8X8 Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 4, 2024

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kate Patterson, VP of Finance. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Today's agenda will include a review of our results for the 2nd quarter of fiscal 2025 with Samuel Wilson, our Chief Executive Officer and Kevin Krause, our Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Before we get started, let me remind you that our discussion today includes forward looking statements about future financial performance, including investments in innovation and our focus on profitability and cash flow, as well as statements regarding our business, products and growth strategies.

Speaker 1

We caution you not to put undue reliance on these forward looking statements as they involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to vary materially from forward looking statements as described in our risk factors in our report filed with the SEC. Any forward looking statements made on this call and in the presentation slides reflect our analysis as of today, and we have no plans or obligations to update them. All financial metrics that will be discussed on this call are non GAAP unless otherwise noted. These non GAAP metrics together with year over year comparisons in some cases were not prepared in accordance with U. S.

Speaker 1

Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or GAAP. A reconciliation of these non GAAP metrics to the closest comparable GAAP metric is provided in our earnings press release and earnings presentation slides, which are available on 8x8's Investor Relations website at investors. 8x8.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Samuel Wilson.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our results for the Q2 of fiscal 2025. I am delighted to share that we delivered a quarter of solid performance doing better than expected for key financial metrics like service and total revenue and non GAAP operating income. Also, I am very pleased to report that we generated an operating profit on a GAAP basis. I believe our results this quarter are a testament to the increasing effectiveness of our go to market strategies and the strengths of our product offerings.

Speaker 2

While it is still early, we are seeing important indications that our transformation strategies are working. Reinforcing my conviction is the fact that revenue generated by customers on the 8x8 platform, which excludes revenue from customers still on Fuze was up on a year over year and quarter over quarter basis. We first outlined our transformation initiatives nearly 2 years ago and we saw accelerating progress against everyone this quarter. Briefly, these are: 1, accelerate innovation in contact center while maintaining leadership in cloud telephony 2, establish leadership in our communications platform as a service offerings in the Asia Pacific and leverage these capabilities globally 3, focus on small and midsize enterprises 4, improve platform win rates and sales productivity 5, maintain an outstanding experience for our customers and 6, build a fortress balance sheet by reducing debt and remaining vigilant in maintaining our costs, allowing us to deliver value to our investors, customers and partners. Starting with Communications Platform as a Service.

Speaker 2

We posted a strong quarter in Q2 with platform usage revenue up more than 20% year over year and close to an all time high. Notably, we achieved our highest single platform usage revenue day ever in early September as we continue to expand our leadership, particularly in the Asia Pacific and European regions. Engagement through our public APIs continues to increase and sales of non SMS products grew more than 50% year over year. We recently added Dscope, a customer identification and authentication management solution as our first technology partner ecosystem member to integrate with our communications platform as a service. The customer response in a series of Asia Pacific innovation roadshows was fantastic.

Speaker 2

Nuren Group, a leading Malaysia based e commerce and digital content provider is a great example of how our expanded solutions are addressing more complex requirements. With more than 5,000 merchants and 5,000,000 plus active users across 3 countries, they chose 8x8's WhatsApp Business APIs to deliver bulk messaging, automated communications and real time engagement to their community. I believe innovation is the spark that gets the growth engine started. It enables new conversations and creates new opportunities. This is why we continue to invest 15% of our revenue in R and D on a non GAAP basis.

Speaker 2

The results of our investment in R and D are visible across our CX solutions. Let me share a few data points. Sales of new products were up more than 60% year over year, an acceleration from the prior quarter. Sales of artificial intelligence based new products, including intelligent customer assistant and other solutions from our technology partner ecosystem, increased more than 50% sequentially and more than 200% year over year. We have hosted more than 1,000,000 interactions since these products were introduced and usage is accelerating.

Speaker 2

I believe this growth reflects our differentiated approach to AI, which is built on 4 core pillars, each focused on enhancing customer experience through powerful, reliable AI capabilities. First, we prioritize comprehensive AI driven data processing across all voice and digital interactions on our platform, which can deliver accurate transcriptions, summaries, sentiment analysis and topic tagging, while keeping enterprise data secure and compliant. 2nd, we developed an ecosystem of what we believe to be best in class AI applications integrated seamlessly into our CX solutions. This approach allows our customers to achieve consistent AI driven insights without duplicating costly processing efforts like real time transcription. 3rd, we're investing in AI insights that assess the full CX deployment, identifying operational optimizations across both human and AI elements benefiting both native 8x8 tools and third party components.

Speaker 2

Finally, our professional services team is expanding its AI consulting services providing clients with hands on support to drive value from their AI solutions swiftly and sustainably. AI is just a tool, but we are focused on turning our AI technologies into the business outcomes that our customers want. Our focus on business outcomes is leading to an acceleration in new logo business coupled with an increase in multi product lands. New logo business accounted for an increased percentage of our bookings in the 2nd quarter. It is worth noting that the percentage of bookings from new logos has increased in each of the last three quarters.

Speaker 2

Once again, the majority of our top 20 new logo deals included contact center as a service in the initial commitment and several included more than 4 products. If innovation is the spark that ignites the growth engine, our relentless focus on customer success is the accelerator. Our customer loyalty and revenue retention for customers on the 8x8 platform is at multi year highs. Our customers are being deployed faster with a higher level of satisfaction and a shorter time to value. Our support organization has maintained world class satisfaction metrics for 7 consecutive quarters.

Speaker 2

And our proactive white glove coverage of our top 1,000 revenue generating accounts has increased customer loyalty and reduced customer churn. We have seen public recognition of our success in the awards we have received. One of our largest wins this quarter demonstrates what I mean. A leading specialty retailer chose 8x8 to help them move from a piecemeal Cisco on premise solution to a scalable single integrated UCNCC cloud platform.

Speaker 3

Their implementation will ultimately span 1600 locations and

Speaker 2

more than 20,000 employees. A critical factor in their decisions process was the recommendation of an affiliated in store service provider who had used our UC and CC solutions for 4 years. The ability to integrate the 2 solutions to enable a seamless customer experience was a clear differentiator, but we would not have had a chance to prove it if the service partner had not been satisfied with their 8x8 solution. Their recommendation is not unique. This quarter we earned the Customers Love Us badge on G2, the customer review site because they do.

Speaker 2

Cronus Health, a leading provider of healthcare revenue cycle management solutions is another example of how our investments in customer success are paying off. A Fuze customer using Teams for collaboration, they chose to upgrade to the 8x8 platform after an extensive proof of concept period supported by a cross functional center of excellence team. This was one of several Q2 deals representing more than $1,000,000 in annual recurring revenue. Speaking of our portfolio of Teams integrations, 8x8 is proud to be the only Gartner UC Magic Quadrant leader besides Microsoft itself to be accepted into the Operator Connect program, leveraging our trusted and strategic partnership with Microsoft to deliver comprehensive integrated Teams solutions. Scandinavian Designs, a brand with 40 plus showrooms across 16 states chose 8x8 contact center with operator connect for Microsoft Teams to migrate to a single cloud platform.

Speaker 2

Differentiated features like Teams chat federation and presence visibility in agent workspace were key factors in their decision. They also liked our robust analytics and dashboards with call transcriptions and evaluation capabilities thrown in. 8x8 now supports more than 500,000 Teams users and our Teams base continues to grow quarter over quarter and year over year. Another important aspect of our growing momentum has been our commitment to expanding our partner relationships, including both our reseller partner programs and our technology partner ecosystem. Both programs are closely aligned with our commitment to go beyond technology to deliver outcomes to our customers.

Speaker 2

New partner Buchanan Industries embraces this vision on multiple levels. A leading managed IT service provider focused on mid market and enterprise organizations, Buchanan believes in delivering business outcomes by turning their technology into a powerful competitive business advantage. Not only did they sign up as an 8x8 value added reseller, they are also migrating their legacy on prem system to 8x8 contact center as a service solution for their nearly 300 contact center agents. They chose 8x8 for our shared values and vision, our comprehensive omni channel solutions, our 7x24 agent support and our exceptional partner relationships. Our technology partner ecosystem has also been a clear win for us and our customers.

Speaker 2

By offering tightly integrated solutions with a carefully curated community of what we believe are the best in breed partners, we expanded our offerings and accelerated our time to value for our customers. I already mentioned our new partner, Dscope. We also added regal. Io, a leader in marketing campaign management to the exclusive sell with 8 tier. We already have a customer using Regal and 8x8 in high volume production.

Speaker 2

These customer wins and our Q2 results reflect the hard work and dedication of our team over the last 2 years. They underscore the resonance of our strategic initiatives in the market, increasing my conviction in our path and my confidence in the future of 8x8. In closing, I want to express my gratitude to our customers, partners, employees and you, the investors. Your trust and commitment to 8x8 are what empower us to continue our journey of growth and innovation. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and are committed to converting our momentum into increased value for our investors, partners and customers.

Speaker 2

With that, I will turn the call over to Kevin, who's back this quarter, for more details on our financial

Speaker 3

results. Thanks, Sam, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered solid financial performance in fiscal Q2 2025, meeting the high end of our guidance range for total revenue and beating the high end of our guidance range for service revenue and non GAAP operating margin. Cash flow from operations was also healthy. Fiscal Q2 is our 15th quarter in a row of positive cash flow from operations and non GAAP operating profit, trends we expect to continue.

Speaker 3

We also repaid $25,000,000 of term loan debt in conjunction with our August refinancing. I am pleased to report that subsequent to September 30, we retired another $33,000,000 of principal value of our term loan debt, reducing our total debt principal balance to $369,000,000 as of today. This represents a debt reduction of over $173,000,000 or 32% since the end of fiscal Q2 2023. And we are doing what we said we would do, which is returning value to shareholders, primarily through debt repayments. The press release and trended financial results we posted on our Investor Relations website provide a comprehensive view of our results, but I will point out a few of the highlights on this call.

Speaker 3

Before I continue, let me remind you that I will be using non GAAP metrics, except for revenue and cash flow, unless otherwise noted. Q2 service revenue was $175,100,000 reflecting continued growth in both subscription and usage on the 8x8 platform. This was offset by a decline in revenue from customers remaining on the Fuze platform as expected. The remaining base of customers on the Fuze platform represented approximately 7% of service revenue in fiscal Q2 versus 12% of service revenue in fiscal Q2 'twenty four. We expect this percentage to decline over the next 6 quarters as we plan to complete the customer upgrades from the Fuse platform to the 8x8 platform by the end of calendar year 2025.

Speaker 3

I would like to point out that Q2 revenue benefited slightly from favorable foreign exchange rates during the quarter of approximately $1,500,000 versus our beginning of quarter expectations and approximately $2,000,000 on a year over year basis. Excluding this FX favorability, we still achieved service revenue and total revenue above the midpoint of our guidance ranges. Gross margin was 70.2%, consistent with our expectations and slightly lower than 70.6% in Q1 'twenty five, as we delivered on our expectations for increased usage on our communication platform as a service business. We continue to operate within our OpEx envelope for Q2 with operating expenses flat with Q1 on a dollar basis at $105,500,000 As we have noted before, we have a natural hedge built into our model where the FX impact on revenue is essentially offset by the FX impact on expenses, minimizing any net impact on operating margin. Our Q2 non GAAP operating margin was 11.9%, sequentially higher than 11.3% in Q1 and above the high end of our guidance range due to our strong top line performance.

Speaker 3

I would like to highlight that Q2 stock based compensation as a percentage of revenue in our GAAP financials was 5.2%, well below our peers and at our lowest point in at least 5 years. The continued progress in stock compensation expense helped us attain GAAP operating profitability in Q2, a milestone that demonstrates our financial discipline. As previously stated, we've increased cash compensation in lieu of equity for the majority of our employees. Our intention is to reduce dilution by issuing fewer shares over time, but the increased cash compensation gets reflected in our non GAAP operating margin as it isn't excluded for non GAAP financials. Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow.

Speaker 3

Our cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash was $117,900,000 at the end of Q2, which was down about $13,000,000 from the end of Q1, reflecting the reduction in our debt balance by $25,000,000 as I noted earlier. You will notice that our current liabilities on the Q2 balance sheet includes $39,400,000 of current term loan balance, net of unamortized debt discount and issuance costs. The principal value of this current portion is $40,000,000 which represents the minimum payments required by our term loan credit agreement for the 12 months following September 30, 2024. The $33,000,000 of debt repayment since September 30 lowers the remaining current liability to only $7,000,000 as of today. By the way, the $33,000,000 represents $15,000,000 in required fiscal Q3 'twenty five principal payments, plus $18,000,000 in prepayments.

Speaker 3

As I stated earlier, the principal value of our total debt outstanding today is $369,000,000 $202,000,000 of this total is convertible to equity. To provide some perspective on our progress over the last two years, in August 2022, we had $548,000,000 of debt and a net debt to trailing 12 month EBITDA ratio of more than 6 times. At the end of fiscal Q2 2025 and as of today, our net debt to EBITDA ratio is approximately 2.6 times. With a solid balance sheet and consistent cash flow, we have greater flexibility to pursue opportunities that align with our innovation led growth strategy. Accounts receivable and current deferred revenue increased sequentially, reflecting improved bookings performance in Q2.

Speaker 3

Days sales outstanding of 32 days is well within a healthy range for our business. Our remaining performance obligation increased $20,000,000 sequentially, a quarter over quarter and year over year increase of 2.6%, reflecting improvement in our multiyear customer contract backlog and directionally consistent with the increase in our total deferred revenue. As a largely recurring revenue business, our RPO balance covers a significant majority of our future recurring revenue in the next 12 months, which is a strong stabilizing financial force for us. Cash flow from operations was $12,300,000 in Q2 and total stockholders' equity remained positive. Now let's discuss a few points about our operating model.

Speaker 3

Our total cost structure in Q2 'twenty five on a dollar basis was very similar to our cost structure in Q1 'twenty five. Total operating expenses were virtually identical in Q1 and Q2. We believe that our target cost structure with R and D at about 15% of revenue, sales and marketing between 33% 34% of revenue and G and A between 10% 11% of revenue continues to be the right level of investment to drive innovation and customer adoption of our growing portfolio of our products and services. We still expect service revenue gross margin to remain in the 73% to 74% range, but it could vary slightly due to the mix between communication platform as a service usage and subscription. We expect gross margin on total revenue to be between 69% 71% as we include other revenue into the mix.

Speaker 3

With this operating model context in mind, we established service revenue, total revenue and operating margin guidance ranges for the fiscal Q3 ending December 31, 2024 as

Speaker 4

follows.

Speaker 3

We anticipate service revenue to be in the range of $171,000,000 to 1 $174,000,000 We anticipate total revenue to be in the range of $177,000,000 to $182,000,000 implying other revenue of $7,000,000 at the guidance midpoint. Note that other revenue can vary based upon customer specific deployment schedules and hardware shipments. So total revenue can vary based on these dynamics. The combination of modestly lower revenue compared to Q2 and slightly higher sequential operating expenses related to specific go to market investments drives our operating margin guidance of 10% to 11% for Q3 2025. For the fiscal year 2025 ending on March 31, 2025, we provide the following guidance ranges.

Speaker 3

We anticipate service revenue to be in the range of $690,000,000 to $701,000,000 We anticipate total revenue to be in the range of $714,000,000 to $727,000,000 We continue to focus on delivering a solid operating margin and anticipate a full year operating margin between 10.25% and 11%. Please remember that our fiscal 4th quarter includes seasonally higher expenses as certain employer taxes and benefits restart in January. At the midpoint of our revenue guidance range, this translates into a non GAAP operating income of between $73,000,000 $80,000,000 for the fiscal year. We expect interest expense including amortization of debt issuance costs to be about $5,500,000 in Q3 $5,300,000 in Q4 based upon current interest rates and our outstanding debt balance. We expect cash paid for interest to be approximately $3,400,000 in Q3 'twenty five $7,200,000 in Q4 'twenty five as cash interest on the 20 28 convertible debt is due semi annually.

Speaker 3

These interest amounts assume that the interest rate on the term loan remains approximately 7 point 6% or so for plus 3%. Putting all of this together, we expect fully diluted non GAAP earnings per share to be in the range of $0.32 to $0.35 We anticipate full year cash flow from operations to be between $59,000,000 $64,000,000 consistent with our prior comments. Note that cash flow from operations typically decreases in fiscal Q4 due to the timing of seasonally increased employer expenses and cash paid for interest. I continue to believe that our vision and strategy will keep us on the path towards profitable growth. Progress does not always happen in a straight line, but I believe that we are doing the right things to get us to where we intend to go.

Speaker 3

I would like to thank the entire 8x8 team for working together to deliver this quarter's solid results, And I look forward to reporting our progress throughout the remainder of fiscal 2025. Operator, we are ready for questions.

Operator

Thank Our first question comes from the line of Ryan McWilliams from Barclays.

Speaker 5

Hey guys, this is Damon Coggan on for Ryan McWilliams. Thanks for taking my question. Please see the services revenue sequential growth improvement compared to the prior quarter. What would you attribute the key factors that drove these results? And how should we think about the sustainability of these trends that drove 2Q results?

Speaker 3

This is Kevin here. Thanks for the question. Yes, we had a pretty robust platform usage revenue for the quarter and also our core business on the 8x8 platform grew. So we it was multifaceted in terms of the growth that we saw this quarter.

Speaker 2

I think the last thing and Kevin just my space. Look our gross retention was great. It was fantastic, right. So for any recurring business model, the better that gross retention does, the better we have a strong foundation of which to grow. So I think as long as gross retention remains high, we continue to see leverage in our new products.

Speaker 2

There is some positive momentum and I would say we're cautiously optimistic.

Speaker 5

Thanks guys. And great to see the 200% year over year growth in sales of AI based solutions. Can you just help us understand what is driving this sale? And then are customers more willing to adopt these features today compared to 6 months ago?

Speaker 2

I think the answer is yes, they're more willing to adopt in 6 months ago and it's going to be sort

Speaker 3

of the I'm going to

Speaker 2

do these in reverse, right? So the reason we're seeing more momentum is because we along with our professional services and our customers themselves, are getting to the point where we can turn AI into something that solves the business outcome. I mean, I think the 1st year or so of AI, it was a lot of having it write an email for you, but how does this solve a business problem? Now with things like summarization, automatic health scoring, transcription that's being used to improve agent productivity and even detect things like fraud, those kinds of things. We're actually turning AI into meaningful business outcomes.

Speaker 2

Once we do that, no one has a problem buying it.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Turrin from Wells Fargo Securities.

Speaker 4

Hey, great. Thanks for taking the question. Sam, you had a few comments on acceleration throughout the prepared remarks, but teams holding on to the midpoint of the full year targets. So maybe just walk us through what it could take to eventually move those up. And for the business to see a return to growth from a year on year perspective, is it a better macro, certain product areas you're focusing on or just working through the final fuse migration efforts as you work through the year that could ultimately get you there?

Speaker 2

Okay. So I think we're trying to be pretty clear about this in the script, right? So number 1, core 8x8, which is the customers on the 8x8 platform up quarter on quarter, year on year. So what's going to drive future growth overall for the whole company is two things. Number 1 is as our new products become a larger and larger and larger part and that growth which is well above corporate starts to become meaningful that will drive the overall company's revenue.

Speaker 2

And number 2, Fuze, which is mid single digits, high single digits, whatever mid single digits right now, continues to shrink as we upgrade to customers that headwind will go away over time. I know it's not today or tomorrow, but I think we're starting to get pretty clear line of sight of getting to stable to growing core 8x8 continued growth in the core 8x8 business. And so that's just we need to sort of continue to run off the fuse business and continue to grow the new products business.

Speaker 4

Helpful. And just maybe one on gross margin. Can you just help us unpack a little bit what we're seeing on the gross margin side? You're obviously outperforming an operating margin. Is the gross margin impact mostly tied to a mix towards CPaaS?

Speaker 4

And any commentary just on underlying gross margins across the product side, if those are holding in fairly consistent or just any further commentary there is helpful? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, that's correct. The platform business is accelerated pretty well this quarter and that has a lower margin. So it is mix driven. The underlying UCaaS, CCaaS margin, if you will, has remained very steady for us, which is great to see. We do a lot of work on that to maintain that gross margin profile in the majority of our business.

Speaker 3

But you will see the mix having some slight impact as it changes.

Speaker 2

And we also have one more thing that just we'll only care about this because you guys on Wall Street tends to blow out my comments a little too large. But there may be a little suppression of gross margins in the short term as we launch more of these AI usage based products. So the margins improve as the number of customer use cases and the amount of customer adoption increases. So there's an upfront cost to getting a customer up and running, getting the models working, getting it deployed, etcetera, etcetera. And so as our new product business grows, as the number of new customers we have on new products grows, there may be some near term gross margin compression, not in thousands of basis points, right, just a few basis points here or there.

Speaker 2

But it's part of what you're driving at is a little bit of that mix shift. And so I want to make sure that you're sort of aware of that.

Speaker 4

No, that makes sense. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of C. T. Panigruhi from Mizuho.

Speaker 6

Thank you. And it's good to see that improvement in debt to EBITDA ratio. But the question on going back to the comment on AI adoption, Sam, so what kind of trends are you seeing from those customers who are adopting this AI solution in terms of their number of human agents and how they are funding this kind of product, any trend that you're seeing or share?

Speaker 2

Yes. Right now what we're seeing is okay, so let me take it. So you talk about products that are being adopted on the AI front, right? We're clearly seeing things like agent assist, bots of all sorts, voice and chat bots that are AI based. We're seeing campaign management and those kinds of things that are AI based.

Speaker 2

We're seeing certain things around health scoring, core CIDP, those kinds of things, all those technologies in some form or fashion are being adopted. In terms of agent trends, we're not seeing situations where customers lower the number of agents right now. Not saying it's not going to happen in the future. I'm not saying it is going to happen in the future. I'm just saying that right now, we don't see where customers generally lower the number of agents.

Speaker 2

Instead what they're doing is they're adding this on as additional capabilities to make their agents more productive, more useful. And so what we see is that I'll give you a simple example. The number one use case we're seeing with agent assist right now is that it shortens training cycle time. Remember, the average contact center is dealing with something like 40% attrition. Those are 3rd party numbers, not mine.

Speaker 2

And so things like 2 weeks shortening of training time is very meaningful when it comes to ramping productivity. And so I think that's a lot of what we see right now, Citi. We're not seeing this sort of raw replace humans with robots thing.

Speaker 6

Okay. That makes sense. And you guys stopped disclosing the small mid market enterprise, but wondering where did you see strength or weakness, any kind of sort of trend by different segments?

Speaker 2

Yes. So last quarter we stopped the closing ARR for a host of reasons, growth in our usage based business, etcetera. And so yes, it's the same trend we saw in the past, right? We continue to we're really focused on an enterprise that multi product sale. And so we've been growing that segment.

Speaker 2

The tail sorry, the headwind to that is we haven't been extensively focused on micro businesses and very small businesses. And so that's where we're generally seeing the customer count not keep up with the change in enterprise. So I think Kevin knows the number, but more than half our revenue comes from sort of ex cash type customers. So that's customers that contact center, you see potentially more products than that. And I think that trend will just continue to grow.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Eddie.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. You guys noted kind of channel expansion that you were seeing or kind of success with new customer bookings. And I just wanted to get a sense like what channels are you finding kind of most lucrative? Is there a certain vertical or customer type where you're having a lot of success?

Speaker 8

And then maybe just as a second question, clearly seeing traction in the underlying 8x8 business, just if you could comment was the Fuze transition kind of slower or faster than you expected this last quarter? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Okay. So two things there was kind of channel and our go to market and Fuze. So on the channel new logo side, actually the best source of business last quarter was direct, not through any channel partners. Global reseller continued to see overall improvement and we're really proud of that. So that's something we are focused on is growing our reseller business, which is a sort of a backdoor indicator and a growth of our international business.

Speaker 2

The direct business was more driven by North America. We're still a channel first company, but we've managed to close and do better with our direct business. And so I think that's just a testament to what we're doing. We are seeing more and more enterprise customers come to us directly via RFPs. And so I think we're just starting to benefit from that.

Speaker 2

On Fuze, was Fuze better or worse than and the key Meta that you used was we, because I think we as we expected it was an okay quarter. I was kind of hoping for a little bit more acceleration in the Fuse upgrade cycle. We're continuing to make a lot of progress there. We're continuing to really get this put behind us. We're still on track for end of next calendar year to shut down the Fuse platform.

Speaker 2

But I would certainly like to see us accelerate that if we can. It's one of the reasons our guidance ranges are a little bit wider than you may expect because we don't know what's going to happen. But we are pushing really hard on the teams to get the customers moved over and get this behind us.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of William Power from Baird.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. Thanks. You all referenced the CPaaS strength in the quarter. It sounds like that was one of the sources of upside. Maybe just talk to the kind of the key drivers there and really kind of the sustainability of that.

Speaker 9

I guess just trying to make sure there's not anything that's more one time issue there. And I guess just kind of tying into that, I think the guidance is for service revenue to be down a little bit sequentially. So just trying to understand the drivers of that.

Speaker 2

All right. On the platform as a service business and usage, usage in general, strong quarter above expectations, obviously, relative to what we were expecting to be in the quarter. Will, I love your question on sustainability because as I think everyone on the call knows, in general usage based businesses don't have contracted revenue. So this is the part of the call where you guys want me to stick my neck out really far. So I always try to be at least a little cautious.

Speaker 2

We are doing a number of things in our CPaaS business. We have been spending money on R and D, on innovation, on sales capacity and those kinds of things, which drives future business. And the team I've got running the CPaaS business, I'm just really impressed with. And so from that front, I think it's great. Number 2 is our investments over the last year in the platform itself are paying benefits.

Speaker 2

Our intelligent routing, our omnichannel, our packaging, our some of our add on bot capabilities in our CPaaS business definitely resonating with customers. And the stuff I talked briefly about on the call in the future around Dscope and security, I was so blown away by the positive feedback on a roadshow we did. That being said, look, we've got Chinese New Year, we've got various events, there's always the trials and tribulations coming up in the beginning of the calendar year around changing the pricing the carriers do to us, those kinds of things. So I would say like the overall business, we're very cautiously optimistic on where the CPaaS business could go. There was nothing one time in the quarter, but I don't want you to like start drawing a linear line.

Speaker 2

It was a stronger than expected quarter and we take that business month by month.

Speaker 6

So it

Speaker 9

sounds like there's some conservatism on that piece that perhaps is driving the slightly weaker sequential service revenue guide?

Speaker 2

Definitely, we are trying to be conservative in our guide. Yes, with CPaaS, we don't have the visibility. The other thing is, I just want to be cautious and I know Kevin mentioned it, but we did get a tailwind because of FX. And there's always a little bit of cautiousness when we pick up a little bit of a tailwind. I think you said how much it was?

Speaker 3

Yes, dollars 1,500,000 and so that could potentially flip to some degree. So we don't know where that's going exactly. We don't forecast FX rates.

Speaker 9

And when we

Speaker 2

do forecast FX rates, we're really bad at it. So that's a little bit, Will, of the other side of the equation that we want to just be cautious of.

Speaker 9

Okay. And maybe just a quick second one. Any kind of updated view on what you're seeing just from a broader macro customer willingness to spend, sales cycle perspective, kind of etcetera versus maybe a quarter or 2 ago?

Speaker 2

Yes. Look, what I see is it's a number of companies fiscal Q4, not our fiscal Q4, but a number of other companies, it's their fiscal Q4. And I don't know if they take the irrational pill this quarter on purpose or it's by accident, But there is a little bit more strange behavior by some of the competitors. I think it's very fixated on this quarter and it usually reverses out next quarter. So I am seeing that.

Speaker 2

But I think offsetting that is also the fact and we've talked about in the past is our pipeline is up. That's our deal pipeline is up. Obviously, you can see from RPO, which I think is a record high, etcetera, that we're having some success. So I think offsetting that is the fact that our product portfolio and our innovation strategy is showing product market fit, right. We are clearly seeing situations where customers are very appreciative, in the products and capabilities we're offering.

Speaker 2

And so I don't know how much of this desperation is driven by the lack of investment by some of our competitors etcetera or it's just the fiscal Q4 whatever. But I will tell you that as long as my pipeline is growing and my new products are growing 60% year over year and my RPO is growing, I know that my leading indicators are pointed in the right direction.

Speaker 9

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you all.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Will.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Funk from Bank of America.

Speaker 10

Hey guys, thank you for the questions tonight. So thanks again for percentage of revenue, service revenue coming from Fuze. I think you said 12% last year 7% this quarter. So my math is right, that declined, I guess, about $9,000,000 $9,100,000 year over year. How much of that migrated to the core 8x8 platform?

Speaker 10

So core 8x8 grew year over year, but how much of it migration from Fuse?

Speaker 3

Michael, hi, it's Kevin. Yes, we let me go get the actual numbers. I know,

Speaker 2

Dwight is looking that up. The one thing I will tell you is even without that core 8x8 It still grew. Still grew. Yes. So like he's taking the number, but if you can find it in one of his 3,000 spreadsheets.

Speaker 2

But we did look at that ahead of time just to make sure the growth wasn't all just left pocket to right pocket. Core 8x8 grew quarter over quarter year on year without any contribution from the Fuse migration last quarter upgrade last quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. So it's about $5,500,000 or so in Q2 2025 was where the Fuse upgrades that moved over.

Speaker 10

Okay. That's very helpful in framing the future growth potential. So thank you for that. And then Sam, you mentioned fiscal Q4, some companies with their strange behavior. Can you define strange behavior or expand on that comment exactly what you meant by that?

Speaker 2

I just wonder what they're thinking with some of the bat shit crazy pricing they put in the marketplace. So I mean I just I don't understand always what they're thinking when they do this because it's just overall it's not helpful and it just slows down deal cycles for both of us. In the end, I'll be honest with you, we usually win the deals because I think it's counterproductive because the customers ask. If you have to price that low, obviously, your product isn't that good and you're not investing in the future and those kinds of things, but it just slows down deal cycles. And so that's what I meant by strange

Speaker 10

behavior. Yes. Thank you. One really quick one if I could. Have you seen a change in the rate of change in seat count in the last 12 months either a slowing in decline or reversal in decline in seat count?

Speaker 10

Now I appreciate you're selling more products in the customers now as well, but just that old legacy seat count, any change in the rate of change?

Speaker 2

Okay. So what I'm going to tell you is that, yes, but I'm going to be very just give me a second to get the full answer out because I'm going to be very cautious in this answer. We are seeing accelerating UC and CC seat sales. But I think that's us. I'm not sure how the industry is working.

Speaker 2

I think a lot of that's driven by the fact that our value proposition over the last 2 years has substantially changed. And because my phenomenal CRO is busy restructuring my sales organization for the new world order And both of those could be very macro to 8x8, not necessarily to the industry overall.

Speaker 10

Great. Hey, Sam, Kevin, thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Peter Levine from Evercore.

Speaker 11

Thanks guys for taking my question. Sam, as a follow-up to the AI, obviously the stats you gave up 50% quarter over quarter or 200 year over year and you kind of said business outcomes is kind of what you're solving for. Can you help us remind us how you're monetizing the usage? Meaning, is there like a value exchange or a value capture you can monetize? I know it's early in the cycle, but maybe just talk us through like how much of AI usage is part of that growth acceleration story excluding like Fuse coming off and obviously bigger products becoming more, but help us walk us through like the monetization of AI usage that continues to scale up.

Speaker 2

Okay. That is a multifaceted question and it's I'm sort of shaking, so I'm going to try to give you a reasonable answer, but it's a multifaceted question. Okay. So on AI, we monetize it multiple ways. So for our T PES partnerships that involve AI, we have the sell with model and the sell through model.

Speaker 2

So on the sell with model, we'll introduce the prospect to the company, the product or whatever the case would be that we're jointly selling and we may get a revenue cut or a usage cut based on that in the future. On the sell through model, we're actually putting it on our paper. And so that's pretty common with intelligent customer assistance or some of those things where we buy at a lower price and then correspondingly sell at a higher price. You were also asking about usage in general. So what we find generally when we land with these models, these AI based models is we sell the customer one use case.

Speaker 2

So, and we purposely try to minimize this and make it fairly straightforward. But when we do that, we're selling them a platform. The reason we do that is we really want to get a hard ROI relatively quickly, fast time to value. We get fast time to value, the customer likes it. So what happens is we come in, we set up the bot, we get it working, they see very fast time to value and then it sort of turns the what if becomes the next scenario.

Speaker 2

What if we deploy this use case? What if we deploy that use case? What if we deploy this use case? And then that's where we see the usage really ramp. Almost all of our customers that we landed last over the last 4 or 5 quarters have all grown their usage significantly quarter on quarter, kind of that concept of same store sales, same store sales significantly quarter on quarter as they expand out the number of use cases because we've given them the platform, we've given them professional services to continue to drive.

Speaker 2

And so it's almost like these turn into a simple use case to slightly more complex use case, this fully more complex use case, etcetera. And each part along the way we're monetizing and as that gets as the product gets more and more used, we obviously achieve better and better revenues, hence the greater than 50% growth year over year. I would say the other thing that I think is advantageous to us is we become more and more of a strategic partner to that customer, which I think over time should help retention.

Speaker 11

No, I appreciate the color. And then maybe just one piggyback off of the fuse dynamics you kind of talked about 7% in the quarter, call it $12,000,000 If you were to analyze that number, is there a line of sight in terms of what percentage of that do you expect to capture or transition to the A platform,

Speaker 2

if you're rolling out? Yes. Yes, there is. And to all my employees listening on this call, any number less than 100% is a discussion with me. But the answer is, look, I mean, we're expecting that some of it won't transition for a host of reasons, but we'd like to transition the maximum amount that we can.

Speaker 2

And we're putting a lot of resources forth

Speaker 3

to make that happen. By the end of calendar or 2025.

Speaker 11

5. Any incentives that you're anything that you're putting in front of your sales folks or offers or

Speaker 2

Yes. Yes. Offers to the customer, like for example, we're talking about if you transition, we'll give you, for example, intelligent customer assistant for a month or 2 for free to try out some of our AI assistance for a month or 2 for free to try out some of our AI technologies and those kinds of things that are available on the 8x8 platform to sort of give them an advantage to go sell it. And there's some incentives to the sales guys to go make the deal happen.

Speaker 11

Thank you for the color.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Kountze from Needham and Co.

Speaker 7

Thanks for the question. Nice to see the RPO pick up here. Sam, how is your visibility of that going forward given the indications down sequential subscription revenue guide? How should we think about kind of setting those sort of expectations for the trajectory of RPO? Do you think of it kind of lumpy?

Speaker 7

Or are you seeing some risks around some of your particular customer segments here in the near term?

Speaker 2

Ryan, it's a completely legitimate question. It's the sigh in my voice is a bit of a tough question to answer. And let me say, let me say why. When we get into more of these usage based businesses, there's not necessarily always contracted revenue. And even if there is contracted revenues frequently, it's significantly less than the amount of actual usage on the platform.

Speaker 2

And so I think what we're seeing is we're seeing an increase in RPO. We're seeing an increase in underlying business momentum. It makes me very cautiously optimistic about the future, but it's not a straight line either, right? Could it zig or zag? Absolutely.

Speaker 2

And it could zig or zag simply by kind of the definition of RPO, which is future contracted revenue or a backlog of contracted revenue, where we know intelligent customer assistant maybe being used for X number of interactions per month and there's a number significantly smaller that's contracted. And so, I want to say that what I think is RPO will grow over time. It won't be a linear straight line and a lot of it will depend on how much usage business we get in and some of the other things that we do from a financial model. In general, we are seeing more and more, I would say, customer push or customer request to have a consumption based like pricing or consumption based like commercial opportunities in future deals. And so that's just something that we all need to think about.

Speaker 7

Got it. And just a quick follow-up please. On the CPaaS business, are you seeing some of your international APAC

Speaker 4

kind of

Speaker 7

core markets there? Are you seeing any of this A2P fee stuff come along like they do in the U. S, these big up charges for A2P, cloud to person?

Speaker 2

No. But let's be clear, Those carriers in 2020, 2021 and 2022 push through pretty big price increases. So I think unlike what we're seeing here, they don't necessarily need to be that obsessed about pushing through higher prices because I feel like they've already done it to us. They actually this year 2024, we saw some of the most mild price increases we've seen in 5 years because they have pushed up prices so much. And so I don't think we need it.

Speaker 2

I mean the U. S. Market is a bit of a group Goldberg machine right now because of the whole registration thing, etcetera. I would say we're pretty bullish on RCS coming in the future. So we've got some product innovation going around RCS.

Speaker 2

You should expect to hear about that shortly, and those kinds of things. But I'm not sure we're going to see much more from the carriers pushing forward.

Speaker 7

Perfect. That's all I've got. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Ryan.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Samuel Wilson, CEO for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

All right. Thank you everyone for joining us. I really want to thank our partners, our customers, our employees and most importantly our shareholders for taking time out of their busy day to listen to this earnings call. We appreciate it. As I mentioned earlier, we think the company is sort of on the right path.

Speaker 2

Our transformation is gating hold and we look forward to updating you again next quarter. Thank you.

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