NYSE:FPH Five Point Q1 2025 Earnings Report $4.71 -0.16 (-3.29%) Closing price 05/15/2026 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$4.71 0.00 (0.00%) As of 05/15/2026 04:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Five Point EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.32Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AFive Point Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$13.16 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFive Point Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date4/24/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, April 24, 2025Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsFive Point's Q2 2026 earnings is estimated for Thursday, July 23, 2026, based on past reporting schedules, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Five Point Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 24, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways In Q1, Five Point generated net income of $60.6 million, exceeding guidance by approximately $10 million. The company ended the quarter with $653.3 million in total liquidity, net debt effectively zero and a 19.2% debt-to-capitalization ratio. S&P upgraded Five Point’s credit rating from B– to B and its senior notes from B to B+, maintaining a stable outlook. Management highlighted market headwinds—higher mortgage rates, tariff uncertainty and a modest recent slowdown in home-builder sales pace. Five Point reaffirmed its full-year 2025 net income guidance of approximately $200 million, with around $10 million expected in Q2. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallFive Point Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings and welcome to the Five Point Holdings Q1 2025 conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Today's call may include forward-looking statements regarding Five Point's business, financial condition, operations, cash flow, strategy, and prospects. Forward-looking statements represent Five Point's estimates on the date of this conference call and are not intended to give any assurance as to actual future results. Because forward-looking statements relate to matters that have not yet occurred, these statements are inherently subject to risk and uncertainties. Many factors could affect future results and may cause Five Point's actual activities or results to differ materially from the activities and results anticipated in forward-looking statements. These factors include those described in today's press release and Five Point's SEC filings, including those in the risk factor section of Five Point's most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. Operator00:00:55Please note that Five Point assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Dan Hedigan, President and Chief Executive Officer. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:01:06Thank you. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our call. I have with me today Mike Alvarado, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer; Kim Tobler, our Chief Financial Officer; and Leo Key, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Reporting. Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman, is joining us remotely. On today's call, I'll update you on our Q1 results and review the status of the company's current operations, including our team's focus during the quarter and our strategic priorities and expectations for the remainder of 2025. Mike will then discuss the growth element of our operating strategy, after which Kim will give you an overview of the company's financial performance and condition with updated guidance for the remainder of 2025. We will then open the line for questions. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:01:53Turning to the Q1, I'm pleased to report another successful quarter for Five Point as we continue to build a program of consistent profitability. During the quarter, we generated a stronger-than-expected net income of $60.6 million, which exceeded our guidance by roughly $10 million. Our Q1 results reflect our continued focus on generating revenue, controlling our expenses, and managing our capital spend. Here are some additional highlights from the quarter. First, our Great Park Venture closed on all four of our anticipated residential land sales. These programs included 325 home sites on approximately 23.6 acres to three different builders for an aggregate purchase price of $278.9 million. Second, as a result of the Great Park operations during the quarter, Five Point received $143.3 million as its portion of distribution and its incentive compensation payments. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:02:51Third, we finished the quarter with total liquidity of $653.3 million, comprised of cash and cash equivalents totaling $528.3 million, an increase on our cash over year-end of $97.5 million, and borrowing availability of $125 million under our unsecured revolving credit facility. Alongside our successful Q1, I'm also happy to report that we received an upgrade in our credit rating from S&P. In recognition of our consistent earnings, cash generation, and management of overhead, the company moved from B- to B with a continued stable outlook, and our senior notes were upgraded from B to B-. As we look ahead to the remainder of 2025, we recognize that we are currently navigating a challenging economic environment with market uncertainty created by shifting tariff policies, higher mortgage rates, and associated affordability issues. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:03:50Our job is to filter out the noise and stay focused on the underlying economic data at both the national and local level. While we are carefully monitoring the results reported by the national home builders and understand that several are experiencing reduced margins, our communities are located in California markets that are chronically undersupplied, primarily due to California's challenging and restrictive land use approval process. Our recently closed sales, including one this past week at the Great Park, are continuing evidence that there remains strong demand for our home sites, even with builders facing the uncertainty of current market conditions. Notwithstanding this uncertainty, we believe it is still an opportune time to move forward on the implementation of growth initiatives to complement our three existing communities. These growth initiatives will build upon the operating strategy we have been executing on for the past few years. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:04:43Mike will have a few more remarks about that strategy shortly. Let me turn briefly, however, to our current operating strategy. The key elements of the strategy are, one, we're optimizing home site value within our existing three premier master plan communities by matching home site sales to current home builder demand. Currently, home builder demand remains steady, and we continue to maximize the value of our land and maintain the margins embedded in that value. Two, we are carefully managing our fixed costs and overhead even while we pursue growth opportunities. We're also constantly looking to reduce or mitigate some of the fixed costs that come with these larger master plan communities, and we're maintaining the lean operating structure that has defined Five Point for the past few years. We're matching development expenditures with revenue generation. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:05:32Each new development area within our existing communities is analyzed from a construction phasing standpoint as we work alongside our public partners to deliver our infrastructure so that we are not deploying cash too far out in front of the needs of the development. Finally, we are seeking growth opportunities through new acquisitions, joint ventures, and strategic relationships to ensure a growing future for Five Point. Our focus will remain on these strategic elements of our operating platform as we produce recurring earnings along with sustainable long-term growth. With that said, while we know there might be some uncertainty from time to time, we remain confident in our current year expectations. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:06:16My last call indicated that we were expecting that our earnings for 2025 would exceed 2024 and that we anticipated close to $200 million in net income, with obvious caveats regarding the timing of development processes within the County of Los Angeles. We currently believe that we are on track to meet our prior guidance, while we will continue to monitor evolving market conditions as the year progresses. Kim will provide more detail on our guidance for the remainder of 2025 during his remarks. I'd like to now touch on market conditions. Although the Federal Reserve has cut rates by 100 basis points since September, recently announced tariff policies have created upward pressure on interest rates and inflation, with key mortgage interest rates moving mostly higher since the end of the quarter. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:07:07Consumer sentiment is also being negatively impacted by the uncertainty surrounding tariff policies, which impacts consumer decisions on new home sales. Most of our guest builders still have the ability to facilitate sales, but we have seen a modest decline in the pace of sales over the past few weeks. Although interest rates and consumer sentiment are key data points in the housing market, Five Point's California market has generally remained chronically undersupplied, and we are actively engaged with our guest builders on new home site sales. Let me now provide you with some updates on our communities, starting with the Great Park neighborhoods. As a reminder, the Great Park is the most mature of our communities, and its ongoing contribution to our financial results reflects the benefits that we and our Great Park Venture partners are receiving from the investments made in this community in prior years. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:07:59During the Q1, builders in our Great Park community sold 233 homes versus 143 homes in Q4 2024. We currently have 15 active selling programs in the Great Park neighborhoods, with five additional programs planned to open later this year. With the existing and future planned programs, we'll be able to continue to offer a wide variety of housing options in Great Park neighborhoods. In addition to our continuing home buyer interest, we are still seeing demand from builders for our land at the Great Park. All of the five residential programs I've previously identified as expected to close in the first half of 2025 have now closed escrow, with the last sale closing one week ago. We have also completed the bidding and contracting for a group of nine new residential programs being sold to six builders totaling 572 home sites. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:08:51These builders have completed their due diligence, with the expectation that these land sales will close in the Q4 of this year. The contracted sales prices are consistent with our most recent sales. As I mentioned last quarter, the City of Irvine completed state-mandated RENA general plan and zoning updates for the Great Park planning area, which will provide the Great Park Venture with the opportunity to convert some or substantial portions of its remaining commercial land holdings to residential uses. We're continuing to study these options and are in ongoing discussion with the city to consider residential uses consistent with the RENA program adopted by the city. Next, I'll move to Valencia, our other active community. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:09:34As a reminder, Valencia is in the early stages of its development and still has many future phases of land delivery ahead of it, which will enable us to provide much-needed housing in the Los Angeles market. During the Q1, home sales remained relatively steady as our guest builders sold 69 homes versus 74 in Q4. We currently have seven actively selling programs in Valencia. Additionally, we anticipate that another five programs will open during 2025, offering a greater diversity of home offerings for prospective home buyers. During the Q1, we took two new communities to market totaling 159 home sites, and we're working with two builders to finalize their due diligence and enter into binding purchase and sale agreements. We currently anticipate these sales will close towards the end of the year. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:10:24We also continue to work with Los Angeles County and other agencies on our regulatory approvals for our next development areas in Valencia, that will allow us to deliver thousands of additional home sites in the county's severely undersupplied market. In total, these development areas are expected to consist of approximately 8,900 market-rate home sites and 183 net acres of commercial land, approximately 139 of which is expected to cater towards industrial-focused uses. Additionally, given the recent loss of dwelling units in Los Angeles County wildfires, we expect greater cooperation between officials and developers to expedite more housing supply to help mitigate the shortage. Turning to San Francisco, as you may remember from our last call, the City and County and other applicable regulatory agencies gave us final approval to rebalance the entitlements between our two San Francisco communities, Candlestick and the Shipyard. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:11:21We're currently working on our engineering for the next phase of infrastructure, with the expectation of starting construction early next year. As we work on these plans, we continue to explore opportunities of bringing a strategic partner for this mixed-use Bayfront community. Let me conclude by saying that while the housing and financial markets are adjusting to new policies and consumers are trying to gauge the impact of these policies on their home buying decisions, we will remain focused on prudently managing development and sale of land within our master plan communities. Land is still about location and scarcity, and we have well-located land in an extremely supply-constrained market. In addition, our balance sheet and liquidity have us well-positioned to work through the current market conditions and to preserve the value of our land holdings while we opportunistically explore growth opportunities. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:12:15Additionally, we remain ever-focused on managing costs and controlling overhead as we grow our business in an efficient manner. Now, let me turn over to Mike, who will discuss Five Point's growth opportunities. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:12:27Thanks, Dan. Let me briefly update you on our efforts in pursuing growth opportunities for Five Point. As you heard us report on our last call, the land-light strategy that a number of publicly traded home builders have gravitated towards has given Five Point the potential opportunity to work alongside the builders in a win-win scenario that would allow the builders to follow their land-light strategy and Five Point to play to its strength in the land development business. To that end, we have been assessing acquisitions that fit into both short-term and mid- to long-term land delivery models. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:13:04In uncertain market conditions like we have today, unique opportunities often present themselves around land that can enable Five Point to create outsized returns. Five Point is uniquely positioned to do this, given its expertise and experience in the land development business. Regardless of the size and projected development timeline for new acquisitions, like many of the public builders, we intend to acquire new assets in an asset-light structure where we are bringing in third-party capital in a joint venture arrangement that will allow us to expand the reach and diversity of our platform. As I have mentioned previously, this model is one in which we would own an equity interest in the venture, provide management services to the venture, and have the ability to earn an incentive-promoted interest for excellent performance. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:13:58Bringing in capital partners reduces our capital investment and gives Five Point opportunities to move to an asset-lighter balance sheet model under a well-crafted partnership program. It is not lost on us that capital may be slow to make investment decisions in this current environment, but the need and demand for housing in many job centers around the country will continue to drive the deployment of capital into this market segment. Capital also likes to invest with companies whose management teams have extensive experience with embedded systematic financial and operational controls that can be trusted when investing their capital. Five Point has the management experience and expertise along with public company-level financial and operational controls, which can and has led to extraordinary achievements like what we are seeing with our existing Great Park Venture. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:14:50Indeed, the Great Park Venture's members have seen rising returns over the last several years driven by a combination of our management of the asset and the active engagement of the partners. We believe this is a business model that we can take advantage of as we look at other opportunities for future growth of the company. While we do not have any transactions to report at this time, we still anticipate sharing new opportunities with you before the end of the year. Now, let me turn it over to Kim to report on our financial results for the quarter. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:15:21Thank you, Mike. As Mike and Dan have shared, we are proud of how we concluded our Q1 by exceeding our guidance. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:15:31While at the same time, we've been monitoring the markets closely as we look forward to the coming quarters and our land development activities and anticipated land sales later this year. First, as Dan noted, S&P recently reviewed our credit rating and determined it was appropriate to improve our ratings. I appreciate the time and effort S&P put forward to understand our structure and strategy and the confidence they have expressed in our ability to execute on our plans for the next 12 months. I'm now going to review our Q1 financial results, then I will conclude by updating the guidance of what we are expecting for the remainder of 2025. In the Q1, we recognized $60.6 million of net income. This is made up of the following components. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:16:15We recognized $71.4 million of equity in earnings from our unconsolidated entities, $70.9 million of which came from the Great Park Venture. The equity in earnings from the Great Park Venture were attributable to net income of $206.3 million, which resulted from land sales revenue of $278.9 million and a 75% gross margin. The venture also had $6.4 million of price participation in PAPA revenue. Five Point added $12.6 million of management services revenue, $9.2 million of which is associated with the incentive compensation from the Great Park. Our Q1 SG&A was $14.8 million, and finally, we recognized $9.5 million of tax expense. Now, a few words about our liquidity and cash. As Dan mentioned, we ended the quarter with $528.3 million of cash, as well as $125 million of availability on a revolving credit facility, resulting in total liquidity of $653.3 million. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:17:25At the end of the quarter, our debt-to-total capitalization ratio was 19.2%, and our net debt is effectively zero. During the quarter, we generated net cash flow of $97.5 million, the significant components of which were cash inflows of $112.9 million from the Great Park Venture distributions and $30.4 million from incentive compensation payments. This was offset by project-related costs at Valencia and San Francisco and SG&A cash outflows of $51.1 million combined. The remaining net positive cash flow of $5.3 million was from miscellaneous sources. Now, let me update the guidance that I gave you concerning our expectations for the remainder of 2025. We currently expect to have just under $10 million of net income for the Q2, with the balance of our anticipated earnings weighted towards the end of the year. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:18:26You'll recall that we previously indicated that we expect to have net income for the full year of close to $200 million, with the caveat that processes within the County of Los Angeles would function as we hoped during going into the year. While there is plenty of noise in the markets, we have not had any indications that would cause us to modify our guidance at this time. As it relates to our cash and senior debt, we are continuing to monitor the debt markets and the economic environment generally, and we remain ready to effect a refinance transaction for our senior notes, including a paydown of principal when we deem it prudent to do so. With that, let me turn it back to the operator, who will now open it up for questions. Operator00:19:12Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. Operator00:19:19If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the Star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Kenneth Pounds with Castleberry Advisory. Please proceed with your question. Kenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLC00:19:54Good afternoon, gentlemen. Very good quarter. The governor mentioned that perhaps there would be some layers of regulation taken off or some speed up because of even the more acute housing situation. Would that potentially benefit your two developments? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:20:12Hi, Kenneth. Thanks for the question. The answer is absolutely. Anything we can do to expedite process in California is supportive of us delivering housing. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:20:27Is there anything finite on there? Have you seen any changes in rules or timelines? There has been a lot of discussion in Sacramento, but we have not seen anything concrete yet. There also is a lot of legislation this year because there is an increased focus every year on the lack of housing supply in California. I do not have anything today I could share with you. There is a lot of activity that we are monitoring in Sacramento. Kenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLC00:20:55Great. You talked about San Francisco, I guess, starting next year. Do you have—when would you perhaps have some CapEx plans or more of a budget for next year for that? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:21:08Yeah. Kenneth, this is Kim. We will likely start giving some insight on that towards the end of the year, early next year. Kenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLC00:21:20Great. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:21:23Thank you. Operator00:21:29Our next question comes from the line of Ben Fader-Rattner with Space Summit Capital. Please proceed with your question. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:21:36Hi. Just for the record, I'm calling in a personal capacity, not for any firm. You have cash roughly equal to your debt. Every week that goes by, there's a drag that costs shareholders money. Why aren't you being more proactive in reducing the debt while you wait for market conditions? I just don't see the point of sitting with so much cash right now when you have a negative carry. Can you comment? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:22:09Yeah. Ben, this is Kim. The challenge that we face is the 200 basis point cost of paying down the debt. There was a short period of time when it seemed to make sense if we could have refinanced at a lower rate. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:22:29Given the way the markets have moved, it does not seem prudent until that premium is removed late in the year. Just to say, as we said, we are monitoring the markets. We recognize that it is a bit of a carry, but we are also earning quite a bit on the cash. We are earning a good return. We are earning over 4% on the money we have. That 200 basis points on the full amount makes a very significant dent in the ability to do that. We are looking at it. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:23:06On that point, just to push back, I mean, you can earn about 4% on cash. It costs you over 10% in coupons. You are spending $30 million of negative carry. The cost to take that out would be $10 million. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:23:26I mean, I'm not suggesting you take out the whole thing, but the math on taking out some of it now, I think, is accretive. I don't see why you would incur a 6-point delta for seven months when you can take it out right now at 102. It seems like cost-effective to do so, but I wanted to go on record saying that. Yeah. I appreciate it, Ben. In terms of just the Great Park land sales that you did, it's amazing the numbers just keep going higher. It looks like it was around $12 million per acre for this last land sale. When you say that the additional land sales will be in line with what occurred, just to be clear, you're saying that $12 million is now the future number, or is it kind of the $10 million that you had talked about previously? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:24:34Ben, this is Dan. The blended number on the last four sales that closed where I gave you the information revenue is about $11.8 million. We are still seeing sales in that area. I would not start suggesting that $12 million is the new standard, but our most recent sale and other bids we have out there are consistent with that $11 million number. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:24:57Okay. In terms of the commercial land and the ability to, or the potential ability to convert it into residential, what do you think the timing looks like in terms of having the go-ahead from the City of Irvine to reentitle that land for residential purposes? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:25:22Ben, we're in kind of ongoing discussions on that topic, and I do not think I can really put a timeframe for it. Just know that we are actively involved looking at it. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:25:33We'll have more information later this year. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:25:35Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. Great quarter. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:25:39Thank you. Operator00:25:41Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Oakland, a private investor. Please proceed with your question. Operator00:25:50Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my call. I apologize if I can find this somewhere in the 10-K. How much commercial land do you have left entitled in Irvine as far as acres? I'm doing a math. We have 100 acres of commercial land between four sites that we constantly look at. We call it Lots two, seven, 10, and 11. Okay. There would be some, obviously, that could not all be sold in this way. There would have to be some left for open space and stuff like that. Is that fair? Operator00:26:36Those are actually all of our open space and other obligations and that type of land have already been met through other obligations. These are gross acres, though. You do not get 100% efficiency in the sense that you do have streets, parks, some other things that would go into them on a residential basis. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:26:53Okay. Are you willing to give away—was that like 80% or something? Or not enough? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:01Generally speaking, I just, as a matter of course, use 85%. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:05Okay. Thanks a lot. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:06Percent efficiency. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:06Yeah. Great quarter. Thanks a lot for answering my question. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:10Thank you. Operator00:27:10Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Myron Kaplan, a private investor. Please proceed with your question. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:27:21Hi. Hi, Kim. How are you? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:25Doing well, Myron. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:27:26The Great Park is a gift that never stops giving. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:31Absolutely. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:35We're very grateful for the work that's been done there. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:27:37Yeah. It's super. Very good quarter. I guess the plan is at the end of the year to refi, then finally, like you said, where you'll wait for the two points to come off. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:53Yeah. If the markets are open. If you've been following the high-yield markets, it's a bit challenging out there right now. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:28:01Hell, you could pay off the—you could pay off the bond and probably work a very small issue of $200 million-$250 million, and then you have the revolver, and you're in business. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:17Yeah. We're looking at all those options, Myron. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:28:21Yeah. I mean, I don't see how the market's going to refuse you. Anyway, very good. I guess Valencia, you're going to try to gear up? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:31Yeah. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:31We're trying to get a reasonable pipeline that gives us the strength to have multiple years of product available to give us a longer pipeline. We're working hard on that process. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:28:44Do all the Palisades fires and stuff, does that augment the thrust behind it, or is everything kind of just frozen? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:56I think that the fires, the recent fires, have created need. We're still sorting out the impacts it has on the government approval processes. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:29:08Okay. We'll be patient. Like I said, San Francisco is a work in progress. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:29:19It is, but we'll have more to say about that later in the year as well. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:29:24Okay. Well done. Thanks. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:29:28Thanks, Myron. Operator00:29:29Thank you. We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to Dan Hedigan for closing remarks. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:29:39Thank you. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:29:41On behalf of our management team, we thank you for joining us on today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Operator00:29:47Thank you. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. 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Its master planned communities are designed to offer a balanced mix of housing choices alongside schools, parks and day-to-day services, all underpinned by sustainable land‐use practices and strategic infrastructure investments. In early 2017, Five Point completed its initial public offering, listing its common units on the New York Stock Exchange. The company’s leadership team brings together decades of experience in residential development, urban planning and construction management. Through disciplined land acquisition, joint ventures and phased community rollouts, Five Point continues to expand its presence across California’s high-growth real estate markets. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Greetings and welcome to the Five Point Holdings Q1 2025 conference call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Today's call may include forward-looking statements regarding Five Point's business, financial condition, operations, cash flow, strategy, and prospects. Forward-looking statements represent Five Point's estimates on the date of this conference call and are not intended to give any assurance as to actual future results. Because forward-looking statements relate to matters that have not yet occurred, these statements are inherently subject to risk and uncertainties. Many factors could affect future results and may cause Five Point's actual activities or results to differ materially from the activities and results anticipated in forward-looking statements. These factors include those described in today's press release and Five Point's SEC filings, including those in the risk factor section of Five Point's most recent annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. Operator00:00:55Please note that Five Point assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Dan Hedigan, President and Chief Executive Officer. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:01:06Thank you. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our call. I have with me today Mike Alvarado, our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Legal Officer; Kim Tobler, our Chief Financial Officer; and Leo Key, our Senior Vice President of Finance and Reporting. Stuart Miller, our Executive Chairman, is joining us remotely. On today's call, I'll update you on our Q1 results and review the status of the company's current operations, including our team's focus during the quarter and our strategic priorities and expectations for the remainder of 2025. Mike will then discuss the growth element of our operating strategy, after which Kim will give you an overview of the company's financial performance and condition with updated guidance for the remainder of 2025. We will then open the line for questions. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:01:53Turning to the Q1, I'm pleased to report another successful quarter for Five Point as we continue to build a program of consistent profitability. During the quarter, we generated a stronger-than-expected net income of $60.6 million, which exceeded our guidance by roughly $10 million. Our Q1 results reflect our continued focus on generating revenue, controlling our expenses, and managing our capital spend. Here are some additional highlights from the quarter. First, our Great Park Venture closed on all four of our anticipated residential land sales. These programs included 325 home sites on approximately 23.6 acres to three different builders for an aggregate purchase price of $278.9 million. Second, as a result of the Great Park operations during the quarter, Five Point received $143.3 million as its portion of distribution and its incentive compensation payments. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:02:51Third, we finished the quarter with total liquidity of $653.3 million, comprised of cash and cash equivalents totaling $528.3 million, an increase on our cash over year-end of $97.5 million, and borrowing availability of $125 million under our unsecured revolving credit facility. Alongside our successful Q1, I'm also happy to report that we received an upgrade in our credit rating from S&P. In recognition of our consistent earnings, cash generation, and management of overhead, the company moved from B- to B with a continued stable outlook, and our senior notes were upgraded from B to B-. As we look ahead to the remainder of 2025, we recognize that we are currently navigating a challenging economic environment with market uncertainty created by shifting tariff policies, higher mortgage rates, and associated affordability issues. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:03:50Our job is to filter out the noise and stay focused on the underlying economic data at both the national and local level. While we are carefully monitoring the results reported by the national home builders and understand that several are experiencing reduced margins, our communities are located in California markets that are chronically undersupplied, primarily due to California's challenging and restrictive land use approval process. Our recently closed sales, including one this past week at the Great Park, are continuing evidence that there remains strong demand for our home sites, even with builders facing the uncertainty of current market conditions. Notwithstanding this uncertainty, we believe it is still an opportune time to move forward on the implementation of growth initiatives to complement our three existing communities. These growth initiatives will build upon the operating strategy we have been executing on for the past few years. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:04:43Mike will have a few more remarks about that strategy shortly. Let me turn briefly, however, to our current operating strategy. The key elements of the strategy are, one, we're optimizing home site value within our existing three premier master plan communities by matching home site sales to current home builder demand. Currently, home builder demand remains steady, and we continue to maximize the value of our land and maintain the margins embedded in that value. Two, we are carefully managing our fixed costs and overhead even while we pursue growth opportunities. We're also constantly looking to reduce or mitigate some of the fixed costs that come with these larger master plan communities, and we're maintaining the lean operating structure that has defined Five Point for the past few years. We're matching development expenditures with revenue generation. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:05:32Each new development area within our existing communities is analyzed from a construction phasing standpoint as we work alongside our public partners to deliver our infrastructure so that we are not deploying cash too far out in front of the needs of the development. Finally, we are seeking growth opportunities through new acquisitions, joint ventures, and strategic relationships to ensure a growing future for Five Point. Our focus will remain on these strategic elements of our operating platform as we produce recurring earnings along with sustainable long-term growth. With that said, while we know there might be some uncertainty from time to time, we remain confident in our current year expectations. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:06:16My last call indicated that we were expecting that our earnings for 2025 would exceed 2024 and that we anticipated close to $200 million in net income, with obvious caveats regarding the timing of development processes within the County of Los Angeles. We currently believe that we are on track to meet our prior guidance, while we will continue to monitor evolving market conditions as the year progresses. Kim will provide more detail on our guidance for the remainder of 2025 during his remarks. I'd like to now touch on market conditions. Although the Federal Reserve has cut rates by 100 basis points since September, recently announced tariff policies have created upward pressure on interest rates and inflation, with key mortgage interest rates moving mostly higher since the end of the quarter. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:07:07Consumer sentiment is also being negatively impacted by the uncertainty surrounding tariff policies, which impacts consumer decisions on new home sales. Most of our guest builders still have the ability to facilitate sales, but we have seen a modest decline in the pace of sales over the past few weeks. Although interest rates and consumer sentiment are key data points in the housing market, Five Point's California market has generally remained chronically undersupplied, and we are actively engaged with our guest builders on new home site sales. Let me now provide you with some updates on our communities, starting with the Great Park neighborhoods. As a reminder, the Great Park is the most mature of our communities, and its ongoing contribution to our financial results reflects the benefits that we and our Great Park Venture partners are receiving from the investments made in this community in prior years. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:07:59During the Q1, builders in our Great Park community sold 233 homes versus 143 homes in Q4 2024. We currently have 15 active selling programs in the Great Park neighborhoods, with five additional programs planned to open later this year. With the existing and future planned programs, we'll be able to continue to offer a wide variety of housing options in Great Park neighborhoods. In addition to our continuing home buyer interest, we are still seeing demand from builders for our land at the Great Park. All of the five residential programs I've previously identified as expected to close in the first half of 2025 have now closed escrow, with the last sale closing one week ago. We have also completed the bidding and contracting for a group of nine new residential programs being sold to six builders totaling 572 home sites. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:08:51These builders have completed their due diligence, with the expectation that these land sales will close in the Q4 of this year. The contracted sales prices are consistent with our most recent sales. As I mentioned last quarter, the City of Irvine completed state-mandated RENA general plan and zoning updates for the Great Park planning area, which will provide the Great Park Venture with the opportunity to convert some or substantial portions of its remaining commercial land holdings to residential uses. We're continuing to study these options and are in ongoing discussion with the city to consider residential uses consistent with the RENA program adopted by the city. Next, I'll move to Valencia, our other active community. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:09:34As a reminder, Valencia is in the early stages of its development and still has many future phases of land delivery ahead of it, which will enable us to provide much-needed housing in the Los Angeles market. During the Q1, home sales remained relatively steady as our guest builders sold 69 homes versus 74 in Q4. We currently have seven actively selling programs in Valencia. Additionally, we anticipate that another five programs will open during 2025, offering a greater diversity of home offerings for prospective home buyers. During the Q1, we took two new communities to market totaling 159 home sites, and we're working with two builders to finalize their due diligence and enter into binding purchase and sale agreements. We currently anticipate these sales will close towards the end of the year. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:10:24We also continue to work with Los Angeles County and other agencies on our regulatory approvals for our next development areas in Valencia, that will allow us to deliver thousands of additional home sites in the county's severely undersupplied market. In total, these development areas are expected to consist of approximately 8,900 market-rate home sites and 183 net acres of commercial land, approximately 139 of which is expected to cater towards industrial-focused uses. Additionally, given the recent loss of dwelling units in Los Angeles County wildfires, we expect greater cooperation between officials and developers to expedite more housing supply to help mitigate the shortage. Turning to San Francisco, as you may remember from our last call, the City and County and other applicable regulatory agencies gave us final approval to rebalance the entitlements between our two San Francisco communities, Candlestick and the Shipyard. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:11:21We're currently working on our engineering for the next phase of infrastructure, with the expectation of starting construction early next year. As we work on these plans, we continue to explore opportunities of bringing a strategic partner for this mixed-use Bayfront community. Let me conclude by saying that while the housing and financial markets are adjusting to new policies and consumers are trying to gauge the impact of these policies on their home buying decisions, we will remain focused on prudently managing development and sale of land within our master plan communities. Land is still about location and scarcity, and we have well-located land in an extremely supply-constrained market. In addition, our balance sheet and liquidity have us well-positioned to work through the current market conditions and to preserve the value of our land holdings while we opportunistically explore growth opportunities. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:12:15Additionally, we remain ever-focused on managing costs and controlling overhead as we grow our business in an efficient manner. Now, let me turn over to Mike, who will discuss Five Point's growth opportunities. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:12:27Thanks, Dan. Let me briefly update you on our efforts in pursuing growth opportunities for Five Point. As you heard us report on our last call, the land-light strategy that a number of publicly traded home builders have gravitated towards has given Five Point the potential opportunity to work alongside the builders in a win-win scenario that would allow the builders to follow their land-light strategy and Five Point to play to its strength in the land development business. To that end, we have been assessing acquisitions that fit into both short-term and mid- to long-term land delivery models. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:13:04In uncertain market conditions like we have today, unique opportunities often present themselves around land that can enable Five Point to create outsized returns. Five Point is uniquely positioned to do this, given its expertise and experience in the land development business. Regardless of the size and projected development timeline for new acquisitions, like many of the public builders, we intend to acquire new assets in an asset-light structure where we are bringing in third-party capital in a joint venture arrangement that will allow us to expand the reach and diversity of our platform. As I have mentioned previously, this model is one in which we would own an equity interest in the venture, provide management services to the venture, and have the ability to earn an incentive-promoted interest for excellent performance. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:13:58Bringing in capital partners reduces our capital investment and gives Five Point opportunities to move to an asset-lighter balance sheet model under a well-crafted partnership program. It is not lost on us that capital may be slow to make investment decisions in this current environment, but the need and demand for housing in many job centers around the country will continue to drive the deployment of capital into this market segment. Capital also likes to invest with companies whose management teams have extensive experience with embedded systematic financial and operational controls that can be trusted when investing their capital. Five Point has the management experience and expertise along with public company-level financial and operational controls, which can and has led to extraordinary achievements like what we are seeing with our existing Great Park Venture. Mike Alvarado'sCOO at Five Point Holdings00:14:50Indeed, the Great Park Venture's members have seen rising returns over the last several years driven by a combination of our management of the asset and the active engagement of the partners. We believe this is a business model that we can take advantage of as we look at other opportunities for future growth of the company. While we do not have any transactions to report at this time, we still anticipate sharing new opportunities with you before the end of the year. Now, let me turn it over to Kim to report on our financial results for the quarter. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:15:21Thank you, Mike. As Mike and Dan have shared, we are proud of how we concluded our Q1 by exceeding our guidance. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:15:31While at the same time, we've been monitoring the markets closely as we look forward to the coming quarters and our land development activities and anticipated land sales later this year. First, as Dan noted, S&P recently reviewed our credit rating and determined it was appropriate to improve our ratings. I appreciate the time and effort S&P put forward to understand our structure and strategy and the confidence they have expressed in our ability to execute on our plans for the next 12 months. I'm now going to review our Q1 financial results, then I will conclude by updating the guidance of what we are expecting for the remainder of 2025. In the Q1, we recognized $60.6 million of net income. This is made up of the following components. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:16:15We recognized $71.4 million of equity in earnings from our unconsolidated entities, $70.9 million of which came from the Great Park Venture. The equity in earnings from the Great Park Venture were attributable to net income of $206.3 million, which resulted from land sales revenue of $278.9 million and a 75% gross margin. The venture also had $6.4 million of price participation in PAPA revenue. Five Point added $12.6 million of management services revenue, $9.2 million of which is associated with the incentive compensation from the Great Park. Our Q1 SG&A was $14.8 million, and finally, we recognized $9.5 million of tax expense. Now, a few words about our liquidity and cash. As Dan mentioned, we ended the quarter with $528.3 million of cash, as well as $125 million of availability on a revolving credit facility, resulting in total liquidity of $653.3 million. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:17:25At the end of the quarter, our debt-to-total capitalization ratio was 19.2%, and our net debt is effectively zero. During the quarter, we generated net cash flow of $97.5 million, the significant components of which were cash inflows of $112.9 million from the Great Park Venture distributions and $30.4 million from incentive compensation payments. This was offset by project-related costs at Valencia and San Francisco and SG&A cash outflows of $51.1 million combined. The remaining net positive cash flow of $5.3 million was from miscellaneous sources. Now, let me update the guidance that I gave you concerning our expectations for the remainder of 2025. We currently expect to have just under $10 million of net income for the Q2, with the balance of our anticipated earnings weighted towards the end of the year. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:18:26You'll recall that we previously indicated that we expect to have net income for the full year of close to $200 million, with the caveat that processes within the County of Los Angeles would function as we hoped during going into the year. While there is plenty of noise in the markets, we have not had any indications that would cause us to modify our guidance at this time. As it relates to our cash and senior debt, we are continuing to monitor the debt markets and the economic environment generally, and we remain ready to effect a refinance transaction for our senior notes, including a paydown of principal when we deem it prudent to do so. With that, let me turn it back to the operator, who will now open it up for questions. Operator00:19:12Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. Operator00:19:19If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the Star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Kenneth Pounds with Castleberry Advisory. Please proceed with your question. Kenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLC00:19:54Good afternoon, gentlemen. Very good quarter. The governor mentioned that perhaps there would be some layers of regulation taken off or some speed up because of even the more acute housing situation. Would that potentially benefit your two developments? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:20:12Hi, Kenneth. Thanks for the question. The answer is absolutely. Anything we can do to expedite process in California is supportive of us delivering housing. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:20:27Is there anything finite on there? Have you seen any changes in rules or timelines? There has been a lot of discussion in Sacramento, but we have not seen anything concrete yet. There also is a lot of legislation this year because there is an increased focus every year on the lack of housing supply in California. I do not have anything today I could share with you. There is a lot of activity that we are monitoring in Sacramento. Kenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLC00:20:55Great. You talked about San Francisco, I guess, starting next year. Do you have—when would you perhaps have some CapEx plans or more of a budget for next year for that? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:21:08Yeah. Kenneth, this is Kim. We will likely start giving some insight on that towards the end of the year, early next year. Kenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLC00:21:20Great. Okay. Thank you. Operator00:21:23Thank you. Operator00:21:29Our next question comes from the line of Ben Fader-Rattner with Space Summit Capital. Please proceed with your question. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:21:36Hi. Just for the record, I'm calling in a personal capacity, not for any firm. You have cash roughly equal to your debt. Every week that goes by, there's a drag that costs shareholders money. Why aren't you being more proactive in reducing the debt while you wait for market conditions? I just don't see the point of sitting with so much cash right now when you have a negative carry. Can you comment? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:22:09Yeah. Ben, this is Kim. The challenge that we face is the 200 basis point cost of paying down the debt. There was a short period of time when it seemed to make sense if we could have refinanced at a lower rate. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:22:29Given the way the markets have moved, it does not seem prudent until that premium is removed late in the year. Just to say, as we said, we are monitoring the markets. We recognize that it is a bit of a carry, but we are also earning quite a bit on the cash. We are earning a good return. We are earning over 4% on the money we have. That 200 basis points on the full amount makes a very significant dent in the ability to do that. We are looking at it. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:23:06On that point, just to push back, I mean, you can earn about 4% on cash. It costs you over 10% in coupons. You are spending $30 million of negative carry. The cost to take that out would be $10 million. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:23:26I mean, I'm not suggesting you take out the whole thing, but the math on taking out some of it now, I think, is accretive. I don't see why you would incur a 6-point delta for seven months when you can take it out right now at 102. It seems like cost-effective to do so, but I wanted to go on record saying that. Yeah. I appreciate it, Ben. In terms of just the Great Park land sales that you did, it's amazing the numbers just keep going higher. It looks like it was around $12 million per acre for this last land sale. When you say that the additional land sales will be in line with what occurred, just to be clear, you're saying that $12 million is now the future number, or is it kind of the $10 million that you had talked about previously? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:24:34Ben, this is Dan. The blended number on the last four sales that closed where I gave you the information revenue is about $11.8 million. We are still seeing sales in that area. I would not start suggesting that $12 million is the new standard, but our most recent sale and other bids we have out there are consistent with that $11 million number. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:24:57Okay. In terms of the commercial land and the ability to, or the potential ability to convert it into residential, what do you think the timing looks like in terms of having the go-ahead from the City of Irvine to reentitle that land for residential purposes? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:25:22Ben, we're in kind of ongoing discussions on that topic, and I do not think I can really put a timeframe for it. Just know that we are actively involved looking at it. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:25:33We'll have more information later this year. Ben Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLC00:25:35Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. Great quarter. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:25:39Thank you. Operator00:25:41Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Oakland, a private investor. Please proceed with your question. Operator00:25:50Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my call. I apologize if I can find this somewhere in the 10-K. How much commercial land do you have left entitled in Irvine as far as acres? I'm doing a math. We have 100 acres of commercial land between four sites that we constantly look at. We call it Lots two, seven, 10, and 11. Okay. There would be some, obviously, that could not all be sold in this way. There would have to be some left for open space and stuff like that. Is that fair? Operator00:26:36Those are actually all of our open space and other obligations and that type of land have already been met through other obligations. These are gross acres, though. You do not get 100% efficiency in the sense that you do have streets, parks, some other things that would go into them on a residential basis. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:26:53Okay. Are you willing to give away—was that like 80% or something? Or not enough? Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:01Generally speaking, I just, as a matter of course, use 85%. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:05Okay. Thanks a lot. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:06Percent efficiency. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:06Yeah. Great quarter. Thanks a lot for answering my question. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:27:10Thank you. Operator00:27:10Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Myron Kaplan, a private investor. Please proceed with your question. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:27:21Hi. Hi, Kim. How are you? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:25Doing well, Myron. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:27:26The Great Park is a gift that never stops giving. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:31Absolutely. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:35We're very grateful for the work that's been done there. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:27:37Yeah. It's super. Very good quarter. I guess the plan is at the end of the year to refi, then finally, like you said, where you'll wait for the two points to come off. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:27:53Yeah. If the markets are open. If you've been following the high-yield markets, it's a bit challenging out there right now. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:28:01Hell, you could pay off the—you could pay off the bond and probably work a very small issue of $200 million-$250 million, and then you have the revolver, and you're in business. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:17Yeah. We're looking at all those options, Myron. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:28:21Yeah. I mean, I don't see how the market's going to refuse you. Anyway, very good. I guess Valencia, you're going to try to gear up? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:31Yeah. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:31We're trying to get a reasonable pipeline that gives us the strength to have multiple years of product available to give us a longer pipeline. We're working hard on that process. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:28:44Do all the Palisades fires and stuff, does that augment the thrust behind it, or is everything kind of just frozen? Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:28:56I think that the fires, the recent fires, have created need. We're still sorting out the impacts it has on the government approval processes. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:29:08Okay. We'll be patient. Like I said, San Francisco is a work in progress. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:29:19It is, but we'll have more to say about that later in the year as well. Myron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private Investor00:29:24Okay. Well done. Thanks. Kim Tobler'sCFO at Five Point Holdings00:29:28Thanks, Myron. Operator00:29:29Thank you. We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to Dan Hedigan for closing remarks. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:29:39Thank you. Dan HediganPresident and CEO at Five Point Holdings00:29:41On behalf of our management team, we thank you for joining us on today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Operator00:29:47Thank you. This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesMike Alvarado'sCOOKim Tobler'sCFODan HediganPresident and CEOAnalystsKenneth PoundsPresident at Castleberry Advisory LLCBen Fader-Rattner'sManaging Director at Space Summit Capital LLCMyron Kaplan'sfounding partner and corporate and securities lawyer at Private InvestorCompany Representative at private investorPowered by