to stop Samsung memory products that infringe these patents from entering the U.S. The discovery phase of the ITC investigation will take place over the coming months. In the federal courts, Netlist filed four separate actions in 2025 in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas against Samsung and Micron and their distributor, Avnet. In these actions, Netlist is asserting newly issued patents covering DDR5 memory modules and HBM for AI computing. They include the '087, '731, and '366 patents, which read on memory products that represents tens of billions in annual revenue for these defendants. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:07:40In a breach of contract case against Samsung in March 2025, the Federal Court for the Central District of California found that Samsung materially breached the joint development and license agreement Netlist and Samsung signed in 2015. This was actually the third separate time Samsung has lost this case. Samsung filed its appeal, appellate brief in December, and Netlist will file its brief in the coming weeks. We estimate that the briefing process will be completed this summer, with a possible hearing before the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit before year-end. In other appellate activity, Micron's appeal of the $445 million jury award to Netlist is in the briefing process, with oral arguments expected mid-2027. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:08:39In the $303 million damages award against Samsung, the appeal has been companioned with the IPR appeals of Netlist's '319, '918, '054, '106, and '064 patents, which were asserted in this case. Oral arguments on these appeals will be heard on March 6th, 2026, this Friday in Washington, D.C. Regarding other IPRs, in late February, the Federal Court of Appeals affirmed the October 23 final written decision by the PTAB upholding the validity of Netlist's '314 patent in an IPR brought by Micron. Micron has 90 days from the CAFC's judgment to file a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court. This is the third time within the past 12 months that the First Circuit appellate court has affirmed the validity of Netlist patents asserted against Micron and or Samsung. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:09:50These affirmances of the validity of these patented technologies attest to the Netlist's role as a technology leader in memory subsystems. The '314 and the '508 patent, which was also affirmed by the CAFC, are asserted in Netlist's case against Micron in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, which is currently stayed. We expect oral arguments before the CAFC for the '912 and the '417 patents later this year. Netlist continues to advocate for the rights of patent owners from meeting government officials to urging Congress to take action on proposed patent reform legislation. In the fall, we provided our comments in support of the Patent and Trademark Office's Notice of Proposed Rulemaking, NPRM. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:10:50The proposed rule seek to level the playing field between all, between small technology innovators and big tech in the patent dispute process, especially when it comes to IPRs. We will be participating in the upcoming IPWatchdog conference in Arlington, Virginia, at the end of March. The conference will bring together leaders in the intellectual property community and will feature speakers from the USPTO leadership, as well as district court judges. I look forward to being part of the panelists' discussions. In summary, 2025 was a year of progress for Netlist. We enter 2026 well-positioned to build on our success and capitalize on the transition to next-generation memory through our products and IP assets. I will now turn the call over to Gail for the financial review. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:11:49Thanks, Chuck. For the 12 months ended December 27th, 2025, revenue was $188.6 million, an increase of 28% from 2024. We ended the year with strong first quarter performance as revenue improved 121% as compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. Top line results reflect the current industry environment, which Chuck noted earlier, with solid demand from both OEM and resale customers, as well as significant price increases, which supported gross profit margin improvement for both the full year and quarter. While we do not formally guide, given booking and shipping for the first quarter of 2026 to date, and subject to the visibility we have today, we currently expect total first quarter revenue to show further improvement from the fourth quarter of 2025. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:12:48Operating expense for the full year 2025 declined 36%, driven by reductions in IP legal fees and SG&A cost controls. We ended 2025 with cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash of $42.1 million, compared to $28.8 million at the end of the third quarter, with minimal debt. In the fourth quarter, we strengthened our cash position, raising $10 million through the registered direct offering. With a $10 million working capital line of credit and approximately $74 million available on our equity line of credit, we continue to maintain significant financial flexibility and liquidity going forward. As always, we manage the operational cash cycle very carefully as inventory churn improved by 32 days over 2024, and days sales outstanding improved by about a week year-over-year. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:13:49I would note that we will once again be attending the Annual Roth Conference in March and look forward to meeting with investors. Operator, we are now ready for questions. Operator00:14:00Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. The first question will come from Jared Osteen with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:14:28Thank you. This is Jared Osteen on for Suji Desilva. Thank you for taking the questions. In relation to the current market supply and demand environment, Chuck, can you share your perspective on the current memory supply and demand environment? I know you shared a little bit in the formal remarks. How much of this is being driven by the transition to DDR5 versus AI capacity driven? With the new fabs that have been announced, do you think these are sufficient to meet demand or is more needed? Thanks. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:14:55Hey, Jared. There's a global shortage of memory chips, really the raw material for all computing hardware really from laptops to mobile phones to servers and AI servers. While we focus mostly on high-end servers for AI, you know, we're feeling the effects of the access to raw material, the shortage of DRAM, mostly DRAM raw material and some NAND. On the other hand, the ASPs, the prices of all products that are related to memory have increased significantly. That is offsetting the lower volumes in supply. I don't know that any of this is impacted or due to transition to DDR5. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:16:21A lot of it is driven by AI. I think OpenAI committed to some 40% of the output of HBM over the next few years, they're not buying that yet. You've got commitments to companies like NVIDIA and AMD for HBMs, that's taking up a lot of the DRAM components that are going into mobile phones and PCs that are now allocated for HBMs. Fundamentally, until there is new capacity, this capacity that's in place has been, it was CapEx that was invested some three, four years ago. There's really not too many ways to increase the overall capacity. It's kind of a zero-sum game. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:17:16If you know, allocate more to one segment of the market, you get less on the other side. Until there's new capacity that comes online, towards second half of 2027, I think, you know, all sectors of computing, will continue to face this, memory shortage. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:17:44Thank you. Then to go a little bit deeper into demand and pricing, how do you see the demand environment playing out for the remainder of the year? Do you expect it to be front-loaded as customers grab all the product supply that they can today? Do you think that the significant price increases for memory that we've seen in the past couple of whole quarters will hold? Thank you. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:18:05From the price points that we look at in our industry, one is the OEM pricing that are to manufacturers from the DRAM manufacturers being sold to computer manufacturers. There's the spot pricing, kind of the broker market. In the last six months, the OEM pricing for DRAMs have gone up probably 3x to 4x. The spot market has gone up probably 7x to 8x. It's kind of an unprecedented type of increase. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:18:53We think, you know, most of that price increase will hold through this year, which means revenues for people that are able to secure supply of DRAMs, for most people that are in this industry should go up despite the fact that unit supply and unit sales will likely go down for most people. I think if you're able to secure supply, I think you're in a good position. Over time, if supply becomes an issue, I think it's gonna become more difficult. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:19:51Switching topics a little bit. Now that you have two CAFC affirmed patents, the '314 patent and the '608 patent, what are the next steps to get the stayed Micron case in the Western District of Texas moving? Is there anything else that might keep it stayed? Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:20:08Yes. I think this case now is open to being unstayed now that the patents have been affirmed by the appellate court. Our outside lawyers will take steps to reopen this case and get it moving again. It's, you know, a legal motion practice that they'll undertake to get this case back open and on track. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:20:50In terms of litigation expense cadence expectations for 2026, it seems like there's a little bit more activity in the pipeline this year. With the hearing at the end of this week, some additional IPR deals and ITC in November. How are litigation expenses expected to track in the remainder of calendar year 2026 relative to 2025 levels? Any color would be helpful. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:21:11I'll take that. We believe it'll be about the same as 2025. As you can see, I mean, even if the Western District of Texas case is unstayed, it won't happen in 2026. There won't be any court cases in 2026. Obviously, the ITC will be spread out throughout the year, even though the trial is not till the end of the year. We don't expect expenses to be much higher than 2025. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:21:53Great. Thank you. My final question in terms of products, how do you see Lightning revenue building in 2026? What's your visibility into the duration of the process from proof of concept to material order process? Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:22:10Well, we've gone through this process. We're kind of at the tail end of the qualification and validation at the major OEM, our, you know, top customer, and they have their end customers. We're final, we're finalizing those validations. It's been ongoing for six to nine months. In terms of the system integrator market, we're already shipping in some good volume, and that is ramping up. The demand in that side of the market is very strong, not just because of the shortage, but people moving to overclock higher speed DRAMs, both for high frequency trading and a lot of these applications that require very fast execution, trade executions. Yeah. Chuck HongCEO at Netlist00:23:23We're, you know, we're seeing good traction. We look forward to seeing continuing growth of this product line through the course of this year. Jared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital Partners00:23:36Great. Thank you, Chuck. Thank you, Gail, and congrats on the quarter. Gail SasakiCFO at Netlist00:23:39Thanks, Jared. Operator00:23:42This concludes our question-and-answer session as well as conference call. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesChuck HongCEOGail SasakiCFOAnalystsJared OsteenEquity Research Associate at Roth Capital PartnersMike SmargiassiHead of Investor Relations at The Plunkett GroupPowered by