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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Cincinnati Financial EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.58Consensus EPS $1.48Beat/MissBeat by +$0.10One Year Ago EPS$1.37Cincinnati Financial Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.22 billionExpected Revenue$1.83 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$610.20 millionYoY Revenue Growth-45.40%Cincinnati Financial Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2022Date4/28/2022TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateFriday, April 29, 2022Conference Call Time1:09PM ETUpcoming EarningsCincinnati Financial's Q3 2026 earnings is estimated for Monday, October 26, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, October 27, 2026 at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Cincinnati Financial Q1 2022 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 29, 2022ShareShareShare This ReportLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Cincinnati reported a $273 million net loss in Q1 driven by a reduction in the fair value of its equity investment portfolio. The company posted a first‐quarter combined ratio of 89.9%, improving 1.3 points year‐over‐year, reflecting strong underwriting performance. Consolidated property & casualty net written premiums grew 12%, led by 8% growth in Commercial Lines, 11% in Personal Lines and 25% in Excess & Surplus Lines. The value creation ratio was down 6.9% for the quarter, as lower investment valuations contributed an 8.6‐point drag despite a 1.9‐point underwriting gain. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCincinnati Financial Q1 202200:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you all for standing by, and welcome to the CINF First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that all lines will be in listen-only mode until the question and answer session of today's conference. To ask a question over the phone by that time, you may press the star key followed by the number one. Please also note that today's call is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to your host, Dennis McDaniel, Investor Relations Officer. Sir, you may now begin. Dennis McDanielVP of Investor Relations at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:00:32Hello, this is Dennis McDaniel at Cincinnati Financial. Thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Late yesterday, we issued a news release on our results along with our supplemental financial package, including our quarter-end investment portfolio. To find copies of any of these documents, please visit our investor website, cinfin.com/investors. The shortest route to the information is the quarterly results link in the navigation menu on the far left. On this call, you'll first hear from Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer Steve Johnston, and then from Chief Financial Officer Mike Sewell. After their prepared remarks, investors participating on the call may ask questions. Dennis McDanielVP of Investor Relations at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:01:18At that time, some responses may be made by others in the room with us, including Chief Investment Officer Marty Hollenbeck, and Cincinnati Insurance's President, Steve Spray, Chief Claims Officer Marc Schambow, andc. First, please note that some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties. With respect to these risks and uncertainties, we direct your attention to our news release and to our various filings with the SEC. Also, a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures was provided with the news release. Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and therefore is not reconciled to GAAP. Now, I'll turn over the call to Steve. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:02:08Thank you, Dennis, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to hear more about our first quarter results. It was another quarter of good operating performance. Our agency-focused strategy led to profitable growth and reflects well on the skill and dedication of our associates and excellent relationships with terrific independent agents. We reported a net loss of $273 million for the quarter due to the recognition of a reduction in the fair value of securities held in our equity portfolio. Non-GAAP operating income for the first quarter of 2022 was up $31 million or 14% versus a year ago. Our 89.9% first quarter property casualty combined ratio was 1.3 percentage points better than last year's first quarter. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:03:01The current accident year loss and loss expense ratio before catastrophe loss effects rose slightly compared with accident year 2021 measured at three months, reflecting an increase in large losses for our property lines of business. We again managed our business to healthy levels of policy retention with meaningful average renewal price increases for each of our property casualty insurance segments. Policy retention rates for both commercial and personal lines improved from a year ago to the upper 80% range. Consolidated property casualty net written premiums rose 12% for the first quarter of 2022. Our pricing segmentation efforts continue to support what we believe is profitable growth as our underwriters work to retain and write more profitable accounts while taking appropriate action on opportunities that we determine have inadequate pricing. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:04:01We also believe renewal pricing during the first quarter was again ahead of our estimate for prospective loss cost trends for each property casualty segment. Our commercial lines insurance segment continued to experience estimated average renewal price increases in the mid-single digit percentage range, similar to the fourth quarter. In the first quarter, personal lines average renewal price increases slowed by a small amount compared to the fourth quarter, remaining in the low single digit range. Our excess and surplus lines insurance segment continued in the high single digit range. Our commercial lines segment grew first quarter 2022 net written premiums by 8% with a combined ratio of 92.3%. Our personal lines segment net written premium grew 11%, reflecting our continued planned expansion of high net worth business produced by our agencies. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:05:02The segment's first quarter combined ratio of 83.9% improved 17.2 percentage points from a year ago, driven by lower catastrophe losses. Our excess and surplus lines segment had an 85.9% combined ratio and continued strong growth with first quarter 2022 net written premiums rising by 25%. Cincinnati Re and Cincinnati Global each had a nice quarter with healthy growth. Cincinnati Re grew net written premiums by 30% for the first quarter of 2022, with a combined ratio in the mid-90% range. Cincinnati Global grew net written premiums by 24%, with a combined ratio also in the mid-90% range. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:05:54Our life insurance subsidiary generated first quarter 2022 net income of $10 million, matching last year's first quarter, and grew term life insurance earned premiums by 6%. I'll conclude with the value creation ratio, our primary measure of long-term financial performance. VCR was -6.9% for the quarter. While net income before investment gains or losses contributed 1.9 percentage points, lower investment valuations during the quarter resulted in the investment gains or losses component contributing -8.6 points. Now, our Chief Financial Officer, Mike Sewell, will highlight several other important aspects of our financial performance. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:06:42Thank you, Steve, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. Investment income again grew at a good pace, up 6% for the first quarter of 2022 compared with the same period a year ago. First quarter dividend income was up 12%, and net equity securities purchased totaled $34 million. Bond interest income grew 4% in the first quarter, while the pre-tax average yield of 4.01% for the quarter was down 13 basis points from a year ago. The average pre-tax yield for the total of purchased taxable and tax-exempt bonds during the first quarter of 2022 was 3.64%. We again purchased additional fixed maturity securities with net purchases during the quarter totaling $109 million. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:07:38Valuation changes for our investment portfolio during the first quarter of 2022 were unfavorable in aggregate for both our stock holdings and our bond holdings. Dollars before tax effects, including a net decrease of $746 million for unrealized gains in our bond portfolio. At the end of the first quarter, total investment portfolio net appreciated value was approximately $6.6 billion, including $46 million for our bond portfolio. Cash flow again helped to grow investment income. Cash flow from operating activities for the first quarter of 2022 generated $198 million compared to $354 million a year ago. Balancing strategic investments in our business with expense containment initiatives continues to be a priority. The first quarter 2022 property casualty underwriting expense ratio was 2.2 percentage points higher than last year. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:08:57Most of the increase was from higher accruals for profit-sharing commissions for agencies and related expenses. Regarding loss reserves, we aim for a consistent approach by targeting net amounts in the upper half of the actuarially estimated range of net loss and loss expense reserves. As we do each quarter, we consider new information such as paid losses and case reserves, and then updated estimate ultimate losses and loss expenses by accident year and line of business. During the first quarter of 2022, we experienced $41 million of property casualty net favorable development on prior accident years have benefited the combined ratio by 2.5 percentage points. In recent years, we've experienced significant growth in commercial umbrella coverage within our commercial casualty lines of business, including 16% in 2021 as industry pricing for umbrella has been strong. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:10:04Umbrella losses tend to be relatively infrequent with high severity, and we recently experienced an elevated level of large losses, particularly for accident year 2019. Due to increased uncertainty for our umbrella business, we strengthened reserves for certain accident years and estimated ultimate losses for accident year 2022 at what we believe is a prudent level. On an all lines basis by accident year, net reserve development for the quarter was favorable by $46 million for 2021, $24 million for 2022, unfavorable by $28 million for 2019, and unfavorable by $1 million in aggregate for accident years prior to 2019. Now let me turn to capital management. We continue to follow a consistent approach that includes share repurchases as part of maintenance intended to offset the issuance of shares through equity compensation plans. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:11:18However, changing circumstances or opportunities can influence us to repurchase more or less than historical averages. We believe that our quarter-end financial strength was excellent and provides ample financial flexibility. During the first quarter of 2022, we repurchased 375,000 shares at an average price per share of $120.05. I'll conclude my prepared remarks as I usually do with a summary of first quarter contributions to book value per share. They represent the main drivers of our value creation ratio. Property casualty underwriting increased book value by $0.81. Life insurance operations increased book value $0.06. Investment income other than life insurance and net of non-insurance items added $0.53. Net investment gains and losses for the fixed income portfolio decreased book value per share by $3.67. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:12:27Net investment gains and losses for the equity portfolio decreased book value by $3.33. We declared $0.69 per share in dividends to shareholders. The net effect was a book value decrease of $6.29 per share during the first quarter to $75.43 per share. Now I'll turn the call back over to Steve. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:12:55Thank you, Mike. It's satisfying to see the steady execution of our initiatives producing these strong results. March and April brought a return of business travel and a return of our headquarters associates working together in person. It's wonderful to see so many familiar faces in the hallway and to be able to get out from behind our desks to visit with agents and our field teams across the country. This return to a bit of normalcy has produced an energy you can feel across our organization, bringing with it lots of optimism for the future of Cincinnati Financial. As a reminder, with Mike and me today are Steve Spray, Marc Schambow, Marty Hollenbeck, and Teresa Hoffer. Jesse, please open the call for questions. Operator00:13:43Thank you, speakers. Participants, we will now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question over the phone, you may press the star key followed by the number one. To withdraw your request, you may press the pound key. Again, that's star one to ask a question or the pound key to withdraw your request. Speakers, our first question's from the line of Meyer Shields of KBW. Your line's now open. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:14:14Thanks. I apologize if you covered this. I didn't think I caught it, but there seems to have been a lot of losses above $1 million, like in the $1 million-$5 million range. Is that inflation or is that just random noise or anything else? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:14:33Meyer, this is Steve, and good question. We think it's more in the random noise category for this first quarter. Certainly inflation we're keeping a close eye on and so forth. It's you know, one quarter it was largely in our property lines and, you know, we will continue to keep close eye on, but we think it was more random noise and it did reflect about 4 points on the current accident year, you know, when comparing it to that 0.9% increase overall in the current accident year. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:15:10Okay. That's helpful. Second question. We've been seeing, I guess, some level of wage inflation, which is clearly helping, I guess, with workers' compensation premiums. Is it your sense that the impact on claim costs for indemnity are in line with that? Or is there any disparity with the premium and the loss impacts of higher wages? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:15:38Yeah, you know, we're keeping a close eye on that as well because, you know, with payroll being the exposure basis for workers' compensation, it should, you know, help on the premium side. Also we've got the inflation. You know, I think our, you know, we feel confident in our workers' comp book. It's the loss ratios have been rising as the competitive environment and the industry and NCCI have decreased rates. But we still feel, you know, good in terms of what we've done in terms of really, working workers' compensation down as a percentage of our overall commercial premium, but at the same time supporting agents and, on what we feel to be the best risk, the most, adequately priced risks. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:16:27Okay, thanks. If I can throw in one other real quick question. One of the competitors in the high net worth homeowner space has talked about double-digit loss trends there. Does that match what you're seeing in your book? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:16:41No, I don't think we've been seeing double-digit loss trends in our book. No. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:16:48Okay. I'm all set. Thank you so much. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:16:50We do feel good about the high net worth book. Thank you, Meyer. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:16:55Thank you. Operator00:16:59Speakers, next question is from the line of Mark Dwelle of RBC Capital Markets. Your line's now open. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:17:06Yeah, good morning. I've got a few questions. So Meyer kinda touched on it a little bit, but I guess the increase in the current accident year loss ratio in the commercial line segment is that primarily attributable to the number of large losses in the quarter, or is there kind of more at work beneath the surface there? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:17:32Yes. If we would break the commercial line segment down, the current accident year rose by 1.2 points, and the effect of large losses on that was 5.1 points. You know, well more than the amount of the total increase in the current accident year. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:17:55I mean, there must be some normalized kind of large loss load though that would be kind of embedded in a normal combined ratio. If your large losses were more like normal, would there have been a, I guess, two or three-point improvement, I guess, in the accident year loss ratio, kinda all else equal? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:18:21You know, that's a good question. I don't have it handy. We've got it, but the overview there. I can tell you for the quarter of the first quarter here of 2022, it was 8.6 points in total in large losses over $1 million for the current accident year. For the first quarter of 2021, it was 3.5. So that difference is the 5.1 that I just mentioned. I, you know, I feel it's more of a feeling right now, not having the numbers, but that 3.5 seems more normal, feels more normal. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:02Got it. Okay. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:19:02Mark. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:03Uh- Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:19:04Oh, I'm sorry. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:06Go ahead. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:19:07No, this is Steve Spray. Mark, I was just gonna add that, you know, it's normal process for us on it, on any large loss that we take a look at, you know, risk category, geography, you know, policy inception date, and agency or field marketing territory to see if we can see any trends or patterns, and we have not. Like Steve said, we feel it's one quarter. I think it's gonna be more important to look at it over a longer period of time, but it is something that we absolutely watch on a regular basis. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:44Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:19:47While we still have you, Mark, Dennis, as usual, is quick to help me out with the numbers. In terms of what we're seeing, I could turn you to page 65 of our Q. Or is it the K? Marty HollenbeckCIO and EVP at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:20:06I think K. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:20:06I'm sorry, the K. I would say a little bit higher than what I said, more in the 4% range. The last 2021 was for the current accident year losses above $1 million, 4.2, 3.6 for 2020, and 4.6% for 2019. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:20:29Okay. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:20:29We had another for that over $5 million. That was in the range of $1 million-$5 million, $1.8 million, $0.9 million, and $0.5 million respectively. You know, more in that, say $5 million-$5.5 million range, for that. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:20:48Okay. That's helpful. That definitely helps clarify kind of what a more normalized run rate might really look like. Second question, and I know this is a little bit of a long shot, but do you have any exposure to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, either via the Cincinnati Re or the Cincinnati Global book? I know historically you've written some aviation, but I didn't know if it was anything that might be impacted. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:21:17Yeah. It wouldn't be in aviation, but we have had a little bit of loss in CGU. It's about $5 million. So, you know, not a big amount to the organization. You know, really hearts go out to all the people there in Ukraine for the suffering that's going on. For Cincinnati Re, it's de minimis in terms of loss. We'll continue to keep an eye on it. About $5 million for us for the quarter in total. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:21:52Okay. That's helpful. Last question, I guess, kind of related to the investment portfolio. Do you have a sense of, you know, about how much of your portfolio might mature and roll over the course of, say, the next, you know, 12 months or the balance of 2022? I'm really just trying to get a sense of, you know, kind of what portion of the fixed income portfolio will have the opportunity to renew at, you know, the relatively higher new money rates that we're all seeing right now. Marty HollenbeckCIO and EVP at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:22:27Yeah, Mark, I do actually have that information. This is looking the balance of 2022, about 4.4% of the portfolio, 2023, 6.3%. 2024 jumps to 8%, and then 2025, 9.3%. Book yields on that ranges from 3.7 up to about 4.5 in 2025. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:22:54Okay. That's helpful. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:22:59Thank you, Mark. Operator00:23:03Again, participants, it's star one to ask a question over the phone or the pound key to withdraw your request. Speakers, your next question is from the line of John Heagney of Dowling & Partners. Your line's now open. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:23:16Morning. I had a question on your multi-year policies in commercial. How does that impact your ability to reprice for the inflation we're seeing over the past three to four months? Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:23:31Yeah. John, Steve Spray. Yeah. We're committed to that three-year policy. We think it's important to our agents and our policyholders. It's consistent with our, you know, our desire to have long-term relationships. When we can get an adequate rate for the risk terms and conditions, we're keen to offer a three-year policy on our commercial packages. Now, just so you know on that, too, or maybe to give you more color, what that does is that really locks in the rate for the property, the general liability, the crime, and the inland marine coverages. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:24:12I would say this to you, too, is every year, whether it be those policies that are renewing off of a 3-year or the coverages that are subject to annual adjustment, about 75% of our commercial premiums are subject to an anniversary adjustment, even with that 3-year policy. Does that make sense? John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:24:33Yeah. Essentially, I have a three-year rate, but I can adjust it for the change in TIV. That would be an inflation adjustment on an annual basis. Does that make sense? Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:24:46Yeah. You can adjust it. Yeah, you can adjust it for inflation on TIV. Right now that's. We're running that in the high single digits. You also, you know, say your general liability, which would typically have an, you know, your exposure, your premiums are based off of gross sales or payroll. As those increase, the premium goes up. It's just that the rate is locked in. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:25:12Right. Okay. How much of your portfolio overall is multi-year? If I just think of it, you know, crudely in terms of net premium written in commercial. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:25:22Yeah. It's about 60% of our policy count. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:25:27Okay. The next question I had on CGU and then with your new delegated authority into Lloyd's, how much business is that MGA putting through to your own syndicate versus putting through to other syndicates at Lloyd's? I'm just trying to get a sense for how big that delegated authority business could be because obviously you have a limit on your capacity at Lloyd's in your syndicate, but if you're writing elsewhere, it would seem that you have a bigger underwriting capability at least for your agents. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:26:11Right. Sure, John, good question. We're just with our first coverage that we are handling through the delegated authority, and it's a deductible buydown. For that particular product, and especially given it's our first, it will be for our syndicate. As we look to future and rolling out additional coverages, we would open it up to partnerships with other syndicates over there. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:26:38Got it. I'm asking that a little bit too far in advance in terms of where you are. Then finally, just one last kind of numbers question. E&S, how much of your E&S business is written with a standard insurance contract? I'm just trying to get a sense of how much your agents are leveraging that platform for the standard commercial product they're also offering. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:27:11Yeah. John, Steve Spray. About 50% of the time when our E&S company writes coverage, Cincinnati Insurance Company writes business on the standard side. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:27:25Okay. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:27:27It's a high percentage. It's key to what we do. It works really well for the agents. You know, I could get into a lot of detail, having the same claims rep, actually having the same resources at Cincinnati Insurance Company for our agents and for those policyholders, whether it's admitted or non-admitted, is a big, big deal. We're trying to do more and more of it. You can see with the growth and the profitability in CSU, both have been extremely strong. We feel really good about where that is going forward. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:28:03The rest of the book there, that's not wholesale market stuff, right? That's still giving retail agents better access to the E&S market. Is my understanding correct there? Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:28:17Well, that is correct. That's exactly right. CSU, our E&S carrier and our wholly owned subsidiary brokerage, what we call CSU, only provides access to retail agents of Cincinnati Insurance Company to our non-admitted offering. We do not, you know, our in-house brokerage does not place business in the broader E&S market. I think that might have been part of your question at the end. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:28:47Yeah. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:28:47It's only with our own non-admitted carrier and only for licensed and appointed agents of Cincinnati Insurance Company. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:28:55Right. Yeah. No, I was getting at, so the strategy is really geared towards making life easier for all your agents. It's just an agent-centric strategy. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:29:03Absolutely. Everything we do. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:29:05Yeah. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:29:05Yes. Everything we do is agency-centric. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:29:09That's it for me. Thanks, guys, and enjoy the weekend. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:29:14Thanks, John. You too. Operator00:29:18Thank you, participants. I'll now turn the call back over to Mr. Steve Johnston for final remarks. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:29:25Thank you, Jesse, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. We hope to see some of you at our annual meeting of shareholders on Saturday, May 7, at the Cincinnati Art Museum. You're also welcome to listen to our webcast of the meeting available at cinfin.com/investors. We look forward to speaking with you again on our second quarter call. Have a great day. Operator00:29:51This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDennis McDanielVP of Investor RelationsMarty HollenbeckCIO and EVPMike SewellCFO, EVP, and TreasurerSteve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEOAnalystsJohn HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners SecuritiesMark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital MarketsMeyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & WoodsSteve SprayPresident at Cincinnati InsurancePowered by Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Cincinnati Financial Earnings HeadlinesCincinnati Financial Extends Key Credit Facility MaturitySeptember 28 at 11:31 AM | tipranks.comCincinnati Financial (CINF) Declares Dividend As Undervalued Narrative Faces A Tougher Cash Flow ViewSeptember 24, 2026 | finance.yahoo.comManagement just bought 2.8 million sharesManagement just backed a $100 million buyback, repurchasing 2.8 million shares at an average price of $35.26 in one quarter. 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Email Address About Cincinnati FinancialCincinnati Financial (NASDAQ:CINF) is an insurance holding company headquartered in Fairfield, Ohio. Founded in 1950 by four independent insurance agents, the company markets its products primarily through a network of independent agencies. Its principal business is property and casualty insurance, including commercial coverage for businesses, workers’ compensation, commercial auto, homeowners insurance, personal auto insurance and other personal lines. The company also offers excess and surplus lines coverage for specialized or higher-risk exposures. Through its Cincinnati Life Insurance Company subsidiary, it provides life insurance, annuities and related financial products. Cincinnati Financial serves individuals and businesses across much of the United States, with insurance operations concentrated in the property and casualty markets. The company also manages an investment portfolio associated with its insurance operations. Steven J. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Thank you all for standing by, and welcome to the CINF First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that all lines will be in listen-only mode until the question and answer session of today's conference. To ask a question over the phone by that time, you may press the star key followed by the number one. Please also note that today's call is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to your host, Dennis McDaniel, Investor Relations Officer. Sir, you may now begin. Dennis McDanielVP of Investor Relations at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:00:32Hello, this is Dennis McDaniel at Cincinnati Financial. Thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2022 earnings conference call. Late yesterday, we issued a news release on our results along with our supplemental financial package, including our quarter-end investment portfolio. To find copies of any of these documents, please visit our investor website, cinfin.com/investors. The shortest route to the information is the quarterly results link in the navigation menu on the far left. On this call, you'll first hear from Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer Steve Johnston, and then from Chief Financial Officer Mike Sewell. After their prepared remarks, investors participating on the call may ask questions. Dennis McDanielVP of Investor Relations at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:01:18At that time, some responses may be made by others in the room with us, including Chief Investment Officer Marty Hollenbeck, and Cincinnati Insurance's President, Steve Spray, Chief Claims Officer Marc Schambow, andc. First, please note that some of the matters to be discussed today are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties. With respect to these risks and uncertainties, we direct your attention to our news release and to our various filings with the SEC. Also, a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures was provided with the news release. Statutory accounting data is prepared in accordance with statutory accounting rules and therefore is not reconciled to GAAP. Now, I'll turn over the call to Steve. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:02:08Thank you, Dennis, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to hear more about our first quarter results. It was another quarter of good operating performance. Our agency-focused strategy led to profitable growth and reflects well on the skill and dedication of our associates and excellent relationships with terrific independent agents. We reported a net loss of $273 million for the quarter due to the recognition of a reduction in the fair value of securities held in our equity portfolio. Non-GAAP operating income for the first quarter of 2022 was up $31 million or 14% versus a year ago. Our 89.9% first quarter property casualty combined ratio was 1.3 percentage points better than last year's first quarter. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:03:01The current accident year loss and loss expense ratio before catastrophe loss effects rose slightly compared with accident year 2021 measured at three months, reflecting an increase in large losses for our property lines of business. We again managed our business to healthy levels of policy retention with meaningful average renewal price increases for each of our property casualty insurance segments. Policy retention rates for both commercial and personal lines improved from a year ago to the upper 80% range. Consolidated property casualty net written premiums rose 12% for the first quarter of 2022. Our pricing segmentation efforts continue to support what we believe is profitable growth as our underwriters work to retain and write more profitable accounts while taking appropriate action on opportunities that we determine have inadequate pricing. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:04:01We also believe renewal pricing during the first quarter was again ahead of our estimate for prospective loss cost trends for each property casualty segment. Our commercial lines insurance segment continued to experience estimated average renewal price increases in the mid-single digit percentage range, similar to the fourth quarter. In the first quarter, personal lines average renewal price increases slowed by a small amount compared to the fourth quarter, remaining in the low single digit range. Our excess and surplus lines insurance segment continued in the high single digit range. Our commercial lines segment grew first quarter 2022 net written premiums by 8% with a combined ratio of 92.3%. Our personal lines segment net written premium grew 11%, reflecting our continued planned expansion of high net worth business produced by our agencies. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:05:02The segment's first quarter combined ratio of 83.9% improved 17.2 percentage points from a year ago, driven by lower catastrophe losses. Our excess and surplus lines segment had an 85.9% combined ratio and continued strong growth with first quarter 2022 net written premiums rising by 25%. Cincinnati Re and Cincinnati Global each had a nice quarter with healthy growth. Cincinnati Re grew net written premiums by 30% for the first quarter of 2022, with a combined ratio in the mid-90% range. Cincinnati Global grew net written premiums by 24%, with a combined ratio also in the mid-90% range. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:05:54Our life insurance subsidiary generated first quarter 2022 net income of $10 million, matching last year's first quarter, and grew term life insurance earned premiums by 6%. I'll conclude with the value creation ratio, our primary measure of long-term financial performance. VCR was -6.9% for the quarter. While net income before investment gains or losses contributed 1.9 percentage points, lower investment valuations during the quarter resulted in the investment gains or losses component contributing -8.6 points. Now, our Chief Financial Officer, Mike Sewell, will highlight several other important aspects of our financial performance. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:06:42Thank you, Steve, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. Investment income again grew at a good pace, up 6% for the first quarter of 2022 compared with the same period a year ago. First quarter dividend income was up 12%, and net equity securities purchased totaled $34 million. Bond interest income grew 4% in the first quarter, while the pre-tax average yield of 4.01% for the quarter was down 13 basis points from a year ago. The average pre-tax yield for the total of purchased taxable and tax-exempt bonds during the first quarter of 2022 was 3.64%. We again purchased additional fixed maturity securities with net purchases during the quarter totaling $109 million. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:07:38Valuation changes for our investment portfolio during the first quarter of 2022 were unfavorable in aggregate for both our stock holdings and our bond holdings. Dollars before tax effects, including a net decrease of $746 million for unrealized gains in our bond portfolio. At the end of the first quarter, total investment portfolio net appreciated value was approximately $6.6 billion, including $46 million for our bond portfolio. Cash flow again helped to grow investment income. Cash flow from operating activities for the first quarter of 2022 generated $198 million compared to $354 million a year ago. Balancing strategic investments in our business with expense containment initiatives continues to be a priority. The first quarter 2022 property casualty underwriting expense ratio was 2.2 percentage points higher than last year. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:08:57Most of the increase was from higher accruals for profit-sharing commissions for agencies and related expenses. Regarding loss reserves, we aim for a consistent approach by targeting net amounts in the upper half of the actuarially estimated range of net loss and loss expense reserves. As we do each quarter, we consider new information such as paid losses and case reserves, and then updated estimate ultimate losses and loss expenses by accident year and line of business. During the first quarter of 2022, we experienced $41 million of property casualty net favorable development on prior accident years have benefited the combined ratio by 2.5 percentage points. In recent years, we've experienced significant growth in commercial umbrella coverage within our commercial casualty lines of business, including 16% in 2021 as industry pricing for umbrella has been strong. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:10:04Umbrella losses tend to be relatively infrequent with high severity, and we recently experienced an elevated level of large losses, particularly for accident year 2019. Due to increased uncertainty for our umbrella business, we strengthened reserves for certain accident years and estimated ultimate losses for accident year 2022 at what we believe is a prudent level. On an all lines basis by accident year, net reserve development for the quarter was favorable by $46 million for 2021, $24 million for 2022, unfavorable by $28 million for 2019, and unfavorable by $1 million in aggregate for accident years prior to 2019. Now let me turn to capital management. We continue to follow a consistent approach that includes share repurchases as part of maintenance intended to offset the issuance of shares through equity compensation plans. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:11:18However, changing circumstances or opportunities can influence us to repurchase more or less than historical averages. We believe that our quarter-end financial strength was excellent and provides ample financial flexibility. During the first quarter of 2022, we repurchased 375,000 shares at an average price per share of $120.05. I'll conclude my prepared remarks as I usually do with a summary of first quarter contributions to book value per share. They represent the main drivers of our value creation ratio. Property casualty underwriting increased book value by $0.81. Life insurance operations increased book value $0.06. Investment income other than life insurance and net of non-insurance items added $0.53. Net investment gains and losses for the fixed income portfolio decreased book value per share by $3.67. Mike SewellCFO, EVP, and Treasurer at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:12:27Net investment gains and losses for the equity portfolio decreased book value by $3.33. We declared $0.69 per share in dividends to shareholders. The net effect was a book value decrease of $6.29 per share during the first quarter to $75.43 per share. Now I'll turn the call back over to Steve. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:12:55Thank you, Mike. It's satisfying to see the steady execution of our initiatives producing these strong results. March and April brought a return of business travel and a return of our headquarters associates working together in person. It's wonderful to see so many familiar faces in the hallway and to be able to get out from behind our desks to visit with agents and our field teams across the country. This return to a bit of normalcy has produced an energy you can feel across our organization, bringing with it lots of optimism for the future of Cincinnati Financial. As a reminder, with Mike and me today are Steve Spray, Marc Schambow, Marty Hollenbeck, and Teresa Hoffer. Jesse, please open the call for questions. Operator00:13:43Thank you, speakers. Participants, we will now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question over the phone, you may press the star key followed by the number one. To withdraw your request, you may press the pound key. Again, that's star one to ask a question or the pound key to withdraw your request. Speakers, our first question's from the line of Meyer Shields of KBW. Your line's now open. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:14:14Thanks. I apologize if you covered this. I didn't think I caught it, but there seems to have been a lot of losses above $1 million, like in the $1 million-$5 million range. Is that inflation or is that just random noise or anything else? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:14:33Meyer, this is Steve, and good question. We think it's more in the random noise category for this first quarter. Certainly inflation we're keeping a close eye on and so forth. It's you know, one quarter it was largely in our property lines and, you know, we will continue to keep close eye on, but we think it was more random noise and it did reflect about 4 points on the current accident year, you know, when comparing it to that 0.9% increase overall in the current accident year. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:15:10Okay. That's helpful. Second question. We've been seeing, I guess, some level of wage inflation, which is clearly helping, I guess, with workers' compensation premiums. Is it your sense that the impact on claim costs for indemnity are in line with that? Or is there any disparity with the premium and the loss impacts of higher wages? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:15:38Yeah, you know, we're keeping a close eye on that as well because, you know, with payroll being the exposure basis for workers' compensation, it should, you know, help on the premium side. Also we've got the inflation. You know, I think our, you know, we feel confident in our workers' comp book. It's the loss ratios have been rising as the competitive environment and the industry and NCCI have decreased rates. But we still feel, you know, good in terms of what we've done in terms of really, working workers' compensation down as a percentage of our overall commercial premium, but at the same time supporting agents and, on what we feel to be the best risk, the most, adequately priced risks. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:16:27Okay, thanks. If I can throw in one other real quick question. One of the competitors in the high net worth homeowner space has talked about double-digit loss trends there. Does that match what you're seeing in your book? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:16:41No, I don't think we've been seeing double-digit loss trends in our book. No. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:16:48Okay. I'm all set. Thank you so much. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:16:50We do feel good about the high net worth book. Thank you, Meyer. Meyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods00:16:55Thank you. Operator00:16:59Speakers, next question is from the line of Mark Dwelle of RBC Capital Markets. Your line's now open. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:17:06Yeah, good morning. I've got a few questions. So Meyer kinda touched on it a little bit, but I guess the increase in the current accident year loss ratio in the commercial line segment is that primarily attributable to the number of large losses in the quarter, or is there kind of more at work beneath the surface there? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:17:32Yes. If we would break the commercial line segment down, the current accident year rose by 1.2 points, and the effect of large losses on that was 5.1 points. You know, well more than the amount of the total increase in the current accident year. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:17:55I mean, there must be some normalized kind of large loss load though that would be kind of embedded in a normal combined ratio. If your large losses were more like normal, would there have been a, I guess, two or three-point improvement, I guess, in the accident year loss ratio, kinda all else equal? Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:18:21You know, that's a good question. I don't have it handy. We've got it, but the overview there. I can tell you for the quarter of the first quarter here of 2022, it was 8.6 points in total in large losses over $1 million for the current accident year. For the first quarter of 2021, it was 3.5. So that difference is the 5.1 that I just mentioned. I, you know, I feel it's more of a feeling right now, not having the numbers, but that 3.5 seems more normal, feels more normal. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:02Got it. Okay. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:19:02Mark. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:03Uh- Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:19:04Oh, I'm sorry. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:06Go ahead. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:19:07No, this is Steve Spray. Mark, I was just gonna add that, you know, it's normal process for us on it, on any large loss that we take a look at, you know, risk category, geography, you know, policy inception date, and agency or field marketing territory to see if we can see any trends or patterns, and we have not. Like Steve said, we feel it's one quarter. I think it's gonna be more important to look at it over a longer period of time, but it is something that we absolutely watch on a regular basis. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:19:44Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:19:47While we still have you, Mark, Dennis, as usual, is quick to help me out with the numbers. In terms of what we're seeing, I could turn you to page 65 of our Q. Or is it the K? Marty HollenbeckCIO and EVP at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:20:06I think K. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:20:06I'm sorry, the K. I would say a little bit higher than what I said, more in the 4% range. The last 2021 was for the current accident year losses above $1 million, 4.2, 3.6 for 2020, and 4.6% for 2019. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:20:29Okay. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:20:29We had another for that over $5 million. That was in the range of $1 million-$5 million, $1.8 million, $0.9 million, and $0.5 million respectively. You know, more in that, say $5 million-$5.5 million range, for that. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:20:48Okay. That's helpful. That definitely helps clarify kind of what a more normalized run rate might really look like. Second question, and I know this is a little bit of a long shot, but do you have any exposure to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, either via the Cincinnati Re or the Cincinnati Global book? I know historically you've written some aviation, but I didn't know if it was anything that might be impacted. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:21:17Yeah. It wouldn't be in aviation, but we have had a little bit of loss in CGU. It's about $5 million. So, you know, not a big amount to the organization. You know, really hearts go out to all the people there in Ukraine for the suffering that's going on. For Cincinnati Re, it's de minimis in terms of loss. We'll continue to keep an eye on it. About $5 million for us for the quarter in total. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:21:52Okay. That's helpful. Last question, I guess, kind of related to the investment portfolio. Do you have a sense of, you know, about how much of your portfolio might mature and roll over the course of, say, the next, you know, 12 months or the balance of 2022? I'm really just trying to get a sense of, you know, kind of what portion of the fixed income portfolio will have the opportunity to renew at, you know, the relatively higher new money rates that we're all seeing right now. Marty HollenbeckCIO and EVP at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:22:27Yeah, Mark, I do actually have that information. This is looking the balance of 2022, about 4.4% of the portfolio, 2023, 6.3%. 2024 jumps to 8%, and then 2025, 9.3%. Book yields on that ranges from 3.7 up to about 4.5 in 2025. Mark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital Markets00:22:54Okay. That's helpful. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:22:59Thank you, Mark. Operator00:23:03Again, participants, it's star one to ask a question over the phone or the pound key to withdraw your request. Speakers, your next question is from the line of John Heagney of Dowling & Partners. Your line's now open. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:23:16Morning. I had a question on your multi-year policies in commercial. How does that impact your ability to reprice for the inflation we're seeing over the past three to four months? Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:23:31Yeah. John, Steve Spray. Yeah. We're committed to that three-year policy. We think it's important to our agents and our policyholders. It's consistent with our, you know, our desire to have long-term relationships. When we can get an adequate rate for the risk terms and conditions, we're keen to offer a three-year policy on our commercial packages. Now, just so you know on that, too, or maybe to give you more color, what that does is that really locks in the rate for the property, the general liability, the crime, and the inland marine coverages. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:24:12I would say this to you, too, is every year, whether it be those policies that are renewing off of a 3-year or the coverages that are subject to annual adjustment, about 75% of our commercial premiums are subject to an anniversary adjustment, even with that 3-year policy. Does that make sense? John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:24:33Yeah. Essentially, I have a three-year rate, but I can adjust it for the change in TIV. That would be an inflation adjustment on an annual basis. Does that make sense? Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:24:46Yeah. You can adjust it. Yeah, you can adjust it for inflation on TIV. Right now that's. We're running that in the high single digits. You also, you know, say your general liability, which would typically have an, you know, your exposure, your premiums are based off of gross sales or payroll. As those increase, the premium goes up. It's just that the rate is locked in. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:25:12Right. Okay. How much of your portfolio overall is multi-year? If I just think of it, you know, crudely in terms of net premium written in commercial. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:25:22Yeah. It's about 60% of our policy count. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:25:27Okay. The next question I had on CGU and then with your new delegated authority into Lloyd's, how much business is that MGA putting through to your own syndicate versus putting through to other syndicates at Lloyd's? I'm just trying to get a sense for how big that delegated authority business could be because obviously you have a limit on your capacity at Lloyd's in your syndicate, but if you're writing elsewhere, it would seem that you have a bigger underwriting capability at least for your agents. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:26:11Right. Sure, John, good question. We're just with our first coverage that we are handling through the delegated authority, and it's a deductible buydown. For that particular product, and especially given it's our first, it will be for our syndicate. As we look to future and rolling out additional coverages, we would open it up to partnerships with other syndicates over there. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:26:38Got it. I'm asking that a little bit too far in advance in terms of where you are. Then finally, just one last kind of numbers question. E&S, how much of your E&S business is written with a standard insurance contract? I'm just trying to get a sense of how much your agents are leveraging that platform for the standard commercial product they're also offering. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:27:11Yeah. John, Steve Spray. About 50% of the time when our E&S company writes coverage, Cincinnati Insurance Company writes business on the standard side. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:27:25Okay. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:27:27It's a high percentage. It's key to what we do. It works really well for the agents. You know, I could get into a lot of detail, having the same claims rep, actually having the same resources at Cincinnati Insurance Company for our agents and for those policyholders, whether it's admitted or non-admitted, is a big, big deal. We're trying to do more and more of it. You can see with the growth and the profitability in CSU, both have been extremely strong. We feel really good about where that is going forward. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:28:03The rest of the book there, that's not wholesale market stuff, right? That's still giving retail agents better access to the E&S market. Is my understanding correct there? Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:28:17Well, that is correct. That's exactly right. CSU, our E&S carrier and our wholly owned subsidiary brokerage, what we call CSU, only provides access to retail agents of Cincinnati Insurance Company to our non-admitted offering. We do not, you know, our in-house brokerage does not place business in the broader E&S market. I think that might have been part of your question at the end. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:28:47Yeah. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:28:47It's only with our own non-admitted carrier and only for licensed and appointed agents of Cincinnati Insurance Company. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:28:55Right. Yeah. No, I was getting at, so the strategy is really geared towards making life easier for all your agents. It's just an agent-centric strategy. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:29:03Absolutely. Everything we do. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:29:05Yeah. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:29:05Yes. Everything we do is agency-centric. John HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners Securities00:29:09That's it for me. Thanks, guys, and enjoy the weekend. Steve SprayPresident at Cincinnati Insurance00:29:14Thanks, John. You too. Operator00:29:18Thank you, participants. I'll now turn the call back over to Mr. Steve Johnston for final remarks. Steve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEO at Cincinnati Financial Corporation00:29:25Thank you, Jesse, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. We hope to see some of you at our annual meeting of shareholders on Saturday, May 7, at the Cincinnati Art Museum. You're also welcome to listen to our webcast of the meeting available at cinfin.com/investors. We look forward to speaking with you again on our second quarter call. Have a great day. Operator00:29:51This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesDennis McDanielVP of Investor RelationsMarty HollenbeckCIO and EVPMike SewellCFO, EVP, and TreasurerSteve JohnstonChairman, President, and CEOAnalystsJohn HeagneyEquity Research Analyst at Dowling & Partners SecuritiesMark DwelleInsurance Equity Research Analyst at RBC Capital MarketsMeyer ShieldsManaging Director and Equity Research Analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & WoodsSteve SprayPresident at Cincinnati InsurancePowered by