NASDAQ:FISI Financial Institutions Q1 2025 Earnings Report $26.28 -0.82 (-3.01%) As of 03:39 PM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Financial Institutions EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.81Consensus EPS $0.74Beat/MissBeat by +$0.07One Year Ago EPSN/AFinancial Institutions Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$57.24 millionExpected Revenue$57.14 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$98.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFinancial Institutions Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date4/28/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, April 29, 2025Conference Call Time8:30AM ETUpcoming EarningsFinancial Institutions' Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Thursday, October 23, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Friday, October 24, 2025 at 8:30 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Financial Institutions Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 29, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Strong first‐quarter results with net interest income up 12% Q/Q and 17% Y/Y, net interest margin expanded by 44 bps Q/Q and 57 bps Y/Y, an efficiency ratio of 59%, and ROE of 11.82%, reflecting benefits from the late 2024 securities restructuring. Total loans rose 1.7% Q/Q—driven by a 6.6% increase in commercial business loans and 1.3% growth in CRE—while management expects loan growth to be front‐loaded in Q1 and Q2 but sees limited visibility for H2 2025 amid economic uncertainty. Asset quality improved as nonperforming loans declined to $40 M, net charge‐offs fell to 21 bps, and specific reserves on two commercial credits increased to $3.1 M, supporting a stable ACL coverage ratio of 1.08%. Noninterest income of $10.4 M was boosted by a company‐owned life insurance restructuring and higher investment advisory fees, leading to an upward revision of full‐year noninterest income guidance to $40 M–$42 M. Deposits rose 5.3% from year‐end 2024 on higher public and brokered balances, and the company called $10 M of subordinated debt using equity offering proceeds, leaving $65 M outstanding. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallFinancial Institutions Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining the Financial Institutions, Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. My name is Lucy, and I will be coordinating your call today. I will now hand over to your host, Kate Croft, Director of Investor Relations, to begin. Please go ahead. Kate CroftDirector of Investor & External Relations at Financial Institutions Inc.00:00:28Thank you for joining us for today's call. Providing prepared comments will be President and CEO, Marty Birmingham and CFO, Jack Plants. You'll be joined by additional members of the company's leadership team during the question and answer session. Today's prepared comments and Q and A will include forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from forward looking statements due to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors. Kate CroftDirector of Investor & External Relations at Financial Institutions Inc.00:00:49We refer you to yesterday's earnings release and investor presentation as well as historical SEC filings, which are available on our Investor Relations website for our Safe Harbor description and a detailed discussion of the risk factors relating to forward looking statements. We'll also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures intended to supplement and not substitute for comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to GAAP financial measures were provided in the earnings release filed as an exhibit to Form eight ks or in our latest investor presentation available on our IR website, www.fisiinvestors.com. Please note that this call includes information that may only be accurate as of today's date, 04/29/2025. I'll now turn the call over to President and CEO, Marty Birmingham. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:01:32Thank you, Kate. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Our first quarter results illustrate the transformative impact that our late twenty twenty four investment securities restructuring had on our balance sheet and earnings profile as well as a solid performance delivered by lines of business. Net interest income was up more than 12% from the fourth quarter and 17% year over year, while net interest margin expanded by forty four and fifty seven basis points respectively. Both NII and margin reflect a significant improved yield on our securities portfolio and further benefit from reduced funding costs. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:02:12Non interest income was $10,400,000 as enhancements we made to our company owned life insurance portfolio and increased investment advisory income, among other things, helped offset the absence of insurance income as compared to the year ago quarter. Asset quality metrics were improved with net charge offs declining both on a dollar basis and as an annualized percentage of average loans from the linked and year ago quarters. From a profitability perspective, improved revenue generation and lower expenses than anticipated in the first quarter resulted in an efficiency ratio of 59%, consistent with our full year target of below 60%. Annualized return on average assets was 110 basis points, while return on average equity was 11.82%. Coming off of a challenging and dynamic 2024, we are keenly focused on maintaining the momentum that our capital raise and investment securities restructuring generated for us to deliver strong results and profitability throughout 2025. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:03:18I'm very proud of our team for delivering on the profitability, return and efficiency objectives in the first quarter. Their ability to meet the needs of our customers and deliver growth in loans, deposits and assets under management in the first three months of this year puts us in a strong position. The strong footing is especially important as we face what appears to be another challenging outlook for the industry, given the uncertainty posed by the fast moving political and macroeconomic environments. Amid this, we intend to stay focused on driving efficiency internally, controlling what we are able and remaining disciplined in our approach to credit extension and management. Total loans increased 1.7% during the quarter, driven by both C and I and CRE lending, matching the fourth quarter's growth rate. You'll recall our pipelines had been in a rebuilding phase in the second half of twenty twenty four and were solid heading into the New Year. Based on the current size of our commercial pipelines and discussions with borrowers, we believe that loan growth will be concentrated in the first and second quarters. The uncertain economic landscape, especially with respect to tariffs, inflation and interest rates, limits visibility into the back half of twenty twenty five. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:04:37Despite the increased sentiment of uncertainty and volatility being felt universally by businesses of all sizes, we continue to feel the low single digit growth guide we shared with you in January is appropriate. Our 2025 guidance reflected the intentional approach we took in preparing this year's budget, remaining mindful that the economy had experienced significant inflationary pressures for some time and there was uncertainty ahead. Of course, the level of volatility and pace of policy change has been more significant than many expected, but at this time, it hasn't led us to change our full year expectations. Commercial business loans increased 6.6% during the quarter, reflecting both new originations and increased line utilization and were flat year over year. Commercial mortgage loans were up 1.3% in the quarter and 9% from 03/31/2024, driven by growth in our Upstate New York market. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:05:35We've been in a close contact with our commercial customers and believe that our consistent approach to credit discipline and selectivity supports stable performance. From an asset quality perspective, nonperforming loans declined $1,400,000 to $40,000,000 at 03/31/2025, and continue to primarily relate to two separate commercial relationships. As we previously disclosed, one is a $15,500,000 loan in the Buffalo region that was placed on nonaccrual in the third quarter of twenty twenty four, and the other is a $13,500,000 relationship that includes multiple credit facilities through a CRE sponsor in our Southern Tier region. The latter relationship moved to non accrual in December of twenty twenty three and is comprised of three separate loans: a $4,500,000 multi bank deal, a $4,000,000 commercial mortgage loan and a $5,000,000 commercial line of credit, which all are secured by properties in the Tompkins County, Ithaca area. This credit relationship is with a developer that has been very successful over the long term, including managing properties that support thousands of student housing beds for Cornell University. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:06:48Prior to the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we recorded a specific reserve on this relationship of 1,900,000.0 During the first quarter of this year, an appraisal was updated on the $4,500,000 multi bank deal, which resulted in a $1,200,000 specific reserve on that portion of the relationship. This brings a specific reserve on the entire $13,500,000 credit exposure to $3,100,000 as of 03/31/2025. The multi bank deals associated with a high-tech business park that is about 80% occupied and includes many high quality tenants, including the local health system and Cornell University. We continue to actively manage this situation and pursue the resolution while evaluating underlying collateral, and we will take appropriate action to ensure specific reserves are timely and appropriate. Turning to consumer lending, indirect balances were up just shy of 1% from December 31 and down 7% year over year. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:07:51Consumer indirect net charge offs and nonperforming loans improved from the comparable prior periods. Indirect has proven to be a durable asset class through various economic cycles given our approach to prime credit originations. Generally, our borrowers have prioritized car payments in support of jobs and economic stability considering the limited mass transportation in our Upstate New York markets. Should the economy soften, we believe that reliable transportation will be important to ensure borrowers are able to maintain stable employment. Another dynamic to consider is that while tariffs are likely to impact the supply chain and new car availability, used car prices are expected to increase, which we have started to observe. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:08:36This has the potential to reduce average losses on repossessed vehicles, which would support lower net charge off ratios. Residential lending was down 1% from both the linked and year ago quarters, given the high competition and tight housing inventory in our Upstate New York markets. The credit quality in this portfolio has been solid and consistent for us, and net charge offs have remained fairly benign. Deposits were up 5.3% from year end twenty twenty four, driven by seasonally higher public deposit balances and an increase in brokered deposits. Deposits were relatively flat with 03/31/2024, down a modest 0.4%, primarily due to decrease in reciprocal deposits and the wind down of our banking as a service offering. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:09:25Cash related deposits totaled approximately $55,000,000 at 03/31/2025. Based on when our remaining fintech partners transition to new banking providers, we may see a small portion of these deposits remain on the balance sheet into the third quarter, but we expect most of what remains to flow out in the second quarter. We remain committed to core in market deposit gathering with relationship based accounts. Finally, in mid April, we utilized a portion of the proceeds of our public equity offering to call $10,000,000 of fixed to floating sub debt that was issued in April 2015 and repriced earlier this month. Outstanding subordinated debt for the company currently totals $65,000,000 including the remaining $30,000,000 tranche from April 2015 and the $35,000,000 tranche issued in October 2020. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:10:19We will continue to evaluate options for these sub debt facilities moving forward. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jack for additional commentary on our financial results and 2025 expectations. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:10:31Thank you, Marty. Good morning, everyone. Our first quarter results were strong by many measures and put us on solid footing early in the year. Net income was $16,900,000 and diluted EPS was $0.81 for the quarter, driven by improved net interest income, as previously mentioned, coupled with our ongoing focus on noninterest expense management. We were also pleased to report return on average common equity of 11.92% and return on average tangible common equity of 13.36%. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:11:08Our 2025 guidance remains largely unchanged, outside of an upward revision to noninterest income expectations that I'll touch on shortly. We continue to expect a full year net interest margin of between three forty five and three fifty five basis points. Using a spot rate forecast as of 03/31/2025, this does not factor in future rate cuts. Of the 44 basis points of margin expansion that occurred on a linked quarter basis, 37 basis points was driven by the late twenty twenty four investment securities restructuring, with approximately seven basis points attributed to core NIM expansion. Continued margin build in the upcoming quarters is expected to be driven by a combination of low production and mix as well as downward deposit repricing due largely to maturities and renewals of time deposits and pricing reductions on higher yielding money market products. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:12:06We were effective in our ability to reprice deposits in the first quarter, reducing the cost of products across retail, commercial and municipal deposits at a slightly faster clip than loans repriced. Overall, cost of funds decreased nine basis points, while average loan yields decreased eight basis points. As a reminder, approximately 40% of our loan portfolio is floating, with the majority priced off prime and SOFR indices. In January, we outlined expectations for noninterest income of between 9,500,000.0 to $10,000,000 per quarter or between 38,000,000 to $40,000,000 for the full year 2025. This guidance excludes losses on investment securities, impairment of investment tax credits and other categories that are difficult to predict, such as limited partnership income. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:13:02In the first quarter, the aforementioned categories had somewhat of an offsetting effect. And excluding them, noninterest income for the quarter was at about $10,500,000 Among the drivers of this above guide quarterly noninterest income was a company owned life insurance restructuring initiated in the first quarter. While this surrender and redeploy strategy is expected to support a higher level of COLI income moving forward, the level will moderate starting in the third quarter. Presently, we continue to recognize income on the surrender policies as we await receipt of approximately $73,000,000 of surrender policy proceeds from the carrier, which is expected to occur in June. As a result, the second quarter will be elevated relative to the future COLI run rate by about $275,000 Given the impact of the COLI strategy initiated in the first quarter, we are increasing our expectations for noninterest income to between 10,000,000 to $10,500,000 per quarter or between $40,000,000 to $42,000,000 for full year 2025. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:14:08Investment advisory revenue increased 7% on a linked quarter basis and 6% from the first quarter of twenty twenty four, driven by a combination of new business and market driven growth positively impacting assets under management. As AUMs at our wealth management subsidiary, Career Capital increased to 3,170,000,000.00 up approximately $72,000,000 from December 31. As we shared on our last call, we welcomed a new team that was the primary driver of new business in the quarter, and we look forward to their continued contributions as we seek to grow our RIA subsidiary. Noninterest expense of $33,700,000 was lighter than the $35,000,000 quarterly expense rate we guided, largely due to lower salaries and benefits driven by favorability in vacancy as we carried a higher level of open positions than planned. We have maintained a prudent approach to attrition and filling open positions to ensure our human resource investments are thoughtful and focused on our highest priority needs. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:15:14We also benefited from a $600,000 recovery on a prior year fraud loss that resulted in lower charge off items than our typical run rate. We continue to expect approximately 35,000,000 of quarterly non interest expense through the remainder of 2025, consistent with our original full year guidance. We remain focused on effective expense management even as we invest in our people, processes and technology to support our future growth and performance. Our provision for credit losses was $2,900,000 in the current quarter compared to a provision of $6,500,000 in the linked quarter. First quarter twenty twenty five provision for credit losses was driven by a combination of factors, including the impact of loan growth and an increase in specific reserves as Marty covered. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:16:03These factors were partially offset by modest improvement in forecasted losses and qualitative factors, primarily reflecting a reduction in consumer indirect delinquencies. At 03/31/2025, the loan loss reserve coverage ratio was 1.08% compared to 1.07 at 12/31/2024. And we remain comfortable at this level given our commitment to the importance of credit discipline. Our net charge offs for Q1 were 21 basis points, below our full year guided range. We are maintaining our full year net charge off expectations of between 25 to 35 basis points of average loans as we are being conservative with our outlook given the current uncertain political and economic environment. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:16:51We also maintain our guidance for the 2025 effective tax rate of between 17% to 19, including the impact of the amortization of tax credit investments placed in service in recent years. Our 2025 performance targets are focused on profitability and credit disciplined loan growth. We delivered on this promise in the first quarter and are very well positioned to continue executing on these objectives in 2025 and forward. That concludes my prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back to Marty. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:17:21Thanks, Jack. Overall, our first quarter illustrates what we believe we're capable of: higher returns on average assets and equity, a more efficiently run business and a financial institution that meets the needs of the individuals and families, businesses, municipalities and not for profits in our markets in a simple, connected and trusted way. Our leadership is firmly focused on these outcomes. As we announced in March, we recently welcomed a new executive to our team. Eric Marks has joined us Officer, bringing deep in market banking experience that spans many facets of consumer banking leadership, financial oversight and strategic planning. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:18:07We look forward to his contributions as we focus on driving sustainable customer growth and customer service excellence in Five Star's retail network and our 49 banking locations across Western And Central New York. Earlier this month, we filed our 2025 proxy statement. Among the directors up for election this year are Angela Panzarella, who was appointed in January to our Board and has deep corporate strategy, financial and business operations experience grounded in public company governance and professional experiences and Bob Schrader, a new director nominee, bringing more than twenty five years of experience in corporate finance and public accounting, including his current role as Chief Financial Officer of Paychex, which qualifies him as a financial expert for purposes. Mr. Schrader succeeds Sam Gullow, who is retiring at our May following twenty five years of dedicated service to our company. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:19:06We are grateful for his counsel and leadership over the years, and we look forward to the contributions our two newest directors will make as we continue to execute our strategic objectives. In addition to voting on the election of directors, executive compensation and the ratification of our outside audit firm, shareholders are being asked to vote on an amendment to our long term incentive plan. Details of the proposed changes are outlined in our proxy, so we encourage you to read the material that is available at proxydocs.com/ fisi and vote your shares to be represented. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the call for questions. Operator00:19:47Thank Our first question is from Frank Schiraldi of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:20:10Good morning. On loan growth, you guys were obviously strong loan growth in the first quarter. You mentioned, Marty, driven by commercial. And many banks I talked to are assuming more of a pickup in the back half of the year as maybe we get more certainty around policy. It seems like you guys are sort of thinking the opposite. So just wanted to get your thoughts on maybe perhaps that loan growth outlook for the year is quite conservative at this point? Or I guess just how confident are you that loan growth should be front loaded here? Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:20:52So as Jack commented as well, we're comfortable with what we've guided. We have been working with our teams over the course of the last six to eight months to ensure that there's a focus and a consistent activity relative to business development activities across all of our lending areas, particularly focused on commercial of all sizes and types. And we saw the outcome clearly carry through in this quarter, which we're very pleased with. But Frank, we've been, like everyone, observing what's happened since the election and kind of the very positive feelings that were happening there with maybe possibly more business focused, streamlined regulatory environment in general and how the markets reacted to that, to how it has evolved to lots of executive orders, tariffs, pressure on inflation, outlook for rates, etcetera. So that's translated into what we've all read about our customers. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:21:54We canvassed them, all of them, really. We've asked our lenders to reach out to all of them in this time of uncertainty. And with uncertainty, folks have really started to pause anticipated investment in their plant equipment, projects, whatever it might be until some of this works its way through. So we're going to continue to overcommunicate with our customers. We're going to continue our consistent approach to calling and servicing our markets. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:22:22But right now, it just seems like folks have generally with uncertainty and increased volatility taking a step back to, like all of us, see where this goes. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:22:35Okay. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:22:37And the other side of that is the NIM guide in terms of I'm wondering if you could just talk to some levers to get you up into that range that you cite for full year guide. Maybe along with that, you have the detail around CDs coming up maturing, sort of the numbers there and what you are expecting you can pick up in average cost as you move through the year on that book? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:23:15Yes, Frank, this is Jack. I can take that one. So some of the levers that we have that are driving that continued improvement in margin are the $1,200,000,000 of cash flow that we have coming off the portfolio on a rolling twelve month basis. If you refer to the investor presentation, there's a slide in there that highlights roll off yield and roll on yield. On the commercial portfolio for the first quarter, we saw roll on yield coming on about 70 to 80 basis points on average higher than what was coming off the portfolio. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:23:50So that's benefited some of the earning asset side. We've continued to push down on deposit repricing, which has benefited us from a cost of funds perspective. We have about $500,000,000 of CDs coming up on maturity for renewal in the next nine months, which will continue to benefit us. And then if we look at our guided range, one of the areas that we didn't include in our guidance was any change in interest rates. So we budgeted and forecasted a spot rate forecast, which we updated again as of the end of the first quarter. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:24:28The shape of the curve is very important to future outcomes there. So if we see rate cuts and the long end of the curve kind of hold steady, we're fairly neutral within our guidance range, probably closer to the lower end. If we see a steepening of the curve and rate cuts, then there's opportunities for outperformance on the higher end. So I'm very comfortable with the range we provided for margin. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:24:53Okay. No, I appreciate it. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:24:55That's great color. And then just a follow-up quick follow-up to that, and I apologize if it's in some of your public documents. I can refer to that. But in terms of the CDs that you cited coming up maturing over the nine next nine months through the rest of the year. What is what are those average costs? Do you have that? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:25:18Yes. I they're about 4.5%. They were typically anchored in shorter term CD specials that we offered in 2024 that range anywhere from 4% to 5%. So the weighted average cost on those is about 4.5%. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:25:36Great. Okay. Thanks for the color, guys. Appreciate it. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:25:42Thanks, Frank. Operator00:25:49Our next question is from Damon DelMonte of KBW. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:25:57Hey, good morning everyone. I hope you're all doing well today. Just wanted to ask a question about the COLI expected income over the next couple of quarters. Jack, I think you had mentioned that you expect it to be elevated again here in the second quarter and then kind of a more normalized level. So I mean, is this basically going to be like flat from 1Q to 2Q and then drop back down to the $1,500,000 range? Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:26:25Or how do we kind of think about the cadence of that? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:26:30Yes, there be a slight increase in 2Q and then flat back beyond that. What we did was we surrendered some of the lower performing general account and then added premium into existing exposure that we had with our separate account COLI, and that is what drove the significant increase in yield associated with it given the underlying investment divisions that we have in that separate account structure. The general account that we surrendered, haven't even though it was deemed surrendered and in good order, we have yet to receive back the cash surrender value on that to the tune of about $73,000,000 which is still out there yielding low single digits, and we expect to receive that back in June. So that's what's causing the short term increase in COLI income. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:27:20Okay. But when it goes back to like when all the dust settles and it goes back to like a normalized rate, it's going to be higher than the 24 quarterly level. Is that correct? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:27:33Correct. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:27:35Okay. Alright. Thank you. And as we think about like provision and kind of outlook for credit, you guys kind of conservatively reiterated the expected net charge offs for the remainder of the year. And if the loan growth kind of slowing a bit here in the second half potentially, is it fair to kind of assume that the provision kind of takes a step down from where maybe kind of from this quarter's level or similar to this quarter's level? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:28:09I would suggest that our guided ACL to average loans ratio continue to hover around that 107 to 108 basis points for the rest of the year. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:28:21Okay. All right. That's helpful. We can back into that. Okay. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:28:26I think that's all that I had. So thank you very much. Appreciate it. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:28:31Thanks, Damon. Operator00:28:34We have no further questions, so I will hand back to Marty Birmingham for closing remarks. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:28:42Thank you very much for your help this morning, operator. Thanks to all those that are listening in this morning, your interest in the company, your time this morning, and look forward to connecting again in July. Operator00:28:55This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesKate CroftDirector of Investor & External RelationsMartin BirminghamPresident & CEOJack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & TreasurerAnalystsFrank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler CompaniesDamon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)Powered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Financial Institutions Earnings HeadlinesFinancial Institutions Are Set To Tokenize Some Deposits In 2026. It May Mark The Beginning Of A Stablecoin Boom.October 9 at 7:51 AM | finance.yahoo.comFinancial Institutions, Inc. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining the Financial Institutions, Inc. First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. My name is Lucy, and I will be coordinating your call today. I will now hand over to your host, Kate Croft, Director of Investor Relations, to begin. Please go ahead. Kate CroftDirector of Investor & External Relations at Financial Institutions Inc.00:00:28Thank you for joining us for today's call. Providing prepared comments will be President and CEO, Marty Birmingham and CFO, Jack Plants. You'll be joined by additional members of the company's leadership team during the question and answer session. Today's prepared comments and Q and A will include forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from forward looking statements due to a variety of risks, uncertainties and other factors. Kate CroftDirector of Investor & External Relations at Financial Institutions Inc.00:00:49We refer you to yesterday's earnings release and investor presentation as well as historical SEC filings, which are available on our Investor Relations website for our Safe Harbor description and a detailed discussion of the risk factors relating to forward looking statements. We'll also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures intended to supplement and not substitute for comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliations of these measures to GAAP financial measures were provided in the earnings release filed as an exhibit to Form eight ks or in our latest investor presentation available on our IR website, www.fisiinvestors.com. Please note that this call includes information that may only be accurate as of today's date, 04/29/2025. I'll now turn the call over to President and CEO, Marty Birmingham. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:01:32Thank you, Kate. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Our first quarter results illustrate the transformative impact that our late twenty twenty four investment securities restructuring had on our balance sheet and earnings profile as well as a solid performance delivered by lines of business. Net interest income was up more than 12% from the fourth quarter and 17% year over year, while net interest margin expanded by forty four and fifty seven basis points respectively. Both NII and margin reflect a significant improved yield on our securities portfolio and further benefit from reduced funding costs. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:02:12Non interest income was $10,400,000 as enhancements we made to our company owned life insurance portfolio and increased investment advisory income, among other things, helped offset the absence of insurance income as compared to the year ago quarter. Asset quality metrics were improved with net charge offs declining both on a dollar basis and as an annualized percentage of average loans from the linked and year ago quarters. From a profitability perspective, improved revenue generation and lower expenses than anticipated in the first quarter resulted in an efficiency ratio of 59%, consistent with our full year target of below 60%. Annualized return on average assets was 110 basis points, while return on average equity was 11.82%. Coming off of a challenging and dynamic 2024, we are keenly focused on maintaining the momentum that our capital raise and investment securities restructuring generated for us to deliver strong results and profitability throughout 2025. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:03:18I'm very proud of our team for delivering on the profitability, return and efficiency objectives in the first quarter. Their ability to meet the needs of our customers and deliver growth in loans, deposits and assets under management in the first three months of this year puts us in a strong position. The strong footing is especially important as we face what appears to be another challenging outlook for the industry, given the uncertainty posed by the fast moving political and macroeconomic environments. Amid this, we intend to stay focused on driving efficiency internally, controlling what we are able and remaining disciplined in our approach to credit extension and management. Total loans increased 1.7% during the quarter, driven by both C and I and CRE lending, matching the fourth quarter's growth rate. You'll recall our pipelines had been in a rebuilding phase in the second half of twenty twenty four and were solid heading into the New Year. Based on the current size of our commercial pipelines and discussions with borrowers, we believe that loan growth will be concentrated in the first and second quarters. The uncertain economic landscape, especially with respect to tariffs, inflation and interest rates, limits visibility into the back half of twenty twenty five. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:04:37Despite the increased sentiment of uncertainty and volatility being felt universally by businesses of all sizes, we continue to feel the low single digit growth guide we shared with you in January is appropriate. Our 2025 guidance reflected the intentional approach we took in preparing this year's budget, remaining mindful that the economy had experienced significant inflationary pressures for some time and there was uncertainty ahead. Of course, the level of volatility and pace of policy change has been more significant than many expected, but at this time, it hasn't led us to change our full year expectations. Commercial business loans increased 6.6% during the quarter, reflecting both new originations and increased line utilization and were flat year over year. Commercial mortgage loans were up 1.3% in the quarter and 9% from 03/31/2024, driven by growth in our Upstate New York market. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:05:35We've been in a close contact with our commercial customers and believe that our consistent approach to credit discipline and selectivity supports stable performance. From an asset quality perspective, nonperforming loans declined $1,400,000 to $40,000,000 at 03/31/2025, and continue to primarily relate to two separate commercial relationships. As we previously disclosed, one is a $15,500,000 loan in the Buffalo region that was placed on nonaccrual in the third quarter of twenty twenty four, and the other is a $13,500,000 relationship that includes multiple credit facilities through a CRE sponsor in our Southern Tier region. The latter relationship moved to non accrual in December of twenty twenty three and is comprised of three separate loans: a $4,500,000 multi bank deal, a $4,000,000 commercial mortgage loan and a $5,000,000 commercial line of credit, which all are secured by properties in the Tompkins County, Ithaca area. This credit relationship is with a developer that has been very successful over the long term, including managing properties that support thousands of student housing beds for Cornell University. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:06:48Prior to the first quarter of twenty twenty five, we recorded a specific reserve on this relationship of 1,900,000.0 During the first quarter of this year, an appraisal was updated on the $4,500,000 multi bank deal, which resulted in a $1,200,000 specific reserve on that portion of the relationship. This brings a specific reserve on the entire $13,500,000 credit exposure to $3,100,000 as of 03/31/2025. The multi bank deals associated with a high-tech business park that is about 80% occupied and includes many high quality tenants, including the local health system and Cornell University. We continue to actively manage this situation and pursue the resolution while evaluating underlying collateral, and we will take appropriate action to ensure specific reserves are timely and appropriate. Turning to consumer lending, indirect balances were up just shy of 1% from December 31 and down 7% year over year. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:07:51Consumer indirect net charge offs and nonperforming loans improved from the comparable prior periods. Indirect has proven to be a durable asset class through various economic cycles given our approach to prime credit originations. Generally, our borrowers have prioritized car payments in support of jobs and economic stability considering the limited mass transportation in our Upstate New York markets. Should the economy soften, we believe that reliable transportation will be important to ensure borrowers are able to maintain stable employment. Another dynamic to consider is that while tariffs are likely to impact the supply chain and new car availability, used car prices are expected to increase, which we have started to observe. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:08:36This has the potential to reduce average losses on repossessed vehicles, which would support lower net charge off ratios. Residential lending was down 1% from both the linked and year ago quarters, given the high competition and tight housing inventory in our Upstate New York markets. The credit quality in this portfolio has been solid and consistent for us, and net charge offs have remained fairly benign. Deposits were up 5.3% from year end twenty twenty four, driven by seasonally higher public deposit balances and an increase in brokered deposits. Deposits were relatively flat with 03/31/2024, down a modest 0.4%, primarily due to decrease in reciprocal deposits and the wind down of our banking as a service offering. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:09:25Cash related deposits totaled approximately $55,000,000 at 03/31/2025. Based on when our remaining fintech partners transition to new banking providers, we may see a small portion of these deposits remain on the balance sheet into the third quarter, but we expect most of what remains to flow out in the second quarter. We remain committed to core in market deposit gathering with relationship based accounts. Finally, in mid April, we utilized a portion of the proceeds of our public equity offering to call $10,000,000 of fixed to floating sub debt that was issued in April 2015 and repriced earlier this month. Outstanding subordinated debt for the company currently totals $65,000,000 including the remaining $30,000,000 tranche from April 2015 and the $35,000,000 tranche issued in October 2020. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:10:19We will continue to evaluate options for these sub debt facilities moving forward. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jack for additional commentary on our financial results and 2025 expectations. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:10:31Thank you, Marty. Good morning, everyone. Our first quarter results were strong by many measures and put us on solid footing early in the year. Net income was $16,900,000 and diluted EPS was $0.81 for the quarter, driven by improved net interest income, as previously mentioned, coupled with our ongoing focus on noninterest expense management. We were also pleased to report return on average common equity of 11.92% and return on average tangible common equity of 13.36%. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:11:08Our 2025 guidance remains largely unchanged, outside of an upward revision to noninterest income expectations that I'll touch on shortly. We continue to expect a full year net interest margin of between three forty five and three fifty five basis points. Using a spot rate forecast as of 03/31/2025, this does not factor in future rate cuts. Of the 44 basis points of margin expansion that occurred on a linked quarter basis, 37 basis points was driven by the late twenty twenty four investment securities restructuring, with approximately seven basis points attributed to core NIM expansion. Continued margin build in the upcoming quarters is expected to be driven by a combination of low production and mix as well as downward deposit repricing due largely to maturities and renewals of time deposits and pricing reductions on higher yielding money market products. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:12:06We were effective in our ability to reprice deposits in the first quarter, reducing the cost of products across retail, commercial and municipal deposits at a slightly faster clip than loans repriced. Overall, cost of funds decreased nine basis points, while average loan yields decreased eight basis points. As a reminder, approximately 40% of our loan portfolio is floating, with the majority priced off prime and SOFR indices. In January, we outlined expectations for noninterest income of between 9,500,000.0 to $10,000,000 per quarter or between 38,000,000 to $40,000,000 for the full year 2025. This guidance excludes losses on investment securities, impairment of investment tax credits and other categories that are difficult to predict, such as limited partnership income. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:13:02In the first quarter, the aforementioned categories had somewhat of an offsetting effect. And excluding them, noninterest income for the quarter was at about $10,500,000 Among the drivers of this above guide quarterly noninterest income was a company owned life insurance restructuring initiated in the first quarter. While this surrender and redeploy strategy is expected to support a higher level of COLI income moving forward, the level will moderate starting in the third quarter. Presently, we continue to recognize income on the surrender policies as we await receipt of approximately $73,000,000 of surrender policy proceeds from the carrier, which is expected to occur in June. As a result, the second quarter will be elevated relative to the future COLI run rate by about $275,000 Given the impact of the COLI strategy initiated in the first quarter, we are increasing our expectations for noninterest income to between 10,000,000 to $10,500,000 per quarter or between $40,000,000 to $42,000,000 for full year 2025. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:14:08Investment advisory revenue increased 7% on a linked quarter basis and 6% from the first quarter of twenty twenty four, driven by a combination of new business and market driven growth positively impacting assets under management. As AUMs at our wealth management subsidiary, Career Capital increased to 3,170,000,000.00 up approximately $72,000,000 from December 31. As we shared on our last call, we welcomed a new team that was the primary driver of new business in the quarter, and we look forward to their continued contributions as we seek to grow our RIA subsidiary. Noninterest expense of $33,700,000 was lighter than the $35,000,000 quarterly expense rate we guided, largely due to lower salaries and benefits driven by favorability in vacancy as we carried a higher level of open positions than planned. We have maintained a prudent approach to attrition and filling open positions to ensure our human resource investments are thoughtful and focused on our highest priority needs. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:15:14We also benefited from a $600,000 recovery on a prior year fraud loss that resulted in lower charge off items than our typical run rate. We continue to expect approximately 35,000,000 of quarterly non interest expense through the remainder of 2025, consistent with our original full year guidance. We remain focused on effective expense management even as we invest in our people, processes and technology to support our future growth and performance. Our provision for credit losses was $2,900,000 in the current quarter compared to a provision of $6,500,000 in the linked quarter. First quarter twenty twenty five provision for credit losses was driven by a combination of factors, including the impact of loan growth and an increase in specific reserves as Marty covered. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:16:03These factors were partially offset by modest improvement in forecasted losses and qualitative factors, primarily reflecting a reduction in consumer indirect delinquencies. At 03/31/2025, the loan loss reserve coverage ratio was 1.08% compared to 1.07 at 12/31/2024. And we remain comfortable at this level given our commitment to the importance of credit discipline. Our net charge offs for Q1 were 21 basis points, below our full year guided range. We are maintaining our full year net charge off expectations of between 25 to 35 basis points of average loans as we are being conservative with our outlook given the current uncertain political and economic environment. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:16:51We also maintain our guidance for the 2025 effective tax rate of between 17% to 19, including the impact of the amortization of tax credit investments placed in service in recent years. Our 2025 performance targets are focused on profitability and credit disciplined loan growth. We delivered on this promise in the first quarter and are very well positioned to continue executing on these objectives in 2025 and forward. That concludes my prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back to Marty. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:17:21Thanks, Jack. Overall, our first quarter illustrates what we believe we're capable of: higher returns on average assets and equity, a more efficiently run business and a financial institution that meets the needs of the individuals and families, businesses, municipalities and not for profits in our markets in a simple, connected and trusted way. Our leadership is firmly focused on these outcomes. As we announced in March, we recently welcomed a new executive to our team. Eric Marks has joined us Officer, bringing deep in market banking experience that spans many facets of consumer banking leadership, financial oversight and strategic planning. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:18:07We look forward to his contributions as we focus on driving sustainable customer growth and customer service excellence in Five Star's retail network and our 49 banking locations across Western And Central New York. Earlier this month, we filed our 2025 proxy statement. Among the directors up for election this year are Angela Panzarella, who was appointed in January to our Board and has deep corporate strategy, financial and business operations experience grounded in public company governance and professional experiences and Bob Schrader, a new director nominee, bringing more than twenty five years of experience in corporate finance and public accounting, including his current role as Chief Financial Officer of Paychex, which qualifies him as a financial expert for purposes. Mr. Schrader succeeds Sam Gullow, who is retiring at our May following twenty five years of dedicated service to our company. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:19:06We are grateful for his counsel and leadership over the years, and we look forward to the contributions our two newest directors will make as we continue to execute our strategic objectives. In addition to voting on the election of directors, executive compensation and the ratification of our outside audit firm, shareholders are being asked to vote on an amendment to our long term incentive plan. Details of the proposed changes are outlined in our proxy, so we encourage you to read the material that is available at proxydocs.com/ fisi and vote your shares to be represented. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the call for questions. Operator00:19:47Thank Our first question is from Frank Schiraldi of Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:20:10Good morning. On loan growth, you guys were obviously strong loan growth in the first quarter. You mentioned, Marty, driven by commercial. And many banks I talked to are assuming more of a pickup in the back half of the year as maybe we get more certainty around policy. It seems like you guys are sort of thinking the opposite. So just wanted to get your thoughts on maybe perhaps that loan growth outlook for the year is quite conservative at this point? Or I guess just how confident are you that loan growth should be front loaded here? Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:20:52So as Jack commented as well, we're comfortable with what we've guided. We have been working with our teams over the course of the last six to eight months to ensure that there's a focus and a consistent activity relative to business development activities across all of our lending areas, particularly focused on commercial of all sizes and types. And we saw the outcome clearly carry through in this quarter, which we're very pleased with. But Frank, we've been, like everyone, observing what's happened since the election and kind of the very positive feelings that were happening there with maybe possibly more business focused, streamlined regulatory environment in general and how the markets reacted to that, to how it has evolved to lots of executive orders, tariffs, pressure on inflation, outlook for rates, etcetera. So that's translated into what we've all read about our customers. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:21:54We canvassed them, all of them, really. We've asked our lenders to reach out to all of them in this time of uncertainty. And with uncertainty, folks have really started to pause anticipated investment in their plant equipment, projects, whatever it might be until some of this works its way through. So we're going to continue to overcommunicate with our customers. We're going to continue our consistent approach to calling and servicing our markets. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:22:22But right now, it just seems like folks have generally with uncertainty and increased volatility taking a step back to, like all of us, see where this goes. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:22:35Okay. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:22:37And the other side of that is the NIM guide in terms of I'm wondering if you could just talk to some levers to get you up into that range that you cite for full year guide. Maybe along with that, you have the detail around CDs coming up maturing, sort of the numbers there and what you are expecting you can pick up in average cost as you move through the year on that book? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:23:15Yes, Frank, this is Jack. I can take that one. So some of the levers that we have that are driving that continued improvement in margin are the $1,200,000,000 of cash flow that we have coming off the portfolio on a rolling twelve month basis. If you refer to the investor presentation, there's a slide in there that highlights roll off yield and roll on yield. On the commercial portfolio for the first quarter, we saw roll on yield coming on about 70 to 80 basis points on average higher than what was coming off the portfolio. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:23:50So that's benefited some of the earning asset side. We've continued to push down on deposit repricing, which has benefited us from a cost of funds perspective. We have about $500,000,000 of CDs coming up on maturity for renewal in the next nine months, which will continue to benefit us. And then if we look at our guided range, one of the areas that we didn't include in our guidance was any change in interest rates. So we budgeted and forecasted a spot rate forecast, which we updated again as of the end of the first quarter. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:24:28The shape of the curve is very important to future outcomes there. So if we see rate cuts and the long end of the curve kind of hold steady, we're fairly neutral within our guidance range, probably closer to the lower end. If we see a steepening of the curve and rate cuts, then there's opportunities for outperformance on the higher end. So I'm very comfortable with the range we provided for margin. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:24:53Okay. No, I appreciate it. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:24:55That's great color. And then just a follow-up quick follow-up to that, and I apologize if it's in some of your public documents. I can refer to that. But in terms of the CDs that you cited coming up maturing over the nine next nine months through the rest of the year. What is what are those average costs? Do you have that? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:25:18Yes. I they're about 4.5%. They were typically anchored in shorter term CD specials that we offered in 2024 that range anywhere from 4% to 5%. So the weighted average cost on those is about 4.5%. Frank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler Companies00:25:36Great. Okay. Thanks for the color, guys. Appreciate it. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:25:42Thanks, Frank. Operator00:25:49Our next question is from Damon DelMonte of KBW. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:25:57Hey, good morning everyone. I hope you're all doing well today. Just wanted to ask a question about the COLI expected income over the next couple of quarters. Jack, I think you had mentioned that you expect it to be elevated again here in the second quarter and then kind of a more normalized level. So I mean, is this basically going to be like flat from 1Q to 2Q and then drop back down to the $1,500,000 range? Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:26:25Or how do we kind of think about the cadence of that? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:26:30Yes, there be a slight increase in 2Q and then flat back beyond that. What we did was we surrendered some of the lower performing general account and then added premium into existing exposure that we had with our separate account COLI, and that is what drove the significant increase in yield associated with it given the underlying investment divisions that we have in that separate account structure. The general account that we surrendered, haven't even though it was deemed surrendered and in good order, we have yet to receive back the cash surrender value on that to the tune of about $73,000,000 which is still out there yielding low single digits, and we expect to receive that back in June. So that's what's causing the short term increase in COLI income. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:27:20Okay. But when it goes back to like when all the dust settles and it goes back to like a normalized rate, it's going to be higher than the 24 quarterly level. Is that correct? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:27:33Correct. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:27:35Okay. Alright. Thank you. And as we think about like provision and kind of outlook for credit, you guys kind of conservatively reiterated the expected net charge offs for the remainder of the year. And if the loan growth kind of slowing a bit here in the second half potentially, is it fair to kind of assume that the provision kind of takes a step down from where maybe kind of from this quarter's level or similar to this quarter's level? Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:28:09I would suggest that our guided ACL to average loans ratio continue to hover around that 107 to 108 basis points for the rest of the year. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:28:21Okay. All right. That's helpful. We can back into that. Okay. Damon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)00:28:26I think that's all that I had. So thank you very much. Appreciate it. Jack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & Treasurer at Financial Institutions00:28:31Thanks, Damon. Operator00:28:34We have no further questions, so I will hand back to Marty Birmingham for closing remarks. Martin BirminghamPresident & CEO at Financial Institutions Inc.00:28:42Thank you very much for your help this morning, operator. Thanks to all those that are listening in this morning, your interest in the company, your time this morning, and look forward to connecting again in July. Operator00:28:55This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesKate CroftDirector of Investor & External RelationsMartin BirminghamPresident & CEOJack PlantsExecutive VP, CFO & TreasurerAnalystsFrank SchiraldiManaging Director at Piper Sandler CompaniesDamon DelmonteManaging Director at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW)Powered by