Arista Networks Q4 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Arista delivered 33.8% year-over-year revenue growth in fiscal 2023 to $5.86 billion (versus 25% guidance), with Q4 revenue of $1.54 billion (+20.8% YoY) and record non-GAAP EPS of $2.08 in Q4 and $6.94 for the full year.
  • For fiscal 2024, Arista expects 10–12% revenue growth (to ~$6.5 billion), Q1 revenue of $1.52–1.56 billion, non-GAAP gross margin of ~62% and operating margin of ~42%.
  • In AI networking, Arista is pioneering Ultra Ethernet enhancements—packet spraying, flexible ordering and VOQ lossless fabric—has won 4 of 5 large AI bids over InfiniBand, and targets at least $750 million in AI networking revenue by 2025.
  • Core data center products drove ~65% of 2023 revenue, with Arista holding >40% market share in 100–400 GbE switching and growing its 400 GbE customer base from ~600 to ~800 in the year.
  • Network adjacencies (campus and routing) contributed ~19% of revenue, backed by cognitive campus solutions (Agni, AIVA) aiming for $750 million by 2025, while subscription software and services made up ~16% of revenue with over 2,400 CloudVision customers.
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Earnings Conference Call
Arista Networks Q4 2023
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There are 16 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the 4th Quarter 2023 Aritzia Networks Financial Results Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and will be available for replay from the Investor Relations section at the Aritzia website following this call. Ms. Liz Sine, Arista's Director of Investor Relations, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. With me on today's call are Jayshree Ullal, Arista Networks' Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer Ida Brennan, Arista's outgoing Chief Financial Officer and Chantal Breidup, Arista's incoming Chief Financial Officer. This afternoon, Arista Networks issued a press release announcing the results for its fiscal Q4 ending December 31, 2023. If you would like a copy of this release, you can access it online from our website.

Speaker 1

During the course of this conference call, Arista Networks Management will make forward looking statements, including those relating to our financial outlook for the Q1 of the 2024 fiscal year, longer term financial outlooks for 2024 and beyond, Our total addressable market and strategy for addressing these market opportunities, including AI, customer demand trends, supply chain constraints, component costs, manufacturing output, inventory management and inflationary pressures on our business, Lead times, product innovation, working capital optimization and the benefits of acquisitions, which are subject to the risks and uncertainties that we discuss in detail and our documents filed with the SEC, specifically in our most recent Form 10Q and Form 10 ks, and which could cause actual results to differ materially from those by these statements. These forward looking statements apply as of today and you should not rely on them as representing our views in the future. We undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call. Also, please note that certain financial measures we use on this call are expressed on a non GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude certain charges. We have provided reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to GAAP Financial Measures in our earnings press release.

Speaker 1

With that, I will turn the call over to Jayshree.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Liz. Thank you, everyone, for joining us this afternoon for our Q4 2023 earnings call. 2023 has been another memorable year for Arista. We gave initial guidance of 25% year over year revenue growth and instead achieved well beyond that at 33.8%, Driving revenue to $5,860,000,000 coupled with a record non GAAP earnings per share for the year of $6.94 up in excess of 50% annually. Back to some Q4 specifics, We delivered revenues of $1,540,000,000 for the quarter with a non GAAP record earnings per share of $2.08 due to a one time Favorable tax rate.

Speaker 2

Services and software support renewals contributed approximately 17% of revenue. Our non GAAP gross margins of 65.4 percent was influenced by improving supply chain and greater enterprise mix. International contributions for the quarter registered at 22.3 percent with the Americas at 77.7%. This was one of our strongest performing international quarters in recent history. Shifting to annual sector revenue for 2023, Cloud titans contributed significantly at approximately 43%.

Speaker 2

Enterprises, including financials, was strong at approximately 36%, while the providers were at 21%. Both Meta and Microsoft are greater than 10% customer concentration at 21% and 18% respectively. Despite multiple CapEx reductions last year and the normal volatility of cloud titan and AI pivots, We cherish our privileged status with both M and M. Speaking of AI, in fall of 2023, Andy and I attended the 50th Golden Anniversary of Ethernet At the Computer History Museum, it truly is a reminder of how familiar widely deployed Ethernet is with its speed increasing by orders of magnitude From a shared collision 2.95 megabits for file printed share to a terabit Ethernet switching in the AI and ML era. AI workloads are placing greater demands on Ethernet as they are both data and compute intensive across thousands of processors today.

Speaker 2

Basically, AI at scale needs Ethernet at scale. AI workloads cannot tolerate the delays in the network because a job can only be completed After all flows are successfully delivered to the GPU clusters, all it takes is one culprit or worst case link to throttle an entire AI workload. Three improvements are being pioneered by Arista and the founding members of the Ultra Ethernet Consortium to improve job completion time. Number 1, packet spraying. AI network topology needs packet spraying to allow every flow to simultaneously access all parts of the destination.

Speaker 2

Arista is developing multiple forms of load balancing dynamically with our customers. 2 is flexible ordering. Key to an AI job completion is the rapid and reliable bulk transfer with flexible ordering using Ethernet links to optimally balance AI intensive operations, Unlike the rigid ordering of InfiniBank, Arista is working closely with its leading NIC vendors to achieve this. Finally, network congestion. In AI networks, there's a common in cast congestion problem whereby multiple uncoordinated senders can send traffic to the receiver simultaneously.

Speaker 2

Arista's platforms are purpose built and designed to avoid these kind of hotspots, Evenly spreading the load across multi packs across our virtual output queuing VOQ lossless fabric. In terms of annual 2023 product lines, our core, which consists of cloud, AI and data center products, are built upon our highly differentiated Arista extensible operating software system stack. It is successfully deployed across 10, 25, 100, 200, 400 gig speeds. Our cloud networking products deliver power efficient, High availability zones without doubling the cost of redundancy as data centers demand insatiable bandwidth capacity and network speeds For both the front end and back end storage and compute clusters, the core drove approximately 65% of our revenue. We continue to gain share in our highest performance switching of 100, 200, 400 gig ports to attain the number one position at approximately 40 plus percent according to industry analysts.

Speaker 2

We have increased our 400 gig customer base from 6 100 customers in 2022 to approximately 800 customers in 2023. We expect Both 408 100 gigabit Ethernet will emerge as important pilots for AI back end GPU clusters. We are cautiously optimistic about achieving our AI revenue goal of at least $750,000,000 in AI networking in 2025. Our second market is network adjacencies comprised of routing, replacing routers and our cognitive campus workspaces. We continue to make progress in campus aiming for the $750,000,000 revenue by 2025 that we have shared at many Analyst Days.

Speaker 2

Our investments in cognitive wired and wireless, zero touch provisioning and the introduction of Agni, Arista Guardian for network identities, as well as AIVA sensors of threat mitigation is resonating well with our campus customers. The post pandemic campus is seeking network as a service overlays and 0 trust network embedded in with high availability, observability and consistency across our OS and management domains. We are also successfully deployed in many routing edge and peering use cases. Just in 2023 alone, We introduced 6 EOS software releases across 600 new features and 50 platforms. In fall of 2023, we introduced our WAN routing system with a focus on scale, encryption and WAN transit routing capabilities.

Speaker 2

It has positioned us well, giving our customers a seamless enterprise LAN and WAN portfolio. The campus and routing adjacencies together contribute approximately 19% of revenue. Our 3rd category is network software and services based on subscription models such as Avista Acare, VOD Vision, DANS Monitoring Fabric or DMF observability and advanced threat sensors for network detection and response. Arista's subscription based network services and software contributed approximately 16% of the total revenue. We surpassed 2,400 cumulative customers with CloudVision, pivotal to building a modern operating model for the enterprise.

Speaker 2

Please note that perpetual software licenses are not included here and accounted inside the core or adjacent markets. While 2023's headline has been mostly about AI, We are pleased with the momentum of enterprise and provider customers as well. Arista continues to diversify its business globally with multiple use cases and verticals. We have more than doubled our enterprise revenue in the last 3 years and we are becoming the gold standard for client to cloud to AI networking with 1 EOS and 1 Cloud Vision Foundation. Our $1,000,000 customer logos increased steadily in 2023 at approximately 35% as a direct result of our campus and enterprise momentum.

Speaker 2

3 principles continue to differentiate as we are poised to be a market share gainer in the enterprise. 1, best in class highly available proactive products with resilience and hitless upgrades at multiple levels. To 0 touch automation for predictive client to cloud one click operations that relies less on human staff or manual operations and is instead software driven. And finally, prescriptive insights based on AIML Autonomous Virtual Assist algorithms for increased security, observability and root cause analysis. Our foundational network data lake architecture and the ability to gather, Store and process multiple modalities of network data is the only way to reconcile all the incongruent silos for network operators.

Speaker 2

While legacy vendors that are 30 to 40 years old are aiming for consolidation, Arista remains the only pure play networking innovator earning top spots in Forrester Wave's programmable switching and customer validation in Gartner's Voice of Customer for campus in 2023. In December 2023, we conducted one of our largest customer events called Innovate in Vegas. Well, not my most favorite location, our customers and prospects found it very exciting and compelling for their network transformation initiatives. They resonate deeply with our Arista 2.0 vision, building best of breed, data driven networking platforms. In summary, as we wrap up another fantastic year in 2023, I am so proud of the team's execution across multiple dimensions.

Speaker 2

They have all worked tirelessly to improve our operational metrics such as lead times, gross margin and on time shipments. Simply put, we outpaced the industry in quality, support and innovation. We set the direction for the future working intimately with our strategic customers. Despite limited visibility at this time, we reiterate our double digit growth of 10% to 12% from Analyst Day, aiming for approximately $6,500,000,000 in 2024. With that, I'd like to turn it one last time to review our financial metrics with Ida Brennan.

Speaker 2

Ida? Thanks, Jayshree, and good afternoon.

Speaker 3

This analysis is our Q4 and full year 2023 results Our guidance for Q1 2024 is based on non GAAP and excludes all non cash stock based compensation impacts, certain acquisition related charges and other non recurring items. Full reconciliation of our selected GAAP to non GAAP results is provided in our earnings release. Total revenues in Q4 were $1,540,000,000 up 20.8 percent year over year and towards the upper end of our guidance of $1,500,000,000 to 1 point $55,000,000,000 Services and subscription software contributed approximately 17% of revenue in the 4th quarter, up from 16.8% in Q3. International revenues for the quarter came in at $343,500,000 or 22.3 percent of total revenue, up from 21.5% last quarter. This quarter over quarter increase largely reflected a healthy contribution from our in region EMEA customers.

Speaker 3

Overall gross margin in Q4 was 65.4 percent, well above our guidance of approximately 63% and up from 63.1% last quarter. As a recap for the year, we continue to see incremental improvements in gross margin quarter over quarter with higher enterprise shipments and better supply chain costs, somewhat offset by the need for additional inventory reserves as customers refined their forecast product mix. Operating expenses for the quarter were $262,700,000 or 17.1 percent of revenue, up from last quarter at $255,600,000 R and D spending came in at $165,000,000 or 10.7 percent of revenue, consistent with last quarter, reflecting lower levels of new product introduction costs versus what we experienced in the first half of twenty twenty three and what we expect for the first half of twenty twenty four. This reflects the timing of prototype and other costs associated with the development of next generation products. Sales and marketing expenses were $83,400,000 or 5.4 percent of revenue, up from $79,000,000 last quarter with increases increased sales compensation and travel costs.

Speaker 3

Our G and A costs came in at $14,300,000 0.9 percent of revenue, up from $12,100,000 last quarter, reflecting some seasonal 4th quarter spending. Our operating income for the quarter was $744,000,000 or 48.3 percent of revenue. Other income and expense for was a favorable $54,500,000 and our effective tax rate was 16.8%. This lower than normal quarterly tax rate the release of tax reserves due to the expiration of the statute of limitations and some true up of jurisdictional earnings mix. This resulted in net income for the quarter of $664,300,000 or 43.1 percent of revenue.

Speaker 3

Our diluted share number was 318,850,000 shares, resulting in a diluted earnings per share number for the quarter of $2.08 up 47.5% from the prior year. Now turning to the balance sheet. Cash, cash equivalents and investments ended the quarter at approximately 5,000,000,000 We did not repurchase shares of our common stock in the quarter. To recap our repurchase program to date, we have repurchased 855,500,000 Our 8,000,000 shares has an average price of $107 per share under our current $1,000,000,000 board authorization. This leaves $144,500,000 available for repurchase in future quarters.

Speaker 3

The actual timing and amount of future repurchases be dependent on market and business conditions, stock price and other factors. Now turning to operating cash performance for the 4th quarter. Generated approximately $526,500,000 of cash from operations in the period, reflecting strong earnings performance combined with some increase in deferred revenue offset by reductions in taxes payable. DSOs commenced 61 days, up from 51 days in Q3, affecting the timing of shipments and seasonal strength in service renewal billings. Inventory turns were 0.07x down slightly to 1.1 last quarter.

Speaker 3

Inventory increased slightly to $1,950,000,000 affecting the ongoing receipt and consumption of components from our purchase commitments and an increase in switch related finished goods. Our purchase commitments at the end of the quarter were $1,590,000,000 down from $2,000,000,000 at the end of Q3. We expect to continue to reduce our overall purchase commitment number. However, we will maintain a healthy position related to key components, especially as we focus on new products. Our total deferred revenue balance was $1,510,000,000 up from $1,195,000,000 in Q3.

Speaker 3

The majority of the deferred revenue balance is services related and directly linked to the timing and term of service contracts, which can vary on a quarter by quarter basis. Our product deferred revenue balance increased approximately $153,000,000 over last quarter. This was ahead of our expectations for the quarter and yet again shows that this balance can move significantly on a quarterly basis. As of now, we expect this balance to decline somewhat in Q1 'twenty four but still be up significantly from Q3 2023 levels. Accounts payable days were 72 days, up from 44 days in Q3, In fact, in the timing of inventory receipts and payments, capital expenditures for the quarter were $6,000,000 I would now like to turn the call back to Jayshree.

Speaker 3

Jayshree?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Ida. First of all, for an incredible eight and a half years as our Chief Financial Officer, we're going to miss you a lot And wish you all the best in your next innings. And if you ever miss an earnings call, please come. We'll invite you for 1. Now to describe our Q1 twenty twenty four guidance, it's my pleasure to introduce our incoming Chief Financial Officer, Chantal Breidup for her very first earnings call at Arista.

Speaker 2

Welcome, Chantal. Thank you, Jayshree. Ida, congratulations on all that you have achieved during

Speaker 4

your tenure with Arista. Your partnership during our transition is greatly appreciated. Since joining Arista, I've been impressed by both the outstanding leadership team and the highly innovative engineering team both serve a set of marquee customers that are redefining the future of networking. Arista began shipping products in 2,008 And in 15 years, the annual bandwidth of the data centers has grown 350 fold. In just the past 2 years, the annual bandwidth has doubled with Arista shipping a 75,000,000 ports in that timeframe.

Speaker 4

Our acceleration in the data center switching market in recent quarters is evidenced by our market share gains in the 20 plus percent range of both ports and dollars. I am thrilled to be joining Arista at such an exciting time. Now turning to our outlook for the Q1 of 2024 and the remainder of the fiscal year. We remain confident with our Analyst Day View, which called for fiscal year 2024 revenue growth of 10% to 12%. This reflects our outlook for moderated cloud spending after multiple years of The range for the fiscal year of 62% to 64% with Q1 2024 expected to be at the lower end due to a heavier cloud mix including some expected release of deferred revenue.

Speaker 4

In terms of spending, we expect to invest in gross spending faster than revenue. In line with our Analyst Day view with an operating margin of approximately 42% in 2024. This incremental investment may include go to market resourcing and increased new product introduction cost to support our product roadmap. This latter trend is already evident in Q1 'twenty four as R and D is expected to rebound from the unusually low levels in the second half of twenty twenty three. On the cash front, we will continue to work to reduce our working capital investments and drive some further reduction in inventory as we move through the year.

Speaker 4

Our structural tax rate is expected to remain at 21.5 percent back to the usual historical rate, up from the unusually low one time rate of 16.8% experienced last quarter Q4 FY 2023. With all of this as a backdrop, our guidance for the Q1, which is based on our non GAAP results and Excludes any non cash stock based compensation impacts and other non recurring items is as follows: revenues of approximately $1,520,000,000 to 1.56 gross margin of approximately 62% and operating margin at approximately 42%. Our effective tax rate is expected to be approximately 21.5 percent with approximately 319,500,000 diluted shares. In summary, I am excited to lead Arista 2.0 journey as CFO. We will migrate our best of breed products to best of breed data driven platforms, enabling our impressive TAM of $60,000,000,000 With that, I now turn the call back to Liz for Q and A.

Speaker 4

Liz? Thank you, Chantal. We will now move to the

Speaker 1

Q and A portion of the Arista earnings call.

Speaker 4

To allow for greater participation,

Speaker 1

I'd like to request that everyone please limit themselves

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Aaron Rakers from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thanks for taking the question. And Ita, it's been great working with you. Wish I guess my question is, Jayshree, just obviously the focus on AI and the build outs of back end networks based on 408 100 gig Ethernet. I'm just curious like as you as we progress through these last 3 months, How has your views evolved?

Speaker 5

And just remind us of the cadence of kind of product cycles that really set the table for Arista and this AI opportunity as we move through 2024 and particularly into 2025? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Aaron. And yes, we will all miss EDA. So our AI performance continues to track well for the $750,000,000 revenue goal that we set last November at Analyst Day. To give you some color on the last 3 months, I would say Difficult to project anything in 3 months, but if I look at the last year, which may be last 12 months is a better indication. We have participated in a large number of AI bids.

Speaker 2

And when I say large, I should say they are large AI bids, but they are a small number of customers To be more clear, and in the last 4 out of 5 AI networking customers we have participated on Ethernet versus InfiniBand, Arista has won All 4 of them for Ethernet, one of them still stays on InfiniBand. So these are very high profile customers. We are pleased with this progress. But as I said before, last year was the year of trials. This is the year of pilots and true production truly sets in only in 2025.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tal Liani from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi. I'm trying to find because we don't have the backlog contribution of last year, I'm trying to kind of dissect the numbers and see what's the correlation with core data center business and traditional compute. So if server sales cycle is low and we see some declines in servers, Does it mean that at least in the short run excluding the macro contribution, there is also a decline in the orders? Just how does it work between server demand and switching demand? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. So Tal, first of all, as you know, Ita and I or Chantal and I would never Really comment on bookings, orders, we find these all to be kind of useless metrics because ultimately what matters is what we ship, which is revenue. But just to sort of answer your question on ratio of CPUs or for that matter GPUs in the future to the network. Typically we have to have the CPUs or GPUs come in before we can offset the network. It kind of go hand in hand.

Speaker 2

As you know, in AI, we've been waiting for the GPUs. And in the last couple of years, they've been waiting for everything with a long lead time. But I would say generally in the leaf architecture, they go hand in hand where you have to create a rack of 1,000 servers or whether they're CPUs and GPUs. And generally they look to rack and stack the cable, the CPUs and the network together. On the spine, which is our which connects all of our lease, That decision can be made independently even if the processors are not available.

Speaker 2

So on the leaf, it's more correlated on the spine, it's not.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sebastien Szajj from William Blair. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you. I just wanted to start and echo everyone's commentary and wish you the best, Ita. It's been a pleasure. My question has to do with White Box.

Speaker 8

People have been talking about the threat for White Box since Arista has been around, It hasn't really impacted Arista's ability to grow. Can you maybe articulate why you believe in the world of AI networks? More of the market would not move to white box or Vice versa, maybe why more of the market would move away from White Box?

Speaker 2

It's a good question, Sebastien. Thank you. Look, I think white box is here to stay for a very long time if somebody just wants to throw away commodity product, but how many people want throw away commodity in the data center? They're so mission critical and they're even more mission critical for AI. If I'm going to spend, you know, multi $1,000,000,000 on a GPU cluster, Then the last thing I'm going to do is put a toy network in, right?

Speaker 2

So to put this sort of in perspective, we will continue to coexist with White Box. There will be use cases where Arista's blue box or a standalone white box can run either Sonic or F BOSS. But many times the EOS software stack is really, really something they depend on for availability, analytics, automation And there's you can get your network for 0 cost, but the cost of downtime is 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of dollars. So we have always embraced white box. We coexist with it, but it continues to be a relatively small use case in the larger mission critical data centers for enterprise and cloud companies.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matthew. Thank you, Jayshree.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matt Niknam from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks so much for taking the question. Maybe a higher level strategy question. We've seen 2 of your key networking peers scale up sizable M and A over the last several months. So can you talk a little bit about how you view the value of such scale in order to maybe better serve and target both the cloud and AI titan as well as enterprise verticals? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, but Matt, that's a good question. I think on the cloud and AI, We feel pretty bulked up to deal with those customers because they don't look for size and bulk. They look for, as you know, networking innovation capabilities and this has been Arista's heritage for 10 years and will continue to be with the AI cycle for the next foreseeable 10 years. On the enterprise, there are multiple markets And size helps.

Speaker 2

I think if you are targeting the early adopters, services traditionally done very, very well there. The last 3 years is a good example of how well we've done there both in the data center and in the campus. If you look at the next category of sort of the Not necessarily the screaming early adopters, but maybe the fast followers. I think Arista will continue to do well there in the large enterprise. We are so underserved and under penetrated in both the Fortune 5,1000 and the Global 2,000.

Speaker 2

We've got a long, long ways to go. We probably have 20% of those customers. We got 80% of them left to go. And that I'm not even talking about the mid market in the SMB, which is a whole other market that we are underserved in. So absolutely, we need to make more investments in enterprise there.

Speaker 2

When I look at what Onshore, Krishmit, Ashwin are doing this is exactly where we're doubling down. This is exactly where we doubled down in the last 3 years post pandemic And we have more than doubled our revenue and increased our logo presence because of this investment in the enterprise. I can't comment about Consolidation of vendors, but when vendors don't grow, 5 plus 5 sometimes is 10. But if you be careful on integration, 5 plus 5 can sometimes be 7 too. So that's somebody else's responsibility, not mine.

Speaker 2

I think we can get a lot of organic growth.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks. Jayshree, maybe just a question. You noted limited visibility and understand that this early during the year. But would you say that it's timing of when some of these back end pilots scale into production?

Speaker 10

Is it kind of level of front end spending, is it enterprise projects, just like where you're finding just more commentary on the visibility comment? And then Second question, you guys noted on the gross margins that it's a portion of mix and kind of supply chain costs coming down, but just if there's any one bias towards what led to the gross margin upside in the quarter? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Maybe I'll take that last one first. I mean, a lot of the upside in the Q4 was really just customer mix, right? I mean, we were weighted heavily towards enterprise in Q4, not for any particular reason. It just happened to be that way and that kind of dropped the margins higher.

Speaker 2

And Meta, to answer your question on enterprise and AI activity, I think Alistair continues to drive the concept of EOS, multi domain routing, campus, high availability, mission critical enterprises for multiple verticals. We're making good progress there and this is going to be the Part of our mainstream innovation and go to market. On the AI side, we continue to track well. I think we're moving from what I call trials, which is connecting hundreds of GPUs to pilots, which is connecting thousands of GPUs this year. And then we expect larger production clusters.

Speaker 2

I think one of the questions that we will be asking ourselves and our customers is How these production clusters evolve? Is it going to be 400, 800 or a combination thereof? The role of ultra Ethernet consortium and standards And the ecosystem all coming together very similar to how we had these discussions in 400 gig will also play a large part. We're feeling pretty good about the activity. And I think moving from trials to pilots this year will give us considerable confidence on next year's number.

Operator

Great.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Piyush.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of James Fish From Piper Sandler, please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Hey, thanks for the question. Maybe Ida, for you, and I'll miss having you on here by the way, congrats on retirement. But what's causing the delay being able to ship that we saw that product deferred revenue jump as much as we did or should we think about this as normal to see this level of jump in Q4 Based on what you've disclosed in the past, it doesn't seem like this is a normal jump. I guess what's the hang up? And with supply chain starting to go the other way, it's probably more readily available.

Speaker 11

Could we actually see the price increases you guys have enacted in the past now have be given back at some point in 2024, 2025?

Speaker 3

Yes, Jim, I think the deferred, if you think back to how this works, obviously, it's been shipped for it to actually be in deferred, right? So I think that's it's just timing. And we've talked about this lots over the past. I'm sure Shantel is going to talk about it Again, in the future, right, is that it's really is just purity timing of shipments and where we have some new type projects, new capabilities that we're trialing with that's causing it to get caught in the deferred, but it's not a fundamental underlying driver of the business. I think On pricing and there's very little that's happening in terms of pricing adjustments that's kind of out of the ordinary.

Speaker 3

So it's normal pricing environment where we continue to compete for business. I don't think there's anything particularly different there that we've seen.

Speaker 11

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ittai Kidron from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Thanks and congrats to you as well, Ita. I'll miss you. And Shantel, good luck of course to you in your new role. I guess a couple of ones for me. First of all, on the cloud mix, it kind of declined a little bit on the year.

Speaker 7

Maybe you can tell us what are your underlying working assumptions for 24. And then more broadly on the 24 guide, Chantel, it It feels light. You're talking about $600,000,000 increase year over year in revenue. It feels like half of it can already come From the AI networking, giving your 25 targets and you seem very comfortable about your 25 targets, I would think your 24 should be comfortable as well. So why if I assume that $200,000,000 $300,000,000 come from AI networking this year, why should the rest of the business generate only $300,000,000 to get to your annual targets?

Speaker 7

How why such aggressive conservatism here on the guide?

Speaker 2

Okay. Ittai, let me take the first question and then I'll pass it over to Ittai and Chantal for what you call conservatism. So first of all, our cloud mix is very strong, very good. But I think what you should take away from this is not that our cloud mix came down, but our enterprise did really, really well. And since 100% is the total pie, when something does really well, then the others look less so.

Speaker 2

So we're doing well on all three sectors We're very proud of the enterprise momentum. AI is going to come. It is yet to come. And certainly in 2023, as I've said to you many, many times, it was a very times, it was a very small part of our number, but it will gradually increase. Okay.

Speaker 2

Richard, one of my fantastic CFOs wants to take the Conservatism question.

Speaker 4

So I'll start the call with that. Thanks, Yi Ti and nice to

Speaker 2

meet you. Thank you for

Speaker 4

the well wishes. I think coming into 2024, it's a balanced view in the sense of we want to have multiple options to get to our year. And so we'll work through what those mixes are and how to get to that that we've laid out for our guidance. I think that Jayshree very eloquently put in the sense of 'twenty three, 'twenty four, 'twenty five of what we expect from AI Going from trials to pilots to production. And so we'll work through what that means in 2024.

Speaker 4

But I think to change anything in Q1 at this time. We're just going to go a quarter at the time, especially with me coming in and we'll see how the year progresses.

Speaker 7

Very good. Good luck.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Alex Henderson from Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Ida, I can't believe you're leaving us. I'm going to miss you. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3

No, go ahead. I'll take your question.

Speaker 12

Yes. So, the question I have really is What are you hearing from the field, particularly in the enterprise segment? There's been a lot of noise about indigestion of large amounts of volume that have been shipped to various companies. And clearly, there's some concern that there's Some oversupply over the last year into the enterprise market. And I think you've talked to a lot of CEOs.

Speaker 12

What are they telling you in terms of where their IT spending intentions are for 2024? Where are they saying the spending is going relative to The networking gear versus alternative spending priorities? Thanks.

Speaker 2

That's a good question, Alex. I certainly talk to a lot of CIs and CEOs. And if I rewind the clock to January last year, I think the price was a lot spooky event. We were going through this whole financial crisis, Silicon Valley Bank, this, that, the other. And if I look at if I now fast forward to a year later, Our momentum in the owner purchase is actually stronger now than it was a year ago.

Speaker 2

So all this, I think customers are looking for that Innovation, modern network model, CICD principles, bringing DevOps, NetOps, SecOps, All of this together and so Arista continues in my view with the large TAM we have at the enterprise of at least $30,000,000,000 out of that $60,000,000,000 To have the opportunity to really deliver that vision of client to cloud, break down the operational silos And I would say today the CIOs recognize us as the pure play innovator more than any other company.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Otif Malik from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Thank you for taking my question. Jayshree, thanks for providing that comment on the 4 wins against InfiniBand. Now your networking competitor announced a collaboration with NVIDIA on Ethernet AI Enterprise Solutions last week. Can you talk about what this means your Ethernet back end business if anything?

Speaker 2

Yes, I don't understand the announcement as well as Probably my competitor does. I think it has more to do with UCS and Cisco validated designs. Specific to our partnership, You can be assured that we'll be working with the leading GPU vendors. And as you know, NVIDIA has 90% or 95% of the market. So Jensen and I are going to partner closely.

Speaker 2

It is vital to get a complete AI network design going. We will also be working with our partners in AMD and Intel. So we will be the Switzerland of XPUs, whatever the GPU might be and we look to supply the best network ever.

Speaker 14

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tim Long from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 14

Thank you. Yes, Ida, going to miss you as well. Good luck. So wanted to follow-up A little bit more on that AI, Jayshree, you talked about those wins. Could you just talk a little bit about a little bit more color there?

Speaker 14

Do you think these deployments are going to be more sole sourced or will there be multiple vendors? Did you face Kind of a distant competitive landscape than normal in these and what are you thinking about breadth of this business? I'm sure it's a lot of The really large customers as you said right now, but can you talk a little bit about how you see this moving into whether it's other service providers for the enterprise vertical? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Tim. Okay. So let me just step back and say the first Real consultative approach from Arista is to provide our expertise on how to build a robust back end AI network. And so the whole discussion of Ethernet become versus InfiniBand becomes really important because you may recall a year ago I told you we were outside looking in, everybody had Everybody had an InfiniBand HPC cluster that was kind of getting bundled into AI.

Speaker 2

But a lot of change in a year and the popular product we are seeing right now As the back end cluster for our AI is the Arista 7,800 AI spine, which in a single chassis With north of 500 terabit of capacity can give you a substantial number of ports, 400 or 800. You can connect up to 1,000 GPUs just doing that. And that kind of data parallel scale out can improve the training time dimensions, large LLMs, massive integration of training data. And of course, as we shared with you at the Analyst Day, we can expand that to a 2 tier AI leaf and spine with a 16 way CMP to support close to 10,000 GPUs non blocking. This lossless architecture for Ethernet and then the overlay we will have on that With the ultra Ethernet consortium in terms of congestion controls, packet spring and working with a suite of UEC mix is what I think will make Ethernet the default standard for AI networking going forward.

Speaker 2

Now will it be sole source? Gosh, I would be remiss if I didn't tell you that our cloud networking isn't so sole sourced. So probably our AI won't be too heavy. But Today's models are moving very rapidly, relying on a high bandwidth, predictable latency, The focus on application performance requires you to be sole sourced initially. And over time, I'm sure it will move to sources, but I think Arista is very well positioned for the first innings of AI networking just like we were for the cloud networking decade.

Speaker 2

And one other thing I want to say is although a lot of these customers are doing AI pivots, these AI pivots will result in revisiting the front end cloud network too. So, sort of this AI anatomy is being really well understood and if you take a deep look at the centerpiece of it, which is all the GPUs, They have to connect to something very reliable and this is really where we come in. And so this being actively involved has is going to pay a lot of dividends, but we're still very much in our first innings of AI.

Speaker 14

Okay, great. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ben Ritzes from Melius Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 15

Hey, thanks for the question. And obviously, Ita, it's been great working with you. Thanks for All you've done for us. I wanted to ask about your guidance and the conservatism from another lens here. With regard to 2024, since your November 9th Analyst Day, some things have changed.

Speaker 15

Microsoft, Meta and Google have all raised their CapEx forecast for 2024. Obviously, your guidance for 2024 stays the same and I know you're usually conservative. And then for 2025, AMD up their TAM very significantly for AI and by a multiple. And I guess they're seeing something that many of us are seeing with regard to the future demand and you've your guidance at $750,000,000 I just with that backdrop and the changes since November 9th and you guys keeping your guidance, I understand you're conservative. Do you mind addressing your conservatism or your guidance from those lenses, both with regard to 2024 and 2025, Jayshree?

Speaker 2

So Ben, I'm going to let my 2 CFOs speak to the conservatism and then I'll add more color. How about that? Who wants to book this? Yes.

Speaker 12

I think

Speaker 2

Ben, nice to meet you, Chantal.

Speaker 4

I think that a change from November to January, February timeframe, I don't think would change our guidance on the year, kind of similar to the question I think that our guide right now resembles where we think we're at in the sense of what will materialize in 2024. We'll take it 1 quarter at a time. At a time, The reflections of the changes you're mentioning, the timing of that, we have to wait and see. There's no guarantee that's within our 12 month guidance time frame. And We'll watch, wait and see, but Jayshree?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think that says it all. I mean, all the drivers that you mentioned Our great drivers, the timing of everything that's always complex, right? So, we'll take it a quarter of time and see how things play out.

Speaker 2

And look, if our conservatism changes to more optimism in the second half or more likely in 2025, we'll keep you posted.

Speaker 15

All right. Thanks a lot. Take care.

Speaker 1

Operator, we have time for one last question.

Operator

Thank you. Your final question comes from the line of Karl Ackerman from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Your is open.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thank you for squeezing me in and good evening from Paris. So there have been several companies with supply chain that indicate the market for 800 gig and early deployments of 1.6 T ports will begin to inflect later this year for actually front end networks. And so I guess why would I be wrong to conclude that your hardware sales would be a leading indicator of that? And I guess as a result, Shouldn't cloud tighten revenue grow at least in line with your outlook for 2024 double digit growth?

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you, Carl. Again, our history is a good indicator of future. And if you look at our 400 gig, everybody asked me the same question. How come 400 gig isn't taking off in 2019 or 2020?

Speaker 2

And it turned out it took our ecosystem several years and of course the pandemic didn't help Well, that was optics and mix, so the whole entire thing to come together. And I don't doubt we will have trials for 800 gig this year, I think real production 800 cake will happen in 2025. I'd like to be proven wrong and maybe it will come in sooner, in which case, like I said, we'll let you know. At the moment, this is our best case prediction.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Carl. This concludes Sierra Vista Networks' 4th quarter 2020 earnings call. We have posted a presentation which provides additional information on our results which you can access on the Investors section of our website.

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