Exxon Mobil Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 28, 2022

There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to this ExxonMobil Corporation's 2nd Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Ms. Jennifer Driscoll. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Speaker 1

Good morning and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining ExxonMobil's Q2 2022 earnings call. I'm Jennifer Driscoll, Vice President, Investor Relations. Here with me today are Darren Woods, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer And Kathy Michaels, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our quarterly presentation with pre recorded remarks was posted earlier today on the Investors section of our website along with the Q2 earnings news release.

Speaker 1

During our live 1 hour conference call, Darren will provide brief opening comments and reference a few slides from the earlier presentation before we move to the question and answer period. May I remind you that during this call, we may make forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. We encourage you to read our cautionary statement on Slide 2. We also have provided supplemental information at the end of our earnings slides, including reconciliations. Now please turn to Slide 3, and we'll turn the call over to Darren.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jennifer. Good morning and good afternoon everyone. Thanks for joining us today. Our 2nd quarter operational and financial results were very strong. While the market has clearly been a factor, Our results reflect our focus on the fundamentals as well as plans and investments we put in motion several years ago and stuck with through the depths of the pandemic.

Speaker 2

They also reflect the outstanding work of our teams across the world who operate our facilities safely at high utilization levels, Which drove needed production and throughput. We are proud of their commitment to supplying the energy and products the world needs and delivering on our strategic priorities. Increased production, higher realizations Aggressive cost control generated strong earnings and cash flow. We also delivered excellent safety and operating performance. As global demand recovers, we continued to invest in our portfolio and grew our year to date production in the Permian by about 130,000 Oil equivalent barrels per day versus the first half of twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2

For the full year in the Permian, It is now more than 340,000 oil equivalent barrels per day. Our Liza Phase 1 development is producing above design capacity With excellent performance, Visa Phase 2 started production earlier this year and has recently reached the design capacity of 220,000 barrels per day. As demand has continued to recover, so has production from our industry leading refining circuit. We increased throughput by 180,000 barrels per day in the first half of twenty twenty two versus the first half of twenty twenty one. We continue to demonstrate our value as an essential partner during the quarter.

Speaker 2

For example, ExxonMobil has recently been awarded an interest in Cutter's Northfield East Expansion.

Speaker 3

We have worked closely with

Speaker 2

the Qataris for decades. This attractive agreement further leverages our experience as a global leader in LNG, Giving us the opportunity to help grow Qatar's LNG capacity by 30,000,000 tons per annum by 2026. Partnerships such as these are also an important part of unlocking future opportunities in our new businesses, like carbon capture and storage. We recently signed multiple MOUs to explore the development of large scale CCS projects in China, Australia, The Netherlands and Indonesia. Lastly, we further strengthened our portfolio Advancing a significant refining capacity expansion on the U.

Speaker 2

S. Gulf Coast, discovering new resources in Guyana, Progressing LNG production in Mozambique and addressing non core assets with announced divestments totaling more than $3,000,000,000 We continue to invest through the pandemic with the understanding that demand would recover. With the Beaumont refinery expansion, We're on pace to increase our refining capacity on the U. S. Gulf Coast by more than 17% or 250,000 barrels per day in the Q1 of 2023.

Speaker 2

During the quarter, we also announced 2 discoveries in Guyana, Adding to the estimated recoverable resource base, which is nearly 11,000,000,000 barrels. Natural gas began flowing at Coral LNG Project Offshore Mozambique project remains on track to achieve the first LNG cargo later this year. Finally, we progressed our divestment program at an advantageous point in the cycle. Announced asset sales include XTO Energy Canada, Our Romanian upstream affiliate and our Barnett Shale gas assets, Barnett Shale divestment closed in the 2nd quarter. The other 2 are anticipated to close later this year, subject to regulatory approvals.

Speaker 2

Overall, it was a very strong quarter In both financial results and in progressing our strategic priorities, the strong second quarter results reflect a tight global market environment Demand has recovered to near pre pandemic levels and supply has retreated. The situation was made worse by the events in Ukraine, Which have contributed to increases in prices for crude, natural gas and refined products. In the Q1, Average Brent crude prices rose by about $22 per barrel. In the Q2, Brent crude prices moved up by another $12 per barrel, Pushing the benchmark marginally above the 10 year range. Natural gas prices remain well above the 10 year historical ranges Amid ongoing concerns about European supply, refining margins are even more pronounced versus the 10 year range.

Speaker 2

They remain at very high levels, reflecting the significant impact on refining capacity resulting from the pandemic. In July, we saw some relief as margins moderated with improved supply and demand balances. Global Chemical margins in contrast remain near the bottom of the cycle. However, we did see a slight improvement in the quarter, mainly in Asia Pacific. Margins in North America tightened during the quarter as product prices continue to lag the steep increases in ethane feedstock cost, consistent with higher gas prices.

Speaker 2

Before recapping our financial results, let me touch on the market environment that underpins them. As I mentioned in my pre recorded remarks, large annual investments in oil and gas production are required to offset normal depletion. Even more is required to grow net production. Prior to the pandemic, industry investments were below historical levels. The economy wide shutdowns during the pandemic exacerbated the problem.

Speaker 2

We are now experiencing tight markets across most of our businesses As supply lags demand recovery, we clearly see the tightness in supply in refining, The closure rate during the pandemic was 3 times the rate of the 2,008 financial crisis. Given the long investment cycle times, Growing supply will not happen overnight. At ExxonMobil, throughout this period, we stayed focused on the fundamentals And let our IOC peers in oil and gas investment. We leaned in when others leaned out, including investments in U. S.

Speaker 2

Refining capacity, Notably with our Beaumont refinery expansion, our investments over the last 5 years are paying off today and helping to meet the needs of families everywhere With greater supply than otherwise would be the case. While progressing investments in our traditional businesses, we are also advancing a portfolio of Consistent with our core capabilities and low carbon solutions. We expect that these too will pay off in the years ahead for our shareholders and for our environment. With that as a backdrop, let's turn to the 2nd quarter financial results. Earnings totaled nearly $18,000,000,000 on increased production, higher liquids and natural gas realizations and strong refining margins.

Speaker 2

We continue to drive efficiencies with $6,000,000,000 in structural cost savings versus 2019. We remain on track to achieve more than $9,000,000,000 in savings by 2023. CapEx was $4,600,000,000 in the quarter And $9,500,000,000 year to date. We remain on track for our full year CapEx guidance of $21,000,000,000 to $24,000,000,000 Cash flow from operations was $20,000,000,000 further strengthening our balance sheet. Our net debt to capital ratio declined to about 13%, while the growth ratio is now at 20%, the low end of our target range.

Speaker 2

We returned $7,600,000,000 to shareholders during the quarter in the form of dividends and share repurchases. The increase in distribution reflects the confidence we have in our strategy, performance we are seeing across our businesses And the renewed strength of our balance sheet. I'll conclude with a few key takeaways. As I mentioned earlier, We are now experiencing tight markets across most of our businesses as supply lags demand recovery. Our strong performance reflects The sizable investments we've been making over the past several years and our focus on the fundamentals.

Speaker 2

Those two things put us in great position To deliver increased production at a time when the world needs it most. We're continuing to increase production of low cost barrels in Guyana and the Permian. We're doing all of this while maximizing output of our existing facilities, including a new daily production record set by PNG LNG in July. Our new Corpus Christi complex was cash and earnings positive in the first half of the year with the world scale steam cracker demonstrating design capacity. Our U.

Speaker 2

S. Gulf Coast refining capacity is poised to increase by about 250,000 barrels per day with the start up of the Beaumont refinery expansion project In the Q1 of 2023, 2 new LNG projects are also advancing. Coral LNG in Mozambique set to deliver its first cargo in the second half of this year. Our Golden Pass LNG project, which will provide 18,000,000 tons per year of new LNG supplies, Remains on schedule to start up in 2024. Once completed, Golden Pass will increase LNG from the Gulf Coast by 20%.

Speaker 2

In addition, we continue to divest non strategic assets at an opportune point in the cycle. We delivered strong safety and reliability, while controlling cost. These moves are improving our asset mix, Lowering our breakevens and boosting our resiliency. Our low carbon solutions business continues to grow our portfolio of opportunities With the 4 newly announced carbon capture and storage opportunities in Australia, China, Indonesia and the Netherlands, I'm extremely proud of the work our people are doing. All their efforts are consistent with our strategic priorities, which our shareholders are being rewarded for.

Speaker 2

Today, with an even stronger balance sheet, we are well positioned to continue to invest and to drive shareholder returns throughout the cycles. Our focus on the fundamentals is unchanged. We continue to leverage our core capabilities to advance our strategic priorities and to make the investments needed in this long cycle business. With our constancy of purpose and consistent approach, We will successfully address the dual challenge, providing energy and products modern societies need, while lowering society's greenhouse gas emissions,

Speaker 1

Thank you, Darren. Please note, we're going to move to our However, please remain on the line in case we need to ask any clarifications. With that, Jennifer, could you open up the line for questions, please?

Operator

Thank you, Mrs. Driscoll. The question and answer session will be conducted electronically. We'll take our first question from Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 4

Thank you, team. One macro And then one micro question, Darren, I want to continue on this theme of energy security and you're one of the largest energy providers In Europe, and so would love your perspective on, the European energy challenges that are being faced right now. How does the continent ultimately work its way through it? And what is ExxonMobil's role in providing energy to the region?

Speaker 2

Sure. Well, good morning, Neil. I think you're touching on what is a very challenging situation today. That reflects, I think, the complexity associated with making a massive change to a System that's so critically important to people's lives. And so I think going forward and what we're seeing happening today Is a, what I'd say is a broader net being cast with respect to how we think about the transition and how that evolves, Making sure that we've got a diversified portfolio of energy and one and sources of energy that are not dependent on any one Nation state, which is, I think, an important step that we're seeing being taken.

Speaker 2

I think there'll be a drive over time to make sure that they're leveraging the resources available to them. And I'll just make one example would be The potential that we see for fracking and unconventional gas in Germany. I think the industry has proven over the years that unconventional Gas can be produced safely and you then have a secure source of supply and economically and reliable source And so I think there's an opportunity where certainly ExxonMobil could play a key role. We also have a fairly large refining footprint In Europe, we've been working hard to upgrade those facilities, make sure that we're driving their emissions footprints to 0 and Gas, in fact, if you look at our refining circuit, we reduced the use of natural gas by 65%. That's the equivalent gas used for About 2,000,000 homes in Europe.

Speaker 2

And so there are some substantial steps that we can take with respect to optimizing our current operation. Longer term, we're opening up looking at projects to expand our LNG import facilities. And of course, We are bringing LNG projects online. We've got the Golden Pass project here in the U. S, which will allow us to export LNG from the U.

Speaker 2

S. Into Europe and so we've got Mozambique and that's coming on at the back end of this year. And of course, we've got work going on in P and G. And so bringing more LNG supplies to help offset some of the Russian gas going into Europe will be another really critical step forward

Speaker 4

Thanks, Darren. The follow-up is around capital returns. Just Talk through us talk through how you're thinking about the dividend where there hasn't been a reset this year at least, and whether it makes sense To return back to dividend growth and return of capital, very strong buyback number in the quarter, How are you thinking about tracking towards the $30,000,000,000 that you outlined a couple of months ago?

Speaker 5

Sure. I'm happy to take that. So look, as you know, our first priority is to continue to invest in the business and we talked last quarter about the fact that We expected to build our cash balance to between $20,000,000,000 to $30,000,000,000 which gives us both a Strong balance sheet and a strong cash balance, which we view as a competitive advantage that provides us flexibility through the cycle. We're trying to strike the right balance in terms of share repurchases and dividends. As you know, we raised our quarterly dividend by $0.01 in the Q4 of 2021.

Speaker 5

And last quarter, we tripled the size of our share repurchase plan, which is now up to $30,000,000,000 share repurchases this year and next. So we're definitely focused on being efficient as we look to return capital to shareholders. And obviously, the share repurchase program has a secondary benefit of reducing the nominal size of our dividend. So I'd say we're trying to strike the right balance. Our Board reviews this pretty regularly, and we feel good about where we're at right now.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Kathy.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And just a reminder, single question per analyst, please. Jennifer?

Operator

We'll go next to Doug Leggate with Bank of America.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 1

Good morning.

Speaker 3

Darren, I wonder if I could ask First about natural gas in Europe. And specifically, your European gas production obviously has come down a bit over the years, but it was It was up sequentially in the Q2 when normally we see a seasonal downtrend for you guys in the summertime. Is this how we should think about your European gas production going forward that for obvious reasons it's more of a flat line? And I wonder if you could address any specific issues around further Groningen could be revisited by the Dutch government after given everything that's going on.

Speaker 2

Sure. And good morning, Doug. It's good to hear you again. With respect to demand, you're right. If you go back in time under More normal circumstances, we do see a seasonal decline in the second quarter with gas demand and that's Historically been in the numbers and we tend to foreshadow that in the Q1 typically.

Speaker 2

This year, obviously, circumstances in Europe Are very different and

Speaker 6

we actually foreshadowed

Speaker 2

the Q1 that we didn't expect

Speaker 7

to see

Speaker 2

the same kind of seasonal dip because of the Shortages that we were seeing in Europe at the time. And so I think going forward, obviously, a big question mark will be how the whole landscape and Supply picture shapes up in Europe and also obviously a big factor in gas demand will be weather. And so I think I wouldn't take this quarter as the new norm. I think we've just got to stay attuned to how the landscape develops there, what supply looks like and then obviously With respect to your question on Groningen, it's the capacity is there. It's something that the Dutch government We has control of and evaluates the circumstances and makes decisions in terms of the production that they Request our joint venture there, NAM, to produce.

Speaker 2

And so that will be a function of how the The Dutch government kind of weighs off the demand for gas versus the supplies and then the role they want to finally going to play, but the capacity is there.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you for that. Kathy, I wonder a very quick follow-up on Neil's question. I wonder if I could just ask very specifically. When you joined, I seem to recall you expressing some concern of the absolute scale of the dividend burden.

Speaker 3

Now I realize There's a lot of operational cash flow growth in the future for Exxon. But when we think about the balances of buybacks, dividend policy and so on, is your objective So it would reduce that absolute dividend burden to help us kind of calibrate what that might look like going forward? And I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Yes. So let me start with the Board and we are very focused on ensuring that we take an And obviously, share repurchases are A very efficient way to do that. As we look at the dividend, I'd say there's a number of things that we continue to evaluate. I mean, We think it's pretty critical that we have a competitive dividend and today we think we do have a competitive dividend. We do look at That nominal level of the dividend and share repurchases do have a secondary benefit of reducing that level.

Speaker 5

But I'd also tell you, Importantly, all the actions we're taking in the business reduce our breakevens, right? We talked about that a lot at Investor Day. Our breakeven We have a trajectory as we looked at the plan that we presented at Investor Day and based on that price set to kind of bring our breakevens down farther to $35 a barrel. That just builds more resiliency in the business, which makes, I'd say, the overall kind of dividend Much easy for the company to both sustain and in the future to grow. So that is how we look at it and how we And as I said previously, we're trying to strike the right balance in terms of growing that dividend and doing buybacks, which have the secondary benefit of reducing that nominal And they also are a very efficient way for us to return capital to shareholders.

Speaker 5

And then I'd say, importantly, We want to make sure we're taking an approach as it relates to our cash balance and our overall balance sheet that enables us to sustain both investments And shareholder returns through the cycle. That is how we generate the highest value for shareholders. And so we're very focused on doing that.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Kathy. Our breakeven point is very salient. So thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Devin McDermott with Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 8

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about the Permian business specifically and you continue to post strong results There and there were some comments in the posted prepared remarks on, I think, a bit of an acceleration or increase in activity broadly in short cycle in the back half And I think that's referencing the Permian specifically. So I just wonder if you could comment if that reference refers to an acceleration in activity versus your prior plans.

Speaker 8

And then also, as you think about the outlook over the next several years, could you talk a little bit about some of the inflationary trends that you're seeing in the shale business And then also the ability to offset that with efficiency gains.

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, good morning, Devin. I'll touch on that and then see if Kathy has anything to add. With respect to Permian, the plan that we laid out some time ago and we're currently executing is Hasn't changed and we had a very slight ramp up as we head through the year, but nothing significantly different than what we have been doing. The plans that we have in place should deliver and our current production is in line with that 25% growth Versus last year, which as you know was on top of 25% growth the year before.

Speaker 2

And as we saw on the package, if you look at our tight oil production in the U. S. Versus 2017, we expect to end 2022 at 3 times the level of production. So I would say the strategy remains in place. The plans that we're executing Remain in place.

Speaker 2

We're looking for opportunities within the construct that we define to extend and expand the activities. But frankly, Given the tightness in the market, the availability of rigs, there's not a whole lot of opportunity to move there, maybe I'll ask Kathy to cover the inflationary topic.

Speaker 5

Yes. So overall, I'd say we feel really good about how we're managing inflation Today, our overall structural cost savings kind of plan and program is very much on track. As of this quarter, we're now at $6,000,000,000 in overall savings kind of relative to 2019. So we're feeling pretty good about that. As we look at our kind of costs on a year over year But we feel very good that we're executing consistent with our plans and that we remain on track.

Speaker 5

We're obviously Not immune to inflation. We did a great job, certainly during the pandemic, especially when you think about our kind of longer Projects that our global project group was executing in terms of ensuring that we were at that point in time when we were in a deflationary environment, Really working hard with our service providers to extend contracts And looking to revise schedules associated with some of our projects, but still moving the engineering forward on those things So we feel good about where we're at with our CapEx programs overall and we feel good about the cost savings That we're driving. I'd also say it isn't always going to look exactly the same kind of quarter to quarter. We obviously just made some significant And we are working at constant, I'd say pipeline in this area to ensure that we're both driving greater efficiency across the business, but also effectiveness, which is equally important. So I'd say we feel really good about where we're at.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. And I'll leave it there to get back on track with the one question.

Operator

We'll go next to Steven Richardson with Evercore ISI.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you. Good morning. Darren, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the refining outlook. It's probably a more volatile environment than we've seen in a long time, certainly with Less Asian exports are certainly out of China and what's going on in Europe.

Speaker 6

So I was wondering if you could maybe just talk about that and based on your background, So some insights there would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Sure. Happy to do that, Stephen, and thanks for calling in. Yes. You say it's a volatile area. I think the thing that's really changed in the refining landscape, which has impacted we're seeing that impact across a lot of industries and parts of our business Since 2020 and as we've mentioned in our prepared presentation, 3,000,000 barrels a day of refining capacity has come out of the circuit since the pandemic and what has Typically happen, which is 3 times the rate you have historical levels.

Speaker 2

And typically, historical levels have been offset by newbuilds Coming in and of course a lot of those new builds got pushed out because of the pandemic and the lack of revenue and the extremely negative and poor refining margins. And so we've created this Whole with a lot more capacity coming offline without a whole lot of new capacity typically out in the developing and in Parts of the world in Asia and the Middle East aren't that capacity is not coming on. So we've got this gap, demand recovers, we don't have the capacity to meet that, which has led to Record high refining margins. So I think the solution there is with time for additional capacity to come on. We're pleased that we had justified a fairly large expansion in our Beaumont refinery, essentially based on transportation The biggest expansion in over a decade in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And it's one that takes advantage of the utilities and the units that we already have and the connection that we have with So a very advantaged project coming onto the market at a really good time. Outside of that, don't see a whole lot of additional expansions here in the U. S. And then As we mentioned in the presentation, over the next 2 years, probably 1,000,000 barrels a day of capacity, including the 250 at our site Coming on to the marketplaces, which is still fairly short of the capacity that came off.

Speaker 2

And so our view is we're going to see, What I'd say is a tighter supply and demand balance. One of the real question marks out there is what happens with demand. I would tell you even at 2019 levels, the market is relatively tight. And so I expect a tighter market and maybe elevated Margins versus what the historical norm is, but I would expect much lower than what we've experienced here in the second quarter. But and then with time, we'll see that capacity come back on, out in Asia and the Middle East.

Speaker 2

And the world market is very efficient and Those barrels will flow to the demand centers and balance things off. And so I think this will be a few year Price environment and we'll get back to what I think is a more typical refining industry structure.

Speaker 6

Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

You bet.

Operator

We'll go next to Jeanine Wai with Barclays. Good morning. Thanks for taking our question.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Janine.

Operator

Good morning, Darren. Our question maybe just moving to the side of things on Guyana, Exxon has had really tremendous success there and not only just from a resource perspective. Are we at the point where we should be maybe adjusting our thinking on what time lines are, just given the really good execution that you've had so far? I guess where we're going at is each phase has come on faster, capacity is creeping up in the meantime and infill opportunities, they continue to look really So at what point should we kind of be compressing timelines? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeanine. Well, you're right. We have seen really good progress What's happening out in Guyana? I think it illustrates one of the advantages of a consistency of approach And just moving from one development to the other, we started off with Liza 1 with a smaller concept to get started and recognize that we would build on that And extend on the design that we had. So we had a concept of design 1, build many.

Speaker 2

Obviously, as our discoveries mature and we get a better understanding of the reservoir and the development opportunities there. We will adjust those designs. So I think it's a function of Really the development plans that we put in place and the right project to most efficiently deliver to develop those resources And that will change as we move around that block and with the different structures And resources. So I wouldn't say, I think, stay tuned as our plans mature and we get a better line of sight to it, We'll give you updates and let you know how we see that coming. I think with Payara, we did bring that one forward and announced that recently given the We're making progress we're making and as we continue to progress the other ones, we'll update you and the rest of the market on how we see those things coming together.

Speaker 2

But I'm very encouraged and feel good about the progress we're making and hope to see continued advancement in bringing those projects forward faster.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank

Operator

you. We'll go next to Sam Margolin with Wolfe Research.

Speaker 9

Good morning. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Sam.

Speaker 9

My question is on the low carbon side. The earnings release had a nice Reminder of the list of projects you've announced and what you're involved in. Earlier this week, we had a bill drafted in Senate That addressed the key categories in low carbon for you, which are carbon capture, hydrogen and biofuels. And so I know that you've said, as you scope the low carbon business, you're not interested in sort of reacting to policy. You want to be Ahead of things and you want to try to anticipate some of the incentives that come down.

Speaker 9

So I wonder if this bill is Aligned with what you had anticipated, assuming it passes, if you think we're in the zone where Your efforts here are really going to be supported or if you think there's more work to do or other regions where there might be better opportunities in the U. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. Nahan, thanks for your question. I think it's very timely and relevant. What I would say is and what we've been talking about is We're pleased with the broader recognition that a more comprehensive set of solutions are going to be needed And so the discussion evolving from just wind and solar and EVs to carbon capture and storage and biofuels and hydrogen It's really important and the recognition globally and with governments, particularly our government, that those are important technologies that need to be developed. And importantly, the markets need to be catalyzed and early investments incentivized, we think is a really important development.

Speaker 2

And so, while we not I'm not real familiar with what's in the legislation since it's just come out, I think it is encouraging to see The recognition and the desire to try to catalyze investments in this space because as we've said, we think they're going to be Critical for society to achieve its longer term ambitions and to make significant reductions, and so it's a step in the right direction. Our portfolio, we're trying to develop a diversified approach. We've got many of the projects within the portfolio and that reduce our own emissions And do it economically. The total returns are about 10% on that portfolio. And of course, Dan, running Low Carbon Solutions, working hard And then we've got other large projects that where we anticipate incentives coming in either through the market or through policy that started the planning and development on so that as that policy develops, we'll have a project ready and moving into execution.

Speaker 2

Blue Hydrogen is one where That will be beneficial if those incentives come to pass given the concept that we have there. So I'd say generally a step in the right direction. I would also tell you moving beyond the U. S. And more broadly looking around the world, a much more Significant and serious effort in terms of looking for opportunities in the carbon capture, Hydrogen and ammonia space and the biofuel space, and I've been pleased at The interest for governments all around the world and partners all around the world to engage with ExxonMobil and to leverage The capabilities we can bring to this space to help develop large scale projects that make significant reductions in emission.

Speaker 2

So I'd say, really positive vectors in this space and we feel good about how we're positioned.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Jason Gabelman with Cowen.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about the current investment Environment, just given what's going on geopolitically in Russia. And I think there's 2 schools of thought out there. One that this is kind of accelerating A push to invest in new lower carbon energy because the current energy system has all these geopolitical risks and another one that in fact We need to invest in more hydrocarbons because the world is clearly short that.

Speaker 10

So I'm just hoping you could kind of frame broadly Where you think the industry, government, how the conversations have gone and if you think The crisis that we're currently in is accelerating the push towards green or energy or hydrocarbons? Thanks.

Speaker 2

You bet, Jason. I think the short answer is yes. It's incentivizing I think both of those. And I think that's appropriate to look where there's an opportunity to take advantage of what I'll call the natural endowments in terms of Sun and wind to deploy those technologies and renewable technologies to generate power. But at the same time, I think there's a recognition that there are deficiencies in those technologies.

Speaker 2

And while they offer an important solution and are necessary, they're not sufficient. And so I think, same time, a recognition that we need to do more, With gas, given its cleaner footprint and I think a recognition as I was just speaking with Sam about The challenge here is emissions, not oil and gas itself, it's the combustion of oil and gas and the emissions associated with that. And so Dealing with emissions through carbon capture and storage is another opportunity to address the problem at a much lower cost And in a much quicker timeframe. And so my sense in the conversations I'm having with governments around the world Is a recognition of this broader approach, a basket of technologies are going to be needed and emphasis should be put on all the ones For the right reasons at the right time and consciously and explicitly recognizing the deficiencies and making sure that we're mitigating those Deficiencies. I was just in Europe and having a conversation with some of the government leaders there and clearly recognize The challenge associated with renewables, wind and solar and the intermittency issue and a recognition that gas and gas Powered fired Power Gen will be an important backstop to address that intermittency.

Speaker 2

So I think there's A much more holistic approach being taken and a more thoughtful one, and I think that's encouraging.

Speaker 11

Thanks.

Speaker 2

You bet. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Biraj Borkhataria with Royal Bank of Canada.

Speaker 12

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I have just one quick follow-up and then one question. So The follow-up is on Groningen again. Understand it's a government decision, but you talked about the technical capacity to Increased volumes there, are you able to quantify what is the capacity? Because in the past that field has produced So up to 50 BCM historically, many, many years ago.

Speaker 12

And then the question I had is on your comments on Liza. You mentioned the first phase was producing above design capacity. I asked a few quarters ago about Papua New Guinea, which is also producing above capacity and you have quite a good track record there of increasing the nameplate capacity More than once. So could you talk about the opportunity at leisure and potentially quantify How far above capacity you could go for the additional units? Because presumably your targets are based on Design capacity only, but it'd be good to get some color on that.

Speaker 12

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, you bet, Raj. What I would say is, on Groningen, there's significant capacity there. Obviously, there's a balance that has Be struck and I know the Dutch government is very focused on responsible production there as are we. And so, I think it won't be a limit of the capacity, There'll more be a limit as to what the government thinks is necessary to produce given the circumstances there. So I don't know that there's a I wouldn't think of it as a capacity limit with respect to the facilities that we have there, but more of what do we want to do to try to balance the risk and the rewards associated with Production out of that field.

Speaker 2

On the expansion and going above design capacity, I would tell you, I've been very, very Pleased and frankly proud of the organization, the work they've done, really across the entire portfolio. You mentioned Liza and P and G, which are both Really good examples and ones that we've highlighted. But I would tell you, almost all the new projects that we're bringing on, as we line those out And get them up and running. The teams get very quickly focused on debottlenecking and optimizing and taking it above production Capacity. And so I think we've got a long history of that.

Speaker 2

I think the way we have organized our technology and engineering organization now where we can leverage The learnings and capabilities and competencies, every part of the organization, onto any one particular asset is a huge, huge Competitive leverage and in fact that's part of the improvements that we're seeing. In fact at P and G, We brought downstream historical downstream optimization technology into that upstream traditionally upstream facility, and That's making a big difference and we're seeing that across a number of different platforms. So I don't have A new number to give you in terms of how to think about these, I would just tell you that you should feel comfortable that the organization will continue to push And strive for getting the most of the kit that we build and the projects that we bring online. And we'll give you updates as we're moving through here and the organization Successful with that, to let you know how we're doing and growing that production.

Speaker 12

Could you say how far above name to the capacity Liza-one is producing?

Speaker 5

10% above.

Speaker 12

Thank you.

Speaker 2

You bet.

Operator

We'll go next to Roger Read with Wells Fargo.

Speaker 13

Yes, thanks. Good morning. Morning. Maybe coming back to a couple of the policy questions that have been asked. You have Slide 5 in the presentation, right, shows Investment maybe where it should be versus where it is and where it's projected.

Speaker 13

And then I'm just curious as we think about some of the Policy you talked about maybe checking the box of all of the above as you're meeting with various governments. Would that allow the global investment to get back on the track necessary As we look out over several years and if not, wouldn't that indicate

Speaker 14

that we're going

Speaker 13

to be looking at multiple years Above normal or above, let's call it mid cycle commodity prices. Because when I think about A $41 breakeven, maybe $60,000,000 $65 mid cycle, but an underinvestment situation that says oil prices are likely to Doesn't that set up Exxon very well to think one of the questions asked earlier, be more aggressive on the cash returns front. Just curious how you think about Sliding together.

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, I think, Raji, it's a complicated space you're asking about, But a good one, I do think if over time policymakers focus on what I think The real challenge with the energy transition is, which is dealing with emissions and the broader door opens for, say, carbon capture Storage or hydrogen and specifically blue hydrogen that that opens up the door for Additional oil and gas and the receptionist of oil and gas coming on the marketplace, which I think frankly is important just given the cost Associated with the transition, if you can find ways to use existing infrastructure and don't have to rewire your entire industrial processes And Power Generation Systems, that's going to be a win for society as we bring down emissions. And so That may open the door. I think that will just time will tell. And if that does, obviously, the demand changes and Maybe that incentivizes more investment and gets you back into the range that's shown on the chart.

Speaker 2

From our perspective, What will change our investment is finding these advantaged opportunities. I think our view has been and continues We're going to look for the opportunities where we can leverage the capabilities and competitive advantage of the corporation and generate in the pipeline that we think will do that. And so as we are successful in securing those opportunities or developing them, you'll see those come into the portfolio. And frankly, the size of that investment will be a function of kind of how big those or the number of those projects that we find that are advantaged So that's kind of the how I would summarize it.

Speaker 13

Can I just ask one kind of clarification on that? If you think about and I understand you're doing a lot of things in a lot of different places, but if you think about your investment relative to those Various lines, right? What's projected? What's necessary? And where Exxon is today?

Speaker 13

Where do you feel Exxon Fits on that curve?

Speaker 2

Well, I would say, Raj, you've got to put what we're doing today and what we've got planned going forward in the context what we've been doing over the last 5 years, you will recall back in 2018, we talked about aggressively investing in these opportunities and doing it counter cyclically, while others were pulling back, we were cleaning in and that meant that we spent and you will recall this, we got a lot of pressure on this Criticism is spending that money upfront out of the cycle, which I think can continue I think is paying off today. I think that was the right strategy is Not to ramp up spending in the heat of the moment or the heat of the market. And so that strategy is paying off. You've got to look across that time cycle and I would say aggregate the investments We've been making. My expectation is we'll see we'll continue to see cycles in this industry.

Speaker 2

We're going to continue to look for the particularly in the down cycle to bring Advantage Investments forward and that's the way we're going to be thinking about and looking at it.

Speaker 13

Thank you.

Speaker 2

You bet.

Operator

We'll go next to Neal Dingmann with Truist.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Thanks for the time. Darren, my question is again on shareholder returns specifically, given the massive amount of cash you all have on the books post the Nice quarterly cash flow. Would you all consider externally ramping up some more of the shorter cycle return assets like your Permian position Given based on our number, what looks like to be notable discounts that many of the independent producers are trading at versus the strength?

Speaker 2

Yes. So in terms of our organic opportunities in the Permian, We're not going to step outside of the strategy that we developed in terms of driving Capital efficient production in the Permian. You'll recall, we've talked about the corridor approach that we're Pursuing in the Delaware, the fact that we've pre invested in facilities there, we've got a very Aggressive technology program that we've been working on for some time now that's being built and brought into Our production and drilling there and one of the reasons why we're seeing some of the advances and cost and efficiency It's driven by a lot of that work we've been doing in the technology space. We've got more technology that we were looking to bring into that. And so that's Helping the development and the productivity of that development, we don't want to get too far ahead of that.

Speaker 2

So there are a lot of parameters that we're Produce there at very low cost, have very low breakevens and high cash flow. That's the way we're thinking about it.

Speaker 7

But no thoughts of like we did in 2017 or 2018. I think it's 2017 buying externally buying Other assets in the Permian outside of the largest position you already have?

Speaker 2

I think we are always looking for acquisition opportunities. That has been That's always on the radar. And as you know, the key secret or the key advantage there you got to find is assets that fit With your advantages that you can bring additional value and accrued value through an acquisition. Absolutely, that remains on the radar. I think as we work these technologies, as we advance Our processes and techniques, that opens up additional advantage, which we can then look at and apply to Other potential opportunities.

Speaker 2

So that's kind of the formula that we have there and we're keeping our eyes open.

Speaker 7

Well said. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2

You bet. Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next to Manav Gupta with Credit Suisse.

Speaker 14

Hi, guys. My quick question here is, we are hearing some worries on we have a debate if U. S. Is in a recession or not in a recession globally, also same debate. I'm just trying to understand whether it's your refining business or your chemicals business.

Speaker 14

Are you seeing any early signs of recessionary demand kicking in or demand destruction, Whether it relates to the refining business or maybe your commodity chemical business, if you could help us understand how demand is trending in somewhat of a Challenging GDP or Global Economic Data. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure, Mario. I'll take a crack at that and then see if Kathy has anything to add. I think certainly the dialogue that I've heard externally in this space is it's a complex picture To try to dissect to understand and of course the debate are we in recession or non recession, I think is in part A factor of this complicated landscape that we're looking at. I would say within our industry, it's no less complicated when you think about a lot of the supply constraints, Some logistics challenges that we're facing. So it's difficult to get a real clear read on what's driving Variation demand quarter on quarter, month on month, given some of those logistics challenges that we're seeing, inventory withdrawals and builds.

Speaker 2

And so A complicated space, I think. Bottom line is I wouldn't tell you that we're seeing something that would say we are in a recession or near recession, But I would also say that it's a complex picture frankly. The demand destruction question that you asked, I wouldn't tie and what we have seen Obviously, earlier this year as prices really spiked up, there is a level of discretionary demand And we saw some of that demand come off with very high prices. As prices have come back down again, you're seeing some of that recover. And so I would say that's just The normal price response that you see with respect to demand and not tied to, Say a more macroeconomic picture.

Speaker 2

Kathy, do

Speaker 5

you have anything to add? Yes. The only other thing I would add to that is overall when you look at Demand recovering from the lows of the pandemic. 1 of the laggards has been Jet A obviously. And Jet continues to lag, but is obviously starting to pick up now as people are starting to travel and International travel restrictions have reduced, which means people are also starting to travel a bit more internationally.

Speaker 5

But we continue to also see some effects of The fact that China was in lockdowns in the second quarter certainly kind of impacted our chemical business a little bit, right? And so we saw a bit of our volumes coming off there, specifically in Asia responding to that. So there's going to continue associated with just the overall macro environment. The last thing I said is we tend to be an organization That prepares for the worst and hopes for the best. So I tell you, we're certainly preparing for every eventuality.

Speaker 14

Thank you for the response and congrats on a great quarter.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from John Royall with JPMorgan.

Speaker 15

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. My question is on the Chemicals business. I know you've had some headwinds in 2Q from both a margin and a volume perspective. You had called out China lockdown specifically and that piece might be a little tough to forecast.

Speaker 15

But can you speak to your outlook there for the second half in both the U. S. And globally in the Chemicals business?

Speaker 2

Sure. I'll start off on that and then see if Kathy wants to add anything. I would tell you, what we're seeing here in the Q2 and we made reference to is, While the ethane advantage that we have in the U. S, North America still is an advantage versus The rest of the world, as gas prices go up and crude prices moderate and more Naphtha is out there that advantage weekends and we saw that with respect to the margin, but still, reasonably healthy demand and good demand growth Year on year, China obviously is an important market. And so as we move in and out of lockdowns there, that will have an impact on our chemicals demand.

Speaker 2

The automotive market is an important market and with some of the challenges they've had there with chips and production issues that has had in the short Term impacts and we'll have to see how those get resolved. My expectation is as that gets resolved in automotive production that was to pick up, we'd see that Again, recovered within our portfolio. So, that's kind of the landscape that we see today and it will really be a function of Where does China end up going with respect to its response to COVID? That's how that's. Kathy, Anything to add?

Speaker 5

Yes. The only thing I would add is, as we look forward, there are more supply Coming on in chemicals specifically and so we can see projects. Most of them are targeted in China and China is obviously long term, one of the fastest growing Markets for chemicals, but we're also seeing some additional supply that's going to come on in North America. And this is obviously part of the cyclicality in the business. Supply tends to come on in large chunks and it takes a little while for overall supply and demand To then come back in balance.

Speaker 5

So that's the only other thing that I would add.

Speaker 1

Thanks. I think we have time for one more question, Jennifer.

Operator

Looks like we have time for one more question. Our last question will be from Ryan Todd from Piper Sandler.

Speaker 11

Yes, thanks. Maybe just one follow-up on some of the earlier comments on the low carbon businesses. On the carbon capture front, You call out a number of projects in the release. You're progressing a number of those different projects around the world. As you look at these I mean, how would you describe the commonalities in these projects?

Speaker 11

What is and isn't working on carbon capture? Are there technical similarities that are driving progress in these locations or Specific progress or projects, political or fiscal support and what are some of the key things that you need to see either technically or regulatory wise To kind of to grow this business further, I'd say.

Speaker 2

Sure. Yes. Thanks, Ryan. I think if you look At today's technology, it has applicability, it's economic For more concentrated streams of CO2, as you move down the seriatim of Emissions, so to speak, and the CO2 concentration becomes more and more dilute, that existing technology becomes more and more expensive. Think that's one of the key challenges.

Speaker 2

And so one of the areas that we're working with our technology organizations is developments in technology that allow We're going to continue to see more economic capture of more dilute CO2 streams. And so I would say that's one constraint that's going to require technical advances To make it more affordable going forward. But outside that, within the streams that have the necessary concentration to make Existing technology work, key variables will be storage and access to storage And access to storage that's geographically close, logistically close because another key point will be the transportation cost. And so Kind of requires concentrated streams of CO2, good logistics systems and storage, abundant storage that's Close by, you put those things together, you've got an equation that you can make these projects work with relatively modest Incentive schemes, in fact, that's what you're seeing with the Houston Hub Carbon Capture Project We've tabled a very large source of somewhat concentrated CO2 streams that's logistically close to a good storage in the Gulf of Mexico. All those equations come together that require additional incentives, but something that would be reasonably inexpensive compared to the cost And as you move around the world, the projects that we're looking at have similar Constructs to make that those projects viable and then obviously the governments are looking at what kind of policy would be required to help support those projects.

Speaker 3

Thank

Speaker 2

you.

Speaker 7

Thank

Speaker 1

you, Ren. Thank you, Darren. I think we're out of time. Have a nice weekend everybody and I'll turn it back to our operator to conclude our call. Jennifer?

Speaker 2

Thanks.

Operator

This concludes today's call. We thank everyone again for their participation.

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