Gladstone Investment Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Gladstone reported adjusted NII of $0.24 per share and net investment income of $12.4 million in Q1, with total investment income of $22.2 million.
  • The NAV fell to $13.01 from $13.43, driven by $18.9 million of unrealized depreciation and $0.24 per share of distributions.
  • Four portfolio companies, representing 7.8% of debt fair value, remain on non-accrual, though two are profitable and expected to resume accrual within a year, with no broader credit issues.
  • Liquidity remains strong with $113 million available on a $200 million credit facility, an ATM authorization for 75 million common shares, and a 216% asset coverage ratio.
  • An active M&A pipeline of about 15 opportunities is in diligence, and GAIN aims to close 3-5 new transactions annually despite competitive valuation pressures.
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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Gladstone Investment Corporation first quarter earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, David Gladstone, Chairman of Gladstone Investment Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Gladstone. You may begin.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Well, thank you. Good morning. This is David Gladstone, Chairman of Gladstone Investment. This is the first quarter for our fiscal year ending June 30, 2024, earnings conference call for shareholders and analysts of Gladstone Investment, listed on Nasdaq under the trading symbol GAIN for the common stock, and GAIN N and GAIN Z and GAIN L for the three different registered notes that we have outstanding. Thank you all for calling in. We're always happy to provide an update for our shareholders and analysts and provide our view of the current business environment. Two goals of this call is to help you understand what happened to your company and give you our current view of the future. Now we'll hear from our General Counsel, Michael LiCalsi, who's gonna talk about forward-looking statements.

Michael LiCalsi
Michael LiCalsi
General Counsel at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Thanks, David. Good morning, everybody. Today's call may include forward-looking statements in the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, including those regarding our future performance. These forward-looking statements involve certain risks and uncertainties and other factors, even though they're based on our current plans, which we believe to be reasonable. Now, many factors may cause our actual results to be materially different from any future results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements, including all the risk factors. You can find them in our Forms 10-Q and 10-K and other documents that we file with the SEC, and they can be found on the Investors page of our website, www.gladstoneinvestment.com, or on the SEC's website, which is www.sec.gov.

Michael LiCalsi
Michael LiCalsi
General Counsel at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Now, we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Please also note that past performance or market information is no guarantee of any future results. We ask that you visit our website. Once again, it's gladstoneinvestment.com. Sign up for our email notification service. You can also find us on Twitter, which is @GladstoneComps, or on Facebook. Keyword there is The Gladstone Companies. Today's call is an overview of our results through June 30, 2024. Please review our press release and Form 10-Q, both issued yesterday, for more detailed information. Thank you all. With that, I'll turn it over to Gladstone Investment's president, Dave Dullum. Dave?

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Hey, Mike. Thank you very much. Everyone, welcome. We are pleased to report again that the GAIN team produced very good results for the first quarter for fiscal year 2025, which ended March 2024... 2025, sorry, following on the previous solid fourth quarter and annual results for fiscal 2024. We ended the first quarter of fiscal year 2025 on June 30, 2024, with adjusted NII of $0.24 per share and total assets of $914 million. This quarter was very active, both from working on significant number of new investment opportunities, while managing some of the various activities within our 23 existing portfolio companies.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Now, while we made no new acquisitions in the quarter, subsequent to the quarter end, we invested $18.5 million in the form of secured first lien debt to fund an add-on acquisition of one of our existing portfolio companies, where we actually have a significant equity position. So this follows some of the other important add-on activities at a few of our portfolio companies over the past year. Now, as I've mentioned on prior calls, these add-on opportunities allows us to increase our total investment, build value in the companies where we know the management team and where we have a strong belief in its future and enhancing the opportunity for future equity gains.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Now, this activity is not a substitute for making new acquisitions and is a component of our investing strategy, as it allows us to continue building our assets and income, certainly in times when valuations through new acquisitions is a challenge. Now, the stability of our operating model allowed us to maintain our monthly distribution to shareholders at $0.08 per share or $0.96 per share on an annual basis. Recall that we paid $1.24 of supplemental distributions in fiscal 2024, and while we've not paid any during this quarter we're reporting on, our history of supplemental distributions demonstrates the success of the buyout strategy and is our intent to continue rewarding our shareholders with meaningful supplemental distributions from the realized capital gains on exits.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

As our portfolio, of course, goes through maturity cycles and equity values will increase, we will continue to constructively harvest these gains for the benefits of shareholders. Now, since exits generally involve a paydown of our debt, we strive to balance the timing of these exits without sacrificing the level of debt assets that produce the income to support the monthly dividends and their growth. Our balance sheet continued to be strong, with low leverage and good availability on our credit facility. Now, we currently have four companies on non-accrual, two of which we just put on non-accrual, which represent about 7.8% of the fair value of the debt investments in our portfolio. I really want to stress that this is not indicative of any portfolio-wide concerns. Two of these companies combined to represent approximately $32 million of the total amount of the debt....

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Both of these are now profitable. We anticipate returning these to accrual status sometime within the next year. We also have meaningful equity holdings in those two companies. So again, this will happen from time to time, but we work with these companies to get them back where they need to be. And again, I do wanna stress that our portfolio is functioning at a very high level, and I'm not concerned about having these two companies just recently going on non-accrual status. So as far as the outlook is concerned, as I mentioned in the beginning, we are seeing an increase in opportunities for new acquisitions. There seems to be growing momentum and new deals coming to the market, especially as the past few quarters have been relatively quiet.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

There is significant liquidity in the M&A market, and there's a very competitive environment with upward pressure on valuations. This means we will aggressively compete for new acquisitions that we believe fit our model of providing debt and equity, while maintaining our principles of being a value investor and generating income on a current basis with upside through capital appreciation. We currently are actively working on a number of new buyouts in various due diligent phases. So in summing up the quarter and looking forward, we believe the state of our portfolio is very good. We have a strong and liquid balance sheet, a positive level of buyout activity, and the prospect of continuing very good earnings and distributions over the next year. For more detail, I'm gonna now turn it over to our CFO, Rachael Easton. Rachel?

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Looking at our operating performance in the first quarter of fiscal year 2025, we generated total investment income of $22.2 million, down slightly from $23.6 million in the prior quarter. This was due to decreased interest income as a result of two portfolio companies going on non-accrual status and lower success fee income, which can be variable in timing, due to amounts that did not occur to the same magnitude in the current quarter. Net expenses for the quarter were $9.8 million, down from $18.3 million in the prior quarter. This decrease was primarily due to a $9.4 million aggregate decrease in Accrued Capital Gains-Based Incentive Fees, which is due to the net impact of realized and unrealized gains and losses as required under US GAAP and income-based incentive fees.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

This resulted in a net investment income for the quarter of $12.4 million, up from $5.3 million in the prior quarter. Adjusted net investment income, which is net investment income, exclusive of any accrued capital gains-based incentive fees for the quarter, was $8.6 million or $0.24 per share, down slightly, but remaining consistent on a per share basis from $8.8 million or $0.24 per share in the prior quarter. We continue to believe that adjusted net investment income is a useful and representative indicator of our ongoing operations. As Dave mentioned, during the quarter ended June 30, 2024, we had certain loans to two portfolio companies placed on non-accrual status, bringing the total to four companies on non-accrual.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

We believe the stress at these two new companies will be short-term, and we'll continue working closely with them to get back on accrual status when possible. In one case, the company is a smaller legacy debt investment where we have no equity, and we are looking to ultimately have our debt repaid at some time in the future. For the second company, the industry is cycling down a bit right now, and while there is some stress, we do see near-term relief with increasing industry rebound. We anticipate bringing this company back on accrual in the near term. Overall, there are no portfolio-wide credit concerns. These are two specific instances where companies are unable to currently service their debt, and it is not indicative of any portfolio-wide trends. Additionally, we are seeing continuing improvement at one of the companies that has been on non-accrual for some time.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

They are back to generating a profit, and we continue to work closely with them. Valuations in the aggregate were down $18.9 million. This was driven by lower valuation multiples across the portfolio and decreased performance at a number of our portfolio companies. This was partially offset by increased performance at several other portfolio companies. Our NAV decreased to $13.01 per share, compared to $13.43 per share at the end of the prior quarter. The decrease was primarily driven by $0.52 per share of net unrealized appreciation on investments and $0.24 per share of distributions paid to common shareholders. This was partially offset by $0.34 per share of net investment income. We believe that maintaining liquidity and flexibility to support and grow our portfolio are key elements of our success.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

With our 3 public note issuances, we have long-term fixed rate capital in place, and as of yesterday's release, we had over $113 million available on our $200 million credit facility. Additionally, we entered into a new ATM program during the quarter, in which we have the ability to sell up to 75 million shares of our common stock, and we anticipate continuing to be active in that ATM. Overall, our leverage remains relatively low, with an asset coverage ratio at June 30, 2024 of 216%, providing plenty of cushion to the required 150% coverage. Consistent with prior quarters, distributable book earnings to shareholders remain strong.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

We started the fiscal year with $20 million, or $0.55 per share in spillover, and our monthly distribution remains consistent at $0.08 per share, for an annual run rate of $0.96 per share. Additionally, we will look to continue funding future supplemental distributions as we recognize realized capital gains on the equity portion of future exits. Using the monthly distribution run rate of $0.96 per share per year, our aggregate estimated fiscal year distributions would yield about 7.3%, using yesterday's closing price of $13.19. This covers my part of today's call. Back to you, David.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Oh, thank you, Rachael. Very nice, report. And Dave and Michael, good information to our shareholders. This call and the 10-Q that we filed with the SEC yesterday should bring everybody up to date at your company. The team has reported solid results for the quarter ending June 30, 2024, and we believe the team will be in a great position to continue these successes through the remainder of the fiscal year and hope on into the future. We believe Gladstone Investment is an attractive investment for investors seeking continuous monthly distributions and supplemental distributions from potential capital gains and other fees and other income. The team hopes to continue to show you a strong return on your investment. Well, now let's stop with the report and see if we have some questions from analysts or stockholders that they'd like us to respond to.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please. We'll pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Mickey Flynn with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed with your question.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

Yes. Good morning, everyone. Dave, when we, when we look at the forward interest rate curve and consider that all your debt investments are at floating rates and most of your debt liabilities are at fixed rates, there's a scenario where NII per share could decline below your distribution, assuming no changes in the size of the portfolio or its credit quality. So, GAIN has a great track record of not cutting the dividend, and I'd like to understand what levers you can pull to avoid that scenario. Would the board be comfortable with NII running below the dividend for a while?

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yeah, Mickey, thanks for the question. Yeah, I would not... I'm not sure I can answer it, really the way you're asking. What I'll tell you is this: right now, as we look forward, and of course, we do our projections and try to understand where our portfolio is, we don't see, frankly, a decline in that, in that spread where we would be looking to cut our dividend. And, as you point out, this is not something that we consider doing. We also remember supplement our kind, call it the spread income with other income that we generate during our, you know, during any one period of our portfolio.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

As a result of that, we would expect that we will continue to have total NII available for distribution above what our, you know, run rate dividend is. Rachael, would you like to add to that?

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yeah, absolutely. Good morning, Mickey. You know, as you said, as rates come down, we will, you know, see yields begin to compress. But you did say most of our debt is fixed rate, but we also do have variable debt on our line of credit, so we will also see those borrowing costs come down a bit. You know, we obviously look to maintain the same level of performance across both high and low interest rate environments. And so even with those narrowing, you know, the potential for narrowing spreads, you know, there's no real concern given the way we structure our deals. Our debt portfolio has floors generally in the 11.5%-12% range, and, you know, we look at that as protection in a lower interest rate environment.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yeah, which is how we've always managed it, actually, which is why we've been able to, you know, keep, you know, not like a typical lender, if you will. We've been able to manage that. Plus, we again, harvest, you know, dividends when we can from, from the equities on our portfolio, as well. And so again, would not anticipate, you know, the scenario that you suggested.

David Gladstone
David Gladstone
Chairman at Gladstone Investment Corporation

And Mickey-

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

Rachael, could you just- Yes, I'm sorry.

David Gladstone
David Gladstone
Chairman at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Right. Just so you know, Mickey, we have run many of our companies. As you know, we have four of them that are dividend-oriented. We've run any number of them over the time in which earnings were lower for several quarters, and we continued paying a dividend, so I don't anticipate that slowing down this company.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

Yeah, I appreciate that. Rachael, could you repeat what the average SOFR floors are on your debt investments?

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

In the aggregate there, it's between 11.5% to 12%.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

Okay. Give me a sec. That's the total then. Dave, in terms of the pipeline for new acquisitions, could you give us an idea, perhaps, of how many term sheets you've got out there and the likelihood that you expect some of those to close, you know, over the next year?

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yeah. I wish I could give you that specific number. Recognize that at any point in time, and with our deal team, we are working on probably, you know, 15, 16 plus companies. And, you know, we have, you know, the processes, you know, that we go through is, you know, we see an initial investment, we do a fair amount of work on it. We prepare what we call an indication of interest, which goes to the, you know, presumably to the investment banker that brought us the deal.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

And then assuming we get, you know, you know, accepted at that level, that then involves spending time then with the management teams of the companies, getting better knowledge, doing some more due diligence on the side, and then assuming we like what we're seeing, we go ahead and put in what we call a letter of intent, which is approved by our investment committee. And if that is, you know, if that gets accepted by the seller, then of course, we move through the final process. So it's a lot of moving parts, if you will. So I'm not in a position to really give you a specific number, to be perfectly honest with you.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

It's just that, you know, it's a constant, constant process and, and you know, the way I think of it is, you know, we'd like to be able to, you know, maybe close 3 to 4 or 5 new deals, in a 12-month period. I mean, that's kind of our goal. And, you know, the size might vary. And then remembering, too, that we have this whole, add-on acquisition. So again, we have, we have our goals, we set in mind how much we think we are able to put out in a year, and we strive to do that. So it's a constant, constant activity, between the IOIs and the LOIs, and then ultimately getting the deals done.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

As you know, once we get approval to move forward, you know, it can be a two-month timeframe to do due diligence, get the deal done. So there are a lot of moving parts, but consistent with how we've operated in the past, maybe that's more important, is kind of what our look forward would be in terms of new deals. And as I say, you know, if we, if we could close 3 to 5 new deals in a year, that probably would be really good performance. Very supportive, by the way, of the results that we've generated in the past.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

Yeah, I appreciate that. Rachel made several comments about credit quality, but it was pretty quick, so I wanna back up and ask a couple of questions about that. You marked down Nth Degree, Mason West, and Horizon Facilities. I think that was most of the decline this quarter. You know, is there some trend there or, you know, can you give us some insight as to what happened with those companies?

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Well, I think, without going into a lot of the detail, Nth Degree, you picked that as an example. Now, that's a company that has a very significant EBITDA level, and I think there we had a slight downtick in the multiple. And you gotta keep in mind, in any of these companies, right, if you have even, you know, almost a half a turn on an EBITDA company doing, let's say, $20 million-$60+ million EBITDA, which in some cases that's true, that's a fairly significant dollar movement. So I think what you're seeing is that more than anything else. I will say to you that all of those companies that you mentioned, Nth Degree, of course, is an exceptional business, generating very, very significant EBITDA. Mason West is a very solid business.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Horizon is a good, very good business. They're the one that provides labor to the rental car business, and there has been some softness in that market. No surprise there. Having said that, they are still very profitable, doing very well. And so again, I think you've gotta be careful when we look at some of these changes, when you do have both a multiple coming down, which we of course don't control, and likewise, a small downtick even in EBITDA, that it can relate to a or translate into a, you know, meaningful dollar decline in the actual value of the asset. Does that make sense?

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

I understand. Yeah, I understand. And in terms of Diligent Delivery, which is a new non-accrual,

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Mm-hmm.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

That investment is still marked at par. I think Rachael may have alluded to that as something you expect to put back on accrual soon. Am I correct, or did I misinterpret those remarks?

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yeah, that one, that is, I think as was alluded to, is where we only have that small debt investment, if you will. It's a legacy. It has been, frankly, paying its interest really good. It's been going through a process, potentially of an exit of some sort. You know, they've been working on it over a number of years, and so on. So what we anticipate, I think what she was alluding to, and Rachael can correct me here, is that that's one that we would hope and anticipate maybe we actually get the debt paid off, and we're done with it sometime in the next, you know, the next period. So yeah, that's where that one comes in.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

That's not one that we have any equity in, and you know, frankly, it's just kind of hate to say it, but sort of a tag end of an investment we had from before.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

And the issues on B+T are just a down cycle and spend by telecom, or is that something else? Is there something else there?

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

No, I think. No, it's pretty much spend by telecom. They're actually seeing an uptick in that business right now, as a matter of fact. And again, you know, I'd say B+T, Hobbs, that has been on non-accrual for a while. I think I alluded to, again, both companies are profitable. Where we obviously, as you know, work with these companies to get them back in a position where at some point we're either gonna clearly get them back on accrual and/or work to exit those businesses. But right now, I'd say they're both, you know, headed in the right direction, and we're just working through what we have to work through with them. But yes, there was. You know, it's not even as much, a little bit of a downturn.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Some of their customers that they have to work with, people like Verizon, AT&T, what have you, it can be a very challenging customer to some degree, and the team has really there at B+T done a really good job. And I feel like we're, you know, again, in the right direction with those guys. And this was kind of a temporary - and actually, we have a revolving line of credit piece there, that is, did not go on non-accrual, actually. So-

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

I saw that.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Total investment. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

And my last question, I do appreciate your patience. There was an increase in GNA quarter-over-quarter that was pretty meaningful. Rachael, is there any insight you can give us on that, and what's the outlook for GNA?

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yes. So that, that will be a one-time hit. There was bad debt expense related to the write-off of prior period income related to B+T and Diligent.

Mickey Schleien
Mickey Schleien
Analyst at Ladenburg

Okay. Those are all my questions this morning. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Thanks, Mickey.

David Gladstone
David Gladstone
Chairman at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Okay, thank you very much. Do we have anybody else that wants to ask us a question? We would like more questions.

Operator

... Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of Bryce Rowe with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Bryce Rowe
Bryce Rowe
Senior Equity Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities

Thanks a lot. Good morning. I think Mickey handled most of my questions as well. Rachael, I did wanna ask about, you know, the fee income. I guess it was either other or Success Fee income here in the quarter. Can you give us a sense for the source of that, given the lack of activity in the quarter?

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Sure. So, you know, as we've talked about, I think in the past, that other income line item is a little bit variable, period-over-period, and can be challenging to compare. It's, you know, generally made up of dividends on our preferred investments or success fee income from our portfolio companies. That success fee income, as you said, is, you know, generally due upon a change in control or an exit. So oftentimes, some of our portfolio companies, for various reasons, do choose to prepay. So that was the case this quarter. We had one of our portfolio companies choose to prepay about $1.6 million of their outstanding success fees.

Bryce Rowe
Bryce Rowe
Senior Equity Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities

Okay. Okay.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Which is a good thing.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yeah.

Bryce Rowe
Bryce Rowe
Senior Equity Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities

Yeah. Understood. And then in terms of non-accruals, and I guess it relates to that comment about the bad debt expense and other G&A expense, what was the timing of those companies being put on non-accrual? I'm just trying to understand if the yield for the quarter or the interest income for the quarter, you know, had some level of interest income from those newly non-accrual investments.

Rachael Easton
Rachael Easton
CFO at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Yes, so both companies were placed on non-accrual as of April first, so as of the beginning of the quarter. So that yield excludes any income related to B+T or Diligent. So we essentially did not recognize about $750,000 of income we otherwise would have this quarter.

Bryce Rowe
Bryce Rowe
Senior Equity Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities

Okay. And then maybe you know, maybe one more for you, Dave. In terms of... and I think you've talked quite a bit in the last, I don't know, 12-18 months about, you know, the competitive conditions, and you know, Mickey did ask about number of term sheets that are out there right now. Just kind of curious if there's been any change in competitive conditions, whether, you know, whether more competitive or less.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Mm-hmm. I'd say it's probably about the same. That one, I call a change, as trying to suggest, is that, you know, you look back over the last quarter or so before this quarter, let's say, the deal flow was okay, and the deals that we were seeing, and this affects everybody, obviously, we compete with some of those companies, as you might well know from, you know, your firm's investment banking side as well. Some deals that were being sold back - they backed off of them, they pulled them, what have you. So we went through what I'd call a period of slowdown, so to speak, in terms of quality deals. We're seeing that pick up for sure. So we're seeing deals come back on the market that might have been pulled, that are now coming back.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

However, the appetite, you know, from the buy side is pretty high, and people are really striving to get, you know, get money out. So as a result of that, yes, it's more—it's as competitive because of the amount of money that's available, and I'd say, though, the deal flow, which is the other side of that equation, has picked up. So that's giving us a little more opportunity to see, frankly, more deals that are legitimate, that fit our profile, that we can compete on. But again, it still is challenging because, you know, multiples are relatively high, you know, for the deal. So I'd say about the same, but the deal flow is higher and better, which is a good thing.

Bryce Rowe
Bryce Rowe
Senior Equity Research Analyst at B. Riley Securities

Okay. Okay. I think, I think that's it for me. I appreciate the time.

Dave Dullum
Dave Dullum
President at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Okay. Do we have any more questions?

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Gladstone for closing remarks.

David Gladstone
David Gladstone
Chairman at Gladstone Investment Corporation

Oh, shucks! I'm sorry we don't have more questions. We really enjoy the questions that you give us, but I understand we've given you a lot of answers, and take some time to digest that. We appreciate you all being our shareholders, and we'll see you again next quarter. That's the end of this call.

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.

Executives
    • Dave Dullum
      Dave Dullum
      President
    • David Gladstone
      David Gladstone
      Chairman
    • Michael LiCalsi
      Michael LiCalsi
      General Counsel
    • Rachael Easton
      Rachael Easton
      CFO
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