NYSE:FCPT Four Corners Property Trust Q1 2025 Earnings Report $27.91 +0.02 (+0.07%) Closing price 05/2/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$27.89 -0.02 (-0.07%) As of 05/2/2025 05:10 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Four Corners Property Trust EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.44Consensus EPS $0.42Beat/MissBeat by +$0.02One Year Ago EPS$0.43Four Corners Property Trust Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$71.48 millionExpected Revenue$67.17 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$4.31 millionYoY Revenue Growth+7.50%Four Corners Property Trust Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date4/30/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateThursday, May 1, 2025Conference Call Time12:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Four Corners Property Trust Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 1, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 13 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome, everyone, to the FCPT First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Becky, and I'll be your operator today. Operator00:00:10During the presentation, you can register a question by pressing star followed by one on your keypad. If you change your mind, please press star followed by 2. I will now hand over to your host, Patrick Wernig, Chief Financial Officer, to begin. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:25Thank you, Becky. During the course of this call, we will make forward looking statements, which are based on our beliefs and assumptions. Actual results will be affected by known and unknown factors that are beyond our control or ability to predict. Our assumptions are not a guarantee of future performance, and some will prove to be incorrect. For a more detailed description of some potential risks, please refer to our SEC filings, which can be found at fcpt.com. Speaker 100:00:48All the information presented on this call is current as today, 05/01/2025. In addition, reconciliation to non GAAP financial measures presented on this call, such as FFO and AFFO, can be found in the company's supplemental report. With that, I will turn the call over to Bill. Speaker 200:01:05Good morning. Following our typical cadence, after my introductory remarks, Josh will comment further on the investment market and Patrick will discuss our financial results and capital position. The start of 2025 continued the momentum we had in the second half of twenty twenty four. We took advantage of our sustained strong cost of capital and added to the pipeline, finding deals that both met our quality standards and with pricing that made sense. This led to Q1 being the highest acquisition volume for our first quarter in the company's history, which similarly followed our highest Q4 volume. Speaker 200:01:41So far this year, we've closed $70,000,000 of acquisitions at a blended 6.7% cap rate. Looking back to when we fully turned the acquisition machine back on in late August, we have closed $269,000,000 of acquisitions over the past eight months. While we do not give acquisition guidance, we are continuing to add toward the pipeline and are seeing opportunities that are consistent with our quality thresholds and within our pricing standards. We note that we have not seen much change in cap rates for recently priced deals. We've continued to build significant liquidity while delevering to preserve optionality on funding new opportunities as they arise. Speaker 200:02:22This includes leaning in on the equity sales via our ATM program, which we have used to raise $475,000,000 in equity since July of last year. Including our unsettled equity forwards, we now have our lowest leverage levels in the last seven years. Simply put, we are well positioned for uncertainty. Shifting to our in place portfolio, we continue to perform well with high rent collections and occupancy. Our rent coverage in the first quarter was 4.9 times for the majority of our portfolio that reports this figure. Speaker 200:02:57This remains amongst the strongest coverage within our industry. FCPT's largest tenants are nationally branded restaurant operators, namely Olive Garden, LongHorn and Chili's. They are leaders for their sectors and generally outperform the industry peers as well as fine dining or local mom and pop brands. Most recently, Brinker reported Chili's same store sales grew 31.6% for the quarter ended March 25. Similarly, Olive Garden and Longhorn reported same sales growth of just shy of 12.6% year over year for the three months ended February 2025, respectively. Speaker 200:03:37While these brands remain core to our portfolio and strategy, as we approach ten years as a public company, we would also highlight our diversification progress over that period. We've grown from four eighteen properties at inception to twelve thirty six leases today. Darden has dropped from 100% of our rent roll to now 47% combined across all of their brands. This improvement is despite acquiring 47 Darden properties post spin. Our top five brands make up 55% of our annual base revenue. Speaker 200:04:11On sector diversification, 67 of our annual base rent comes from casual dining and 11% from quick service. Outside of restaurants, automotive service is our largest sector at 11% of ABR, followed by medical retail at 9% of ABR. As for portfolio management, we are not yet experiencing any material tenancy issues in the portfolio and no current indicators that inflation or tariff issues will impact our rent payments. Further, while the current tariff environment remains uncertain, we expect restaurants to be one of the least tariff affected sectors. Similarly, our other service based tenants should fare better than average retail operators given their low exposure to imported goods as part of their operations. Speaker 200:04:57While we would expect in a recession that we would see some pullback in our tenant performance, we believe that we are well positioned with cushion on our rent coverage to weather any potential issues. Turning to the materials we published last night, we would like to highlight a few new slides in our investor presentation that point to what we believe is FCPT being a calm port in the storm. Our portfolio was built brick by brick to be resilient, and we've paired that with a prudent capital management. We have significant liquidity, no near term debt maturities, granular low basis properties, high rent collections and low overhead. FCPT's portfolio is made up of well capitalized sophisticated operators who we believe will be able to navigate and gain share in this challenging macro environment. Speaker 200:05:44We pride ourselves on transparency and best in class disclosure. So in addition to our press release regime on new acquisitions, this quarter we decided to further break out our portfolio to the top 35 brands, which make up more than 80% of our ABR. Our goal is for our investors to understand our tenant exposures and have confidence that we'll stay disciplined on meeting quality expectations for the properties we buy. To that end, you will see in our filings, we have zero or near zero exposure to the problem net lease sectors such as theaters, pharmacy, high rent car washes and big box retail. Over to you, Josh. Speaker 300:06:25Thank you, Bill. During the first quarter, we acquired 23 properties for $57,000,000 at a blended 6.7% cap rate with a weighted average lease term of seventeen years. We did not sell any properties in the quarter. While Q1 is typically our slowest quarter, we continue to deliver on the strong investment momentum we achieved in the second half of twenty twenty four. As a result, we believe that we stand very well positioned at the end of the first four months in 2025, having both come off a record Q1 to start the year right after a record Q4 last year as we continue to build out the pipeline. Speaker 300:07:03We are achieving this without compromising on the quality of our asset selection or the credit standards to meet yield or volume targets. Our disclosure regime is particularly helpful in times like these where investors can read through our frequent press releases to see how our acquisitions and the brands we work with are highly consistent with past years. Our team is being patient and organized, tracking our opportunity sets for both on and off market investments and including robust analytics to help us identify the best opportunities. In other words, we are not chasing deals, but rather selecting the best ones that fit our portfolio even if that means leaning in slightly on cap rate to capture these higher quality deals, all while still protecting accretion. Reflecting back on Q1, '80 '3 percent of our investment volume was via COE spec as operators continue to seek stable financing solutions in this current market. Speaker 300:07:57As such, our weighted average lease term this year was much higher at seventeen years. In particular, we had three sale leasebacks of note with QSR operators, One with Burger King corporate, another with a large multiunit Burger King franchisee, and lastly with the Whataburger franchisee. The two Burger King deals were both part of M and A transactions while the Whataburger deal was for the newly built stores. It's worth noting that similar QSR properties typically command very aggressive cap rates in the upper 5% to low 6% cap rate range when sold piecemeal. Individual investors favor these small price points per property and the fungibility of their real estate. Speaker 300:08:36However, our team was able to achieve accretive pricing here by offering a portfolio solution and efficient execution for our operating partners. All three transactions were negotiated off market and a product of years of relationship cultivation from our investment team. Looking forward, we will continue to target similar opportunities, nationally recognized brands operated by best in class operators with appropriate basis. While this quarter ended up having more quick service restaurants, some automotive and no medical retail investments, we remind everyone that our team does not specifically allocate target buckets or quotas across our investment sectors. Rather, we make investments when opportunities meet our underwriting criteria. Speaker 300:09:17That being said, we still expect these sectors to be roughly even split between these three target categories of ours over the long term. Looking forward, FCPT's opportunity set continues to grow despite a volatile macro environment. We have a steady pipeline built out for Q2 and aim to continue to execute on our strategy with discipline. Patrick, back over to you. Speaker 100:09:39Thanks, Josh. I'll start by talking about capital sourcing and the state of our balance sheet. At STPT, we are highly focused on efficient capital raising. We raised over $169,000,000 in 2025 to date on top of the 318,000,000 equity in 2024. Today, have $254,000,000 of unsettled equity forwards. Speaker 100:09:59The ability to raise forward ATM quickly and at scale has allowed us to match sources and uses more effectively. Furthermore, the high SOFR rate has allowed for a minimum drag of our forward balance given we receive interest income on the balance at over 4%. With respect to overall leverage, our net debt to adjusted EBITDAre in Q1 continued to move lower to 4.4 times inclusive of outstanding net equity forwards as of March 31. This leverage is at a seven year low and provides capacity for us to continue to execute our business plan even if the current volatility persists or we are unable to raise additional capital for the rest of the year. We've also layered in additional hedges to our floating rate exposure, raising us to over 95% fixed through Q3 twenty twenty seven. Speaker 100:10:44Our revolver is fully available at $350,000,000, and we have, with extension options, essentially no debt maturities for nearly two years. Additionally, our fixed charge coverage ratio is a healthy 4.4 times. Altogether, this puts us in a great liquidity position. We have approximately $617,000,000 available for funding acquisitions between cash, unsettled forward equity, and undrawn revolver capacity. Assuming no further equity issuance, have an approximate $565,000,000 of available capital before reaching six times net leverage. Speaker 100:11:15Now turning to some of our financial highlights for q one. We reported q one AFFO of 44¢ per share, which is up 2.3% from q one last year. Q1 cash rental income was $63,200,000 representing growth of 9.1% for the quarter compared to last year. On a run rate basis, current annual cash based rent for leases in place as of quarter end is $243,900,000 and our weighted average five year annual cash rent escalator remains 1.4%. Cash G and A expense, excluding stock based compensation, was $4,900,000 representing 7.7% of cash rental income for the quarter compared to 7.9 for the quarter last year. Speaker 100:11:55This progress illustrates our continued efforts at efficient growth and the benefits of improving scale. We're still expecting cash G and A will be in the range of $18,000,000 to $18,500,000 for 2025. As a reminder, we take a conservative approach and do not capitalize any of compensation costs related to our investment team. As for managing our lease maturity profile, our team has made significant progress on 2025 maturities with 88% of those tenants already extending their leases or indicating an intent to do so. As of quarter end, expirations represent just point 5% of ABR, and 2026 is 2.3%. Speaker 100:12:32Our portfolio occupancy today is 99.4%, and we collected 99.5% of base rent for the first quarter. There were no material changes to our collectability or credit reserves nor any balance sheet impairments. With that, we'll turn it back over to Becky for questions. Operator00:12:48Thank Speaker 400:13:17Just on a little bit of slight yield compression in the quarter. Is that due to the fact that there's maybe more competition in your sectors for these assets given the insulation from tariffs? Speaker 200:13:32Hard to say. I would say the vast majority is related to the high percentage of QSR restaurant acquisitions in the quarter. Speaker 400:13:43Okay. And then maybe just on the the pipeline more generally, you know, you have a a big fourth quarter followed up with a a very strong first quarter. You know, what's your governor on growth? And and maybe just some color around what your pipeline looks like. I'm curious, Patrick, you talked about smart capital raising. Speaker 400:13:59I'm curious if that's it or if it's just the amount of deals or if it's the size of your, you know, your team. I'm curious what keeps you from maybe taking up a a step further from here. Speaker 200:14:09Sure. And and, John, maybe just to more completely answer your first question, I think if we were targeting sectors that were very exposed to tariffs, we would have a much higher cap rate, obviously. But as the great research you published recently, Speaker 300:14:27we Speaker 200:14:28have very low tariff exposure in our portfolio. As far as governors to growth, that's a much longer answer. But I think the kind of acquisitions that we're working on is what largely determines how much we buy in a quarter. So whether it's sale leasebacks, which were prominent in this quarter and in Q4, are much more efficient. Individual one off deals, it becomes challenging to have that many balls in the air on $2,000,000 acquisitions, dollars 3,000,000 acquisitions to put up larger volumes. Speaker 200:15:11But we really don't look at it that way. We're trying to score assets and buy assets that have sufficient quality, and then making sure that we raise the money the right way. And I think we feel particularly proud over the last couple of years that when the environment was sufficient for acquisitions but our cost of capital wasn't there, we responsibly paused. But then when there was alignment where there was acquisitions to do and our cost of capital was there, we acted with emphasis. Speaker 300:15:49All right. Thank you. Operator00:15:55Our next question comes from Michael Goldsmith from UBS. Speaker 500:16:05This is Catherine Graves on for Michael. Thank you for taking my question. So my first just looking at the volume that you achieved in 1Q. So last year, the acquisition sort of ramped up through the year. Can you provide any color on what you're expecting as far as the cadence for this year, especially starting at such a higher base? Speaker 200:16:26Yes. Q4 has historically been a very strong quarter for us. And I'm not sure why, Catherine, to be honest with you. There's a dynamic where people wanna get things done in a fiscal year perhaps. But, you know, we have a very good pipeline right now. Speaker 200:16:46Deals typically have sixty to ninety day sort of life cycles. Sixty would be a minimum. So we really don't have a lot of visibility on the second half of the year. And certainly, with all the macro uncertainty, it's it's very hard to tell. But we are staffed and capitalized and very focused and organized in executing the rest of the year. Speaker 200:17:11But we don't give guidance, because, really, we wanna make sure that we have, the best sort of decision making hygiene and making acquisitions. Speaker 500:17:23Fair enough. Thank you. And then my second question, you acquired several Burger Kings in this past quarter, and and I'm sure you saw there was recently a a large franchisee who filed for bankruptcy. Is your sense that this was sort of a franchisee specific issue, or has anything changed as far as how you monitor the health of of your Burger King tenants? Speaker 200:17:45Very much a a specific issue to that franchisee. Speaker 500:17:52Got it. Thank you. Operator00:17:56Thank you. Our next question comes from Anthony Paolone from JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:05Yes. Thank you. I know this may not be completely apples to apples because I understand the skew towards QSRs with your cap rates, but we do see some of the other net lease names doing deals in the sevens. And so I was wondering if you can maybe give us some sense as to maybe how you see the difference between going from, like, say, high sixes into the low mid sevens and what the the give and take might be there. Speaker 200:18:35You know, certainly see things that are for sale that are you know, let's not draw too fine a point on it. Call it seven and a half caps in north. And they typically have they're either in sub sectors that we don't like, like pharmacy or experiential, or that we haven't historically been involved with, or the credit isn't very good, or the rents are really high. And so all those factors show up in our scorecard to scores that are insufficient for us to proceed. Now that doesn't mean that there isn't one transaction where you feel like you're getting a great price or another transaction where you still see real strategic reasons to lean in by 20 basis points or something like that. Speaker 200:19:29But on average, what we've what we have seen is that cap rates that are higher enough from what we're posting to matter involve, you know, measurably more risk. And I would say that one of the things that's, I think, very helpful about our reporting regime is you you know what we're buying for that cap rate. And what we see some of our peers do is pursue what I would call barbell strategies where they disclose tenants that shareholders are happy that they're buying, but disclose a cap rate that involves a bunch of tenants that they don't talk about. And so I think our straightforward, very transparent strategy Speaker 100:20:17should give Speaker 200:20:17you comfort that what we're buying is thoughtfully selected and and not to hit some, you know, metric for a quarterly disclosure. Speaker 600:20:30Okay. Thanks. And then just on on the pipeline, are there any larger type transactions that you see in the mix? Or is it pretty much all the one by ones? Speaker 200:20:43It's a mix. We're always working on larger transactions. We have a handful in the hopper. I would reflect that we haven't really seen a dynamic where there's portfolio discounts. In fact, in some cases, we found that the larger transactions have more competition. Speaker 200:21:04And, I think we saw that clearly in a large transaction, that one of our peers did last winter. So, it's a mixed, Anthony, but but I also wouldn't say that large transactions come at bargain prices by any means. Speaker 100:21:22Okay. Thanks. Operator00:21:26Thank you. Our next question comes from Wes Golladay from Baird. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:21:34Hey. Good morning, guys. Can you talk about how you underwrite the smaller franchisees? I think you mentioned you do get a corporate guarantee, but how how small are some of these franchisees? Speaker 200:21:45Yeah. So our small franchisees, I think, would be considered very large for our peers. We don't have a ton of franchisee exposure, and the franchisee exposure we have tends to be with franchise times, you know, 100 type size franchisees. So we get financials. We do a typical credit underwriting. Speaker 200:22:07But franchisee credit is not a big part of our business. And I would say the dynamic where some of our peers will sort of put people into business by buying real estate for them or developing real estate for them, and you know, by definition, that's a very, very small sort of individual size business entity. It's not something we do. Speaker 700:22:34Okay. And then you have been building up the team, developing a lot of new relationships over the last few years. Just curious how much the new deal flow is from these new relationships? Speaker 200:22:46You know, it's there's some of that, but a lot of it is, frankly, deals that we've been tracking for years and, now have an advantage cost of capital and sellers are more willing to meet us on price because of the overall macro uncertainty. So I don't think it's the algorithm isn't something like new acquisition person at six months has four relationships, and at twelve months has eight, and therefore, can count on deal flow from that. You know, we we have been doing more outreach outreach recently. And as you mentioned, we've expanded our acquisition team. We have the largest acquisition class coming in this summer of three folks out of undergrad and two interns. Speaker 200:23:32And we're really excited to get them up to speed. I think they'll make a real impact. Speaker 700:23:41Okay. Thanks. Operator00:23:45Thank you. Our next question comes from Kyle Katarinke from Janney. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:23:53Hey. Good morning, guys. What is the range of EBITDAR coverage ratios for recent acquisitions? And is is there any difference between restaurant and non restaurant segments there? Speaker 200:24:02Yeah. We don't disclose on a quarterly basis coverage ratios. Obviously, we have to sign confidentiality agreements to get financials. And so I don't think we're gonna be in a position to disclose those on a quarterly basis. I would say on a I think the credit metrics are fairly similar across the different industries. Speaker 200:24:27Although I would say within medical, it's a little bit harder to define four wall, because you might have a patient who's visiting our retail outpatient center, for example, but also as part of their care going to the hospital system that it's associated with. So saying that that four wall is X is a little bit more ambiguous. But the credit is very similar on a corporate leverage basis, you know, being in the mid single digits, and four wall coverage being, you know, typically three plus times. Speaker 800:25:07Okay. And then at what point would you guys consider lease too conservative where there's potential opportunity cost in the form of lost rents? And then on the flip side, what point would you feel uncomfortable underwriting a new lease in terms of coverage? Just trying to get Speaker 900:25:20a range of and how you guys think about that. Thanks. Speaker 200:25:24Yeah. So if I understand your question, is could we take more risk and still be in a safe position? Yeah. If that's the gist of Speaker 1000:25:34Yeah. Speaker 300:25:35Exactly. Yeah. Then, like, on the yeah. Speaker 800:25:36Then, like, upper limit too conservative of the coverage ratio. Like, at what point is that? Speaker 1000:25:40Is that six six and a half times? Speaker 200:25:44Sure. So, well, I guess I'd make two reflections. To back test, are we being too conservative? We do go back and look at things that we looked at and didn't do. And it's very clear to us that the outcomes of the things that we passed on are far less favorable than what we've done. Speaker 200:26:09Okay? And that's both in taking buildings that to the naked eye, you know, it's a brand it's a it's a business that we bought. It's a brand that we've bought. But what you can't see is the lease is too short or the rents are too high or the tenant has bad financials that that very frequently things that we've looked at and passed on have turned out to be, you know, unfortunate outcomes. So that's one. Speaker 200:26:37Two, I would observe that rents on that lease are relatively random. And so you may have a a Burger King that has $70,000 worth of rent and one that has a hundred and $7,000 worth of rent and one that has a hundred and $70,000 worth of rent. And they look exactly the same other than their rent number. And so the coverage would obviously be way different on the $70,000 worth of rent than the 170,000 And so I think a big part of our job is searching for properties that have great performance but reasonable rents. And so I don't think that there's an upper limit of what we would consider. Speaker 200:27:17Now obviously when that lease matures, which is usually very far into the future given extension options, you know, we have some rent upside, and we have experienced some positive outcomes there. The last thing I'd point out, maybe a different answer to your question. Having gone through the financial crisis earlier in my career, the dot com bust very early in my career, COVID, more recently. There's a a dynamic where when when there's substantial uncertainty and you have the ability to be on offense, there's enormous advantage to that. And so we go into this current environment with the lowest leverage we've had in a long time. Speaker 200:27:58We have more liquidity from undrawn forwards than we've had in a long time. And we have a portfolio that's in fantastic shape. So if the issue is we might be a little bit too conservative historically, I'll take that in order to be in a position to be aggressive if opportunities knock. Speaker 800:28:19Thank you. I appreciate the context. Operator00:28:24Thank you. Our next question comes from R. J. Milligan from Raymond James. Speaker 1000:28:41Bill, you talked about running leverage at the lowest level it's been in quite some time, if not ever. I'm just curious, given the fact that your cost of capital is attractive here, how do you think about potentially further delevering or loading up the balance sheet for opportunities that might arise later? Speaker 200:29:00Yeah. So it's a great question. And and I think the interesting dynamic is, as Pat mentioned, when SOFR is 4% and so that the you know, you you pay your dividend, in essence, on the forward, and you receive so for and there's some fees involved. But that's the basic building blocks. The cost of having this liquidity is very low. Speaker 200:29:27When rates were zero and you're paying a 5% dividend, well shucks, it gets expensive if you have too much of a forward and you're not using it in a timely manner. So we felt that the opportunity cost of having substantial liquidity was very minimal. And we were opportunistic because of the fee structure of the ATM. And just so everyone's clear, ATM has been the technology we've used to raise equity almost exclusively for something like the last seven or eight years. It has a very advantaged fee and discount structure. Speaker 200:30:09And so when that capital was available, because the opportunity cost of holding that forward position was minimal, we took advantage of it. And I think that puts us in a really good position. When I say it's volatile out there, it's not sort of my opinion. You you can look at the VIX, and it's it's a quite volatile environment. But we're you know, we love being very liquid when there's stress in the streets. Speaker 1000:30:43Okay. And and so, Bill, you you had given some same store stats on some of the tenants at the beginning of the call. Obviously, concerns out there that we might head into a recession Obviously, the data has been pretty mixed. But if we were to see a a a downturn or a recession, how do you think that might change the pipeline, whether it be volume, competition, or pricing? Speaker 200:31:09You know, we went through COVID and our portfolio performed extremely well, but I wouldn't say there were bargains to be had on any sustained basis during that time. This is a different scenario. I think our portfolio will perform very well. We're essentially 100% occupied, so I can't promise that it would improve, because it's about as full as it can be. But I think we'd be in a really good position. Speaker 200:31:41Do we then have interesting opportunities to deploy capital in acquisitions? Unclear, to an earlier question, we tend to target sectors that have less targeted tariff exposure. There's been two Wall Street research reports on the net lease industry and tariff exposure. I think we were sort of the most favorable of the industry in both of those. I encourage you to track them down. Speaker 200:32:07But will we get this situation where we have really interesting investment opportunities? I can't say for sure. I can say that we have the money for it. We have the people for it. We are focused on it. Speaker 200:32:20But we we we need the market to come to us to find high quality deals that we can buy at at better than historic prices. Speaker 1000:32:32Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, guys. Operator00:32:37Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Wayne from Barclays. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:32:46Hi. Good afternoon. Rent collections ticked up a bit this quarter. They're still strong, but I'm just wondering what types of tenants are nonpaying now and if you're working on anything at those properties to increase the collections numbers further. Speaker 200:33:03Yeah. It's basically one tenant. We have a personal guarantee from that tenant that we're pursuing, and we've made substantial progress releasing the buildings. So it's very, very small, sort of a one off thing. Speaker 1100:33:22Mhmm. And and and what kind of releasing spreads, you know, have you gotten on trade outs like that historically? Speaker 200:33:29Yeah. It's it's just a couple buildings. I think we'll be in a good spot, but we we're not gonna comment on ongoing lease negotiations when it's only a couple buildings. Speaker 1000:33:42Thank you for the Speaker 100:33:43questions. Yep. Operator00:33:47Thank you. Our next question comes from James Kamert from Evercore. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1200:33:55Thank you. Thanks for the time. Kind of a bigger picture question, Bill. You mentioned you're building acquisition staff and have been. You've got the balance sheet in a great position. Speaker 1200:34:06Are you adding other sort of capabilities or data sets to your underwriting? Know you've been pleased with like deal path technology, etcetera, to date, but I'm just curious, you know, how you're setting up for the next phase of growth and if that entails any other incremental steps that you're doing to further enhance the underwriting? Thanks. Speaker 200:34:23That's a really good question. You know, I think like every company, we're trying to figure out how AI will make us more efficient. I think we have just more people to work on projects and to explore potential new industries. We've built more substantially more muscle in our asset management group with some really exciting hires there that are getting up to speed. Historically, we didn't need much of that function. Speaker 200:34:54But as we have added several hundred buildings, it's become our portfolio is in fantastic shape, but there's more to do. But I'm really excited, as I said, about the new folks that are joining. They'll be able to to, you know, use the technology that we have. We'll be able to put more emphasis on automating things that can be automated. But there's a there's a lot that we can do with with the existing technology that we have. Speaker 200:35:24And and as you mentioned, you know, deal path is an integral part of running our business. And we've done a number of investor sessions where we take people through our underwriting and deal path. If there are those who'd like to do that, we'd be more than, happy to do it. I think investors have almost universally found it, a valuable forty five minutes of their time. Speaker 1200:35:49Thank you for your time. Operator00:35:54Thank you. We currently have no further questions. This concludes our Q and A and consequently today's call. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallFour Corners Property Trust Q1 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) Four Corners Property Trust Earnings HeadlinesFour Corners Property Trust, Inc. (FCPT) Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptMay 1 at 3:03 PM | seekingalpha.comFCPT Announces First Quarter 2025 Financial and Operating ResultsApril 30 at 4:05 PM | businesswire.comThe Man I Turn to In Times Like ThisA storm is brewing in the markets: new tariffs, recession warnings, and panic in the headlines. That’s when publisher Brett Aitken turns to Whitney Tilson—a man CNBC once dubbed “The Prophet.” Tilson just released a new prediction that runs counter to what mainstream finance is telling you.May 3, 2025 | Stansberry Research (Ad)3 Top Dividend Stocks Yielding 5% or More to Buy Right Now to Boost Your Passive IncomeApril 27, 2025 | fool.comFour Corners Property Trust, Inc. (NYSE:FCPT) Receives $30.20 Consensus Target Price from AnalystsApril 24, 2025 | americanbankingnews.comBarclays Remains a Hold on Four Corners Property (FCPT)April 23, 2025 | markets.businessinsider.comSee More Four Corners Property Trust Headlines Get Earnings Announcements in your inboxWant to stay updated on the latest earnings announcements and upcoming reports for companies like Four Corners Property Trust? Sign up for Earnings360's daily newsletter to receive timely earnings updates on Four Corners Property Trust and other key companies, straight to your email. Email Address About Four Corners Property TrustFour Corners Property Trust (NYSE:FCPT) engages in the owning, acquisition, and leasing of properties for use in the restaurant and food-service related industries. It operates through the Real Estate Operations and Restaurant Operations segments. The Real Estate Operations segment consists of rental revenues generated by leasing restaurant properties. The Restaurant Operations segment includes the Kerrow Restaurant operating business. The company was founded on July 2, 2015 and is headquartered in Mill Valley, CA.View Four Corners Property Trust ProfileRead more More Earnings Resources from MarketBeat Earnings Tools Today's Earnings Tomorrow's Earnings Next Week's Earnings Upcoming Earnings Calls Earnings Newsletter Earnings Call Transcripts Earnings Beats & Misses Corporate Guidance Earnings Screener Earnings By Country U.S. Earnings Reports Canadian Earnings Reports U.K. Earnings Reports Latest Articles Amazon Earnings: 2 Reasons to Love It, 1 Reason to Be CautiousMeta Takes A Bow With Q1 Earnings - Watch For Tariff Impact in Q2Palantir Earnings: 1 Bullish Signal and 1 Area of ConcernVisa Q2 Earnings Top Forecasts, Adds $30B Buyback PlanMicrosoft Crushes Earnings, What’s Next for MSFT Stock?Qualcomm's Earnings: 2 Reasons to Buy, 1 to Stay AwayAMD Stock Signals Strong Buy Ahead of Earnings Upcoming Earnings Palantir Technologies (5/5/2025)Vertex Pharmaceuticals (5/5/2025)Realty Income (5/5/2025)Williams Companies (5/5/2025)CRH (5/5/2025)Advanced Micro Devices (5/6/2025)American Electric Power (5/6/2025)Constellation Energy (5/6/2025)Marriott International (5/6/2025)Energy Transfer (5/6/2025) Get 30 Days of MarketBeat All Access for Free Sign up for MarketBeat All Access to gain access to MarketBeat's full suite of research tools. Start Your 30-Day Trial MarketBeat All Access Features Best-in-Class Portfolio Monitoring Get personalized stock ideas. Compare portfolio to indices. Check stock news, ratings, SEC filings, and more. Stock Ideas and Recommendations See daily stock ideas from top analysts. Receive short-term trading ideas from MarketBeat. Identify trending stocks on social media. Advanced Stock Screeners and Research Tools Use our seven stock screeners to find suitable stocks. Stay informed with MarketBeat's real-time news. Export data to Excel for personal analysis. Sign in to your free account to enjoy these benefits In-depth profiles and analysis for 20,000 public companies. Real-time analyst ratings, insider transactions, earnings data, and more. Our daily ratings and market update email newsletter. Sign in to your free account to enjoy all that MarketBeat has to offer. Sign In Create Account Your Email Address: Email Address Required Your Password: Password Required Log In or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google Forgot your password? Your Email Address: Please enter your email address. Please enter a valid email address Choose a Password: Please enter your password. Your password must be at least 8 characters long and contain at least 1 number, 1 letter, and 1 special character. Create My Account (Free) or Sign in with Facebook Sign in with Google By creating a free account, you agree to our terms of service. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
There are 13 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Hello, and welcome, everyone, to the FCPT First Quarter twenty twenty five Financial Results Conference Call. My name is Becky, and I'll be your operator today. Operator00:00:10During the presentation, you can register a question by pressing star followed by one on your keypad. If you change your mind, please press star followed by 2. I will now hand over to your host, Patrick Wernig, Chief Financial Officer, to begin. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:25Thank you, Becky. During the course of this call, we will make forward looking statements, which are based on our beliefs and assumptions. Actual results will be affected by known and unknown factors that are beyond our control or ability to predict. Our assumptions are not a guarantee of future performance, and some will prove to be incorrect. For a more detailed description of some potential risks, please refer to our SEC filings, which can be found at fcpt.com. Speaker 100:00:48All the information presented on this call is current as today, 05/01/2025. In addition, reconciliation to non GAAP financial measures presented on this call, such as FFO and AFFO, can be found in the company's supplemental report. With that, I will turn the call over to Bill. Speaker 200:01:05Good morning. Following our typical cadence, after my introductory remarks, Josh will comment further on the investment market and Patrick will discuss our financial results and capital position. The start of 2025 continued the momentum we had in the second half of twenty twenty four. We took advantage of our sustained strong cost of capital and added to the pipeline, finding deals that both met our quality standards and with pricing that made sense. This led to Q1 being the highest acquisition volume for our first quarter in the company's history, which similarly followed our highest Q4 volume. Speaker 200:01:41So far this year, we've closed $70,000,000 of acquisitions at a blended 6.7% cap rate. Looking back to when we fully turned the acquisition machine back on in late August, we have closed $269,000,000 of acquisitions over the past eight months. While we do not give acquisition guidance, we are continuing to add toward the pipeline and are seeing opportunities that are consistent with our quality thresholds and within our pricing standards. We note that we have not seen much change in cap rates for recently priced deals. We've continued to build significant liquidity while delevering to preserve optionality on funding new opportunities as they arise. Speaker 200:02:22This includes leaning in on the equity sales via our ATM program, which we have used to raise $475,000,000 in equity since July of last year. Including our unsettled equity forwards, we now have our lowest leverage levels in the last seven years. Simply put, we are well positioned for uncertainty. Shifting to our in place portfolio, we continue to perform well with high rent collections and occupancy. Our rent coverage in the first quarter was 4.9 times for the majority of our portfolio that reports this figure. Speaker 200:02:57This remains amongst the strongest coverage within our industry. FCPT's largest tenants are nationally branded restaurant operators, namely Olive Garden, LongHorn and Chili's. They are leaders for their sectors and generally outperform the industry peers as well as fine dining or local mom and pop brands. Most recently, Brinker reported Chili's same store sales grew 31.6% for the quarter ended March 25. Similarly, Olive Garden and Longhorn reported same sales growth of just shy of 12.6% year over year for the three months ended February 2025, respectively. Speaker 200:03:37While these brands remain core to our portfolio and strategy, as we approach ten years as a public company, we would also highlight our diversification progress over that period. We've grown from four eighteen properties at inception to twelve thirty six leases today. Darden has dropped from 100% of our rent roll to now 47% combined across all of their brands. This improvement is despite acquiring 47 Darden properties post spin. Our top five brands make up 55% of our annual base revenue. Speaker 200:04:11On sector diversification, 67 of our annual base rent comes from casual dining and 11% from quick service. Outside of restaurants, automotive service is our largest sector at 11% of ABR, followed by medical retail at 9% of ABR. As for portfolio management, we are not yet experiencing any material tenancy issues in the portfolio and no current indicators that inflation or tariff issues will impact our rent payments. Further, while the current tariff environment remains uncertain, we expect restaurants to be one of the least tariff affected sectors. Similarly, our other service based tenants should fare better than average retail operators given their low exposure to imported goods as part of their operations. Speaker 200:04:57While we would expect in a recession that we would see some pullback in our tenant performance, we believe that we are well positioned with cushion on our rent coverage to weather any potential issues. Turning to the materials we published last night, we would like to highlight a few new slides in our investor presentation that point to what we believe is FCPT being a calm port in the storm. Our portfolio was built brick by brick to be resilient, and we've paired that with a prudent capital management. We have significant liquidity, no near term debt maturities, granular low basis properties, high rent collections and low overhead. FCPT's portfolio is made up of well capitalized sophisticated operators who we believe will be able to navigate and gain share in this challenging macro environment. Speaker 200:05:44We pride ourselves on transparency and best in class disclosure. So in addition to our press release regime on new acquisitions, this quarter we decided to further break out our portfolio to the top 35 brands, which make up more than 80% of our ABR. Our goal is for our investors to understand our tenant exposures and have confidence that we'll stay disciplined on meeting quality expectations for the properties we buy. To that end, you will see in our filings, we have zero or near zero exposure to the problem net lease sectors such as theaters, pharmacy, high rent car washes and big box retail. Over to you, Josh. Speaker 300:06:25Thank you, Bill. During the first quarter, we acquired 23 properties for $57,000,000 at a blended 6.7% cap rate with a weighted average lease term of seventeen years. We did not sell any properties in the quarter. While Q1 is typically our slowest quarter, we continue to deliver on the strong investment momentum we achieved in the second half of twenty twenty four. As a result, we believe that we stand very well positioned at the end of the first four months in 2025, having both come off a record Q1 to start the year right after a record Q4 last year as we continue to build out the pipeline. Speaker 300:07:03We are achieving this without compromising on the quality of our asset selection or the credit standards to meet yield or volume targets. Our disclosure regime is particularly helpful in times like these where investors can read through our frequent press releases to see how our acquisitions and the brands we work with are highly consistent with past years. Our team is being patient and organized, tracking our opportunity sets for both on and off market investments and including robust analytics to help us identify the best opportunities. In other words, we are not chasing deals, but rather selecting the best ones that fit our portfolio even if that means leaning in slightly on cap rate to capture these higher quality deals, all while still protecting accretion. Reflecting back on Q1, '80 '3 percent of our investment volume was via COE spec as operators continue to seek stable financing solutions in this current market. Speaker 300:07:57As such, our weighted average lease term this year was much higher at seventeen years. In particular, we had three sale leasebacks of note with QSR operators, One with Burger King corporate, another with a large multiunit Burger King franchisee, and lastly with the Whataburger franchisee. The two Burger King deals were both part of M and A transactions while the Whataburger deal was for the newly built stores. It's worth noting that similar QSR properties typically command very aggressive cap rates in the upper 5% to low 6% cap rate range when sold piecemeal. Individual investors favor these small price points per property and the fungibility of their real estate. Speaker 300:08:36However, our team was able to achieve accretive pricing here by offering a portfolio solution and efficient execution for our operating partners. All three transactions were negotiated off market and a product of years of relationship cultivation from our investment team. Looking forward, we will continue to target similar opportunities, nationally recognized brands operated by best in class operators with appropriate basis. While this quarter ended up having more quick service restaurants, some automotive and no medical retail investments, we remind everyone that our team does not specifically allocate target buckets or quotas across our investment sectors. Rather, we make investments when opportunities meet our underwriting criteria. Speaker 300:09:17That being said, we still expect these sectors to be roughly even split between these three target categories of ours over the long term. Looking forward, FCPT's opportunity set continues to grow despite a volatile macro environment. We have a steady pipeline built out for Q2 and aim to continue to execute on our strategy with discipline. Patrick, back over to you. Speaker 100:09:39Thanks, Josh. I'll start by talking about capital sourcing and the state of our balance sheet. At STPT, we are highly focused on efficient capital raising. We raised over $169,000,000 in 2025 to date on top of the 318,000,000 equity in 2024. Today, have $254,000,000 of unsettled equity forwards. Speaker 100:09:59The ability to raise forward ATM quickly and at scale has allowed us to match sources and uses more effectively. Furthermore, the high SOFR rate has allowed for a minimum drag of our forward balance given we receive interest income on the balance at over 4%. With respect to overall leverage, our net debt to adjusted EBITDAre in Q1 continued to move lower to 4.4 times inclusive of outstanding net equity forwards as of March 31. This leverage is at a seven year low and provides capacity for us to continue to execute our business plan even if the current volatility persists or we are unable to raise additional capital for the rest of the year. We've also layered in additional hedges to our floating rate exposure, raising us to over 95% fixed through Q3 twenty twenty seven. Speaker 100:10:44Our revolver is fully available at $350,000,000, and we have, with extension options, essentially no debt maturities for nearly two years. Additionally, our fixed charge coverage ratio is a healthy 4.4 times. Altogether, this puts us in a great liquidity position. We have approximately $617,000,000 available for funding acquisitions between cash, unsettled forward equity, and undrawn revolver capacity. Assuming no further equity issuance, have an approximate $565,000,000 of available capital before reaching six times net leverage. Speaker 100:11:15Now turning to some of our financial highlights for q one. We reported q one AFFO of 44¢ per share, which is up 2.3% from q one last year. Q1 cash rental income was $63,200,000 representing growth of 9.1% for the quarter compared to last year. On a run rate basis, current annual cash based rent for leases in place as of quarter end is $243,900,000 and our weighted average five year annual cash rent escalator remains 1.4%. Cash G and A expense, excluding stock based compensation, was $4,900,000 representing 7.7% of cash rental income for the quarter compared to 7.9 for the quarter last year. Speaker 100:11:55This progress illustrates our continued efforts at efficient growth and the benefits of improving scale. We're still expecting cash G and A will be in the range of $18,000,000 to $18,500,000 for 2025. As a reminder, we take a conservative approach and do not capitalize any of compensation costs related to our investment team. As for managing our lease maturity profile, our team has made significant progress on 2025 maturities with 88% of those tenants already extending their leases or indicating an intent to do so. As of quarter end, expirations represent just point 5% of ABR, and 2026 is 2.3%. Speaker 100:12:32Our portfolio occupancy today is 99.4%, and we collected 99.5% of base rent for the first quarter. There were no material changes to our collectability or credit reserves nor any balance sheet impairments. With that, we'll turn it back over to Becky for questions. Operator00:12:48Thank Speaker 400:13:17Just on a little bit of slight yield compression in the quarter. Is that due to the fact that there's maybe more competition in your sectors for these assets given the insulation from tariffs? Speaker 200:13:32Hard to say. I would say the vast majority is related to the high percentage of QSR restaurant acquisitions in the quarter. Speaker 400:13:43Okay. And then maybe just on the the pipeline more generally, you know, you have a a big fourth quarter followed up with a a very strong first quarter. You know, what's your governor on growth? And and maybe just some color around what your pipeline looks like. I'm curious, Patrick, you talked about smart capital raising. Speaker 400:13:59I'm curious if that's it or if it's just the amount of deals or if it's the size of your, you know, your team. I'm curious what keeps you from maybe taking up a a step further from here. Speaker 200:14:09Sure. And and, John, maybe just to more completely answer your first question, I think if we were targeting sectors that were very exposed to tariffs, we would have a much higher cap rate, obviously. But as the great research you published recently, Speaker 300:14:27we Speaker 200:14:28have very low tariff exposure in our portfolio. As far as governors to growth, that's a much longer answer. But I think the kind of acquisitions that we're working on is what largely determines how much we buy in a quarter. So whether it's sale leasebacks, which were prominent in this quarter and in Q4, are much more efficient. Individual one off deals, it becomes challenging to have that many balls in the air on $2,000,000 acquisitions, dollars 3,000,000 acquisitions to put up larger volumes. Speaker 200:15:11But we really don't look at it that way. We're trying to score assets and buy assets that have sufficient quality, and then making sure that we raise the money the right way. And I think we feel particularly proud over the last couple of years that when the environment was sufficient for acquisitions but our cost of capital wasn't there, we responsibly paused. But then when there was alignment where there was acquisitions to do and our cost of capital was there, we acted with emphasis. Speaker 300:15:49All right. Thank you. Operator00:15:55Our next question comes from Michael Goldsmith from UBS. Speaker 500:16:05This is Catherine Graves on for Michael. Thank you for taking my question. So my first just looking at the volume that you achieved in 1Q. So last year, the acquisition sort of ramped up through the year. Can you provide any color on what you're expecting as far as the cadence for this year, especially starting at such a higher base? Speaker 200:16:26Yes. Q4 has historically been a very strong quarter for us. And I'm not sure why, Catherine, to be honest with you. There's a dynamic where people wanna get things done in a fiscal year perhaps. But, you know, we have a very good pipeline right now. Speaker 200:16:46Deals typically have sixty to ninety day sort of life cycles. Sixty would be a minimum. So we really don't have a lot of visibility on the second half of the year. And certainly, with all the macro uncertainty, it's it's very hard to tell. But we are staffed and capitalized and very focused and organized in executing the rest of the year. Speaker 200:17:11But we don't give guidance, because, really, we wanna make sure that we have, the best sort of decision making hygiene and making acquisitions. Speaker 500:17:23Fair enough. Thank you. And then my second question, you acquired several Burger Kings in this past quarter, and and I'm sure you saw there was recently a a large franchisee who filed for bankruptcy. Is your sense that this was sort of a franchisee specific issue, or has anything changed as far as how you monitor the health of of your Burger King tenants? Speaker 200:17:45Very much a a specific issue to that franchisee. Speaker 500:17:52Got it. Thank you. Operator00:17:56Thank you. Our next question comes from Anthony Paolone from JPMorgan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:05Yes. Thank you. I know this may not be completely apples to apples because I understand the skew towards QSRs with your cap rates, but we do see some of the other net lease names doing deals in the sevens. And so I was wondering if you can maybe give us some sense as to maybe how you see the difference between going from, like, say, high sixes into the low mid sevens and what the the give and take might be there. Speaker 200:18:35You know, certainly see things that are for sale that are you know, let's not draw too fine a point on it. Call it seven and a half caps in north. And they typically have they're either in sub sectors that we don't like, like pharmacy or experiential, or that we haven't historically been involved with, or the credit isn't very good, or the rents are really high. And so all those factors show up in our scorecard to scores that are insufficient for us to proceed. Now that doesn't mean that there isn't one transaction where you feel like you're getting a great price or another transaction where you still see real strategic reasons to lean in by 20 basis points or something like that. Speaker 200:19:29But on average, what we've what we have seen is that cap rates that are higher enough from what we're posting to matter involve, you know, measurably more risk. And I would say that one of the things that's, I think, very helpful about our reporting regime is you you know what we're buying for that cap rate. And what we see some of our peers do is pursue what I would call barbell strategies where they disclose tenants that shareholders are happy that they're buying, but disclose a cap rate that involves a bunch of tenants that they don't talk about. And so I think our straightforward, very transparent strategy Speaker 100:20:17should give Speaker 200:20:17you comfort that what we're buying is thoughtfully selected and and not to hit some, you know, metric for a quarterly disclosure. Speaker 600:20:30Okay. Thanks. And then just on on the pipeline, are there any larger type transactions that you see in the mix? Or is it pretty much all the one by ones? Speaker 200:20:43It's a mix. We're always working on larger transactions. We have a handful in the hopper. I would reflect that we haven't really seen a dynamic where there's portfolio discounts. In fact, in some cases, we found that the larger transactions have more competition. Speaker 200:21:04And, I think we saw that clearly in a large transaction, that one of our peers did last winter. So, it's a mixed, Anthony, but but I also wouldn't say that large transactions come at bargain prices by any means. Speaker 100:21:22Okay. Thanks. Operator00:21:26Thank you. Our next question comes from Wes Golladay from Baird. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:21:34Hey. Good morning, guys. Can you talk about how you underwrite the smaller franchisees? I think you mentioned you do get a corporate guarantee, but how how small are some of these franchisees? Speaker 200:21:45Yeah. So our small franchisees, I think, would be considered very large for our peers. We don't have a ton of franchisee exposure, and the franchisee exposure we have tends to be with franchise times, you know, 100 type size franchisees. So we get financials. We do a typical credit underwriting. Speaker 200:22:07But franchisee credit is not a big part of our business. And I would say the dynamic where some of our peers will sort of put people into business by buying real estate for them or developing real estate for them, and you know, by definition, that's a very, very small sort of individual size business entity. It's not something we do. Speaker 700:22:34Okay. And then you have been building up the team, developing a lot of new relationships over the last few years. Just curious how much the new deal flow is from these new relationships? Speaker 200:22:46You know, it's there's some of that, but a lot of it is, frankly, deals that we've been tracking for years and, now have an advantage cost of capital and sellers are more willing to meet us on price because of the overall macro uncertainty. So I don't think it's the algorithm isn't something like new acquisition person at six months has four relationships, and at twelve months has eight, and therefore, can count on deal flow from that. You know, we we have been doing more outreach outreach recently. And as you mentioned, we've expanded our acquisition team. We have the largest acquisition class coming in this summer of three folks out of undergrad and two interns. Speaker 200:23:32And we're really excited to get them up to speed. I think they'll make a real impact. Speaker 700:23:41Okay. Thanks. Operator00:23:45Thank you. Our next question comes from Kyle Katarinke from Janney. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:23:53Hey. Good morning, guys. What is the range of EBITDAR coverage ratios for recent acquisitions? And is is there any difference between restaurant and non restaurant segments there? Speaker 200:24:02Yeah. We don't disclose on a quarterly basis coverage ratios. Obviously, we have to sign confidentiality agreements to get financials. And so I don't think we're gonna be in a position to disclose those on a quarterly basis. I would say on a I think the credit metrics are fairly similar across the different industries. Speaker 200:24:27Although I would say within medical, it's a little bit harder to define four wall, because you might have a patient who's visiting our retail outpatient center, for example, but also as part of their care going to the hospital system that it's associated with. So saying that that four wall is X is a little bit more ambiguous. But the credit is very similar on a corporate leverage basis, you know, being in the mid single digits, and four wall coverage being, you know, typically three plus times. Speaker 800:25:07Okay. And then at what point would you guys consider lease too conservative where there's potential opportunity cost in the form of lost rents? And then on the flip side, what point would you feel uncomfortable underwriting a new lease in terms of coverage? Just trying to get Speaker 900:25:20a range of and how you guys think about that. Thanks. Speaker 200:25:24Yeah. So if I understand your question, is could we take more risk and still be in a safe position? Yeah. If that's the gist of Speaker 1000:25:34Yeah. Speaker 300:25:35Exactly. Yeah. Then, like, on the yeah. Speaker 800:25:36Then, like, upper limit too conservative of the coverage ratio. Like, at what point is that? Speaker 1000:25:40Is that six six and a half times? Speaker 200:25:44Sure. So, well, I guess I'd make two reflections. To back test, are we being too conservative? We do go back and look at things that we looked at and didn't do. And it's very clear to us that the outcomes of the things that we passed on are far less favorable than what we've done. Speaker 200:26:09Okay? And that's both in taking buildings that to the naked eye, you know, it's a brand it's a it's a business that we bought. It's a brand that we've bought. But what you can't see is the lease is too short or the rents are too high or the tenant has bad financials that that very frequently things that we've looked at and passed on have turned out to be, you know, unfortunate outcomes. So that's one. Speaker 200:26:37Two, I would observe that rents on that lease are relatively random. And so you may have a a Burger King that has $70,000 worth of rent and one that has a hundred and $7,000 worth of rent and one that has a hundred and $70,000 worth of rent. And they look exactly the same other than their rent number. And so the coverage would obviously be way different on the $70,000 worth of rent than the 170,000 And so I think a big part of our job is searching for properties that have great performance but reasonable rents. And so I don't think that there's an upper limit of what we would consider. Speaker 200:27:17Now obviously when that lease matures, which is usually very far into the future given extension options, you know, we have some rent upside, and we have experienced some positive outcomes there. The last thing I'd point out, maybe a different answer to your question. Having gone through the financial crisis earlier in my career, the dot com bust very early in my career, COVID, more recently. There's a a dynamic where when when there's substantial uncertainty and you have the ability to be on offense, there's enormous advantage to that. And so we go into this current environment with the lowest leverage we've had in a long time. Speaker 200:27:58We have more liquidity from undrawn forwards than we've had in a long time. And we have a portfolio that's in fantastic shape. So if the issue is we might be a little bit too conservative historically, I'll take that in order to be in a position to be aggressive if opportunities knock. Speaker 800:28:19Thank you. I appreciate the context. Operator00:28:24Thank you. Our next question comes from R. J. Milligan from Raymond James. Speaker 1000:28:41Bill, you talked about running leverage at the lowest level it's been in quite some time, if not ever. I'm just curious, given the fact that your cost of capital is attractive here, how do you think about potentially further delevering or loading up the balance sheet for opportunities that might arise later? Speaker 200:29:00Yeah. So it's a great question. And and I think the interesting dynamic is, as Pat mentioned, when SOFR is 4% and so that the you know, you you pay your dividend, in essence, on the forward, and you receive so for and there's some fees involved. But that's the basic building blocks. The cost of having this liquidity is very low. Speaker 200:29:27When rates were zero and you're paying a 5% dividend, well shucks, it gets expensive if you have too much of a forward and you're not using it in a timely manner. So we felt that the opportunity cost of having substantial liquidity was very minimal. And we were opportunistic because of the fee structure of the ATM. And just so everyone's clear, ATM has been the technology we've used to raise equity almost exclusively for something like the last seven or eight years. It has a very advantaged fee and discount structure. Speaker 200:30:09And so when that capital was available, because the opportunity cost of holding that forward position was minimal, we took advantage of it. And I think that puts us in a really good position. When I say it's volatile out there, it's not sort of my opinion. You you can look at the VIX, and it's it's a quite volatile environment. But we're you know, we love being very liquid when there's stress in the streets. Speaker 1000:30:43Okay. And and so, Bill, you you had given some same store stats on some of the tenants at the beginning of the call. Obviously, concerns out there that we might head into a recession Obviously, the data has been pretty mixed. But if we were to see a a a downturn or a recession, how do you think that might change the pipeline, whether it be volume, competition, or pricing? Speaker 200:31:09You know, we went through COVID and our portfolio performed extremely well, but I wouldn't say there were bargains to be had on any sustained basis during that time. This is a different scenario. I think our portfolio will perform very well. We're essentially 100% occupied, so I can't promise that it would improve, because it's about as full as it can be. But I think we'd be in a really good position. Speaker 200:31:41Do we then have interesting opportunities to deploy capital in acquisitions? Unclear, to an earlier question, we tend to target sectors that have less targeted tariff exposure. There's been two Wall Street research reports on the net lease industry and tariff exposure. I think we were sort of the most favorable of the industry in both of those. I encourage you to track them down. Speaker 200:32:07But will we get this situation where we have really interesting investment opportunities? I can't say for sure. I can say that we have the money for it. We have the people for it. We are focused on it. Speaker 200:32:20But we we we need the market to come to us to find high quality deals that we can buy at at better than historic prices. Speaker 1000:32:32Okay. That's helpful. Thanks, guys. Operator00:32:37Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Wayne from Barclays. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1100:32:46Hi. Good afternoon. Rent collections ticked up a bit this quarter. They're still strong, but I'm just wondering what types of tenants are nonpaying now and if you're working on anything at those properties to increase the collections numbers further. Speaker 200:33:03Yeah. It's basically one tenant. We have a personal guarantee from that tenant that we're pursuing, and we've made substantial progress releasing the buildings. So it's very, very small, sort of a one off thing. Speaker 1100:33:22Mhmm. And and and what kind of releasing spreads, you know, have you gotten on trade outs like that historically? Speaker 200:33:29Yeah. It's it's just a couple buildings. I think we'll be in a good spot, but we we're not gonna comment on ongoing lease negotiations when it's only a couple buildings. Speaker 1000:33:42Thank you for the Speaker 100:33:43questions. Yep. Operator00:33:47Thank you. Our next question comes from James Kamert from Evercore. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Speaker 1200:33:55Thank you. Thanks for the time. Kind of a bigger picture question, Bill. You mentioned you're building acquisition staff and have been. You've got the balance sheet in a great position. Speaker 1200:34:06Are you adding other sort of capabilities or data sets to your underwriting? Know you've been pleased with like deal path technology, etcetera, to date, but I'm just curious, you know, how you're setting up for the next phase of growth and if that entails any other incremental steps that you're doing to further enhance the underwriting? Thanks. Speaker 200:34:23That's a really good question. You know, I think like every company, we're trying to figure out how AI will make us more efficient. I think we have just more people to work on projects and to explore potential new industries. We've built more substantially more muscle in our asset management group with some really exciting hires there that are getting up to speed. Historically, we didn't need much of that function. Speaker 200:34:54But as we have added several hundred buildings, it's become our portfolio is in fantastic shape, but there's more to do. But I'm really excited, as I said, about the new folks that are joining. They'll be able to to, you know, use the technology that we have. We'll be able to put more emphasis on automating things that can be automated. But there's a there's a lot that we can do with with the existing technology that we have. Speaker 200:35:24And and as you mentioned, you know, deal path is an integral part of running our business. And we've done a number of investor sessions where we take people through our underwriting and deal path. If there are those who'd like to do that, we'd be more than, happy to do it. I think investors have almost universally found it, a valuable forty five minutes of their time. Speaker 1200:35:49Thank you for your time. Operator00:35:54Thank you. We currently have no further questions. This concludes our Q and A and consequently today's call. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by