NASDAQ:HLNE Hamilton Lane Q1 2025 Earnings Report $90.32 0.00 (0.00%) Closing price 05/22/2026 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$89.17 -1.15 (-1.27%) As of 05/22/2026 04:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Hamilton Lane EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.51Consensus EPS $1.10Beat/MissBeat by +$0.41One Year Ago EPS$0.94Hamilton Lane Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$196.73 millionExpected Revenue$149.84 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$46.89 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AHamilton Lane Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date8/6/2024TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateTuesday, August 6, 2024Conference Call Time11:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsHamilton Lane's Q1 2027 earnings is estimated for Tuesday, August 4, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 11:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Hamilton Lane Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 6, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Management and advisory fee revenue grew 33% year‐over‐year, resulting in GAAP EPS of $1.47, non‐GAAP EPS of $1.51, and a quarterly dividend of $0.49 per share, on track for a 10% increase in fiscal 2025. Total asset footprint reached $940 billion (+15% YoY), with AUM at $130 billion (+11%), AUA at $110 billion (+16%), and fee‐earning AUM of $67.7 billion (+13%) driven by specialized funds and separate accounts. Specialized fund momentum continues, highlighted by Secondary Fund VI’s final close at $5.6 billion (40% larger than its predecessor), first closes of $523 million for Equity Opportunities Fund VI and $150 million for Strategic Opportunities Fund IX, plus $7.5 billion in evergreen AUM averaging $330 million of monthly inflows. Technology Solutions, anchored by the proprietary Cobalt platform, now serves over 200 clients with $28 million in annual contract value, and the integration of Daphne Technologies enables straight‐through data automation for private markets analytics. The unrealized carry balance rose to $1.2 billion (+12% YoY) despite $139 million recognized over 12 months, while incentive fees surged 189% to $56.8 million, and the firm maintains modest leverage by investing its balance sheet capital alongside clients. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallHamilton Lane Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Hamilton Lane First Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines on a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, August 6, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Oh, Head of Shareholder Relations. Please go ahead. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:00:33Thank you, Julie. Good morning, and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Q1 fiscal 2025 earnings call. Today, I will be joined by Erik Hirsch, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Armbruster, Chief Financial Officer, and Griff Norville, Head of Technology Solutions. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and slide presentation, which are available on our website. Before we discuss the quarter's results, we want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements discuss our current expectations and projections relating to our financial position, results of operations, plans, objectives, future performance, and business. These forward-looking statements do not guarantee future events or performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:01:22For a discussion of these risks, please review the cautionary statements and risk factors included in the Hamilton Lane fiscal 2024 10-K, and subsequent reports we file with the SEC. These forward-looking statements are made only as of today, and except as required, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of them. We will also be referring to non-GAAP measures that we view as important in assessing the performance of our business. Reconciliation of those non-GAAP measures to GAAP can be found in the earnings presentation materials made available on the shareholder section of the Hamilton Lane website. Our detailed financial results will be made available when our 10-Q is filed. Please note that nothing on this call represents an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase interest in any of Hamilton Lane's products. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:02:10First, as a reminder for those who may have missed it, we held our second HLNE Shareholder Day on June 5th, where several Hamilton Lane leaders walked through business channels and growth drivers. We charted our progress since our IPO in March 2017, and discussed what we continue to see as a large and growing market in front of us. We were proud to show our strong results and our continued leadership in private markets through the depth and breadth of our offering. For those who have not had a chance to watch the presentation, a replay recording, along with the accompanying slides, can be found on the shareholder section of our website. Thank you to all those who joined us in person at our headquarters for the live presentation. Let's move now to some financial highlights. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:02:53For this first quarter of fiscal 2025, our management and advisory fee revenue grew by 33%, while our fee-related earnings also grew by 33% versus the prior year period. This translated into GAAP EPS of $1.47, based on $59 million of GAAP net income and non-GAAP EPS of $1.51, based on $81 million of adjusted net income. We have also declared a dividend of $0.49 per share this quarter. This keeps us on track for the targeted full fiscal 2025 dividend of $1.96 per share, which represents a 10% increase from the prior, prior fiscal year. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Erik. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:03:34Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. We continue to experience strong momentum and have recorded another outstanding quarter. None of this happens by accident, particularly not in this market, and Juan and I are proud of the team here and their unwavering focus on delivering excellence to our customers. That focus is what results in our ability to expand our brand and continue to grow. Let's move now to our total asset footprint. This stood at $940 billion and represents a 15% increase to our footprint year-over-year. AUM stood at $130 billion at quarter end and grew $13 billion or 11%. The growth came from both our specialized funds and our customized separate accounts. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:04:17AUA was up $110 billion or 16% year-over-year, primarily the result of market value growth and the addition of technology solutions and back-office mandates. Turning now to fee earning AUM. We continue to generate very strong growth across our specialized fund platform and more modest growth across our separate accounts. It is worth emphasizing that increasingly we are seeing separate account mandates include meaningful allocation to our specialized funds, and that AUM would get captured under specialized funds, not separate accounts. This is a good thing. Our total fee earning AUM stood at $67.7 billion and grew $8 billion or 13% relative to the prior year period. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:05:04Taken separately, $2.4 billion of net fee earning AUM came from our customized separate accounts, and over the same time period, $5.7 billion came from our specialized funds. As we detailed on our shareholder day, our blended fee rate across the platform has been steadily increasing year-over-year. This stems from the continuing shift in the mix of our fee-earning AUM towards higher fee rate specialized funds, most notably our Evergreen products, where growth remains impressive. When we went public in 2017, our blended fee rate was 57 basis points. Today, it stands at 61 basis points, excluding the impact from retro fees. Moving now to additional detail on our customized separate accounts. We continue here to see growth coming from clients across type, mandate, size, and geographic location. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:05:58As we highlighted on our last call, our separate account business continues to grow through finding new clients, some of which have already invested in private markets, and for others, this is their first foray. The bulk of our flows continue to be driven by our existing clients who re-up with us as they look to maintain and grow their exposure to the asset class. This trend has remained steady since our IPO and remains the case through this fiscal quarter, where the balance of customized separate account net fee-earning AUM stood at $38.2 billion and grew by $2.4 billion, or 7%, over the last 12 months. Let's move now to our specialized funds, where momentum continues to be strong. Fee-earning AUM here stood at $29.5 billion at quarter end. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:06:46Over the past 12 months, we achieved positive net inflows of $5.7 billion, representing an increase of 24% relative to the prior year period. This growth stemmed from additional closes for funds currently in market, robust investment activity, and continued expansion of our Evergreen platform. Now moving to the drivers of specialized fund flows. Let's start with our latest secondary fund. On June 18th, we announced the final close for our sixth secondary fund, with $5.6 billion in total commitments. This fund marks our largest ever institutional fundraiser and represents an over 40% increase in size relative to the prior fund, which held its final close in 2021. The fund's diverse group of investors include corporate and public pension funds, Taft-Hartley plans, sovereign wealth funds, endowments, foundations, private wealth platforms, and other financial institutions. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:07:51On our last call, we mentioned that we held a close in April that totaled $618 million of LP commitments and generated $11 million of retro fees. The final close for this fund ended up totaling nearly $569 million and generated another $9 million of retro fees. This brings the total raised in the quarter to nearly $1.2 billion and retro fees of nearly $21 million. The final close exceeded our expectations and was the direct result of the dogged determination of our team and the faith placed in us by clients who were enthused at how the portfolio was positioned and the pipeline of attractive deals in front of us. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:08:34I am extremely proud of the work and dedication my colleagues put forth during this fundraise, where we dealt with a crowded field, a choppy economic backdrop, and an unstable global geopolitical landscape. At conclusion, we took in over 228 investors across 31 countries, and we appreciate their support and trust, and we will strive to exceed their expectations. Investment activity remains fulsome and attractive, and as of June thirtieth, the fund was 40% committed, and we have a strong pipeline in front of us. Turning now to some first close announcements for two of our flagship products. First up is our Equity Opportunities Fund, which is our closed-end fund that co-invests alongside our fund managers in equity transactions. As a quick reminder, our fifth Equity Opportunities Fund closed in December of 2022 at approximately $2.1 billion. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:09:30We are proud to announce that we held the first close for our sixth Equity Opportunities Fund on June thirtieth, with over $523 million of LP commitments. Similar to our prior fund, this fund will have two economic arrangements for investors, where management fees are based on either committed capital with a lower carried interest rate or net invested capital with a higher carried interest rate. For context, the prior fund's mix resulted in 49% of the dollars raised based on committed capital and 51% based on net invested capital. While we don't know the breakout of this next fundraise until the end, the capital raised in this first close resulted in 48% on capital committed and 52% on net invested. As we hold additional closes for this fund, we'll provide the split and associated retro fees with the committed capital option. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:10:26Now, stepping back, we are pleased with the start of this fundraise so far. We have built a strong platform of investing directly alongside the world's leading fund managers, and we look forward to providing you with future updates as we progress through this fundraise. Let's now turn to our Strategic Opportunities Fund, which is our annual direct credit fund targeting the institutional LP. As a refresher, this series of funds is effectively always in market as we raise and deploy the capital with short investment periods and charge management fees on net invested capital. For the benefit of those less familiar with the series, it is less about targeting a set amount of dollars to raise, as you would traditionally see across funds with a multi-year deployment period, and more about ensuring that we size the product in line with the current opportunity set. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:11:15This inevitably will lead to some size variability from series to series. We are currently in market with our ninth series, and on June 28th, we held the first close for this latest series with nearly $150 million of commitments. Our Strategic Opportunities Fund remains a key component of our overall private credit platform. That includes our discretionary separate accounts and our Evergreen platform. If you total our prior eight funds, we have raised nearly $5 billion for this program going back to 2015. Now onto our Evergreen funds. During our Shareholder Day, we highlighted the opportunity we believe is in front of us related to continued growth of both our existing Evergreen product offerings and new funds yet to launch. As of June 30th, total AUM across our three existing offerings stood at nearly $7.5 billion.... Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:12:11Monthly net inflows remained strong as we averaged over $330 million for the second calendar quarter of 2024, which was up from $255 million for the first quarter. For our US offering, in a little over a year of having two wirehouse relationships, we have received nearly $1.2 billion of net inflows from that channel, an impressive accomplishment, and we thank them for this successful partnership. We remain optimistic around the prospects for continued expansion of this piece of our business, and our success to date gives us confidence that we are continuing to establish ourselves as a trusted partner and solution provider. Moving on to the technology side. On June 26th, we announced the latest addition to our HL Innovations portfolio, Daphne Technologies. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:13:02Daphne was founded in 2022 through a collaboration between Apollo Global Management and Motive Partners, to transform the management and transmission of data between asset managers and their investors and channel partners. Daphne will allow asset managers to digitize fund data and publish it with a click of a button. It is designed to serve multiple channels, such as institutional investors, investment consultants, independent broker-dealers, and RIAs. This data can be transmitted and consumed via a web-based interface or API. As part of our partnership, Daphnehas integrated with Cobalt, our proprietary private markets data, analytics, forecasting, and diligence platform. Daphne enables straight-through data processing by which alternative asset managers can directly transmit fund information into Cobalt, thus simplifying what has traditionally been a manual and cumbersome process for both asset managers and their investors and channel partners. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:14:05Daphne represents our continued efforts to make the private markets more transparent and easier to access, and we are excited for what is to come with this new partnership and investment. We are proud to be the first outside investor and strategic partner invited in, and we look forward to working closely with Apollo and Motive to drive Daphne's success. I'd like to now hand the call over to my partner, Griff Norville, to provide you with more detail around the Hamilton Lane Technology Solutions offerings. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:14:34Thank you, Erik, and good morning. I'm Griff Norville, Managing Director and Head of Technology Solutions. I've been with Hamilton Lane for more than 14 years, and I've led the build-out of several of our data and technology initiatives over that time. I want to take this opportunity to expand on our technology solutions business, the combination of our in-house built Cobalt technology offering and our reporting services offering, including why we believe it differentiates us. For decades, Hamilton Lane has amassed a proprietary database of private market fund and portfolio company data. Our data advantage, along with our expertise in how to use the data, is a key differentiator in attracting new clients. Cobalt is built for front office investment professionals and provides private market-specific analytics, benchmarking, portfolio construction, and diligence functions. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:15:29Client portfolios can consist of hundreds of positions, and the documentation received from these investments remains unstructured and opaque. Our clients desire a service to gather, extract, and validate data, and we offer a differentiated solution through our scale, expertise, and technology. As a result of growing our reporting business, Hamilton Lane's database is sourced from both our Assets Under Advisement, or AUA, and our AUM. Notably, this data is derived from the primary source of information extracted directly from fund financials, as opposed to public documents or unverified surveys. The client base for Technology Solutions is diverse by geography and institution type. Today, we have over 200 clients subscribing to these services and over $28 million in annual contract value. Our average net revenue renewal rate on contracts over the last four years is above 100%. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:16:33The nature of our contracts and our consistent sales efforts have made this business highly predictable, and it has effectively scaled at a 30% revenue CAGR for over four years, with a strong and growing pipeline. We also package access to our technology with our global investment solutions, a key differentiator in winning competitive processes, securing larger commitments, and retaining existing clients. Over half of our technology solutions clients have active fee-earning AUM, with the remaining set of clients representing potential for new fundraising opportunities. Technology solutions clients are tied to over 30% of our fee-earning AUM, and we expect this percentage to continue to grow. Overall, the private markets continue to move in the direction of greater transparency and deeper analytics. Clients look to Hamilton Lane as their partner in achieving these goals, and in turn, access to our technology solutions deepens our relationships with them. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:17:36With that, I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to share what we believe is an exciting business for us, and I'll now hand the call over to Jeff to cover the financials. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:17:45Thank you, Griff, and good morning, everyone. For the first quarter of fiscal 2025, we achieved strong growth in our business, with management and advisory fees up 33% versus the prior year period. Our specialized funds revenue increased by $32.1 million or 56% compared to the prior year period. This was driven primarily by a $3.3 billion increase to fee-earning AUM in our Evergreen platform and over $3.1 billion raised in our latest secondary fund over the last 12 months. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:18:16... Retro fees for the quarter included $20.7 million from our secondary fund that held its final closes, versus $3.9 million from our secondary fund that held closes in the prior year period. As a reminder, investors that come into later closes during a fund raise pay retroactive fees dating back to the fund's first close. For the remainder of the fiscal year, our current direct equity fund in market will be the primary driver of retro fees now that our secondary fund has finished fundraising. Moving on to customized separate accounts. Revenue increased $1.7 million or 5% compared to the prior year period, due to the addition of new accounts, re-ups from existing clients and continued investment activity. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:19:02Revenue from advisory, reporting, monitoring, data, and analytics offerings increased by $1.1 million compared to the prior year period, due primarily to increases in revenue coming from our Technology Solutions. Lastly, the final component of revenue is incentive fees. Incentive fees for the quarter totaled $56.8 million and are up 189% relative to the prior year period. Let's now turn to our unrealized carry balance. The balance is up 12% from the prior year period, while having recognized $139 million of incentive fees during the last twelve months. The unrealized carry balance now stands at approximately $1.2 billion. Moving to expenses. Total expenses for the quarter increased $37 million compared with the prior year period. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:19:54Total compensation and benefits increased by $34.3 million, driven primarily by higher compensation associated with increased amount of incentive and management fees relative to the prior year period. G&A increased $2.7 million, driven primarily by revenue-related expenses, including the third-party commissions related to our U.S. Evergreen product being offered on wirehouses that we've discussed on prior calls. Fee-related earnings, or FRE, were up 33% relative to the prior year period as a result of the management fee and fee earning AUM growth discussed earlier. FRE margin for the quarter came in at 43%. I'll wrap up here with some commentary on our balance sheet. Our largest asset continues to be our investments alongside our clients in our Customized Separate Accounts and Specialized Funds. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:20:44Over the long term, we view these investments as an important component of our continued growth and will continue to invest our balance sheet capital alongside our clients. In regard to our liabilities, we continue to be modestly levered. With that, we will now open up the call for questions. Operator00:21:01Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star two. One moment please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Kenneth Worthington from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Analyst00:21:22Hi, this is Alex Bernstein, on for Ken. Thanks so much for taking our question, and congrats on the strong quarter. Just wanted to double-click on a data point. I think especially what we've seen with some of the other asset managers out there, notably with the recent acquisition that BlackRock completed. Can you talk a bit more about current efforts and perhaps where you can see the monetization of the data changing? What sort of data products currently does Hamilton Lane offer, and how do you think about the sales around this data vis-a-vis some of the different sales efforts and teams that you may have? Is this really centered around Cobalt or are there other Hamilton Lane-centric products and sales related to those efforts? Analyst00:22:02Finally, what more can be done with regard to this process and ensuring that there's no distraction from the growth of the core business, which, of course, continues to perform? Thank you. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:22:13Thanks, Alex. It's Erik. I'll take that. So from a data standpoint, we are, I would say, directly and indirectly, as Griff alluded to, monetizing the data. So the direct is the Cobalt business, and that is really a SaaS business, so we're selling subscriptions to that. Griff went over the numbers there. Growth continues to be strong. Double digit. Cobalt has a dedicated sales team that is separate and apart from what we see on the institutional or the private wealth side, and so we see a very large addressable market there. Today, we're really only selling to LPs, and that market is significant and vast. The indirect is what Griff alluded to, which is we're really tying it together as a way to win broader pieces of business, so the asset management tie-in. Again, so take secondary fund as an example. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:23:01Crowded space, a lot of formidable competitors out there with similar secondary offerings. And again, for us, one of those key differentiators is selecting us gives the client, you know, preferred access to Cobalt, and we use that to win a lot of ties or a lot of jump balls. And so that is—that's what we're doing today. There are certainly other ways to monetize data. We evaluate those continually. We have a variety of strategic discussions. Part of the technology businesses that we're also investing in, some number of them benefit from some of our data, and so that also helps, again, with us as a preferred technology partner. So we think we have a tremendously powerful database. It's one that continues to grow as the firm continues to grow and scale. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:23:48It's all verified, direct sourced data, which is very different than a number of the other databases out there. And so we think this is a valuable asset. We're monetizing it today, and we'll continue to look for ways to do that more in the future. Analyst00:24:02Thanks much. Operator00:24:05Your next question comes from Alexander Blostein from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Analyst00:24:13Hi, good morning. This is Anthony on for Alex. Appreciate the color on the Evergreen platform, and it's nice to see momentum continuing. Where do you expect the next leg of growth to come from, and how do you plan on balancing, getting on the new wirehouses versus rolling out new products? Thanks. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:24:30...Thanks, Anthony. Erik, I think it's just as you noted, I think it's a combination of factors. One, we're very happy with the growth that we've been achieving so far, and that's really been the result of both growth in the wirehouse relationships as well as growth in our direct sales efforts. Both of those will continue. We expect to add more distribution partners in the future, and we will certainly expect to take our current three offerings in that channel up to more. So I think as we sort of talk about this over the next coming years, again, we keep saying this is a marathon, not a sprint. That will - it's gonna be a combination of all of the above. More channel partners, more direct distribution efforts, more products. Operator00:25:14Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one. Your next question comes from Stephanie Ma from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Analyst00:25:28Hey, good morning. This is Stephanie on for Mike. Maybe just one on your recent announcement of the insurance solutions team. Can you just remind us of your insurance footprint today, and what does this team allow you to do differently or accelerate, and what are your aspirations for this channel over time? Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:25:45Thanks, Stephanie. It's Erik. I think this is really more of an evolution, not a revolution. We've been selling into the insurance channel for quite some time. We have a number of prominent relationships in that space. I think the announcement that you saw last week was really directly reflecting our expansion of the resources we have. As you know, the insurance channel requires oftentimes unique structures to access the private markets, and so we're just bringing on additional capability for structuring and distribution. So our aspiration there is simple: we have a good footprint today that we believe we can make better and bigger over time. Analyst00:26:25Great. Thank you. And maybe just as a follow-up on, Daphne, just hoping to get more color on how integrated is Cobalt today. Is this a work in progress, and what are the opportunities to do more over time with Daphne? Thanks. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:26:40So today, this is... By the way, thanks for the question, Stephanie. This is Griff. Today, Cobalt is fully integrated with Daphne. We are receiving data from general partners that are working with Daphne. Daphne is a young company and is working to scale, and what we are helping them do is introduce them to our GP partners in order to tell the story of Daphne's value add and increase the amount of data flowing directly into our systems via Daphne. Analyst00:27:10Great. Thank you. Operator00:27:13There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Erik Hirsch for closing remarks. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:27:20Again, very strong quarter. We appreciate everyone's time, we appreciate the questions, and we appreciate the partnership. Thank you very much. Operator00:27:27Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect. 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Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Hamilton Lane and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Hamilton LaneHamilton Lane (NASDAQ:HLNE) is a global private markets investment management firm specializing in the full spectrum of private equity and credit strategies. The company partners with institutional investors and wealth managers to design, implement and manage customized portfolios in primary fund investing, secondary market transactions and direct co-investment opportunities. By combining investment selection, portfolio construction and ongoing monitoring, Hamilton Lane seeks to optimize risk-adjusted returns across diverse private markets exposures. Founded in 1991, Hamilton Lane has developed a track record of investment and advisory services in private markets. The firm went public in December 2017, listing its shares on the NASDAQ under the ticker HLNE. Over the years, Hamilton Lane has expanded its global footprint and established regional offices across North America, Europe and Asia-Pacific to support its client base and source investment opportunities worldwide. In addition to fund management, Hamilton Lane offers a suite of advisory and data-analytics services. Its advisory practice provides bespoke consulting on portfolio structuring, manager selection and due diligence for large institutions, endowments, foundations and family offices. Through its proprietary data platform, the firm aggregates and analyzes private markets information, enabling clients to benchmark performance, assess market trends and refine allocation strategies with greater transparency. Headquartered in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, Hamilton Lane is led by President and Chief Executive Officer Peter H. Christodoulou and a senior leadership team with deep experience in alternative investments. The firm’s clients include public and corporate pension plans, sovereign wealth funds, insurance companies and high-net-worth families, all seeking tailored access to private equity, private credit and related alternative asset classes.View Hamilton Lane ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Latest Articles Ross Stores Earnings Beat Sends Stock To New HighsWas Decker’s Double Beat a Bullish Signal—Or Mere HOKA’s-Pocus?Workday Validates AI Flywheel: Stock Price Recovery BeginsApparel Earnings Winners and Losers: Ralph Lauren Takes OffWhy Walmart, Target and TJX Got Such Different Reactions After EarningsThe Careful Consumer: What Q1 Earnings Reveal—And Where Cracks May AppearOverextended, e.l.f. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Hamilton Lane First Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines on a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, August 6, 2024. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Oh, Head of Shareholder Relations. Please go ahead. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:00:33Thank you, Julie. Good morning, and welcome to the Hamilton Lane Q1 fiscal 2025 earnings call. Today, I will be joined by Erik Hirsch, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Armbruster, Chief Financial Officer, and Griff Norville, Head of Technology Solutions. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and slide presentation, which are available on our website. Before we discuss the quarter's results, we want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements discuss our current expectations and projections relating to our financial position, results of operations, plans, objectives, future performance, and business. These forward-looking statements do not guarantee future events or performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:01:22For a discussion of these risks, please review the cautionary statements and risk factors included in the Hamilton Lane fiscal 2024 10-K, and subsequent reports we file with the SEC. These forward-looking statements are made only as of today, and except as required, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of them. We will also be referring to non-GAAP measures that we view as important in assessing the performance of our business. Reconciliation of those non-GAAP measures to GAAP can be found in the earnings presentation materials made available on the shareholder section of the Hamilton Lane website. Our detailed financial results will be made available when our 10-Q is filed. Please note that nothing on this call represents an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase interest in any of Hamilton Lane's products. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:02:10First, as a reminder for those who may have missed it, we held our second HLNE Shareholder Day on June 5th, where several Hamilton Lane leaders walked through business channels and growth drivers. We charted our progress since our IPO in March 2017, and discussed what we continue to see as a large and growing market in front of us. We were proud to show our strong results and our continued leadership in private markets through the depth and breadth of our offering. For those who have not had a chance to watch the presentation, a replay recording, along with the accompanying slides, can be found on the shareholder section of our website. Thank you to all those who joined us in person at our headquarters for the live presentation. Let's move now to some financial highlights. John OhHead of Investor Relations at Hamilton Lane00:02:53For this first quarter of fiscal 2025, our management and advisory fee revenue grew by 33%, while our fee-related earnings also grew by 33% versus the prior year period. This translated into GAAP EPS of $1.47, based on $59 million of GAAP net income and non-GAAP EPS of $1.51, based on $81 million of adjusted net income. We have also declared a dividend of $0.49 per share this quarter. This keeps us on track for the targeted full fiscal 2025 dividend of $1.96 per share, which represents a 10% increase from the prior, prior fiscal year. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Erik. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:03:34Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. We continue to experience strong momentum and have recorded another outstanding quarter. None of this happens by accident, particularly not in this market, and Juan and I are proud of the team here and their unwavering focus on delivering excellence to our customers. That focus is what results in our ability to expand our brand and continue to grow. Let's move now to our total asset footprint. This stood at $940 billion and represents a 15% increase to our footprint year-over-year. AUM stood at $130 billion at quarter end and grew $13 billion or 11%. The growth came from both our specialized funds and our customized separate accounts. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:04:17AUA was up $110 billion or 16% year-over-year, primarily the result of market value growth and the addition of technology solutions and back-office mandates. Turning now to fee earning AUM. We continue to generate very strong growth across our specialized fund platform and more modest growth across our separate accounts. It is worth emphasizing that increasingly we are seeing separate account mandates include meaningful allocation to our specialized funds, and that AUM would get captured under specialized funds, not separate accounts. This is a good thing. Our total fee earning AUM stood at $67.7 billion and grew $8 billion or 13% relative to the prior year period. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:05:04Taken separately, $2.4 billion of net fee earning AUM came from our customized separate accounts, and over the same time period, $5.7 billion came from our specialized funds. As we detailed on our shareholder day, our blended fee rate across the platform has been steadily increasing year-over-year. This stems from the continuing shift in the mix of our fee-earning AUM towards higher fee rate specialized funds, most notably our Evergreen products, where growth remains impressive. When we went public in 2017, our blended fee rate was 57 basis points. Today, it stands at 61 basis points, excluding the impact from retro fees. Moving now to additional detail on our customized separate accounts. We continue here to see growth coming from clients across type, mandate, size, and geographic location. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:05:58As we highlighted on our last call, our separate account business continues to grow through finding new clients, some of which have already invested in private markets, and for others, this is their first foray. The bulk of our flows continue to be driven by our existing clients who re-up with us as they look to maintain and grow their exposure to the asset class. This trend has remained steady since our IPO and remains the case through this fiscal quarter, where the balance of customized separate account net fee-earning AUM stood at $38.2 billion and grew by $2.4 billion, or 7%, over the last 12 months. Let's move now to our specialized funds, where momentum continues to be strong. Fee-earning AUM here stood at $29.5 billion at quarter end. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:06:46Over the past 12 months, we achieved positive net inflows of $5.7 billion, representing an increase of 24% relative to the prior year period. This growth stemmed from additional closes for funds currently in market, robust investment activity, and continued expansion of our Evergreen platform. Now moving to the drivers of specialized fund flows. Let's start with our latest secondary fund. On June 18th, we announced the final close for our sixth secondary fund, with $5.6 billion in total commitments. This fund marks our largest ever institutional fundraiser and represents an over 40% increase in size relative to the prior fund, which held its final close in 2021. The fund's diverse group of investors include corporate and public pension funds, Taft-Hartley plans, sovereign wealth funds, endowments, foundations, private wealth platforms, and other financial institutions. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:07:51On our last call, we mentioned that we held a close in April that totaled $618 million of LP commitments and generated $11 million of retro fees. The final close for this fund ended up totaling nearly $569 million and generated another $9 million of retro fees. This brings the total raised in the quarter to nearly $1.2 billion and retro fees of nearly $21 million. The final close exceeded our expectations and was the direct result of the dogged determination of our team and the faith placed in us by clients who were enthused at how the portfolio was positioned and the pipeline of attractive deals in front of us. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:08:34I am extremely proud of the work and dedication my colleagues put forth during this fundraise, where we dealt with a crowded field, a choppy economic backdrop, and an unstable global geopolitical landscape. At conclusion, we took in over 228 investors across 31 countries, and we appreciate their support and trust, and we will strive to exceed their expectations. Investment activity remains fulsome and attractive, and as of June thirtieth, the fund was 40% committed, and we have a strong pipeline in front of us. Turning now to some first close announcements for two of our flagship products. First up is our Equity Opportunities Fund, which is our closed-end fund that co-invests alongside our fund managers in equity transactions. As a quick reminder, our fifth Equity Opportunities Fund closed in December of 2022 at approximately $2.1 billion. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:09:30We are proud to announce that we held the first close for our sixth Equity Opportunities Fund on June thirtieth, with over $523 million of LP commitments. Similar to our prior fund, this fund will have two economic arrangements for investors, where management fees are based on either committed capital with a lower carried interest rate or net invested capital with a higher carried interest rate. For context, the prior fund's mix resulted in 49% of the dollars raised based on committed capital and 51% based on net invested capital. While we don't know the breakout of this next fundraise until the end, the capital raised in this first close resulted in 48% on capital committed and 52% on net invested. As we hold additional closes for this fund, we'll provide the split and associated retro fees with the committed capital option. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:10:26Now, stepping back, we are pleased with the start of this fundraise so far. We have built a strong platform of investing directly alongside the world's leading fund managers, and we look forward to providing you with future updates as we progress through this fundraise. Let's now turn to our Strategic Opportunities Fund, which is our annual direct credit fund targeting the institutional LP. As a refresher, this series of funds is effectively always in market as we raise and deploy the capital with short investment periods and charge management fees on net invested capital. For the benefit of those less familiar with the series, it is less about targeting a set amount of dollars to raise, as you would traditionally see across funds with a multi-year deployment period, and more about ensuring that we size the product in line with the current opportunity set. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:11:15This inevitably will lead to some size variability from series to series. We are currently in market with our ninth series, and on June 28th, we held the first close for this latest series with nearly $150 million of commitments. Our Strategic Opportunities Fund remains a key component of our overall private credit platform. That includes our discretionary separate accounts and our Evergreen platform. If you total our prior eight funds, we have raised nearly $5 billion for this program going back to 2015. Now onto our Evergreen funds. During our Shareholder Day, we highlighted the opportunity we believe is in front of us related to continued growth of both our existing Evergreen product offerings and new funds yet to launch. As of June 30th, total AUM across our three existing offerings stood at nearly $7.5 billion.... Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:12:11Monthly net inflows remained strong as we averaged over $330 million for the second calendar quarter of 2024, which was up from $255 million for the first quarter. For our US offering, in a little over a year of having two wirehouse relationships, we have received nearly $1.2 billion of net inflows from that channel, an impressive accomplishment, and we thank them for this successful partnership. We remain optimistic around the prospects for continued expansion of this piece of our business, and our success to date gives us confidence that we are continuing to establish ourselves as a trusted partner and solution provider. Moving on to the technology side. On June 26th, we announced the latest addition to our HL Innovations portfolio, Daphne Technologies. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:13:02Daphne was founded in 2022 through a collaboration between Apollo Global Management and Motive Partners, to transform the management and transmission of data between asset managers and their investors and channel partners. Daphne will allow asset managers to digitize fund data and publish it with a click of a button. It is designed to serve multiple channels, such as institutional investors, investment consultants, independent broker-dealers, and RIAs. This data can be transmitted and consumed via a web-based interface or API. As part of our partnership, Daphnehas integrated with Cobalt, our proprietary private markets data, analytics, forecasting, and diligence platform. Daphne enables straight-through data processing by which alternative asset managers can directly transmit fund information into Cobalt, thus simplifying what has traditionally been a manual and cumbersome process for both asset managers and their investors and channel partners. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:14:05Daphne represents our continued efforts to make the private markets more transparent and easier to access, and we are excited for what is to come with this new partnership and investment. We are proud to be the first outside investor and strategic partner invited in, and we look forward to working closely with Apollo and Motive to drive Daphne's success. I'd like to now hand the call over to my partner, Griff Norville, to provide you with more detail around the Hamilton Lane Technology Solutions offerings. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:14:34Thank you, Erik, and good morning. I'm Griff Norville, Managing Director and Head of Technology Solutions. I've been with Hamilton Lane for more than 14 years, and I've led the build-out of several of our data and technology initiatives over that time. I want to take this opportunity to expand on our technology solutions business, the combination of our in-house built Cobalt technology offering and our reporting services offering, including why we believe it differentiates us. For decades, Hamilton Lane has amassed a proprietary database of private market fund and portfolio company data. Our data advantage, along with our expertise in how to use the data, is a key differentiator in attracting new clients. Cobalt is built for front office investment professionals and provides private market-specific analytics, benchmarking, portfolio construction, and diligence functions. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:15:29Client portfolios can consist of hundreds of positions, and the documentation received from these investments remains unstructured and opaque. Our clients desire a service to gather, extract, and validate data, and we offer a differentiated solution through our scale, expertise, and technology. As a result of growing our reporting business, Hamilton Lane's database is sourced from both our Assets Under Advisement, or AUA, and our AUM. Notably, this data is derived from the primary source of information extracted directly from fund financials, as opposed to public documents or unverified surveys. The client base for Technology Solutions is diverse by geography and institution type. Today, we have over 200 clients subscribing to these services and over $28 million in annual contract value. Our average net revenue renewal rate on contracts over the last four years is above 100%. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:16:33The nature of our contracts and our consistent sales efforts have made this business highly predictable, and it has effectively scaled at a 30% revenue CAGR for over four years, with a strong and growing pipeline. We also package access to our technology with our global investment solutions, a key differentiator in winning competitive processes, securing larger commitments, and retaining existing clients. Over half of our technology solutions clients have active fee-earning AUM, with the remaining set of clients representing potential for new fundraising opportunities. Technology solutions clients are tied to over 30% of our fee-earning AUM, and we expect this percentage to continue to grow. Overall, the private markets continue to move in the direction of greater transparency and deeper analytics. Clients look to Hamilton Lane as their partner in achieving these goals, and in turn, access to our technology solutions deepens our relationships with them. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:17:36With that, I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to share what we believe is an exciting business for us, and I'll now hand the call over to Jeff to cover the financials. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:17:45Thank you, Griff, and good morning, everyone. For the first quarter of fiscal 2025, we achieved strong growth in our business, with management and advisory fees up 33% versus the prior year period. Our specialized funds revenue increased by $32.1 million or 56% compared to the prior year period. This was driven primarily by a $3.3 billion increase to fee-earning AUM in our Evergreen platform and over $3.1 billion raised in our latest secondary fund over the last 12 months. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:18:16... Retro fees for the quarter included $20.7 million from our secondary fund that held its final closes, versus $3.9 million from our secondary fund that held closes in the prior year period. As a reminder, investors that come into later closes during a fund raise pay retroactive fees dating back to the fund's first close. For the remainder of the fiscal year, our current direct equity fund in market will be the primary driver of retro fees now that our secondary fund has finished fundraising. Moving on to customized separate accounts. Revenue increased $1.7 million or 5% compared to the prior year period, due to the addition of new accounts, re-ups from existing clients and continued investment activity. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:19:02Revenue from advisory, reporting, monitoring, data, and analytics offerings increased by $1.1 million compared to the prior year period, due primarily to increases in revenue coming from our Technology Solutions. Lastly, the final component of revenue is incentive fees. Incentive fees for the quarter totaled $56.8 million and are up 189% relative to the prior year period. Let's now turn to our unrealized carry balance. The balance is up 12% from the prior year period, while having recognized $139 million of incentive fees during the last twelve months. The unrealized carry balance now stands at approximately $1.2 billion. Moving to expenses. Total expenses for the quarter increased $37 million compared with the prior year period. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:19:54Total compensation and benefits increased by $34.3 million, driven primarily by higher compensation associated with increased amount of incentive and management fees relative to the prior year period. G&A increased $2.7 million, driven primarily by revenue-related expenses, including the third-party commissions related to our U.S. Evergreen product being offered on wirehouses that we've discussed on prior calls. Fee-related earnings, or FRE, were up 33% relative to the prior year period as a result of the management fee and fee earning AUM growth discussed earlier. FRE margin for the quarter came in at 43%. I'll wrap up here with some commentary on our balance sheet. Our largest asset continues to be our investments alongside our clients in our Customized Separate Accounts and Specialized Funds. Jeff ArmbristerCFO at Hamilton Lane00:20:44Over the long term, we view these investments as an important component of our continued growth and will continue to invest our balance sheet capital alongside our clients. In regard to our liabilities, we continue to be modestly levered. With that, we will now open up the call for questions. Operator00:21:01Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star two. One moment please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Kenneth Worthington from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Analyst00:21:22Hi, this is Alex Bernstein, on for Ken. Thanks so much for taking our question, and congrats on the strong quarter. Just wanted to double-click on a data point. I think especially what we've seen with some of the other asset managers out there, notably with the recent acquisition that BlackRock completed. Can you talk a bit more about current efforts and perhaps where you can see the monetization of the data changing? What sort of data products currently does Hamilton Lane offer, and how do you think about the sales around this data vis-a-vis some of the different sales efforts and teams that you may have? Is this really centered around Cobalt or are there other Hamilton Lane-centric products and sales related to those efforts? Analyst00:22:02Finally, what more can be done with regard to this process and ensuring that there's no distraction from the growth of the core business, which, of course, continues to perform? Thank you. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:22:13Thanks, Alex. It's Erik. I'll take that. So from a data standpoint, we are, I would say, directly and indirectly, as Griff alluded to, monetizing the data. So the direct is the Cobalt business, and that is really a SaaS business, so we're selling subscriptions to that. Griff went over the numbers there. Growth continues to be strong. Double digit. Cobalt has a dedicated sales team that is separate and apart from what we see on the institutional or the private wealth side, and so we see a very large addressable market there. Today, we're really only selling to LPs, and that market is significant and vast. The indirect is what Griff alluded to, which is we're really tying it together as a way to win broader pieces of business, so the asset management tie-in. Again, so take secondary fund as an example. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:23:01Crowded space, a lot of formidable competitors out there with similar secondary offerings. And again, for us, one of those key differentiators is selecting us gives the client, you know, preferred access to Cobalt, and we use that to win a lot of ties or a lot of jump balls. And so that is—that's what we're doing today. There are certainly other ways to monetize data. We evaluate those continually. We have a variety of strategic discussions. Part of the technology businesses that we're also investing in, some number of them benefit from some of our data, and so that also helps, again, with us as a preferred technology partner. So we think we have a tremendously powerful database. It's one that continues to grow as the firm continues to grow and scale. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:23:48It's all verified, direct sourced data, which is very different than a number of the other databases out there. And so we think this is a valuable asset. We're monetizing it today, and we'll continue to look for ways to do that more in the future. Analyst00:24:02Thanks much. Operator00:24:05Your next question comes from Alexander Blostein from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Analyst00:24:13Hi, good morning. This is Anthony on for Alex. Appreciate the color on the Evergreen platform, and it's nice to see momentum continuing. Where do you expect the next leg of growth to come from, and how do you plan on balancing, getting on the new wirehouses versus rolling out new products? Thanks. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:24:30...Thanks, Anthony. Erik, I think it's just as you noted, I think it's a combination of factors. One, we're very happy with the growth that we've been achieving so far, and that's really been the result of both growth in the wirehouse relationships as well as growth in our direct sales efforts. Both of those will continue. We expect to add more distribution partners in the future, and we will certainly expect to take our current three offerings in that channel up to more. So I think as we sort of talk about this over the next coming years, again, we keep saying this is a marathon, not a sprint. That will - it's gonna be a combination of all of the above. More channel partners, more direct distribution efforts, more products. Operator00:25:14Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one. Your next question comes from Stephanie Ma from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Analyst00:25:28Hey, good morning. This is Stephanie on for Mike. Maybe just one on your recent announcement of the insurance solutions team. Can you just remind us of your insurance footprint today, and what does this team allow you to do differently or accelerate, and what are your aspirations for this channel over time? Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:25:45Thanks, Stephanie. It's Erik. I think this is really more of an evolution, not a revolution. We've been selling into the insurance channel for quite some time. We have a number of prominent relationships in that space. I think the announcement that you saw last week was really directly reflecting our expansion of the resources we have. As you know, the insurance channel requires oftentimes unique structures to access the private markets, and so we're just bringing on additional capability for structuring and distribution. So our aspiration there is simple: we have a good footprint today that we believe we can make better and bigger over time. Analyst00:26:25Great. Thank you. And maybe just as a follow-up on, Daphne, just hoping to get more color on how integrated is Cobalt today. Is this a work in progress, and what are the opportunities to do more over time with Daphne? Thanks. Griff NorvilleHead of Technology Solutions at Hamilton Lane00:26:40So today, this is... By the way, thanks for the question, Stephanie. This is Griff. Today, Cobalt is fully integrated with Daphne. We are receiving data from general partners that are working with Daphne. Daphne is a young company and is working to scale, and what we are helping them do is introduce them to our GP partners in order to tell the story of Daphne's value add and increase the amount of data flowing directly into our systems via Daphne. Analyst00:27:10Great. Thank you. Operator00:27:13There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Erik Hirsch for closing remarks. Erik HirschCo-CEO at Hamilton Lane00:27:20Again, very strong quarter. We appreciate everyone's time, we appreciate the questions, and we appreciate the partnership. Thank you very much. Operator00:27:27Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect. Thank you.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesErik HirschCo-CEOGriff NorvilleHead of Technology SolutionsJeff ArmbristerCFOJohn OhHead of Investor RelationsAnalystsAnalystAnalystAnalystPowered by