NYSE:UVE Universal Insurance Q3 2023 Earnings Report $26.54 -0.32 (-1.19%) Closing price 05/28/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$26.50 -0.04 (-0.17%) As of 04:50 AM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings History Universal Insurance EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.16Consensus EPS -$0.28Beat/MissBeat by +$0.12One Year Ago EPSN/AUniversal Insurance Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$360.05 millionExpected Revenue$322.48 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$37.57 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AUniversal Insurance Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date10/26/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, October 27, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsUniversal Insurance's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, July 24, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, July 25, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Universal Insurance Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 27, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Universal's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Arash Soleimani, Chief Strategy Officer. Speaker 100:00:16Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. Welcome to our quarterly earnings call. On the call with me today are Steve Donaghy, Chief Executive Officer and Frank Wilcox, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, please note today's discussion may contain forward looking statements our non GAAP financial measures are non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:00:36Forward looking statements involve assumptions, risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. For more information, please see the press release and Universal's SEC filings, all of which are available on the Investors section of our website at universalinsuranceholdings.com and on the SEC's website, a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP measures is included in the quarterly press release and can also be found on Universal's website at universalinsuranceholdings.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve. Speaker 200:01:13Thanks, Arash. Good morning, everyone. The 3rd quarter benefited from strong and improving underlying we are pleased to report our results and I'm optimistic as I look forward. During the quarter, Hurricane Idalia made Florida landfall. And as always, we were there immediately to assist our policyholders in their time of need. Speaker 200:01:33The storm severity appears considerably smaller than initially anticipated and is comfortably absorbed within our retention. We continue to enhance our best in class claims infrastructure, which together with our reinsurance capabilities serves to differentiate us from our peers. As we look forward, we are more confident in the Florida market, which is our largest geography and have started to slowly increase new business in additional territories. In the Q3, we completed the commutation of Hurricane Irma with the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund, among partial commutations with private reinsurers for other storms as well. We're pleased to have these transactions behind us. Speaker 200:02:19And as we look ahead, we expect future storms to be more predictable and efficient given the benefits of recent legislation. I'll turn it over to Frank to walk through our financial results. Frank? Speaker 300:02:32Thanks, Steve. Good morning. Adjusted loss per common share was $0.16 compared to an adjusted loss per common share of $2.27 in the prior year quarter. The improvement mostly stems from higher underwriting income and net investment income. Core revenue of 361,800,000 was up 14.2% year over year with growth primarily stemming from higher net premiums earned in net investment income. Speaker 300:03:04Direct premiums written were $532,000,000 up 6.3% from the prior year quarter, including 4.4% growth in Florida and 14.7% growth in other states. Overall growth reflects rate increases partially offset by lower policies in force. Direct premiums earned were $474,300,000 up 4.8% from the prior year quarter, reflecting rate driven direct premiums written growth over the last 12 months. Net premiums earned we're $331,000,000 up 13.9% from the prior year quarter. The increase is primarily attributable to higher direct premiums earned and a lower ceded premium ratio. Speaker 300:03:56The net combined ratio was 110.7%, down 28.5 points compared to the prior year quarter. The decrease reflects lower net loss and expense ratios. The 87% net loss ratio was down 26.7 points compared to the prior year quarter with the decrease attributable to a lower consolidated current accident year net loss ratio, primarily stemming from lower weather related losses. The 23.7 percent net expense ratio improved by 1.8 points compared to the prior year quarter, primarily reflecting lower renewal commission rates paid to distribution partners. During the Q3, the company repurchased approximately 894,000 shares at an aggregate cost of $12,300,000 The company currently has 7,800,000 of share repurchase authorization remaining. Speaker 300:04:59On July 20, 2023, the Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.16 per share of common stock payable on August 11, 2023 to shareholders of record as of the close of business on August 4, 2023. With that said, I'd like to ask the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:05:43And it comes from the line of Nick Iacobello with Dowling Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 400:05:50Good morning, guys. Just first off, what were the net losses from the DAHLIA in the quarter? Speaker 200:05:57Hey, Nick. Good morning. And yes, we set a DALYA up at a $45,000,000 loss at this point, which is well within the company's Net retention and we do not expect to hit our Esosceles coverage above X45. Speaker 400:06:14Got it. And would that be the only that $45,000,000 would that be what you classify as weather above plan or are there other events that you saw as well? Speaker 200:06:25There were other events in the quarter and none of them were of a magnitude that we would have reported Separately, but consolidated, they were probably in the area of like another $10,000,000 or $15,000,000 Speaker 400:06:39Got it. And then just you made a comment on the commutations. I guess, could you quantify the gross and net Prior year development incurred in the quarter and how much of that related to these commutations? Speaker 200:06:53Yes, sure, Nick. Great question. We knew that we were going to be commuting Irma and other storms in Q3 of this year just based on the schedule laid out by the State of Florida. So at the end of 2022, we created an accrual at Alder, which Of course, this is our organization that handles all our adjusting and benefits directly from that adjusting. So we created an accrual that We took into account and as we logically got to the run up of the commutation particularly on Irma, we released that accrual to kind of reimburse UPCIC for the funds in that commutation. Speaker 200:07:36And as you are aware, Nick, In 2017, the LAE reimbursement by the state was 5%. And as you know that reimbursement for LAE is typically in the area of 15% to 25% on average. So we knew we had some funds we were going to need. We put up a certain amount for the commutation of Irma, which is around $15,000,000 and about another $2,800,000 $2,700,000 for Sally. So Those were the total that would have hit had we not been prepared for them through the accrual at the end of 'twenty two. Speaker 400:08:13Okay. I'm sorry, just making sure I'm understanding that. So on a fully consolidated basis, excuse me, what was The net adverse then from that, right, that's just between subsidiary and claims adjustment? Speaker 500:08:30Yes. So at the end of last year, as Steve pointed out, we put up an accrual at Alder in anticipation of participating in the ultimate outcome of these commutations. So as UPCIC reports The prior development in the current year, it will receive a refund from Alder, which in effect will replenish reserves from which Those payments could be made. Speaker 400:08:56Okay. Got it. All right. I guess I just had one More macro, I guess, and specific to Hurricane Ian, right? It seems like the reinsurers and the cat modeling firms are still holding on to the $50,000,000,000 industry loss I mean it looks like ground up losses from the primaries are implying a lower amount than that. Speaker 400:09:17I'm wondering what you guys have seen in terms of claims development and if you have Similar view and losses trending lower than that $50,000,000,000 at the industry level. Speaker 200:09:30Nick, there's so much involved in the industry level that I'm going to leave that to those experts. We pegged Ian at $1,000,000,000 event And through the development thus far and the benefits of the timing, we're sticking with the $1,000,000,000 estimate that we released at the time of the hurricane. And we feel good about that number as we sit here even taking into account IBNR and other things in the future. Speaker 400:09:57All right. That's all I had. Thank you. Operator00:10:00Thank you. Great. Speaker 400:10:00Thanks, Michael. One Operator00:10:03moment for our next question, please. It comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Please proceed. Speaker 600:10:12Good morning. Sorry, I got myself a little confused here, but could you talk a little bit more about the reserve impacts in the quarter, Positive, negative, let me start with there, just to get it straightened right. Speaker 500:10:32Yes. So the biggest difference year over year when you look at the net ratio, which was I think 113.7 For the 3 months ended 22% versus 87% this year, the biggest difference would be The difference between the impact from Ian last year, which on a consolidated basis was $111,000,000 versus the 45,000,000 So the net loss ratio changed by 26 points. That difference in the impact from the storms was About 25 points of that. And then comparatively speaking prior development of the $17,700,000 that Steve highlighted compares to $2,700,000 last year. That's a $15,000,000 And then of course Alder continues to adjust claims for the Ian storm. Speaker 500:11:27They generated profits of about 18 point $7,000,000 versus $5,000,000 So that's a little bit of an offset there. But when you kind of flush that away, the biggest impact would be the difference in the storms year over year. Speaker 600:11:39Right. Speaker 100:11:40So, Speaker 600:11:42are we looking at sort of ex cat, Ex reserve development improvements or if we adjust all that and Maybe talking about prospectively and from that perspective as well. Speaker 500:11:58Well, right now, I mean, we see a lot of favorable trends from an operational standpoint, Number of claims coming in, number of represented claims, litigated claims, the benefit of which will manifest in the future, And that's all coming from the favorable legislation. But as we stand here today, we're being conservative in our current accident year loss pick. So when you're looking at the larger of the 2 insurance entities, we're booking to a higher pick this year so far for the 1st 9 months than we are than we were 1st 9 months of last year. Speaker 600:12:36Could we maybe explore that a little bit more why the loss pick is up, not down? You're pushing through There are enormous amount of rate. You've had obviously, I guess, there's some peg of claims inflation in there. But then I guess there's no benefit from potential Tort reform in that Peg as well, is that kind of the way to think about it or is there something more to be thought of there? Speaker 200:13:06Well, I think Paul, we look at it from a conservative perspective and as we've talked about the legislation still has not impacted our entire book of business. So as that flows through the book of business and as we look to the future, we see a lot of very developments that I believe that I think will be reflected in future years. And again, when we look into the future, we look at potential Rate reductions in Florida as a result of the legislation, we see a lot of positive impacts. And as you know, The repurchase decision in the quarter reflects our optimism as we look forward as a result of a whole lot of things impacting our business. Speaker 600:13:49I think that's very fair. I guess the actual question is, why have a higher peg if you're pushing for I guess like 20% -ish price increases that would imply that the underlying claims inflation is even higher than that 20%. Is that just overly simplified way to look at it or putting aside the impact of Torerofoam? Speaker 200:14:15Well, I think again the rate reductions are always run 12 months in arrears, right? So this year we had a rate indication which it was almost double the rate that we took, which reflected our optimism from the legislative changes going into the future. So we put that aside And then I think we build conservatism into our reserves to ensure that we have plenty of funds moving forward to adjudicate our business and keep the company in the most healthy position in the future. Speaker 600:14:47Appreciate the help as always guys. Thank you. Speaker 400:14:51Yes. Thanks, Paul. Thank you. Operator00:14:53And I don't see any further questions in the queue. I will turn the call back to Stephen Donaghy for final comments. Speaker 200:15:02Thank you, Carmen. Appreciate it. I'd like to thank all of our associates, consumers, our agency force and our stakeholdersRead morePowered by Key Takeaways Q3 benefited from strong underlying performance, with Hurricane Idalia losses of $45 million comfortably absorbed within retention and enhancements to claims infrastructure differentiating Universal in the market. Completed commutation of Hurricane Irma with the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund and partial commutations with private reinsurers, and expect future storms to be more predictable and efficient due to recent legislative changes. Adjusted loss per share improved to $0.16 from $2.27 year-over-year, driven by higher underwriting income and net investment income, while core revenue rose 14.2% to $361.8 million. Net combined ratio improved by 28.5 points to 110.7%, with the net loss ratio down to 87% thanks to lower weather-related losses and a 1.8-point expense ratio improvement from reduced renewal commissions. Direct premiums written grew 6.3% to $532 million (4.4% in Florida and 14.7% in other states) and net premiums earned increased 13.9%, reflecting rate-driven growth and a lower ceded premium ratio. Repurchased approximately 894,000 shares for $12.3 million with $7.8 million of repurchase authorization remaining, and declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.16 per share. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallUniversal Insurance Q3 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Universal Insurance Earnings HeadlinesInsider Sell: Jon Springer Sells 26,393 Shares of Universal Insurance Holdings Inc (UVE)May 8, 2025 | gurufocus.comUniversal Insurance Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:UVE) Looks Like A Good Stock, And It's Going Ex-Dividend SoonMay 4, 2025 | finance.yahoo.comJuly 2025 Rule Change to Impact Retirement InvestorsThere's a massive change from a new rule going into effect this July. And it's one the Big Banks are already using to their advantage… It allows them to treat this new asset like actual cash.May 29, 2025 | Premier Gold Co (Ad)Universal Insurance Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:UVE) Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptApril 27, 2025 | insidermonkey.comUniversal Insurance rises 9.0%April 26, 2025 | markets.businessinsider.comUniversal Insurance Holdings Inc (UVE) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Highlights: Strong Earnings Growth ...April 26, 2025 | gurufocus.comSee More Universal Insurance Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like Universal Insurance? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Universal Insurance and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Universal InsuranceUniversal Insurance (NYSE:UVE), together with its subsidiaries, operates as an integrated insurance holding company in the United States. It develops, markets, and underwrites insurance products for personal residential insurance, such as homeowners, renters/tenants, condo unit owners, and dwelling/fire; and offers allied lines, coverage for other structures, and personal property, liability, and personal articles coverages. The company also advises on actuarial issues, oversees distribution, administers claims payments, performs policy administration and underwriting, and assists with reinsurance negotiations; places and manages reinsurance programs for the insurance entities; and operates Clovered.com, a digital agency for various carrier partners and utilization of digital applications for adjusting claims. It offers its products through a network of independent agents, as well as direct-to-consumer online solutions, including digital insurance agency. The company was formerly known as Universal Heights, Inc. and changed its name to Universal Insurance Holdings, Inc. in January 2001. Universal Insurance Holdings, Inc. was incorporated in 1990 and is headquartered in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.View Universal Insurance ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles CrowdStrike Stock Slips: Analyst Downgrades Before Earnings Bullish NVIDIA Market Set to Surge 50% Ahead of Q1 EarningsAdvance Auto Parts: Did Earnings Defuse Tariff Concerns?Booz Allen Hamilton Earnings: 3 Bullish Signals for BAH StockAdvance Auto Parts Jumps on Surprise Earnings BeatAlibaba's Earnings Just Changed Everything for the StockCisco Stock Eyes New Highs in 2025 on AI, Earnings, Upgrades Upcoming Earnings CrowdStrike (6/3/2025)Broadcom (6/5/2025)Oracle (6/10/2025)Adobe (6/12/2025)Accenture (6/20/2025)FedEx (6/24/2025)Micron Technology (6/25/2025)Paychex (6/25/2025)NIKE (6/26/2025)PepsiCo (7/10/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Universal's Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Arash Soleimani, Chief Strategy Officer. Speaker 100:00:16Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. Welcome to our quarterly earnings call. On the call with me today are Steve Donaghy, Chief Executive Officer and Frank Wilcox, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, please note today's discussion may contain forward looking statements our non GAAP financial measures are non GAAP financial measures. Speaker 100:00:36Forward looking statements involve assumptions, risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. For more information, please see the press release and Universal's SEC filings, all of which are available on the Investors section of our website at universalinsuranceholdings.com and on the SEC's website, a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP measures is included in the quarterly press release and can also be found on Universal's website at universalinsuranceholdings.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Steve. Speaker 200:01:13Thanks, Arash. Good morning, everyone. The 3rd quarter benefited from strong and improving underlying we are pleased to report our results and I'm optimistic as I look forward. During the quarter, Hurricane Idalia made Florida landfall. And as always, we were there immediately to assist our policyholders in their time of need. Speaker 200:01:33The storm severity appears considerably smaller than initially anticipated and is comfortably absorbed within our retention. We continue to enhance our best in class claims infrastructure, which together with our reinsurance capabilities serves to differentiate us from our peers. As we look forward, we are more confident in the Florida market, which is our largest geography and have started to slowly increase new business in additional territories. In the Q3, we completed the commutation of Hurricane Irma with the Florida Hurricane Catastrophe Fund, among partial commutations with private reinsurers for other storms as well. We're pleased to have these transactions behind us. Speaker 200:02:19And as we look ahead, we expect future storms to be more predictable and efficient given the benefits of recent legislation. I'll turn it over to Frank to walk through our financial results. Frank? Speaker 300:02:32Thanks, Steve. Good morning. Adjusted loss per common share was $0.16 compared to an adjusted loss per common share of $2.27 in the prior year quarter. The improvement mostly stems from higher underwriting income and net investment income. Core revenue of 361,800,000 was up 14.2% year over year with growth primarily stemming from higher net premiums earned in net investment income. Speaker 300:03:04Direct premiums written were $532,000,000 up 6.3% from the prior year quarter, including 4.4% growth in Florida and 14.7% growth in other states. Overall growth reflects rate increases partially offset by lower policies in force. Direct premiums earned were $474,300,000 up 4.8% from the prior year quarter, reflecting rate driven direct premiums written growth over the last 12 months. Net premiums earned we're $331,000,000 up 13.9% from the prior year quarter. The increase is primarily attributable to higher direct premiums earned and a lower ceded premium ratio. Speaker 300:03:56The net combined ratio was 110.7%, down 28.5 points compared to the prior year quarter. The decrease reflects lower net loss and expense ratios. The 87% net loss ratio was down 26.7 points compared to the prior year quarter with the decrease attributable to a lower consolidated current accident year net loss ratio, primarily stemming from lower weather related losses. The 23.7 percent net expense ratio improved by 1.8 points compared to the prior year quarter, primarily reflecting lower renewal commission rates paid to distribution partners. During the Q3, the company repurchased approximately 894,000 shares at an aggregate cost of $12,300,000 The company currently has 7,800,000 of share repurchase authorization remaining. Speaker 300:04:59On July 20, 2023, the Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.16 per share of common stock payable on August 11, 2023 to shareholders of record as of the close of business on August 4, 2023. With that said, I'd like to ask the operator to open the line for questions. Operator00:05:43And it comes from the line of Nick Iacobello with Dowling Partners. Please proceed. Speaker 400:05:50Good morning, guys. Just first off, what were the net losses from the DAHLIA in the quarter? Speaker 200:05:57Hey, Nick. Good morning. And yes, we set a DALYA up at a $45,000,000 loss at this point, which is well within the company's Net retention and we do not expect to hit our Esosceles coverage above X45. Speaker 400:06:14Got it. And would that be the only that $45,000,000 would that be what you classify as weather above plan or are there other events that you saw as well? Speaker 200:06:25There were other events in the quarter and none of them were of a magnitude that we would have reported Separately, but consolidated, they were probably in the area of like another $10,000,000 or $15,000,000 Speaker 400:06:39Got it. And then just you made a comment on the commutations. I guess, could you quantify the gross and net Prior year development incurred in the quarter and how much of that related to these commutations? Speaker 200:06:53Yes, sure, Nick. Great question. We knew that we were going to be commuting Irma and other storms in Q3 of this year just based on the schedule laid out by the State of Florida. So at the end of 2022, we created an accrual at Alder, which Of course, this is our organization that handles all our adjusting and benefits directly from that adjusting. So we created an accrual that We took into account and as we logically got to the run up of the commutation particularly on Irma, we released that accrual to kind of reimburse UPCIC for the funds in that commutation. Speaker 200:07:36And as you are aware, Nick, In 2017, the LAE reimbursement by the state was 5%. And as you know that reimbursement for LAE is typically in the area of 15% to 25% on average. So we knew we had some funds we were going to need. We put up a certain amount for the commutation of Irma, which is around $15,000,000 and about another $2,800,000 $2,700,000 for Sally. So Those were the total that would have hit had we not been prepared for them through the accrual at the end of 'twenty two. Speaker 400:08:13Okay. I'm sorry, just making sure I'm understanding that. So on a fully consolidated basis, excuse me, what was The net adverse then from that, right, that's just between subsidiary and claims adjustment? Speaker 500:08:30Yes. So at the end of last year, as Steve pointed out, we put up an accrual at Alder in anticipation of participating in the ultimate outcome of these commutations. So as UPCIC reports The prior development in the current year, it will receive a refund from Alder, which in effect will replenish reserves from which Those payments could be made. Speaker 400:08:56Okay. Got it. All right. I guess I just had one More macro, I guess, and specific to Hurricane Ian, right? It seems like the reinsurers and the cat modeling firms are still holding on to the $50,000,000,000 industry loss I mean it looks like ground up losses from the primaries are implying a lower amount than that. Speaker 400:09:17I'm wondering what you guys have seen in terms of claims development and if you have Similar view and losses trending lower than that $50,000,000,000 at the industry level. Speaker 200:09:30Nick, there's so much involved in the industry level that I'm going to leave that to those experts. We pegged Ian at $1,000,000,000 event And through the development thus far and the benefits of the timing, we're sticking with the $1,000,000,000 estimate that we released at the time of the hurricane. And we feel good about that number as we sit here even taking into account IBNR and other things in the future. Speaker 400:09:57All right. That's all I had. Thank you. Operator00:10:00Thank you. Great. Speaker 400:10:00Thanks, Michael. One Operator00:10:03moment for our next question, please. It comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler. Please proceed. Speaker 600:10:12Good morning. Sorry, I got myself a little confused here, but could you talk a little bit more about the reserve impacts in the quarter, Positive, negative, let me start with there, just to get it straightened right. Speaker 500:10:32Yes. So the biggest difference year over year when you look at the net ratio, which was I think 113.7 For the 3 months ended 22% versus 87% this year, the biggest difference would be The difference between the impact from Ian last year, which on a consolidated basis was $111,000,000 versus the 45,000,000 So the net loss ratio changed by 26 points. That difference in the impact from the storms was About 25 points of that. And then comparatively speaking prior development of the $17,700,000 that Steve highlighted compares to $2,700,000 last year. That's a $15,000,000 And then of course Alder continues to adjust claims for the Ian storm. Speaker 500:11:27They generated profits of about 18 point $7,000,000 versus $5,000,000 So that's a little bit of an offset there. But when you kind of flush that away, the biggest impact would be the difference in the storms year over year. Speaker 600:11:39Right. Speaker 100:11:40So, Speaker 600:11:42are we looking at sort of ex cat, Ex reserve development improvements or if we adjust all that and Maybe talking about prospectively and from that perspective as well. Speaker 500:11:58Well, right now, I mean, we see a lot of favorable trends from an operational standpoint, Number of claims coming in, number of represented claims, litigated claims, the benefit of which will manifest in the future, And that's all coming from the favorable legislation. But as we stand here today, we're being conservative in our current accident year loss pick. So when you're looking at the larger of the 2 insurance entities, we're booking to a higher pick this year so far for the 1st 9 months than we are than we were 1st 9 months of last year. Speaker 600:12:36Could we maybe explore that a little bit more why the loss pick is up, not down? You're pushing through There are enormous amount of rate. You've had obviously, I guess, there's some peg of claims inflation in there. But then I guess there's no benefit from potential Tort reform in that Peg as well, is that kind of the way to think about it or is there something more to be thought of there? Speaker 200:13:06Well, I think Paul, we look at it from a conservative perspective and as we've talked about the legislation still has not impacted our entire book of business. So as that flows through the book of business and as we look to the future, we see a lot of very developments that I believe that I think will be reflected in future years. And again, when we look into the future, we look at potential Rate reductions in Florida as a result of the legislation, we see a lot of positive impacts. And as you know, The repurchase decision in the quarter reflects our optimism as we look forward as a result of a whole lot of things impacting our business. Speaker 600:13:49I think that's very fair. I guess the actual question is, why have a higher peg if you're pushing for I guess like 20% -ish price increases that would imply that the underlying claims inflation is even higher than that 20%. Is that just overly simplified way to look at it or putting aside the impact of Torerofoam? Speaker 200:14:15Well, I think again the rate reductions are always run 12 months in arrears, right? So this year we had a rate indication which it was almost double the rate that we took, which reflected our optimism from the legislative changes going into the future. So we put that aside And then I think we build conservatism into our reserves to ensure that we have plenty of funds moving forward to adjudicate our business and keep the company in the most healthy position in the future. Speaker 600:14:47Appreciate the help as always guys. Thank you. Speaker 400:14:51Yes. Thanks, Paul. Thank you. Operator00:14:53And I don't see any further questions in the queue. I will turn the call back to Stephen Donaghy for final comments. Speaker 200:15:02Thank you, Carmen. Appreciate it. I'd like to thank all of our associates, consumers, our agency force and our stakeholdersRead morePowered by