American Bitcoin Q1 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Completed miner upgrade program ahead of schedule, deploying Bitmain S21-210 miners to add 23 PH/s, boosting self-mining hash rate to ~0.94 EH/s and improving fleet efficiency to 28.5 J/TH.
  • Q1 breakeven cost per Bitcoin increased to ~$34,000 from $23,800 in Q4 2023 due to higher energy rates and global hash difficulty, though it remains below current Bitcoin prices.
  • Board authorized a $5 million share buyback program, underscoring management’s confidence in the strategy and commitment to enhancing shareholder value.
  • Net loss widened to $11.7 million (or $0.36 per share) in Q1 from $6.9 million a year ago, while adjusted EBITDA fell to $1.9 million from $4.2 million year-over-year.
  • Company plans to pursue accretive M&A amid expected post-halving consolidation, targeting distressed carbon-neutral miners to scale toward a 10× hash growth objective.
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American Bitcoin Q1 2024
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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Gryphon Digital Mining first quarter 2024 earnings call. On the call are Rob Chang, Chief Executive Officer of the company, and Sim Salzman, Chief Financial Officer of the company. Before I turn the call over to Mr. Chang, please note that statements made on this call that are not historical facts may be forward-looking statements from the company's management made within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, concerning future events.

Operator

Words such as may, should, projects, expects, intends, plans, believes, anticipates, hopes, estimates, and variations of such words and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous conditions, many of which are beyond the control of the company, including those set forth in the Risk Factors section of the company's Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2024, filed with the SEC.

Operator

Copies of these documents are available on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statements made on this call are made only as of today's date, and the company does not undertake any obligation to update or supplement any such statements to reflect subsequent developments. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Rob Chang, CEO of Gryphon Digital Mining. Rob, please proceed.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for joining us today to discuss Gryphon Digital Mining's first quarter of 2024 results. In Q1, we continued to execute on our mission of creating a financially nimble, highly profitable, and environmentally responsible Bitcoin mining operation. I am pleased to highlight that we have successfully completed our miner upgrade program ahead of schedule.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

This strategic initiative is expected to significantly enhance our operational efficiency and strengthen our competitive position in the market. As part of this program, we have deployed the previously announced batch of Bitmain S21 200 TH/s miners, which were procured to replace a portion of our older fleet. The integration of these cutting-edge machines is projected to contribute an additional 23 PH/s to our hashing power, while simultaneously improving our average fleet efficiency to an impressive 28.5 J/TH.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

As a result of these upgrades, Gryphon's self-mining hash rate has now reached a capacity of approximately 0.94 EH/s, showcasing our unwavering commitment to maintaining a robust and efficient mining operation. We are confident that these enhancements will position us for continued success and growth in the dynamic Bitcoin mining industry.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

This upgrade is also a notable first step towards our aspirational target of achieving 10 EH/s in an accretive manner as we look to transition from a smaller player to a significant industry presence through accretive growth. Moreover, our focus on operational efficiency resulted in a Q1 breakeven cost for Bitcoin of approximately $34,000, compared to $23,800 in Q4 2023. Over the last twelve months, our average cost per Bitcoin was about $22,500 per Bitcoin.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

As a reminder, we define breakeven as the cost of revenues, excluding depreciation, divided by the total Bitcoin generated. We believe this industry-leading cost structure positions us to weather Bitcoin price volatility and maintain profitability even in challenging environments. During the quarter, we remained focused on opportunities to grow our hash rate in a highly accretive manner.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

We actively focused on private Bitcoin mining companies that are struggling post-halving due to lack of capital and scale. These carbon neutral miners in safe jurisdictions are prime M&A targets for us. By merging into our public vehicle, they can access the capital markets, while any equity we issue would be highly accretive, given our relative valuations. I want to emphasize that any growth we pursue will be done in an accretive manner.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

We will not issue equity simply for the sake of increasing hash rate without accounting for the cost to do so. At this time, we have not entered into any binding LOIs with potential targets. Additionally, I'm pleased to highlight that our board of directors recently authorized a share buyback program, allowing for the repurchase of up to 5 million of Gryphon's common stock.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

This strategic move underscores our ongoing commitment to enhancing shareholder value and demonstrates the board and management team's confidence in Gryphon's strategy. In an industry where share sales are common, Gryphon is showing that share capital management goes both ways. The Bitcoin halving event has been a key theme impacting the industry and our business. With mining rewards cut in half as of mid-April, mining operations that were ill-prepared are now at a crossroads.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

We expect this reckoning event to lead to further industry consolidation that rational operators like Gryphon can take advantage of. We believe our low-cost structure positions us to be a consolidator and emerge stronger on the other side of this industry shakeout. I'll now turn it over to Sim to review our financial results before closing with some additional remarks. Sim?

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Thank you, Rob. I will now highlight our financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2024. Gryphon mined approximately 142 Bitcoin, generating mining revenues of $7.5 million in Q1 2024, compared to $4.8 million in the same period in the prior year. Breakeven costs in Q1 2024 were approximately $34,000, compared to $23,800 in Q4 2023.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

The increase in breakeven costs quarter-over-quarter reflect the direct correlation in the increases in pass-through electrical rates, mining difficulty, and global hash rate over that same period. For the three-month period ending March 31, 2024, and March 31, 2023, the company incurred pass-through variable energy costs of $0.046 per kWh and $0.031 per kWh, respectively, an increase of 46%.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

In addition, the daily average global hash rate increased 88% over that same period. On a per kW basis, this translates into a cost of approximately $0.08 for Q1 2024. Please note that over that same period, Bitcoin's price increased from $22,830-$52,746, or 131%, resulting in increased profitability for each Bitcoin mined.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

We believe break-even costs and total cash costs at the mine level are the most relevant metrics for assessing Bitcoin mining operations. Highlighting these metrics gives investors and analysts better transparency for comparative analysis across mining companies.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Turning to our results of our consolidated statements of operations, our net loss incurred during Q1 2024 of $11.7 million included net non-cash expenses of $11.6 million, inclusive of depreciation expense of $3.2 million, stock-based compensation expense of $208,000, unrealized losses on marketable securities of $216,000, changes in fair value of the Bitcoin denominated note payable of $9.6 million, offset by unrealized gains on digital assets of $1.7 million.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

This compares to a net loss of $6.9 million in the quarter ended March 31, 2023, which included net non-cash expenses of $11 million, inclusive of depreciation expense of $4 million, changes in fair value of the Bitcoin denominated note payable of $8.2 million, offset by unrealized gains on marketable securities of $63,000, and stock-based compensation benefit of $1.2 million.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Our Adjusted EBITDA, a critical gauge of our operational effectiveness and financial well-being, stood at approximately $1.9 million for the quarter ended March 31, 2024, compared to $4.2 million for the quarter ended March 31, 2023. This metric signifies not only our profitability, but also our capacity to produce substantial cash flow while dedicating resources to fuel future expansion.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Net loss per basic and diluted share for Q1 2024 was $0.36, based on basic and diluted weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 32.4 million. This compares to net loss per basic share of Q1 2023 of $0.28, weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 24.9 million.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Our average efficiency for our active fleet of approximately 8,700 Bitcoin mining machines was 28.9 J/TH as of March 31st, 2024. Since then, we have deployed a batch of newer generation mining machines and have improved the fleet efficiency to 28.5 J/TH. As of March 31st, 2024, our balance sheet reports approximately $1.7 million of cash and cash equivalents, $4.2 million in Bitcoin, and approximately $23 million due for the note denominated in Bitcoin.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

As of December 31, 2023, our balance sheet reported approximately $0.9 million in cash and cash equivalents, $2.1 million in Bitcoin, and $14.9 million due for the loan payable. We would like to note that the increase in the debt presented as of March 31, 2024, is due to its structure being denominated in Bitcoin, and as such, reflects a direct correlation to the price of Bitcoin as the period end.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

We have not increased our position of Bitcoin due, and we remain fully hedged to our production. To reiterate Rob's comments, we remain laser focused on pursuing growth in a financially disciplined, accretive manner. With that, I'll turn it back to Rob to discuss Gryphon's 2024 strategy.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Thanks, Sim. In conclusion, Q1 marked another solid quarter of execution for Gryphon, as we delivered strong revenue and profitability while expanding our hash rate. The Halving event is separating the wheat from the chaff in our industry, and we believe we are well positioned to emerge stronger.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Our experienced management team, low-cost operations, and accretive growth strategy differentiate us from the pack. Looking ahead, our priorities for the remainder of 2024 are: one, continue expanding our hash rate in an accretive manner towards our 10 EH/s target through a combination of organic growth and accretive M&A.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Two, maintain our industry-leading cost structure and drive further efficiencies across our operations. Three, be opportunistic in pursuing distressed asset acquisitions to accelerate our accretive growth at attractive valuations. Four, continue our focus on environmental stewardship by keeping our operations 100% carbon neutral.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

With that, operator, let's open the line for any analyst questions.

Operator

Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue.

Operator

For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Once again, please press star one on your phone at this time if you wish to ask a question. Please hold while we pull for questions. The first question today is coming from Martin Toner from ATB Capital Markets. Martin, your line is live.

Martin Toner
Martin Toner
Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets

Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the call.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Morning, Martin.

Martin Toner
Martin Toner
Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets

Can you maybe talk to your strategy utilizing both the ATM and the buyback? You know, it's how... You know, what's your strategy behind when either would be appropriate?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah. So it's the ATM and the buyback, we view as both tools for a good capital management strategy of our shareholders' equity. The way we look at it is when we view that the share price is unreasonably low, let's call it, we would certainly look to buying back the shares because we believe that would be the best deployment of our cash at the time.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Coincidentally, also, if we find that there are good opportunities and then the time is right, we would also pull some money out of the ATM. Would note that the ATM has been around for about a month now, and we've only tapped a small amount, just really to test it out, of around $45,000, or I think 0.008%, 0.08% of our float.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

So we certainly have exercised restraint, and we're not gonna hammer on the ATM as many are worried about. But we do see it as a tool to, at the right time, taking some capital if we think it's the right time and where there's opportunities. As well, on the flip side, on the buyback, we would like to buy back some shares when we think the market is unreasonably pricing us too well.

Martin Toner
Martin Toner
Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets

That's super. Can you talk to the investigation around the PPP loan related to the previous business before the RTO?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah. Sim, I think you might be better positioned to answer that.

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Sure. So at this time, we received a letter for an inquiry on how the PPP was classified. So essentially, Akerna being a tech company, is no different than a energy company providing electricity to a, software or non-direct facing company that is servicing the marijuana industry. And so we are currently pulling up information to provide, to, support that analysis, of which Akerna's prior management relied on in obtaining and then obtaining the forgiveness of that PPP note.

Martin Toner
Martin Toner
Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets

How much risk do you view there is? Like, can you quantify the risk of this?

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

At this time, I can't quantify that risk. I do know the note was for about $2.2 million, but as I said before, it's equivalent. Again, we can't really speak on having any certainties, but I believe there is a remote probability, given the fact pattern that we have been made aware of and have seen. So still very, very preliminary at this point.

Martin Toner
Martin Toner
Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets

Got it. Okay, perfect. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. And last one for me. Maybe if you could just talk through what you're seeing out there in terms of opportunities for M&A. You mentioned distressed. I mean, what type of shape are some of these players in? And maybe give any thoughts you can on, in terms of, like, time frame.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah, certainly. And so we may classify it distressed, but certainly I don't necessarily think they're gonna walk around saying that they are distressed. And not to say that they necessarily are. Let me rephrase to maybe present it as less than ideal scenarios.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

And so what we have seen post-halving is that there have been a few more companies have started exploration scenarios where they maybe engaged investment banks to look for opportunities. And so they see the situation in that with the halving, they're not making as much, or maybe they're breakeven or slightly below, and they're now looking for opportunities. So there are quite a few of those.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

I would say with our M&A team, we probably looked at 12 to maybe 16 different opportunities as well, actively, scouring through them. And so hoping one of those will land. We're in pretty detailed conversations with a few, and we're looking to tack on several of all simultaneously, ideally.

Martin Toner
Martin Toner
Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets

That's great color. Thank you very much. I'll hop back in the queue.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Thanks very much, Warren.

Operator

Thank you. And once again, it is star one if you wish to ask a question today. The next question is coming from Jon Hickman from Ladenburg Thalmann. Jon, your line is live.

Jon Hickman
Jon Hickman
Managing Director, Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann

Hi. Could you maybe walk us through briefly if we were to speak next year at this time, what are your organic growth opportunities? And you know, what kind of hash could you reach organically?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Great question. That's a tough one to answer because we are looking at M&A, and we believe the M&A will trigger the organic. Reason being is this: we don't really want to raise significant amounts of capital around here. If we need to, sure, and if we have an accretive opportunity. But if we were to grow organically right now out of the gate, that would necessarily imply a large capital raise here.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

And so instead, what we're trying to do is we're trying to do M&A first, where we believe there's a lot more accretive and better discounts out there to grow. Using that announcement, we believe our share price will restart reflecting a higher valuation to what we think is more appropriate for what we believe we're worth.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

At that point, we might look at doing some capital raising then, because it'll be less dilutive or less shares we need to issue and then be able to grow organically through machine purchases and the acquisition of facilities directly. So it's tough to say because we are trying to do one thing first before the second.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

But as we've stated before, we do have an aspirational target of hitting 10 EH/s, which is going to be difficult, but it shows the aggressiveness that we're trying to move forward with, in that we're not gonna declare a victory if we only get 50% bigger or 100% bigger. We want to get multiple times bigger, and that's what we're looking to do.

Jon Hickman
Jon Hickman
Managing Director, Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann

So, on the M&A side, these companies that are in less than ideal situations, are you mostly focused on the opportunity to get the power, and then you would put in the appropriate machines or- Is that, is that kind of the goal here?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yes. It's really primarily an acquisition of power, either if they already own it or if they have very attractive hosting contracts, that's what we want. If they happen to have machines, certainly we'll pay for those, assuming that they are still economic, and we will give value, proper fair value for that.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Like, our goal is always to make sure that everyone does well, not just ourselves, because that's how you get more deals. That being said, our ideal situation is as empty as possible so that we could throw in our own machines that are brand spanking new. But rarely will you see a large capacity facility that has nothing inside of it. Usually, someone would have some machines running 'cause otherwise it wouldn't make sense.

Jon Hickman
Jon Hickman
Managing Director, Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann

Yeah.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

But if such a unicorn exists, we will absolutely take that.

Jon Hickman
Jon Hickman
Managing Director, Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann

So what? You know, not to be rude or anything, but if I was one of those companies, why would I pick you versus somebody else?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

No, that's totally a fair question. So most of the groups that we talk to, the reason why they're going this particular route, is because they still believe in the Bitcoin mining space. They believe we're at the cusp of a very big bull run, and so they want to maintain their equity position. And so they're definitely looking to get exposure to a Bitcoin mining company through equity.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

And the only reason why they're really doing this is because there's a lack of available capital to them, because there are 20-some-odd Bitcoin mining companies ahead of them that are public, that would take in capital, more likely, given that investors in those companies could sell their stock and be liquid. So that being said, their view is, how can they get maximum exposure to the upside?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

So they can either pick one of the large giants and disappear into the ether after they get their shares or cash or whoever. Or they can join a Gryphon, who is at 1 EH/s, their operations being anywhere between 0.5 EH/s to maybe 2 EH/s or 3 EH/s, would be more significant, so they would get a bigger piece of a low-cost company.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Just as a reminder, we are the former executives of Riot and Marathon, so we are familiar with building companies from nascent companies into what became very large companies. And we like to say, we'd like to think that we are giving people another chance to do that all over again today.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

And so those companies looking to sell, see what we have to offer, see that they can be a bigger portion, as opposed to being lost in the ether with someone larger, and that's fairly attractive for them. And so, we've generally actually seen a lot of interest as opposed to less because of that.

Jon Hickman
Jon Hickman
Managing Director, Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann

Okay, thank you.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Pleasure.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Kevin Dede from H.C. Wainwright. Kevin, your line is live.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Thanks. Good morning, Rob. Hi, Sim.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Hey, Kev.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Thanks for having me on.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Hi, Kev.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Congrats. Nice quarter. I'm kind of curious, maybe going back to, you know, Martin's line of questioning, you know, ATM versus stock. I was also looking at the debt level. Can you kind of fill me in on what happened? I don't know if that's a result of the, you know, the SPAC process.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

No, no, it's a, it's a piece of debt that we've had from the beginning, and, and frankly, we love it because it was Bitcoin denominated, and we've had it for a couple of years now. It's 6% interest, so challenge anyone to find something that great in terms of interest rate. But it is Bitcoin denominated, which means that we were fully hedged the whole way.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

So as everyone can recall, things were not 60-some-odd thousand about a year and a half ago. It was much, much lower, and quite a few companies, quite a few of our peers struggled because they were not making enough U.S. dollar revenue to cover their costs, and their loans were in U.S. dollars. We were fine the whole way because our debt is denominated in Bitcoin, so we are 100% hedged.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

As our production goes, we just turn around and hand over the Bitcoin. So although it looks larger on our balance sheets in terms of the growth, because we do have to mark it to U.S. dollar terms, the actual Bitcoin denominated debt that we have hasn't changed and doesn't really affect us outside of the reporting. And so we are fully hedged, and the only change is really the U.S. dollar valuation difference.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Ah, okay. Thanks for that explanation because it... You know, just looking at it sequentially, it looks like it went up about $8 million, I guess. But you're saying that's... How many Bitcoin is it?

Sim Salzman
CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Sorry to jump in. It's about 303 Bitcoin as of this point, and essentially, Kevin, it went from on 12/31/2023, Bitcoin's price was $42,213, and as of 3/31/2024, because it is spot, it's $70,456. So you're basically taking your outstanding balance of 303 times basically the $70,456 to get to that 22, versus when it was, you know, 323, let's say, at 42,213. So that's the biggest change. It's all just based on where we are. Yep.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Thank you so much, Sim. Appreciate it. Rob, why did you decide to buy stock back, or would you decide to buy back stock as versus invest in more machines? Are you maxed out at Coinmint, or how are you thinking about that cash as you generate it?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

It's not a what situation, what the situation currently is now. It's more of having the right tools in our tool belt. Having an ATM, for example, which is on the other side of this, allows companies to raise capital. I believe good management for the capital structure of our company also should include having a buyback program available, should we see situations where the stock is significantly undervalued, in our view.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

And so it's this is not necessarily a reflection on our current cash structure or the growth ability, and there certainly still is growth ability at our current location. It is really more a matter of having it in place, so that when we do believe there's a situation where it makes sense to buy back, we don't have to start the process from zero.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

It is there, ready to go, and it really does, in my opinion, underscore management's focus on managing capital both ways. We're not just issuing equity. We will buy it back if it's too low, and I think that's what's necessary for good management of the capital structure.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

I don't disagree at all. I don't disagree at all. I'm just curious as, I guess, how you look at the priorities. Understand you want all doors open. Just curious as, you know, why would you choose to use your capital in that fashion?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah, I think that's going to be a decision at the moment where we want to pull that trigger because, yes, our default will always be buy more machines, get bigger, and that will certainly be the case. But there may be a time, and I don't want to guess when, because I think we're gonna have to be at that moment to know for sure.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

But there will be moments where we think the stock price is too low, we have the capital, and we think it just makes more sense for us to buy back then. There is no set rule in place. It is more a matter of having it there and having that discussion with the board and with our advisors as well.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

But the key thing is for us to make sure that it's there, so that we can make that decision and that's on the table, as opposed to never thinking about it at all.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

What sort of operating flexibility do you have with your host partner in view of hash price at sub-$0.05 at this point? Can you throttle down your machines? I mean, obviously, with 21s, you've got great efficiency, but the balance of your fleet, you might wanna optimize should hash price slide lower. Just sort of give us a clue on how much flexibility you have.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

A lot. It's funny. We have weekly scheduled meetings, and whenever we need to, we have more, and I just had a meeting last week specifically on this topic. Very flexible. We can go up and down if we need to. Right now, it's a push in terms of throttling down or keeping it. We are moving forward, just understanding that and maybe taking advantage of that at the right time. But that is certainly something that is available to us and we're constantly monitoring.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

How about the agreement that you have with the host? How does that play into your calculus? Just in terms of rev share, I think most of, most of the people host there end up with sort of a rev share agreement. I'm just kind of curious about how that's calculated in.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah, well, it's a simple math equation at that point, right? It's in our model, so we play around with low power mode versus high power mode or normal, and that's part of the calculus in figuring what the best pathway forward is. So it's not necessarily anything new. It's just really another cost to build into the model.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Okay. I know you were asked already, but maybe you could give us a little more insight on the timeline. I appreciate the lofty target and the aggressive stance.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

But when do you think we might see you pull a trigger on wrestling something to the ground?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

I can't give specific targets, as you can probably appreciate, but let me say this: We are aggressively looking at doing something, and it is not a matter of it not being available. We have actually turned down everything that we've seen so far.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

There has not been a situation where someone said no to us. At most, it's been a delay, but not necessarily a no to us. It's more Gryphon being too picky, let's say. If I wanted to add 2-3 EH/s right now, I could, but I would do so at a situation where I don't think the economics are as good as I think we can get.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

So it's really not a matter of availability or can we. It's a matter of is it good enough based on what we like to, like, to put into the company. So answer to you is, I want to do it yesterday, and we're certainly aggressively looking. At any given time, I think there are four or five active files we've looked at. I'm calling it 12-16 so far. And yeah, we're trying to announce something as soon as possible, and hopefully we will.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Yeah, at a $0.048 hash price, I think time becomes your friend. Can you give us an idea on how you think about geographic positioning? Are you-

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Are you thinking that you want to be U.S.-centric, or Quebec, Alberta, or BC offer opportunities for you?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Yeah, we are open-minded. As long as... And as you know, I'm coming from traditional mining background, so I'm very familiar with going to less than ideal countries, and I don't want to do that.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

So for us, the first thing that we look at anywhere is a good rule of law, a situation where if I deploy my machines there, they're not going to be taken away because the government doesn't like it, or that there's so poor rule of law that someone can come in and steal my machines, and I can't do anything about it. So that crosses a bunch of countries off. But for the remaining ones that pass that, the only, the other things that we're looking at that point are the economics, really.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

It's in terms of do we have low enough costs and generally, that's a go forward. So doesn't have to be U.S.-centric. Obviously, if it's U.S.-centric, it's a little easier because we're based here, but we have been looking all over: Asia, South America, Europe, all over.

Kevin Dede
Kevin Dede
Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright

Very good. Thanks so much for taking my questions, and thanks, and appreciate it.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Anytime. My pleasure. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Carlos Sayelsky from Two Wheel Adventures. Your line is live.

Analyst at Two Wheel Adventures

Yeah. Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my call.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Pleasure. Thank you.

Analyst at Two Wheel Adventures

Hey, I just, I was listening to the interview, and I think I kind of picked up on a little nugget, and I don't know if you guys can maybe expand on it. Are you guys planning or thinking about expanding to Wyoming?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

It's certainly on the table. I love Wyoming as a state, very friendly, and I'm not sure if you're familiar with my uranium background. I sit on the board of a uranium company that has assets in Wyoming, so definitely a fan. And so if there are good opportunities in Wyoming, we would absolutely look at it.

Analyst at Two Wheel Adventures

Right. I'm also a big uranium fan myself. Could you maybe elaborate on it? Do you guys ever plan on going maybe more nuclear, or is that one of the Wyoming targets, or how's that working?

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Well, can't speak specifically on any targets, but nuclear, we certainly view as carbon neutral. And it, it's something kind of personally I would love for us to do, given my having a foot in both boats, where I'm Bitcoin mining and very into the uranium nuclear space as well. So if there is an opportunity in that space, we would absolutely look to that, and we do believe that that is 100% carbon neutral.

Analyst at Two Wheel Adventures

Well, that was it, guys. Thank you so much for taking my call.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

My pleasure. Thank you. Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. There were no other questions in queue at this time. I would now like to hand the call back to Rob Chang for closing remarks.

Rob Chang
CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining

Thank you, and, thanks, everyone, for your participation and insightful questions. We look forward to updating you on our continued progress next quarter. Operator, that concludes today's call. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

Analysts
    • Jon Hickman
      Managing Director, Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann
    • Kevin Dede
      Managing Director and Senior Technology Analyst at H.C. Wainwright
    • Martin Toner
      Managing Director, Institutional Research, Growth and Innovation at ATB Capital Markets
    • Rob Chang
      CEO at Gryphon Digital Mining
    • Sim Salzman
      CFO at Gryphon Digital Mining
    • Analyst at Two Wheel Adventures
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