Prudential Financial Q2 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 4, 2021

There are 13 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Prudential's Quarterly Earnings Conference Call. At this point, all the participant lines are in a listen only mode. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I'll turn the call now over to Darren Arita. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, John. Good morning and thank you for joining our call. Representing Prudential on today's call are Charlie Lowrey, Chairman and CEO Rob Thousand, Vice Chairman Andy Sullivan, Head of U. S. Businesses Scott Slicer, Head of International Businesses Ken Tanji, Chief Financial Officer and Rob Axel, Controller and Principal Accounting Officer.

Speaker 1

We will start with prepared comments by Charlie, Bob and Ken and then we will take your questions. Today's presentation may include forward looking statements. It is possible that actual results may differ materially from the predictions we make today. In addition, this presentation may include Your results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements, please see the slide titled Forward Looking Statements and Non GAAP Measures in the appendix to today's presentation and the quarterly financial supplement, both of which can be found on our website at investor. Prudential.com.

Speaker 2

With that,

Speaker 1

I'll hand it over to Charlie.

Operator

Thank you, Darren, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. As always, we hope you and your families remain safe and healthy. We reported strong financial results for 2nd quarter, reflecting robust investment performance and further progress in achieving our cost savings target. We also made significant progress Executing on our strategy to become a higher growth, less market sensitive and more nimble company. As an example, We announced an agreement to sell our full service retirement business last month.

Operator

2nd, our cost savings program is progressing well and is ahead of our original plan. And 3rd, with the support of our rock solid balance sheet, we redeploying capital both by increasing capital return to shareholders and by selectively pursuing acquisition opportunities. I'll now provide an update on each of these strategic initiatives beginning with our recent divestiture activity. Turning to Slide 3. Following the sale of our Korea business last year, we successfully closed on the sale of our Taiwan business during the Q2.

Operator

And in July, we announced an agreement to sell our full service retirement business to Empower Retirement in a transaction which is expected to close in the Q1 of 2022. Including the announced Full service sale and the completed sales of our Korea and Taiwan businesses, we expect net proceeds of approximately $4,200,000,000 from these divestitures. Meanwhile, we continue to pursue opportunities to reduce the size of our legacy block of traditional variable annuities with guaranteed living benefits. Moving to Slide 4. As I mentioned earlier, we are progressing well and remain on track to generate $750,000,000 of cost savings by the end of 2023.

Operator

To date, we have achieved $515,000,000 of run rate Cost savings, which exceeded our original target of $500,000,000 and did so 18 months ahead of plan. These savings include $130,000,000 in the 2nd quarter and a total of $240,000,000 for the first half of twenty twenty one. We have also identified new cost savings to replace those we had not yet realized in our full service retirement business. And as a result, Continue to expect to generate $750,000,000 of cost savings. Turning to Slide 5.

Operator

These initiatives are complemented by our thoughtful approach to capital redeployment, including through increased shareholder distributions. Last month, When announcing our agreement to sell the full service retirement business, we increased our share repurchase authorization by an additional 500,000,000 our 2nd increase of this amount since the beginning of 2021. This brings our Total shareholder distributions to a targeted $11,000,000,000 through the end of 2023, up from the $10,000,000,000 target we initially identified earlier this year. Year to date, we've returned $2,200,000,000 to shareholders, including $1,300,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, comprised of $875,000,000 in share buybacks and $460,000,000 in dividend payments. In addition, consistent with our disciplined approach to capital management and guided by our philosophy of being prudent stewards of shareholder capital, We intend to reduce leverage and enhance our financial flexibility by redeeming $900,000,000 of outstanding debt in the 3rd quarter.

Operator

Meanwhile, we are being disciplined in executing on our programmatic M and A opportunities as we have done in the past with a focus on higher growth areas including asset management and emerging markets. As evidence of this, Earlier this year, our Africa joint venture partner closed on a minority stake in ICEA Lion Holdings, a highly respected financial service market leader in Kenya with operations in Tanzania and Uganda. More recently in July, PGIM announced a deal to acquire Montana Capital Partners, a European based private equity secondaries asset manager, which will enhance PGIM's capabilities and further expand its $250,000,000,000 alternatives platform. These transactions are consistent with our strategy to add capabilities in PGIM and deepen our presence in emerging markets, enhancing our growth opportunity. Our capital deployment is supported by our rock solid balance sheet, including highly liquid assets of $4,900,000,000 at the end of the second quarter and AA Financial Strength Capital levels at our primary business subsidiaries.

Operator

Before turning it over to Rob, I'd like to provide an update on our environmental, social and governance commitments, which are integral to our business strategy and purpose of solving the financial challenges of our changing world. This quarter, I'll focus on our environmental commitments. Last month, We took an important next step to integrate our ESG and financial frameworks with the renewal of a standing $4,000,000,000 credit facility, which now directly links our financing costs to our progress in meeting previously established sustainability targets. These targets include reducing our greenhouse gas emissions as well as improving diverse representation among our senior regs. We also continue to make strong progress against other goals outlined in our 2019 global environmental commitment, including investing in sustainable companies and projects, issuing our inaugural green bond last year, and by providing greater transparency around our general account investment allocations.

Operator

We are also reducing our reliance on paper documentation, both internally and in the volume of letters and other mailings shared with our customers. In partnership with American Forests, we aspire to significantly reduce Our paper use by the end of 2022. We are committed to ensuring that sustainability runs through everything we do at Prudential. This also includes fulfilling the 9 commitments to advanced racial equity that we established 1 year ago this week, which are in addition to our ongoing the equity and inclusion efforts. I look forward to updating you next quarter on the progress of this work as well as on our other social commitments.

Operator

With that, I'll turn it over to Rob for more specific details on our business performance.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Charlie. I'll provide an overview of our financial results and business performance for PGIM, U. S. And International Businesses. I'll begin on Slide 6 with our financial results for the Q2.

Speaker 3

Our pre tax adjusted operating income was $1,900,000,000 or $3.79 per share on an after tax basis and reflected the benefit of strong markets, business growth and lower than typical expenses, which exceeded the net mortality impacts from COVID-nineteen. PGIM, our global asset manager had record asset management fees driven by record account values of $1,500,000,000,000 that were offset by lower other related revenues driven by a decrease in seed and co investment income and higher expenses supporting business growth. Our U. S. Business results were more than double the year ago quarter and reflected higher net investment spread results driven by higher variable investment income, higher fee income primarily driven by equity market appreciation and a more favorable impact from our annual assumption update, partially offset by less favorable underwriting experience driven by COVID-nineteen related mortality.

Speaker 3

And earnings in our international business have increased 16%, reflecting continued business growth, higher net investment spread results, Lower expenses and a more favorable impact of the annual assumption update. This increase was partially offset by lower earnings from required Co investment in our Chilean pension joint venture and less favorable underlying results primarily driven by higher COVID-nineteen claims in Brazil. Turning to Slide 7. PGIM continues to demonstrate the strength of its diversified active management platform as a top 10 global investment manager. Pizzom's diversified global investment capabilities in both public and private asset classes across fixed income, Alternatives, real estate and equities position us favorably to capture flows.

Speaker 3

In addition, Pizzum's investment performance remains attractive With more than 93% of assets under management outperforming their benchmarks over the last 3, 5 10 year periods. Our diversified capabilities and strong investment performance helped contribute to more than $5,000,000,000 of third party net flows during the quarter, driven by continued strong public fixed income flows with $5,600,000,000 of institutional flows, partially offset by modest retail outflows. These retail outflows reflected continued positive inflows into PGIM's mutual funds offset by outflows from sub advisory mandates in U. S. Equities.

Speaker 3

As the investment engine of Prudential, PGIM benefits from a mutually beneficial relationship with our U. S. And international insurance businesses. PGIM's asset origination capabilities and investment management expertise provide a competitive advantage helping our businesses to bring enhanced solutions and more value to our customers. And our businesses in turn provide a source of growth for PGIM through affiliated flows that complement a successful 3rd party track record of growth.

Speaker 3

Fusion's asset management fees increased 16%

Speaker 1

compared to

Speaker 3

the year ago quarter to a record level as a result of market appreciation and continued positive third party net flows. This contributed to Pzen's adjusted operating margin of 33%, which is above our expectation of 30% across the cycle. Now turning to Slide 8. Our U. S.

Speaker 3

Businesses produce diversified earnings from fees, net investment spread and underwriting income and benefit from our complementary mix of longevity and mortality businesses. We continue to strengthen our businesses, transform our structure and expand our addressable markets, while shifting away from low growth, capital intensive and interest rate sensitive products and businesses. Our product pivots have worked well, demonstrated by continued strong sales of our buffered annuity FlexGuard, which were $1,500,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, representing 87% of total individual annuity sales. Over the past 3 quarters, FlexCart sales have totaled $4,300,000,000 These sales reflect customer demand for investment solutions that offer the potential for appreciation from equity markets combined with downside protection. We have exercised discipline through frequent pricing actions and our sales continue to benefit from having a strong and trusted brand and highly effective distribution team.

Speaker 3

Our individual life sales continue to be strong with higher variable life sales Insurance financial wellness capabilities are core to our business success and continue to differentiate our value With respect to In insurance, total revenues are up 92% over the prior year quarter. I would also note that similar to last year, we plan to increase the number of agents in the Q3 to help meet the seasonally Higher expected demand of the Medicare annual enrollment period that occurs in the Q4. Turning to Slide 9. Our international Businesses include our Japanese life insurance operation where we have a differentiated multi channel distribution model as well as other operations focused on high growth markets. Sales across both Life Planner and Gibraltar operations held up well amidst the state of emergency in Japan.

Speaker 3

LifePlan sales were 49% higher than the year ago quarter, Gibraltar sales were 33% higher

Speaker 4

than the prior year.

Speaker 3

We remain encouraged the resiliency of our unique distribution capabilities, which have helped to continue to drive our business. Over to Ken.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Rob. I'll begin on Slide 10, which provides insight into earnings for the Q3 of 2021 relative to our Q2 results. Pre tax adjusted operating income in the 2nd quarter was $1,900,000,000 and resulted in earnings per share of $3.79 on an after To get a sense of how our 3rd quarter results might develop, we suggest adjustments for the following items. First, our annual assumption update and other refinements resulted in a net charge of $34,000,000 in the 2nd quarter. Next, Variable investment income outperformed expectations in the 2nd quarter by $365,000,000 3rd, underwriting experience is adjusted by a net 30,000,000 This adjustment includes a placeholder for COVID-nineteen claims experience in the Q3 of $25,000,000 for our U.

Speaker 5

S. Businesses based on 30,000 COVID-nineteen related fatalities in the U. S. And $20,000,000 for our international businesses. While we have provided this placeholder for COVID-nineteen related underwriting experience for the Q3, the actual impact will depend on a variety of factors such as infection and fatality rates, geographic concentration and the continued acceptance and effectiveness of the vaccine.

Speaker 5

4th, we expect earnings will be lower in the 3rd quarter by $290,000,000 primarily due to the timing of expenses between the 2nd and third quarters and a make whole fee of approximately $90,000,000 associated with the previously announced redemption of $900,000,000 of in the Q3. This also includes the reduction in adjusted operating income from the sale of our full service business, which will be reclassified to a divested business as well as retained costs that will be reported in corporate and other. Last, we anticipate net investment income will be reduced by about 10,000,000 reflecting the difference between new money rates and disposition yields of our investment portfolio. These items combined get us to a baseline of $2.59 per share for the Q3. I'll note that if we exclude items specific to the Q3, earnings per share would be $3 The key takeaway is that our underlying earnings power has increased from last quarter as the benefits from business growth, our cost savings program and Provided these items considered, please note that there may be other factors that affect earnings per share in the Q3.

Speaker 5

I would also note That with the debt make whole fee and retained cost of full service, we now expect the full year of 2021 corporate and other loss to be about 1 point $65,000,000,000 Turning to Slide 11. We continue to maintain a robust capital position and adequate sources of funding. Our capital position continues to support a AA financial strength rating and we have substantial sources of funding. Our Cash and liquid assets were $4,900,000,000 which is greater than 3 times annual fixed charges. And other sources of Funds include free cash flow from our businesses and other contingent capital facilities.

Speaker 5

The redemption of debt, as previously mentioned, will complete our plan to reduce financial leverage in 2021 and generate annual interest savings of approximately $30,000,000 while also enhancing our financial flexibility Now I'll turn it to the operator for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. And first, we'll go to the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning. Could you provide an update on your progress towards a variable annuity transaction? And also, I think in the past, You had commented that the market tended to be interested in $1,000,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 inside VA transactions. Also curious if that's still the case.

Speaker 4

Hi, Ryan. Good morning. It's Andy. I'll take your question. So let me start by reiterating what Charlie said in his prepared remarks at the top.

Speaker 4

We are committed to significantly reducing the earnings contribution from traditional variable annuities with guaranteed living benefits. And as you remember, we talked about this as a 2 step process. Step 1 is runoff, and we expect about 40% to 45% of the earnings reduction will come from runoff. And we're Executing on what we consider to be a highly successful pivot. If you look at this quarter, we had 0% of our sales in those legacy Those traditional variable annuities and we experienced $3,800,000,000 in runoff in those products in the quarter.

Speaker 4

And we've pivoted to products that are much better balanced consumer value with shareholder value And obviously FlexGuard being the chassis product there, where we saw a 17% market share in the first Quarter and we were the number 2 provider of index variable annuity. So step 1 is all about runoff. Now having said that, step 2 is a Transaction and conducting a transaction does remain a priority for us. We have work in progress and we're progressing that work forward. As you noted, I would say the $1,000,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 range, if you look at the transactions that have been done in the marketplace, is a good precedent.

Speaker 4

And I would say that we continue to see tailwinds of capital coming towards the space. As As we've articulated before, we have a very high quality block of business. As always, as we continue to progress, we're going to be disciplined to make sure we only do things that are shareholder friendly and have the right economics, much like you saw us do with the Full service transaction. So we're going to keep moving down the tracks and we will share when we have something more to share.

Speaker 6

Thank you. And a follow-up is other than variable annuities, what you've already said there and the full service retirement Are there any other businesses that you'd consider divesting at this point?

Operator

Yes. Hi, Ryan. It's Charlie. As Andy said and as I said in my opening remarks, we're making significant progress, I think executing on becoming a higher growth, less market sensitive and more nimble business. And this includes the announced full service sale, but also the completed sales of some of the things we've done before, including the sale of our Korea, Taiwan, Italy and Poland.

Operator

So we'll continue to pursue opportunities to reduce the size of our legacy block, As Andy said, of traditional variable annuities with guaranteed living benefits. But as we've noted in the past, we're looking at life insurance blocks of business as well. So we've accomplished a significant amount, but we still have a lot more work to do. And we're going to be very thoughtful about how we execute on the doable goals of fulfilling our purpose on the one hand and creating value for shareholders on the other.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Erik Bass with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, thank you. Lastly, we saw another jumbo PRT transaction and one of your competitors is talking about this being potentially a record year for industry volumes and Prudential has historically been the dominant competitor in the jumbo market, but now we've seen some others take the lead. So I was just hoping you could talk about your appetite for PRT business going forward and the competitive dynamics in the market currently.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Eric. This is Andy. I'll take your question. Ignacio, we absolutely have been a pioneer and a leader in the space of pension risk transfer.

Speaker 4

We have a great brand. We have very strong And we believe that we have a unique and distinguished track record of execution. We also are seeing strong market opportunity. The Kit size in the second quarter was about $4,500,000,000 That was similar to what we saw in the first quarter. We expect the back half of the year to be very healthy.

Speaker 4

If you look at the average funding rate is 99% and sponsors still have a high desire to transact. That being said, this has become a more competitive market, both from the perspective of the number of competitors competing in it, But also the number of competitors that are seeking larger deals. So very consistent to what we've told you in the past, we're going to be disciplined in our approach And we're going to pick our spots and that is what you're seeing from us and you should expect to see quarter to quarter variation. But if you combine the strong pipeline that we see going forward with the strength of our business, number 1, we We feel comfortable we could take this approach. And number 2, we expect that we'll be a net winner over time and experience good flows.

Speaker 8

Thank you. And then for next question is, you highlighted two examples of programmatic M and A that you've done year to date. Can you give a sense of how capital was allocated to these transactions? And will deals of this size be enough to meet your capital reallocation targets? Or do you expect potentially do something bigger?

Operator

Yes, I'll jump in on that one. We're not going to talk about the specific size of some of these transactions. But it is fair to say that we are taking a very disciplined And balanced approach to M and A and that the and that with programmatic M and A, you can expect us to do more of This type of deal going forward.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we'll go to Humphrey Lee with Dowling and Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. Just to follow-up on M and A. I understand some of the transactions you've done year to date. But just thinking about the impact of the Full service sale and the stranded costs being left behind. Is the priority going to be something focused more on the mature businesses that provide more solid earnings so that you can to absorb and offset the stranded costs from the foodservice sale?

Operator

Yes. Humphrey, it's Charlie. Let me take that one. First of all, again, we're going to take a very disciplined and balanced approach to this. But when we think about acquisitions, we think about them both from a strategic and a financial Perspective, right.

Operator

So from a strategic perspective, we look to add capabilities such as product or distribution or increased scale in a market or country. And from a financial standpoint, we look at a variety of metrics when assessing potential acquisitions and that can be earnings contribution, it can be growth, it's going to be a number of But most importantly, our focus is on becoming a higher growth, less market sensitive and more nimble business. And we're going to continue to be very thoughtful and disciplined about how we execute with the goal of creating value for shareholders.

Speaker 5

Maybe, Charlie, I'll just add. In terms of, Humphrey, what you described as stranded cost or the retained cost from the transaction, As we've sort of demonstrated across the company, we've made excellent progress in transforming our operations, But also including capabilities. We have an institutionalized process and structure and it's Accelerating our progress on our cost objectives. We're focused on meeting the cost saving objectives of $750,000,000 by 2023. And as we reallocate and redeploy capital, we'll look to reallocate overhead across our businesses as well.

Speaker 1

Got it. Shifting gears, so you talked about using some of the proceeds from the Fusar sale to lower your leverage. Can you just talk about the rationale behind the decision since the sale doesn't really trigger any issue with your leverage, especially given the expected gain from the sale.

Speaker 5

Yes. Humphrey, this is really part of our regular review of capital and liquidity profile. And given our current position, we thought it was a good time to redeem the debt. That redemption will have a near term earnings benefit, But it's also going to provide debt capacity and flexibility for the future. So it really just reflects we

Speaker 9

thought it

Speaker 5

was a good Way and a good time to reduce our debt in an efficient way.

Speaker 1

Okay. So I shouldn't read it as A potential VA transaction that may have an impact on your book value or you may be kind of more leaning towards lever up down the road, but interestingly, you'll kind of periodic your regular review and just finding is

Speaker 8

a good time right now.

Speaker 5

Yes, exactly. I wouldn't connect it directly to any specific transaction. It's we're overall regularly reviewing where we are And we thought it was a smart thing to do.

Speaker 1

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Andrew Kligerman with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. I'm thinking about Assurance IQ and that superb 92% Year over year growth in revenue. But then you had a loss pre tax of about $38,000,000 which was Up materially year over year. Could you talk a little bit about A, the growth rate, can you keep at this pace? And B, When might we think about a timeframe for when you get to breakeven?

Speaker 4

So thanks, Andrew. It's Andy. I'll take your question. As we've discussed in the past, we are very intentionally building out the business and the platform. And we're doing that because As we brought this business into Prudential, we saw just real opportunity and incredible customer demand.

Speaker 4

We saw again 7,000,000 shoppers in the quarter and we're looking at 100 of And we're looking at hundreds of thousands of policies that we're going to have sold. And these are customers that we would have never reached at Prudential, so very much part of expanding our addressable market. As you look at those investments, there is, I'll call The J curve to those investments where as we're adding agents as an example, they will become more and more productive over time. And a number of these investments are fixed expense. So that's why we say the predominant metric is scale.

Speaker 4

We have to scale up to, I'll use the word overcome that fixed expense. And we're seeing great progress. We're also very pleased with the $112,000,000 and the 92% growth rate. We believe that we have a lot of continued room in front of us to grow. To specifically answer your question, As to a specific timeframe around achieving the long term economics, we're not going to provide more exact guidance.

Speaker 7

Okay, fair. That was helpful. And the buffered annuity market, so now that was I I think 87% of your total segment sales there. Do you see a point where you could get to the volumes even of what you You were doing on the legacy products and how do you see the competition there? I mean it seems like a lot of players I've been jumping into the buffered annuity market.

Speaker 7

Is that going to kind of impede your growth?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks for the question on On the Buffered Annuity market and on FlexGuard, let me start by saying the driver of our success Has a lot to do with we're a very well established brand that's very well respected. We have just an outstanding And we came to market with a very differentiated product from the indexing Strategy perspective. All of that has enabled us to have one of the best launches in Probably the history of the industry, so we're very, very proud of it. The market itself is growing.

Speaker 4

So we're seeing more and more volume industry wide Shift from more traditional type product designs over to the index variable annuity area. And I would think of this as more of a chassis. It's really a pretty broad area of accumulation oriented products That have upside and downside buffering. So we see a good bit of room still to run. Having said that, we have at this time rolled it out to all of our 3rd party relationships and we're in all of our key geographies.

Speaker 4

So quite pleased with how we've done. As far as its ability to get to some of the very high levels that we So 5 to 10 years ago, I'm not going to put a prediction on that.

Speaker 1

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Our next question is from Tracy Vendigi with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thank you. I have another Assurance IQ question. It looks like there is a changing of the guard. I understand the original founders are not there anymore and have left before a potential earn out, which would have been on meeting Performance targets anyway. What is the new strategic direction under new management that we should anticipate?

Speaker 4

So thanks, Tracy. It's Andy. Let me hit the tail end of your question first. There is zero change in strategic direction or change in strategy With the Assurance platform and with Prudential and what we're trying to accomplish. As you would expect, we have been adding to the team and deepening the talent as The business matures.

Speaker 4

You rightly identify at the top of the house, Mike Rowell, a Founder, has moved over to a strategic advisor role to me. That enables me to take a broader use of his experience and expertise. In addition to that, we promoted Alison Arzeno, who was the Chief Data scientist to be the CEO. I'm very excited by that. She is a fantastic leader and has jumped in and has It continued the momentum.

Speaker 4

The other thing I mentioned is we've been very pleased that through the combination of Prudential's brand and the unique and attractiveness Of the Assurance platform, we've been able to attract top, top industry talent, specific for specifically for our product P and L role. So as an example, We recruited a gentleman by the name of Chris Hakim, who has deep health expertise, both in core health, But also was a key leader at eHealth and he's leading our under 65 health and Medicare Advantage. So we're pleased with the talent situation and we're That we have the right team and the right talent to take it forward.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Maybe moving on to your assumption update, I I believe that you did not change your long term rate assumption and I get that interest rates are at a higher spot now than this time last year. But I guess my thinking was that insurers would So want to grade into lower version of the main assumptions to prepare for LDTI. Is that part of your thinking at all or is it more Near term when you conducted your review.

Speaker 5

Hey, Tracy, it's Ken. As you know and we've talked about, we have a very established process for setting our long term rate assumptions. And in doing so, we look at a variety of forecasts for long term rates, both internally and externally. And when we did that this year, we saw very little movement in those forecasts. And therefore, we didn't Didn't see it appropriate to change our long term rate assumptions.

Speaker 5

So we look at it very consistently the way we've done it in the past. In terms of long duration target improvements, that's still a year and a half away. We're making great progress in implementing that And we'll be ready to adopt that on time, but it won't be a transition. It's an adoption date And that's the method that we think is appropriate.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we'll go to Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey, Charlie. When you mentioned you were looking at life insurance risk transfer deals as well as VA, Can you provide a little bit of color on the process here? Is that a dual track process where you're Sort of simultaneously looking at both VA and Life deals. So you could get Either our transaction and the timing is unclear between the 2 or any way of sort of handicapping whether You're more likely to do life insurance over VA first. And then just relatedly, now that you do have Those two lines we're looking specifically at doing risk transfer on, are we now looking closer to maybe the high end of the $5,000,000,000 to $10,000,000,000 of freeing up of capital that you guys had laid out.

Operator

So let me start and then Rob can elaborate. So right now we said that we're at sort of $4,200,000,000 if you include Korea, Taiwan and the full service business. We won't make predictions. We said 5 to 10 because we're going to take a very prudent approach to doing this. We don't have To do anything, but if it makes sense for shareholders, we will do things and we'll see where we fall out in there, but that's an intentionally wide band.

Operator

In terms of annuities versus life insurance, I think we have said that we are focused on Annuities right now, but we will also think about life insurance as we go forward. Rob, do you want to add to that?

Speaker 3

Yes. Just, Tom, we have distinct teams focused on each of those initiatives. But as Charlie indicated, The more important initiative from the standpoint of the impact we believe on valuation to shareholders and overall valuation of the company is to get The VA transaction done first. And so it's been a priority, but not necessarily to the detriment of having resources that are dedicated to looking at the opportunities within the life sector as well.

Speaker 11

Okay, that's helpful guys. Thanks. Just a quick follow-up. Based on the guidance you've given out for 3Q, it looks like you're estimating virtually all of the COVID impacts are going to come on group and not individual life. Is that what you saw in this quarter also and you could provide a A little color about what you're seeing from COVID impacts for group versus individual.

Speaker 4

Yes. Tom, it's Andy. I'll take your question. So we saw in 2nd quarter COVID mortality impacts in both individual life insurance and group insurance. And going forward, for 3Q, similarly, overall, we estimate that we will continue to see impact From COVID mortality in both Group Insurance and Life.

Speaker 4

But I would note that that COVID impact and trend is beginning to moderate as we go And into 3Q. I think what you're picking up there in ILI is the COVID impact is being partially offset by The fact that Q3 is the highest quarter for our seasonal underwriting results. So that's why that looks a little different in the exhibit.

Speaker 12

And Tom, this is Scott. On the international front, we're continuing to see Really modest impacts across the board in Japan. We are seeing more of our impact in our Brazil operations and similar To the U. S, we are seeing a mix across both group and individual lines.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

And next we go to Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question, when you guys announced the full service sale, you did up your buyback by $500,000,000 This year, so as we think about additional transactions with CDA and perhaps life insurance, should we think about Some portion of the capital potentially going to incremental repurchases as well as for the M and A bucket?

Operator

Yes, Elyse, it's Charlie. I'll take your question. We've said all along we want to be good stewards of capital. And we have and will continue to demonstrate disciplined and a balanced approach to the redeployment of capital within our businesses and to our So that's the overriding concept. And to date, we've already returned a significant amount of capital to shareholders.

Operator

We've Turned over $2,000,000,000 and have increased both the dividend and the share repurchase authorization. So we plan over the next 3 years or through the end of 2023 to return $11,000,000,000 of capital. But stepping back, let me share with you how we think about capital allocation and in particular Optimization of that capital, because we look across all our businesses, both domestically and internationally, to ensure that we're optimizing capital deployment And we'll continue to look for ways to optimize that capital to maximize outcomes for shareholders. And as we've stated, To the extent we cannot find attractive capital deployment opportunities to meet our strategic and financial criteria, then we'll

Speaker 10

That's helpful. And then when we think About corporate costs, I guess I'm thinking more beyond 2020 2021, sorry, into 20222023. Can Can you give us a sense of how corporate costs could come in as we think about both implementation costs and how we should see those trending in the out years? And then also the And cost on the full service retirement business. So I know the guide was $1,500,000,000 and was right up this year, but how should we think about total

Speaker 5

Hey, Lisa, it's Ken. As I mentioned earlier, We're making great progress with our transformation effort, including gaining efficiencies and it is An ongoing and institutionalized and continuous improvement process at this point. So We continue to expect to make progress towards our $750,000,000 cost savings objective by 2023 and we think we're well on Track to continue with that. Again, as we reallocate capital and redeploy capital, we'll reallocate some of our overhead costs And you can expect that to continue as well. So overall, we continue to make good progress with our cost objectives.

Speaker 5

I think you should We expect us to be in key to make progress like we have in the past.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question is from John Barnidge with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you. With the group disability loss ratio coming down for 2 straight quarters, How should we be thinking about the relationship with the administrative expense ratio as that's been elevated for a few quarters to handle those increased cases?

Speaker 4

So thanks, John. It's Andy. Yes, as you rightly noted, we have We've had enhanced staffing levels in our group insurance business. We talked about this on previous quarters. Given the nature of the pandemic and the morbidity effects, we have seen an enhanced level of STD and absence claims And we've been maintaining higher staffing levels to make sure that we provide the right level of service.

Speaker 4

We also Have been making sure that we maintain our long term disability claims staff at higher levels. So you're definitely seeing that As a contributor to the elevated administrative ratio, the other thing I would mention is, and we've talked about this on previous conversations, We have entered into a strategic relationship with Accenture to do some of the operations for us and the nature of that, We are implementing that as we speak and there's some transition costs basically that are doubling up, but that's a one time effect. And over time, We expect everything we're doing in our group business will bring down the admin ratio as part of our transformation efforts.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then second question, have you developed a sense of maybe vaccination rates of insured life blocks versus that of the general population?

Speaker 5

Generally, John, we believe that the vaccination rate of the insured population is Higher than the general population. And that reflects a variety of factors between age, Geography and a number of things. But yes, we generally feel that the insured population has a higher vaccination rate.

Speaker 6

Thanks for the answers.

Operator

Next, we'll go to Jimmy Bhullar with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good morning. So first, I had

Speaker 2

a question on your Japan, your outlook for the operating environment in Japan. Your sales were obviously pretty strong in 2Q, but it was mostly because of easier comps. To what extent are you seeing an improvement And trends in the market as businesses are opening up versus sort of ongoing challenges given the increase in the case count in the country.

Speaker 12

Thanks, Jimmy. This is Scott. Yes. As you pointed out, current quarter sales were well ahead of the prior year, but that was significantly impacted by COVID really ramping up at that time. But this quarter was only slightly below the Q1.

Speaker 12

And as you know, our typical first quarter sales are quite strong because that's This remains fluid, dynamic, whatever you want to call it. We are pretty pleased with our strong underlying business performance this quarter, Particularly considering the ongoing challenges of the global pandemic. The demand for our products remain Strong, I'd even say somewhat elevated because of awareness of threatening life issues. And we continue to focus in Japan on our needs Based selling approach and that's anchored by recurring premium debt protection. And then we add on to that supplemental other products like accident, Health and Retirement to meet our evolving customer needs.

Speaker 12

Our operations are also increasing and enhancing and adapting to the use Digital and virtual tools to support sales activities amid the social distancing Restrictions. So that maybe that's a longer answer than you wanted. I would say we feel pretty good about the level that we're at. We feel that we've adapted to the To the technology, I have to acknowledge that it is still difficult to recruit at past levels In both LPs and LCs amid the COVID environment. But right now, we feel pretty good, actually quite good about how the business is performing in Japan.

Speaker 2

Thanks. And on Assurance, when you'd announced the deal, I think you'd mentioned that there was the potential for up to $1,200,000,000 of earnouts. Can you discuss how results have tracked versus the metrics that the business would have had to hit for those for the earn out payments?

Speaker 5

Hey, Jimmy, it's Ken. When we set that earn out, you may recall that It was above what we said as a baseline for the performance of the business. It was to provide compensation if they were to exceed our original expectations. So that's the way we thought about when we did the deal and That continues to be the way that earn out is positioned.

Speaker 2

But you're not I'm assuming that you don't think That the likelihood of you having to pay anything out is high, right?

Speaker 5

Again, it was there to provide upside if they outperformed Our expectations and that's still the way it's designed.

Speaker 2

Okay. And when can you so when would you have Clarity on whether or not you're going to have to pay anything?

Speaker 5

It extends to the end of next year. So we're midway through it at this point.

Speaker 2

Okay. And based on the results so far, any color on like yes or no or Sort of happy.

Speaker 5

I think we've been pretty transparent with the results so far. They're separately disclosed. So you can evaluate them for yourself.

Speaker 2

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

And next we'll go to Mike Ward with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I was just wondering on the retirement segment net flows, there was some pressure. My understanding is that it's Being driven in part by some seasonality in PRT flows coming through mostly in the second half. So I guess What I'm just wondering is, should we be thinking about that phenomenon becoming more prevalent going forward with full service being divested?

Speaker 4

So Mike, it's Andy. I'll take your question. As I think you're aware, the PRT and LRT business, they're transaction oriented businesses, which means by definition on the sales Action oriented businesses, which means by definition on the sales inflow side that's going to be episodic. But on the outflow side, It's going to be more steady and consistent and we're obviously have pretty large blocks given our past success. So I do think it's right to think of that, that will produce quarter to quarter variation.

Speaker 4

But I would repeat what I said earlier on We are a pioneer and a leader in this. It has been quite competitive and we plan to be disciplined. But given the opportunities in front of us and Given the strength of our platform, we think over the long term we'll see good flows and we'll be in that winter.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks. That's helpful. And then I was just wondering about the organic earnings mix change within the transformation, specifically annuities. I know you've mentioned the natural VA Value running off, but just wondering what we should be thinking for the trend in the dollar amount of earnings from annuities organically?

Speaker 9

Do you have a placeholder that you use to Think about what you expect just from the trend in organic earnings from annuities ex any deals? Thanks.

Operator

So sorry. Andy, go ahead.

Speaker 4

Okay. So Mike, what I would say is we expect that, As we said, we're going to be very committed to reduce the earnings for traditional variable annuities and that the runoff effect is will produce 40% to 45 And obviously, we would look to do transactions to get the remainder of the impact.

Speaker 3

So, Mike, it's Rob. The I think the number that we've given out is that the legacy book runs off at about $3,000,000,000 a quarter. And so you can use that as a sort of a metric for thinking about that runoff against the sales that we're doing in our newer products, which are less market sensitive And very attractive from a return profile. You can look at the offset between those two to get a sense for How your earnings profile would run off absent anything happening with markets, obviously, which you've seen is despite that net run off. Our account values are up as a result

Operator

And with no further questions, I'll turn the call over to Charlie Lowrey for closing remarks. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you for joining us today. I hope our performance this year, the progress we're making on repositioning the portfolio, Advancing our cost savings program and our thoughtful consideration to capital deployment confirms that our strategy to transform Prudential remains on track.

Operator

We will continue to act with conviction and with speed to evolve our company and deliver greater financial opportunity to all of our stakeholders. We look forward to keeping you updated on our progress and thanks again for your time today. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes your conference call for today. You may now disconnect.

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