Hilton Worldwide Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 26, 2022

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Hilton Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's prepared remarks, There will be a question and answer session. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jill Slattery, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Development.

Operator

You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Chad. Welcome to Hilton's Q2 2022 earnings call. Before we begin, we would like to remind you that our discussions this morning will include forward looking Actual results could differ materially from those indicated in the forward looking statements, and forward looking statements made today Speak only to our expectations as of today. We undertake no obligation to update or revise these statements. For a discussion of some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ, please see the Risk Factors section of our most recently filed Form 10 ks and 1st quarter 10 Q.

Speaker 1

In addition, we will refer to certain non GAAP financial measures on this call. You can find reconciliations of non GAAP to GAAP financial measures in today's call in our earnings press release and on our website at ir.hilton.com. This morning, Chris Nassetta, our President and Chief Executive Officer will provide an overview of the current operating environment and the company's outlook. Kevin Jacobs, our Chief Financial Officer and Global Development will then review our Q2 results and discuss expectations for the year. Following their remarks, we will be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 1

With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Chris.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jill. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. As our 2nd quarter results demonstrate we have a lot to be proud of. System wide RevPAR achieved 98% of 2019 peak levels with all major regions except for Asia Pacific exceeding 2019 RevPAR. We continued to execute on our Strong development story reaching 7,000 hotels globally and grew our industry leading RevPAR premiums all while maintaining good Cost discipline.

Speaker 2

Coupled with the resiliency of our asset light fee based business model, these accomplishments enabled us to deliver EBITDA 10% higher in the Q2 of 2019 with margins of nearly 70%, up more than 800 basis points above 2019 levels. As a result, we continued returning meaningful capital to shareholders after resuming our capital return program last quarter. Turning specifically to results, we reported RevPAR adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS above the high end of our guidance for 2nd quarter, system wide RevPAR increased 54% year over year and was just 2% below 2019 levels, Improving each month throughout the quarter with June RevPAR surpassing prior peaks. All segments improved quarter over Quarter led by Business Transient and Group. Leisure transient trends remained robust As consumer spending continued to shift from goods to services, particularly travel and entertainment, weekend RevPAR was up 14% compared to 2019, driven by robust rate gains.

Speaker 2

In June, weekend ADR was up 20% versus prior peaks. Business transient demand continued to improve throughout the quarter, driving weekday occupancy up 6 points From April to June, weekday RevPAR was 95% of 2019 levels with ADR Moving across nearly all industries. On the group side, RevPAR in the quarter was roughly 85% of 2019 levels. Full year group position improved meaningfully throughout the quarter with strong forward bookings across all location types and nearly all major categories. Group mix is beginning to normalize with the percentage of company meetings increasing.

Speaker 2

Bookings for company meetings strength In each month of the quarter with tentative pipeline for the year up materially versus 2019 For the Q4, with continued improvement in these segments and positive momentum across all regions, we remain optimistic for Continued recovery throughout the balance of the year. As a result, we are raising our expectations for the full year to reflect the quarter's strong results and better Anticipated trends in the back half with RevPAR surpassing 2019 levels. For the full The year, we expect to deliver adjusted EBITDA above 2019 and to generate the highest level of free cash flow in our history. We expect to return between $1,500,000,000 $1,900,000,000 to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends We're approximately 5% of our market cap at the midpoint. Turning to unit growth, we continue to drive a disproportionate share global development with nearly 1 in every 5 rooms under construction around the world slated to join our system.

Speaker 2

Additionally, our development market share is more than 3 times larger than our existing share, meaningfully higher than our peers, Given our industry leading RevPAR premiums, this is reflected in the more than 14,000 rooms we opened in the quarter. We signed more than 23,000 rooms, bringing our development pipeline to a record 413,000 rooms. With nearly half of our pipeline under construction, we remain on track to deliver approximately 5% net unit growth for the year. According to STAAR, our year to date net additions are higher than all major branded competitors. Our conversion openings Totaled more than 3,400 rooms in the quarter, representing roughly 24% of total openings.

Speaker 2

One of the most notable conversion openings in the quarter was the Waldorf Astoria, Washington, D. C. Inspired by the legacy of the old post office building, The property brings Waldorf's iconic history, stunning design and unforgettable experiences to our nation's capital. Our disciplined development strategy continues to enhance our network effect, enabling us to serve more guests across more destinations for any stay occasion. During the Q2, we celebrated the opening of our 2,800th Hampton Hotel, 60,000 Embassy Rooms and several Key luxury announcements, including the openings of Conrad Properties in Nashville and Sardinia And the signings of the Walter Pistorius Sydney and Walter Pistorius Kuala Lumpur.

Speaker 2

Earlier this month, we celebrated the highly anticipated opening of Conrad Los Angeles, anchored within the Grand LA, the spectacular 305 Room Hotel marks the brand's debut in California and Makes LA the 2nd U. S. City alongside Las Vegas to feature all three of our luxury brands. The openings of the Hilton Maldives Amangari Resort and Spa and the Hilton Tulum Riviera Maya, An all inclusive resort were 2 of the latest additions to our rapidly expanding portfolio of resort properties in prime beachfront destinations. With 400 unique hotels and resorts open and in the pipeline, our conversion friendly brands Curio and Tapestry continue to provide an attractive value proposition for owners.

Speaker 2

By providing authentic and curated experiences and drawing inspiration from their local communities, These brands enable owners to retain their own unique identities while also benefiting from the power of our commercial engines. During the quarter, we opened the Royal Palm Galapagos, marking the 1st international hotel brand in the Galapagos Islands And making Ecuador the 30th country in Curio's growing portfolio. Tapestry opened its 10,000th room in the quarter, including The Hotel Marseille New Haven, which is anticipated to be the 1st net zero hotel in the U. S. And one of less than a dozen LEED Platinum certified hotels in the country.

Speaker 2

All of these openings continue to the offerings available to our Hilton Honors members. In the quarter, Honors membership grew 17% to 139,000,000 members And accounted for approximately 62% of occupancy, up 3 50 basis points year over year and roughly in line with 2019. To address the evolving needs of guests who want to travel with their pets, we have expanded our partnership with Mars Pet Care to now include 7 of our brands, including all our Focus service And all Suites brands as well as Canopy. Through this expanded partnerships, guests will have access to virtual support From the Mars Pet Expert team and have more than 4,600 pet friendly hotels to choose from. We continue to double down on the importance of the guest experience and their stay.

Speaker 2

Earlier this week, we launched our First ever global platform to focus on what has been missing from hotel advertising, The Stay. Hilton for the stay places the hotel front and center. It goes without saying that our team members Continue to be at the heart of that stay experience. I'm extremely proud that earlier in the quarter, HILT was inducted in DiversityInc. Hall of Fame for our continued commitment to building an inclusive and welcoming environment.

Speaker 2

And now, I'll turn the call over to Kevin for A few more details on the quarter and the expectations for the rest of the year.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. During the quarter, system wide RevPAR grew 54.3% versus the prior year on a comparable and currency neutral basis. System wide RevPAR was down 2.1% compared to 2019. Growth was driven by continued strength in leisure demand through the start of the summer travel season as well as Stronger than expected recovery in business transient and group travel. Performance is driven by both occupancy and rate growth.

Speaker 3

Adjusted EBITDA was $679,000,000 in the 2nd quarter, exceeding the high end of our guidance range and up 70% year over year. Outperformance was driven by better than expected fee growth, particularly across the Americas and EMEA regions. Management and franchise fees grew 54%, driven by meaningful RevPAR improvement and strong Honors license fees. Cost control further benefited results. For the quarter, diluted earnings per share adjusted for special items was 1 point Exceeding the high end of our guidance range and increasing 130% year over year.

Speaker 3

Turning to our regional performance, 2nd quarter Comparable U. S. RevPAR grew 47% year over year and was up 1% versus 2019. Performance continued to be led by robust leisure trends And was further boosted by significant RevPAR recovery in Business Transient and Group, up 16 percentage points and 20 percentage points respectively from the 1st quarter. In the Americas outside of the U.

Speaker 3

S, 2nd quarter RevPAR increased 140% year over year and was up nearly 5% versus 2019. Performance is driven by strong leisure demand, particularly at resort properties. In Europe, RevPAR grew 2 83% year over year and was up 1 versus 2019. Performance benefited from reduced travel restrictions and greater than expected international inbound arrivals. In the Middle East and Africa region, RevPAR increased 68% year over year and was up 4% versus 2019.

Speaker 3

The region continued to benefit from robust domestic leisure demand and strong international inbound travel, particularly from Europe. In the Asia Pacific region, 2nd quarter RevPAR was down 5% year over year and down 39% versus 20 RevPAR in China was down 47% compared to 2019 as strict COVID policies and lockdowns in Shanghai and Beijing Need to weigh on travel demand early in the quarter. Demand recovered quickly once restrictions eased with occupancy in China recovering from 37% in April to approximately 60% in June, less than 6 points shy of 2019 levels. The rest of the Asia Pacific region saw improvement as countries outside of China benefited from border reopenings. RevPAR for Asia Pacific ex China improved 12 percentage points throughout the 2nd quarter with April down 29% versus 2019 June down 17%.

Speaker 3

We remain optimistic about continued recovery across the entire APAC region, including China as COVID related policies continue to ease and additional countries open their borders for international travel. Turning to development, our pipeline grew year over year and sequentially totaling over 413,000 rooms at the end of the quarter with 60% of pipeline rooms located outside the U. S. And roughly half under construction. While macroeconomic uncertainty and variability across regions persists, Owner and development owner and developer interest remains healthy.

Speaker 3

The development community continues to preference our industry leading brands and strong commercial engines. For the full year, we still expect net unit growth of approximately 5% and signings to exceed 100,000 rooms. Moving to guidance for the Q3, we expect system wide RevPAR growth to be between 25% 30% year over year or up 1% to 5% compared to Q3 We expect adjusted EBITDA of between $660,000,000 $690,000,000 and diluted EPS adjusted for special items Between $1.16 $1.24 For full year 2022, we expect RevPAR growth between 37% And 43%, relative to 2019, we expect RevPAR to be down 1% to 5%. We forecast adjusted EBITDA of between $2,400,000,000 $2,500,000,000 with margins for the full year more than 600 basis points We forecast diluted EPS adjusted for special items of between $4.21 $4.46 Please note that our guidance ranges do not incorporate future share repurchases. Moving on to capital return, we paid a cash dividend of 0.15 per share during the Q2 for a total of $41,000,000 Our Board also authorized a quarterly dividend of $0.15 per share in the Q3.

Speaker 3

Year to date, we have returned more than $800,000,000 to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends.

Speaker 2

For the

Speaker 3

full year, we expect to return between 1 point $5,000,000,000 $1,900,000,000 to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends. Further details on our second quarter results can be found in the earnings release we issued earlier this morning. This completes our prepared remarks. We would now like to open the line for any questions you may have. We would like to speak to all of you this morning, so we ask that you limit yourself to one question.

Speaker 3

Chad, can we have our first question, please?

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. And our first question comes from the line of Carlo Santarelli with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, Chris, Kevin, Jill, everyone. Chris, maybe this one's best for you. Just in terms of how you're thinking about the rest of the year, what is it that you guys see here at The end of July, I'm sure you have a pretty good look into August. But clearly, the September, October busier business travel season, group season, etcetera. What is it that you see in these periods that kind of gives you the confidence in the guidance raised For the rest of the year and how do you kind of think about or feel when you look out to 2023?

Speaker 2

Carlo, thanks for the question. And that obviously is the prime question I think on everybody's mind. And I think it would be sort of Best to start by saying as everybody on this call knows that there is certainly a lot of uncertainty in the world and I think We have to sort of be mindful of that as everybody has. I mean, we have been as much as we See what's going on and we're watching the broader environment and lots of talk of slowdown and seeing it in certain industries. Certainly, I think predominantly industries that had reached high watermarks that were had favorable impacts from COVID, But nonetheless, starting to see slowdown, we've been looking very carefully at our business as you would guess, at all the Segments that sort of any forward looking trends that we can see.

Speaker 2

And I would say what we're seeing still is very positive. We See, as Kevin and I both said in our prepared comments, continued strength in leisure. We expect To see that continue into the fall at higher rates than normal, I mean lower rates than summer like always, but higher rates than you would Typically seen pre COVID just because of increased leisure business, business transient continues to recover Led by recovery in the big corporates, which are not back to where they are, but they're back to sort of 80% of where they were. And the SMB side of the business that has been quite robust. I mean in the second half of the year, based on the trends we've Seeing our expectation is business transient is going to be sort of on a revenue basis equal to 2019 levels.

Speaker 2

And When we think about the group side, while we don't think in the second half we'll get all the way back to where we were in 2019, we're going to get awfully close. And as I In my prepared comments, if we look at the booking position in 3rd and fourth quarter, second half of the year, it's over 'nineteen levels and our sales teams You know, tell keep telling me, you know, they can hardly keep up with the demand. Now reality is, again, we're in an uncertain world. The booking windows are short. So our Windows are short, so our visibility is limited certainly on transient business.

Speaker 2

We can't really look too deeply into the fall Again, we can on the group side and those stats are good. But the current trajectory is good looking at July. June, as we said, was over 2019 levels. July is trending in a very good way and We'll be over 2019 and improve over and above what we saw in June. So we everything we're seeing sort of real Time, everything we have in terms of sidelines into the future all feel pretty good.

Speaker 2

There's a lot of macro uncertainty and recognizing that our booking windows and sight lines You know are not that far out. I think what is causing it, like sort of as you see other industries Sort of being impacted every day, including today is a big reporting day. Again, I think a lot of what you see coming Going the wrong way are industries that were at crazy peaks because they were huge beneficiaries, many of them of COVID And the pandemic, we were obviously not a big beneficiary. I think that's a fairly nice way of putting it. Our industry got Hambert, and so what we're benefiting from I think is sort of a handful of things.

Speaker 2

One, there's a lot of pent up Demand, we hear it all the time. I mean, while I don't have tremendous sight lines in the sense of real transient Booking data to give you, because it doesn't exist. We talk to our customers all the time, not just the group We're talking to all of our customers and we're in a regular dialogue with our SMBs, with the big corporates. And the Anecdotal feedback that we're getting as we go into the fall is people have to travel more. More offices are open, more people are back in the office, While people are worried about where the macro environment is going, they've got to run the businesses.

Speaker 2

And in fact, the more worried they are, the more they realize they sort of got to get out there and make Sure. They're hustling. So there is an element of pent up demand. There is clearly, and I'm not going to say I was right, but I've been right. There's clearly a massive shift in spending patterns, right, away from goods I said in my prepared comments, I've been saying since the beginning of the pandemic that the world is not going to go upside down, that It may go upside down for a while, but it will normalize and that's exactly what we're seeing.

Speaker 2

And so not only do you have pent up demand, We just have new demand that's coming as people are sort of shifting their spending patterns. That means leisure, business group, People are shifting back to a more normalized lifestyle. Maybe it's not exactly the way it was, but it's more like it was than it was. It's more like it was pre COVID than it is during COVID. And so we're the beneficiary of that.

Speaker 2

You have infrastructure, Sure. People don't talk about it. We passed a nearly $1,000,000,000,000 infrastructure package last year. Very little of that has been spent. Traditionally, You would start to see spending in the second, 3rd and 4th year.

Speaker 2

So we're just sort of coming into the zone over the next 2 or 3 years on $1,000,000,000,000 of Spending, I've said this so many times, you guys are tired of hearing it. The highest R squared correlation to demand growth in hotel rooms is NRFI, On residential fixed investment, AKA infrastructure, so I think we think we feel good about Sort of that being sort of underpinning broadly Asia recovery, Kevin talked about it. Asia has been way behind. It's not recovering as quickly as we would have thought, particularly China, but I do but it is recovering and I think that provides Some benefit not just the rest of this year, but in the next year. And then probably last but not least, if we look at our customers, certainly like our Honors base, which Driving the disproportionate share of our system wide revenues, at the moment, they're still in I mean the median income of our higher end honors members is significantly over $100,000 median And so at the moment, they're still in pretty good shape and we haven't really yet seen any real cracks In the armor in terms of their spending patterns.

Speaker 2

So I know that's a filibuster of sorts, but I think it gives To answer the question, it gives you color for as we sat in the very room we're sitting in and thought about how do we feel about the rest of this year, That's how we sort of that's how we came up with our forecast and our outlook. And as we think about next Dear, listen, I'd be silly to say I know, because nobody knows. This is we're in pretty much Uncharted Waters, the smartest economist I talk to are saying the same thing. So I don't know, but I think a bunch of those things that I described Our pretty good wind in our sails against what is obviously going to be a slowing U. S.

Speaker 2

And global economy because that's what central banks Are going to do, but we have some things that I think sort of our wind is blowing the other way. And So I think as we get into the first half of next year, we're feeling like that is going to be helpful to us. How we think the whole year will play out, obviously it's premature for us to judge and when we get a little bit closer to it, we'll have a little bit more precise

Speaker 4

Great, Chris. That's very helpful. And then I want to be courteous to everyone on the call, but just quickly to clarify Some of the comments from earlier, as you guys talked about group and 4Q being greater or being up year over year, I should say. Was that a revenue position comment you were making? Revenue.

Speaker 4

Revenue. Okay. Yes, revenue. Okay. Could you talk about from an occupancy or occupied room night How group compares?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think system wide second half of the year, we think it will be in the 90s. It will probably be Five points off with the difference being made up in rate.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thank you, sir. Take care.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you.

Operator

And the next question is from Shaun Kelley from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, everyone. Chris, maybe just to dig in, I mean, obviously, you covered sort of Most of the subjects in that last answer. So maybe to go a slightly or deeper, if we just think about the acceleration And between kind of what you're implying for the Q3 and what you actually saw in the second, what are some of the biggest variances that are going to drive that? Things that come to Obviously international and then the continued improvement you probably saw sequentially on business transient, but could you help unpack that a little bit?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, sorry, I did give a bit of a filibuster, but just wanted to give the whole thing context and not have it be chopped up. So my apologies for answering what are probably a bunch of your questions. But I do think I sort of covered that. We certainly expect international travel to pick up.

Speaker 2

We don't think that's going to move the needle necessarily in a huge way in the It really is what we described, what I already described, which is continuing strength in leisure Because weekend business we think is still going to remain strong. Consumers still have desire and capacity to do it. They are traveling more from combination leisure business, sub business and leisure. So We think that will mean leisure business will ultimately be at elevated levels relative to what we saw in pre pandemic And we do think from a revenue point of view, business transient is on track largely because of the success we've had in And be in the second half of the year to show on a revenue basis be back to 2019 levels. Now that depends, We don't have all those bookings on that are confirmed at this point.

Speaker 2

But if you look again at June July, you talk to Customers, we look at detailed data on sort of how they're behaving right now. We feel good about that and group I covered. I mean we think group will not recover to where we were in 'nineteen. There's just Not enough time, but we think it's going to get awfully close, and we think there's a lot of momentum in the group side Going into next year. So I think net net, Sean, probably repeating myself, what it depends on It is more of what we've been seeing, just grinding up on business.

Speaker 2

I mean, we're at for the whole Quarter, we were at 95% on business transient, so we're getting awfully close. In June in the U. S, We hit 19 levels. So, it doesn't the rest of the year, it doesn't it's sort of what the rest of the year suggests Is the strengthening in group based on our real position of group room nights on the books and Similar to what we've seen in June July in Business Transient and normal strength on weekends for leisure, but normal pattern of leisure back For leisure, but normal pattern of leisure backing off during the mid week as you go into the fall. Thank

Speaker 5

you very much.

Operator

The next question will come from Joe Greff from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Good morning, everybody.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 6

If you go back and you look at the last 2.5 years, it's been remarkable that your same store RevPAR growth rate And your management and franchise fee growth rate have mirrored each other almost to a one to one relationship. And over that timeframe, you've grown your room count north of 10%. Does the relationship between RevPAR growth And say fee growth or that sensitivity change going forward where maybe there's if Rev If I were to experience a decline, that sensitivity to the downside is maybe more favorable than what it would have been the last couple of years, Just because of the growth in the room count?

Speaker 2

I think the well, I think the answer is yes. And what Largely would drive it is what you're saying the non RevPAR related fees are growing as a percentage of the Fee base and then the impact on the downside was accentuated because of the extremes. So in a normal, normal like sort of normal recessionary environment, you You don't see those sort of extreme impacts in terms of declines RevPAR to EBITDA. So we think in a normal kind of environment, yes, it would be more one for 1 and we get the benefit of the things you described.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from David Katz from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the quarter. I wanted to just touch on the owned and leased portion Of the model, which I think swung to positive this quarter, it was a little earlier than what we anticipated. Can you just talk about what's driving that?

Speaker 7

Is there a strong business component to that? And give us some help with The rest of the year and sort of what's in there and how we might think about that?

Speaker 3

Yes, David. I think that look, first of all,

Speaker 2

I would say, yes, You're right,

Speaker 3

it did swing to a profit. We've been saying for a while that the growth rate would be more than the overall portfolio. In fact, that was the case when the numbers were Negative. It was in a weird way. We're still growing faster improving the growth rate of the company.

Speaker 3

It's all fundamentals though. I mean if you look at where the portfolio was located In this particular quarter, the real strength regions were U. K, particularly London and Central Europe. Japan, Still a little bit further behind, so as APAC recoveries, you have even a little bit more of a tailwind there from that part of the portfolio, but the RevPAR Growth in the quarter was significantly ahead of even where I gave the Europe, the EMEA number I gave the Europe number in my prepared The RevPAR for this portfolio was even further ahead of that. And so that's where it's coming from and we expect those trends to Continue again particularly as Japan is a little bit further behind on recovery.

Speaker 3

So we expect going forward that that portfolio well Remember, it's a small part of the business and over time will continue to be a smaller part of the business, but it will be a tailwind to our growth rate for a while as those regions recover.

Speaker 7

Can I, if I may, not to overstay my welcome, but should we perhaps look at the 'nineteen levels or any Past levels of profitability and how might those guide us as we think about the future?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think it's there's no reason why it won't get Back to or even exceed prior levels, you got to remember the portfolio does get a little bit smaller over time. We exited 7 of those Assets last year, 3 of which came into the system and shifted over to paying fees, but 4 of which went away altogether. That's not going to make a huge difference on that. So I would say keeping in mind that the portfolio continues to get smaller, I would say that recovering to where it was on a lag is a good way to think about it.

Speaker 7

Excellent. Thanks. Sure.

Operator

And the next question is from Smedes Rose from Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi, thanks. I just wanted to ask you just a little bit on the pipeline. You continue Sequential growth there and significant signings, and it just seems a little bit kind of A lot of crosscurrents going on, because we keep hearing about developer challenges. And I'm just wondering if you could speak to where you're seeing the growth? I know you spoke About China, but how is it looking in the U.

Speaker 8

S? And what sort of challenges maybe your developers facing? And is Hilton You know helping at all in terms of loans or anything of that sort?

Speaker 2

Yes, a really good And I mean what's going on essentially and let me just sort of everywhere but China is that Demand on the from owners to sign new deals has actually moved up pretty nicely. And you would say why with all the swirling wins and all the uncertainty. Well, I mean look at like they own assets and they're look at the results we're delivering and what we think We'll deliver for the year and where we are relative to 'nineteen, you think about margins, not our margins, but with all the changes we've made in the hotels. I I mean, the reality is not every single in every single case, but in many, many cases, the hotels that our owners own are performing Extraordinarily well. They're at high RevPARs with higher margins than they had pre COVID.

Speaker 2

And so listen, this is what they do for a living. They're seeing great success. They're seeing tremendous flow through. They're seeing incredible rate And sort of pressure and that makes them want to do more of what they do. And so as Kevin said, we'll sign we won't get to our peak in signings, But we'll get we're getting closer.

Speaker 2

We'll get over 100,000 rooms. And again, I think think it's just positive 7. Now that's without China. China actually, we will open more rooms in China this year, but we won't sign as many simply because The way they're addressing COVID with the lockdowns and the like have slowed development We have every confidence that when they reopen it will pick up at a fast pace. But from a cultural point of view, they really you really don't get Signings done when things are closed.

Speaker 2

It's just not the way things happen and it's been a little delayed. So I think The reality is when you with the demand in the rest of the world when you get that part of the engine firing as well, The numbers are going to feel pretty good. And then it has to translate. And I think that will translate over time as sort of the world You know, settles down a bit and people have a little bit more visibility on what's going on. But the demand is there, market share, I shouldn't we're not going to We're out of the business of describing exactly what our market share is for a whole bunch of competitive reasons, but I will say Market share is up again in a meaningful way, significantly above 2019 levels, significantly above where all our competitors are and that's helping drive disproportionate interest, not only do people want to build more, but I think they want to build more with us because we're doing a better job in terms of driving share to help them drive profitability.

Speaker 8

Thanks. And let's just quickly add, I saw you guys are announcing new ad campaign with a different kind of focus, but I'm just wondering, I should know this, but is that essentially supported by or funded By owners or is there corporate implications as well

Speaker 2

for that? That is funded by the system, which means essentially it's funded by owners. We have, I mean the grossly simplified explanation is people will either pay us a management fee or a franchise fee and then we have corporate expenses Then they pay system fees for a bunch of things, marketing, technology, brand, essentially system charges And those that we manage on a dollar on a not for profit basis, if you will, on their behalf. And all of the marketing dollars that we're talking about in our campaign come out of that. They're not corporate dollars.

Speaker 2

They're for the benefit of the system.

Speaker 4

Okay, great.

Speaker 8

Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Operator

And the next question is from Robin Farley from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks. Just one follow-up on your comments on the Demand from owners and kind of record level of signings, some others in the industry have talked about getting record signings, but that construction starts Then matching the signings. And I know your rooms under construction currently are ahead of 2019, which is a great achievement. I'm wondering if you're seeing though New construction starts, which would not impact your unit growth this year, but might have implications for 'twenty three or 'twenty four, Just kind of what you're seeing on the construction start front.

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes, happy to answer that and Kevin can jump in if he wants to add anything. First of all, just be clear, I didn't say we're hitting records on signings. I said we're over 100,000. I think our peak was 116, 116, 116, 116, So we're getting closer and we're getting over 100 without as much help as we'd like from China. On the start So, we do believe starts will go down again this year given all of the things that are going on in the world with supply chain, Labor, financial markets, fears over the macro and recession.

Speaker 2

We think that they will have down. Having said that, our best estimate at this point, we've talked about this on prior That we will probably have hit the floor in starts in the U. S. Last year. We think we'll be up Given what I described before in terms of just where we are with RevPAR, where we are with margins, the owner desire To do things that all things being equal, we are of the mind that next year that this year Would be the low point in starts and that they would start moving back up and that puts us in a position to do as we have been Expecting and suggesting we would do which is for the next couple of years deliver in the mid single digit nug.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. Thank you. And then just one quick follow-up on the margin performance of 600 basis points. I think that You have guided before that you would hold on to 400 basis points to 600 basis points of that. Do you think it's looking like you're at the higher end or maybe even Above that at this point?

Speaker 2

We're doing better on margins, faster recovery, Even better cost discipline than we assume. So we are doing better on margins than we had suggested before.

Speaker 9

In terms of holding on to that into 2023?

Speaker 2

Yes. Actually, if you recall, we thought just because of the recovery in the real estate, Because at lower margins, it would help EBITDA growth, but it might just the arithmetic would hurt margins and We had thought that we might sort of be flat or even a little bit down as we got through that this year. Obviously, with the guidance we gave you, We're 100 basis points, 150 basis points above what we did last year, which was meaningfully above 2019, which Getting us to the higher end of the $600,000,000 and we think we're going to be able to continue to drive margin growth from there.

Speaker 1

Yes. I think that last thing

Speaker 3

that Chris said is important in the sense that when we gave you that number, that was sort of just helping people model sort of A recovery and where it was going to go was not meant to be sort of a stopping point between the mix continuing to grow over time towards fees, Non RevPAR driven fees and cost control, we think margins will continue to grow over time.

Speaker 2

Yes. On average, if you just do the math in your model, my guess is it will It's a 50 to 100 basis point natural accretion in margin Every year just based on the business model.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question is from Richard Clarke from Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just maybe sort of I'm picking a bit too much here, but if I look at your sort of Q3 and then your full year RevPAR guidance and maybe some of your commentary, It looks to me you're sort of saying that Q3 is going to be better than Q2 and then maybe Q4 will be a slight pullback That you're only expecting leisure demand to sort of run through the full. And obviously, with group being stronger in Q4, are you expecting some elements maybe just to step A little bit in Q4 or am I reading a little bit too much into your guidance there?

Speaker 2

I think you're reading a little too much into it. I think at this point, we sort of view 2nd half of the year, 3rd Q4 in a very similar way. Obviously, the 3rd quarter is a much, much bigger, more important quarter in the sense of All forms of travel. So you have sort of seasonal things going on, but in terms of the basic breakdown of what we think and performance The segments, we don't we are not forecasting any difference, any meaningful difference.

Speaker 10

Thanks. And maybe just Quick follow-up to the last question. I think at the full year results, you specifically sort of guided you were hoping for 66,000 construction starts this year. I don't think you gave a number in response to that. Is that still what you're looking to get to this year?

Speaker 3

No. I think We had said that in the past and on prior calls, I think Chris said we expect it starts to be down a little bit this year. There's a lot of year left, so we're not sure exactly where it's going to play out, but probably be a little bit less than that.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

The next question is from Chad Beynon with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. When you think about some of the restrictions with flight capacity that we hear about in the U. S. And in Europe not being able to keep up with consumer demand, do Do you believe any of this presents a risk to any parts of your recovery?

Speaker 12

Or is it negligible and just more of kind of a sound bite for the airline industry?

Speaker 2

We've been watching that as you would guess really carefully and studying our data along with the airline data and We haven't seen any real impact. We just can't find it. So we feel pretty good about it. I mean, talking to the not just listening, but I know most of CEOs in the airline space and talking to them, I think they are making pretty darn good progress in terms of getting capacity back, getting Teams that they need in terms of pilots, flight attendants, maintenance crew, getting them trained. So I mean it's not done by any means, but I think every day It gets a little better.

Speaker 2

And so I think we feel like we'll be fine. I mean, if you look at the patterns like in the Q2, I was Actually surprised and it's directional. I can't I'm not going to tell you like we have perfect data on this, but it's pretty good directional and it's Consistent with what the same way we would have analyzed it pre COVID, in a normal world like 60% of our business was FLY2 and 40% of it was Drive 2. In the second quarter, we think it was 2 thirds Drive 2, 1 third, fly 2. So part of what's going on is people are with restricted capacity.

Speaker 2

They're just driving more, they're driving longer distances, And they're staying in a tighter they may be driving further, but they're not going cross country or whatever. It's more regional and local business, but that works. So at the moment, business, but that works. So at the moment, while the airlines are sort of working their issues out, I think people are acting Sort of accordingly in terms of how they're getting places and we're not seeing any impact. We don't talking to customers, We don't think that it's going to impair the rest of the year.

Speaker 12

Thanks, Chris. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Operator

And the next question is from Vince Ciepohl with Cleveland Research Company. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I'm curious how you're thinking about planning the business over the course of the next 12 months. It Clearly, sounds like the trend lines in corporate and group are getting better. Obviously, you believe leisure is continuing to That's healthy ADRs and remain pretty stable at high levels.

Speaker 13

As you think about like an efficient mix within those three buckets of demand, How are you approaching that and how are you handling pricing out the corporate and the group business as it comes back?

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean, the truth is we're doing it with a lot of flexibility because while we have a belief, which we've articulated in a bunch of different ways This call, we know that we may not be perfectly right. So as we've, I think, proven during COVID, Our teams, including our sales teams, our commercial teams are unbelievably quick on their feet. We retooled everything when we had during COVID. We've retooled a dozen times through COVID as demand patterns have sort of Normalizing, so I think what we will be set up for and then ready to pivot Is a world that I described, which is a world that is getting reasonably close to pre COVID normalization.

Speaker 2

I mean, just Like in Q2, by way of example, if you look at the segments, compared to 2019, 55 percent in 2019, 55% of our overall system revenue came from business Transient, 25 from leisure transient and 20 from group. If you look at the depths of COVID, You know, it probably the most extreme times it went to like 35% business, 55% leisure and 10% group. In the Q2, it was almost 50 business transient. It was like 34, 35 leisure in So as I said before, we've sort of expected that as much as everybody wants to think, everything's different. We sort of have been planning throughout and taking it in steps for a normalization maybe not be exactly where we were pre pandemic, but more looking like that than where we were.

Speaker 2

That's what's happening. And That's what we'll be set up for. But as I said, the key here always is flexibility and be prepared to pivot. On the margin, I do think we will continue to have higher levels of leisure than we had pre pandemic. My guess is we will have potentially a surge in group just because of so much pent up Demand as well.

Speaker 2

And so what are we doing? We're making sure we're staying super aggressive on leisure strategies, Making sure that we're staying super aggressive on with our group sales team and that we're all over every opportunity And that we are focused on that. And then on the business transient side, while we love our big corporates, We continue to work with them. We've had a lot of success with the SMBs. In the end, we think that when we normalize, we will have lower Big corporates and higher SMB at a higher rate.

Speaker 2

And so we have deployed accordingly in our sales teams Across the board to make sure that we're working those SMB accounts that we're covering a lot more of those in a very Thoughtful way to continue to build that business. So those will at a high level that sort of when we are sitting at this We are talking about how we are going to deploy over the next 12 months. That's how we are thinking about it. But if the world pivots, We'll pivot very quickly with it. But my guess is that's how the world is going to play out.

Speaker 2

A little bit more leisure, a lot more group, A bunch more business transient and for us with a real focus on the SMBs.

Speaker 13

That's some helpful high level color there. And maybe just a little bit more specifically on that larger corporate, I would imagine a lot That falls under the corporate negotiated rates. Can you remind us where those have been through COVID? Are they Flattish with 2019 levels. They've been flat.

Speaker 2

They've been almost all of our large corporate clients during COVID agreed to keep Rates flat to 2019 levels and now in those negotiations again keeping it in perspective, It's like 7% of the business right now, maybe 7% and a little bit of change. So like just Keep that in perspective, but I think what we're indicating is probably mid single digit kind of increases for those accounts. And again, in a lot of hotels, the reason we want that even though SMB is And maybe at higher rate as it provides a base of business just like we put a base of group business on the books. It's another way to put a base of business on. So it's hotel it will be hotel by hotel.

Speaker 2

There will be some hotels that won't take any of it. There will be some hotels that will take some of it because they need the base. But I would suspect while it's way early to judge, it's sort of mid single digit. The goals would be to have dynamic pricing with all those And that the end result will be somewhere in the mid single digits and that when we're all said and done, it will be 6% to 8% of the business, where it used to be 10%.

Operator

Thank you. And the next question will be from Patrick Scholes from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

Speaker 11

Kind of following up on that question On corporate rates, we're starting to get into negotiation season. And I know you'd like to tell me if you're going to see corporate rates up 50% next year, but how do you think about Group and corporate rates increasing next year as it relates to negotiated rates. And so I keep that in mind with inflation next year probably 20% higher than Where it was in 2019?

Speaker 2

Yes, I mean, it's hard to say and we're not here giving guidance on There's a long way to speak here and there and there's a lot of uncertainty in the world. But I mean probably the best I gave you a little bit of sense although we're not in those negotiations In earnest, yes, with the big corporates where that would be. I think the way we would think about Unmanaged business transient business would be somewhere in the 5% to 10% range to keep pace with Inflation and I think we would think about the group, our group bookings the same way. In fact, all the group bookings that like we were doing Generally, new group bookings that we did in the Q2 for 'twenty three were in the high single digit rate increases, I mean, as a data point.

Speaker 11

Okay. And thoughts on Airbnb supply, certainly we're seeing In some of those really hot leisure markets, whether it's Vail, Aspen, Miami, a ton of Airbnb supply with everybody realizing how high the room rates are that they're going to rent out their units. What sort of impacts are you seeing, if any, In those markets?

Speaker 2

None. Now in some of those markets, we may not be in them, but As you can see from the numbers that we're posting, at least what we're forecasting, what we're seeing in booking patterns, We're not seeing any impact. I mean, I think what they do is they serve a certain customer need and we serve another customer need. I've said it for a long time, there's plenty of room for us to coexist given what we're delivering is very different And it's generally for different type of stay occasions. So we are not there is zero discernible impact from any Airbnb supply.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thank you for the

Speaker 8

color. Yes.

Operator

And the next question is from Duane Pfennigwerth from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Hey, thanks for the time. Maybe a short term and a longer term. Short term, which international geographies surprised you the most In 2Q and then longer term, how do you think about the pacing of China reopen 2023 and Jan, what is your planning assumption at this point? Yes, I'll offer an answer, maybe Kevin will come over the top and offer a different one. But I would say Europe Was the big surprise for me.

Speaker 2

Europe's on fire, huge surge in business. I mean, the big cities, London, Everything are raging this summer in Q2 and then they're raging in Q3. So that's been and Europe is now trending above 'nineteen. I think for the Full year Europe will be not just for the second half, Europe was above in Q2. I think Europe will be ahead For the full year of 2019 in terms of RevPAR.

Speaker 2

So that's been a pleasant surprise. In China, The honest answer is we don't know. I would have thought, I mean we are making progress. Kevin gave the data points. I mean we've moved from in the 30s 60 and I think we're probably above that now.

Speaker 2

You have things ebbing and flowing. I saw This morning, they're locking down part of Wuhan, a 1000000 people. So, we're hopeful by the and I've been saying this I've been consistent by the time they have the party Congress, which is in October, that they're at a different place. I think that is As we talk to our teams there, I think there is a lot of belief that as we get into the fall, things are going To normalize rapidly there, I do think it will be a while and what do I know for the record for anybody listening. I do think it will be a while before we have a ton of Chinese travelers traveling internationally or any of us Going to China, I'm hopeful that that would be next year.

Speaker 2

I haven't been since the end of 2019 and I'm dying to go. But the reality is, as we saw in the early recovery of COVID where they led the world, when China opens up, China in China for China, just Chinese travelers moving around China, the business can boom in a very big way because if they're not leaving, they're staying and They love to travel within China and see the destinations there. So I think as we get into October and the rest of the year, I would hope and I do think and our teams think that you're going to see a lot of activity in terms of what's going on in opening and Travel within China and I do think that will then start to restart in a big way the development engine that wants to go and people want to do it. It's just It's been kind of hard to get it chugging again. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Chris Nassetta for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 2

As always, we appreciate you guys taking an hour out of your life to join us. We are obviously really pleased with the results in Q2. We see the recovery not just happening, but happening at an even faster We thought we know the world's got a lot going on, but as I said in a bunch of different ways as did Kevin, we feel quite Good. We are cautiously optimistic. We feel quite good about the momentum we have and the win we have in our sales The rest of this year and into the 1st part of next year, and we'll look forward to giving you an update after we finish the Q3.

Speaker 2

Thanks and have a great day.

Operator

And thank you, sir. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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