NYSE:UHS Universal Health Services Q4 2022 Earnings Report $181.73 -2.04 (-1.11%) As of 05/9/2025 03:59 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Universal Health Services EPS ResultsActual EPS$3.02Consensus EPS $2.96Beat/MissBeat by +$0.06One Year Ago EPS$2.95Universal Health Services Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$3.45 billionExpected Revenue$3.40 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$50.49 millionYoY Revenue Growth+5.20%Universal Health Services Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2022Date2/27/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, February 28, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsUniversal Health Services' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 23, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, July 25, 2025 at 4:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Universal Health Services Q4 2022 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 28, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00I'm Steve Filton. Mark Miller is joining us this morning. Welcome to this review of Universal Health Services results for the Q4 ended December 31, 2022. During the conference call, we'll be using words such as believes, expects, anticipates, estimates and similar words that represent forecasts, projections and forward looking statements. For anyone not familiar with the risks and uncertainties inherent in these forward looking statements, I recommend a careful reading of the section on risk factors and forward looking statements and risk factors in our Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2022. Operator00:00:42We'd like to highlight just a couple of developments and business trends before opening the call up to questions. As discussed in our press release last night, the company reported net income attributable to UHS per diluted share of $2.43 for the Q4 of 2022. After adjusting for the impact of the items reflected on the supplemental schedule as included with the press release, primarily an asset impairment charge associated with an acute care hospital in Las Vegas, Our adjusted net income attributable to UHS per diluted share was $3.02 for the quarter ended December 31, 2022. Speaker 100:01:22During the Q4, our acute care hospitals experienced a decrease in the number of patients with a COVID diagnosis treated in our hospitals as compared to the prior year quarter. As a percentage of total admissions, COVID diagnosed patients made up 7% of our admissions in the Q4 of 2021, but only about half of that percentage of admissions in the Q4 of 2022. This decline in COVID patients resulted in reduced revenues due to the lower acuity and less of the incremental government reimbursement associated with COVID patients. While overall surgical volumes tended to recover to pre pandemic levels. There was a measurable shift from inpatient to outpatient, resulting in further overall revenue softness. Speaker 100:02:22Meanwhile, the amount of premium pay in the quarter, which declined from a peak of $153,000,000 in the first quarter was $85,000,000 in the 4th quarter, similar to what it was in the Q3. In total, there was insufficient revenue growth to offset the accelerated rate of wage increases and other inflationary pressures, leading to an acute EBITDA result in the quarter below our internal forecasts. At the same time, this decline in COVID activity allowed our behavioral hospitals to continue to reduce their labor vacancies, resulting in a reduction of the capping of bed capacity. The effect of the increased revenue largely offset higher labor costs, leading to a behavioral EBITDA result in the quarter more in line with our internal forecasts. Operator00:03:20You also note that the 4th quarter included approximately $10,000,000 of losses related to startup facilities. Our cash generated from operating activities was $297,000,000 during the Q4 of 2022 as compared to $322,000,000 during the same quarter in 2021. The decline was largely due to the opening of new facilities and the timing of receipt of certain supplemental reimbursements. We spent $734,000,000 on capital expenditures during 2020 Speaker 200:03:54to the Operator00:03:54reaction to the earnings softness experienced during the year, we reduced the pace of our capital expenditure spend by about 1 quarter from our original plans for the year. Similarly, we moderated the trajectory of our share repurchases. For the full year of 2022, we acquired $811,000,000 of our own shares pursuant to our share repurchase program. Since the inception of the current share repurchase program in 2014, we have repurchased more than 20% of the company's outstanding shares. As of December 31, 2022, we had $886,000,000 of aggregate available borrowing capacity pursuant to our $1,200,000,000 revolving credit facility. Speaker 100:04:42Our 2023 operating results forecast, which was provided in last night's release, envisions 2023 as a year of continued transition into a post pandemic world. We anticipate that volumes in both segments and acuity in our acute business will continue their recovery trajectory and gradually begin to resemble the patterns we experienced before the pandemic. Similarly, We expect to be able to reduce premium pay by about 1 third in 2023 from 2022 levels as we continue to increase hiring rates and reduce turnover as a result of multiple recruitment and retention programs that have been implemented over the last few years. Again, we've assumed these improvements will occur incrementally during the year, but will be partially offset by wage pressures created by a continued shortage of nurses and other clinical personnel and by broader inflationary pressures affecting our other expenses. We note that in our acute segment, Physician subsidy expense is specifically anticipated to increase by a substantial amount. Speaker 100:06:00Other headwinds that are reflected in our 2023 forecast are approximately $100,000,000 in COVID related reimbursement received in 2022 but phased out in 2023, as well as a reduction of about $30,000,000 in supplemental reimbursement payments as disclosed in our 10 ks. Finally, we will incur a significant increase in interest expense in 2023, about 3 quarters of which is due to rising interest rates and the remainder to increased borrowings. Despite these challenges, we note that some of the operating indicators in early 2023 have been encouraging, especially in our behavioral health business. During the pandemic, we have found the pace of recovery from several of the aforementioned challenges has often been slower than we originally anticipated and have reflected that gradual cadence of recovery in our forecast. However, we remain confident in the fundamental strength of both our business segments given our well positioned hospital franchises around the country. Speaker 100:07:12We are pleased to answer questions at this time. Speaker 300:07:16Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first call comes from the line of Andrew Mok with USB. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:07:47Hi, good morning. You mentioned softer revenue in the acute segment due to lower acuity. Can you elaborate on the trends in surgical volumes and underlying acuity that you saw in the Q4 and what do you have embedded in the guide for 2023 or when do you expect that to normalize? Operator00:08:05Thanks. Yes, Andrew. So I think as Mark remarked in his commentary, And you can see in our press release metrics, revenue per adjusted admission was actually down for the quarter. I think attributable to a few factors. One is the decline in COVID patients, those COVID patients, particularly last year, particularly the Omicron patients tended to be higher acuity patients and the loss of those patients and the loss of their good reimbursement reduces our acuity and our revenue. Operator00:08:38In addition to that, Mark talked about the shift, the accelerated shift from inpatient to outpatient. Our surgical volumes in Q4 actually were probably 3% or 4% above what they were in Q4 of 2019, the last pre pandemic quarter or full pre pandemic quarter. But clearly there's been an accelerated shift. I think that outpatient procedures are probably up 7% or 8% and inpatient procedures are sort of flattish. So I think those are the main drivers of the acuity softness in Q4. Operator00:09:16As far as what we have built into the guidance for next year, I think again as Mark's sort of comments reflected, I think we're projecting a gradual sort of return to normalcy. So for the year, I think our general notion is that Acute Care revenue per adjusted admission should increase probably in that 2% to 4% range, which would be much closer to sort of the historical norms. Speaker 300:09:45Our next call comes from the line of Stephen Baxter with Wells Fargo. Speaker 500:10:00Or at least directionally by segment. Appreciating the color you gave on some of the one time items in the acute care business. Sounds like that's likely the source of maybe some of the beer on your pressure there. It would be great if you could elaborate a little bit on what you're expecting for year over year margin trends in both acute and behavioral business? Thanks. Operator00:10:17Yes, Steve, I think we missed the beginning part of your question somehow. So if you wouldn't mind repeating it, I apologize. Speaker 500:10:24Yes, sorry about that. So So, yes, the additional color on EBITDA growth and top line growth by segment will be great. Just trying to understand a little bit when we Year over year margin pressure, where that's coming from. It sounds like with some of the items you flagged on the acute side, it looks like that's probably it, but Just a better sense of on the direction of margin trends in both businesses. Thanks. Operator00:10:47Yes. So I think on the acute side, there are specific headwinds, again, most of which I think Mark elaborated on. 1, probably the biggest one is the $100,000,000 of COVID related reimbursement, that includes the Medicare 20 percent add on, the HRSA reimbursement, the Medicare sequestration waiver, all of which get phased out at one point or another already phased out in 2023. I'll throw into that, although not COVID related, another $10,000,000 or so of 340B reimbursement that's going to get recouped in 2023. In addition to that, There is Mark noted about $30,000,000 of supplemental Medicaid reimbursement that declines next year. Operator00:11:35That's about 20 in the behavioral business and 10 in the acute business. I think the other main issue is that even though again as Mark commented, We're expecting premium pay to decline another 1 third, maybe another $150,000,000 $160,000,000 in 2023. What our experience has been is that The savings from that and there certainly are some savings, but the savings from that are offset to a large degree by increased base wages, recruitment incentives, sign on bonuses, that sort of thing. I think what our Guidance, particularly in the acute business implies or assumes is that all those trends sort of incrementally improve as the year goes But those are the headwinds, I think, specifically on the acute side of the business that mainly sort of tend to suppress the margins. And on the behavioral side, it's really more on the labor side. Operator00:12:41I mean, I think where We're at in both businesses is that at the moment, even though revenues are recovering, particularly on the behavioral side, salary expense or wage expense is still outpacing the growth in revenues. I think we believe that By the second half of twenty twenty three, that begins to sort of stabilize and we start to sort of get to a more normalized historical pattern of revenue growth exceeding salary growth. But in the first half of the year, that's not the case. And again, I think that's probably the main driver of the margin pressure next year. Speaker 300:13:21Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Casola with Citi. Jason? Speaker 600:13:30Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to ask about the move to wind down inpatient operations at your Desert Springs Hospital. Maybe just can you unpack that a bit more, in the decision there? What the EBITDA lift could be on the go forward? Speaker 600:13:44And then anything else to note from a competitive As we think about your Las Vegas market broadly. Thanks. Speaker 100:13:51Yes, sure. I can answer that for you. So we That's a very important market for us. We've been looking at the whole market the market as a whole for many years. We continue to try to build where we can at current properties as well as some of our de novo projects. Speaker 100:14:12We have a new project that's going in that is really we're looking at it as a replacement hospital for Desert Springs. Originally, we had hoped to keep Desert Springs operating longer into the future and closer to our opening date, if not all the way up to our opening date for our new West Henderson Hospital. But the market dynamics caused us to have to accelerate the plan there. So what we've done basically is we're moving that hospital to a glorified emergency services facility and we'll continue to run those services even after we have our new hospital in West Henderson bill. And we're really transferring just about all of those employees to other Valley System facility. Speaker 100:15:04So we're it's been misreported that we're laying off a lot of employees. In fact, we're really not. And like I said, just about every one of those employees is finding a home in another one of our hospitals, which has helped alleviate some of the staffing pressures that we've had. So that's really the situation. I don't know the timing on the numbers. Speaker 100:15:26West Henderson won't be open for about another year and a half, I want to say middle to late 'twenty four. Operator00:15:34Right. Yes. Speaker 300:15:39Our next question comes from the line of A. J. Rice with Credit Suisse. A. J? Speaker 700:15:47Hi, everybody. Thanks. Maybe just two items and when I think about your outlook, I think you mentioned that you're assuming an uptick in physician subsidy expense. I wondered what's happening there. I know in the back half of the year, your other operating expense in 2022 seem to step up. Speaker 700:16:05Are you just assuming that continues or is there something else going on there and chances to mitigate? And then any update on your capital employment, thoughts. I know you probably got some share repurchase in the 2023 outlook. Can you just comment on that and anything else that you're thinking about from a capital Operator00:16:25standpoint. Sure, A. J. Yes, so physician subsidy expense, I think, has been kind of an emerging challenge for most of the acute hospital industry, I would say, for at least the back half of twenty twenty two. And I think most acknowledge it will continue into next year. Operator00:16:43So that's when we talk about that, we're really talking about the Generally, the contract service expense we pay to physicians who are providing services in our emergency rooms, emergency rooms, anesthesiologists, radiologists, those are probably the major groups. And you're right, we have seen some increase in those expenses this year. I think we continue to assume that 2023 will probably result in another 15% to 20% increase in those expenses and the magnitude of that is probably a $45,000,000 $50,000,000 increase in costs. Now I think long term, we have a number of strategies to deal with that cost pressure including in sourcing some of that activity to the degree that we can and competitively bidding contracts etcetera. I think at the moment, we're caught in a tough situation because it's difficult to change those arrangements in the short term. Operator00:17:48But In the long term, I think a lot of those pressures are a result of some of the internal struggles that some of those larger staffing physician staffing companies are having. And I think as those work their way out and the market adjusts, we will see some easing of that in future years. But yes, we've assumed as Mark said, a substantial increase in 2023. As far as capital deployment goes, we've got embedded in the budget about $600,000,000 of share repurchase assumed. And we've also got about $800,000,000 of capital expense or capital expenditures assumed in the budget as we've disclosed in the press release. Speaker 300:18:38Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Villaliquetz with Barclays. Steven? Speaker 400:18:46Good morning, everybody. Just on the behavioral side of the business, obviously on prior calls you talked about one of those challenges obviously being in your storage Yes, impacting some of the volume that you could generate otherwise. Just curious if you can think about Operator00:19:03Steve, can Speaker 300:19:16Would you please restate your question? Steven? Speaker 400:19:23I'm not sure it's better now or not. Speaker 800:19:26Yes, that's better. Thank you. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:19:29Okay. Sure, I apologize. Okay. So just on the behavioral side, obviously, talked about labor shortages last year to impact the volume that Operator00:19:43Steve, I apologize. You're breaking up again. Maybe you can try to call back with it on a different line. Speaker 300:19:48Yes, Stephen, you can reenter the queue. Call back in and reenter the queue by dialing star 11 on your keypad. We'll go to our next questioner who is Justin Lake with Wolfe Research. Speaker 200:20:06Can you hear me okay? Speaker 300:20:07Justin. Speaker 800:20:09Yes, we can. Yes. Good. Thanks. Speaker 200:20:13So Steve, I was hoping, it sounds like there's a very different trajectory Between the acute business given the headwinds there and the behavioral business, which seems to be acting better. So within the full year guidance, Can you give us a little color on the growth we should expect year over year broken down between the acute business, Behavioral business and then maybe even the kind of corporate segment would be helpful as well. And then Mark, maybe you could give us a little more color on what you're seeing on this shift from inpatient to outpatient and what's driving that? How big an impact is it having and how are you thinking about it in the 2023? Thanks. Operator00:20:55Yes. So looking at the 2 segments discretely, I think as we've suggested a number of times in the past, we thought that as COVID volumes declined, The recovery in the behavioral business would be more accelerated than in the acute in large part because There was never any benefit to increased COVID volume on the behavioral business. We didn't get paid anymore for patients. And quite frankly, it created more staffing challenges. It created more sort of patient matching challenges, that sort of thing. Operator00:21:34So What I think you saw in the Q4 and I think a continuation quite frankly what we saw in the Q3 was as COVID volumes declined, And I think Mark commented on this at the outset of the call. We've been able to more successfully fill our nursing and other clinical vacancies and as a consequence have been able to incrementally improve our volumes particularly as measured by patient days. And that continues into next year with the challenges I indicated I think in an earlier call is The price we've had to pay to fill those vacancies is higher base wages and some incentive payments and that sort of thing, which I think suppresses margins certainly at the beginning of the year, although hopefully they improve as the year progresses. But probably At the end of the day, the 2023 forecast assumes Slightly increased margins in the behavioral business. The acute business, a little bit different as we talked about. Operator00:22:43They have to replace the benefit of the COVID volumes that they had. They've got to deal with the headwinds that we We're specific about it, such. So at the end of the day, I think that acute care EBITDA is relatively flat in 2023, which means margins are down slightly. We have some increase in corporate costs, Things like our equity stock equity compensation or incentive compensation because we're assuming that We'll meet targets more fully in 2023 than we did in 2022, so that sort of thing. So I think Slightly increasing margins in the behavioral side, slightly declining on the acute side and some kind of disparate sorts of cost increases on the corporate side to get to the full budget guidance that we provided. Speaker 100:23:47And with regards to your question on inpatient versus outpatient, I mean, I think we're seeing what many are seeing, which is a continued shift to outpatient that has been accelerated through the pandemic. We're trying to continue to do a lot of things that we've been doing the last few years, which is to ensure that we have the proper caseload in our inpatient surgical areas, especially with the increases in costs for staffing those areas. We want to make sure that we have the proper acuity. We're not doing low level cases, really outpatient cases in an inpatient setting, where we can't cover the cost properly. So our shift I think is pretty similar to a lot of others. Speaker 100:24:37We are also trying to accelerate our development of surgical centers so that we have more opportunities and more platforms for all of our surgery cases and as many markets as possible. So we continue to develop those as we find opportunities to do so. Speaker 300:25:00Thank you. Our next call comes from the line of Pito Speaker 600:25:11Behavioral, how many beds can you hear me? Speaker 800:25:16Yes. Speaker 100:25:17Yes, we can hear you now. Speaker 600:25:18Okay, there we go. On behavioral, How many beds are left, that you can't staff and how do you think that ramps during 2023? And as staffing and behavioral becomes easier post COVID, I'm wondering what areas of healthcare were the biggest source of those hires. And then finally, as you can start staffing again, do you increase your CapEx for behavioral beds to keep driving growth there over the next few years. Operator00:25:44Yes. So, Peter, it's I'll give you a number. I mean, I think we're down to a few 100 beds in behavioral that we would consider capped in on most days. Now to be fair, that number can change literally day to day, etcetera. So we do still feel like their patients are turned away in certain situations because we don't have appropriate staffing. Operator00:26:10A lot of times that may be specific to, let's say a weekend or overnight staffing or it really does differ by facility. But you're right, I mean, that's probably been the single biggest headwind for the behavioral business during the pandemic, in large part because we were losing employees, mostly nurses, but other clinical personnel, therapists, psychologists, etcetera, to other settings where either they had the opportunity to work remotely or they had the opportunity to work in an acute care setting making sort of premium dollars. As those opportunities have declined and I think telemedicine procedures have tended to decline as the pandemic has eased and certainly the Demand from acute care hospitals for COVID treating nurses, I think has declined as well. We're seeing more of those nurses return to what I would describe as the behavioral fold. To your sort of last question, yes, I mean, obviously, We've been more tempered, if you will, about behavioral capacity addition during the pandemic because the thought was What's the point of adding additional capacity if we're not going to be able to staff it? Operator00:27:33But as those staffing pressures continue to ease, I think we've made the point throughout the pandemic that we think that the underlying demand for behavioral services across the full continuum is quite strong and robust, and we still believe that. And so, yes, we are certainly looking and trying to gauge in individual markets where Additional capacity may be called for because the demand is there and because we feel like we can adequately staff any additional capacity that we build. Speaker 600:28:08Great. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:28:10Thank you. Our next call will come from the line of Kevin Fischbeck with Speaker 900:28:24Hey, great. Speaker 800:28:24Hey, Ben. Speaker 900:28:26Hey. So I guess on the call last quarter, You mentioned that I think that there's a tailwind this year from startup losses year over year. Can you just remind us kind of how we should be thinking about that? And then you kind of in your opening remarks mentioned that this year is kind of a still a normalization off of COVID. I mean, do you feel like 2023 It's now going to be a solid base off of which we should be expecting normal growth in acute and psych? Speaker 900:28:55Or do you feel like because of the way you're assuming progression through the year on these dynamics that even 2024 could see some year over year Skewed comparisons. Thanks. Operator00:29:09Yes. So as far as your first question on startup losses, Kevin, We mentioned in or I mentioned in today's call that we had $10,000,000 in the quarter. I think we had said at the in our 3rd quarter call that we had $45,000,000 of year to date startup losses. So $55,000,000 for the year. The biggest chunk of that is our acute care hospital that we opened early in 2022 in Reno, that's probably a $30,000,000 $35,000,000 swing from 2022, 2023, a positive swing. Operator00:29:41The other $15,000,000 $20,000,000 of losses are a handful, maybe 3 or 4 behavioral openings in the year, maybe 4 or 5. And We probably have a similar number of openings next year. I think we believe we'll do a little bit better emerging from the pandemic and getting these things ramping up faster. But I wouldn't necessarily describe that as a material tailwind. So I think we've got about a $30,000,000 $35,000,000 tailwind in the budget for our turnaround in our Reno Hospital. Operator00:30:15As far as just sort of how we think about 2023, is it sort of kind of a clean post pandemic year. Mark made comments In his opening remarks about the idea that number 1, I think we view 2023 as a transition year And we do so because I think one of the lessons that we've learned during the pandemic is that even as COVID volumes declined, There is this sort of transition period as nurses return to their regular jobs and physicians return to their regular practices and patients return to their regular utilization practices, etcetera. So I think we think about that occurring gradually over the course of 2023. I would say probably the back half of twenty twenty three looks a lot more like maybe the back half of twenty nineteen, the last sort of COVID free half a year that we've experienced. And then 2024, I would imagine, unless there is some unforeseen development, begins to look like a really true post pandemic year. Speaker 900:31:35Great. Thanks. Speaker 300:31:45Our next call comes from the line of Jamie Pierce with Goldman Sachs. Jamie, please stand by. Jamie? Speaker 1000:31:58Hey, good morning. Can you guys hear me okay? Speaker 300:32:00Yes. Speaker 1000:32:01We can. Okay, great. First, just a quick numbers question. Can you provide the revenue base for the Assurance subsidiary and what the margin looks like on that. And then, my longer term question is just for in this structurally higher wage inflation environment for nurses given the tightness in that market. Speaker 1000:32:22What can you do over the medium term to just get more efficient? What does that mean for care team design or investment in labor saving technology? It's just anything you're doing to become more efficient on the labor front? Operator00:32:37Yes, so in answer to your question about our insurance subsidiary in the acute segment, It has roughly or will have in 2023 about $400,000,000 of premium revenue and will run as we sort of have discussed in past kind of a modest margin in the low single digits. The real Motivation in operating that insurance subsidiary is to create sort of a full continuum of care in our acute care markets, greater integration with our physicians, etcetera. It's not really designed to be terribly profitable on its own. As far as your second question about recruitment and retention, Look, there's a lot of things and we could have a whole separate hour long call. And Mark, I think alluded to multiple recruitment and retention initiatives that we've implemented during the pandemic. Operator00:33:42But I think you specifically asked about patient care, treatment structures and whatnot. And we've tried to in both of our businesses create staffing infrastructures that are not so reliant on registered nurses, because those have been the most difficult positions to recruit to during the pandemic. So we're becoming more reliant on things like LPNs and LVNs and mental health techs in the behavioral business and ENTs and that sort of thing in our emergency rooms, all those kinds of things. So we certainly have been working to really improve the recruitment and retention of the nursing population itself, but also trying to reduce our reliance, particularly on registered nurses who've been the most difficult to recruit. Speaker 100:34:38But I'll just add, There are a number of technological solutions that are being bandied about on both sides, both segments. And we continue to evaluate a lot of those as some of our peers do as well. I do think in the coming years, there will be some that we go forward with. I'm not sure that there and any of them are going to be a real panacea, but I do think that they can be helpful depending on cost to alleviate some of the staffing issues that we've had over the past few years going forward. So we are Excited about the possibility of some of those adding to the mix in the coming years. Speaker 300:35:24Thank you. Our next call will come from the line of Ben Hendricks with RBC Capital Markets. Please stand by. Speaker 800:35:37Ben? Yes. Thank you. Just a quick regulatory question. There was a proposal from CMS concerning the 11.15 waiver payments and implications there for or calculation of disproportional share payments for Q. Speaker 800:35:54Just wanted to see if you guys had any initial thoughts on that. I think you may have probably less exposure to that than some of your peers, but just wanted to get any initial takes on that proposed rule. Thanks. Operator00:36:06Yes, so we've commented a number of times and then would reference or direct people to our 10 ks filing where we detail in pretty specific detail our supplemental Medicaid payments in the current year in 2022 and then what we expect for 2023. I mentioned before, we're expecting about a $30,000,000 decline next across a number of Speaker 100:36:32states. Operator00:36:33To your point, Ben, I don't think we're expecting a big change in Texas from the 11 to 15 change. But in total, there's about a $30,000,000 reduction in supplemental payments next year, including disproportionate share over maybe 2 or 3 states. Speaker 1000:36:53Thank you. Speaker 300:36:54Thank you. There are no additional questions in the queue. At this time, I would like to turn the call back over to Steve for any closing remarks. Operator00:37:06We just like to thank everybody for their time this morning, and we look forward to speaking with you again at the end of the Q1. Thank you. Speaker 300:37:14Thank you for your participation today in today's call. This does conclude the program. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00I'm Steve Filton. Mark Miller is joining us this morning. Welcome to this review of Universal Health Services results for the Q4 ended December 31, 2022. During the conference call, we'll be using words such as believes, expects, anticipates, estimates and similar words that represent forecasts, projections and forward looking statements. For anyone not familiar with the risks and uncertainties inherent in these forward looking statements, I recommend a careful reading of the section on risk factors and forward looking statements and risk factors in our Form 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2022. Operator00:00:42We'd like to highlight just a couple of developments and business trends before opening the call up to questions. As discussed in our press release last night, the company reported net income attributable to UHS per diluted share of $2.43 for the Q4 of 2022. After adjusting for the impact of the items reflected on the supplemental schedule as included with the press release, primarily an asset impairment charge associated with an acute care hospital in Las Vegas, Our adjusted net income attributable to UHS per diluted share was $3.02 for the quarter ended December 31, 2022. Speaker 100:01:22During the Q4, our acute care hospitals experienced a decrease in the number of patients with a COVID diagnosis treated in our hospitals as compared to the prior year quarter. As a percentage of total admissions, COVID diagnosed patients made up 7% of our admissions in the Q4 of 2021, but only about half of that percentage of admissions in the Q4 of 2022. This decline in COVID patients resulted in reduced revenues due to the lower acuity and less of the incremental government reimbursement associated with COVID patients. While overall surgical volumes tended to recover to pre pandemic levels. There was a measurable shift from inpatient to outpatient, resulting in further overall revenue softness. Speaker 100:02:22Meanwhile, the amount of premium pay in the quarter, which declined from a peak of $153,000,000 in the first quarter was $85,000,000 in the 4th quarter, similar to what it was in the Q3. In total, there was insufficient revenue growth to offset the accelerated rate of wage increases and other inflationary pressures, leading to an acute EBITDA result in the quarter below our internal forecasts. At the same time, this decline in COVID activity allowed our behavioral hospitals to continue to reduce their labor vacancies, resulting in a reduction of the capping of bed capacity. The effect of the increased revenue largely offset higher labor costs, leading to a behavioral EBITDA result in the quarter more in line with our internal forecasts. Operator00:03:20You also note that the 4th quarter included approximately $10,000,000 of losses related to startup facilities. Our cash generated from operating activities was $297,000,000 during the Q4 of 2022 as compared to $322,000,000 during the same quarter in 2021. The decline was largely due to the opening of new facilities and the timing of receipt of certain supplemental reimbursements. We spent $734,000,000 on capital expenditures during 2020 Speaker 200:03:54to the Operator00:03:54reaction to the earnings softness experienced during the year, we reduced the pace of our capital expenditure spend by about 1 quarter from our original plans for the year. Similarly, we moderated the trajectory of our share repurchases. For the full year of 2022, we acquired $811,000,000 of our own shares pursuant to our share repurchase program. Since the inception of the current share repurchase program in 2014, we have repurchased more than 20% of the company's outstanding shares. As of December 31, 2022, we had $886,000,000 of aggregate available borrowing capacity pursuant to our $1,200,000,000 revolving credit facility. Speaker 100:04:42Our 2023 operating results forecast, which was provided in last night's release, envisions 2023 as a year of continued transition into a post pandemic world. We anticipate that volumes in both segments and acuity in our acute business will continue their recovery trajectory and gradually begin to resemble the patterns we experienced before the pandemic. Similarly, We expect to be able to reduce premium pay by about 1 third in 2023 from 2022 levels as we continue to increase hiring rates and reduce turnover as a result of multiple recruitment and retention programs that have been implemented over the last few years. Again, we've assumed these improvements will occur incrementally during the year, but will be partially offset by wage pressures created by a continued shortage of nurses and other clinical personnel and by broader inflationary pressures affecting our other expenses. We note that in our acute segment, Physician subsidy expense is specifically anticipated to increase by a substantial amount. Speaker 100:06:00Other headwinds that are reflected in our 2023 forecast are approximately $100,000,000 in COVID related reimbursement received in 2022 but phased out in 2023, as well as a reduction of about $30,000,000 in supplemental reimbursement payments as disclosed in our 10 ks. Finally, we will incur a significant increase in interest expense in 2023, about 3 quarters of which is due to rising interest rates and the remainder to increased borrowings. Despite these challenges, we note that some of the operating indicators in early 2023 have been encouraging, especially in our behavioral health business. During the pandemic, we have found the pace of recovery from several of the aforementioned challenges has often been slower than we originally anticipated and have reflected that gradual cadence of recovery in our forecast. However, we remain confident in the fundamental strength of both our business segments given our well positioned hospital franchises around the country. Speaker 100:07:12We are pleased to answer questions at this time. Speaker 300:07:16Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first call comes from the line of Andrew Mok with USB. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:07:47Hi, good morning. You mentioned softer revenue in the acute segment due to lower acuity. Can you elaborate on the trends in surgical volumes and underlying acuity that you saw in the Q4 and what do you have embedded in the guide for 2023 or when do you expect that to normalize? Operator00:08:05Thanks. Yes, Andrew. So I think as Mark remarked in his commentary, And you can see in our press release metrics, revenue per adjusted admission was actually down for the quarter. I think attributable to a few factors. One is the decline in COVID patients, those COVID patients, particularly last year, particularly the Omicron patients tended to be higher acuity patients and the loss of those patients and the loss of their good reimbursement reduces our acuity and our revenue. Operator00:08:38In addition to that, Mark talked about the shift, the accelerated shift from inpatient to outpatient. Our surgical volumes in Q4 actually were probably 3% or 4% above what they were in Q4 of 2019, the last pre pandemic quarter or full pre pandemic quarter. But clearly there's been an accelerated shift. I think that outpatient procedures are probably up 7% or 8% and inpatient procedures are sort of flattish. So I think those are the main drivers of the acuity softness in Q4. Operator00:09:16As far as what we have built into the guidance for next year, I think again as Mark's sort of comments reflected, I think we're projecting a gradual sort of return to normalcy. So for the year, I think our general notion is that Acute Care revenue per adjusted admission should increase probably in that 2% to 4% range, which would be much closer to sort of the historical norms. Speaker 300:09:45Our next call comes from the line of Stephen Baxter with Wells Fargo. Speaker 500:10:00Or at least directionally by segment. Appreciating the color you gave on some of the one time items in the acute care business. Sounds like that's likely the source of maybe some of the beer on your pressure there. It would be great if you could elaborate a little bit on what you're expecting for year over year margin trends in both acute and behavioral business? Thanks. Operator00:10:17Yes, Steve, I think we missed the beginning part of your question somehow. So if you wouldn't mind repeating it, I apologize. Speaker 500:10:24Yes, sorry about that. So So, yes, the additional color on EBITDA growth and top line growth by segment will be great. Just trying to understand a little bit when we Year over year margin pressure, where that's coming from. It sounds like with some of the items you flagged on the acute side, it looks like that's probably it, but Just a better sense of on the direction of margin trends in both businesses. Thanks. Operator00:10:47Yes. So I think on the acute side, there are specific headwinds, again, most of which I think Mark elaborated on. 1, probably the biggest one is the $100,000,000 of COVID related reimbursement, that includes the Medicare 20 percent add on, the HRSA reimbursement, the Medicare sequestration waiver, all of which get phased out at one point or another already phased out in 2023. I'll throw into that, although not COVID related, another $10,000,000 or so of 340B reimbursement that's going to get recouped in 2023. In addition to that, There is Mark noted about $30,000,000 of supplemental Medicaid reimbursement that declines next year. Operator00:11:35That's about 20 in the behavioral business and 10 in the acute business. I think the other main issue is that even though again as Mark commented, We're expecting premium pay to decline another 1 third, maybe another $150,000,000 $160,000,000 in 2023. What our experience has been is that The savings from that and there certainly are some savings, but the savings from that are offset to a large degree by increased base wages, recruitment incentives, sign on bonuses, that sort of thing. I think what our Guidance, particularly in the acute business implies or assumes is that all those trends sort of incrementally improve as the year goes But those are the headwinds, I think, specifically on the acute side of the business that mainly sort of tend to suppress the margins. And on the behavioral side, it's really more on the labor side. Operator00:12:41I mean, I think where We're at in both businesses is that at the moment, even though revenues are recovering, particularly on the behavioral side, salary expense or wage expense is still outpacing the growth in revenues. I think we believe that By the second half of twenty twenty three, that begins to sort of stabilize and we start to sort of get to a more normalized historical pattern of revenue growth exceeding salary growth. But in the first half of the year, that's not the case. And again, I think that's probably the main driver of the margin pressure next year. Speaker 300:13:21Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Casola with Citi. Jason? Speaker 600:13:30Great. Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to ask about the move to wind down inpatient operations at your Desert Springs Hospital. Maybe just can you unpack that a bit more, in the decision there? What the EBITDA lift could be on the go forward? Speaker 600:13:44And then anything else to note from a competitive As we think about your Las Vegas market broadly. Thanks. Speaker 100:13:51Yes, sure. I can answer that for you. So we That's a very important market for us. We've been looking at the whole market the market as a whole for many years. We continue to try to build where we can at current properties as well as some of our de novo projects. Speaker 100:14:12We have a new project that's going in that is really we're looking at it as a replacement hospital for Desert Springs. Originally, we had hoped to keep Desert Springs operating longer into the future and closer to our opening date, if not all the way up to our opening date for our new West Henderson Hospital. But the market dynamics caused us to have to accelerate the plan there. So what we've done basically is we're moving that hospital to a glorified emergency services facility and we'll continue to run those services even after we have our new hospital in West Henderson bill. And we're really transferring just about all of those employees to other Valley System facility. Speaker 100:15:04So we're it's been misreported that we're laying off a lot of employees. In fact, we're really not. And like I said, just about every one of those employees is finding a home in another one of our hospitals, which has helped alleviate some of the staffing pressures that we've had. So that's really the situation. I don't know the timing on the numbers. Speaker 100:15:26West Henderson won't be open for about another year and a half, I want to say middle to late 'twenty four. Operator00:15:34Right. Yes. Speaker 300:15:39Our next question comes from the line of A. J. Rice with Credit Suisse. A. J? Speaker 700:15:47Hi, everybody. Thanks. Maybe just two items and when I think about your outlook, I think you mentioned that you're assuming an uptick in physician subsidy expense. I wondered what's happening there. I know in the back half of the year, your other operating expense in 2022 seem to step up. Speaker 700:16:05Are you just assuming that continues or is there something else going on there and chances to mitigate? And then any update on your capital employment, thoughts. I know you probably got some share repurchase in the 2023 outlook. Can you just comment on that and anything else that you're thinking about from a capital Operator00:16:25standpoint. Sure, A. J. Yes, so physician subsidy expense, I think, has been kind of an emerging challenge for most of the acute hospital industry, I would say, for at least the back half of twenty twenty two. And I think most acknowledge it will continue into next year. Operator00:16:43So that's when we talk about that, we're really talking about the Generally, the contract service expense we pay to physicians who are providing services in our emergency rooms, emergency rooms, anesthesiologists, radiologists, those are probably the major groups. And you're right, we have seen some increase in those expenses this year. I think we continue to assume that 2023 will probably result in another 15% to 20% increase in those expenses and the magnitude of that is probably a $45,000,000 $50,000,000 increase in costs. Now I think long term, we have a number of strategies to deal with that cost pressure including in sourcing some of that activity to the degree that we can and competitively bidding contracts etcetera. I think at the moment, we're caught in a tough situation because it's difficult to change those arrangements in the short term. Operator00:17:48But In the long term, I think a lot of those pressures are a result of some of the internal struggles that some of those larger staffing physician staffing companies are having. And I think as those work their way out and the market adjusts, we will see some easing of that in future years. But yes, we've assumed as Mark said, a substantial increase in 2023. As far as capital deployment goes, we've got embedded in the budget about $600,000,000 of share repurchase assumed. And we've also got about $800,000,000 of capital expense or capital expenditures assumed in the budget as we've disclosed in the press release. Speaker 300:18:38Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Villaliquetz with Barclays. Steven? Speaker 400:18:46Good morning, everybody. Just on the behavioral side of the business, obviously on prior calls you talked about one of those challenges obviously being in your storage Yes, impacting some of the volume that you could generate otherwise. Just curious if you can think about Operator00:19:03Steve, can Speaker 300:19:16Would you please restate your question? Steven? Speaker 400:19:23I'm not sure it's better now or not. Speaker 800:19:26Yes, that's better. Thank you. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:19:29Okay. Sure, I apologize. Okay. So just on the behavioral side, obviously, talked about labor shortages last year to impact the volume that Operator00:19:43Steve, I apologize. You're breaking up again. Maybe you can try to call back with it on a different line. Speaker 300:19:48Yes, Stephen, you can reenter the queue. Call back in and reenter the queue by dialing star 11 on your keypad. We'll go to our next questioner who is Justin Lake with Wolfe Research. Speaker 200:20:06Can you hear me okay? Speaker 300:20:07Justin. Speaker 800:20:09Yes, we can. Yes. Good. Thanks. Speaker 200:20:13So Steve, I was hoping, it sounds like there's a very different trajectory Between the acute business given the headwinds there and the behavioral business, which seems to be acting better. So within the full year guidance, Can you give us a little color on the growth we should expect year over year broken down between the acute business, Behavioral business and then maybe even the kind of corporate segment would be helpful as well. And then Mark, maybe you could give us a little more color on what you're seeing on this shift from inpatient to outpatient and what's driving that? How big an impact is it having and how are you thinking about it in the 2023? Thanks. Operator00:20:55Yes. So looking at the 2 segments discretely, I think as we've suggested a number of times in the past, we thought that as COVID volumes declined, The recovery in the behavioral business would be more accelerated than in the acute in large part because There was never any benefit to increased COVID volume on the behavioral business. We didn't get paid anymore for patients. And quite frankly, it created more staffing challenges. It created more sort of patient matching challenges, that sort of thing. Operator00:21:34So What I think you saw in the Q4 and I think a continuation quite frankly what we saw in the Q3 was as COVID volumes declined, And I think Mark commented on this at the outset of the call. We've been able to more successfully fill our nursing and other clinical vacancies and as a consequence have been able to incrementally improve our volumes particularly as measured by patient days. And that continues into next year with the challenges I indicated I think in an earlier call is The price we've had to pay to fill those vacancies is higher base wages and some incentive payments and that sort of thing, which I think suppresses margins certainly at the beginning of the year, although hopefully they improve as the year progresses. But probably At the end of the day, the 2023 forecast assumes Slightly increased margins in the behavioral business. The acute business, a little bit different as we talked about. Operator00:22:43They have to replace the benefit of the COVID volumes that they had. They've got to deal with the headwinds that we We're specific about it, such. So at the end of the day, I think that acute care EBITDA is relatively flat in 2023, which means margins are down slightly. We have some increase in corporate costs, Things like our equity stock equity compensation or incentive compensation because we're assuming that We'll meet targets more fully in 2023 than we did in 2022, so that sort of thing. So I think Slightly increasing margins in the behavioral side, slightly declining on the acute side and some kind of disparate sorts of cost increases on the corporate side to get to the full budget guidance that we provided. Speaker 100:23:47And with regards to your question on inpatient versus outpatient, I mean, I think we're seeing what many are seeing, which is a continued shift to outpatient that has been accelerated through the pandemic. We're trying to continue to do a lot of things that we've been doing the last few years, which is to ensure that we have the proper caseload in our inpatient surgical areas, especially with the increases in costs for staffing those areas. We want to make sure that we have the proper acuity. We're not doing low level cases, really outpatient cases in an inpatient setting, where we can't cover the cost properly. So our shift I think is pretty similar to a lot of others. Speaker 100:24:37We are also trying to accelerate our development of surgical centers so that we have more opportunities and more platforms for all of our surgery cases and as many markets as possible. So we continue to develop those as we find opportunities to do so. Speaker 300:25:00Thank you. Our next call comes from the line of Pito Speaker 600:25:11Behavioral, how many beds can you hear me? Speaker 800:25:16Yes. Speaker 100:25:17Yes, we can hear you now. Speaker 600:25:18Okay, there we go. On behavioral, How many beds are left, that you can't staff and how do you think that ramps during 2023? And as staffing and behavioral becomes easier post COVID, I'm wondering what areas of healthcare were the biggest source of those hires. And then finally, as you can start staffing again, do you increase your CapEx for behavioral beds to keep driving growth there over the next few years. Operator00:25:44Yes. So, Peter, it's I'll give you a number. I mean, I think we're down to a few 100 beds in behavioral that we would consider capped in on most days. Now to be fair, that number can change literally day to day, etcetera. So we do still feel like their patients are turned away in certain situations because we don't have appropriate staffing. Operator00:26:10A lot of times that may be specific to, let's say a weekend or overnight staffing or it really does differ by facility. But you're right, I mean, that's probably been the single biggest headwind for the behavioral business during the pandemic, in large part because we were losing employees, mostly nurses, but other clinical personnel, therapists, psychologists, etcetera, to other settings where either they had the opportunity to work remotely or they had the opportunity to work in an acute care setting making sort of premium dollars. As those opportunities have declined and I think telemedicine procedures have tended to decline as the pandemic has eased and certainly the Demand from acute care hospitals for COVID treating nurses, I think has declined as well. We're seeing more of those nurses return to what I would describe as the behavioral fold. To your sort of last question, yes, I mean, obviously, We've been more tempered, if you will, about behavioral capacity addition during the pandemic because the thought was What's the point of adding additional capacity if we're not going to be able to staff it? Operator00:27:33But as those staffing pressures continue to ease, I think we've made the point throughout the pandemic that we think that the underlying demand for behavioral services across the full continuum is quite strong and robust, and we still believe that. And so, yes, we are certainly looking and trying to gauge in individual markets where Additional capacity may be called for because the demand is there and because we feel like we can adequately staff any additional capacity that we build. Speaker 600:28:08Great. Thanks so much. Speaker 300:28:10Thank you. Our next call will come from the line of Kevin Fischbeck with Speaker 900:28:24Hey, great. Speaker 800:28:24Hey, Ben. Speaker 900:28:26Hey. So I guess on the call last quarter, You mentioned that I think that there's a tailwind this year from startup losses year over year. Can you just remind us kind of how we should be thinking about that? And then you kind of in your opening remarks mentioned that this year is kind of a still a normalization off of COVID. I mean, do you feel like 2023 It's now going to be a solid base off of which we should be expecting normal growth in acute and psych? Speaker 900:28:55Or do you feel like because of the way you're assuming progression through the year on these dynamics that even 2024 could see some year over year Skewed comparisons. Thanks. Operator00:29:09Yes. So as far as your first question on startup losses, Kevin, We mentioned in or I mentioned in today's call that we had $10,000,000 in the quarter. I think we had said at the in our 3rd quarter call that we had $45,000,000 of year to date startup losses. So $55,000,000 for the year. The biggest chunk of that is our acute care hospital that we opened early in 2022 in Reno, that's probably a $30,000,000 $35,000,000 swing from 2022, 2023, a positive swing. Operator00:29:41The other $15,000,000 $20,000,000 of losses are a handful, maybe 3 or 4 behavioral openings in the year, maybe 4 or 5. And We probably have a similar number of openings next year. I think we believe we'll do a little bit better emerging from the pandemic and getting these things ramping up faster. But I wouldn't necessarily describe that as a material tailwind. So I think we've got about a $30,000,000 $35,000,000 tailwind in the budget for our turnaround in our Reno Hospital. Operator00:30:15As far as just sort of how we think about 2023, is it sort of kind of a clean post pandemic year. Mark made comments In his opening remarks about the idea that number 1, I think we view 2023 as a transition year And we do so because I think one of the lessons that we've learned during the pandemic is that even as COVID volumes declined, There is this sort of transition period as nurses return to their regular jobs and physicians return to their regular practices and patients return to their regular utilization practices, etcetera. So I think we think about that occurring gradually over the course of 2023. I would say probably the back half of twenty twenty three looks a lot more like maybe the back half of twenty nineteen, the last sort of COVID free half a year that we've experienced. And then 2024, I would imagine, unless there is some unforeseen development, begins to look like a really true post pandemic year. Speaker 900:31:35Great. Thanks. Speaker 300:31:45Our next call comes from the line of Jamie Pierce with Goldman Sachs. Jamie, please stand by. Jamie? Speaker 1000:31:58Hey, good morning. Can you guys hear me okay? Speaker 300:32:00Yes. Speaker 1000:32:01We can. Okay, great. First, just a quick numbers question. Can you provide the revenue base for the Assurance subsidiary and what the margin looks like on that. And then, my longer term question is just for in this structurally higher wage inflation environment for nurses given the tightness in that market. Speaker 1000:32:22What can you do over the medium term to just get more efficient? What does that mean for care team design or investment in labor saving technology? It's just anything you're doing to become more efficient on the labor front? Operator00:32:37Yes, so in answer to your question about our insurance subsidiary in the acute segment, It has roughly or will have in 2023 about $400,000,000 of premium revenue and will run as we sort of have discussed in past kind of a modest margin in the low single digits. The real Motivation in operating that insurance subsidiary is to create sort of a full continuum of care in our acute care markets, greater integration with our physicians, etcetera. It's not really designed to be terribly profitable on its own. As far as your second question about recruitment and retention, Look, there's a lot of things and we could have a whole separate hour long call. And Mark, I think alluded to multiple recruitment and retention initiatives that we've implemented during the pandemic. Operator00:33:42But I think you specifically asked about patient care, treatment structures and whatnot. And we've tried to in both of our businesses create staffing infrastructures that are not so reliant on registered nurses, because those have been the most difficult positions to recruit to during the pandemic. So we're becoming more reliant on things like LPNs and LVNs and mental health techs in the behavioral business and ENTs and that sort of thing in our emergency rooms, all those kinds of things. So we certainly have been working to really improve the recruitment and retention of the nursing population itself, but also trying to reduce our reliance, particularly on registered nurses who've been the most difficult to recruit. Speaker 100:34:38But I'll just add, There are a number of technological solutions that are being bandied about on both sides, both segments. And we continue to evaluate a lot of those as some of our peers do as well. I do think in the coming years, there will be some that we go forward with. I'm not sure that there and any of them are going to be a real panacea, but I do think that they can be helpful depending on cost to alleviate some of the staffing issues that we've had over the past few years going forward. So we are Excited about the possibility of some of those adding to the mix in the coming years. Speaker 300:35:24Thank you. Our next call will come from the line of Ben Hendricks with RBC Capital Markets. Please stand by. Speaker 800:35:37Ben? Yes. Thank you. Just a quick regulatory question. There was a proposal from CMS concerning the 11.15 waiver payments and implications there for or calculation of disproportional share payments for Q. Speaker 800:35:54Just wanted to see if you guys had any initial thoughts on that. I think you may have probably less exposure to that than some of your peers, but just wanted to get any initial takes on that proposed rule. Thanks. Operator00:36:06Yes, so we've commented a number of times and then would reference or direct people to our 10 ks filing where we detail in pretty specific detail our supplemental Medicaid payments in the current year in 2022 and then what we expect for 2023. I mentioned before, we're expecting about a $30,000,000 decline next across a number of Speaker 100:36:32states. Operator00:36:33To your point, Ben, I don't think we're expecting a big change in Texas from the 11 to 15 change. But in total, there's about a $30,000,000 reduction in supplemental payments next year, including disproportionate share over maybe 2 or 3 states. Speaker 1000:36:53Thank you. Speaker 300:36:54Thank you. There are no additional questions in the queue. At this time, I would like to turn the call back over to Steve for any closing remarks. Operator00:37:06We just like to thank everybody for their time this morning, and we look forward to speaking with you again at the end of the Q1. Thank you. Speaker 300:37:14Thank you for your participation today in today's call. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by