FinWise Bancorp Q4 2024 Earnings Report

FinWise Bancorp EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.20
• Consensus EPS: $0.27
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.07
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

FinWise Bancorp Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: N/A
• Expected Revenue: N/A
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

FinWise Bancorp Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q4 2024
• Date: 2/3/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, January 30, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 5:30PM ET

FinWise Bancorp (NASDAQ:FINW) operates as the bank holding company for FinWise Bank that provides various banking products and services to individual and corporate customers in Utah. The company offers various deposit products, including interest and noninterest bearing demand accounts, health savings account demand deposits, NOW and money market accounts, and checking and savings accounts, as well as time deposits and certificates of deposits. It also provides loans, including consumer, small business administration, commercial, commercial real estate, and residential real estate loans. In addition, the company offers debit cards, remote deposit capture, online banking, mobile banking, and direct deposit services; and business accounts and cash management services, such as business checking and savings accounts, and treasury services. FinWise Bancorp was founded in 1999 and is headquartered in Murray, Utah.

FinWise Bancorp Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Operator]

Greetings, and welcome to the Finrise Bancorp Fourth Quarter 20 24 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I will now hand the conference over to management to begin their prepared remarks.

[Operator]

Please go ahead.

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us today for FinWise Bancorp's Q4 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Earlier today, we filed our earnings release and investor deck and posted them to our investor website at investors. Finwisebancorp.com. Today's conference call is being recorded and webcast on the company's website, investors. Finwisebancorp.com.

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed today. Forward looking statements represent management's current estimates, expectations

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

and beliefs

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

and FinWise Bancorp assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward looking statements contained in the company's earnings press release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hosting the call today are Kent Landwatter, CEO Jim Noon, President and Bob Wallman, CFO. Ant, please go ahead.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

Good afternoon, everyone. Our solid results for the Q4 capped off another successful year for FinWise, highlighted by significant progress in our goal to expand and diversify our sources of revenue to enhance the company's long term growth. We leveraged the strength of our legacy business with our strategic initiatives and delivered solid financial performance, including a rebound in originations from existing programs, stable revenue and continued growth of our tangible book value per share. Additionally, at the bank level, we remain well capitalized significantly above federal regulatory standards. We are also pleased with the number of new strategic programs we announced in 2024.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

Specifically, we added 4 new lending programs, 2 of which include our credit enhancement product, 1 payments program and 1 credit card program. We continue to see momentum in the pipeline of new programs, particularly as strategic partners are enthusiastic about the benefits that our broader banking and payments platform provides them. On the regulatory front, we remain well positioned to guide FinTechs through a rigorous process to facilitate regulatory compliance, which continues to provide us with a strong opportunity to gain market share. As part of our company culture, we have proactively invested in our compliance and risk management infrastructure for years and have successfully managed many regulatory exam cycles. As of the end of 2024, approximately 38% of our total staff is employed within compliance, risk management, BSE and IT functions.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

Looking ahead, we are very excited about the outlook for our business. And as of now, we expect a gradual progression in growth as we move through 2025. Specifically, we look for our credit enhancement solution to be a meaningful incremental contributor in 2025 and also expect gradual traction in our bin sponsorship and payments initiatives, both of which are now live. We also look for continued stability and originations from existing programs coupled with incremental growth from programs we signed late last year that are expected to scale through the next few quarters. Importantly, BIN sponsorship and payments provide a mid to longer term opportunity for growth, while our credit enhancement product offering represents a more immediate growth opportunity.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

By having these offerings under one roof, we now have the capability to enable the majority of use cases. It also provides us with a more sticky and recurring revenue stream, which would initially start slowly, but then accelerates as our programs start to scale. Lastly, we remain laser focused on generating positive operating leverage. We have completed most of the incremental investments in our new initiatives and expense growth going forward will be mostly production driven. With that, let me turn the time over to Jim Noon, our President.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

Thank you, Ken.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

We are pleased to have originated $1,300,000,000 in loans during the Q4, which brings our total originations for fiscal year 2024 to $5,000,000,000 This is a 16% increase compared to $4,300,000,000 in the prior year. The Q4 of 2024 included a seasonal deceleration in originations from our private student lending programs and did not include any material production from the new loan programs we announced late in 2024. As we have mentioned previously, this is because there is generally a lag of a few quarters from when we announce until when we start to see meaningful origination levels from new partners. Although it's early in the Q1, through the 1st 3 weeks of January 2025, loan originations are tracking at a quarterly rate of $1,300,000,000 As Kent mentioned earlier, we anticipate continued stability in originations from our existing programs and that our new programs will begin scaling up in the next couple of quarters. Our SBA 7 loan originations increased again in Q4 versus Q3 as we continue to see a gradual pickup in qualified applicants driven by slightly lower rates.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

We remain cautiously optimistic that SBA volumes can continue to rebound modestly. We also remain very pleased with the solid growth in our equipment leasing and owner occupied commercial real estate loans as these portfolios continue to deliver stable interest income and solid credit quality to the bank. On a sequential quarter basis, SBA guaranteed balances increased 1.5%. During the quarter, we began selling some of the guaranteed portions of our SBA loans, which led to the pickup in gain on sale income during the quarter. We've communicated in the past that SBA loan sales are a core activity for us as long as market conditions are favorable, which was the case in Q4 and we expect those conditions to continue at least in the near term.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Our overall balance sheet strategy has remained consistent with both strategic lending and SBA lending during the quarter. In strategic program lending, we mostly originate the sale within a few days and the held for sale balances are primarily cash collateralized. In SBA lending, we originate loans which includes a government guaranteed portion and we may retain this or sell this in the secondary market. The retention of the guaranteed portion generates interest income without credit risk. At the end of Q4, our SBA guaranteed balances and our strategic program loans held for sale, both of which carry lower credit risk, made up 45% of our total portfolio.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Moving to credit quality, the provision for credit losses was $3,900,000 in Q4 compared to $2,200,000 in the 3rd quarter. The increase was due primarily to $1,000,000 in net charge offs on the non guaranteed portion of SBA loans, which brings total net charge offs to $3,200,000 for Q4 compared to $2,400,000 in the prior quarter. As we've mentioned in the past, our strict collateral policy generally helps mitigate net charge offs. Non performing loan balances totaled $36,400,000 this quarter versus $30,600,000 in the prior quarter. The $5,800,000 increase from last quarter was lower than the expected $10,000,000 increase we communicated during last quarter's conference call, mostly due to the continued efforts of our portfolio management team in collecting payments on a handful of delinquent accounts.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Importantly, of the $36,400,000 in total NPL balance, dollars 19,200,000 is guaranteed by the federal government and $17,200,000 is unguaranteed. As discussed on prior calls, a higher rate environment can lead to sporadic increases in NPLs. While some accounts are still being impacted by these higher rates, our call report delinquency table for Q4 will show a fairly material decrease in 30 plus day past due balances. This is again due to the efforts of our portfolio management team in collecting payments and working with our customers. However, we continue to point to the higher rate environment impacting NPLs and currently expect roughly $12,000,000 in potential NPA migration during Q1.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Overall, we remain very confident in our portfolio, our underwriting process and our portfolio management practices. And if interest rates decline further, it could have a gradual positive impact on our NPL metrics. Turning to strategic partner updates. We're very pleased with the strong year we had on new strategic partner announcements in 2024. We expect to build on that success in 2025 and we're very optimistic about our pipeline.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Our expectations for 2 to 3 new lending program announcements this year remain intact and we will continue to utilize a thorough due diligence process in launching these programs. Lastly, we mentioned on previous calls that this quarter we would start providing you with some insight into how we generate revenue in our credit enhancement product along with our cards and payments business lines. Page 5 of our updated investor deck published today provides a breakdown of our revenue model by product. As our new products ramp through 2025, we will be able to start providing more details on the progress and traction. To summarize, we are proud of the significant progress we made in 2024 to expand and diversify our sources of revenue through our initiatives and we're very excited about the outlook for 2025 and beyond.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Bob Wallman, to provide more detail on our financial results.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Thank you, Jim. Good afternoon. I will briefly review our Q4 performance and several key financial metrics with discussions where appropriate. In the Q4, we generated net income of $2,800,000 or $0.20 per diluted common share, which brings our full year 2024 earnings per diluted common share to $0.93 One item I would like to call out for the Q4. The 4th quarter results included an $895,000 loss resulting from calling roughly $160,000,000 of higher yielding brokered callable CDs and replacing them with other wholesale funding at a lower rate.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

This charge for the unamortized premium on the callable CDs reduced our other miscellaneous income by $895,000 We consider this item to be a non core reduction of income. Average loan balances including both held for sale and held for investment loans totaled $522,200,000 for the quarter compared to $492,900,000 in the prior quarter. This increase included growth from our SBA 7A commercial leases and consumer programs. Average interest bearing deposits were $355,000,000 compared to $341,200,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter increase was driven primarily by an increase in interest bearing demand deposits, money market accounts and broker time certificates of deposits.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Moving to the income statement. Net interest income for the quarter was $15,500,000 compared to $14,800,000 in the prior quarter, driven by increased volumes in loans held for sale and lower cost of funds resulting from replacing over $160,000,000 of callable CDs with lower cost CDs as interest rates declined, partly offset by increased interest bearing deposits generated to support the asset growth. Net interest margin was 10.0% this quarter compared to the reported 9.70% in Q3 2024. We expect the net interest margin to gradually compress over time driven by our proactive strategy to reduce credit risk in the portfolio. It is worth noting that our SBA portfolio generally floats with prime and resets at the beginning of each quarter, but changes in prime can also affect our net interest margin.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Non interest income was $5,600,000 in the quarter compared to $6,100,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter change was driven primarily by a decline in other miscellaneous income associated with the previously mentioned $895,000 loss from calling our callable brokered CDs, partially offset by higher SBA loan servicing fees and a gain on the sale of a guaranteed portion of SBA loans as we reinitiated selling limited amounts of a guaranteed portion of SBA loans. Positively, strategic program fees were relatively flat quarter over quarter even as we experienced a seasonal deceleration in originations in our student lending programs, which highlights the benefits of our efforts to improve diversification among our strategic programs. Turning to operating expenses. We are pleased with the continued deceleration in the pace of growth in expenses as we had called out in our prior calls.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Non interest income expense in the 4th quarter declined to 13 point $6,000,000 compared to $14,000,000 in the prior quarter. The sequential quarter decline was primarily due to the bonus accrual reversal as performance rewards were determined to be less than previously estimated. Our efficiency ratio improved to 64.2% from 67.5% in the prior quarter. We remain committed to generating positive operating leverage as we move through 2025 and continue to expect incremental headcount related expenses to be more aligned with increases in production. That said, due to the substantial infrastructure build of the past 18 months, we anticipate the efficiency ratio will remain somewhat elevated until we begin to realize revenue associated from the new programs being developed.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Regarding taxes, our effective tax rate was 24.3% for the 4th quarter compared to 25.1% in the prior quarter. We expect the effective tax rate for 2025 to run around 25.0 percent to 25.5 percent. One final item I'd like to call out. This quarter, we began including balance sheet and income statement accounts related to loans with credit enhancement as well as non GAAP disclosures at the end of our earnings release and our investor deck. The additional accounts and disclosures are included to show the impact of our credit enhancement product on the financial statements and various financial metrics.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

While the amounts are currently immaterial, these disclosures will be helpful in understanding FinWise's financial performance as the product likely becomes more material as we move through the year. With that, we would like to open up the call for questions and answers.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Operator?

[Operator]

Thank you.

[Operator]

And our first question comes from the line of Andrew Liesch with Piper Sandler. Please proceed. Hey, guys. Good afternoon.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Hi.

[Andrew Liesch, MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Nice quarter here. I wanted to ask about the loan growth, end of period loan growth in the quarter. It looked like several different portfolio types increased. Was there anything specific driving that on what you decided to retain or client growth? What was the driver between both for the 7% growth?

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Yes. I would say Andrew, hey, this is Jim. I would say you got a minimal increase quarter over quarter in SBA. In the SPHFI, you got a little bit of the same trend that you saw the last quarter over quarter, which is ticked up a little bit. But you do see some growth in our leasing portfolio.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

You also see some growth in the owner occupied commercial real estate portfolio. And we feel really good about both the credit quality there and the overall types of assets that we're generating there.

[Andrew Liesch, MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Got it. So for the full year, the held for investment portfolio was up about 24%. Is that a repeatable number? It sounds like you're getting good traction with originations overall. Just kind of curious how we should be looking at the growth of the on balance sheet loan portfolio.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Yes, I would say, you saw a step up last quarter in the HFS balances and that's really like a derivative of kind of origination activity, right? And you've seen that kind of stepped up and stabilized now

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

for a

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

few quarters. But some of that HFS balance increase that came through last quarter, we said we do expect this again next quarter. And that in fact happened here in Q4. As far as growth rates going forward, a lot of the growth in the portfolio over the last 18 months, Andrew, has come from the SBA guaranteed portions. You did hear us announce that we started some of those guaranteed portion sales here in Q4.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

You also are aware from previous calls and now kind of our plans with the credit enhanced balance sheet. So I think that overall, we do feel really good about the continued growth rate of the portfolio. The mix may shift a little bit as that credit enhanced balance sheet product continues to gain traction here in 2025.

[Andrew Liesch, MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Got it. That's really helpful. Thanks. And then on the strategic program fees holding flat quarter to quarter, even though originations were down, was there anything unique there that kept it up or was it really just the strong business development efforts that you guys have taken on?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Yes. The strategic program fees were flat quarter over quarter, up slightly. There was nothing particularly to note in regards to the behavior. You saw that originations were down a little bit, but yet the strategic program fees were increased. So nothing really specific to note in there.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

It's a behavior we continue to expect in the future.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

Got it. And just to add on to that, all strategic partners or not all strategic partners have the exact type of pricing metrics and the pricing structures. And so as Bob said in his comments, the diversification of partners helped actually shore that up.

[Andrew Liesch, MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Got it. Yes, that was my follow-up question to that. I will step back. Thanks for covering all that.

[Operator]

The next question comes from the line of Joe Yanchunis with Raymond James. Please proceed.

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

Good afternoon.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Afternoon.

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

So, kind of want to start

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

at high level here. So, what would you say the company is going to look like in say 3 to 4 years? I'm trying to understand the potential revenue ramp from your new card and payments initiatives, as well as get a better understanding on how the risk profile of the company will evolve from your credit enhancement program?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

There's going to be the next 3 or 4 years we're thinking are going to be very exciting We've really built what we think is a strong trend site, to start with. And there are certain elements that we're particularly excited about, of course, the new products that we've been building for the last couple of years with the BIN and the payments programs. But also I think that when we're talking looking at the balance sheet, we do expect the credit enhanced balance sheet to grow substantially as we move forward, particularly through in 2025, there's great interest in this product by our current and prospective partners. We piloted that product and tested it, and now the program is fully launched. We anticipate substantial growth in the product in 2025.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

While we do not normally provide guidance in individual financial statement line items for this credit enhanced product for 2025, we're going to make an exception. We're thinking that just for 2025 and that's not talking about how we think it will behave in 2026 and forward. But for 2025, we think the credit enhanced balances by year end 2025 will increase by $50,000,000 to $100,000,000

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

I appreciate that. That was very helpful. And finally, we have strategic partners. How do you pick between partners today? What's your criteria for partner selection?

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

And should we expect future partners to be either involved in the card or payment program?

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

I can take that one, Joe. This is Ken. The position we're finding ourselves in is we have a very strong pipeline and the programs that we're currently looking at now are very much more in the mature, stronger established FinTechs. One of the things that we've found is that we've expanded this market significantly by offering the payments, the card sponsorship and the credit enhanced balance sheet. So I think your comment is spot on is that we are going we're seeing a much larger, stronger partner in the pipeline and I think it bodes well for the program.

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

Got it. And then just one more pivot here. So the chassis seems to be built. The business model seems to be progressing. You're very excited about what's on the come.

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

So my question is, what kind of keeps you up at night right now? What's kind of the cheek concern?

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

There are a lot of things that keep us up, but I think

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

that most all

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

of them are addressed by just vigilance, right? So you're always concerned about cybersecurity. You're always concerned about proper oversight of the FinTechs. You're always concerned about regulatory issues and making certain that our product aligns with FinTechs needs. And so the way we've handled that in the past, there are certain things, of course, that we can't control such as macroeconomic or things along those lines.

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

But I would say we just remain very vigilant in all those areas and feel confident that we're capturing most of the risks. And so I hope that answers your question.

[Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial]

No, that was great. I appreciate you taking my questions.

[Operator]

And the next question comes from the line of Andrew Terrell with Stephens. Please proceed.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Hey, good afternoon.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Andrew.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Hey. As I think about, I appreciate the color around the mix of incremental growth in the loan portfolio. Can you help me think about the delta between the net yield to you all as you're putting on credit enhanced lending? What's the difference in the net yield there versus, for instance, SBA loans that most recently were the biggest contributor to growth? Is there much kind of net economic kind of difference in those portfolios?

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Or are they relatively similar?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

My short answer to that is they are relatively similar. As you can imagine, the SBA portfolio has a very low credit risk attached to it as does the credit enhanced loan portfolio, very low credit risk that is attached to it. And so I think that's similar.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Yes. Low credit risk, but just from like an income yield perspective, it's also similar?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

That's correct. I think that our pricing is based upon risk and we view that risk as being similar.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Understood. Okay. Can you help me out with when the brokered change happened this quarter? I'm just trying to get a better sense of whether there's much more relief from that deposit costs you reported this quarter. I think it was 3.21%, 3.21% total deposit costs.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

I'm just trying to get a sense of maybe of where that kind of exited the quarter or how we should think about the progression of that into 1Q?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

So on the callable CDs, we called roughly $80,000,000 during the month of October, where we received the biggest bump down. That was about the middle of the month. In October, we did approximately another $80,000,000 The bump down was not as much, but again, it happened in the middle of the month. So the benefit from those callable CD programs, you should still see continue somewhat into the Q1. The benefit will not be as great as what we saw in the Q1, but we will receive the full benefit in the I mean, what we received in the Q4, but we'll receive that and see that full benefit coming through in the Q1.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

So we'll see some continuing decrease, I believe.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Yes. Okay. Got it. And then I think in the prepared remarks, you mentioned the expectation still kind of remains the same around adding 2 to 3 new lending partners in 2025. I guess is when you say lending partners, do you mean FinTech partners also focused on BIN sponsorship payments, credit enhanced lending?

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Or is that do you view that kind of pipeline separately? And can we actually see more than kind of 2 to 3 incremental new programs added during the year?

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Yes. So the 2 to 3 target is consistent, Andrew, and that's on lending programs. Some

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

it may be

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

a mix of credit enhanced and kind of like the historical held for sale model, but 2 to 3 lending programs is the target. The card and or payment programs would be additive to that 2 to 3.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Got it. Okay. Understood. And just out of curiosity, as you talk about it's really exciting news to hear that when you look across your pipeline now, you're seeing more maturity, stronger, more established kind of FinTechs coming into the funnel, if you will. As you guys look to onboard these maybe more established FinTech partners, what's the difference in time versus maybe a smaller partner in terms of complexity and kind of time to onboard?

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Is there much difference? And if you could maybe help quantify just like how much longer does it take to add a more mature partner versus a less mature?

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Sure. I can give you some examples, right? I would say that the worst case scenario of taking a partner to full launch process and getting them live was 12 months. And I would say, best case scenario was probably 2.5 months, something like that. More mature partners do tend to tilt towards the lower end of that range, Andrew.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

12 months was by far the longest. I would say on average, they kind of run 6 months ish, 7 months ish. And it does really depend on 2 things. First, the maturity of the partner as far as a bank product and the staffing levels that partner has. And second, the complexity of the product, regulatory disclosures around the product and how unique it might be versus kind of a more standard or vanilla product, Those matter too.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

So I would say the majority of the partner, but also kind of the standardization or uniqueness of the product, both of those are contributing factors.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Got it. Okay. And then just Jim really quick on your comment around the potential for NPL lift. I think you said it was at $12,000,000 potentially in the Q1.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

And I just want

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

to make sure I heard that correctly. And could you quantify how much is guaranteed SBA and what kind of the driving factor is behind that number?

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Yes, sure. So we had $5,800,000 in quarter over quarter increase in the NPL balances during Q4, Andrew. That was lower than the expectations that we had set for 10,000,000 dollars on the last call. This is mostly from the lingering stress with the higher rate environment. There's no broad based other issue in the portfolio.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

53% of the portfolio, I don't

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

know whether we had this in the script or not, but 53% of

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

the portfolio NPL balance,

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

53% of the portfolio NPL balance was fully guaranteed by SBA. And I think what we were trying to call out there and to help you model, you will see a meaningful drop in 30 plus day past due balances come through when the call report comes out, in a couple of days. And what you'll see there is, you saw about $9,000,000 there last quarter and we had talked on our call to expect about $10,000,000 of migration and then $5,800,000 came through. What you'll see this quarter is about $4,000,000 And so there is a meaningful drop there, which is certainly very positive and speaks to our portfolio management teams kind of actively working with customers. But we still have lingering stress from the higher rate environment and what we felt comfortable with giving you guys was kind of a $12,000,000 potential migration in Q1.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Got it. Okay. And then actually if I could just I'm sorry for continued questions, but one more just around capital. With the growth of the balance sheet incrementally from here coming from sources that you carry very low credit risk on either SBA or credit enhanced lending. Do you have more comfortability now in managing either the DC or the leverage ratio at below kind of this 20% level you historically run at?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Well, I'll take that question. So yes, we've been running at at the bank, it's been 20% and running about there for the last for the past year. At the holding company, it's been 25% or 26%. And we do feel comfortable with letting with growth coming onto the balance sheet and letting that ratio run down probably into the mid teens level. That's the number we've given in prior calls.

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

And I think we'll be comfortable with that.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Mid teens bank level leverage?

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

Mid teens leverage ratio, yes, at the bank and holding company, yes.

[Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Okay, Perfect. Okay. Thank you for taking the questions.

[Operator]

And now I would like to hand the floor over to Juan Arias to address questions we have received via email.

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

Thanks, operator. You had a few questions come in via email. First one, when would you anticipate seeing a ramp in business from new initiatives that you launched in BIN sponsorship and payments?

[Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman at FinWise Bancorp]

So what we think is we are going to have a more of a short term impact of growth from the credit enhanced balance sheet that we've been talking about. We think that the bins and the payments, they gradually come into play over the year. Those build off of a smaller base, but once they start building, we feel very comfortable about them becoming meaningful parts. But I think through the best way to look at this is throughout the year, we'd see a more immediate impact from credit enhanced balance sheet and a gradual impact that increases throughout the year from payments and cards.

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

Great. Second question, netting out the one time item you called out on the call, 895,000 loss from calling of CDs, is it fair to assume your core EPS number for 4Q was closer to $0.25

[Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO at FinWise Bancorp]

I'll take that one. Well, as you know, core EPS is a non GAAP concept. In this particular case, I think it's pretty straightforward how to calculate then the core EPS, the tax effect, the $895,000 cost of terminating those CDs for strategic purposes, add that to income and divide by the average shares outstanding and $0.25 a share is how we look at it too.

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

Two more questions came in. Do you have significant exposure to LendingPoint?

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Yes, I can take it, Juan. So with LendingPoint, we've been proud to partner with LendingPoint since 2017 when they launched with us. We don't give any more specific partner guidance and we're sensitive to confidentiality. As far as financial impact to FinWise, we have an immaterial amount of credit or revenue risk with LendingPoint and we continue to support them as a partner.

[Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations at FinWise Bancorp]

Great. And the last one, can you remind us of the benefits to FinTechs of using your credit enhancement product?

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

Sure. Yes. So we've historically had 1, really 2 options in our SP Lending business, HFS and then HFI with full coupon and full credit risk. The credit enhanced balance sheet product really kind of fills a gap where we can provide capacity for asset generation with our partners, but do it in a way that builds stable interest income here at the bank. And it also minimizes credit risk at the bank.

[James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer at FinWise Bancorp]

It helps diversify the funding sources for our fintech partners and it also reduces the number of parties that they have to align with from an administrative standpoint since we're the sponsor bank already. So I'd say those are the kind of key benefits to our partners.

Participants

Executives

• Juan Arias, Head of Corporate Development & Investor Relations
• Kent Landvatter, CEO, President & Chairman
• James Noone, Executive Vice President and Chief Credit Officer
• Robert Wahlman, Executive VP & CFO

Analysts

• Andrew Liesch, MD & Senior Research Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies
• Joseph Yanchunis, Senior Equity Research Associate at Raymond James Financial
• Andrew Terrell, Managing Director at Stephens Inc