First Financial Bancorp. Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Adjusted earnings per share of $0.65 drove a 1.4% return on assets and 20.9% return on tangible common equity, reflecting strong profitability in Q2.
  • Loan and deposit balances each grew approximately 11% on an annualized basis, boosting net interest income while maintaining a 4.1% net interest margin at or near the top of peer banks.
  • Record adjusted noninterest income of $61.6 million was led by over 60% growth in foreign exchange revenue, with double-digit increases in leasing, mortgage banking, bank card, and wealth management fee income.
  • Credit metrics showed net charge-offs declining 23 basis points to 15 bps, though classified assets rose to 1.07% of total assets and allowance coverage increased to 1.36% of loans.
  • The Board approved a $0.01 increase in the quarterly dividend to $0.24 per share (a 4.3% rise), underscoring the company’s commitment to shareholder returns.
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Earnings Conference Call
First Financial Bancorp. Q2 2024
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Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Ian, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the First Financial Bancorp second quarter 2024 earnings conference call and webcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad to enter the question queue. Once again, that is star followed by the number one. If you would like to withdraw your question, again, press star one. Thank you. I will now hand the call over to Scott Crawley, Controller. Scott, you may begin your conference.

Scott Crawley
Scott Crawley
Controller and Principal Accounting Officer at First Financial Bancorp

Thank you, Ian. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss First Financial Bancorp's second quarter and year-to-date financial results. Participating on today's call will be Archie Brown, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer; and Bill Harrod, Chief Credit Officer. Both the press release we issued yesterday and the accompanying slide presentation are available on our website at www.bankatfirst.com under the Investor Relations section. We'll make reference to the slides contained in the accompanying presentation during today's call. Additionally, please refer to the forward-looking statement disclosure contained in the second quarter of 2024 earnings release, as well as our SEC filings for a full discussion of the company's risk factors. The information we will provide today is accurate as of June 30th, 2024.

Scott Crawley
Scott Crawley
Controller and Principal Accounting Officer at First Financial Bancorp

We will not be updating any forward-looking statements to reflect facts or circumstances after this call. I'll now turn the call over to Archie Brown.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Thank you, Scott. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's call. Yesterday afternoon, we announced our financial results for the second quarter. I'll provide some highlights on our recent performance and then turn the call over to Jamie to provide further information. We had an outstanding quarter. Adjusted earnings per share was $0.65 in the second quarter, which resulted in a return on assets of 1.4% and a return on tangible common equity of 20.9%. Loan growth was exceptionally strong again this quarter, with balances increasing by 11% on an annualized basis, and this was a significant driver in the increase in net interest income. Growth was broad-based and was led by commercial banking.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Similarly, average deposits grew approximately 11% for the period, with interest-bearing deposits and a seasonal increase in public fund balances driving the increase. Our 4.1% net interest margin was unchanged in the first quarter and remains at or near the top of the peer group. Total adjusted revenue increased $14.4 million, or 7% compared to the linked quarter. Additionally, we posted record adjusted non-interest income of $61.6 million. Growth in fee income was broad-based for the period, with foreign exchange revenue growing more than 60% from the linked quarter. Leasing business income, mortgage banking, and bank card income all increased by double-digit percentages, and wealth management income posted another record quarter. Adjusted expenses increased by 1.2% compared to the first quarter.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

The increase included a full quarter of Agile expenses, the impact of annual salary adjustments that occurred late in the first quarter, and variable compensation tied to our record fee income. Through our workforce efficiency initiative, we have eliminated 90 full-time positions to date, and this work will continue through the remainder of the year. I am pleased with the 23 basis point decline in net charge-offs to 15 basis points, which marks the third consecutive quarter that charge-offs have declined. We did experience some downward credit migration during the period. However, this was not concentrated in any particular loan type, and non-performing loans as a percentage of total assets was relatively flat compared to the prior quarter.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Our ACL increased to 1.36% of total loans, and based on our outlook for loan growth and credit quality, we would expect provision to decline to levels approximately the first quarter in coming periods. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jamie to discuss these results in greater detail. After Jamie's discussion, I will wrap up with some additional forward-looking commentary and closing remarks. Jamie?

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Thank you, Archie, and good morning, everyone. Slides four, five, and six provide a summary of our most recent financial results. The second quarter was really strong, highlighted by exceptional earnings, a flat net interest margin, record fee income, and solid balance sheet growth. Our net interest margin remains very strong at 4.10%. This was unchanged from the linked quarter due to increases in both loan and investment yields, offsetting the pressure on deposit costs. We were pleased that the increase in deposit costs moderated in comparison to prior quarters, and we expect this trend to hold. However, we expect slight margin contraction in the near term. Total loans grew 11% on an annualized basis, which exceeded our expectations. Loan growth was broad-based, with larger increases in C&I, Summit, and Agile.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Average deposit balances increased $350 million or 10.6% on an annualized basis and included a seasonal increase in public funds. Overall, the deposit mix continues to shift to higher cost deposits. However, we maintain 22% of our total balances in non-interest-bearing accounts and are strategically focused on maintaining deposit balances. Turning to the income statement, second quarter fee income was the highest in the company's history. Foreign exchange and leasing had solid quarters, and wealth management had their best revenue quarter ever. Non-interest expenses increased slightly from the linked quarter due to higher variable compensation. However, we are starting to recognize the impact from our efficiency efforts and expect to see further benefits in the coming periods. Our ACL coverage increased seven basis points during the quarter to 1.36% of total loans.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

This resulted in $16.4 million of provision expense during the period, which was driven by loan growth and slight credit migration. Overall, asset quality trends were mixed, with significantly lower net charge-offs and an increase in classified assets. Annualized net charge-offs declined 23 basis points during the period, and NPAs as a percentage of assets were relatively flat at 35 basis points. From a capital standpoint, our regulatory ratios are in excess of both internal and regulatory targets. Tangible book value increased $0.44, or 3.5%, while our tangible common equity ratio was flat during the period. Additionally, our board of directors elected to increase our common dividend during the period. We have always been focused on delivering value to our shareholders, and this step is further proof of that commitment.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Slide 7 reconciles our GAAP earnings to adjusted earnings, highlighting items that we believe are important to understanding our quarterly performance. Adjusted net income was $61.7 million, or $0.65 per share for the quarter. Adjusted earnings exclude the impact of our efficiency initiative, as well as acquisition, severance, and branch consolidation costs. As depicted on Slide 8, these adjusted earnings equate to a return on average assets of 1.4%, a return on average tangible common equity of 21%, and pre-tax pre-provision ROA of 210 basis points. Turning to Slides 9 and 10, net interest margin was unchanged from the linked quarter at 4.1%. Loan yields increased 10 basis points during the period, and the yield on the investment portfolio increased 22 basis points.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

The increase in investment yields was driven by higher reinvestment rates, as well as the full quarter benefit from the portfolio repositioning we executed in the first quarter. Funding costs increased 13 basis points during the period, which was significantly lower than in prior periods. Our cost of deposits increased 14 basis points compared to the linked quarter. However, as you can see on the bottom right chart, that pace of growth declined significantly by the end of the quarter. Slide 11 details the betas utilized in our net interest income modeling. The increase in deposit costs has moved our current beta up 2 percentage points to 45%, which matches our internal modeling. Going forward, we expect deposit cost increases to be a function of mix. Slide 12 outlines our various sources of liquidity and borrowing capacity.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

We continue to believe we have the flexibility required to manage the balance sheet through the expected economic environment. Slide 14 illustrates our current loan mix and balance changes compared to the linked quarter. As I mentioned before, loan balances increased 11% on an annualized basis, with growth in almost every portfolio. As you can see on the right, the largest areas of growth for the quarter were in C&I, Summit, and Agile. We expect Agile's growth to moderate in the coming periods, as historically, the second quarter is the strongest quarter for originations. Slide 15 provides detail on our loan concentration by industry. We believe our loan portfolio remains sufficiently diversified to provide protection from deterioration in any particular industry. Slide 16 provides detail on our office portfolio.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Similar to last quarter, about 4% of our total loan book is concentrated in office space, and the overall portfolio performance metrics remain strong. No office relationships were downgraded to classified during the quarter, and our total non-accrual balance for this portfolio remains approximately $17 million. Slide 17 shows our deposit mix, as well as the progression of average deposits from the linked quarter. In total, average deposit balances increased $350 million during the quarter, driven primarily by a seasonal increase in public funds, as well as increases in retail CDs, money market accounts, and broker deposits. These increases offset modest declines in non-interest-bearing deposits and savings accounts. Similar to recent quarters, this was expected as the current interest rate environment has driven customers to higher cost deposit products.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Slide 18 illustrates trends in our average personal, business, and public fund deposits, as well as a comparison of our borrowing capacity to our uninsured deposits. On the bottom right of the slide, you can see our adjusted uninsured deposits were $3.2 billion. This equates to 23% of our total deposits. We remain comfortable with this concentration and believe our borrowing capacity provides sufficient flexibility to respond to any event that would stress our larger deposit balances. Slide 19 highlights our non-interest income for the quarter. Total fee income increased to $62 million during the quarter, which was the highest quarter in the history of the company. Bannockburn and Summit both had solid quarters, and Wealth Management posted its best revenue quarter ever. Additionally, mortgage, bank card, and deposit service charge income increased from first quarter levels.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Non-interest expense for the quarter is outlined on Slide 20. Core expenses increased a modest $1.4 million during the period. This was driven by an increase in variable compensation tied to fee income, the full quarter impact from Agile, and annual salary adjustments. We have also started to recognize some of the expected benefit from our ongoing efficiency initiative. Turning now to slides 21 and 22. Our ACL model re-resulted in a total allowance, which includes both funded and unfunded reserves of $173 million and $16.4 million in total provision expense during the period. This resulted in an ACL that was 1.36% of total loans, which was a 7 basis point increase from the first quarter. Provision expense was driven by loan growth and credit migration.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Net charge-offs declined 23 basis points to 15 basis points, and our NPAs to total assets held steady at 35 basis points. In other credit trends, classified asset balances increased to 1.07% of total assets, and primarily due to the downgrade of four relationships. These downgrades were not concentrated in any loan or collateral type. Our ACL coverage increased, and we continue to believe we have modeled conservatively to build a reserve that reflects the losses we expect from our portfolio. We anticipate our ACL coverage will remain relatively flat or increase slightly in future periods as our model responds to changes in the macroeconomic environment. Finally, as shown on slides 23, 24, and 25, regulatory capital ratios remain in excess of regulatory minimums and internal targets.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

During the second quarter, tangible book value per share increased 3.5%, and the TCE ratio was flat due to balance sheet growth. Absent the impact from AOCI, the TCE ratio would have been 9.13% compared to 7.23% as reported. Slide 24 demonstrates that our capital ratios would remain in excess of regulatory targets, including the unrealized losses in the securities portfolio. Our total shareholder return remains strong, with 36% of our earnings returned to our shareholders during the period through the common dividend. As I mentioned earlier, we were very pleased that the board elected to increase the common dividend, demonstrating our commitment to provide an attractive return to our shareholders. We will continue to evaluate various capital actions as the year progresses. I'll now turn it back over to Archie for some comments on our outlook. Archie?

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Thank you, Jamie. Before we end our prepared remarks, I want to comment on our forward-looking guidance, which can be found on slide 26. Loan pipelines continue to be healthy, though we expect a modest increase in payoff trends and seasonally low production in our Agile business unit to contribute to overall loan growth in the low single-digits on an annualized basis over the near term. For securities, we expect the portfolio to remain stable. Deposit growth has been steady, and we expect to grow more modestly over the next quarter as seasonal public funds move out. Our net interest margin continues to remain strong and resilient, and we expect it to be between 4% and 4.05% for the next quarter. This assumes a 25 basis point rate cut by the Fed in September.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

We expect our credit costs to decline slightly in the back half of the year, while ACL coverage as a percentage of loans is expected to be stable to slightly increasing. For the full year, we expect net charge-offs to be approximately 25-30 basis points. The income is expected to be between $58 million-$60 million, which includes $13 million-$15 million for foreign exchange and $16 million-$18 million for the leasing business. Non-interest expense is expected to be between $122 million and $124 million and remain stable, excluding the leasing business. Finally, we're pleased to announce that our board of directors approved a $0.01 increase to the common dividend to $0.24.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

The 4.3% dividend increase results in a dividend payout ratio within our target range of 35%-40% of net income and increases our already attractive yield. I'm encouraged with our operating performance through the first half of 2024 and look forward to continued success for the full year. We'll now open up the call for questions.

Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everybody that in order to ask a question, please press star, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Chris McGratty with KBW. Your line is open.

Christopher McGratty
Christopher McGratty
Analyst at KBW

Good morning. Jamie, maybe start with a margin question. Obviously, outperform expectations this quarter. Your slides show a cumulative beta of 45 on the deposit, 70 on the loans. How are you thinking about NIM if the forward curve plays out? I think I know you have a September cut, but I know the market's expecting more next year. How do we think about margin into next year?

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah. So, you know, obviously, we were asset sensitive, benefited from the increase in rates over the past, you know, six, eight quarters. But, so when we look at it and we look at rate cuts, you know, kind of a methodical, you know, 25 basis point rate cuts by the Fed, I mean, the first couple, we think that, we're going to have a, some difficulty reducing deposit costs significantly. I mean, we'll get some relief on some of the more rate-sensitive categories. So, we think that the first, cut or two impacts the margin a little bit more significantly than the ones going forward.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

So, the first couple of 25 basis point rate cuts, we think we get about an 8-9 basis point decline in the margin, and then going forward from that, we're going to get, like, a 5 or 6 basis point decline in the margin, in the subsequent cuts. We just think the first couple of cuts, it's going to be difficult to get the full impact on the deposit side. Also, I mean, I would tell you our strategy at this point is that, just given the fact that we've seen some outsized loan growth, the acquisition of Agile as well over the past two or three quarters, we've been leaning more towards being a little more aggressive on the deposit side and bringing in deposit balances and trying to match off that loan growth with deposit growth, even if it's in some of the higher cost buckets.

Christopher McGratty
Christopher McGratty
Analyst at KBW

That's great. Thanks for that. And, Archie, maybe a question on capital. You've got, you know, really good capital generation. Your CET1 ratio is, you know, pretty solid. How are you thinking about using, potentially using your excess capital and your multiple into 2025?

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah, Chris, primarily, I'd say funding the company's growth internally would be first and foremost. Certainly, we just did the dividend increase, but it's those kind of things. I don't think we see a buyback in the near term, and part of this is we're focused on growing our tangible value, continuing to increase it.

Christopher McGratty
Christopher McGratty
Analyst at KBW

In terms of traditional bank M&A versus a fee income deal, are you seeing. I think there's a deal this morning. Are you seeing more opportunities to grow that way as well?

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah, Chris, on the, let's maybe talk about bank M&A first. Some conversations happening, early stages. I don't see anything in the near term that would come but, you know, I think there's a little bit more interest in discussions just because of where we are in the, in the cycle, and I think especially with the some expectations that rates will start to come down, and, you know, maybe we're approaching a soft landing. On the non-bank side, I don't really think we're pursuing any other acquisitions at this time.

Christopher McGratty
Christopher McGratty
Analyst at KBW

Okay. Finally, could you just remind us your parameters when you look at it? You haven't done one since the MainSource deal, you know, five or six years ago.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Well, I mean, you know, they, they can change over time. I'd certainly tell you, deposit franchises are a lot more important today than they would have been, you know, several years ago. But, we like in-market, we like, we like more density areas, markets, you know, more metro kind of focused areas in our footprint or, I would say adjacent to our footprint.

Christopher McGratty
Christopher McGratty
Analyst at KBW

Great. Thank you.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Yep.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy with Stephens Inc. Your line is opened.

Terry McEvoy
Terry McEvoy
Managing Director at Stephens

Hi. Thanks. Good morning, everybody. Maybe, Jamie Here's a question for you. Hi, just back on the margin, you said kind of sensitivity to deposit mix over the near term. Just wondering what your thoughts are on the non-interest-bearing balances over the course of the year, and maybe any early insight into the third quarter, and whether you fund the loan growth with higher costing deposits.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah. I think, I mean, if you look at the chart and the deck in terms of deposit costs, I mean, we really started to see that the pressure on deposit costs subside significantly in the last couple of months of the quarter. You know, we saw, you know, maybe two or three basis points in those months. So, we're really starting to see both the from a cost perspective and the momentum that we were seeing from a mix shift, both of those subside pretty significantly. So, we think we're, you know, at or near the bottom in terms of non-interest-bearing balances and especially the percentage of non-interest-bearing the total deposits somewhere, you know, in that low.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

We're estimating or projecting that those were going to drop somewhere in the low 20s, and we're at 22% now. So, I think, that we've hit the bottom there or close to it. But going forward, yes, I mean, we are looking to. And you can see in the outlook, our deposits for the back half of the year, our loan growth projections are softened from, you know, from what we were seeing in the first half, which were relatively strong. So, we are looking to fund that growth going forward here, especially over the next two, three quarters, from the deposit side and not the borrowing side. But understanding that some of that might be, you know, the mix of that might be a little bit on the higher cost side and, you know, in CDs and money market accounts.

Terry McEvoy
Terry McEvoy
Managing Director at Stephens

Perfect. Thanks for that, Jamie. And as a follow-up, just the transportation sector keeps coming up this earnings season when discussing credit. Any comments on your transportation C&I portfolio or within Summit, and whether you're seeing any stress there or just taking a step back, any segments within C&I you're monitoring and keeping a close eye on?

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah. We are watching the transportation sector very closely, as most of our most banks are, just with some of the challenges that they've been facing. Heretofore, you know, we haven't had any material issues, and overall, we feel pretty good about the book. But there is some stress, especially in some of the smaller and some of the larger trucking companies out there, but our exposure is manageable.

Terry McEvoy
Terry McEvoy
Managing Director at Stephens

Thanks for taking my questions.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Thanks, Terry.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Thanks, Terry.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo with Raymond James. Your line is opened.

Daniel Tamayo
Daniel Tamayo
Analyst at Raymond James

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I know you talked a little bit about this, and I apologize if this question's been asked. I jumped on late, but the loan growth guidance down, you know, I heard you mention seasonally strong agile in the second quarter, so I get that part. But anything else that's driving that? I mean, is it more of a normalization? Just curious, kind of, I guess, on the commercial side, you know, how pipelines look and how we should think about, you know, loan growth over the next several quarters. I know it's not the official guidance, but kind of if you take a step back and think about what opportunities for you might be over, you know, over the next several quarters, that'd be helpful.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah, Danny, this is Archie. Yeah, we've had a couple of really strong quarters in loan growth, and it's been a combination of some, you know, decent production, but also, much lower-than-normal payoff activity, especially in our commercial real estate portfolio. So, that's buoyed at some. As we look forward, pipelines, I would say, softened some in the mid part of the second quarter. They seem to be strengthening back now, but that, you know, that'll create a little bit of building that back, back into production in the back half. So, that's a piece. We mentioned Agile. Well, their big part of the year is early to mid-part, so that'll flatten out for most of the back half of the year. And we are anticipating more payoffs.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Commercial real estate, we're starting to see some late in the quarter. We'll see more Q3, our Oak Street unit. We've got a few large payoffs that we're expecting to come in the back half of the year. So, that payoff activity is just a little bit stronger, combined with Agile. And I would say on the CRE side, still, that production is a little bit lower than it has typically been. And you can imagine just, you know, the market with rates where they are, the market's a little softer, and we're probably a little bit more selective there in the current environment.

Daniel Tamayo
Daniel Tamayo
Analyst at Raymond James

Okay. Thanks, Archie. And then maybe on the expense side, you guys have done a really good job of managing expenses despite this good revenue growth and balance sheet growth. I'm just curious where you've been able to, you know, pull out the FTEs or identify cost savings opportunities in this environment. And you know, just as you've been going through that, just curious how that's been going, if you've had any issues or identified any kind of areas that you need to invest as you think about continued growth over, you know, the next years.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Yeah, Danny, we've talked a little bit about this in both quarters, so it's a maybe good question for us to talk a little bit more about it. First, we, you know, we view this, good expense control and management as part of what we need to do, always be doing. But if you think about what's happened in recent years, the industry, but certainly us, have invested heavily in great technologies and tools, and we believe, have created a significant amount of capacity in the system. So, we embarked, we did some, late last year, some, I guess I'd call them beta testing in, in an area or two, to really do kind of, we call it, almost like desk-to-desk review of, all our production areas and support areas.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

We started in a group or two, kind of a proof of concept on what we were trying to do, and we identified excess capacity that we could take out of the system, and now we're going through a methodical review throughout the whole company. It's more been in the support areas at this point, but before we're done, which we hope will be through this work by the end of the year, we'll have touched all or most of the company. To date, we're about 35%-40% through the work, and I'm not sure that the same numbers will hold up through the rest of the process because we'll get into some areas that we think don't have as much capacity.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

But we're going to keep, you know, doing that work, and each quarter, as we go through it, we'll update, you know, certainly all of you and all of the other stakeholders on the progress that we're making.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

And, Danny, just to jump in as well to Jamie, I mean, what that has also allowed us to do is, you know, we were able to essentially absorb the expenses with Agile through that, and the expense base didn't go up a lot, and also, use those savings to invest in other areas that will help us grow in the future. So, The office in Cleveland. To Jamie's point, we have opened a couple offices, commercial banking offices, added a few other salespeople in our wealth group, and still been able to keep a lid on the expenses.

Daniel Tamayo
Daniel Tamayo
Analyst at Raymond James

Yep. No, it's certainly showing through, so I appreciate all that color. Thanks.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Thanks, Danny.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star, follow the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Arfstrom with RBC. Your line is opened.

Jon Arfstrom
Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Good morning, guys.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Hey, Jon.

Jon Arfstrom
Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

On Chris McGratty's question about the margin coming down or rates coming down, can you talk about how you expect the fee businesses to perform? If short rates come down, do you think that'll have any kind of an impact on maybe some improvement there?

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

John, yeah, I, maybe slightly. You know, we think, you know, Bannockburn has shown in multiple, rate environments at this point that they can generate, you know, income with their clients. So, we think they'll continue to perform, effectively. Leasing volumes are strong. We'll continue to see the leasing income side grow, I think, in even, you know, a different rate environment, maybe, even more. And then on the mortgage side, it's really going to depend on probably what happens more in the ten-year part of the curve, but we would expect a little bit of an increase maybe on the mortgage side. You know, if the markets hold up, wealth is going to continue.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

We've put a lot of investment in our wealth group, and we think they're going to continue to just incrementally make improvements as we go forward. So, those are the big areas.

Jon Arfstrom
Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Yep. Okay. You touched on leasing. It's obviously been very strong. It feels like it's a little bit different than the commercial outlook. Can you just talk a little bit about the pipelines in leasing and what you're seeing there? Is it market activity or market share, or what is it?

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Well, you know, they're on a more of a national platform, and they've got salespeople throughout the country and other connections, you know, how they do business. So, we do get a lens into maybe things more broadly, and, you know, things are pretty healthy, especially in, I would say, larger companies, and they tend to do a lot of business with larger companies. So, pipelines are good. If anything, we're probably restraining the ability to originate there a little bit in the environment where we're focused more on funding. We do also, if you just look back last year, we've had a couple of year-ends now with them. They will see their strongest amount of origination activity occurs in the back part of the year, especially in that fourth quarter.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

So, that will pick up. I think we said, low single-digit growth in the near term. Not sure what fourth quarter looks like, but they'll certainly have a strong fourth quarter.

Jon Arfstrom
Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Okay, good. That helps. And then, Bill, can you just talk a little bit more about the downgrades and we probably know what the themes are, but any themes, and then should we expect the classified increases to continue for the next few quarters? Thanks.

William Harrod
William Harrod
Chief Credit Officer at First Financial Bancorp

Yep. So, the downward credit migration in the classified bucket was driven by two multifamily and two C&I credits. The first multifamily deal is currently under an LOI. The other has experienced conversion and stabilization delays. The two C&I credits are both longtime customers, 20-plus years, that are just navigating through some shifts in the respective markets. And, you know, we think there's reasonable solutions for all of them. And as we look out, we do expect our classified size to remain stable. Looking at our special mentions for the quarter, they were down a little flat, and so that kind of, you know, that's kind of what we're looking at this point. You know, kind of stable.

Jon Arfstrom
Jon Arfstrom
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Yep. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

James Anderson
CFO at First Financial Bancorp

Thanks, John.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

Thanks, John.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Archie Brown for some closing remarks.

Archie Brown
Archie Brown
President and CEO at First Financial Bancorp

I want to thank everybody for joining today and hearing our story for the quarter. We look forward to talking with you again next quarter. Have a great Friday, a great weekend. Bye now.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.

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Analysts
    • Christopher McGratty
      Analyst at KBW
    • Daniel Tamayo
      Analyst at Raymond James
    • James Anderson
      CFO at First Financial Bancorp
    • Jon Arfstrom
      Analyst at RBC Capital Markets
    • Scott Crawley
      Controller and Principal Accounting Officer at First Financial Bancorp
    • Terry McEvoy
      Managing Director at Stephens
    • William Harrod
      Chief Credit Officer at First Financial Bancorp
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