TSE:MBX Microbix Biosystems Q4 2025 Earnings Report C$0.25 -0.01 (-1.96%) As of 03:05 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Microbix Biosystems EPS ResultsActual EPS-C$0.01Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AMicrobix Biosystems Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$3.74 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AMicrobix Biosystems Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date12/18/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateThursday, December 18, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress ReleaseEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Microbix Biosystems Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrDecember 18, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Negative Sentiment: Revenues were down 27% for the year after a major client's abrupt program termination and reduced China distributor orders, though management says recurring sales excluding those events rose about 12%. Positive Sentiment: Operational performance improved materially with higher batch yields and fewer failures (zero in some cases), the addition of recombinant antigen capabilities, the launch of the QuantDx reference-materials line, and new partnerships that broaden addressable markets. Positive Sentiment: The Kinlytic program is advancing — manufacturing is being modernized with two CDMOs, FDA interactions are described as constructive, and the partner-funded project could generate up to $31 million in milestones plus double-digit recurring royalties. Positive Sentiment: Balance sheet and liquidity are strong with over CAD 12 million cash at year-end and access to up to CAD 24 million of additional facilities (undrawn mortgage and credit line); management expects to avoid issuing equity and has an active NCIB. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallMicrobix Biosystems Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:00:00Respiratory disease this past season, which reduced the need for tests and, in turn, our test ingredients. We also had a major client very abruptly announce the termination of a multi-hundred million dollar instrument development program that we were supporting that occurred at the start of June. That really impacted our Q3, where we were expecting to see stocking deliveries and in Q4, particularly. We're now in that process of building back with new clients and new projects that we have been working on but are not all yet ripe to announce. Our results that we've just announced for the quarter and for the year are reflective of that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:00:57And maybe I can ask Jim to speak about fiscal 2025 financials before I begin to chat about the many achievements that we've made across the fiscal year and what our outlook is going into 2026 and beyond. Jim, would you like to comment on 2025 fiscal? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:01:19Sure. Thanks, Cameron. Yeah, it was certainly a tale of two halves. We started off the year very well and basically hitting our and/or exceeding our budget in the first half of the year. And it wasn't until we got the sort of unexpected news, both from our distributor in China as well as on our QAPs business, the loss of business of a key customer for one of their projects that had been canceled, which changed things quite significantly in the second half of the year. Overall, for the year, revenues were down 27%. A good chunk of that actually was we had Kinlytic revenues of CAD 4.1 million last year. We didn't have any this year. We didn't expect to have any this year. So that was a good portion of it. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:02:14Plus, we also had these events in the second half of the year that led to the rest of the decline versus last year. If you look at, if you took all of those factors out, the Kinlytic out, the China distribution, the QAPs program cancellation, our revenues in all other areas actually increased 12% during the year. From a margin perspective, we were down from last year at 53% versus 61%. Again, a good portion of last year's strong margin was Kinlytic, which had CAD 4.1 million worth of revenues and very little cost of sales last year. So in comparison, again, we were fairly flat, if not up, on last year's gross margin. And that's coming from we've had a very good year from a process and yield standpoint on our antigens business. And we've seen yields improve quite significantly on a few of our key products. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:03:19And the number of batch failures declined substantially, and in some cases, to zero. So very important for us as we move forward as well. On the OpEx side, we were up 4% on OpEx. Key contributors there were we had lower investment income during the year. Again, decline in interest rates led to that. Although we did make continued investments in trade shows as well as increasing our R&D spend, predominantly in the QAPs area, but spending more there. It was a profitable first half of the year. Unfortunately, a sizable loss in the second half of the year. Our expectation is, as we go into 2026, which I think Cameron will focus on a little bit later, we expect to see some improvements in all areas. We did maintain a cash balance. We've got a strong balance sheet. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:04:22We maintained a cash balance of over CAD 12 million at the end of the fiscal year. We made sizable investments in our capital equipment and facilities throughout the year as well. So we're poised to enter, or we've already entered 2026 at this point in time. We're almost finished Q1, but we're entering it in a strong position and looking forward to our 2026. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:04:51That's great, Jim. Thank you. I think that's the clarifications that you've made there are excellent. Last, if we look at our fiscal 2024 and remove the CAD 4.1 million in Kinlytic milestones, we achieved revenues of CAD 21.3 million from recurring product sales and royalties in that year. We were looking to grow beyond the total CAD 25.4 million inclusive of Kinlytic in 2025 based on the outlook we had for all of our different clients. But with two major clients falling off the table, we effectively went from CAD 21.3 million down to CAD 18.6 million in terms of recurring revenues and royalties. So again, while it's not what we were looking for, it's a very solid performance from our team. And as you pointed out, Jim, if we remove those variables, we grew in sales of pretty much every category and customer outside of the two problematic instances. So very good context on there. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:06:10Some of the achievements we've made across fiscal 2025, I think, are very good to call out. I'll think to calendar year because it's in my mind rather than fiscal for the achievements now that we're in December, but we've announced our intention to onboard full recombinant antigen capabilities to add to our longstanding native antigen capabilities. That program has been moving forward through the year, and I think we'll soon have some progress reports on that. We've continued our strong support of industry and public health with regards to potentially emerging respiratory pandemics and respiratory illness with new products in H5N1 put to market and as well H3N2 most recently, which is this season's emerged flu strain that is the latest clade that's driving infections. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:07:13We've announced support for cervical cancer screening in multiple countries all throughout the Indo-Pacific through our collaboration with the Australian Centre for the Prevention of Cervical Cancer. Our partner on Kinlytic has engaged the drug product manufacturing contract development and manufacturing organization to help drive that program forward. Work continues with Ken's firm support on that program, and I'll ask him to speak to that as well as OpEx generally. We've had multiple new program and product collaborations with our proficiency testing and external quality assessment scheme providers in infectious diseases, in oncology, molecular pathology, and genetics testing, which broadens out our addressable markets again beyond our traditional strength in infectious diseases in relation to QAPs. We strengthen our supply chains with our exclusive supply agreement to access the more than 100-year-old collection of pathogens at the Bulgarian National Centre for Infectious and Parasitic Diseases in Bulgaria. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:08:31We launched our new QUANTDx reference materials product line, which potentially may become as important for the company on a revenue basis as QAPs has become for us, and further test manufacturer collaborations, most recently with Sekisui for point of care tests being marketed in the United States and with Seegene with respect to cervical cancer screening in Mexico, a population of 140 million, so tremendous fundamental achievements through the year that I think are important to call out. Ken, what would you most want to talk about from an operations point of view in terms of what we achieved in fiscal 2025, and for that matter, some of what you see for 2026? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:09:22I think it's quite apparent that we're in excellent shape operationally at Microbix. We have the capacity necessary to fulfill our market desires in the next little while, and we've also built capabilities from there. We have an ongoing focus on operational excellence. We've seen batch yields increase. We've seen batch failure rates reduced, and that, of course, reduces costs and increases margins. We've also been working hard on further implementing aspects of our electronic quality management system and connecting that with our ERP system to further increase efficiencies. We've added new capabilities. We talked about the recombinant protein program, which adds in addition to our native antigen program, and that is going extremely well. The first product will be ready for prime time imminently, but there's a whole pipeline behind that. That's just a description of the scientific excellence we have at Microbix. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:10:22And so from a capacity perspective, from a capability perspective, we continue to grow. I don't really have anything negative to say in this regard. All we've seen is increased yields and reduced costs. And I think that's the way it's going to stay, and we'll be able to support our business growth in the future. That's for operations in general. I think we're in really excellent shape right now. And kudos to all the staff for doing that because we're replete with outstanding scientific leadership and scientific support throughout this company. And the increased yields and reduced costs are a manifestation of that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:10:59Oh, very good, Ken. Thank you. I think that really highlights how we have entered into fiscal 2026 with incredibly strong capabilities with an absolutely marvelous team, great capacity that we have to bring to bear. I will say as well a very rich business development pipeline. There are multiple new products and programs that we're working on with both existing and new customers. I'll just remind everyone that our policy is we announce programs when they are effectively signed, sealed, and delivered, not when we're discussing or negotiating with partners on them. As those come to full fruition and with the consent of our partners, we'll make those disclosures as and when we pull things over the line with our partners. Very good position in that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:12:00For our financial goals for fiscal 2026, really what we're seeing and we've seen in Q4 is this is beginning our recovery from the revenue setback that began in Q3, leading to our below, certainly our target full year results for fiscal 2025. And I think across fiscal 2026, we'll continue to build out that recovery quarter by quarter and be looking to regain quarterly profitability likely in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026 is what on the order of what we're targeting. That really would represent a growth of approximately 30% from the quarterly low point of CAD 3.5 million that we had in Q3. So if we were just flat across fiscal 2026, we'd have revenues of CAD 14 million. We will not be with revenues of CAD 14 million. We'll be substantially higher than that from everything we see in our current outlook. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:13:07And this, again, our outlook is based on projects that have already been signed, sealed, and delivered. We can look at, say, what product is going to be ordered, what quarter by what customer. We don't speculate on things that are not yet fully delivered. Some of our work across 2026, as Jim stated, and we should emphasize, we continue to have sufficient financial resources to fully execute. That's both in terms of our cash on the balance sheet, which, as Jim had mentioned, was over CAD 12 million at the end of our fiscal 2025, September 30th, 2025. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:13:53I'll just remind folks that we also have an undrawn mortgage facility on our owned facility, and that could be up to CAD 8 million drawable off that, plus an undrawn line of credit, which could be up to CAD 4 million, depending, of course, on a loan credit lending formula with the bank. So altogether, at September 30, we could have access to up to CAD 24 million in further funds before we would need to tap a dollar of new equity. So that's very much not on the table to issue equity. And in fact, you've seen the recent renewal of our normal course issuer bid. That's the technical name for share buyback program. And we're actually able to proceed, should we choose, at a higher level of daily purchases for the renewal that we had available across fiscal 2025. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:14:54So again, very positive from an operational point of view and very bright prospects that we're looking at going forward. So I think that would conclude my comments, and I just thank everybody for their engagement and support as we've continued to build the strength of Microbix in terms of our capabilities, our capacity. And I'm just delighted to see more large multinational companies relying on Microbix as a critical supply chain partner for QAPs and for antigens and for more touch points such as our reference materials as they get into assay development. We're becoming much more known across the industry and recognized and respected. And I think that is a great way to continue building value for shareholders. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:15:50And then, of course, we have the very substantial kicker with Kinlytic that's continuing to advance towards the filing of a supplemental BLA with the United States Food and Drug Administration. And we're continuing to target the advancement of that, the refreshing and renewal and updating of drug substance manufacturing is progressing. And we'll hopefully have some update disclosures from that in the first half of this calendar year that will fiscal calendar 2026. And that continues to have tremendous revenue potential through royalties, recurring royalties and one-time sales and regulatory achievement-driven milestone payments. That is sort of the turbocharger supercharger on a very nice V8 engine that we've built and are now putting gas into. So with that, that would be the conclusion of my comments. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:16:51Jim and Ken, did you have any further comments you'd want to make before Deborah may ask some questions and open it up to those on the call? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:17:04The only thing I would add, I forgot to say when I was talking about general operations, was we also have a focus on automation, as you would expect, as part of efficiency increments in Microbix. That's initiative both within manufacturing and QC, the highly scientific disciplines, and of course, fed by R&D and engineering, ongoing and continuing to drive efficiencies at Microbix. The basic operational side, no doubt, we'll get to Ken. Let Ken take the floor. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:17:32That's so great because that liberates our staff to do work with their minds more than their hands and gives everybody the potential to do their best work, best and most fulfilling work. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:17:46Absolutely. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:17:46Jim, what would you want to flag? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:17:50No, I don't have anything else, Cameron, to add to this. I'm more than happy to answer any questions that anyone that's on the line has regarding the financials. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:17:59Okay. Thank you. Deborah, what would you want to ask before we open it up to the audience? Any questions that you've had? Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:18:08I mean, for me, I would just like a bit of a more detailed update on Kinlytic and timelines and catalysts. I know, Ken, you've walked us through the process many times, but it'd be good to just kind of hear the updated timelines that you're seeing. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:18:23I saw some specific questions in the Q&A. I thought we were going to talk then. I'm happy to update now if the group would like it. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:18:31Okay. Sure. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:18:32It's quite straightforward. As everyone knows, we're working with Sequel, and the relationship is excellent. We're moving forward in updating, as per FDA's request, at the U.S. FDA's request, production processes to contemporary standards. That involves reducing animal components in there and increasing the veracity, if you like, of testing. We're moving forward, it appears. We're currently scaling up processes with two separate CDMOs, contract development and manufacturing organizations. One for drug substance, the active ingredient, one for drug product, which is the finished and filled and packaged product. These are moving forward at a pace. In fact, we're expecting to be going back to the FDA. Well, we are going back to the FDA early in the new year specifically to update them on the work we've done in bringing the process up to contemporary standards. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:19:25Because recall, of course, the original Kinlytic process was in the early 2000s, and here we sit at the end of 2025. This work has gone extremely well, and we don't expect to be anything contentious in that. It's mainly an update. They asked us to improve the processes. We've done that, and now we're implementing it at commercial scale along the timelines discussed. So we talked about filings in 2026, 2027. That remains the case, and we're moving forward at a pace. So I really don't have anything negative to say about this. This is mainly an engineering function now, and we're going forward with our two CDMOs and with Sequel, as we said we would. So that's really the update. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:20:09The fact that we have concluded the work in bringing the process up to contemporary standards is a milestone, and it's a milestone that will be reflected in our discussions with FDA. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:20:25Small clarification, Ken, you stated filings in 2026 or 2027. I think there would be interactions in 2026, but not a filing. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:20:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. Updates and future updates to the file, of course. Kinlytic is already approved. It's already approved drug with decades of clinical success. And as I say many times here, I've said many times on this type of forum, there's no chance of clinical failure because there's 20 years of clinical success. What we're doing is bringing new manufacturing to bear and adding to the currently approved file. And that's where the interaction with the FDA is going and is going well. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:21:03Yeah. And just to state that the relationship with the partner is excellent, and it's that partner that's providing and it's private equity backers who are providing full project funding. So Microbix participates in the upside of that through one-time milestones, non-recurring milestones that could total up to $31 million. Plus, unless the product completely disappoints in the marketplace, then we'll see a double-digit recurring stream of royalties on all revenues generated from all applications in all markets for the product, starting with the catheter clearance indication in the United States market. But certainly, we hope and our partner hopes that it will go beyond that, both geographically and in terms of the clinical indications for the product. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:21:58And we're working very closely with Sequel and others on the technical and regulatory and market components of this. And absolutely, catheter clearance is only the start, and there are many larger indications and geographies outside of North America that we intend to pursue. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:22:17Deborah, I think that's a good summary, and perhaps you can start to guide us through some of the questions in the queue. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:22:25Yeah, perfect. That covered my question about it as well as an audience one. So one down. So inventories continue to grow. Is there a substantial amount of antigen intended for China in the inventories? Sorry, let me rephrase that. Is there a substantial amount of antigen intended for China in the inventories that is at risk of being written down? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:22:51I think that this is definitely. I was just going to tease Jim that. Do you ever look at inventories? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:22:57No. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:22:58Yeah, very much on Jim's mind across the board. Jim, can you give full context in that, as well as some of the comments on cell bank renewals and how that is treated in inventory? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:23:10Sure. From an antigen standpoint, yeah, there's no question that we ended up with some inventory that we had not necessarily planned on relating to the China distributor because of the sudden shutdown of the business, and we had also been acquiring raw materials to support the anticipated growth and the forecast that they had been providing us with, so we also chose to convert those raw materials into finished goods as well, and both of those in combination led to an increase in inventory, but no, there's no risk of write-down. Antigens, they don't expire. We fully anticipate being able to sell that inventory during the fiscal year as it comes up. So. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:24:02Yeah, just for clarity, for antigens, those materials are kept at -80 and have effectively an infinite or near infinite shelf life. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:24:16Yeah, effectively indestructible. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:24:18Yeah. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:24:18Yeah. The other factor that Cameron mentioned was seed banks. And this was a year of investment in our seed banks and our seed bank inventory. We believe that it was a long-term, and we actually had lobbied to move that into being more of a long-term asset as opposed to inventory. But from an IFRS standpoint, it was deemed that this was still inventory, that it is consumed during production. It's just over a much longer period of time. It's important, but there's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of CAD 750,000 in that increment that belongs to the seed bank. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:25:07Maybe I'll just take a moment to explain what that means for folks that aren't too wholly steeped in our industry. It's a little bit literally like think of it like a seed. These are the cells or viruses or bacteria that will start to grow up and propagate to become the finished antigen products, and in some cases, the finished QAPs, active ingredients. And those are literally like the seed corn that one would sow at the beginning of the season and then harvest after it grows and propagates. So those stalks of seeds will be used over years, sometimes even over a decade or more, and consequently are really a long-term asset in that sense. But they appear in inventory as, I think, in the raw materials category, Jim, and they appear as a current asset under IFRS. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:26:07So it's a little bit of, certainly, we've said it's certainly not intuitive treatment, but it is prescriptive on the accounting standard. So you do see that in the growth in inventory as well. And then just for as we increase the number of SKUs as well in QAPs, particularly, we've been laying in materials, biological materials for those programs, many of which are new programs and new products for different customers. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:26:42All of those seeds and cell banks are stored frozen. Cells are generally stored in liquid in the vapor phase, liquid nitrogen, and seeds generally are stored at -80. Once again, they're pretty much indestructible, and there's no chance of them going off. Of course, that frozen state is monitored in real time. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:27:02Yeah, with uninterruptible power sources and backup, and viral seeds are actually stored in multiple locations as further backup and disaster recovery and business continuity planning. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:27:16Absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:27:18Literally planting seeds for growth. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:27:21Literally, absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:27:24I like to hear that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:27:25Yeah. And just as our products expand and our capabilities expand, and you have one touchpoint with a major international customer, getting that foot in the door the first time is very challenging, and it becomes a little bit easier each time to gain another product or another project once a customer knows us and likes us. And I'm probably the least likable person here. So the rest of the team shines in comparison. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:27:56I wouldn't say that. Certainly not to your face, Cameron. Okay, a couple more audience questions here. With the respiratory disease season expected to be stronger this year, do you see any signs of recovery in China? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:28:15Most of our China sales are related to some of the complications downstream of a viral infection. So a viral infection will often lead somebody to then have a bacterial infection in their lungs. So it starts with a cold or a flu and then leads to a pneumonia. And a lot of the sales we've made into China are for the immunologic tests to diagnose pneumonia. So we'll have to see how that goes. And we're trying, it's always tougher when you're once removed from the end-use customer with the distributor. So those clients have to burn through their inventory of tests before they reorder ingredients. So we do see, and we do have some reorders budgeted for fiscal 2026, but at a lower number. And we don't have current plans to build more product than our current inventory of those products. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:29:21I had a follow-on question, which was about your China distributor. Are they shut down permanently or just for the past? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:29:28No, no, no, no. Not shut down at all. This is just that they've seen, and we've seen, a decline in customer orders from that market, but we don't have any indication that the market has gone away, nor has our distributor indicated any plans to exit that market. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:29:48Got it. And your royalties were up quite a bit this quarter from recent quarters. Can you talk a little bit about that and the reasons why? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:29:56Sure. Well, there are two categories of royalties, and I'll ask Jim to go into that without being too prescriptive on names. But we have royalties on antigens that we sell to other parties from which they make their own caps, and that's a bit of historic legacy. And then we also have a royalty stream from prior inventions of Microbix that are used by others specifically. And I think this has been disclosed previously, the target of that, Jim, but this being a rabies vaccine technology on which Microbix receives royalties on an ongoing basis. Jim, do you want to comment on how the accounting of that is treated? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:30:44Sure. Yeah. The one related to the selling of antigens, it's been fairly consistent. So the increase in Q4 has nothing to do with that. It is through the rabies royalties. We only get a report once a year, and as it turns out, it comes in December 16th of every year. We get the final report, so during the year, we accrue for royalties based upon, historically, we've used the prior year's results as what we accrue based upon. As it turns out, when we got the royalty report this year, it was a much stronger year than last year, and that's why we had some incremental revenues that were booked in the fourth quarter. And as we move forward, we'll be utilizing that information for accruals for fiscal 2026, so that should be an increase year-over-year as well. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:31:47No, that's great, Jim. And just this is a technology for creating oral rabies vaccines for feral and wild animals and control of rabies in wildlife and such animal populations. And it's an invention of Microbix going back a number of years that is used commercially by others to create products and support those programs. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:32:19I always learn something new on a Microbix call. I did not expect a bull market for rabies to be today's learning lesson. Who would have thought? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:32:32Yeah. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:32:33I guess be careful out there. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:32:35Absolutely. It's a biological world. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:32:39Okay, so here's a question. How will AI affect your business? Are you seeing any implications? Or on the flip side, are you able to benefit from any of the advances in AI? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:32:52We try to find intelligence in all corners, and sometimes we do. No, for AI, Ken, do you want to touch on that? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:33:03Absolutely. I mean, we have an IT department, so of course, we have an IT, an AI interest. So I mean, AI is being deployed in data analytics. It's being deployed in documentation development. We have to be absolutely sure that our AI tools that we use are protected. So we're not putting our information out there in the worldwide web for people to enjoy. And we're very sensitive to that. But there's a whole load of efficiencies you can bring to bear based on use of AI in understanding the marketplace, understanding operations, understanding efficiencies. And all of these are being deployed. I mean, like I say, we have a very active IT department, and their plans for 2026 are substantially oriented to further implementing AI efficiencies. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:33:53Oh, that's great. I'll just mention something for those that are Luddites such as myself. Some of the AI, you have to be careful with your use of it. If a free software tool says, "This looks like a long document. Would you like us to summarize it for you?" If you click yes, your document is ported up and becomes the property of that free service provider. So just be very careful in what tools you permit yourself to use on this. And we've developed and are developing the appropriate policies with proprietary tools that do not jeopardize the proprietary or confidential nature of our documentation. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:34:38We are fully integrating all our systems, as I've said many times, and we're using AI tools to facilitate that. Obviously, we have developers on staff who know what they're doing, but they know how to deploy these tools. We deal with third-party people that do that as well, again, under the appropriate confidentiality provisions. Yes, AI is unavoidable, and it will facilitate efficiencies in the future. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:34:59Yeah. And we already use some of those, for example, in sequence construct design and some of the deep data analytics that Ken's speaking to. So those are tools we're already familiar with. Jim, anything you'd want to highlight with regards to AI and ERP or some of the other areas? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:35:21No, nothing. I don't want artificial intelligence in our financials, thank you. But certainly, there's opportunities for AI to be utilized within our ERP solutions. And it's like Ken identified, it's an area with our IT department that we're continuing to review. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:35:42We have quite sophisticated expertise in that regard, actually. Yeah. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:35:46Yeah. Very good. Deborah, why don't we roll on? Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:35:52Yeah, sure. For QAPs, is there a client or clients that you expect to be as big with regards to revenue as the major client that terminated the program this year? And when do you expect that client or clients to move to commercial launches? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:36:12It's proven to be perilous to try and predict when clients will move to commercial launches, even based on their own internal targets and expectations. So I think I'll be once burned, twice shy on any such predictions of that nature. But I can say that we're working with many, most, but not all of the largest diagnostics companies in the world currently on programs and projects. And as those tip over, we'll start to see some of those, if we secure the business we're chasing and targeting and deeply engaged with, some of those, yes, can absolutely be as large or larger potentially than the program that was canceled in 2025. So yeah, there's a lot of potential here, and we're pushing hard on that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:37:15This is really where you have to have the capabilities to be at the table, and you've got to have the capacity to be at the table. So those are the investments that we've made in systems and people that enable us to have these conversations. Now locking in the business is going to be the next step. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:37:39Can you talk about the replacement value of Microbix and how investors should think about that in the context of current enterprise value? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:37:48Yeah. This strays into the realm of opinion, of course, Deborah. And we all have some very firm opinions on this. But for somebody to try and start this business with the legacy of knowledge, capability, the seed banks that we've talked about that are all clean title and royalty-free, the history of knowledge and the diversity of skills that we've mastered, both in terms of classical virology, bacteriology, upstream and downstream production methods, synthetic biology now moving into recombinant. I can't imagine that you could even start the business from a cold start in less than five years, probably 10 or more, to get anywhere with unlimited money. So you're looking at a replacement value to me well north of CAD 100 million, maybe even hundreds. It's really extraordinary when we look at the breadth of capability the company has. Ken, would you want to give your opinions? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:39:05I would have answered that exactly the same way. We have in-house expertise, proprietary information, and materials that people just don't have. And the high-titer seeds is a big part of that. But also the years of experience with native antigens and native viruses, native protozoans, native bacteria added to the recombinant and synthetic biology capabilities. These are non-trivial lifts. And we have deep, deep expertise and history here. So I think it would be extremely difficult for anybody to recreate a Microbix in their backyard. And I think we should be pretty comfortable with that reality. So I would have answered pretty much exactly as you did, Cameron. We have a lot of proprietary expertise here. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:39:53Jim, you participate in a lot of our strategic discussions. Do you have any perspectives you'd like to share on this? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:40:02Yeah. I think both you and Ken have identified the key ones. I think in terms of our ability, the stocks, the seed banks, and the importance of those, as well as the people and the knowledge and the know-how and the expertise are all the keys to the value that this company has. And it's all these intangibles that are beyond what sits on the balance sheet. They're strategically important to the organization. And it's value. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:40:34And not only are we making this stuff, we've got the depth of expertise to make it better. We've talked about yield increases. We've talked about understanding the hardwares and the softwares so we have far fewer batch failures and over this year, zero batch failures in really complex processes. And that's a description of the expertise in-house. And again, I can't speak highly enough of the scientific and technical staff at Microbix. And we have a low turnover of those staff members because we have a certain environment, and they appreciate the excellence and the way the excellence is brought to bear. So yeah, we're in a really strong situation here, and that should kind of be trumpeted a little bit, in my view. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:41:11And I think certainly that's been one of the frustrating elements about TSX and capital markets as they now exist, where investors, particularly those individuals with accounts at banks or dealers, for example, are actively discouraged from owning individual small-cap industrial companies. So we have a small market, a generalist-oriented market, or a resource-oriented market, and we're global specialists in this industry. And I think our peers really are recognizing much more of what we have than perhaps the capital markets are right now. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:41:55I had a couple of questions on your cash level. Do you expect this to remain stable moving forward, or will your increased investment eat into the balance over the course of the year until you regain profitability? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:42:07Yeah. We'll see some reduction of cash through fiscal 2026 as we move towards regaining profitability. But we will not go through, and we will not be anywhere near to going through our cash reserves in 2026 based on our current outlook. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:42:28How will that affect your usage of the NCIB? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:42:31It's a great question. Last year, we were able to buy, what was the number, Jim, 12,373 or something a day, and this year, I don't have the final digit in my mind, but it's about 20,000 shares a day. Yeah, a little over 20,000 a day. Our goal with the NCIB is, at a minimum, to offset the ongoing use of the stock option, the rolling stock option plan of 2% per year, and go beyond that, and we bought back, what did we buy back in percentage terms this past 12 months, Jim? It was closer to well over 3% and closer to 4%, I think. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:43:20Yeah. I don't have the exact number off the top of my head. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:43:23It's in our MD&A filings and financial statements, so effectively, 250 trading days a year or close to that, 20,000 shares a day of the about 5 million shares, roughly, that we would be buying back at that sort of run rate of 20,000 a day. We've budgeted about CAD 1 million in spend for the share buyback for this year, this coming year, and we could certainly go higher than that if we see it to be prudent use of capital, but I think that would be the minimum spend we'd look at. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:44:03I suppose it's a bit of a trade-off, right, buying at these levels before the recovery starts to set in versus preserving cash and waiting and buying back. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:44:12Absolutely. And we'll refresh this with our quarterly board meetings as well and loop in the board on this and see based on as we bring in and secure projects that we're working on. I think we'll have ever-growing confidence in that and kind of become more aggressive. But it is striking a balance right now between making sure that we retain a very healthy cash balance in a volatile global environment and effectively using that NCIB. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:44:44Got it. Makes sense to me. Is there any update on the cybersecurity incident and what was actually stolen? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:44:52Yeah. It's interesting when you have these meetings. We had one cybersecurity meeting, and somebody said, "Well, if you could deploy 20 people from your IT team, we could do all this in really short order." We're going, "Yeah, if we had 20 people on our IT team, that would be great." So we've been progressing as quickly as we can on hardening systems and porting them. And I give kudos to Ken and Jim and Mark Luscher, Alex Goksteyn, and others on this. So we had fully hardened our email servers and ported that out of company hands into cloud-based technology there. Likewise, our upgrading of our ERP system to NetSuite, which is also a cloud-based international company system. Likewise, our digital quality management system, MasterControl. So all of those were completely unaffected. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:46:03Where we were penetrated was effectively a legacy server, and that would have potentially some worksheets and files saved over, but it did not in any way disrupt our operations, so we recovered that system from backups and recovery within a couple of days. We were fully back operational with no disruptions whatsoever, but we made the news release alert really because what was, you have a ransomware attack, it's blocked. You're then trying to identify what, if anything, was exfiltrated, so we have now received evidence that some data was exfiltrated, and that included some employee information. So we've moved forward with credit monitoring and protection for all staff, and we just wanted to alert our customers and our shareholders of the event, of course, and that everybody can be more vigilant, but when I talk to peers, I've talked to peers at companies 100 times our size. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:47:12And so they say, "Oh, yeah, we got nailed." Some of them, sometimes they pay, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're able to recover as readily as we were able to. Other times, companies have been massively disrupted. I think there was the example of the entire car dealership network software was hacked and shut down sales and service for the whole industry for a time. Fortunately, we didn't have that. And just for clarity, we did not and have not and do not intend to pay any ransoms for this event or going forward. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:47:50We continue to upgrade our systems, update our systems, and continue with retraining and retraining of staff to make sure that we mitigate the risk as best possible. I mean, we live in the real world here, but we are continuing to monitor the dark web. We're continuing to upgrade our systems and train our staff. And that's what you have to do. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:48:13Yeah. And it's a double-edged sword. You pick up the efficiencies from moving. It would be impossible to scale our business the way we want to purely on paper-based systems. And then as you move into more reliance on software, you've got to then harden the systems appropriately. So it's unfortunate, but this is life in the big city, 21st century. And I think companies of our size have been targeted in some cases because they have a heightened obligation if they have patient-specific medical information. There's a liability associated with that. We don't handle that kind of information, but it may have been one of the reasons why we were targeted with somebody thinking maybe we did. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:49:08Again, going back to my initial comments, I commend you on your rules around disclosure because a lot of companies would not have put out that press release. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:49:17Thank you. Thank you, Deborah. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:49:20Okay. Two more questions. So if anyone has any more, feel free to get them in, and we'll try and wrap by the hour. Bit of a blast from the past. Any progress on VTM sales in Ontario with the new provincial focus on Buy Ontario? Is there anything in the forecast for that? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:49:40Our forecasts only include some sales to private industry, and this is more in the control solution buffer category, different utilization of similar product formulations. We continue to engage with procurement authorities, but it does seem to be a riddle wrapped in a mystery surrounded by an enigma in terms of what some of the practices and motivations are. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:50:13Yeah. And it is good that we hear about Buy Ontario and Buy Canada, and that's great. And when we see a manifestation of that in real life, that would be great too. Talk is cheap. We continue to work in communication and showing the excellent global leadership that we have in this area, and hopefully, Canada and Ontario will buy our stuff soon. We continue to knock on the door. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:50:35Correct. Yeah. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:50:38One last question here. It's an interesting one. With the current U.S. administration focus on deregulation and ease of doing business, do you foresee any possible improvement on timeline for either BLA approval or return to market, especially as this is already an approved drug? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:50:58This is specifically in relation to Kinlytic. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:51:01Kinlytic. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:51:02I think all of our interactions with FDA have been very supportive and very appropriately scientifically oriented, responsibly oriented, and constructively oriented. So really, we'd have nothing but, I think, positive and complimentary comments to make about our FDA interactions. I've not attended those meetings personally, just full disclosure. But from what information I've received from Cameron, from our partners who have attended those meetings, it's just been superlative. So if it gets better from that, great, but no complaints so far. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:51:42I think, yeah, I mean, this is a really great question. I mean, at the end of the day, we're going to update our file and provide data, and FDA has to review it, and they'll take their time. The feedback we've had is they're all now oriented to the market dynamic and the reality of this as an approved product. Let's remember that the current market is served by a monopoly, a single product. And if that goes down, you have nothing. And people are always asking. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:52:06Which it has. Which it has. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:52:08It has gone down. The FDA is well aware of this, and we expect them to continue in the positive way they have previously. If that facilitates the process, so much the better. It's also worth remembering that the European regulators reached out to us to ask us not to forget about them because they have the same monopoly situation. Regulators are well aware of the market dynamic here. I don't think we're going to have a negative interaction with it. But of course, whereas we have to follow through their mechanism and their system once we make our necessary filings. As we sit here today, the interactions with those regulators have been excellent. We hope it will be as expeditious as it's possible to be. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:52:52Yeah, and I think those are two questions because there's the positivity of the interactions, and then there will be the question about what is the speed of the review, so there can be a very positive interaction and then a slower review, but the interactions have been very positive, and we'll see in due course in terms of what the review time of the file is. Part of that will be dependent on the excellence of the submissions, the awareness of the individuals reviewing, and their resources and prioritizations. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:53:29Absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:53:32I had one audience question sneak in. We're just up on the hour. Can you guys go a few minutes over? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:53:38Absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:53:39Okay. Great. So the question is, which KPIs should we keep an eye on in Q1, fiscal 2026? And I think I'd like to expand that just beyond KPIs, also catalysts, and maybe we can talk about full year. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:53:55We have a budgeting cycle going into early fall, sort of August, September, into October timeframe. We have an annual board offsite meeting in November to review, critique, and approve those budget objectives. We're being fully informed of what's happening and what we propose and plan for. There is the approval of that, and our KPIs get reconfirmed based on that. What we're, again, really looking to achieve is to bring the capabilities and capacity we've built to bear. Grabbing hold of new programs with major multinational diagnostics companies is something that's key for us, continuing to build our presence with the PT and EQA provider companies, continuing to grow that piece of our business, continuing, again, the B2B theme to engage with more major international and multinational diagnostics companies on programs particularly oriented in QAPs. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:55:28I think that'll be something we'll look at, and then we're broadening out the tail as well. A lot of our sort of B2C sales to end user clinical laboratories. We're not decades into this business. The awareness of our company among end users has been more limited than among businesses. We're starting to see those more retail-level sales to labs become a significant portion of our business as well. Whereas a major international company might order hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of product from us, a lab might order hundreds or thousands or maybe tens of thousands of dollars from us for one lab, one site in one city. We're starting to see much more of that regular inflow of orders, and that has a strategic value in diversifying our client base as well. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:56:27So I think we'll see a progression of announcements, should we succeed with our objectives in landing new business with major clients. And then we'll see a more regular flow of business from end users as well. Ken, what would you want to highlight as some of the deliverables in 2026? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:56:56I talked about the capacity and capabilities of the business, and I expect to be able to support all of those trajectories that are necessary. We've added the recombinant capabilities now further to our synthetic biology capabilities, which obviously synergizes with our native antigens and natural virology and bacteriology expertise. So that's going to continue on from there. We're going to see progress in the Kinlytic file, and I expect to see much progress in 2026 and lots to be happy about. And of course, 2027, hopefully, will be even better. And so those are natural KPIs. But in terms of supporting the core business, I think we're in really good shape. And to Cameron's point, we're going to be building that business. And really, the operational excellence here is going to maintain the necessary margins to drive the profitability. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:57:54We're also going to see some reduction in costs, I think, or at least in proportion to sales because of the efficiencies we've brought to bear. The electronic quality management system and ERP integrations and the role of quality assurance in that is going to really increase efficiencies as well. So these are all the operational side in support of business development. And they shouldn't be understated. I mean, we have really excellent people doing good work to make sure that we maximize every dollar that we are taking in. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:58:28Jim, what would you want to highlight? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:58:32I think one of the key ones for us is the bounce back in revenues in terms of seeing the revenues and the fruits of our labor over the last number of years in both businesses and seeing that revenues get back up to where we believe that they should be, and I think Ken's identified the costing side of things is that we need to continue to be more efficient and effective and maintain the levels of yields that we have seen in fiscal 2025. They are biological, so it's sometimes difficult to predict, but I think we're getting, from a research and manufacturing perspective, a little bit more stable in terms of our yields and our efficiencies. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:59:21No, that's a great point, Jim. And I'll emphasize as well the capabilities and the capacity that we've brought to bear. All these efficiency matters really drive that ability to scale and credibility to scale to land business with major customers. And one of the things I'll mention as well is the QUANTDx product line. This is the reference materials, higher price point, earlier engagement with asset development with counterparties when they're developing assets and determining limits of detection and doing that development work. This has been an excellent initiative. You'll see some good description of that in our MD&A and in our AIF that'll be filed shortly. And that's already broken into six-figure revenue category. It won't be yet separated out from the QAPs business from reporting. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:00:22But I think we're very satisfied with the engagement level on that new product line already that is generating material revenues for us and just yet another touchpoint of technical excellence with customers and showing real value added for them. And just reflective of the scientific and strategic excellence of our team, which we can't speak highly enough about. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix01:00:54That gives us a good outlook for next year. I don't see any other audience questions. I've run out of my own questions. Was there anything you guys wanted to discuss today that we didn't get a chance to cover? Any last thoughts for the audience? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:01:09I would just thank everybody for your support of our management team and the commitment of your capital. We're building our business for real. We've built real substantial value. And I think we've talked about just how great that value is. And now it's on us to drive the revenue growth to substantiate that thesis. And that's what we're doing and what we're dedicated to doing. So whether it's our diagnostics operations, antigens as ingredients, quality control materials in our quality assessment products and QUANTDx lines, and Kinlytic. So these are all real tangible value that we're building. And we look forward to seeing that more fully reflected in our stock price across 2026. And thank everybody again. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix01:02:11Yeah. Well, thank you, Cameron, Ken, and Jim. Appreciate your time. Thank you to the audience members for your time and your questions. And yeah, I guess we can leave it there. I hope you all have a very nice Christmas, New Year's, Hanukkah, whatever you celebrate. Happy holidays. And thanks again for supporting the Food Bank Drive. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:02:32No, thank you, Deb. Great initiative. Delighted to do so. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix01:02:35Thanks, Deb. Take care. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix01:02:36Bye, Jim. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:02:37Thanks, everyone. Take care. Bye. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:00:00Respiratory disease this past season, which reduced the need for tests and, in turn, our test ingredients. We also had a major client very abruptly announce the termination of a multi-hundred million dollar instrument development program that we were supporting that occurred at the start of June. That really impacted our Q3, where we were expecting to see stocking deliveries and in Q4, particularly. We're now in that process of building back with new clients and new projects that we have been working on but are not all yet ripe to announce. Our results that we've just announced for the quarter and for the year are reflective of that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:00:57And maybe I can ask Jim to speak about fiscal 2025 financials before I begin to chat about the many achievements that we've made across the fiscal year and what our outlook is going into 2026 and beyond. Jim, would you like to comment on 2025 fiscal? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:01:19Sure. Thanks, Cameron. Yeah, it was certainly a tale of two halves. We started off the year very well and basically hitting our and/or exceeding our budget in the first half of the year. And it wasn't until we got the sort of unexpected news, both from our distributor in China as well as on our QAPs business, the loss of business of a key customer for one of their projects that had been canceled, which changed things quite significantly in the second half of the year. Overall, for the year, revenues were down 27%. A good chunk of that actually was we had Kinlytic revenues of CAD 4.1 million last year. We didn't have any this year. We didn't expect to have any this year. So that was a good portion of it. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:02:14Plus, we also had these events in the second half of the year that led to the rest of the decline versus last year. If you look at, if you took all of those factors out, the Kinlytic out, the China distribution, the QAPs program cancellation, our revenues in all other areas actually increased 12% during the year. From a margin perspective, we were down from last year at 53% versus 61%. Again, a good portion of last year's strong margin was Kinlytic, which had CAD 4.1 million worth of revenues and very little cost of sales last year. So in comparison, again, we were fairly flat, if not up, on last year's gross margin. And that's coming from we've had a very good year from a process and yield standpoint on our antigens business. And we've seen yields improve quite significantly on a few of our key products. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:03:19And the number of batch failures declined substantially, and in some cases, to zero. So very important for us as we move forward as well. On the OpEx side, we were up 4% on OpEx. Key contributors there were we had lower investment income during the year. Again, decline in interest rates led to that. Although we did make continued investments in trade shows as well as increasing our R&D spend, predominantly in the QAPs area, but spending more there. It was a profitable first half of the year. Unfortunately, a sizable loss in the second half of the year. Our expectation is, as we go into 2026, which I think Cameron will focus on a little bit later, we expect to see some improvements in all areas. We did maintain a cash balance. We've got a strong balance sheet. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:04:22We maintained a cash balance of over CAD 12 million at the end of the fiscal year. We made sizable investments in our capital equipment and facilities throughout the year as well. So we're poised to enter, or we've already entered 2026 at this point in time. We're almost finished Q1, but we're entering it in a strong position and looking forward to our 2026. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:04:51That's great, Jim. Thank you. I think that's the clarifications that you've made there are excellent. Last, if we look at our fiscal 2024 and remove the CAD 4.1 million in Kinlytic milestones, we achieved revenues of CAD 21.3 million from recurring product sales and royalties in that year. We were looking to grow beyond the total CAD 25.4 million inclusive of Kinlytic in 2025 based on the outlook we had for all of our different clients. But with two major clients falling off the table, we effectively went from CAD 21.3 million down to CAD 18.6 million in terms of recurring revenues and royalties. So again, while it's not what we were looking for, it's a very solid performance from our team. And as you pointed out, Jim, if we remove those variables, we grew in sales of pretty much every category and customer outside of the two problematic instances. So very good context on there. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:06:10Some of the achievements we've made across fiscal 2025, I think, are very good to call out. I'll think to calendar year because it's in my mind rather than fiscal for the achievements now that we're in December, but we've announced our intention to onboard full recombinant antigen capabilities to add to our longstanding native antigen capabilities. That program has been moving forward through the year, and I think we'll soon have some progress reports on that. We've continued our strong support of industry and public health with regards to potentially emerging respiratory pandemics and respiratory illness with new products in H5N1 put to market and as well H3N2 most recently, which is this season's emerged flu strain that is the latest clade that's driving infections. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:07:13We've announced support for cervical cancer screening in multiple countries all throughout the Indo-Pacific through our collaboration with the Australian Centre for the Prevention of Cervical Cancer. Our partner on Kinlytic has engaged the drug product manufacturing contract development and manufacturing organization to help drive that program forward. Work continues with Ken's firm support on that program, and I'll ask him to speak to that as well as OpEx generally. We've had multiple new program and product collaborations with our proficiency testing and external quality assessment scheme providers in infectious diseases, in oncology, molecular pathology, and genetics testing, which broadens out our addressable markets again beyond our traditional strength in infectious diseases in relation to QAPs. We strengthen our supply chains with our exclusive supply agreement to access the more than 100-year-old collection of pathogens at the Bulgarian National Centre for Infectious and Parasitic Diseases in Bulgaria. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:08:31We launched our new QUANTDx reference materials product line, which potentially may become as important for the company on a revenue basis as QAPs has become for us, and further test manufacturer collaborations, most recently with Sekisui for point of care tests being marketed in the United States and with Seegene with respect to cervical cancer screening in Mexico, a population of 140 million, so tremendous fundamental achievements through the year that I think are important to call out. Ken, what would you most want to talk about from an operations point of view in terms of what we achieved in fiscal 2025, and for that matter, some of what you see for 2026? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:09:22I think it's quite apparent that we're in excellent shape operationally at Microbix. We have the capacity necessary to fulfill our market desires in the next little while, and we've also built capabilities from there. We have an ongoing focus on operational excellence. We've seen batch yields increase. We've seen batch failure rates reduced, and that, of course, reduces costs and increases margins. We've also been working hard on further implementing aspects of our electronic quality management system and connecting that with our ERP system to further increase efficiencies. We've added new capabilities. We talked about the recombinant protein program, which adds in addition to our native antigen program, and that is going extremely well. The first product will be ready for prime time imminently, but there's a whole pipeline behind that. That's just a description of the scientific excellence we have at Microbix. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:10:22And so from a capacity perspective, from a capability perspective, we continue to grow. I don't really have anything negative to say in this regard. All we've seen is increased yields and reduced costs. And I think that's the way it's going to stay, and we'll be able to support our business growth in the future. That's for operations in general. I think we're in really excellent shape right now. And kudos to all the staff for doing that because we're replete with outstanding scientific leadership and scientific support throughout this company. And the increased yields and reduced costs are a manifestation of that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:10:59Oh, very good, Ken. Thank you. I think that really highlights how we have entered into fiscal 2026 with incredibly strong capabilities with an absolutely marvelous team, great capacity that we have to bring to bear. I will say as well a very rich business development pipeline. There are multiple new products and programs that we're working on with both existing and new customers. I'll just remind everyone that our policy is we announce programs when they are effectively signed, sealed, and delivered, not when we're discussing or negotiating with partners on them. As those come to full fruition and with the consent of our partners, we'll make those disclosures as and when we pull things over the line with our partners. Very good position in that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:12:00For our financial goals for fiscal 2026, really what we're seeing and we've seen in Q4 is this is beginning our recovery from the revenue setback that began in Q3, leading to our below, certainly our target full year results for fiscal 2025. And I think across fiscal 2026, we'll continue to build out that recovery quarter by quarter and be looking to regain quarterly profitability likely in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026 is what on the order of what we're targeting. That really would represent a growth of approximately 30% from the quarterly low point of CAD 3.5 million that we had in Q3. So if we were just flat across fiscal 2026, we'd have revenues of CAD 14 million. We will not be with revenues of CAD 14 million. We'll be substantially higher than that from everything we see in our current outlook. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:13:07And this, again, our outlook is based on projects that have already been signed, sealed, and delivered. We can look at, say, what product is going to be ordered, what quarter by what customer. We don't speculate on things that are not yet fully delivered. Some of our work across 2026, as Jim stated, and we should emphasize, we continue to have sufficient financial resources to fully execute. That's both in terms of our cash on the balance sheet, which, as Jim had mentioned, was over CAD 12 million at the end of our fiscal 2025, September 30th, 2025. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:13:53I'll just remind folks that we also have an undrawn mortgage facility on our owned facility, and that could be up to CAD 8 million drawable off that, plus an undrawn line of credit, which could be up to CAD 4 million, depending, of course, on a loan credit lending formula with the bank. So altogether, at September 30, we could have access to up to CAD 24 million in further funds before we would need to tap a dollar of new equity. So that's very much not on the table to issue equity. And in fact, you've seen the recent renewal of our normal course issuer bid. That's the technical name for share buyback program. And we're actually able to proceed, should we choose, at a higher level of daily purchases for the renewal that we had available across fiscal 2025. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:14:54So again, very positive from an operational point of view and very bright prospects that we're looking at going forward. So I think that would conclude my comments, and I just thank everybody for their engagement and support as we've continued to build the strength of Microbix in terms of our capabilities, our capacity. And I'm just delighted to see more large multinational companies relying on Microbix as a critical supply chain partner for QAPs and for antigens and for more touch points such as our reference materials as they get into assay development. We're becoming much more known across the industry and recognized and respected. And I think that is a great way to continue building value for shareholders. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:15:50And then, of course, we have the very substantial kicker with Kinlytic that's continuing to advance towards the filing of a supplemental BLA with the United States Food and Drug Administration. And we're continuing to target the advancement of that, the refreshing and renewal and updating of drug substance manufacturing is progressing. And we'll hopefully have some update disclosures from that in the first half of this calendar year that will fiscal calendar 2026. And that continues to have tremendous revenue potential through royalties, recurring royalties and one-time sales and regulatory achievement-driven milestone payments. That is sort of the turbocharger supercharger on a very nice V8 engine that we've built and are now putting gas into. So with that, that would be the conclusion of my comments. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:16:51Jim and Ken, did you have any further comments you'd want to make before Deborah may ask some questions and open it up to those on the call? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:17:04The only thing I would add, I forgot to say when I was talking about general operations, was we also have a focus on automation, as you would expect, as part of efficiency increments in Microbix. That's initiative both within manufacturing and QC, the highly scientific disciplines, and of course, fed by R&D and engineering, ongoing and continuing to drive efficiencies at Microbix. The basic operational side, no doubt, we'll get to Ken. Let Ken take the floor. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:17:32That's so great because that liberates our staff to do work with their minds more than their hands and gives everybody the potential to do their best work, best and most fulfilling work. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:17:46Absolutely. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:17:46Jim, what would you want to flag? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:17:50No, I don't have anything else, Cameron, to add to this. I'm more than happy to answer any questions that anyone that's on the line has regarding the financials. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:17:59Okay. Thank you. Deborah, what would you want to ask before we open it up to the audience? Any questions that you've had? Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:18:08I mean, for me, I would just like a bit of a more detailed update on Kinlytic and timelines and catalysts. I know, Ken, you've walked us through the process many times, but it'd be good to just kind of hear the updated timelines that you're seeing. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:18:23I saw some specific questions in the Q&A. I thought we were going to talk then. I'm happy to update now if the group would like it. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:18:31Okay. Sure. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:18:32It's quite straightforward. As everyone knows, we're working with Sequel, and the relationship is excellent. We're moving forward in updating, as per FDA's request, at the U.S. FDA's request, production processes to contemporary standards. That involves reducing animal components in there and increasing the veracity, if you like, of testing. We're moving forward, it appears. We're currently scaling up processes with two separate CDMOs, contract development and manufacturing organizations. One for drug substance, the active ingredient, one for drug product, which is the finished and filled and packaged product. These are moving forward at a pace. In fact, we're expecting to be going back to the FDA. Well, we are going back to the FDA early in the new year specifically to update them on the work we've done in bringing the process up to contemporary standards. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:19:25Because recall, of course, the original Kinlytic process was in the early 2000s, and here we sit at the end of 2025. This work has gone extremely well, and we don't expect to be anything contentious in that. It's mainly an update. They asked us to improve the processes. We've done that, and now we're implementing it at commercial scale along the timelines discussed. So we talked about filings in 2026, 2027. That remains the case, and we're moving forward at a pace. So I really don't have anything negative to say about this. This is mainly an engineering function now, and we're going forward with our two CDMOs and with Sequel, as we said we would. So that's really the update. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:20:09The fact that we have concluded the work in bringing the process up to contemporary standards is a milestone, and it's a milestone that will be reflected in our discussions with FDA. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:20:25Small clarification, Ken, you stated filings in 2026 or 2027. I think there would be interactions in 2026, but not a filing. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:20:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. Updates and future updates to the file, of course. Kinlytic is already approved. It's already approved drug with decades of clinical success. And as I say many times here, I've said many times on this type of forum, there's no chance of clinical failure because there's 20 years of clinical success. What we're doing is bringing new manufacturing to bear and adding to the currently approved file. And that's where the interaction with the FDA is going and is going well. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:21:03Yeah. And just to state that the relationship with the partner is excellent, and it's that partner that's providing and it's private equity backers who are providing full project funding. So Microbix participates in the upside of that through one-time milestones, non-recurring milestones that could total up to $31 million. Plus, unless the product completely disappoints in the marketplace, then we'll see a double-digit recurring stream of royalties on all revenues generated from all applications in all markets for the product, starting with the catheter clearance indication in the United States market. But certainly, we hope and our partner hopes that it will go beyond that, both geographically and in terms of the clinical indications for the product. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:21:58And we're working very closely with Sequel and others on the technical and regulatory and market components of this. And absolutely, catheter clearance is only the start, and there are many larger indications and geographies outside of North America that we intend to pursue. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:22:17Deborah, I think that's a good summary, and perhaps you can start to guide us through some of the questions in the queue. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:22:25Yeah, perfect. That covered my question about it as well as an audience one. So one down. So inventories continue to grow. Is there a substantial amount of antigen intended for China in the inventories? Sorry, let me rephrase that. Is there a substantial amount of antigen intended for China in the inventories that is at risk of being written down? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:22:51I think that this is definitely. I was just going to tease Jim that. Do you ever look at inventories? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:22:57No. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:22:58Yeah, very much on Jim's mind across the board. Jim, can you give full context in that, as well as some of the comments on cell bank renewals and how that is treated in inventory? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:23:10Sure. From an antigen standpoint, yeah, there's no question that we ended up with some inventory that we had not necessarily planned on relating to the China distributor because of the sudden shutdown of the business, and we had also been acquiring raw materials to support the anticipated growth and the forecast that they had been providing us with, so we also chose to convert those raw materials into finished goods as well, and both of those in combination led to an increase in inventory, but no, there's no risk of write-down. Antigens, they don't expire. We fully anticipate being able to sell that inventory during the fiscal year as it comes up. So. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:24:02Yeah, just for clarity, for antigens, those materials are kept at -80 and have effectively an infinite or near infinite shelf life. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:24:16Yeah, effectively indestructible. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:24:18Yeah. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:24:18Yeah. The other factor that Cameron mentioned was seed banks. And this was a year of investment in our seed banks and our seed bank inventory. We believe that it was a long-term, and we actually had lobbied to move that into being more of a long-term asset as opposed to inventory. But from an IFRS standpoint, it was deemed that this was still inventory, that it is consumed during production. It's just over a much longer period of time. It's important, but there's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of CAD 750,000 in that increment that belongs to the seed bank. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:25:07Maybe I'll just take a moment to explain what that means for folks that aren't too wholly steeped in our industry. It's a little bit literally like think of it like a seed. These are the cells or viruses or bacteria that will start to grow up and propagate to become the finished antigen products, and in some cases, the finished QAPs, active ingredients. And those are literally like the seed corn that one would sow at the beginning of the season and then harvest after it grows and propagates. So those stalks of seeds will be used over years, sometimes even over a decade or more, and consequently are really a long-term asset in that sense. But they appear in inventory as, I think, in the raw materials category, Jim, and they appear as a current asset under IFRS. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:26:07So it's a little bit of, certainly, we've said it's certainly not intuitive treatment, but it is prescriptive on the accounting standard. So you do see that in the growth in inventory as well. And then just for as we increase the number of SKUs as well in QAPs, particularly, we've been laying in materials, biological materials for those programs, many of which are new programs and new products for different customers. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:26:42All of those seeds and cell banks are stored frozen. Cells are generally stored in liquid in the vapor phase, liquid nitrogen, and seeds generally are stored at -80. Once again, they're pretty much indestructible, and there's no chance of them going off. Of course, that frozen state is monitored in real time. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:27:02Yeah, with uninterruptible power sources and backup, and viral seeds are actually stored in multiple locations as further backup and disaster recovery and business continuity planning. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:27:16Absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:27:18Literally planting seeds for growth. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:27:21Literally, absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:27:24I like to hear that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:27:25Yeah. And just as our products expand and our capabilities expand, and you have one touchpoint with a major international customer, getting that foot in the door the first time is very challenging, and it becomes a little bit easier each time to gain another product or another project once a customer knows us and likes us. And I'm probably the least likable person here. So the rest of the team shines in comparison. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:27:56I wouldn't say that. Certainly not to your face, Cameron. Okay, a couple more audience questions here. With the respiratory disease season expected to be stronger this year, do you see any signs of recovery in China? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:28:15Most of our China sales are related to some of the complications downstream of a viral infection. So a viral infection will often lead somebody to then have a bacterial infection in their lungs. So it starts with a cold or a flu and then leads to a pneumonia. And a lot of the sales we've made into China are for the immunologic tests to diagnose pneumonia. So we'll have to see how that goes. And we're trying, it's always tougher when you're once removed from the end-use customer with the distributor. So those clients have to burn through their inventory of tests before they reorder ingredients. So we do see, and we do have some reorders budgeted for fiscal 2026, but at a lower number. And we don't have current plans to build more product than our current inventory of those products. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:29:21I had a follow-on question, which was about your China distributor. Are they shut down permanently or just for the past? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:29:28No, no, no, no. Not shut down at all. This is just that they've seen, and we've seen, a decline in customer orders from that market, but we don't have any indication that the market has gone away, nor has our distributor indicated any plans to exit that market. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:29:48Got it. And your royalties were up quite a bit this quarter from recent quarters. Can you talk a little bit about that and the reasons why? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:29:56Sure. Well, there are two categories of royalties, and I'll ask Jim to go into that without being too prescriptive on names. But we have royalties on antigens that we sell to other parties from which they make their own caps, and that's a bit of historic legacy. And then we also have a royalty stream from prior inventions of Microbix that are used by others specifically. And I think this has been disclosed previously, the target of that, Jim, but this being a rabies vaccine technology on which Microbix receives royalties on an ongoing basis. Jim, do you want to comment on how the accounting of that is treated? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:30:44Sure. Yeah. The one related to the selling of antigens, it's been fairly consistent. So the increase in Q4 has nothing to do with that. It is through the rabies royalties. We only get a report once a year, and as it turns out, it comes in December 16th of every year. We get the final report, so during the year, we accrue for royalties based upon, historically, we've used the prior year's results as what we accrue based upon. As it turns out, when we got the royalty report this year, it was a much stronger year than last year, and that's why we had some incremental revenues that were booked in the fourth quarter. And as we move forward, we'll be utilizing that information for accruals for fiscal 2026, so that should be an increase year-over-year as well. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:31:47No, that's great, Jim. And just this is a technology for creating oral rabies vaccines for feral and wild animals and control of rabies in wildlife and such animal populations. And it's an invention of Microbix going back a number of years that is used commercially by others to create products and support those programs. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:32:19I always learn something new on a Microbix call. I did not expect a bull market for rabies to be today's learning lesson. Who would have thought? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:32:32Yeah. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:32:33I guess be careful out there. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:32:35Absolutely. It's a biological world. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:32:39Okay, so here's a question. How will AI affect your business? Are you seeing any implications? Or on the flip side, are you able to benefit from any of the advances in AI? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:32:52We try to find intelligence in all corners, and sometimes we do. No, for AI, Ken, do you want to touch on that? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:33:03Absolutely. I mean, we have an IT department, so of course, we have an IT, an AI interest. So I mean, AI is being deployed in data analytics. It's being deployed in documentation development. We have to be absolutely sure that our AI tools that we use are protected. So we're not putting our information out there in the worldwide web for people to enjoy. And we're very sensitive to that. But there's a whole load of efficiencies you can bring to bear based on use of AI in understanding the marketplace, understanding operations, understanding efficiencies. And all of these are being deployed. I mean, like I say, we have a very active IT department, and their plans for 2026 are substantially oriented to further implementing AI efficiencies. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:33:53Oh, that's great. I'll just mention something for those that are Luddites such as myself. Some of the AI, you have to be careful with your use of it. If a free software tool says, "This looks like a long document. Would you like us to summarize it for you?" If you click yes, your document is ported up and becomes the property of that free service provider. So just be very careful in what tools you permit yourself to use on this. And we've developed and are developing the appropriate policies with proprietary tools that do not jeopardize the proprietary or confidential nature of our documentation. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:34:38We are fully integrating all our systems, as I've said many times, and we're using AI tools to facilitate that. Obviously, we have developers on staff who know what they're doing, but they know how to deploy these tools. We deal with third-party people that do that as well, again, under the appropriate confidentiality provisions. Yes, AI is unavoidable, and it will facilitate efficiencies in the future. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:34:59Yeah. And we already use some of those, for example, in sequence construct design and some of the deep data analytics that Ken's speaking to. So those are tools we're already familiar with. Jim, anything you'd want to highlight with regards to AI and ERP or some of the other areas? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:35:21No, nothing. I don't want artificial intelligence in our financials, thank you. But certainly, there's opportunities for AI to be utilized within our ERP solutions. And it's like Ken identified, it's an area with our IT department that we're continuing to review. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:35:42We have quite sophisticated expertise in that regard, actually. Yeah. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:35:46Yeah. Very good. Deborah, why don't we roll on? Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:35:52Yeah, sure. For QAPs, is there a client or clients that you expect to be as big with regards to revenue as the major client that terminated the program this year? And when do you expect that client or clients to move to commercial launches? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:36:12It's proven to be perilous to try and predict when clients will move to commercial launches, even based on their own internal targets and expectations. So I think I'll be once burned, twice shy on any such predictions of that nature. But I can say that we're working with many, most, but not all of the largest diagnostics companies in the world currently on programs and projects. And as those tip over, we'll start to see some of those, if we secure the business we're chasing and targeting and deeply engaged with, some of those, yes, can absolutely be as large or larger potentially than the program that was canceled in 2025. So yeah, there's a lot of potential here, and we're pushing hard on that. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:37:15This is really where you have to have the capabilities to be at the table, and you've got to have the capacity to be at the table. So those are the investments that we've made in systems and people that enable us to have these conversations. Now locking in the business is going to be the next step. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:37:39Can you talk about the replacement value of Microbix and how investors should think about that in the context of current enterprise value? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:37:48Yeah. This strays into the realm of opinion, of course, Deborah. And we all have some very firm opinions on this. But for somebody to try and start this business with the legacy of knowledge, capability, the seed banks that we've talked about that are all clean title and royalty-free, the history of knowledge and the diversity of skills that we've mastered, both in terms of classical virology, bacteriology, upstream and downstream production methods, synthetic biology now moving into recombinant. I can't imagine that you could even start the business from a cold start in less than five years, probably 10 or more, to get anywhere with unlimited money. So you're looking at a replacement value to me well north of CAD 100 million, maybe even hundreds. It's really extraordinary when we look at the breadth of capability the company has. Ken, would you want to give your opinions? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:39:05I would have answered that exactly the same way. We have in-house expertise, proprietary information, and materials that people just don't have. And the high-titer seeds is a big part of that. But also the years of experience with native antigens and native viruses, native protozoans, native bacteria added to the recombinant and synthetic biology capabilities. These are non-trivial lifts. And we have deep, deep expertise and history here. So I think it would be extremely difficult for anybody to recreate a Microbix in their backyard. And I think we should be pretty comfortable with that reality. So I would have answered pretty much exactly as you did, Cameron. We have a lot of proprietary expertise here. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:39:53Jim, you participate in a lot of our strategic discussions. Do you have any perspectives you'd like to share on this? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:40:02Yeah. I think both you and Ken have identified the key ones. I think in terms of our ability, the stocks, the seed banks, and the importance of those, as well as the people and the knowledge and the know-how and the expertise are all the keys to the value that this company has. And it's all these intangibles that are beyond what sits on the balance sheet. They're strategically important to the organization. And it's value. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:40:34And not only are we making this stuff, we've got the depth of expertise to make it better. We've talked about yield increases. We've talked about understanding the hardwares and the softwares so we have far fewer batch failures and over this year, zero batch failures in really complex processes. And that's a description of the expertise in-house. And again, I can't speak highly enough of the scientific and technical staff at Microbix. And we have a low turnover of those staff members because we have a certain environment, and they appreciate the excellence and the way the excellence is brought to bear. So yeah, we're in a really strong situation here, and that should kind of be trumpeted a little bit, in my view. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:41:11And I think certainly that's been one of the frustrating elements about TSX and capital markets as they now exist, where investors, particularly those individuals with accounts at banks or dealers, for example, are actively discouraged from owning individual small-cap industrial companies. So we have a small market, a generalist-oriented market, or a resource-oriented market, and we're global specialists in this industry. And I think our peers really are recognizing much more of what we have than perhaps the capital markets are right now. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:41:55I had a couple of questions on your cash level. Do you expect this to remain stable moving forward, or will your increased investment eat into the balance over the course of the year until you regain profitability? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:42:07Yeah. We'll see some reduction of cash through fiscal 2026 as we move towards regaining profitability. But we will not go through, and we will not be anywhere near to going through our cash reserves in 2026 based on our current outlook. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:42:28How will that affect your usage of the NCIB? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:42:31It's a great question. Last year, we were able to buy, what was the number, Jim, 12,373 or something a day, and this year, I don't have the final digit in my mind, but it's about 20,000 shares a day. Yeah, a little over 20,000 a day. Our goal with the NCIB is, at a minimum, to offset the ongoing use of the stock option, the rolling stock option plan of 2% per year, and go beyond that, and we bought back, what did we buy back in percentage terms this past 12 months, Jim? It was closer to well over 3% and closer to 4%, I think. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:43:20Yeah. I don't have the exact number off the top of my head. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:43:23It's in our MD&A filings and financial statements, so effectively, 250 trading days a year or close to that, 20,000 shares a day of the about 5 million shares, roughly, that we would be buying back at that sort of run rate of 20,000 a day. We've budgeted about CAD 1 million in spend for the share buyback for this year, this coming year, and we could certainly go higher than that if we see it to be prudent use of capital, but I think that would be the minimum spend we'd look at. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:44:03I suppose it's a bit of a trade-off, right, buying at these levels before the recovery starts to set in versus preserving cash and waiting and buying back. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:44:12Absolutely. And we'll refresh this with our quarterly board meetings as well and loop in the board on this and see based on as we bring in and secure projects that we're working on. I think we'll have ever-growing confidence in that and kind of become more aggressive. But it is striking a balance right now between making sure that we retain a very healthy cash balance in a volatile global environment and effectively using that NCIB. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:44:44Got it. Makes sense to me. Is there any update on the cybersecurity incident and what was actually stolen? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:44:52Yeah. It's interesting when you have these meetings. We had one cybersecurity meeting, and somebody said, "Well, if you could deploy 20 people from your IT team, we could do all this in really short order." We're going, "Yeah, if we had 20 people on our IT team, that would be great." So we've been progressing as quickly as we can on hardening systems and porting them. And I give kudos to Ken and Jim and Mark Luscher, Alex Goksteyn, and others on this. So we had fully hardened our email servers and ported that out of company hands into cloud-based technology there. Likewise, our upgrading of our ERP system to NetSuite, which is also a cloud-based international company system. Likewise, our digital quality management system, MasterControl. So all of those were completely unaffected. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:46:03Where we were penetrated was effectively a legacy server, and that would have potentially some worksheets and files saved over, but it did not in any way disrupt our operations, so we recovered that system from backups and recovery within a couple of days. We were fully back operational with no disruptions whatsoever, but we made the news release alert really because what was, you have a ransomware attack, it's blocked. You're then trying to identify what, if anything, was exfiltrated, so we have now received evidence that some data was exfiltrated, and that included some employee information. So we've moved forward with credit monitoring and protection for all staff, and we just wanted to alert our customers and our shareholders of the event, of course, and that everybody can be more vigilant, but when I talk to peers, I've talked to peers at companies 100 times our size. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:47:12And so they say, "Oh, yeah, we got nailed." Some of them, sometimes they pay, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're able to recover as readily as we were able to. Other times, companies have been massively disrupted. I think there was the example of the entire car dealership network software was hacked and shut down sales and service for the whole industry for a time. Fortunately, we didn't have that. And just for clarity, we did not and have not and do not intend to pay any ransoms for this event or going forward. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:47:50We continue to upgrade our systems, update our systems, and continue with retraining and retraining of staff to make sure that we mitigate the risk as best possible. I mean, we live in the real world here, but we are continuing to monitor the dark web. We're continuing to upgrade our systems and train our staff. And that's what you have to do. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:48:13Yeah. And it's a double-edged sword. You pick up the efficiencies from moving. It would be impossible to scale our business the way we want to purely on paper-based systems. And then as you move into more reliance on software, you've got to then harden the systems appropriately. So it's unfortunate, but this is life in the big city, 21st century. And I think companies of our size have been targeted in some cases because they have a heightened obligation if they have patient-specific medical information. There's a liability associated with that. We don't handle that kind of information, but it may have been one of the reasons why we were targeted with somebody thinking maybe we did. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:49:08Again, going back to my initial comments, I commend you on your rules around disclosure because a lot of companies would not have put out that press release. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:49:17Thank you. Thank you, Deborah. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:49:20Okay. Two more questions. So if anyone has any more, feel free to get them in, and we'll try and wrap by the hour. Bit of a blast from the past. Any progress on VTM sales in Ontario with the new provincial focus on Buy Ontario? Is there anything in the forecast for that? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:49:40Our forecasts only include some sales to private industry, and this is more in the control solution buffer category, different utilization of similar product formulations. We continue to engage with procurement authorities, but it does seem to be a riddle wrapped in a mystery surrounded by an enigma in terms of what some of the practices and motivations are. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:50:13Yeah. And it is good that we hear about Buy Ontario and Buy Canada, and that's great. And when we see a manifestation of that in real life, that would be great too. Talk is cheap. We continue to work in communication and showing the excellent global leadership that we have in this area, and hopefully, Canada and Ontario will buy our stuff soon. We continue to knock on the door. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:50:35Correct. Yeah. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:50:38One last question here. It's an interesting one. With the current U.S. administration focus on deregulation and ease of doing business, do you foresee any possible improvement on timeline for either BLA approval or return to market, especially as this is already an approved drug? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:50:58This is specifically in relation to Kinlytic. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:51:01Kinlytic. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:51:02I think all of our interactions with FDA have been very supportive and very appropriately scientifically oriented, responsibly oriented, and constructively oriented. So really, we'd have nothing but, I think, positive and complimentary comments to make about our FDA interactions. I've not attended those meetings personally, just full disclosure. But from what information I've received from Cameron, from our partners who have attended those meetings, it's just been superlative. So if it gets better from that, great, but no complaints so far. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:51:42I think, yeah, I mean, this is a really great question. I mean, at the end of the day, we're going to update our file and provide data, and FDA has to review it, and they'll take their time. The feedback we've had is they're all now oriented to the market dynamic and the reality of this as an approved product. Let's remember that the current market is served by a monopoly, a single product. And if that goes down, you have nothing. And people are always asking. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:52:06Which it has. Which it has. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:52:08It has gone down. The FDA is well aware of this, and we expect them to continue in the positive way they have previously. If that facilitates the process, so much the better. It's also worth remembering that the European regulators reached out to us to ask us not to forget about them because they have the same monopoly situation. Regulators are well aware of the market dynamic here. I don't think we're going to have a negative interaction with it. But of course, whereas we have to follow through their mechanism and their system once we make our necessary filings. As we sit here today, the interactions with those regulators have been excellent. We hope it will be as expeditious as it's possible to be. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:52:52Yeah, and I think those are two questions because there's the positivity of the interactions, and then there will be the question about what is the speed of the review, so there can be a very positive interaction and then a slower review, but the interactions have been very positive, and we'll see in due course in terms of what the review time of the file is. Part of that will be dependent on the excellence of the submissions, the awareness of the individuals reviewing, and their resources and prioritizations. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:53:29Absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:53:32I had one audience question sneak in. We're just up on the hour. Can you guys go a few minutes over? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:53:38Absolutely. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix00:53:39Okay. Great. So the question is, which KPIs should we keep an eye on in Q1, fiscal 2026? And I think I'd like to expand that just beyond KPIs, also catalysts, and maybe we can talk about full year. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:53:55We have a budgeting cycle going into early fall, sort of August, September, into October timeframe. We have an annual board offsite meeting in November to review, critique, and approve those budget objectives. We're being fully informed of what's happening and what we propose and plan for. There is the approval of that, and our KPIs get reconfirmed based on that. What we're, again, really looking to achieve is to bring the capabilities and capacity we've built to bear. Grabbing hold of new programs with major multinational diagnostics companies is something that's key for us, continuing to build our presence with the PT and EQA provider companies, continuing to grow that piece of our business, continuing, again, the B2B theme to engage with more major international and multinational diagnostics companies on programs particularly oriented in QAPs. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:55:28I think that'll be something we'll look at, and then we're broadening out the tail as well. A lot of our sort of B2C sales to end user clinical laboratories. We're not decades into this business. The awareness of our company among end users has been more limited than among businesses. We're starting to see those more retail-level sales to labs become a significant portion of our business as well. Whereas a major international company might order hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of product from us, a lab might order hundreds or thousands or maybe tens of thousands of dollars from us for one lab, one site in one city. We're starting to see much more of that regular inflow of orders, and that has a strategic value in diversifying our client base as well. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:56:27So I think we'll see a progression of announcements, should we succeed with our objectives in landing new business with major clients. And then we'll see a more regular flow of business from end users as well. Ken, what would you want to highlight as some of the deliverables in 2026? Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:56:56I talked about the capacity and capabilities of the business, and I expect to be able to support all of those trajectories that are necessary. We've added the recombinant capabilities now further to our synthetic biology capabilities, which obviously synergizes with our native antigens and natural virology and bacteriology expertise. So that's going to continue on from there. We're going to see progress in the Kinlytic file, and I expect to see much progress in 2026 and lots to be happy about. And of course, 2027, hopefully, will be even better. And so those are natural KPIs. But in terms of supporting the core business, I think we're in really good shape. And to Cameron's point, we're going to be building that business. And really, the operational excellence here is going to maintain the necessary margins to drive the profitability. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix00:57:54We're also going to see some reduction in costs, I think, or at least in proportion to sales because of the efficiencies we've brought to bear. The electronic quality management system and ERP integrations and the role of quality assurance in that is going to really increase efficiencies as well. So these are all the operational side in support of business development. And they shouldn't be understated. I mean, we have really excellent people doing good work to make sure that we maximize every dollar that we are taking in. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:58:28Jim, what would you want to highlight? Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix00:58:32I think one of the key ones for us is the bounce back in revenues in terms of seeing the revenues and the fruits of our labor over the last number of years in both businesses and seeing that revenues get back up to where we believe that they should be, and I think Ken's identified the costing side of things is that we need to continue to be more efficient and effective and maintain the levels of yields that we have seen in fiscal 2025. They are biological, so it's sometimes difficult to predict, but I think we're getting, from a research and manufacturing perspective, a little bit more stable in terms of our yields and our efficiencies. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix00:59:21No, that's a great point, Jim. And I'll emphasize as well the capabilities and the capacity that we've brought to bear. All these efficiency matters really drive that ability to scale and credibility to scale to land business with major customers. And one of the things I'll mention as well is the QUANTDx product line. This is the reference materials, higher price point, earlier engagement with asset development with counterparties when they're developing assets and determining limits of detection and doing that development work. This has been an excellent initiative. You'll see some good description of that in our MD&A and in our AIF that'll be filed shortly. And that's already broken into six-figure revenue category. It won't be yet separated out from the QAPs business from reporting. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:00:22But I think we're very satisfied with the engagement level on that new product line already that is generating material revenues for us and just yet another touchpoint of technical excellence with customers and showing real value added for them. And just reflective of the scientific and strategic excellence of our team, which we can't speak highly enough about. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix01:00:54That gives us a good outlook for next year. I don't see any other audience questions. I've run out of my own questions. Was there anything you guys wanted to discuss today that we didn't get a chance to cover? Any last thoughts for the audience? Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:01:09I would just thank everybody for your support of our management team and the commitment of your capital. We're building our business for real. We've built real substantial value. And I think we've talked about just how great that value is. And now it's on us to drive the revenue growth to substantiate that thesis. And that's what we're doing and what we're dedicated to doing. So whether it's our diagnostics operations, antigens as ingredients, quality control materials in our quality assessment products and QUANTDx lines, and Kinlytic. So these are all real tangible value that we're building. And we look forward to seeing that more fully reflected in our stock price across 2026. And thank everybody again. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix01:02:11Yeah. Well, thank you, Cameron, Ken, and Jim. Appreciate your time. Thank you to the audience members for your time and your questions. And yeah, I guess we can leave it there. I hope you all have a very nice Christmas, New Year's, Hanukkah, whatever you celebrate. Happy holidays. And thanks again for supporting the Food Bank Drive. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:02:32No, thank you, Deb. Great initiative. Delighted to do so. Jim CurrieCFO at Microbix01:02:35Thanks, Deb. Take care. Deborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at Microbix01:02:36Bye, Jim. Cameron GroomeCEO at Microbix01:02:37Thanks, everyone. Take care. Bye. Ken HughesCOO at Microbix01:02:38Bye-bye.Read moreParticipantsAnalystsJim CurrieCFO at MicrobixKen HughesCOO at MicrobixCameron GroomeCEO at MicrobixDeborah HonigHead of Investor Relations at MicrobixPowered by