Highwoods Properties Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good morning. Thank you for attending today's Highwoods Properties Q4 twenty twenty four Earnings Call. My name is Tamiya, and I will be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Brendan Mayeronner, Chief Financial Officer.

Operator

You may proceed.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on the call this morning are Ted Klink, our Chief Executive Officer and Brian Leary, our Chief Operating Officer. For your convenience, today's prepared remarks have been posted on the web. If you have not received yesterday's earnings release or supplemental, they're both available on the Investors section of our website at highwoods.com. On today's call, our review will include non GAAP measures such as FFO, NOI, and EBITDAIR.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

The release and supplemental include a reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Forward looking statements made during today's call are subject to risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are discussed at length in our press releases as well as our SEC filings. As you know, actual events and results can differ materially from these forward looking statements, and the company does not undertake a duty to update any forward looking statements. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ted.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Thanks, Brendan, and good morning, everyone. Before I talk about our exceptional fourth quarter and full year of leasing, I'd like to start by outlining the significant growth potential we have over the next few years. First, we have significant upside potential in our core operating portfolio. For several years, we've been transparent about large customer move outs that we knew would be occurring in late twenty twenty four and early twenty twenty five. These are now upon us, which has, as anticipated, driven occupancy well below stabilized levels and resulted in temporarily low NOI, FFO and cash flow.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Importantly, the bulk of this vacancy is concentrated in four core buildings, some of which have already been backfilled, but where occupancy hasn't yet commenced and others where we have good prospect activity. Compared to our 2025 outlook, these four buildings have over $25,000,000 of stabilized annual NOI upside and even more meaningful growth in annual cash flow. Second, we have significant upside potential as our development pipeline continues to deliver and stabilize. We have two development properties that have delivered, but haven't yet stabilized, GlenLake 3 in Raleigh and Grand Park 6 in Dallas. But where leasing activity is robust

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

with

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

142,000 square feet signed in the last quarter alone and strong prospects for additional space. The annual NOI upside upon stabilization of these two high quality development projects compared to our 2025 outlook is nearly $10,000,000 Importantly, because we're no longer capitalizing any costs on these projects, all NOI growth will drop to the bottom line FFO and cash flow. Plus, we have two additional developments, 23 Springs in Uptown Dallas and Midtown East and Tampa's Westshore BBD that will deliver this year and are projected to generate over $20,000,000 of annual NOI upon stabilization. Third, we have significant upside potential from future investments. We believe there will be compelling acquisition opportunities during 2025.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

As you know from last Monday's press release, in late twenty twenty four and early twenty twenty five, we proactively raised $215,000,000 with non core dispositions and equity issued through our ATM program to bolster our dry powder. We expect to deploy this capital during the year by acquiring high quality assets with strong cash flows and meaningful long term upside. None of this potential future growth is included in our initial 2025 FFO outlook. Given the embedded upside within our operating portfolio and development pipeline, combined with meaningful dry powder, we couldn't be more excited about the next few years. Now turning to our fourth quarter and full year 2024 performance.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

The fourth quarter was a repeat of the first three quarters of twenty twenty four. Solid financial results coupled with very strong leasing activity, which sets the foundation for growth in late twenty twenty five and beyond. In the fourth quarter, we delivered FFO of $0.85 per share, in line with our outlook, including a $0.01 of non cash write offs that were not in our outlook. For the full year, FFO was $3.61 per share, almost 2% higher than the midpoint of our original outlook provided last February, despite selling over $100,000,000 of non core properties and interest rates that remained higher than expected, neither of which were included in our original outlook. Our robust leasing volume and economics were the standout of the fourth quarter and full year.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

During the quarter, we leased 1,300,000 square feet of second gen space, including 370,000 square feet of new leases plus nearly 100,000 square feet of net expansions. For the year, our second gen new leasing volume was 1,600,000 square feet, our highest volume in ten years. Our total second gen leasing volume for the year was 4,000,000 square feet and our weighted average lease term was seven point five years, the highest in our history. This strong volume combined with lengthy terms demonstrates that businesses are willing to commit to their in office workplace strategy if they can secure commute worthy buildings in BVD locations with financially strong landlords. To this end, during the year, we signed second gen leases that equate to total cash rent of $1,000,000,000 which is another record for Highwoods.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

And we signed an additional $140,000,000 of total rents through first gen deals. During the fourth quarter, we renewed our two largest remaining 2026 expirations, both in Raleigh for over 200,000 square feet combined. Securing these two renewals leaves us with limited large role in 2026. Starting with the second half of twenty twenty five and extending over the next several years, our rollover exposure is very manageable with very few known move outs. This optimistic outlook coupled with the significant volume of signed leases in 2024 that haven't yet commenced gives us confidence that we'll see meaningful growth in occupancy, NOI and cash flow as we get into late twenty twenty five and beyond.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Turning to investments. Last week, we announced the sale of $166,000,000 of non core properties in Tampa and Raleigh. These include a 170,000 square foot non core office building in North Raleigh for 21,400,000 in the fourth quarter and three non core buildings comprising 616,000 square feet in Tampa for $145,000,000 in early February. These properties, which were 88% occupied and 36 years old on average, sold for a combined cash cap rate of 7.8% on projected 2025 NOI. These disposition proceeds are an attractive source of capital as we look to recycle into new investments over time.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

We're targeting up to $150,000,000 of additional non core dispositions this year. Any future sales aren't likely to close until after mid year and are not included in our FFO outlook. In December, we acquired fee simple title to the land underneath our Century Center assets in Atlanta, which consists of 1,700,000 square feet of office and 13 acres of developable land. Fee Simple ownership provides us long term flexibility and certainty. We believe there will be attractive acquisition opportunities over the next few years for well capitalized owners such as Highwoods.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

As always, we'll be disciplined allocators of shareholder capital. You can expect any new investments will improve our overall portfolio quality, enhance our long term growth rate and strengthen our cash flows. Our development pipeline is now 59% leased, up from 49% last quarter as we signed 161,000 square feet of first gen leases. We're seeing the most activity at our two completed, but not yet stabilized properties, Lynn Lake 3 in Raleigh and Granite Park 6 in Dallas. These properties, which are still one year away from projected stabilization, are combined 52% leased with healthy prospect activity.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Our initial twenty twenty five FFO outlook is $3.26 to $3.44 per share. The outlook includes the approximate $0.1 per share short term dilutive effect from the $166,000,000 of recent asset sales, the $52,000,000 of equity raised in late twenty twenty four and the purchase of the ground at Century Center. Our same property cash NOI growth outlook is negative 2% to negative 4%. We believe 2025 will be a temporary trough before resuming our trajectory of consistent same store growth. Before I turn the call over to Brian, I want to further highlight why we're so optimistic about the next few years at Highwoods.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

First, the long term outlook for our markets and BBDs is strong. As you know, there is limited new supply expected to be added over the next few years and high quality blocks of space are being absorbed. Our well located high quality portfolio, reputation as a best in class operator and strong financial sponsorship positions us to gain market share. Second, the volume of leasing completed over the last several quarters combined with limited rollover in late twenty twenty five through 2027 has us positioned to grow occupancy, NOI and cash flow as we move into late twenty twenty five and thereafter. Third, we have several core assets with significant NOI growth potential where we have signed leases that won't contribute meaningfully to 2025 or where prospect activity is strong.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Fourth, our development pipeline will deliver and stabilize over the next few years, which we project will result in $30 plus million of NOI above our 2025 outlook. And finally, our balance sheet is well positioned to take advantage of attractive acquisition opportunities we believe will materialize this year. To wrap up, we're not only optimistic because of our markets, portfolio and balance sheet, but also because of our engaged, hardworking and talented teammates who drive our consistent success. I would like to thank our entire Highwoods team for their commitment and tireless dedication. It is their effort that has positioned us so well for the future.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Brian?

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Thank you, Ted, and good morning, everyone. Office market fundamentals continue to strengthen with office employment reaching an all time high and the return to office movement in full swing. Nationally, CBRE reported improvement in The U. S. Office market in the fourth quarter, marking the first decline in the overall vacancy rate in three years.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

For the second consecutive quarter, net absorption outpaced construction completions, with demand for high quality space in prime locations remaining strong. Notably, sublease availability also decreased as space was either reoccupied by sub lessors or absorbed directly in the broader market. CBRE also highlighted a 24% quarter over quarter and 23% year over year increase in national leasing activity and the highest quarterly net absorption total in three years. Leasing momentum remained strong across Highwoods markets. For the first time since the pandemic, positive net absorption for the year surpassed 1,000,000 square feet.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

The under construction development pipeline has significantly diminished with few anticipated starts in 2025. The current construction pipeline represents approximately 1% of existing inventory and is 63% pre leased on average, while the inventory continues to shrink due to conversions and redevelopments. Within our own portfolio and for the full year, we signed 4,000,000 square feet of second generation leases, including 1,600,000 square feet of new deals and 302,000 square feet of expansions. The weighted average lease term reached a record high seven point five years. We ended the year at 87.1% occupancy, over 700 basis points higher than our markets and including signed but not yet commenced leases on vacant space, we ended the year 89.9% leased.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

As expected, year end occupancy dipped due to known fourth quarter expirations. However, the strong leasing activity throughout 2024 positions us for occupancy growth following our long telegraph trough in the first half of twenty twenty five. As Ted noted previously, total rental revenue from second generation leases signed was the highest in our history, which combined with signed first generation leases represents over $1,100,000,000 and is 140% of our current annualized lease revenue. This robust leasing activity provides a strong foundation for the future. Focusing on the quarter, we signed one hundred and six second generation leases totaling 1,300,000 square feet, including 370,000 square feet of new leases.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

This body of work represented nearly 300,000,000 in contracted revenue. 58% of the fourth quarter's deal volume were either new leases or expansions. Being proactive with regard to our forward lease role proved successful in the fourth quarter with major renewals of our largest remaining 2025 and 2026 expirations totaling approximately 300,000 square feet in Nashville and Raleigh. Following our long communicated occupancy low ahead in 2025, we have only one expiration larger than 100,000 square feet through year end twenty twenty seven. On the lease economics front, we achieved net effective rents, which include all leasing costs and concessions that were 3.6% higher than the previous five quarter average.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Raleigh led our leasing volume in the fourth quarter with 285,000 square feet of second generation leases signed in an average nine year term and 17.6% GAAP rent growth. Additionally, first generation leasing at our GlenLake III development drove the assets lease rate from 34% to 56%, while Ted highlighted our 1,600,000 square feet development pipeline's positive leasing momentum, core to our portfolio's commute worthy success is our commitment to being a redeveloper as well. The significant redevelopment or highwidizing of our core portfolio is yielding attractive returns and we are highly focused on deploying this playbook when and where needed. To this end, the highwidizing we completed in Atlanta and Nashville at two Alliance and the former Tivity Building respectively has driven the substantial relet of those buildings. Our planned hybridizing of Symphony Place in Downtown Nashville is being well received by the market.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Symphony Place remains an iconic tower on the Nashville skyline, is built to the highest architectural standards and is the beneficiary of a location with unparalleled regional access and connectivity to all that makes Nashville such a compelling destination for talented organizations and individuals. When our redevelopment is completed in the next year, Symphony Place will feature a collection of curated and talent supportive amenities unmatched in the market. We are encouraged by the early interest in the building and prospect tours to date. From an operation standpoint, 2025 will be a year of unyielding focus on organic growth within the portfolio by leaning in to gain market share and occupancy via our competitive capital advantage, both in lease economics and the ability to reinvest and redevelop our BBD portfolio. Increased occupancy is the clearest pathway for organically growing NOI and driving meaningful FFO growth.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

We closed the year with strong leasing momentum, record setting lease revenue, and a solid foundation for growth. Our strategic investments in redevelopment and proactive leasing initiatives continue to differentiate Highwoods as a leading office owner and operator in our markets. With competitive development pipelines at historic lows and market vacancy peaking, we're well positioned to capitalize on market opportunities through our resilient portfolio, ongoing redevelopment efforts, strong balance sheet, and our owner operator advantage. For all of these reasons, we believe the outlook for Highwoods is bright as we drive long term value for our stakeholders. I will now turn the call over to Brendan.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Thanks, Brian. In the fourth quarter, we posted a net loss of $3,700,000 or $0.03 per share, which included a $24,600,000 impairment charge for 625 Liberty Avenue, formerly known as EQT Plaza in Pittsburgh. FFO was $92,200,000 or $0.85 per share, which does not include the impairment, but does include a $1,000,000 noncash write off of pre development costs. Excluding this write off, which was not factored into our FFO outlook provided in October, our FFO would have been $0.86 per share at the high end of our range. Our balance sheet is in excellent shape.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

We have no debt maturities until a $200,000,000 floating rate term loan matures in the second quarter of twenty twenty six, and we have no other maturities until 2027. During the quarter, we proactively raised just over $50,000,000 of equity through our ATM program at an average gross price of $32.71 per share. In addition, we sold $166,000,000 of non core properties in late twenty twenty four and early twenty twenty five, including $145,000,000 that closed after year end. We also invested a little over $50,000,000 to consolidate fee simple ownership of the ground underneath our Century Center properties in Atlanta. Each of these items creates dry powder for the future.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

With a 45,000,000 of proceeds received from our non core asset sales in Tampa last week, today, we have no balance outstanding on our $750,000,000 revolving line of credit, giving us ample liquidity for future investments and reducing our pro form a debt to EBITDA ratio to 6.1 times from 6.3 times at year end. A few items of note about our recent non core dispositions. The $166,000,000 combined sale price equates to a cash cap rate of 7.8% on projected 2025 NOI and a GAAP cap rate slightly above 8%. The immediate use of proceeds was to reduce the balance on our revolving line of credit, which is temporarily dilutive to near term FFO pending redeployment into new investments. Despite the short term FFO drag, we view these proceeds as an efficient source of capital as the assets sold were older vintage, capital intensive properties in non BBD locations.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Following these dispositions, we expect our cash flows and long term growth rates to be higher while improving the long term resiliency and quality of our portfolio. Now on to our 2025 outlook. Our same property cash NOI outlook is minus 2% to minus 4%. Included in our same property pool are four buildings that are projected to be significantly under occupied with a sharp decline in NOI during 2025. Our historical practice is to keep buildings in the same property pool unless there is a change of use or redevelopment that is so extensive that we move the building to our development page in the SUP.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

The effect of keeping these four properties in our same store pool and the sale of the Tampa assets has reduced our 2025 same property growth projection by approximately 500 basis points. As a reminder, we have grown same property cash NOI for thirteen consecutive years without taking office buildings out of service, and we believe 2025 will be a temporary trough before resuming our trajectory of consistent same store growth. Our average occupancy outlook is 85% to 86.5%. Similar to NOI, we expect occupancy will dip during the first half of the year given the well telegraphed move out Ted mentioned. Occupancy is projected to decrease around 200 basis points from 4Q twenty four to 1Q twenty five and then grow later in the year.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

While we don't provide a year end occupancy range in our outlook, somewhere between 86% to 87% by year end is a likely landing spot for our portfolio. Excluding the recently sold properties in Tampa and the four significantly under occupied buildings I just mentioned, our average occupancy for 2025 would be approximately three fifty basis points higher. As Ted mentioned, our FFO range is 3.26 to 3.44 per share. I'll start with Q4 twenty four as a base for modeling 2025. We reported $0.85 per share of FFO or $0.86 per share excluding the non cash pre development write offs.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Annualizing Q4 and adjusting for traditionally higher G and A in the first quarter due to the expensing of annual equity grants, the Q4 run rate would imply FFO per share for 2025 to be in the low three forties. As noted in the release, the recent dispositions, Century Center ground lease acquisition and equity issuances are expected to have an approximate 10¢ dilutive impact on our 2025 FFO. Since the vast majority of the announced dispositions occurred subsequent to year end, only a modest amount of the dilution was baked into the fourth quarter of twenty twenty four. To say it another way, these items will reduce the annualized fourth quarter run rate by approximately $0.07 to $0.08 per share. NOI is expected to be lower, particularly in the first half of the year due to the occupancy projected I mentioned earlier, but this should be offset by some other income items projected to occur at various points throughout the year.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Putting all of those items together would get us to the midpoint of our 2025 outlook. To be clear, we expect occupancy, NOI, and FFO to start low and improve later in 2025, which should place us on a strong trajectory as we exit the year and move on to 2026. In summary, as Ted mentioned at the beginning of his remarks, we have significant growth potential from three primary areas. First, we have significant organic growth potential through the lease up of high quality core operating properties and strong BBD locations. Second, our development pipeline is projected to drive meaningful NOI and FFO growth with limited Highwoods funding left before completion.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Third and finally, our balance sheet is in excellent shape and well positioned to deploy capital. And this doesn't account for the strong fundamental backdrop we see across our core BBDs. For all of these reasons, we're optimistic about the next several years for Highwoods. Operator, we are now ready for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the Q and A session. The first comes from Michael Griffin with Citi. You may proceed.

Michael Griffin
Michael Griffin
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Great. Thanks. Appreciate the color on the leasing outlook. Heading into 2025. Just wanted to get maybe some more color and context on kind of those larger vacancies, whether it's at EQT, Alliance, the properties in Nashville.

Michael Griffin
Michael Griffin
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Does your leasing expectations for 2025 assume any of those properties have leases executed there? And then would you really need to see that to continue to push positive net absorption within the portfolio?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Michael, hey, it's Brendan. I'll start and then I'll turn it over to Ted and Brian to fill in terms of color. So really there's really not any leasing that is included in the occupancy outlook, in the what we call kind of the four core assets that have significant vacancies. So that's, Alliance Center, Symphony Place, Westwood South and Cool Springs 5. So there's nothing really in there.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

There is some there are some leases that have completed already that will come in late in the year, but the largest of those, the large law firm deal that we did down at Alliance Center that isn't scheduled to commence until 2026.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Yes. Thanks, Brennan. Let me just add a little color. It's Ted. So on each of these core fours, we are recalling it down in Buckhead, Brennan alluded to it, it's the former Novelis space.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

And as you all know, we backfilled a vast majority of that, but it doesn't commence until 2026. So that's sort of largely buttoned up, but it doesn't again, we're not going to see it come through our financials until 2026. The next one would be the Formativity Building in Cool Springs 5. So on that building, we signed 35% of the building. We got strong prospects for another 30% or so.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

And then we've got enough tire tickers that are out there for the remaining space. So we think we're making really good progress on that one as well. And a lot of that won't be some of it will come through this year, but a lot of that's next year as well. Westwood South, it's a 128,000 square foot building. The customer just moved out a few weeks ago, early January, I guess.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

The space is in great condition. The building shows incredibly well. We've got one sizable prospect as well as multiple other small ones. So if you add them all up, it's well more than the entire building. So while it's still early, we've got really good prospect activity there.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

And then the final one is Symphony Place. It's our building down in Downtown Nashville. Bassberry moved out early February. So just a couple of weeks ago, it's 214,000 square feet. And then as you know, Pinnacle Bank will be moving out in the third quarter of this year.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Our privatizing plans are done. Now that Bassberry has moved out, we're going to start swinging hammers in the next month or so. When we're done and Brian alluded to it in some of his prepared remarks, it's going to be one of the most amenitized buildings in all of Nashville. We've got a great basis in the assets. We can be a great value proposition for customers.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Tour activity is picking up, so we're encouraged there as well.

Michael Griffin
Michael Griffin
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Thanks, Ted. Appreciate all the color there. And then I think it's encouraging you guys are looking to pivot to offense and these acquisition opportunity sets that you highlighted. Can you give us a sense of the type of buildings that you're targeting for potential acquisitions? Are they more stabilized?

Michael Griffin
Michael Griffin
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Could there be a value add component if you use your hybridizing secret sauce? And then as it relates to kind of proceeds to fund these acquisitions, obviously, you've got the dispo proceeds and the equity. I guess my question there and this is probably better for Brendan, but why not maybe execute on more non core sales as opposed to issuing equity just given where you all are trading relative to NAV?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Hey, Michael. I'll start off and then turn over to Brendan on the funding. So on the acquisitions side, I think you're probably aware. We look at everything that's out there from core to opportunistic. We always just look at the risk adjusted returns and how comfortable are we on wherever on the spectrum the acquisition may be.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So we've seen some high quality buildings trade in the last few months. We've also seen some have gotten pulled because sellers haven't achieved their pricing expectations. But we think there's going to be opportunities out there, whether it be core or opportunistic that meet our expectations on that. So we're pretty excited about it. It's going to be similar playbook as we use coming out of the GFC where we bought a lot of stabilized assets as well as some opportunistic assets.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

We're looking to improve the quality of the portfolio, improve our growth rate and improve our cash flows.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Then Michael, just in terms of the capital that we'd be comfortable investing and why not disposition proceeds versus equity. I think we looked at it from a balanced approach. I think we had good visibility in terms of the sale that closed that we announced last week. So that's good proceeds. But then I think we also felt like given the opportunity set that was in front of us, it made sense to create a little bit more dry powder late in the year.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

And so we went ahead and did that. And I think, we think, there'll be likely opportunities as we said, and we think that source of capital will be attractive relative to the use of those proceeds, hopefully later in the year.

Michael Griffin
Michael Griffin
Senior Equity Research Analyst at Citigroup

Great. That's it for me. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Thank you. The following comes from Donald Camden with Morgan Stanley. You may proceed.

Ronald Kamdem
Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director & Head of US REITs and CRE Research at Morgan Stanley

Hey, just a couple of quick ones. So on the just the impairment charge taken on 06/25, just sort of curious any updated thinking of a sale for that asset or what the business plan is going to be for the next couple of years? Thanks.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Hey, Ron. Really no update. As you know, we announced we're getting out of Pittsburgh A Few Years ago and right about the same time capital markets sort of locked up. And then so EQT is a non core asset for us and our long term desire is to get out of Pittsburgh. But as you know, financing for big assets in secondary markets is still very difficult.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So it's still on our dispo list at the right time, but we're going to be patient.

Ronald Kamdem
Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director & Head of US REITs and CRE Research at Morgan Stanley

Great. And then just my second one, I know the focus is on leasing this year, both on the Core four as well as some of the development assets. Just wondering if any sort of changes in strategy this year, whether it's more TIs or going after smaller users, like any sort of big picture changes to the leasing strategy this year versus last year? Thanks.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Not really. I mean, I think we're going to take what we can get out there. Obviously, we've got a very robust spec suite program that's been very successful for us for many years that chases the small customers that want to cut down the time it is, the time to get in their space. So that's been a great program for us. But our sweet spot continues to be that 5,000 to 15,000 square foot user.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

The last couple of quarters, we have seen the return of larger prospects, companies that are ready to make their decisions if they can get into really good buildings. So we've had a lot of success the last five quarters. We've had robust leasing and we're just hoping that's going to continue and certainly don't think there's any reason why it won't. I think at the end of the day, we did have towards the end of last year, we had a couple of big ones because it got done right before the end of the year, which maybe brought up our stats a little bit. But our pipeline remains robust, tour activity is good and we expect this year to be similar to the last few years.

Ronald Kamdem
Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director & Head of US REITs and CRE Research at Morgan Stanley

Great. That's it for me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rob Stevenson with Janney Montgomery. You may proceed.

Robert Stevenson
Managing Director at Janney Montgomery Scott

Good morning, guys. I think the federal government's 2.5% of your revenue, can you just talk about what the biggest leases are there and if any of that stuff is in the departments that are on the TrumpMusk hit list at this point?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Hey, Rob, it's Ted. So it's pretty diverse exposure we have. It's 2.5%, two point six %, I think you'll see in the SOP. It's pretty diverse in that it's 20 different agencies over 30 leases. The largest is in CDC and I don't know if that's on the list or not, but we're actually encouraged by we think it's primarily essential agencies and there's a lot of firm term as well.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So we don't have a ton of exposure from our perspective. Those 30 plus leases are spread out across five different markets. So it's just not a lot of exposure overall.

Robert Stevenson
Managing Director at Janney Montgomery Scott

Okay. That's helpful. And then can you talk about the core markets where you're expecting the best relative operating performance in 2025 and which markets are likely to be a little bit more challenged at least relatively in 2025 in your view?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

And specifically regarding leasing, is that what you're talking about?

Robert Stevenson
Managing Director at Janney Montgomery Scott

Operating fundamentals, pricing, demand, etcetera, however you want to count the operating fundamentals, just what's having the likely to have the best traction in 2025 in which you're sort of more stuck in neutral in 2025 in your view?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Sure. I think as we look at our markets, I think all of them are on a recovery phase. I think there will be different trajectories of the recovery. But Nashville, if you look at Suburban Nashville in particular has been a really good market for us. Downtown, I think, is the supply finally caught or yes, supply finally caught up with demand, if you will.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So downtown has been a little softer, although as we talked about with Symphony Place, we're starting to see more activity. Charlotte has been a really good market for us. It just stays full, not a lot of construction going on. Then you got to go drill down to specific submarkets, I think as well as important. Dallas, if you look at Dallas, the headlines are Dallas is pretty soft.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

But if you drill down to the Uptown submarket and even the activity we're seeing up in Plano and Frisco, it's very, very robust. I think you saw the movement we the activity we had Granite Park 6 in the last quarter. We've really materially moved that the needle on occupancy on that development project. So Dallas is actually hanging in there as well. We're seeing good activity in Tampa, made a lot of leasing in Tampa, which enabled us to sell the BayCare portfolio at a great time.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Orlando is hanging in there. I think Raleigh has been a little bit on the softer side, but that's turning around a little bit the last couple of months. So in general, I think again, all of our markets are seeing the recovery. It's just going to be different trajectories.

Robert Stevenson
Managing Director at Janney Montgomery Scott

All right. That's extremely helpful. And then last one for me. Can you talk about what drove the land purchase decision at Century Center? Was that an option that you needed to exercise?

Robert Stevenson
Managing Director at Janney Montgomery Scott

And what does this purchase allow you to do going forward development wise that you wouldn't have been able to do

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

otherwise? Sure. So the Century Center really enables us to consolidate our ownership of the land in the buildings. Rob, it wasn't a we didn't have an option we had to exercise. This is something we went to the landowner and proactively was able to effectuate.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

It just gives us a lot of long term flexibility and also creates some liquidity for those assets. We've done a lot of great leasing there in the last year or so. So we've created a lot of value and we think buying the land enables us to unlock some of that value we've created. It also has got there's 13 acres of undeveloped land that can be monetized. So So we just thought with the leasing we've done, the value we've created, this was a good time to do that.

Robert Stevenson
Managing Director at Janney Montgomery Scott

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The The next question comes from Michael Lewis with Truist Securities. You may proceed.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Thank you. So, Ted might have already answered this. I apologize if you did. But to get from 97% at the end of the year occupancy, down 200 basis points to 85. By my math, FASBAR assumes it's about 90 bps.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

That remaining 110 bps, are there any large tenant spaces in that or is it kind of a confluence of smaller move outs?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

There are some. So there's the building, the full building user in Nashville at the Westwood South Building. So that's about 125,000 square feet. So that's sizable. You've got Pinnacle Bank that we mentioned.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

So that one is a sizable expiration as well. And then there's a handful that are a little bit more modest in size, but are there. So, overall, I think what we've got out of the remaining 2,700,000 square feet of expirations, cumulatively, there's about 2,000,000 of that that will vacate. We have roughly 1,100,000 square feet of leases that are signed that will commence, that but some of which are on currently occupied space that will move out, some of which is on the vacant space that will move in. And then we've got, the remainder is a combination of some spec leasing that we have in the forecast.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

And then you also have about 100,000 square feet of kind of net drag from the sale of the Tampa assets that hit after year end. So all of that kind of gets you to a point where by the end of the year, we do think that year end occupancy will be higher than the average for the year. But we'll probably be somewhere between, kind of call it, probably somewhere between 8687% by year end if things go well.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Okay, got you. And then this question is, I guess, a CapEx question at its core, but the dividend wasn't covered by FAD this quarter. I realize when you do a lot of leasing, you have elevated CapEx. And I see the growth path to cover that dividend. Between now and then, should is the CapEx going to be choppy?

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Should we see bumpy quarters like this quarter was a little elevated? Or how's the CapEx spend going to trend?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Yes, it's a good question. The CapEx is likely to be elevated. And to be clear, it was elevated in 2024 as well, just from all of the leasing that we did. And for the year, still had good positive dividend coverage. And I would say over the past, four years really since the onset of the pandemic, I think our cumulative dividend coverage has been north of $200,000,000 So that is going to bounce around.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

But I think as you get to a point where you're building occupancy and you're signing leases, you get the capital spend before you get the corresponding increase in rents and NOI. And that just takes time to kind of play through. So I think to your point, the coverage is going to be kind of lumpy from quarter to quarter and even for a year or two. But that's a good problem to have as that's going to bring us to stabilization and drive significantly higher NOI and cash flow as we reach those stabilized levels.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Okay. Thanks. And then just one more for me. The press release said development start is unlikely this year. Could you just maybe talk about how far above market the rents would have to be to start a development?

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

It might give us kind of a sense. I assume it's fair that if you can't make the math work, almost nobody probably can. So how far away are we from the math working on a development?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Look, I do think it varies depending on the product. If you want high rise product versus maybe a suburban with surface part, it's going to vary. But it's is it 20% to 30% ish probably depending and we are, you know, we are going through those exercises right now with a few different proposals. We have, Michael, it actually did scare off a couple in the last several months that we chased. They didn't like the numbers, that we are presenting.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So but at the same time, it's encouraging to see we still do have inquiries and we're working on a few build to suits, but it is clearly a top of the market type rent. And that's really not way different even the last several years, probably seven or eight years ago. Any new building you're going to deliver top of the market rents. That spread just maybe a little bit wider today than it had been the last several years.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Great. Thank you. Thank

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Nick Tillman with Baird. You may proceed.

Nick Thillman
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Hey, good morning. Maybe starting off with either Brian or Ted. In the first half of last year, you guys were a little bit more positive on the amount of leasing you're doing, but you thought it was going to taper off into year end. Obviously, you kind of outperformed that today. I guess, looking at your pipeline today, is it logical or do you guys have confidence that you could continue to trend on the new leasing front or like the 400,000 square feet and new leasing per quarter?

Nick Thillman
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

Do you have the right sort of vacancies or where the tenant is today to kind of tailor towards that demand?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Well, just in general, I mean, look, I'm optimistic about 2025. I mean, if you think about the confluence of return to work is continuing, which is going to help leasing, we got a favorable economic backdrop, continuing job and population growth in migration continues in our markets, very little new construction. There's a, subway space is starting to come down, vacancy rates are up and there's still a bifurcation, the market between the haves and have nots. And we've been able to gain market share against some of the have not buildings that are still being sort of stuck in the mud there. I think with all you put all that together, I'm still optimistic that we're going to see very positive leasing.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

We've got some big holes we got to fill. So we still got a lot of work to do. But talking to our leasing agents, the tour activity is good. Our spaces show well. And so I think I'm very optimistic for 2025.

Nick Thillman
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

That's helpful. Nick,

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

it's Brendan. I just want to

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

add on to that. Just to be clear, we don't have 400,000 square feet of new or 1,600,000 square feet of new in our business plan. So if we were able to achieve a replicate kind of 2024 levels into 2025, that's going to drive occupancy significantly higher than kind of what we were talking about for year end and likely would translate into an even faster trajectory in 2026 than what we've got contemplated. So we assumed in our business plan is a moderation of the leasing. But I think to Ted's point, I think we're cautiously optimistic that things could go well in 2025 similar to what they did last year.

Nick Thillman
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

No, that's very helpful. And maybe following up, I kind of have a two parter on just kind of historic demand or retention with that you guys kind of outlined, though, only one tenant over 100,000 square feet expiring here at your 26 now. What's like the historic retention rate you have on kind of those smaller tenants? And then also of the 1,100,000 square feet that signed yet to commence, do you have like kind of rough weighted average of when those leases are expected to commence?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Yes, Nick. So it's our, if you look over kind of time, the rough renewal percentage doesn't change too much between large, medium and small users. We're at around somewhere between 60% to 65%. Now obviously, the closer that you get to expiration and you haven't renewed them early, then the likelihood of renewal goes down. So as we mentioned, we signed our two largest remaining 2026 expirations this quarter.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Those are now out of the '26 numbers, but those have been renewed. So that kind of gives you some color. I do think 2025 happens to be a particularly low retention year for us And we think 2026 will happen to be a particularly high retention year for us just given the uniqueness of the rent roll in those two particular years. So I think we're optimistic that we'll see that occupancy build kind of late this year and then into 2026 that will continue. And then in terms of the 1,100,000 square feet when that moves in, it is more back half weighted than it is in the front half of the year, which is why we think that the occupancy will be low in the beginning part of the year, and then build back kind of late in the year.

Nick Thillman
Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co

That's it for me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Tom Catherwood with BTIG. You may proceed.

Thomas Catherwood
MD & REITs Equity Research at BTIG

Thanks and good morning everybody. Maybe following up on an earlier question on acquisitions and obviously it's impossible to handicap timing, but can you touch on either the markets or submarkets where you see the most potential and any chance we could see you do a discounted note purchase to get access to target properties?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Hey, Tom, it's Ted. Yes, look, obviously, we're looking at opportunities in all of our markets. In particular, I think we're starting to see a few more opportunities in maybe Dallas, Charlotte, Nashville or stuff. And really we're seeing stuff in several of our markets. So we're optimistic.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Not everything that comes out has been selling. That's why I sort of am hesitating a little bit. We've had a few deals that have sold in the last several months that you all have seen, but there's also been several that have been pulled because the seller hasn't met expectations. Every time a seller sees a low cap rate deal trade, they immediately think their assets going to trade at that same low cap rate. So but there's still a bid ask spread to a certain degree on a lot of assets.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So we'll see. I think that's going to just continue to get better over the next couple of quarters. So look, we strongly prefer to acquire assets versus the debt. But if we can see a clear pathway to acquiring the assets, then we would absolutely do that. But just to acquire note for short term, it's not really not something what we want to do.

Thomas Catherwood
MD & REITs Equity Research at BTIG

Understood. Second question for me, maybe Brian, you had mentioned in your prepared remarks targeting improved lease economics and this showed up in higher net effective rents in 4Q. Where are you having the most success on the negotiation front? Is it pulling back on free rent TIs or are you also able to push face rents in specific markets?

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Hey, Tom. Thanks for the question. I think to your last point, we are seeing the ability to push face rents. Our customers that are committed to being back in the office are kind of using that calculus of what the rent is compared to having their people back and the productivity they're getting. So I think they are able to underwrite those rents.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

But I do believe kind of the concession curve is flattening as vacancy has kind of peaked across the markets. Now we're not here to spike the football or anything like that yet because every deal takes longer, every deal is getting negotiated to details that we hadn't thought of before. But I do think as Ted mentioned, those kind of the core markets suburban and urban Nashville, Tampa, Dallas, Charlotte, we've seen the ability to grow those even Atlanta is in bucket is being able to push rents. But it's different customers have different levels or knobs that they're more focused on. Some need to finance their TI and fit up more so through the lease, others have cash and don't want to necessarily do that.

Thomas Catherwood
MD & REITs Equity Research at BTIG

Great. Appreciate the answers. Thanks everyone.

Operator

Thank you. The following question comes from Dylan Berzynski with Green Street. You may proceed.

Dylan Burzinski
Senior Analyst, Office at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Hi guys. Thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to sort of appreciate you guys providing where you think you'll end this year in terms of occupancy and obviously not trying to get too much into 2026. But as you sort of think about the trajectory of that recovery in occupancy, pairing that with your comments, Brandon, about having or likely having a strong amount of retention next year, giving us some of the renewals, pairing that with continuation of strong new lease activity. I mean, is this a scenario where you can sort of get back to the high 80s, low 90s sometime in 2026?

Dylan Burzinski
Senior Analyst, Office at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Or just how should we be sort of thinking about how quickly you guys are able to recoup some of the lost occupancy this year given the known move outs?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Yes, Dylan. It's a good question. And I don't want to get like you said, I don't want to get pinned down and provide 2026 guidance. But I do think that's at '26, I think the back half of 2025 and 2026 set up and even really 2027 look favorable for us. Now that's all dependent on kind of the economic backdrop and assuming leasing activity holds up well across our markets, which we don't have any indication to think that it wouldn't, but certainly a couple of years is a long time period.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

But I think if that's the case, I think we ought to see or I think we're well positioned to drive occupancy pretty steadily higher as we go forward over the next two, two point five years.

Dylan Burzinski
Senior Analyst, Office at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Great. Appreciate that detail. And then I guess moving over to the disposition, specifically the Tampa One, obviously great execution there. Given your comments around these sort of being older assets with deferred CapEx, let's call it. I mean, can you kind of talk about the buyers of those assets?

Dylan Burzinski
Senior Analyst, Office at Green Street Advisors, LLC

Is this a good indication that things are sort of tightening? Or do you guys sort of see this as more one off and this is maybe high net worth money that like the going yield and was okay sort of pain? What is optically a tighter cap rate than one of my expected in the characteristics of these assets?

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Sure. So on specifically with respect to the Tampa assets, that was actually sold to a user, Dylan. They owned it's a user that owns some their main campus is immediately adjacent to this. So it was an expansion really for them for growth for the next multiple years. But in general, for the last couple of years, as we've probably talked about, the buyer pool for a lot of what we're selling is largely non institutional.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

It's high net worth or other private syndicator type buyers, buyers that have got great banking relationships or can close all cash. But I will tell you is what everything we're hearing talking to brokers and seeing out in the market a little bit, there is a lot of institutional capital that's sitting on the sidelines today. And we're starting to see in here that they're starting to chase some of the higher quality office buildings. So I would expect as we move through 2025, there'll be more institutional capital chasing opportunities.

Ronald Kamdem
Ronald Kamdem
Managing Director & Head of US REITs and CRE Research at Morgan Stanley

Perfect. Thanks, Ted.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The following question comes from Yung Koop with Wells Fargo. You may proceed.

Young Ku
Young Ku
Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities

Yes. Great. Thank you. Just a couple of quick ones for me. Brendan, are there any termination fees or land sale gains baked into 2025 guidance?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Young, yes, thanks for the question. There's always a little bit of term fee stuff that we have in there. So I would say nothing that's particularly unusual. There aren't any land sale gains included in the guidance, but there are some what I would call miscellaneous items that are in there. Again, we tend to have that stuff kind of every year, so they'll be a little bit episodic by quarter and maybe a little lumpy, but those are all kind of those are all in there.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

But I would say it's nothing that is uncommon for us on a full year basis.

Young Ku
Young Ku
Equity Research Analyst at Wells Fargo Securities

Got you. Okay. Thank you for that. And just in terms of same store guidance, appreciate the kind of the progression that you provide on occupancy. What kind of growth in OpEx is baked into the same store outlook?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

OpEx on same store is pretty inflationary. So I wouldn't think that there's nothing I would say particularly unusual in the same store outlook with respect to OpEx that tends to track. I think obviously the downdraft in terms of the same store outlook is largely driven by occupancy. And the other thing that I'll mention is we guide to cash same store NOI. And that number is low for the reasons that we talked about for this year.

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

The positive indicator is it is very rare to have GAAP same property NOI be higher than cash same property NOI. You just have a structural disadvantage with first generation leases that are there through development or acquisition because those leases don't provide any year over year growth on a GAAP basis, but grow on average for us call it about 2.5% on a cash basis year over year. And that's about a third of our portfolio. For this year, we actually expect that GAAP same property NOI will be higher than cash same property NOI, which is a good forward indicator of what future same property NOI growth should be.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Okay, got it. Okay. And what's the built in escalator portfolio wide?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

It's around 2.5%.

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
Cyber Security Group Manager at Truist Securities

Got it. Okay, got you. Great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The following question comes from Vikram Malhotra with Mizuho. You may proceed.

Vikram Malhotra
Vikram Malhotra
Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group, Inc.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I just wanted to go back to sort of the confidence in the recovery in the second half both for Highwoods, but also just the markets you referenced activity picking up. Can you share perhaps any large requirements they are perhaps by sector or any public tenancy? And I asked because I know there have been a couple of big requirements that's gone to these economic associations that I know you're in touch with.

Vikram Malhotra
Vikram Malhotra
Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group, Inc.

So I just want to get a sense of like how deep is this and large is the pipeline not just for high words but broadly in the market?

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Hey Vikram, it's Brian. I'll take a shot at this one. The end of the year, big inbounds kind of code name, they kind of got quiet. I think people were waiting to see what happened with the election. But I think we're seeing now first quarter, Nashville, Charlotte, particularly have a number of corporate relo headquarter locations that are looking both urban and suburban.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

So we're receiving inquiries, filling out the potential RFP kind of information. So we take that as a positive one. And those are relocations in from outside of the markets, maybe from Gateway Coastal into our markets. So we do see that as a positive move.

Vikram Malhotra
Vikram Malhotra
Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group, Inc.

Thanks for the color. And then just I guess specifically to the underlying I guess NOI and FFO trajectory, Brendan, I think you had referenced, but I just want to be clear. So as you lose the occupancy, I'm assuming there's margin pressure, pressure on the NOI growth through the first half and then you're saying you would trough in the second half and then ultimately given the leasing the cash flow will pick up in 2026. Is that correct?

Brendan Maiorana
Brendan Maiorana
Executive VP & CFO at Highwoods Properties

Yes, Vikram that's roughly correct. I would say I think trough from an occupancy standpoint and that probably flows into FFO as well, is kind of in first half of the year and then I think some build back as you kind of get later into the year. And then from a underlying cash flow perspective, that does tend to lag, I would say, what your FFO trajectory is just given the spend and then commencement of kind of cash rent. So I think your view on $26,000 is correct.

Vikram Malhotra
Vikram Malhotra
Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group, Inc.

And then just last clarification, obviously, you've telegraphed all the known move outs last year, this year. Anything in '26 that's maybe sizable even like 50,000 plus that's on the fence that maybe a needle mover to the slight recovery into '26 view? Thanks.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

So Vikram, it's Ted. I'll try to take that one. We've got above 50,000. We've really only got four over 50,000 in 2026. So really it's not a lot there.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

And our largest one is a little over 100,000 in 2027. That's the only one we've got greater than 100,000. So really the next two years, when you look at both the size but also our projection on renewal versus vacate, we think retention is going to be a little bit higher on those larger ones the next couple of years, at least based on everything we know today.

Operator

Thank you. The final question comes from Omotayo Okusunyana with Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Omotayo Okusanya
Omotayo Okusanya
Managing Director at Deutsche Bank

Yes. Good afternoon, everyone. As you look through all your BBD markets, curious anything from a regulatory perspective that could potentially impact demand supply fundamentals or leasing economics?

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Hey Tayo, Brian here. Let me take a shot. Thank you for asking that question. That's actually one of the things that we think make our markets and our BBD so compelling is kind of the open for business, government friendly, low cost, right to work markets. So, no, if anything, maybe they're even more open for business or focused on public private partnerships to drive results, economic development, than we've seen in the past.

Brian Leary
Brian Leary
Executive VP & COO at Highwoods Properties

Everything from Nashville, the whole, ballot initiative they passed for the first time a major transportation initiative that's funded through the taxpayers. That's the first time that happens. So you're seeing people leaning in and spending on infrastructure and Nashville are spending billions of dollars in new civic improvements to other areas like Atlanta and Charlotte where the business improvement districts, which are self testing districts have come together with the support of their cities to make big public private partnerships happen. So we're very, very pleased with the work that they're doing and we think it's actually another marker for a differentiating factor for these markets in the DVDs.

Omotayo Okusanya
Omotayo Okusanya
Managing Director at Deutsche Bank

Thank

Omotayo Okusanya
Omotayo Okusanya
Managing Director at Deutsche Bank

you.

Operator

Thank you. There are currently no more questions at this time. I will pass it back over to the team for closing remarks.

Ted Klinck
Ted Klinck
President and CEO at Highwoods Properties

Well, I want to thank everybody for joining on the call today and thank you for your interest in Highwoods. I look forward to next quarter if not seeing you all beforehand. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.

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