NASDAQ:MBUU Malibu Boats Q4 2023 Earnings Report $31.08 -1.23 (-3.81%) Closing price 06/13/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$31.08 0.00 (-0.02%) As of 06/13/2025 04:04 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Malibu Boats EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.98Consensus EPS $2.26Beat/MissBeat by +$0.72One Year Ago EPS$2.35Malibu Boats Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$372.30 millionExpected Revenue$327.79 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$44.51 millionYoY Revenue Growth+5.40%Malibu Boats Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2023Date8/29/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, August 29, 2023Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsMalibu Boats' Q4 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 27, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Monday, August 25, 2025 at 12:30 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Malibu Boats Q4 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 29, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Malibu Boat's Conference Call to discuss 4th Quarter and Full Fiscal Year 2023 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. Please be advised that reproduction of this call in whole or in part is not permitted without written authorization of Malibu Boats. And as a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Operator00:00:29On the call today from management are Mr. Jack Springer, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. David Black, Interim Chief Financial Officer and Mr. Richie Anderson, Chief Operating Officer. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Operator00:00:44Black to get started. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:47Thank you, and good morning, everyone. On the call, Jack will provide commentary on the business, and I will discuss our fiscal Q4 and full year 2023 financials. We will then open the call up for questions. A press release covering the company's fiscal Q4 and full year 2023 results was issued today, And a copy of that press release can be found in the Investor Relations website on our company's website. I also want to remind everyone That management's remarks on this call may contain certain forward looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates or other information that might be considered forward looking and that actual results could differ materially from those projected on today's call. Speaker 100:01:32You should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which speak only as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update them for any new information or future events. Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our filings With the SEC, and we encourage you to review our SEC filings for a more detailed description of these risk factors. Please note that we will be referring to certain non GAAP Financial measures on today's call such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted fully distributed net income and adjusted fully distributed net income per share. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to GAAP measures are included in our earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Jack Springer. Speaker 200:02:17Thank you, David, and thank you all for joining the call. Fiscal year 2023 was another impressive year for Malibu, which included 4th quarter and full year results that exceeded expectations despite an increasingly Challenging environment. Our unique operating model, vertical integration capabilities and world class leadership continue to shine through, allowing us to take A leading position in the marine industry no matter what the market condition we find ourselves in. For fiscal year 2023, Net sales increased 14% to a record $1,400,000,000 Gross margin remained strong at 25% And adjusted EBITDA grew 15% to a record $284,000,000 while adjusted EBITDA margin increased to 20.5%. ASPs across all brands continue to be extremely strong driven by Cobalt and Pursuit. Speaker 200:03:09During the fiscal year, we made great strides to match wholesale production to retail demand, which we believe is important and responsible for our investors and our dealers. The 1st 3 quarters of the year saw us matching our production to a deficient channel inventory environment to reach more normalized channel inventory levels. The normalization occurred faster than anticipated. And in the Q4, we took production down in our freshwater brands to match where channel inventories were at that point. We continue to monitor retail sales and channel inventories closely and are prepared to make adjustments quickly. Speaker 200:03:44As we have said repeatedly over the last several quarters, we believe the supply chain would normalize by the end of fiscal 2023 or the beginning of fiscal 2024. We can now officially say that these challenges have largely abated. While occasional pockets of weakness still exist As a normal course of doing business, we remain committed to working with our supply chain partners to ensure normalized supply going forward. While the retail environment remains uncertain, we are leveraging our culture of operational excellence to successfully navigate Any lingering supply chain headwinds to provide the highest quality boats on market. The supply chain area that has not corrected is pricing from suppliers. Speaker 200:04:27We were surprised to see the increases this spring and it is an area that we will continue to work on with our suppliers. With a more normalized supply chain, OEM production capabilities have also normalized and the retail environment is now the largest contributing factor to channel inventory is faster than anticipated recovery. In general, our freshwater segments are at pre COVID levels or even higher in some cases. Conversely, saltwater channel inventories are still slightly below the pre COVID inventory levels, but within 5 weeks on hand. We are seeing that nearly all manufacturers have had to cut back production to some extent due to weakening demand consistent across the broader marine industry, resulted in a softer 4th quarter from a retail perspective. Speaker 200:05:15This is primarily due to dealers expressing caution in taking on new inventory amid rising interest rates, more normalized channels, recessionary concerns and weather driven order delays. Regarding interest rates, dealers have faced the effect of higher inventory levels on their lots compounded with paying higher interest rates on that inventory, which has driven their costs higher and made them more passive about carrying higher levels of inventory. On the consumer side, we are seeing customers delay bulk purchases in what historically has been a strong season for them to buy. For example, our freshwater segment, particularly in the ski weight category experienced weakness as a result of unseasonable weather conditions across the country through June. The cool rainy spring across the country along with drought conditions in certain regions of Texas, which is the number one state for wake boats, delayed the customer's appetite to purchase. Speaker 200:06:12However, despite the slow start to the selling season, we have continued to gain share across the board in all of our brands. Year to date through July, Malibu Axis has gained 3 20 basis points of share with Malibu and Axis both having the largest share gains by a large margin over Competitors. The trailing 12 month share has increased 180 basis points again with Malibu and Axis being the far and away leaders of share gains. The January through July market share has been exceptionally strong and in some months exceeding 35% for our Malibu and Axis brands. Within Cobalt, in our sterndrive segment, we have gained 180 basis points of share over the trailing 12 month period. Speaker 200:06:55And year to date, our sterndrive share is up 2 40 basis points, topping 35% and increasing our share competitor by nearly 1700 basis points in the 23 foot to 36 foot segment where we play. In the Saltwater segment, we are gaining share in all of our brands across our competitive segments. Year to date, Pursuit has gained 270 basis points of share against its competitive segment, and Covia has gained 80 basis points of share. Pathfinder continues to perform Extremely well, extending the share lead in this competitive segment. The trailing 12 months and the year to date share As we continue to stand out with purchasers proving that we are winning the competitive battle with great products, better dealers in a much better value proposition. Speaker 200:07:53This also goes to show that our customers remain fiercely loyal, while we are being successful at converting buyers to our brands. With our long standing experience successfully navigating through challenging market cycles, we are confident in Our operational capabilities coupled with our ability to execute in any environment, all the while continuing to push the pace of innovation. New products are the lifeblood of our brands and we continue to rev our engines and push full throttle when it comes to delivering premium products For all MBI brands. Our actions have allowed us to maintain our dominant position in every market we serve, And we continue to invest in products that make us the strongest player in the marine industry. Our model year 20 24 lineup raises the bar further on the innovation our customers expect from us. Speaker 200:08:43To that end, we are extremely excited to announce our exceptional 2024 product lineup. For Malibu and Axis, we are again once again introducing 4 new boats, which is far more than any other competitor. This includes the all new 23 LSV, the best selling towboat of all time, the new and highly anticipated M242, which With these new additions, we believe the Malibu and Axis brands will continue to perform strongly and build upon their leading position. Turning to Cobalt, we are replacing our most dated series of boats with an all new Cobalt Sport series in the 22 to 23 foot segment. This will include both 2 sterndrive boats and a new surf boat featuring Malibu's proprietary surf gate, which completely transformed the surf industry over the last decade, first in wake boats and then in the sterndrive segment. Speaker 200:09:45We are also introducing a new R33 Surf Boat, our largest surf boat ever at 33 feet, which will feature Surf Gate and all of our proprietary technology. Additionally, the rollout of the Monsoon engine to Cobalt boats has begun And we will scale this opportunity over the next few years. At Pursuit, we are introducing the brand new OS 405, the smaller brother to the highly successful OS-four forty five, as well as a new center console that will be introduced in the first Quarter of fiscal year 2024. Paired with the successful build out of our 100,000 square foot tooling design center on Pursuit property, Which is part of our multiyear plan to bring product tooling in house. We are extremely optimistic and excited about the future of the Pursuit brand. Speaker 200:10:35For Maverick Boat Company, we are developing much needed new products for Koby and Pathfinder. Between the two brands, we will introduce 4 new models, which will bring the portfolio more current and compel buyers with exciting new features while retaining the attributes that have made and Covia top of the segment performance. As we look ahead, the outlook remains mixed, driven largely by dealer concerns With retail and channel inventories reaching adequate inventory levels. It is important to remember that for the last 3 years, We have been building every boat we possibly could due to the COVID generated demand and the supply chain issues everyone encountered. Now, we are very focused on matching our supply with the retail demand environment. Speaker 200:11:21We currently expect fiscal year 2024 to be versus fiscal year 2023. In 2023, channel inventories were still too low and production was in full throttle building boats To return back to where inventories had historically been. We also expect dealer headwinds throughout Fiscal year 2024. Dealers are currently displaying a lack of confidence due to delayed retail and interest rates that are more than double for dealers and consumers versus 2 to 3 years ago. Based on what we are currently seeing, we expect wholesale demand to be decreased across all of our brands. Speaker 200:11:59David will discuss this as part of our full year outlook in a few minutes. As we have stated, dealers are concerned about the retail environment. However, I want to be very clear that this is not 2,009 when the customer disappeared. What we have been able to confirm is the retail customer is still there and willing to purchase. In September, we had planned to have a Labor Day promotion for Malibu and Axis to keep channel inventories in check and assist dealers in moving 2023 product. Speaker 200:12:29We decided to move this event up to July beginning the 4th July weekend. Despite seeing lower retail in May June, we were Highest in the last 6 years except for 2020 when anything that had an engine sold. Registrations were 151 units ahead of 2019, which we have been benchmarking against for a while. This convinces us the customers are out there. We and our dealers have to be creative and reach them. Speaker 200:13:07Overall, our team's hard work, commitment to excellence and agility in the midst of an challenging environment has delivered superior results. As we embark in fiscal year 2024, we believe we will only further our track Record of success. Our unbeatable culture of operational excellence combined with our loyal customer base, introduction of our new model year 2024 product And vertical integration efforts will allow us to successfully navigate any choppy waters we face and extend our leading industry leading position. This will undoubtedly leave us extremely well positioned to drive substantial growth and profitability, all the while delivering long term value for our shareholders in fiscal year 2024 and beyond. I will now turn the call over to David for further remarks on the quarter. Speaker 100:13:56Thanks, Jack. In the 4th quarter, net sales increased 5.4 percent to $372,300,000 and unit volumes decreased 1.8% to 2,550 boats. The increase in net sales was driven primarily by increased unit volumes In our saltwater fishing segment and a favorable model mix across all segments, partially offset by lower unit volumes in the Malibu and Cobalt segments and by increased dealer flooring program costs resulting from higher interest rates and increased inventory levels. The Malibu and Axis brands represented approximately 41.1 percent of unit sales or 12.53 boats. Cobalt represented 22.4 percent or 571 boats and saltwater fishing represented the remaining 28.5 percent or 726 boats. Speaker 100:14:52Consolidated net sales per unit increased 7.3% to approximately $146,000 primarily driven by year over year price increases and favorable model mix, partially offset by increased dealer foreign costs. Gross profit increased 14.3 percent to 102,500,000 And gross margin was 27.5%. This compares to a gross margin of 25.4% in the prior year. Selling and marketing expenses increased 1.8 percent to $5,400,000 in the 4th quarter. As a percentage of sales, Selling and marketing expenses were flat year over year at 1.5%. Speaker 100:15:35General and administrative expenses increased 587.3 or $100,800,000 The increase was driven primarily by settlement of product liability cases for $100,000,000 The remaining increase in general and administrative expenses was driven by an increase in compensation and personnel related expenses. As a percentage of sales, G and A expenses excluding amortization was 31.7%. Net income for the quarter decreased 136.3 percent to a loss of 18,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased 21.9 percent to $90,100,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 3 30 basis to 24.2%. Non GAAP adjusted fully distributed net income per share increased 22.6% to $2.98 per share. This is calculated utilizing a C Corp tax rate 24.3 percent and a fully distributed weighted average share count of approximately 21,300,000 shares. Speaker 100:16:44For a reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted fully distributed net income per share to GAAP metrics, please see the tables in our earnings release. Our performance in fiscal year 2023 reaffirmed our role as industry trailblazers, emphasizing our dedication to innovation And operational efficiency. We focused on navigating a volatile retail environment, but we are confident in the foundation we have built operationally along with the strength of our premium portfolio and the agility of our entire team. Our premium boats continue to be highly sought by consumers and our 2024 model year introduction will continue to push the limits and strengthen our market leading position. This combined with our previously outlined plans to increase our manufacturing capacity, expand our vertical integration footprint, grow our distribution network and bring key capabilities in house leaves us extremely well positioned to drive market share gains as we enter fiscal year 2024 and beyond. Speaker 100:17:49Looking at full year numbers, net sales increased 14.3 percent to a record $1,390,000,000 and unit volumes increased 6.6 percent to 9,863 boats. Consolidated net sales per unit increased 7.2% to 140,765 driven by increased sales of new more expensive models, High optional feature revenues and inflationary year over year price increases, partially offset by increased dealer flooring program costs. Gross profit increased 13.3 percent to 351,300,000 Net income for the year decreased 34 percent to $107,900,000 and adjusted EBITDA increased 15 2% to $284,000,000 for the full year. For the full year, non GAAP adjusted fully distributed earnings per While the outlook for fiscal year 2024 presents some uncertainties, our unmatched innovation, product quality And team agility position us at the forefront of the marine industry. Despite this uncertainty, we will continue to showcase our best in class operational capabilities, matching wholesale to retail demand as we launch our new model year lineup. Speaker 100:19:16Highlighted by our unmatched innovation, quality and feature rich boats, We believe we are positioned extraordinarily well within the marine industry as we continue to gain share and deliver for our customers. Speaker 300:19:29Based on Speaker 100:19:29our current operating plan, our expectations for fiscal year 2024 are as follows. We anticipate a year over year decline in net sales ranging from mid to high teens percentage. In terms of cadence, we anticipate a first half revenue decline approaching 20%. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be down 300 to 400 basis points year over year with Q1 headwinds of double the annual rates. In closing, fiscal year 2023 was another momentous year for Malibu. Speaker 100:20:02We continue to navigate retail uncertainty in an evolving operating environment, while delivering solid quarterly and full year in the year ahead. Our differentiated best in class portfolio continues to perform at the top of the marine industry Our fiscal year 2024 lineup will only drive further market share growth and profitability in each of the markets we serve. Overall, we remain extremely confident and our ability to extend our leading position and deliver long term value for our customers and shareholders. With that, I'd like to open the call up for questions. Operator00:21:13Our first question today comes from Michael Swartz from Trustee Securities. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 400:21:21Hey, good morning guys. Maybe just to start on retail demand. Obviously, we've all seen the numbers year to date and obviously the ski, wake or towboat segment has been one of the softer areas within the industry. So maybe Jack, I guess what you attribute that to? Is that just the impact of pricing over the past couple of years? Speaker 400:21:42Or is there Something more to that. And I guess any commentary on what you've seen maybe in the retail trends over the past maybe 4 to 6 weeks? Speaker 200:21:52Yes. Mike, I think there are several elements to this. One would be pricing, although I wouldn't say that Pricing in the ski wake segment has been outpacing other segments. What I think that we're seeing a little bit more Anything is maybe people were waiting a little bit longer to trade in their boat and buy their boat. Some other factors that I believe certainly exist is You do have some segment of that, especially on the AXA side. Speaker 200:22:20The consumer is dependent upon interest rates, and it's become very apparent That interest rates are an issue for our dealers as well as for consumers in certain markets. The third thing I would Point to is weather. And although we hate to point to weather, the simple fact of the matter is that in May June, it was a cooler spring. And then One thing that you haven't heard a lot about and no one has really talked about it is there is a drought going on in certain sections of Texas And that being the number one ski wake segment, I think is having an impact. In terms of what we've seen over the last 6 or 8 weeks, and I alluded to this in the remarks, but Yes. Speaker 200:23:00A little bit of the concern is always, hey, are we dealing with scenario where the customer has disappeared? And with the program that we ran over the 4th July and for the month of July, That showed us that they're not. To have warranty registrations of 156 more than 2019 Well, it's pretty staggering for us. And so I think more than anything that just showed us we have to figure it out, figure out the way in all of our brands, not just SKY WAY, To reach that consumer and entice them to buy. Speaker 400:23:32Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. And then Just on the guidance, the 300 to 400 basis points in EBITDA margin decline year over year, I guess, was a little more than Had anticipated. So maybe walk through that range that you gave us, how much of that is volume related versus maybe dealer Port versus presumably, I would anticipate that Saltwater outpaces the rest of the business. Speaker 400:24:01I guess how much of a mix drag would that be, Is that the correct way of looking at it? Speaker 200:24:06No, you're hitting on the right points. I would tell you that the great majority of it is volume driven. And the volume is Going to come out of all the brands, not evenly, but all the brands are going to be down. The supporting of the dealers, I don't think that's going to be A huge marginal item, certainly less than 75 basis points and probably around 50 basis points. So it's not going to have that much of an impact. Speaker 200:24:31It's going to be mainly volume related. The thing that I think is Important to understand is we've been preaching for 5 years now that in a down environment, in 30% down environment, we can still be above 15% margins. And even though this may look a little bit less than what you had anticipated, Looking at 18% to 20% down type of environment and still maintaining an above 17% EBITDA margin just Continues to drive home that we can be extremely profitable even in the prolonged downturn. Speaker 400:25:07Okay, great. Thanks for the color, Jack. I appreciate it. Speaker 200:25:10Sure. Operator00:25:13Our next question comes from Jamie Katz from Morningstar. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 200:25:38Has she been queued up? Jamie, I'm not sure that Jamie Katz has been queued up on the Q and A session. Operator00:26:04And Ms. Katz, is it possible your phone is on mute? And I apologize everyone, this may be on my end. One moment. Speaker 300:27:04Excuse me. Are you ready for your next question, please? Speaker 200:27:08Yes, we are. Speaker 300:27:09Thank you. The next question comes from Jamie Katz from Morningstar. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:27:15Can you hear me now? Speaker 200:27:17We can, Jamie. How are you? Speaker 500:27:19Good. How are you? Good. I think you guys had mentioned that first half revenues were going to be 20%. So I think that sort of back end loads 2024. Speaker 500:27:32And then just Curious what gives you guys the confidence to feel like maybe there will be a little bit of bounce back in consumer sentiment at the beginning of next calendar year to support that given what we're seeing currently? Speaker 200:27:48Yes. That is a fair question. Obviously, we can't predict the year. We have a really good, I think, vision On what that Q1 is going to look like. And we think that if there is a rebound, we can't promise rebound in the second half, but we believe that that occurred in the second half. Speaker 200:28:05And so that's why we plan the second half up a little bit. But ultimately, the year is going to pan out and we'll know a lot more each quarter. Speaker 500:28:13Are you guys seeing anything different in how consumers are maybe adding on upgrades? I know the 4th quarter sounded Pretty solid, but has that changed at all as we've entered the New Year? Is it that consumers are picking and choosing what they're adding just more Cautiously to their units? Speaker 200:28:33No. That's an interesting part of the dilemma. We are seeing Obviously, some of the velocity of the volume go down, but we're not seeing the ASPs. They continue to order and put The people that are buying both are putting new features, new options, upgrading the features and options that they used to have. So we're not seeing that from A standpoint of the ASPs is strong across the board. Speaker 500:29:00Okay. And then lastly, is there any update to The utilization of the new facility, I know you guys had talked about, tontoons in the past, but Any update there that would be noteworthy? Thanks. Speaker 200:29:16Yes. We're as we said, talked about is going to be additional capacity. And so part of what we are doing with that and we're not utilizing all the facility for it, but we're going to be moving a part of the cobalt Smaller boats to that facility for a couple of reasons. Number 1, we for a number of years have just been up against the ceiling in number of both that we can produce. And we think that it's going to be that way again in a relatively short period of time. Speaker 200:29:44And Cobalt is one of strongest brands that we have with all new product. And so as we come out of this, we think Cobalt is going to grow very, very quickly And have the capability or need the capability of producing a lot more units. So that's the first foray that we're going to utilize out of that 200 and 60,000 square foot facility and we'll start that in the second half of this year. We'll continue to build boats in Kansas. Some will be small boats and largely it will be cruisers, But we'll have 2 different locations that we're building Cobalt. Speaker 200:30:18If we can't make a enviable acquisition of a pontoon company Over the next 15 to 18 months, then we would look to Greenfield Pontoons in the rest of that facility. Speaker 500:30:31Right. Excellent. Thanks. Speaker 300:30:35The next question comes from Brandon Rollais with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:30:44Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Just briefly on the ski weight category. Do you feel like the category is being impacted by potentially other segments that might be able to bring along some of the same features that SKU Weight Boats already provide? Speaker 200:31:03Yes. That's a great question, Brandon. I think it is something we've looked at a lot. It's only in what I would call that entry level consumer. I think you do see a little bit of that. Speaker 200:31:13You have A scenario in that sterndrive market where their waves have improved. Are they 7, 8, 9, 10? No. But for that entry level customer, they don't necessarily need that 7, 8, 9, 10. And so they're looking at maybe other boats that do other things. Speaker 200:31:32And I think it for the entire Skiwake industry, I think that that really puts us on a mark of we need to figure out how to Combat that if we want that entry level consumer. And we have some plans in place that I'll probably be talking about next quarter that we think that will certainly impact that. Speaker 600:31:50Okay, great. And then just on the promotional support, obviously great success with that Labor Day event being moved up. Do you feel like that's the right level of promotional activity moving forward? Or is there a potential for more support maybe on Wholesale side for dealers moving forward? Speaker 200:32:09It's going to be dictated by the market really. And we think that we have planned And sufficient programs in place. In a couple of different brands, it's probably a little bit more than we've done even prior to COVID. We think it's the right level. And again, it's no more than a 50, 75 basis point decrease to the EBITDA line. Speaker 200:32:31So we'll monitor it based on how the market goes. We think we have the right level, but we'll just see. But we'll also make adjustments if we need to. Speaker 600:32:41Great. And just one last question, just on the Q1 guidance for fiscal year 2024. I think you had said there was an EBITDA headwind. I missed how much of a headwind there would be in the Q1, if you could repeat that? Sorry about that. Speaker 100:32:56Yes, sir. We say about double the annual decrease. So call it 500 bps to 700 bps. Operator00:33:03Okay. All right. Thank you. Speaker 300:33:06The next question comes from Fred Wightman with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:33:12Hey, guys. Good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on the comments about supplier pricing. It sounded like that caught you a little bit flat footed. Wondering maybe if you could quantify that and if those discussions are yielding any explanation for the disconnect? Speaker 200:33:28Yes. I mean, I wouldn't say flat footed. I think we were surprised by it. I would probably prognosticate that All of the OEMs were a little bit surprised at the pricing, all the way from engines to smaller parts. They held higher. Speaker 200:33:44We felt like we would see more of a decrease or more of a movement back to where it was a couple of years ago and did not see that to the extent that we Wanted to. Did not necessarily take that in pricing all the way through. We felt like we needed to control pricing From our standpoint and not pass that along to the consumer. To your question, have we been seeing it come down? Yes. Speaker 200:34:08We've been working hard. And in some cases, frankly, we've changed suppliers. I mean, I think that all of us, Both dealers and OEMs have to be very careful in this environment, especially with interest rates. And our suppliers need to be Becoming more logical in their pricing, and we all need to be taking pricing down where we can. Speaker 700:34:32Great. And then just on some of the inventory stats that you guys gave, helpful to have that sort of broken out freshwater versus saltwater, but sort of a 2 part question. 1, how do you sort of think those compare to what you're seeing in the rest of the industry? I wasn't sure if those were Malibu only or if that was sort of an industry comment. And then 2, if you think that dealer inventory levels, should we be indexing those off of 2019? Speaker 700:34:55Do you think that they sort of need to come down versus 2019? How do you Speaker 300:34:58sort of think about that? Speaker 200:35:00So on the first question, Fred, the comments that we made were relative to Malibu. So about weeks on hand being about what they were pre COVID or maybe a little bit more in the Malibu case Our company KCBI and then Saltwater being 3 to 5 weeks down overall. What I would tell you is that our benchmarking against the rest of the segmentation, We have been at the lower end of the spectrum for every single brand. So the inventory on hand with our dealers is less than other dealers with competitors. And So we do feel good about that. Speaker 200:35:34Moving to your second question. I think You get into a dilemma here and I understand where the dealers are coming from and I understand the costs that are being driven. But the bottom line to the equation is 50% or more of the boats are bought at the dealer lot. And if you don't have the inventory, you're not going to sell the boat. So there's a happy medium that We can't go too far and push inventories too high. Speaker 200:36:01Conversely, we can't go too far and not have enough inventory at dealer Because that's a guaranteed proposition for losing. So we have to work with the dealers and we have to look at things. I think To benchmark your 2019 comment, channel inventories probably need to be just slightly, a tad, a little bit lower than what they were weeks on hand in 2019. Speaker 700:36:25Super helpful. Thank you. Speaker 300:36:28The next question comes from Kevin Condon with Baird. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:34Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to ask a bit about the balance sheet. You guys didn't report any debt for the quarter. And I think in association with that settlement you announced earlier this summer that you'd Be using a revolver to fund some of that, but just bigger picture, how do you feel about your capital structure and the need for any new debt to fit in there? Speaker 100:36:59Yes. I think when you look at our balance sheet, even taking into account, Drawing on the revolver of $75,000,000 to address the litigation settlement, we feel like we're in a very healthy position. I think as we look at it over time, that's something that we'll consider from a capital allocation perspective. And one of those things that we'll always be considering is What that means from a share repurchase perspective. But overall, we feel like we're very healthy on the balance sheet side. Speaker 800:37:29Does that comment extend some of these initiatives on the new capacity you have there as well as that tooling center. Do you feel like you can cover that or? Speaker 200:37:43Absolutely. So the in terms of the tooling center, that's really already been covered. A great portion of The facility here in Lenoir City has already been covered as a part of this. And I think a bigger question that most people are going to be asking Yes. What does this do from an M and A standpoint? Speaker 200:38:05And we still given the facility that we have, we're very comfortable that we have the facility to pull off A pretty nice M and A transaction if it comes to market. I think the other power of this when David talks about The borrowings of the last quarter is the rapidity because we're a 90% variable business and the rapidity with which we're going to pay it off. So we'll be back to in that leverage position pretty quickly. Speaker 800:38:35Great. Thank you. Speaker 300:38:36The next question comes from Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:38:42Good morning. This is Martin Mattel on for Jalta Bello. Just quick question about the guide. You did mention the sales declined to mid to high teens. Trying to get a breakout between volume and pricing and how those 2 may play off each other? Speaker 100:38:57Yes, we don't typically provide guidance on the volume side, but I think you can Back into it with the implied guidance that we gave around revenues. So depending on what your ASP The assumption is, I'd say, on the volume side, you're probably looking at a 15% to 20% down. Speaker 900:39:15Sounds good. Thank you. Speaker 300:39:20I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Jack Springer for any further remarks. Speaker 200:39:28Thank you very much. In summary, our 4th quarter and fiscal year results demonstrate the unbeatable strength and capabilities of our business model. Led by our unmatched operational manufacturing capabilities, we consistently provide the most innovative, highest quality boats to our loyal customer base. We continue to extend our strong track record of performance delivering another record year for sales And EBITDA despite margin pressures as volumes and inventories normalize. While the economic environment continues to evolve, We remain very confident in our ability to execute on our strategy and match wholesale to retail demand. Speaker 200:40:06In every brand, we've increased market share and in some cases, the market share increases have been in the hundreds of basis points in gains. Our strategic planning, operational excellence and supply chain management further supports our outperformance of the marine industry And we'll remain a key differentiator in this environment going forward, while at the same time continuing to drive profitability from Malibu's product portfolio. Our culture of innovation continues to attract consumers to our premium suite of large feature rich MBI brands From Malibu and Axis to Cobalt to Pursuit and Maverick, we are pushing the limits on innovation and quality with our model year 2024 lineup. A lot of uncertainty remains, but we are confident that in the areas of the business that we can control, which are our leading vertical integration strategies, production capabilities, our premium product portfolio and our industry leading operational execution that we will drive further growth and deliver long term value to our Shareholders, I want to thank everybody for being on the call this morning and for your continued support. Have a great day. Speaker 300:41:12This concludes today's conference call.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Despite a challenging environment, FY 2023 delivered record results with net sales up 14% to $1.4 billion and adjusted EBITDA rising 15% to $284 million (20.5% margin), while Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin expanded to 24.2%. The company successfully normalized its supply chain by matching production to retail demand, reducing freshwater channel inventories to pre-COVID levels, though supplier pricing remains elevated. Malibu Boats gained significant market share across all brands, including 180 bps TTM gains for Malibu/Axis, 240 bps YTD for Cobalt sterndrive, and 270 bps for Pursuit, driven by premium innovation and dealer loyalty. For FY 2024, management anticipates a mid-to-high-teens revenue decline (with H1 down ~20%) and a 300-400 bps drop in adjusted EBITDA margin due to dealer caution amid higher interest rates and normalized inventories, but remains confident in its operational execution. The 2024 product lineup introduces new models across Malibu/Axis, Cobalt, Pursuit, and Maverick/Pathfinder and expands vertical integration with in-house tooling, underscoring the company’s focus on innovation and premium features. AI Generated. 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There are 10 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Malibu Boat's Conference Call to discuss 4th Quarter and Full Fiscal Year 2023 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. Please be advised that reproduction of this call in whole or in part is not permitted without written authorization of Malibu Boats. And as a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Operator00:00:29On the call today from management are Mr. Jack Springer, Chief Executive Officer and Mr. David Black, Interim Chief Financial Officer and Mr. Richie Anderson, Chief Operating Officer. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Operator00:00:44Black to get started. Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:47Thank you, and good morning, everyone. On the call, Jack will provide commentary on the business, and I will discuss our fiscal Q4 and full year 2023 financials. We will then open the call up for questions. A press release covering the company's fiscal Q4 and full year 2023 results was issued today, And a copy of that press release can be found in the Investor Relations website on our company's website. I also want to remind everyone That management's remarks on this call may contain certain forward looking statements, including predictions, expectations, estimates or other information that might be considered forward looking and that actual results could differ materially from those projected on today's call. Speaker 100:01:32You should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements, which speak only as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update them for any new information or future events. Factors that might affect future results are discussed in our filings With the SEC, and we encourage you to review our SEC filings for a more detailed description of these risk factors. Please note that we will be referring to certain non GAAP Financial measures on today's call such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted fully distributed net income and adjusted fully distributed net income per share. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to GAAP measures are included in our earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Jack Springer. Speaker 200:02:17Thank you, David, and thank you all for joining the call. Fiscal year 2023 was another impressive year for Malibu, which included 4th quarter and full year results that exceeded expectations despite an increasingly Challenging environment. Our unique operating model, vertical integration capabilities and world class leadership continue to shine through, allowing us to take A leading position in the marine industry no matter what the market condition we find ourselves in. For fiscal year 2023, Net sales increased 14% to a record $1,400,000,000 Gross margin remained strong at 25% And adjusted EBITDA grew 15% to a record $284,000,000 while adjusted EBITDA margin increased to 20.5%. ASPs across all brands continue to be extremely strong driven by Cobalt and Pursuit. Speaker 200:03:09During the fiscal year, we made great strides to match wholesale production to retail demand, which we believe is important and responsible for our investors and our dealers. The 1st 3 quarters of the year saw us matching our production to a deficient channel inventory environment to reach more normalized channel inventory levels. The normalization occurred faster than anticipated. And in the Q4, we took production down in our freshwater brands to match where channel inventories were at that point. We continue to monitor retail sales and channel inventories closely and are prepared to make adjustments quickly. Speaker 200:03:44As we have said repeatedly over the last several quarters, we believe the supply chain would normalize by the end of fiscal 2023 or the beginning of fiscal 2024. We can now officially say that these challenges have largely abated. While occasional pockets of weakness still exist As a normal course of doing business, we remain committed to working with our supply chain partners to ensure normalized supply going forward. While the retail environment remains uncertain, we are leveraging our culture of operational excellence to successfully navigate Any lingering supply chain headwinds to provide the highest quality boats on market. The supply chain area that has not corrected is pricing from suppliers. Speaker 200:04:27We were surprised to see the increases this spring and it is an area that we will continue to work on with our suppliers. With a more normalized supply chain, OEM production capabilities have also normalized and the retail environment is now the largest contributing factor to channel inventory is faster than anticipated recovery. In general, our freshwater segments are at pre COVID levels or even higher in some cases. Conversely, saltwater channel inventories are still slightly below the pre COVID inventory levels, but within 5 weeks on hand. We are seeing that nearly all manufacturers have had to cut back production to some extent due to weakening demand consistent across the broader marine industry, resulted in a softer 4th quarter from a retail perspective. Speaker 200:05:15This is primarily due to dealers expressing caution in taking on new inventory amid rising interest rates, more normalized channels, recessionary concerns and weather driven order delays. Regarding interest rates, dealers have faced the effect of higher inventory levels on their lots compounded with paying higher interest rates on that inventory, which has driven their costs higher and made them more passive about carrying higher levels of inventory. On the consumer side, we are seeing customers delay bulk purchases in what historically has been a strong season for them to buy. For example, our freshwater segment, particularly in the ski weight category experienced weakness as a result of unseasonable weather conditions across the country through June. The cool rainy spring across the country along with drought conditions in certain regions of Texas, which is the number one state for wake boats, delayed the customer's appetite to purchase. Speaker 200:06:12However, despite the slow start to the selling season, we have continued to gain share across the board in all of our brands. Year to date through July, Malibu Axis has gained 3 20 basis points of share with Malibu and Axis both having the largest share gains by a large margin over Competitors. The trailing 12 month share has increased 180 basis points again with Malibu and Axis being the far and away leaders of share gains. The January through July market share has been exceptionally strong and in some months exceeding 35% for our Malibu and Axis brands. Within Cobalt, in our sterndrive segment, we have gained 180 basis points of share over the trailing 12 month period. Speaker 200:06:55And year to date, our sterndrive share is up 2 40 basis points, topping 35% and increasing our share competitor by nearly 1700 basis points in the 23 foot to 36 foot segment where we play. In the Saltwater segment, we are gaining share in all of our brands across our competitive segments. Year to date, Pursuit has gained 270 basis points of share against its competitive segment, and Covia has gained 80 basis points of share. Pathfinder continues to perform Extremely well, extending the share lead in this competitive segment. The trailing 12 months and the year to date share As we continue to stand out with purchasers proving that we are winning the competitive battle with great products, better dealers in a much better value proposition. Speaker 200:07:53This also goes to show that our customers remain fiercely loyal, while we are being successful at converting buyers to our brands. With our long standing experience successfully navigating through challenging market cycles, we are confident in Our operational capabilities coupled with our ability to execute in any environment, all the while continuing to push the pace of innovation. New products are the lifeblood of our brands and we continue to rev our engines and push full throttle when it comes to delivering premium products For all MBI brands. Our actions have allowed us to maintain our dominant position in every market we serve, And we continue to invest in products that make us the strongest player in the marine industry. Our model year 20 24 lineup raises the bar further on the innovation our customers expect from us. Speaker 200:08:43To that end, we are extremely excited to announce our exceptional 2024 product lineup. For Malibu and Axis, we are again once again introducing 4 new boats, which is far more than any other competitor. This includes the all new 23 LSV, the best selling towboat of all time, the new and highly anticipated M242, which With these new additions, we believe the Malibu and Axis brands will continue to perform strongly and build upon their leading position. Turning to Cobalt, we are replacing our most dated series of boats with an all new Cobalt Sport series in the 22 to 23 foot segment. This will include both 2 sterndrive boats and a new surf boat featuring Malibu's proprietary surf gate, which completely transformed the surf industry over the last decade, first in wake boats and then in the sterndrive segment. Speaker 200:09:45We are also introducing a new R33 Surf Boat, our largest surf boat ever at 33 feet, which will feature Surf Gate and all of our proprietary technology. Additionally, the rollout of the Monsoon engine to Cobalt boats has begun And we will scale this opportunity over the next few years. At Pursuit, we are introducing the brand new OS 405, the smaller brother to the highly successful OS-four forty five, as well as a new center console that will be introduced in the first Quarter of fiscal year 2024. Paired with the successful build out of our 100,000 square foot tooling design center on Pursuit property, Which is part of our multiyear plan to bring product tooling in house. We are extremely optimistic and excited about the future of the Pursuit brand. Speaker 200:10:35For Maverick Boat Company, we are developing much needed new products for Koby and Pathfinder. Between the two brands, we will introduce 4 new models, which will bring the portfolio more current and compel buyers with exciting new features while retaining the attributes that have made and Covia top of the segment performance. As we look ahead, the outlook remains mixed, driven largely by dealer concerns With retail and channel inventories reaching adequate inventory levels. It is important to remember that for the last 3 years, We have been building every boat we possibly could due to the COVID generated demand and the supply chain issues everyone encountered. Now, we are very focused on matching our supply with the retail demand environment. Speaker 200:11:21We currently expect fiscal year 2024 to be versus fiscal year 2023. In 2023, channel inventories were still too low and production was in full throttle building boats To return back to where inventories had historically been. We also expect dealer headwinds throughout Fiscal year 2024. Dealers are currently displaying a lack of confidence due to delayed retail and interest rates that are more than double for dealers and consumers versus 2 to 3 years ago. Based on what we are currently seeing, we expect wholesale demand to be decreased across all of our brands. Speaker 200:11:59David will discuss this as part of our full year outlook in a few minutes. As we have stated, dealers are concerned about the retail environment. However, I want to be very clear that this is not 2,009 when the customer disappeared. What we have been able to confirm is the retail customer is still there and willing to purchase. In September, we had planned to have a Labor Day promotion for Malibu and Axis to keep channel inventories in check and assist dealers in moving 2023 product. Speaker 200:12:29We decided to move this event up to July beginning the 4th July weekend. Despite seeing lower retail in May June, we were Highest in the last 6 years except for 2020 when anything that had an engine sold. Registrations were 151 units ahead of 2019, which we have been benchmarking against for a while. This convinces us the customers are out there. We and our dealers have to be creative and reach them. Speaker 200:13:07Overall, our team's hard work, commitment to excellence and agility in the midst of an challenging environment has delivered superior results. As we embark in fiscal year 2024, we believe we will only further our track Record of success. Our unbeatable culture of operational excellence combined with our loyal customer base, introduction of our new model year 2024 product And vertical integration efforts will allow us to successfully navigate any choppy waters we face and extend our leading industry leading position. This will undoubtedly leave us extremely well positioned to drive substantial growth and profitability, all the while delivering long term value for our shareholders in fiscal year 2024 and beyond. I will now turn the call over to David for further remarks on the quarter. Speaker 100:13:56Thanks, Jack. In the 4th quarter, net sales increased 5.4 percent to $372,300,000 and unit volumes decreased 1.8% to 2,550 boats. The increase in net sales was driven primarily by increased unit volumes In our saltwater fishing segment and a favorable model mix across all segments, partially offset by lower unit volumes in the Malibu and Cobalt segments and by increased dealer flooring program costs resulting from higher interest rates and increased inventory levels. The Malibu and Axis brands represented approximately 41.1 percent of unit sales or 12.53 boats. Cobalt represented 22.4 percent or 571 boats and saltwater fishing represented the remaining 28.5 percent or 726 boats. Speaker 100:14:52Consolidated net sales per unit increased 7.3% to approximately $146,000 primarily driven by year over year price increases and favorable model mix, partially offset by increased dealer foreign costs. Gross profit increased 14.3 percent to 102,500,000 And gross margin was 27.5%. This compares to a gross margin of 25.4% in the prior year. Selling and marketing expenses increased 1.8 percent to $5,400,000 in the 4th quarter. As a percentage of sales, Selling and marketing expenses were flat year over year at 1.5%. Speaker 100:15:35General and administrative expenses increased 587.3 or $100,800,000 The increase was driven primarily by settlement of product liability cases for $100,000,000 The remaining increase in general and administrative expenses was driven by an increase in compensation and personnel related expenses. As a percentage of sales, G and A expenses excluding amortization was 31.7%. Net income for the quarter decreased 136.3 percent to a loss of 18,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased 21.9 percent to $90,100,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin increased 3 30 basis to 24.2%. Non GAAP adjusted fully distributed net income per share increased 22.6% to $2.98 per share. This is calculated utilizing a C Corp tax rate 24.3 percent and a fully distributed weighted average share count of approximately 21,300,000 shares. Speaker 100:16:44For a reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA and adjusted fully distributed net income per share to GAAP metrics, please see the tables in our earnings release. Our performance in fiscal year 2023 reaffirmed our role as industry trailblazers, emphasizing our dedication to innovation And operational efficiency. We focused on navigating a volatile retail environment, but we are confident in the foundation we have built operationally along with the strength of our premium portfolio and the agility of our entire team. Our premium boats continue to be highly sought by consumers and our 2024 model year introduction will continue to push the limits and strengthen our market leading position. This combined with our previously outlined plans to increase our manufacturing capacity, expand our vertical integration footprint, grow our distribution network and bring key capabilities in house leaves us extremely well positioned to drive market share gains as we enter fiscal year 2024 and beyond. Speaker 100:17:49Looking at full year numbers, net sales increased 14.3 percent to a record $1,390,000,000 and unit volumes increased 6.6 percent to 9,863 boats. Consolidated net sales per unit increased 7.2% to 140,765 driven by increased sales of new more expensive models, High optional feature revenues and inflationary year over year price increases, partially offset by increased dealer flooring program costs. Gross profit increased 13.3 percent to 351,300,000 Net income for the year decreased 34 percent to $107,900,000 and adjusted EBITDA increased 15 2% to $284,000,000 for the full year. For the full year, non GAAP adjusted fully distributed earnings per While the outlook for fiscal year 2024 presents some uncertainties, our unmatched innovation, product quality And team agility position us at the forefront of the marine industry. Despite this uncertainty, we will continue to showcase our best in class operational capabilities, matching wholesale to retail demand as we launch our new model year lineup. Speaker 100:19:16Highlighted by our unmatched innovation, quality and feature rich boats, We believe we are positioned extraordinarily well within the marine industry as we continue to gain share and deliver for our customers. Speaker 300:19:29Based on Speaker 100:19:29our current operating plan, our expectations for fiscal year 2024 are as follows. We anticipate a year over year decline in net sales ranging from mid to high teens percentage. In terms of cadence, we anticipate a first half revenue decline approaching 20%. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be down 300 to 400 basis points year over year with Q1 headwinds of double the annual rates. In closing, fiscal year 2023 was another momentous year for Malibu. Speaker 100:20:02We continue to navigate retail uncertainty in an evolving operating environment, while delivering solid quarterly and full year in the year ahead. Our differentiated best in class portfolio continues to perform at the top of the marine industry Our fiscal year 2024 lineup will only drive further market share growth and profitability in each of the markets we serve. Overall, we remain extremely confident and our ability to extend our leading position and deliver long term value for our customers and shareholders. With that, I'd like to open the call up for questions. Operator00:21:13Our first question today comes from Michael Swartz from Trustee Securities. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 400:21:21Hey, good morning guys. Maybe just to start on retail demand. Obviously, we've all seen the numbers year to date and obviously the ski, wake or towboat segment has been one of the softer areas within the industry. So maybe Jack, I guess what you attribute that to? Is that just the impact of pricing over the past couple of years? Speaker 400:21:42Or is there Something more to that. And I guess any commentary on what you've seen maybe in the retail trends over the past maybe 4 to 6 weeks? Speaker 200:21:52Yes. Mike, I think there are several elements to this. One would be pricing, although I wouldn't say that Pricing in the ski wake segment has been outpacing other segments. What I think that we're seeing a little bit more Anything is maybe people were waiting a little bit longer to trade in their boat and buy their boat. Some other factors that I believe certainly exist is You do have some segment of that, especially on the AXA side. Speaker 200:22:20The consumer is dependent upon interest rates, and it's become very apparent That interest rates are an issue for our dealers as well as for consumers in certain markets. The third thing I would Point to is weather. And although we hate to point to weather, the simple fact of the matter is that in May June, it was a cooler spring. And then One thing that you haven't heard a lot about and no one has really talked about it is there is a drought going on in certain sections of Texas And that being the number one ski wake segment, I think is having an impact. In terms of what we've seen over the last 6 or 8 weeks, and I alluded to this in the remarks, but Yes. Speaker 200:23:00A little bit of the concern is always, hey, are we dealing with scenario where the customer has disappeared? And with the program that we ran over the 4th July and for the month of July, That showed us that they're not. To have warranty registrations of 156 more than 2019 Well, it's pretty staggering for us. And so I think more than anything that just showed us we have to figure it out, figure out the way in all of our brands, not just SKY WAY, To reach that consumer and entice them to buy. Speaker 400:23:32Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. And then Just on the guidance, the 300 to 400 basis points in EBITDA margin decline year over year, I guess, was a little more than Had anticipated. So maybe walk through that range that you gave us, how much of that is volume related versus maybe dealer Port versus presumably, I would anticipate that Saltwater outpaces the rest of the business. Speaker 400:24:01I guess how much of a mix drag would that be, Is that the correct way of looking at it? Speaker 200:24:06No, you're hitting on the right points. I would tell you that the great majority of it is volume driven. And the volume is Going to come out of all the brands, not evenly, but all the brands are going to be down. The supporting of the dealers, I don't think that's going to be A huge marginal item, certainly less than 75 basis points and probably around 50 basis points. So it's not going to have that much of an impact. Speaker 200:24:31It's going to be mainly volume related. The thing that I think is Important to understand is we've been preaching for 5 years now that in a down environment, in 30% down environment, we can still be above 15% margins. And even though this may look a little bit less than what you had anticipated, Looking at 18% to 20% down type of environment and still maintaining an above 17% EBITDA margin just Continues to drive home that we can be extremely profitable even in the prolonged downturn. Speaker 400:25:07Okay, great. Thanks for the color, Jack. I appreciate it. Speaker 200:25:10Sure. Operator00:25:13Our next question comes from Jamie Katz from Morningstar. Please go ahead with your question. Speaker 200:25:38Has she been queued up? Jamie, I'm not sure that Jamie Katz has been queued up on the Q and A session. Operator00:26:04And Ms. Katz, is it possible your phone is on mute? And I apologize everyone, this may be on my end. One moment. Speaker 300:27:04Excuse me. Are you ready for your next question, please? Speaker 200:27:08Yes, we are. Speaker 300:27:09Thank you. The next question comes from Jamie Katz from Morningstar. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:27:15Can you hear me now? Speaker 200:27:17We can, Jamie. How are you? Speaker 500:27:19Good. How are you? Good. I think you guys had mentioned that first half revenues were going to be 20%. So I think that sort of back end loads 2024. Speaker 500:27:32And then just Curious what gives you guys the confidence to feel like maybe there will be a little bit of bounce back in consumer sentiment at the beginning of next calendar year to support that given what we're seeing currently? Speaker 200:27:48Yes. That is a fair question. Obviously, we can't predict the year. We have a really good, I think, vision On what that Q1 is going to look like. And we think that if there is a rebound, we can't promise rebound in the second half, but we believe that that occurred in the second half. Speaker 200:28:05And so that's why we plan the second half up a little bit. But ultimately, the year is going to pan out and we'll know a lot more each quarter. Speaker 500:28:13Are you guys seeing anything different in how consumers are maybe adding on upgrades? I know the 4th quarter sounded Pretty solid, but has that changed at all as we've entered the New Year? Is it that consumers are picking and choosing what they're adding just more Cautiously to their units? Speaker 200:28:33No. That's an interesting part of the dilemma. We are seeing Obviously, some of the velocity of the volume go down, but we're not seeing the ASPs. They continue to order and put The people that are buying both are putting new features, new options, upgrading the features and options that they used to have. So we're not seeing that from A standpoint of the ASPs is strong across the board. Speaker 500:29:00Okay. And then lastly, is there any update to The utilization of the new facility, I know you guys had talked about, tontoons in the past, but Any update there that would be noteworthy? Thanks. Speaker 200:29:16Yes. We're as we said, talked about is going to be additional capacity. And so part of what we are doing with that and we're not utilizing all the facility for it, but we're going to be moving a part of the cobalt Smaller boats to that facility for a couple of reasons. Number 1, we for a number of years have just been up against the ceiling in number of both that we can produce. And we think that it's going to be that way again in a relatively short period of time. Speaker 200:29:44And Cobalt is one of strongest brands that we have with all new product. And so as we come out of this, we think Cobalt is going to grow very, very quickly And have the capability or need the capability of producing a lot more units. So that's the first foray that we're going to utilize out of that 200 and 60,000 square foot facility and we'll start that in the second half of this year. We'll continue to build boats in Kansas. Some will be small boats and largely it will be cruisers, But we'll have 2 different locations that we're building Cobalt. Speaker 200:30:18If we can't make a enviable acquisition of a pontoon company Over the next 15 to 18 months, then we would look to Greenfield Pontoons in the rest of that facility. Speaker 500:30:31Right. Excellent. Thanks. Speaker 300:30:35The next question comes from Brandon Rollais with D. A. Davidson. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:30:44Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Just briefly on the ski weight category. Do you feel like the category is being impacted by potentially other segments that might be able to bring along some of the same features that SKU Weight Boats already provide? Speaker 200:31:03Yes. That's a great question, Brandon. I think it is something we've looked at a lot. It's only in what I would call that entry level consumer. I think you do see a little bit of that. Speaker 200:31:13You have A scenario in that sterndrive market where their waves have improved. Are they 7, 8, 9, 10? No. But for that entry level customer, they don't necessarily need that 7, 8, 9, 10. And so they're looking at maybe other boats that do other things. Speaker 200:31:32And I think it for the entire Skiwake industry, I think that that really puts us on a mark of we need to figure out how to Combat that if we want that entry level consumer. And we have some plans in place that I'll probably be talking about next quarter that we think that will certainly impact that. Speaker 600:31:50Okay, great. And then just on the promotional support, obviously great success with that Labor Day event being moved up. Do you feel like that's the right level of promotional activity moving forward? Or is there a potential for more support maybe on Wholesale side for dealers moving forward? Speaker 200:32:09It's going to be dictated by the market really. And we think that we have planned And sufficient programs in place. In a couple of different brands, it's probably a little bit more than we've done even prior to COVID. We think it's the right level. And again, it's no more than a 50, 75 basis point decrease to the EBITDA line. Speaker 200:32:31So we'll monitor it based on how the market goes. We think we have the right level, but we'll just see. But we'll also make adjustments if we need to. Speaker 600:32:41Great. And just one last question, just on the Q1 guidance for fiscal year 2024. I think you had said there was an EBITDA headwind. I missed how much of a headwind there would be in the Q1, if you could repeat that? Sorry about that. Speaker 100:32:56Yes, sir. We say about double the annual decrease. So call it 500 bps to 700 bps. Operator00:33:03Okay. All right. Thank you. Speaker 300:33:06The next question comes from Fred Wightman with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:33:12Hey, guys. Good morning. I just wanted to follow-up on the comments about supplier pricing. It sounded like that caught you a little bit flat footed. Wondering maybe if you could quantify that and if those discussions are yielding any explanation for the disconnect? Speaker 200:33:28Yes. I mean, I wouldn't say flat footed. I think we were surprised by it. I would probably prognosticate that All of the OEMs were a little bit surprised at the pricing, all the way from engines to smaller parts. They held higher. Speaker 200:33:44We felt like we would see more of a decrease or more of a movement back to where it was a couple of years ago and did not see that to the extent that we Wanted to. Did not necessarily take that in pricing all the way through. We felt like we needed to control pricing From our standpoint and not pass that along to the consumer. To your question, have we been seeing it come down? Yes. Speaker 200:34:08We've been working hard. And in some cases, frankly, we've changed suppliers. I mean, I think that all of us, Both dealers and OEMs have to be very careful in this environment, especially with interest rates. And our suppliers need to be Becoming more logical in their pricing, and we all need to be taking pricing down where we can. Speaker 700:34:32Great. And then just on some of the inventory stats that you guys gave, helpful to have that sort of broken out freshwater versus saltwater, but sort of a 2 part question. 1, how do you sort of think those compare to what you're seeing in the rest of the industry? I wasn't sure if those were Malibu only or if that was sort of an industry comment. And then 2, if you think that dealer inventory levels, should we be indexing those off of 2019? Speaker 700:34:55Do you think that they sort of need to come down versus 2019? How do you Speaker 300:34:58sort of think about that? Speaker 200:35:00So on the first question, Fred, the comments that we made were relative to Malibu. So about weeks on hand being about what they were pre COVID or maybe a little bit more in the Malibu case Our company KCBI and then Saltwater being 3 to 5 weeks down overall. What I would tell you is that our benchmarking against the rest of the segmentation, We have been at the lower end of the spectrum for every single brand. So the inventory on hand with our dealers is less than other dealers with competitors. And So we do feel good about that. Speaker 200:35:34Moving to your second question. I think You get into a dilemma here and I understand where the dealers are coming from and I understand the costs that are being driven. But the bottom line to the equation is 50% or more of the boats are bought at the dealer lot. And if you don't have the inventory, you're not going to sell the boat. So there's a happy medium that We can't go too far and push inventories too high. Speaker 200:36:01Conversely, we can't go too far and not have enough inventory at dealer Because that's a guaranteed proposition for losing. So we have to work with the dealers and we have to look at things. I think To benchmark your 2019 comment, channel inventories probably need to be just slightly, a tad, a little bit lower than what they were weeks on hand in 2019. Speaker 700:36:25Super helpful. Thank you. Speaker 300:36:28The next question comes from Kevin Condon with Baird. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:34Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. Wanted to ask a bit about the balance sheet. You guys didn't report any debt for the quarter. And I think in association with that settlement you announced earlier this summer that you'd Be using a revolver to fund some of that, but just bigger picture, how do you feel about your capital structure and the need for any new debt to fit in there? Speaker 100:36:59Yes. I think when you look at our balance sheet, even taking into account, Drawing on the revolver of $75,000,000 to address the litigation settlement, we feel like we're in a very healthy position. I think as we look at it over time, that's something that we'll consider from a capital allocation perspective. And one of those things that we'll always be considering is What that means from a share repurchase perspective. But overall, we feel like we're very healthy on the balance sheet side. Speaker 800:37:29Does that comment extend some of these initiatives on the new capacity you have there as well as that tooling center. Do you feel like you can cover that or? Speaker 200:37:43Absolutely. So the in terms of the tooling center, that's really already been covered. A great portion of The facility here in Lenoir City has already been covered as a part of this. And I think a bigger question that most people are going to be asking Yes. What does this do from an M and A standpoint? Speaker 200:38:05And we still given the facility that we have, we're very comfortable that we have the facility to pull off A pretty nice M and A transaction if it comes to market. I think the other power of this when David talks about The borrowings of the last quarter is the rapidity because we're a 90% variable business and the rapidity with which we're going to pay it off. So we'll be back to in that leverage position pretty quickly. Speaker 800:38:35Great. Thank you. Speaker 300:38:36The next question comes from Joe Altobello with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:38:42Good morning. This is Martin Mattel on for Jalta Bello. Just quick question about the guide. You did mention the sales declined to mid to high teens. Trying to get a breakout between volume and pricing and how those 2 may play off each other? Speaker 100:38:57Yes, we don't typically provide guidance on the volume side, but I think you can Back into it with the implied guidance that we gave around revenues. So depending on what your ASP The assumption is, I'd say, on the volume side, you're probably looking at a 15% to 20% down. Speaker 900:39:15Sounds good. Thank you. Speaker 300:39:20I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Jack Springer for any further remarks. Speaker 200:39:28Thank you very much. In summary, our 4th quarter and fiscal year results demonstrate the unbeatable strength and capabilities of our business model. Led by our unmatched operational manufacturing capabilities, we consistently provide the most innovative, highest quality boats to our loyal customer base. We continue to extend our strong track record of performance delivering another record year for sales And EBITDA despite margin pressures as volumes and inventories normalize. While the economic environment continues to evolve, We remain very confident in our ability to execute on our strategy and match wholesale to retail demand. Speaker 200:40:06In every brand, we've increased market share and in some cases, the market share increases have been in the hundreds of basis points in gains. Our strategic planning, operational excellence and supply chain management further supports our outperformance of the marine industry And we'll remain a key differentiator in this environment going forward, while at the same time continuing to drive profitability from Malibu's product portfolio. Our culture of innovation continues to attract consumers to our premium suite of large feature rich MBI brands From Malibu and Axis to Cobalt to Pursuit and Maverick, we are pushing the limits on innovation and quality with our model year 2024 lineup. A lot of uncertainty remains, but we are confident that in the areas of the business that we can control, which are our leading vertical integration strategies, production capabilities, our premium product portfolio and our industry leading operational execution that we will drive further growth and deliver long term value to our Shareholders, I want to thank everybody for being on the call this morning and for your continued support. Have a great day. Speaker 300:41:12This concludes today's conference call.Read morePowered by