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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Urban Edge Properties EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.34Consensus EPS $0.09Beat/MissBeat by +$0.25One Year Ago EPSN/AUrban Edge Properties Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$116.37 millionExpected Revenue$110.79 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$5.58 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AUrban Edge Properties Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date2/12/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, February 12, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Urban Edge Properties Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 12, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Urban Edge delivered 8% growth in FFO as adjusted in 2024 to $1.35 per share, achieving its three-year earnings target one year early, fueled by record leasing volumes and capital recycling. The company executed a record 79 new leases totaling 485,000 sq ft at a 26% same‐space cash rent spread, boosting same‐property occupancy to 96.6% and adding a pipeline expected to generate $25 million in future annual gross rent. For 2025 Urban Edge projects 4%+ FFO as adjusted growth and at least 3.5% same‐property NOI growth, targets 97–98% leased occupancy, plans to recognize $8 million in S&O pipeline rents, and raised its dividend by 12%. Capital recycling remains a focus, with $550 million in acquisitions at ~7% cap rates and $427 million in dispositions at ~5% cap rates over the past 16 months, alongside a $163 million redevelopment pipeline yielding ~15% unlevered returns. Urban Edge has baked in 75–100 basis points of expected credit losses for 2025, reflecting bankruptcies by tenants such as Party City, Big Lots and Blink Fitness, which may pressure short‐term NOI. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallUrban Edge Properties Q4 202400:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings. Welcome to Urban Edge Properties' Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Areeba Ahmed from Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin. Areeba AhmedHead of Investor Relations at Urban Edge Properties00:00:27Good morning and welcome to Urban Edge Properties' 2024 year-end earnings conference call. Joining me today are Jeff Olson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Jeff Mooallem, Chief Operating Officer; Mark Langer, Chief Financial Officer; Rob Milton, General Counsel; Scott Auster, EVP and Head of Leasing; and Andrea Drazin, Chief Accounting Officer. Please note today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements about the company's views of future events and financial performance, which are subject to numerous assumptions, risks, and uncertainties, and which the company does not undertake to update. Our actual results, financial condition, and business may differ. Please refer to our filings with the SEC, which are also available on our website, for more information about the company. In our discussion today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including reference to our 2025 FFO as adjusted targets. Areeba AhmedHead of Investor Relations at Urban Edge Properties00:01:22Reconciliations of these measures to GAAP results are available in our earnings release, supplemental disclosure package, and our April 2023 investor presentation in the investor section of our website. At this time, it is my pleasure to introduce our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Olson. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:01:41Great. Thank you, Areeba, and good morning, everyone. 2024 was a year marked by significant accomplishments for Urban Edge. We continued to outperform expectations and delivered outstanding results, notably increasing FFO as adjusted by 8% for the year to $1.35 per share, allowing us to achieve our three-year earnings target one year ahead of plan. The strong performance has been fueled by our creative capital recycling, record leasing volumes, and new rent commencements. In 2024, we executed a record 79 new leases totaling 485,000 sq ft with a same-space cash rent spread of 26% and achieved a new record for shop occupancy at 91%. Same property portfolio occupancy grew to 96.6%. Our signed but not open pipeline is expected to generate $25 million of future annual gross rent, representing 9% of NOI. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:03:02Our centers are benefiting from improved co-tenancy as we add retailers like Trader Joe's, BJ's Wholesale Club, TJX, Burlington, and Ross, which stimulate higher-quality shop tenants and QSRs like First Watch, Chipotle, Dave's Hot Chicken, Starbucks, and Tatte Bakery & Cafe. These structural shifts in tenancy have lasting benefits in the form of higher rent growth, improved occupancy, and notable value creation as cap rate compression occurs with new dominant anchors and the addition of high-quality shop tenants. We expect the same pattern to occur if we recapture some of the at-risk names in the headlines today. Our development and construction team had a very productive year. We completed $30 million of redevelopment projects expected to generate a 16% unlevered return, and we ended the year with $163 million of anchor repositioning and redevelopment projects expected to generate a 15% unlevered return. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:04:282025 marks the 10-year anniversary of the formation of Urban Edge. It has been rewarding to see us carry out our mission to improve shopping centers located in and on the edge of urban communities. Over the past decade, we have built an exceptional team that has significantly improved our portfolio, adding top retailers who drive traffic and rents while replacing underperforming tenants. Our portfolio is now 80% grocery anchored, with grocers generating average sales of $900 per sq ft, which we believe is the highest in the sector. Since our spin, we have increased portfolio ABR by almost 30%, achieved record leasing volumes in the past three years, simplified our portfolio through capital recycling, and expanded our concentration in the Boston and Washington, D.C. metro markets. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:05:38These accomplishments have significantly improved the strength and stability of our cash flows, and we are optimistic about our growth plans in the next 10 years to continue to add value through disciplined capital allocation and operational excellence. Now, turning to our 2025 outlook, our goals for the year include achieving FFO as adjusted growth of 4% or better while generating same property NOI growth of at least 3.5%. We expect to generate $8 million of gross rents during 2025 from our $25 million signed but not open pipeline and increase our lease occupancy back to our historical high levels of 97%-98%. As a result of our higher earnings and taxable income, we are increasing our dividend by 12%. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:06:46While we do not include any acquisitions or dispositions in our guidance, we are on the hunt for opportunities, and we are hopeful that we will find deals that make sense for our company. Our track record is strong. Over the last 16 months, we have acquired over $550 million in assets at a 7% cap rate, funded in part through $427 million of dispositions at a 5% cap rate. We are proud of our performance over the past decade, and we look forward to continuing our success in 2025. I will now turn it over to our Chief Operating Officer, Jeff Mooallem. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:07:35Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. Fourth quarter, like all of 2024, was a strong one for Urban Edge. We executed on our business plan by improving deal economics, increasing occupancy, recycling capital into better assets, and delivering projects at accretive returns. Let's get into the details of the quarter and the year, and then we can talk more broadly about what we see for 2025 and our path to continued growth. We signed 29 deals in the fourth quarter for over 400,000 sq ft, 16 new leases at a same-space spread of 44%, and 13 renewals at a 12% spread. That brought our total for the year up to 79 new leases totaling just under 500,000 sq ft and 86 renewals for almost 2 million sq ft. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:08:26The overall leasing volume for 2024 was on the high end of our budget, and the spreads of 26% and 9% on new leases and renewals, respectively, were strong. Those rent spreads, along with other critical deal points like providing less tenant allowance capital and generating higher average annual rent increases than in years past, demonstrate our ability to identify and capitalize on the below-market rents embedded throughout our portfolio when those leases come back to us. As Jeff mentioned, in the fourth quarter, those results included new deals with a national grocer, soft good retailers, QSRs, and fitness users, as well as our first pickleball concept lease. Our portfolio same property lease rate now stands at 96.6%, a 30 basis point increase over third quarter and an 80 basis point increase over year-end 2023. We ended 2024 with anchor lease occupancy of 98% and small shop occupancy of 90.9%. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:09:32After gaining 320 basis points in shop occupancy in 2024, we have a clear path in 2025 to an additional 200 to 250 basis points. We'll bring shop occupancy between 93% and 94% for the year and overall occupancy between 97% and 98% by year-end. Demand continues to well outpace supply in our markets, and foot traffic continues to increase, up 3% over last year at our grocery-anchored centers. In the northeast, retail occupancy is at a 10-year high of 95%, and new shopping center construction is at a near-record low, only 0.2% of total supply. Tenant bankruptcies are a reality of our business and will remain so, but increasingly, they are more opportunity than risk. In the locations where we have Party City and Big Lots, for example, we have replacement tenants identified at spreads up to 90%. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:10:31If we're able to get all those spaces back, some replacement tenants will generate strong incremental returns, while some, because of the capital and time, will be a modest return. But all of them will enhance portfolio quality and adjacent leasing as we cycle out older concepts and bring in better operators. We balance all these factors: economic return, quality of operator, tenant mix, cross-shopping appeal when we look at how a tenant bankruptcy will impact our properties. More often than not, getting space back early is a net positive. On the development side, we ended 2024 with a strong in-place pipeline of $163 million at a 15% return, nearly all of it tied to executed leases. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:11:17Our development plans at Sunrise Mall in Massapequa, New York, gained some traction this quarter as well with the announcement from Macy's that they would be closing their store there, leaving only one tenant remaining at the mall. Finally, while we did not acquire or dispose of any assets in the fourth quarter other than the previously announced Village at Waugh Chapel deal in October, we remain very active on both fronts. Cap rates for acquisitions have compressed, with higher-quality assets now trading below 6%, driven in part by institutional investors aggressively entering the retail space and solving for IRRs that are lower than retail historically commanded. On the disposition side, we are under contract to sell a freestanding building and parking field at Bergen Town Center in Paramus to a multi-family developer for a price of $25 million, representing an approximate 4% cap rate on the current in-place NOI. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:12:11I will now turn it over to our Chief Financial Officer, Mark Langer. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:12:16Thanks, Jeff. Good morning. As you just heard, we had another excellent quarter, marking a strong end to the year. We reported FFO as adjusted at $0.34 per share for the fourth quarter and $1.35 per share for the full year, representing 8% growth, likely among the highest rate in our peer group. As expected, our same property NOI growth, including redevelopment, was very strong, up 7.4% compared to the fourth quarter of 2023 due to rent commencements from several new tenants within our S&O pipeline. The increase in FFO and NOI this year was also due to accretive capital recycling, contractual rent bumps, and a 180 basis points increase in same property physical occupancy during the year. Our balance sheet remains strong with over $800 million of total liquidity, including $91 million of cash. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:13:17Our debt maturity profile is in great shape as only 9% of outstanding debt matures through 2026, with only $24 million maturing in December of this year and $116 million maturing in December of 2026. As a result, our earnings have a lot less volatility attributable to interest rates. Additionally, we have made great progress reducing our leverage. Our net debt to annualized adjusted EBITDA is six times, below the 6.5 times target we outlined at our April 2023 Investor Day. Turning to our outlook for 2025, our initial 2025 FFO as adjusted per share guidance is $1.37-$1.42. Key assumptions include our expectation that NOI, including properties in redevelopment, will increase 3.5% at the midpoint of our range. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:14:20In terms of the NOI guidance, we assume total credit losses of 75-100 basis points of gross rents, which incorporates expected rent loss from tenants who have already filed for bankruptcy, including Party City, Big Lots, and Blink Fitness. Our NOI growth assumes $8 million of gross rent is recognized in 2025 from our S&O pipeline. I will point out that almost 75% of this revenue is expected to come online in the second half of the year. Year-over-year NOI growth is also impacted by the outsized collections of more than $1 million we obtained in the first quarter of last year that will not be a recurring item this year. Considering these factors, NOI and FFO growth is expected to gradually build during the year as new rents commence. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:15:16In terms of capital spending, page 29 of our supplement identifies our active redevelopment and reanchoring projects, which stabilize over the next two years. We have $90 million remaining to fund on these projects, and we expect to spend about $75 million during 2025. In terms of maintenance capital, we incurred about $27 million in 2024. As I have messaged on prior calls, we expect this level to decline as our anchor repositioning projects come online, and we have budgeted $15-$20 million of spend for 2025 related to that capital. We continue to carefully manage our internal operating costs. We assume recurring G&A will be $36 million in 2025, flat compared to the prior year and down 4% compared to 2022. We are pleased with the progress we have made streamlining processes and seeking efficiencies, and we'll continue to evaluate ways to lower costs. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:16:24In terms of factors influencing our guidance range, the biggest variables are likely to be actual bad debt and tenant fallout levels, shop leasing activity, and delivering the S&O pipeline to achieve our targeted rent commencement dates. We have not included any lease termination fees or any material non-cash adjustments related to straight-line rents in guidance. As announced in our press release, our board recently approved a 12% increase in our dividend to an annualized rate of $0.76 a share. We have previously stated that we expect the dividend to grow as earnings and taxable income grow, while we focus on preserving free cash flow to fund our active redevelopment pipeline that is generating healthy returns. This new dividend reflects the projected growth in our taxable income in 2025. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:17:19To conclude, we are pleased with the outstanding results we achieved during 2024 and have turned our focus to our leasing pipeline and assessing ways we can achieve our goal to generate earnings and cash flow growth that is distinguished among our peer group. I will now turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:17:42Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the Star keys. Our first question is from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed. Ronald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:18:08Hey, congrats on a great year. Just starting with, I think, a little bit on the same story on NOI. I think you talked about the 75-100 basis points, sort of bad debt, that sort of baked into that. Just wondering how much visibility you have into that. Have you already sort of seen some of the bad debt come through and how that assumption came about? Thanks. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:18:33Sure, this is Mark. We're certainly watching it live. As you know, some of those names are bankruptcies where auctions are happening, so we considered all of that data. If I break down the components for you to answer your question, about 70 basis points of that provision relates to bankrupt tenants, 40 basis points of the provision is kind of the general reserve. Then partially offsetting that is we assume $150,000-$200,000 each quarter for some collections on some old receivables. That nets out and gets you right to our guidance range. Ronald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:19:09Great. Helpful color. And then my second one is just to hear a little bit more commentary on the acquisition pipeline. You guys have had sort of a great 12-18 months. I think you talked about the cap rates are getting pretty competitive, but just wondering what you guys are looking at and what could be done this year. Thanks. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:19:27Yeah. Hi, Ron. It's Jeff. So yeah, I mean, we are seeing more product than we saw last year, and we do expect that there will be more trades that will occur across the country. But it is challenging to make the deals pencil just given the expected cap rates relative to financing costs. We think the best way to leverage this environment, at least for us, is through capital recycling. So when we can pair an acquisition with a disposition at a spread and sell some of our lower growth assets, exchange those for higher growth assets, we think those are the types of trades that make the most sense. And again, if you sort of look back over the last 16 months, we've done about $550 million of acquisitions at an average cap of 7.2%. That CAGR is about 2.5% over the next five years. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:20:26Principally funded with dispositions, so that's $427 million of dispositions over the last 16 months at a cap rate of 5.2, which had a CAGR of about 1%. So those types of deals make a lot of sense, and we are hoping that we're going to find some of those in 2025. Ronald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:20:47Great. That's it for me. Thank you. Operator00:20:52Our next question is from Floris van Dijkum with Compass Point. Please proceed. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:20:59Thanks. Good morning, guys. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:21:02Hi, Flores. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:21:03Capital recycling. Accretive capital recycling is obviously very attractive. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about some of the other, I think you still have six Lowe's boxes. You've got a Kohl's, I think, single-tenant asset, maybe. Talk about what the demand is for that. And obviously, cap rates have compressed a little bit based on your commentary. What do you think the spread would be today if you were to sell some of those drier assets and recycle? Is it going to be as attractive as what you've achieved over the last, call it, 24 months? Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:21:49Yeah. I mean, it was so attractive. It was almost 200 basis points in the last 24 months. I do think it will be more difficult to get that 200 basis points. But we are exploring several deals right now on the disposition front, mostly single-tenant assets that we think will get a cap rate somewhere around, call it, in the 5s. And there may be some larger stable power centers that we own that have great credit but lower growth. And maybe we'll be in the 6-ish% cap rate on those. So the decision really will be made based on what's in our acquisition pipeline and how attractive those assets are relative to what we might be able to dispose of, Floris. So is that $100 million? Is it $200 million? I hope so. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:22:40Fair enough. Fair enough. Let me ask you another question on your redevelopment. I noticed, obviously, you announced the Macy's termination at Sunrise. I don't know if you can make any comments on where that project stands today, and then also talk maybe a little bit about the Bergen Town Center apartments or the sale to an apartment developer and how you're thinking about mixed-use in your portfolio. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:23:12Yeah. So on Sunrise, I mean, we're very excited about our progress. We can't get into more details just because of the confidential nature of our discussions that ultimately will allow us to redevelop the property. We do hope to disclose more later this year on it. In terms of the residential sale, we created a lot of value by entitling that land for about 450 residential units. We felt that the best way to monetize that value was to sell it to a local developer. We will redeploy that capital in a 1031 on an acquisition that we've already made. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:23:54Great. And maybe the last question that I have, as you guys are still continuing to spend on, in particular, Bruckner, as the market strengthens, what happens to your expected returns as the vacancy continues to drop and space gets tighter? Are you seeing more attractive returns, or are the returns being offset by rising costs in construction as well? Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:24:28Hey, good morning, Floris. It's Jeff Mooallem. Yes and yes. We are definitely seeing some better returns. You cited Bruckner as an example. We're out there marketing some still available space, and we're getting very good interest at very good prices, better than we underwrote. But definitely, capital costs erode into some of that return. I would say we feel very good about the 15% unleveraged yield that we're targeting in our development pipeline right now. If anything, we're hoping that comes in a little higher. And when we look further out past 2025, we don't see a reason why that would come down materially. But we're always watching costs. And right now, we're in an interesting time and place with costs. There's a lot of concern about where those are going to go with various government policies. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:25:16I'd say we feel good that we're going to do better than what we budgeted, but costs are definitely hitting the numbers a bit. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:25:24Thanks, Jeff. That's it for me. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:25:27Thank you, Floris. Operator00:25:30As a reminder, this is Star one on your telephone keypad if you would like to ask a question. Our next question is from Samir Khanal with Evercore ISI. Please proceed. Samir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISI00:25:42Yes, good morning. Mark, on G&A, I mean, you've done a good job bringing that down over the last several years. I think the midpoint, when you look at that in 2025, it's also down versus last year. And I think in your opening remarks, you talked about streamlining processes. Maybe expand on that a little bit as we kind of think about G&A not only for 2025 and maybe even years beyond. Thanks. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:26:08Yeah. So there's three prongs that we obviously looked at, Samir, over the last couple of years. One is just the headcount we allocate to different functions. Secondly is what we spend on third parties. We did a deep dive on all consultancy, third-party outsourcing vendors, everything you can imagine, which amounts to big dollars. And that really tied into the last element, which is where we can streamline process. So what I would tell you is it isn't any one thing, Samir, that drove kind of this decline or the stabilization. It was a bunch of some kind of little things, moderate things, where we rebid, aggressively rebid all of those larger third-party contracts. That helped. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:26:54And in terms of streamlining, we are, like many companies, exploring ways and using AI and other RPA-type tools where we're trying to automate things that we were spending 20, 30, 40 hours of manpower on, and we're seeing some very good results. I'm very encouraged by what we're seeing. And that's why I said in my prepared remarks, we're not done. We're continuing to evaluate it. But there were, at this point, going to be smaller gradual changes and not any one big outsized event. Samir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISI00:27:24Okay. Got it. Thank you for that. And then I guess, Jeff, on Sunrise, I mean, with Macy's terminating their lease, is that, I mean, I know it's still early, but will that continue to be sort of retail, or are you considering various uses, alternatives? Just, I don't know, any initial comments would be great. Thanks. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:27:47Hey, good morning, Samir. It's Jeff Mooallem. I'll take it. Look, I think what we've said before and what's still consistent is the 78-acre parcel of land. So it's important that we all think about it as potentially more than one category of use. We're exploring a lot of different things right now. We're very encouraged, as Jeff has said, by the progress we've made. Macy's closing their store there is a big step forward in our development plans. And we're excited for what's to come. Nothing more that we can really say beyond that at this point. But we are hoping that we'll be able to announce something here definitely in 2025. Samir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISI00:28:25Thank you. Operator00:28:29Our next question is from Paulina Rojas with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed. Paulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street Advisors00:28:38Good morning. And you mentioned in your prepared remarks that high-quality centers in your markets are trading below a 6% cap rate. And can you characterize a little more what type of assets can trade at a sub-6 in terms of size, number of boxes, whether it has or not a grocer, and a little more color around that? Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:29:07Hey, good morning, Paulina. Yeah. I think having a grocer is an important component of what we would call maybe a core-plus type asset. Certainly, all the investors today, and we're no different, are looking for growth. So when you combine a good grocer doing good sales and with a reasonable amount of lease term left, call it at least 7 to 10 years of lease term, and growth opportunities through shop space, maybe adding pads, things like that, those are the assets that are really most desirable right now in the market. There's not a lot of them that get circulated. And when they do, there's quite a frenzy over them. So we're hearing guidance from brokers, and we're seeing deals ourselves that are being quoted between a 5.5 and a 6 cap rate range. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:29:51And there is capital out there now that's solving for high single-digit or low double-digit levered IRRs that can afford to pay those prices. It's definitely gotten compressed on the buy side. We did not see those at all a year ago. And to Jeff's point earlier about the 7.2% return on the deals we've been able to buy, we bought really, really well. We bought some assets that today would trade, we're very sure, 50-100 basis points lower than the cap rates at which we purchased them. So the buying has gotten tougher, and there are some assets now that are definitely going to be in the 5s. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:30:28Paulina, maybe one of the best examples is a company that's based out your way, which was $4 billion of a company. I think that's certainly had an impact on the market. Paulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street Advisors00:30:40Yes. Yes, of course. And then, more big picture, how are you seeing your cost of equity today? And as an idea issuing equity, would you consider that as a source of funding for certain acquisitions? Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:31:04I think modestly. I think clearly the best funding source is selling low cap rate, low growth assets, and also some of our non-core assets that could include excess land. That is what we're focused on. But is there room for a modest amount of equity? Maybe, depending upon the deal. Paulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street Advisors00:31:27Okay. Thank you. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:31:29Thank you. Operator00:31:32With no further questions in the queue, I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:31:38Great. Well, thank you for your interest in Urban Edge. We look forward to seeing many of you in Florida at the Citi conference next month. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:47Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. 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Email Address About Urban Edge PropertiesUrban Edge Properties (NYSE:UE) is a publicly traded real estate investment trust (REIT) that specializes in owning, operating and developing grocery-anchored shopping centers. The company was formed in January 2017 as a spin-off from Regency Centers Corporation, establishing an independent platform focused on urban and densely populated markets. As a fully integrated REIT, Urban Edge oversees the acquisition, financing, leasing, redevelopment and management of its retail properties. The company’s portfolio comprises predominantly open-air shopping centers anchored by national and regional supermarket operators. Urban Edge works closely with tenants across grocery, dining, fitness, personal care and services to enhance property performance and create community-oriented retail destinations. Its asset management team pursues selective redevelopment and expansion projects to modernize existing centers, improve tenant mix and capitalize on evolving consumer trends. Urban Edge Properties concentrates its operations in the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic, Florida and Chicago metropolitan areas, where it maintains strong relationships with major regional and national retailers. By focusing on densely populated, high-density trade areas, the company seeks to generate stable rental income and long-term value creation. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings. Welcome to Urban Edge Properties' Fourth Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Areeba Ahmed from Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin. Areeba AhmedHead of Investor Relations at Urban Edge Properties00:00:27Good morning and welcome to Urban Edge Properties' 2024 year-end earnings conference call. Joining me today are Jeff Olson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Jeff Mooallem, Chief Operating Officer; Mark Langer, Chief Financial Officer; Rob Milton, General Counsel; Scott Auster, EVP and Head of Leasing; and Andrea Drazin, Chief Accounting Officer. Please note today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements about the company's views of future events and financial performance, which are subject to numerous assumptions, risks, and uncertainties, and which the company does not undertake to update. Our actual results, financial condition, and business may differ. Please refer to our filings with the SEC, which are also available on our website, for more information about the company. In our discussion today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including reference to our 2025 FFO as adjusted targets. Areeba AhmedHead of Investor Relations at Urban Edge Properties00:01:22Reconciliations of these measures to GAAP results are available in our earnings release, supplemental disclosure package, and our April 2023 investor presentation in the investor section of our website. At this time, it is my pleasure to introduce our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Jeff Olson. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:01:41Great. Thank you, Areeba, and good morning, everyone. 2024 was a year marked by significant accomplishments for Urban Edge. We continued to outperform expectations and delivered outstanding results, notably increasing FFO as adjusted by 8% for the year to $1.35 per share, allowing us to achieve our three-year earnings target one year ahead of plan. The strong performance has been fueled by our creative capital recycling, record leasing volumes, and new rent commencements. In 2024, we executed a record 79 new leases totaling 485,000 sq ft with a same-space cash rent spread of 26% and achieved a new record for shop occupancy at 91%. Same property portfolio occupancy grew to 96.6%. Our signed but not open pipeline is expected to generate $25 million of future annual gross rent, representing 9% of NOI. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:03:02Our centers are benefiting from improved co-tenancy as we add retailers like Trader Joe's, BJ's Wholesale Club, TJX, Burlington, and Ross, which stimulate higher-quality shop tenants and QSRs like First Watch, Chipotle, Dave's Hot Chicken, Starbucks, and Tatte Bakery & Cafe. These structural shifts in tenancy have lasting benefits in the form of higher rent growth, improved occupancy, and notable value creation as cap rate compression occurs with new dominant anchors and the addition of high-quality shop tenants. We expect the same pattern to occur if we recapture some of the at-risk names in the headlines today. Our development and construction team had a very productive year. We completed $30 million of redevelopment projects expected to generate a 16% unlevered return, and we ended the year with $163 million of anchor repositioning and redevelopment projects expected to generate a 15% unlevered return. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:04:282025 marks the 10-year anniversary of the formation of Urban Edge. It has been rewarding to see us carry out our mission to improve shopping centers located in and on the edge of urban communities. Over the past decade, we have built an exceptional team that has significantly improved our portfolio, adding top retailers who drive traffic and rents while replacing underperforming tenants. Our portfolio is now 80% grocery anchored, with grocers generating average sales of $900 per sq ft, which we believe is the highest in the sector. Since our spin, we have increased portfolio ABR by almost 30%, achieved record leasing volumes in the past three years, simplified our portfolio through capital recycling, and expanded our concentration in the Boston and Washington, D.C. metro markets. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:05:38These accomplishments have significantly improved the strength and stability of our cash flows, and we are optimistic about our growth plans in the next 10 years to continue to add value through disciplined capital allocation and operational excellence. Now, turning to our 2025 outlook, our goals for the year include achieving FFO as adjusted growth of 4% or better while generating same property NOI growth of at least 3.5%. We expect to generate $8 million of gross rents during 2025 from our $25 million signed but not open pipeline and increase our lease occupancy back to our historical high levels of 97%-98%. As a result of our higher earnings and taxable income, we are increasing our dividend by 12%. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:06:46While we do not include any acquisitions or dispositions in our guidance, we are on the hunt for opportunities, and we are hopeful that we will find deals that make sense for our company. Our track record is strong. Over the last 16 months, we have acquired over $550 million in assets at a 7% cap rate, funded in part through $427 million of dispositions at a 5% cap rate. We are proud of our performance over the past decade, and we look forward to continuing our success in 2025. I will now turn it over to our Chief Operating Officer, Jeff Mooallem. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:07:35Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. Fourth quarter, like all of 2024, was a strong one for Urban Edge. We executed on our business plan by improving deal economics, increasing occupancy, recycling capital into better assets, and delivering projects at accretive returns. Let's get into the details of the quarter and the year, and then we can talk more broadly about what we see for 2025 and our path to continued growth. We signed 29 deals in the fourth quarter for over 400,000 sq ft, 16 new leases at a same-space spread of 44%, and 13 renewals at a 12% spread. That brought our total for the year up to 79 new leases totaling just under 500,000 sq ft and 86 renewals for almost 2 million sq ft. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:08:26The overall leasing volume for 2024 was on the high end of our budget, and the spreads of 26% and 9% on new leases and renewals, respectively, were strong. Those rent spreads, along with other critical deal points like providing less tenant allowance capital and generating higher average annual rent increases than in years past, demonstrate our ability to identify and capitalize on the below-market rents embedded throughout our portfolio when those leases come back to us. As Jeff mentioned, in the fourth quarter, those results included new deals with a national grocer, soft good retailers, QSRs, and fitness users, as well as our first pickleball concept lease. Our portfolio same property lease rate now stands at 96.6%, a 30 basis point increase over third quarter and an 80 basis point increase over year-end 2023. We ended 2024 with anchor lease occupancy of 98% and small shop occupancy of 90.9%. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:09:32After gaining 320 basis points in shop occupancy in 2024, we have a clear path in 2025 to an additional 200 to 250 basis points. We'll bring shop occupancy between 93% and 94% for the year and overall occupancy between 97% and 98% by year-end. Demand continues to well outpace supply in our markets, and foot traffic continues to increase, up 3% over last year at our grocery-anchored centers. In the northeast, retail occupancy is at a 10-year high of 95%, and new shopping center construction is at a near-record low, only 0.2% of total supply. Tenant bankruptcies are a reality of our business and will remain so, but increasingly, they are more opportunity than risk. In the locations where we have Party City and Big Lots, for example, we have replacement tenants identified at spreads up to 90%. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:10:31If we're able to get all those spaces back, some replacement tenants will generate strong incremental returns, while some, because of the capital and time, will be a modest return. But all of them will enhance portfolio quality and adjacent leasing as we cycle out older concepts and bring in better operators. We balance all these factors: economic return, quality of operator, tenant mix, cross-shopping appeal when we look at how a tenant bankruptcy will impact our properties. More often than not, getting space back early is a net positive. On the development side, we ended 2024 with a strong in-place pipeline of $163 million at a 15% return, nearly all of it tied to executed leases. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:11:17Our development plans at Sunrise Mall in Massapequa, New York, gained some traction this quarter as well with the announcement from Macy's that they would be closing their store there, leaving only one tenant remaining at the mall. Finally, while we did not acquire or dispose of any assets in the fourth quarter other than the previously announced Village at Waugh Chapel deal in October, we remain very active on both fronts. Cap rates for acquisitions have compressed, with higher-quality assets now trading below 6%, driven in part by institutional investors aggressively entering the retail space and solving for IRRs that are lower than retail historically commanded. On the disposition side, we are under contract to sell a freestanding building and parking field at Bergen Town Center in Paramus to a multi-family developer for a price of $25 million, representing an approximate 4% cap rate on the current in-place NOI. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:12:11I will now turn it over to our Chief Financial Officer, Mark Langer. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:12:16Thanks, Jeff. Good morning. As you just heard, we had another excellent quarter, marking a strong end to the year. We reported FFO as adjusted at $0.34 per share for the fourth quarter and $1.35 per share for the full year, representing 8% growth, likely among the highest rate in our peer group. As expected, our same property NOI growth, including redevelopment, was very strong, up 7.4% compared to the fourth quarter of 2023 due to rent commencements from several new tenants within our S&O pipeline. The increase in FFO and NOI this year was also due to accretive capital recycling, contractual rent bumps, and a 180 basis points increase in same property physical occupancy during the year. Our balance sheet remains strong with over $800 million of total liquidity, including $91 million of cash. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:13:17Our debt maturity profile is in great shape as only 9% of outstanding debt matures through 2026, with only $24 million maturing in December of this year and $116 million maturing in December of 2026. As a result, our earnings have a lot less volatility attributable to interest rates. Additionally, we have made great progress reducing our leverage. Our net debt to annualized adjusted EBITDA is six times, below the 6.5 times target we outlined at our April 2023 Investor Day. Turning to our outlook for 2025, our initial 2025 FFO as adjusted per share guidance is $1.37-$1.42. Key assumptions include our expectation that NOI, including properties in redevelopment, will increase 3.5% at the midpoint of our range. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:14:20In terms of the NOI guidance, we assume total credit losses of 75-100 basis points of gross rents, which incorporates expected rent loss from tenants who have already filed for bankruptcy, including Party City, Big Lots, and Blink Fitness. Our NOI growth assumes $8 million of gross rent is recognized in 2025 from our S&O pipeline. I will point out that almost 75% of this revenue is expected to come online in the second half of the year. Year-over-year NOI growth is also impacted by the outsized collections of more than $1 million we obtained in the first quarter of last year that will not be a recurring item this year. Considering these factors, NOI and FFO growth is expected to gradually build during the year as new rents commence. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:15:16In terms of capital spending, page 29 of our supplement identifies our active redevelopment and reanchoring projects, which stabilize over the next two years. We have $90 million remaining to fund on these projects, and we expect to spend about $75 million during 2025. In terms of maintenance capital, we incurred about $27 million in 2024. As I have messaged on prior calls, we expect this level to decline as our anchor repositioning projects come online, and we have budgeted $15-$20 million of spend for 2025 related to that capital. We continue to carefully manage our internal operating costs. We assume recurring G&A will be $36 million in 2025, flat compared to the prior year and down 4% compared to 2022. We are pleased with the progress we have made streamlining processes and seeking efficiencies, and we'll continue to evaluate ways to lower costs. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:16:24In terms of factors influencing our guidance range, the biggest variables are likely to be actual bad debt and tenant fallout levels, shop leasing activity, and delivering the S&O pipeline to achieve our targeted rent commencement dates. We have not included any lease termination fees or any material non-cash adjustments related to straight-line rents in guidance. As announced in our press release, our board recently approved a 12% increase in our dividend to an annualized rate of $0.76 a share. We have previously stated that we expect the dividend to grow as earnings and taxable income grow, while we focus on preserving free cash flow to fund our active redevelopment pipeline that is generating healthy returns. This new dividend reflects the projected growth in our taxable income in 2025. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:17:19To conclude, we are pleased with the outstanding results we achieved during 2024 and have turned our focus to our leasing pipeline and assessing ways we can achieve our goal to generate earnings and cash flow growth that is distinguished among our peer group. I will now turn the call over to the operator for questions. Operator00:17:42Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the Star keys. Our first question is from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed. Ronald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:18:08Hey, congrats on a great year. Just starting with, I think, a little bit on the same story on NOI. I think you talked about the 75-100 basis points, sort of bad debt, that sort of baked into that. Just wondering how much visibility you have into that. Have you already sort of seen some of the bad debt come through and how that assumption came about? Thanks. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:18:33Sure, this is Mark. We're certainly watching it live. As you know, some of those names are bankruptcies where auctions are happening, so we considered all of that data. If I break down the components for you to answer your question, about 70 basis points of that provision relates to bankrupt tenants, 40 basis points of the provision is kind of the general reserve. Then partially offsetting that is we assume $150,000-$200,000 each quarter for some collections on some old receivables. That nets out and gets you right to our guidance range. Ronald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:19:09Great. Helpful color. And then my second one is just to hear a little bit more commentary on the acquisition pipeline. You guys have had sort of a great 12-18 months. I think you talked about the cap rates are getting pretty competitive, but just wondering what you guys are looking at and what could be done this year. Thanks. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:19:27Yeah. Hi, Ron. It's Jeff. So yeah, I mean, we are seeing more product than we saw last year, and we do expect that there will be more trades that will occur across the country. But it is challenging to make the deals pencil just given the expected cap rates relative to financing costs. We think the best way to leverage this environment, at least for us, is through capital recycling. So when we can pair an acquisition with a disposition at a spread and sell some of our lower growth assets, exchange those for higher growth assets, we think those are the types of trades that make the most sense. And again, if you sort of look back over the last 16 months, we've done about $550 million of acquisitions at an average cap of 7.2%. That CAGR is about 2.5% over the next five years. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:20:26Principally funded with dispositions, so that's $427 million of dispositions over the last 16 months at a cap rate of 5.2, which had a CAGR of about 1%. So those types of deals make a lot of sense, and we are hoping that we're going to find some of those in 2025. Ronald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan Stanley00:20:47Great. That's it for me. Thank you. Operator00:20:52Our next question is from Floris van Dijkum with Compass Point. Please proceed. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:20:59Thanks. Good morning, guys. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:21:02Hi, Flores. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:21:03Capital recycling. Accretive capital recycling is obviously very attractive. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about some of the other, I think you still have six Lowe's boxes. You've got a Kohl's, I think, single-tenant asset, maybe. Talk about what the demand is for that. And obviously, cap rates have compressed a little bit based on your commentary. What do you think the spread would be today if you were to sell some of those drier assets and recycle? Is it going to be as attractive as what you've achieved over the last, call it, 24 months? Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:21:49Yeah. I mean, it was so attractive. It was almost 200 basis points in the last 24 months. I do think it will be more difficult to get that 200 basis points. But we are exploring several deals right now on the disposition front, mostly single-tenant assets that we think will get a cap rate somewhere around, call it, in the 5s. And there may be some larger stable power centers that we own that have great credit but lower growth. And maybe we'll be in the 6-ish% cap rate on those. So the decision really will be made based on what's in our acquisition pipeline and how attractive those assets are relative to what we might be able to dispose of, Floris. So is that $100 million? Is it $200 million? I hope so. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:22:40Fair enough. Fair enough. Let me ask you another question on your redevelopment. I noticed, obviously, you announced the Macy's termination at Sunrise. I don't know if you can make any comments on where that project stands today, and then also talk maybe a little bit about the Bergen Town Center apartments or the sale to an apartment developer and how you're thinking about mixed-use in your portfolio. Jeff OlsonChairman and CEO at Urban Edge Properties00:23:12Yeah. So on Sunrise, I mean, we're very excited about our progress. We can't get into more details just because of the confidential nature of our discussions that ultimately will allow us to redevelop the property. We do hope to disclose more later this year on it. In terms of the residential sale, we created a lot of value by entitling that land for about 450 residential units. We felt that the best way to monetize that value was to sell it to a local developer. We will redeploy that capital in a 1031 on an acquisition that we've already made. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:23:54Great. And maybe the last question that I have, as you guys are still continuing to spend on, in particular, Bruckner, as the market strengthens, what happens to your expected returns as the vacancy continues to drop and space gets tighter? Are you seeing more attractive returns, or are the returns being offset by rising costs in construction as well? Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:24:28Hey, good morning, Floris. It's Jeff Mooallem. Yes and yes. We are definitely seeing some better returns. You cited Bruckner as an example. We're out there marketing some still available space, and we're getting very good interest at very good prices, better than we underwrote. But definitely, capital costs erode into some of that return. I would say we feel very good about the 15% unleveraged yield that we're targeting in our development pipeline right now. If anything, we're hoping that comes in a little higher. And when we look further out past 2025, we don't see a reason why that would come down materially. But we're always watching costs. And right now, we're in an interesting time and place with costs. There's a lot of concern about where those are going to go with various government policies. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:25:16I'd say we feel good that we're going to do better than what we budgeted, but costs are definitely hitting the numbers a bit. Floris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass Point00:25:24Thanks, Jeff. That's it for me. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:25:27Thank you, Floris. Operator00:25:30As a reminder, this is Star one on your telephone keypad if you would like to ask a question. Our next question is from Samir Khanal with Evercore ISI. Please proceed. Samir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISI00:25:42Yes, good morning. Mark, on G&A, I mean, you've done a good job bringing that down over the last several years. I think the midpoint, when you look at that in 2025, it's also down versus last year. And I think in your opening remarks, you talked about streamlining processes. Maybe expand on that a little bit as we kind of think about G&A not only for 2025 and maybe even years beyond. Thanks. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:26:08Yeah. So there's three prongs that we obviously looked at, Samir, over the last couple of years. One is just the headcount we allocate to different functions. Secondly is what we spend on third parties. We did a deep dive on all consultancy, third-party outsourcing vendors, everything you can imagine, which amounts to big dollars. And that really tied into the last element, which is where we can streamline process. So what I would tell you is it isn't any one thing, Samir, that drove kind of this decline or the stabilization. It was a bunch of some kind of little things, moderate things, where we rebid, aggressively rebid all of those larger third-party contracts. That helped. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:26:54And in terms of streamlining, we are, like many companies, exploring ways and using AI and other RPA-type tools where we're trying to automate things that we were spending 20, 30, 40 hours of manpower on, and we're seeing some very good results. I'm very encouraged by what we're seeing. And that's why I said in my prepared remarks, we're not done. We're continuing to evaluate it. But there were, at this point, going to be smaller gradual changes and not any one big outsized event. Samir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISI00:27:24Okay. Got it. Thank you for that. And then I guess, Jeff, on Sunrise, I mean, with Macy's terminating their lease, is that, I mean, I know it's still early, but will that continue to be sort of retail, or are you considering various uses, alternatives? Just, I don't know, any initial comments would be great. Thanks. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:27:47Hey, good morning, Samir. It's Jeff Mooallem. I'll take it. Look, I think what we've said before and what's still consistent is the 78-acre parcel of land. So it's important that we all think about it as potentially more than one category of use. We're exploring a lot of different things right now. We're very encouraged, as Jeff has said, by the progress we've made. Macy's closing their store there is a big step forward in our development plans. And we're excited for what's to come. Nothing more that we can really say beyond that at this point. But we are hoping that we'll be able to announce something here definitely in 2025. Samir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISI00:28:25Thank you. Operator00:28:29Our next question is from Paulina Rojas with Green Street Advisors. Please proceed. Paulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street Advisors00:28:38Good morning. And you mentioned in your prepared remarks that high-quality centers in your markets are trading below a 6% cap rate. And can you characterize a little more what type of assets can trade at a sub-6 in terms of size, number of boxes, whether it has or not a grocer, and a little more color around that? Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:29:07Hey, good morning, Paulina. Yeah. I think having a grocer is an important component of what we would call maybe a core-plus type asset. Certainly, all the investors today, and we're no different, are looking for growth. So when you combine a good grocer doing good sales and with a reasonable amount of lease term left, call it at least 7 to 10 years of lease term, and growth opportunities through shop space, maybe adding pads, things like that, those are the assets that are really most desirable right now in the market. There's not a lot of them that get circulated. And when they do, there's quite a frenzy over them. So we're hearing guidance from brokers, and we're seeing deals ourselves that are being quoted between a 5.5 and a 6 cap rate range. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:29:51And there is capital out there now that's solving for high single-digit or low double-digit levered IRRs that can afford to pay those prices. It's definitely gotten compressed on the buy side. We did not see those at all a year ago. And to Jeff's point earlier about the 7.2% return on the deals we've been able to buy, we bought really, really well. We bought some assets that today would trade, we're very sure, 50-100 basis points lower than the cap rates at which we purchased them. So the buying has gotten tougher, and there are some assets now that are definitely going to be in the 5s. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:30:28Paulina, maybe one of the best examples is a company that's based out your way, which was $4 billion of a company. I think that's certainly had an impact on the market. Paulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street Advisors00:30:40Yes. Yes, of course. And then, more big picture, how are you seeing your cost of equity today? And as an idea issuing equity, would you consider that as a source of funding for certain acquisitions? Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:31:04I think modestly. I think clearly the best funding source is selling low cap rate, low growth assets, and also some of our non-core assets that could include excess land. That is what we're focused on. But is there room for a modest amount of equity? Maybe, depending upon the deal. Paulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street Advisors00:31:27Okay. Thank you. Jeff MooallemEVP and COO at Urban Edge Properties00:31:29Thank you. Operator00:31:32With no further questions in the queue, I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks. Mark LangerEVP and CFO at Urban Edge Properties00:31:38Great. Well, thank you for your interest in Urban Edge. We look forward to seeing many of you in Florida at the Citi conference next month. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:47Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJeff MooallemEVP and COOJeff OlsonChairman and CEOAreeba AhmedHead of Investor RelationsMark LangerEVP and CFOAnalystsFloris van DijkumAnalyst at Compass PointRonald KamdemAnalyst at Morgan StanleySamir KhanalAnalyst at Evercore ISIPaulina RojasAnalyst at Green Street AdvisorsPowered by