NASDAQ:OXLC Oxford Lane Capital Q4 2025 Earnings Report $10.20 +0.03 (+0.25%) As of 11:10 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Massive. Learn more. ProfileEarnings History Oxford Lane Capital EPS ResultsActual EPSN/AConsensus EPS $1.40Beat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AOxford Lane Capital Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected Revenue$115.00 millionBeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AOxford Lane Capital Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2025Date5/19/2025TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateMonday, May 19, 2025Conference Call Time7:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Oxford Lane Capital Q4 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 19, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Oxford Lane's net asset value per share declined to $4.32 as of March 31 from $4.82 at the end of the prior quarter. The company recorded GAAP total investment income of $121.2 million in the quarter, up $6.7 million from the prior period. Core net investment income fell to $0.23 per share from $0.28, alongside decreases in weighted average yields for CLO debt (15.9%) and CLO equity distributions (20.5%). Oxford Lane's board declared monthly common stock distributions of $0.09 per share for July, August and September 2025. During the quarter, the company deployed $526.2 million into new CLO investments and extended the weighted average reinvestment period of its CLO equity portfolio to November 2028. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallOxford Lane Capital Q4 202500:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xTranscript SectionsPresentationParticipantsPresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, and thank you all for attending. Oxford Lane Capital announces net asset value and selected financial results for the fourth fiscal quarter. My name is Baker[guess], and I will be your moderator for today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Jonathan Cohen, CEO at Oxford Lane Capital. Thank you. You may proceed, Jonathan. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:00:31Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Oxford Lane Capital fourth fiscal quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Saul Rosenthal, our President, Bruce Rubin, our CFO, and Joe Kupka, our Managing Director. Bruce, could you open the call with a disclosure regarding forward-looking statements? Bruce RubinCFO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:00:50Sure, Jonathan. Today's conference call is being recorded. An audio replay of the call will be available for 30 days. Replay information is included in our press release that was issued earlier this morning. Please note that this call is the property of Oxford Lane Capital Corp., and the unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. At this point, please direct your attention to the customary disclosure in this morning's press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company's current views with respect to, among other things, future events and financial performance. We ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that can cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in these projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law. Bruce RubinCFO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:01:38During this call, we will use terms defined in the earnings release and also refer to non-GAAP measures. For definitions and reconciliations to GAAP, please refer to our earnings release provided on our website at www.oxfordlanecapital.com. With that, I'll turn the presentation back over to Jonathan. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:01:58Thank you, Bruce. On March 31st, 2025, our net asset value per share stood at $4.32 compared to a net asset value per share of $4.82 as of the previous quarter. For the quarter ended March, we recorded GAAP total investment income of approximately $121.2 million, representing an increase of approximately $6.7 million from the prior quarter. For the quarter ending March, we recorded, excuse me, the quarter's GAAP total investment income consisted of approximately $115.3 million from our CLO equity and CLO warehouse investments, and approximately $5.9 million from our CLO debt investments and from other income. Oxford Lane recorded GAAP net investment income of approximately $75.4 million, or $0.18 per share, for the quarter ended March compared to approximately $72.4 million, or $0.20 per share, for the quarter ended December 31st. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:03:10Our core net investment income was approximately $95.8 million, or $0.23 per share, for the quarter ended March, compared with approximately $99.9 million, or $0.28 per share, for the quarter ended December 31. As of March 31, we held approximately $639.1 million in newly issued or newly acquired CLO equity investments that had not yet made initial equity distributions to Oxford Lane Capital Corp. For the quarter ended March, we recorded net unrealized depreciation on investments of approximately $187.7 million and net realized losses of approximately $8.5 million. We had a net decrease in net assets resulting from operations of approximately $120.8 million, or $0.28 per share, for the fourth fiscal quarter. As of March 31st, the following metrics applied. We note that none of these metrics necessarily represented a total return to shareholders. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:04:19The weighted average yield of our CLO debt investments at current cost was 15.9%, down from 16.6% as of December 31. The weighted average effective yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 15.9%, down from 16.1% as of December 31. The weighted average cash distribution yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 20.5%, which was down from 23.9% as of December 31. We note that the cash distribution yields calculated on our CLO equity investments are based on the cash distributions we received or which we were entitled to receive at each respective period end. During the quarter ended March, we issued a total of approximately 60.7 million shares of our common stock pursuant to an asset market offering, resulting in net proceeds of approximately $300.5 million. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:05:21During the quarter ended March, we made additional CLO investments of approximately $526.2 million, and we received approximately $136 million from sales and from repayments. As previously announced, on March 26, our Board of Directors declared monthly common stock distributions of $0.09 per share for each of the months ending July, August, and September of 2025. Finally, as previously announced, on May 16, we were awarded Best Public CLO Fund by the periodical CreditFlux at their London conference. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Managing Director, Joe Kupka. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:06:04Thanks, Jonathan. During the quarter ended March 31st, 2025, U.S. loan market performance weakened versus the prior quarter. U.S. loan price index decreased from 97.33% as of December 31, 2024, to 96.31% as of March 31. The decrease in U.S. loan prices led to an approximate 12-point decrease in median U.S. CLO equity net asset values. Additionally, due to elevated levels of repricing activity, we observed median weighted average spreads across loan pools within CLO portfolios decrease to 330 basis points compared to 334 basis points last quarter. The 12-month showing default rate for the loan index declined to 0.8% by principal amount at the end of the quarter from 0.9% at the end of December 2024. We note that output restructurings, exchanges, and subpar buybacks, which are not captured in the cited default rate, remain elevated. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:07:03CLO new issuance for the quarter totaled approximately $49 billion, reflecting a nearly $11 billion decline from the previous quarter, though issuance volume kept pace with the first quarter of 2024, a record-breaking year. Additionally, the U.S. CLO market saw over $100 billion in reset and refinancing activity in Q1 2025, consistent with levels seen in the prior quarter. Oxford Lane remained active this quarter, investing over $520 million in CLO equity, debt, and warehouses while participating in opportunistic resets and refinancings. As a function of our overall activity during the quarter, we were able to lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's CLO equity portfolio from February 2028 to November 2028. Our primary investment strategy during the quarter was to engage in relative value trading and seek to lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's CLO equity portfolio. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:07:59In the current market environment, we intend to continue to utilize our opportunistic and unconstrained CLO investment strategy across U.S. CLO equity, debt, and warehouses as we look to maximize our long-term total return. As a permanent capital vehicle, we have historically been able to take a longer-term view towards our investment strategy. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jonathan. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:08:22Thanks very much, Joe. With that, operator, we're happy to open the call for any questions. Operator00:08:30Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. If you change your mind, you can press star then two to remove your request to speak. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking a question. We have a question from Peter Sagon[guess]. He is a private investor. Please go ahead. Operator00:09:08Speak about the share repurchase program. Have you purchased any shares yet under that? Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:16We haven't disclosed that information. Operator00:09:26Thank you. We will now move on to Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Operator00:09:34Hi, guys. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:35Morning, Eric. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:35I'm working on for Eric today. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:38Oh, morning, Justin. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:39Hey, good morning. This is Justin. I'm for Eric. Good morning. I was wondering if you guys could talk about pricing dynamics in the current quarter, understanding that yields were down in the quarter ended in March and maybe what you're expecting to see for this year. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:57Joe? Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:57Yeah. Are you referring to CLO equity trading levels in particular or the liability market? Anything in particular you're looking to take over? Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:10:08I guess kind of just at a high level where you guys are expecting yields to go for the investment portfolio. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:10:17Sure. We do not have a specific target, Justin, or a projection in terms of anticipated yields. What we can say is that between the end of calendar 2024 and March 31st, we saw a dramatic diminishment in CLO tranche pricing, significant illiquidity in the marketplace, and a general level of stress accompanying the levels of stress that we saw in public and private equity markets, the U.S. Indicated Corporate Loan market, the public corporate bond market. All of those things were fairly tightly correlated during that period of economic dislocation. As we moved forward to the end of April, we obviously saw that get worse and then rebound very, very substantially between April 30 and May 16, last Friday. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:11:10As you know, we've obviously seen a fair amount of volatility across this and most other asset classes, but in terms of a specific point estimate of where we anticipate yields to reside for the remainder of this calendar year, we have none. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:11:26Okay. All right. That's great. Maybe if you guys could talk about the relative attractiveness in the primary versus the secondary markets and kind of how the investment portfolio is positioned in terms of cyclicality in the companies you're invested in. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:11:48Yeah. I think the answer to those questions kind of are linked. We're constantly reevaluating the relative attractiveness of the primary and the secondary. AAAs in particular are still undergoing some price discovery, so that's a calculation we're reassessing every day. We're still seeing attractive opportunities in both the primary and secondary. Depending on the particular offers or structures that we're able to create in the primary, we're active in both markets. In terms of the cyclicality part of the question, one thing we are focused on is just lengthening that reinvestment period as much as possible just to lessen that part of the risk spectrum. That's one way we think of it, just lengthening the runway for our managers, allowing them to work out of any problems that arise. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:12:41Sure. In addition to what Joe just referenced, Justin, there's also the economic issue associated with holding long-dated CLO equity during periods of economic and financial dislocation, which we think has historically provided us with strong economic returns. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:13:05Great. Okay. Thank you. That helps. Then just last one for me on sort of your strategy. Curious how you guys differentiate yourselves from peers, any sort of qualitative or quantitative examples on your strategy, and how you guys relate to any other peers would be helpful. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:13:29Sure. Obviously, we do not track our peers with the precision that we track our own performance, and we monitor our own portfolios. I think historically, Justin, we have differentiated ourselves in a couple of ways. Firstly, as you know, we run a completely unconstrained CLO investment strategy, meaning that we can look at long-dated CLO equity, short-dated CLO equity, primary tranches, secondary tranches. We warehouse, obviously, a fair amount. We are one of the largest market participants in both the primary and secondary markets. Also, we rotate the portfolio aggressively.I can't speak to the investment strategies of other firms, but we view this asset class as particularly appropriate for an active portfolio management strategy, which is very much what we engage in. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:14:34Great. That's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions today. That's all for me. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:14:38Thank you, Justin. Operator00:14:41Thank you. As a reminder, if I could remind you to please press star followed by one if you do wish to ask any further questions. I can see that we have no further questions, so I would like to hand it back to Jonathan for some final closing comments. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:15:01I would like to thank everyone for their interest in Oxford Lane Capital and for their participation on this call or listening to the replay. We look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thanks very much. Operator00:15:15Thank you all for joining the Oxford Lane Capital Corp. call today. A total plan today's call has concluded. You may now disconnect and thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJonathan CohenCEOJoe KupkaManaging DirectorBruce RubinCFOAnalystsPrivate InvestorCompany Representative at Lucid Capital MarketsPowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckEarnings Release(8-K)Annual report(10-K) Oxford Lane Capital Earnings HeadlinesOxford Lane Capital to redeem 6.25% Series 2027 term preferred stockApril 27, 2026 | msn.comOxford Lane Capital Corp. 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Its portfolio spans senior secured loans, mezzanine debt and private equity interests, providing diversification across credit instruments and industry sectors. Established in 2009 and based in Greenwich, Connecticut, Oxford Lane Capital commenced operations in 2012. The company’s investment activities are overseen by Oxford Lane Capital Advisor LLC, an affiliate of Oxford Finance LLC, leveraging the adviser’s long-standing expertise in direct lending and structured financings for growth-oriented businesses. Oxford Lane Capital employs leverage through senior secured financing facilities to enhance potential returns on its investment portfolio. By focusing on middle-market sponsors with established business models, the company seeks to balance risk and reward while maintaining diversified exposure across sectors such as healthcare, technology, business services and manufacturing within the U.S. economy. 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PresentationSkip to Participants Operator00:00:00Good morning, and thank you all for attending. Oxford Lane Capital announces net asset value and selected financial results for the fourth fiscal quarter. My name is Baker[guess], and I will be your moderator for today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Jonathan Cohen, CEO at Oxford Lane Capital. Thank you. You may proceed, Jonathan. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:00:31Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Oxford Lane Capital fourth fiscal quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Saul Rosenthal, our President, Bruce Rubin, our CFO, and Joe Kupka, our Managing Director. Bruce, could you open the call with a disclosure regarding forward-looking statements? Bruce RubinCFO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:00:50Sure, Jonathan. Today's conference call is being recorded. An audio replay of the call will be available for 30 days. Replay information is included in our press release that was issued earlier this morning. Please note that this call is the property of Oxford Lane Capital Corp., and the unauthorized rebroadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. At this point, please direct your attention to the customary disclosure in this morning's press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company's current views with respect to, among other things, future events and financial performance. We ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that can cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated in these projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law. Bruce RubinCFO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:01:38During this call, we will use terms defined in the earnings release and also refer to non-GAAP measures. For definitions and reconciliations to GAAP, please refer to our earnings release provided on our website at www.oxfordlanecapital.com. With that, I'll turn the presentation back over to Jonathan. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:01:58Thank you, Bruce. On March 31st, 2025, our net asset value per share stood at $4.32 compared to a net asset value per share of $4.82 as of the previous quarter. For the quarter ended March, we recorded GAAP total investment income of approximately $121.2 million, representing an increase of approximately $6.7 million from the prior quarter. For the quarter ending March, we recorded, excuse me, the quarter's GAAP total investment income consisted of approximately $115.3 million from our CLO equity and CLO warehouse investments, and approximately $5.9 million from our CLO debt investments and from other income. Oxford Lane recorded GAAP net investment income of approximately $75.4 million, or $0.18 per share, for the quarter ended March compared to approximately $72.4 million, or $0.20 per share, for the quarter ended December 31st. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:03:10Our core net investment income was approximately $95.8 million, or $0.23 per share, for the quarter ended March, compared with approximately $99.9 million, or $0.28 per share, for the quarter ended December 31. As of March 31, we held approximately $639.1 million in newly issued or newly acquired CLO equity investments that had not yet made initial equity distributions to Oxford Lane Capital Corp. For the quarter ended March, we recorded net unrealized depreciation on investments of approximately $187.7 million and net realized losses of approximately $8.5 million. We had a net decrease in net assets resulting from operations of approximately $120.8 million, or $0.28 per share, for the fourth fiscal quarter. As of March 31st, the following metrics applied. We note that none of these metrics necessarily represented a total return to shareholders. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:04:19The weighted average yield of our CLO debt investments at current cost was 15.9%, down from 16.6% as of December 31. The weighted average effective yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 15.9%, down from 16.1% as of December 31. The weighted average cash distribution yield of our CLO equity investments at current cost was 20.5%, which was down from 23.9% as of December 31. We note that the cash distribution yields calculated on our CLO equity investments are based on the cash distributions we received or which we were entitled to receive at each respective period end. During the quarter ended March, we issued a total of approximately 60.7 million shares of our common stock pursuant to an asset market offering, resulting in net proceeds of approximately $300.5 million. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:05:21During the quarter ended March, we made additional CLO investments of approximately $526.2 million, and we received approximately $136 million from sales and from repayments. As previously announced, on March 26, our Board of Directors declared monthly common stock distributions of $0.09 per share for each of the months ending July, August, and September of 2025. Finally, as previously announced, on May 16, we were awarded Best Public CLO Fund by the periodical CreditFlux at their London conference. With that, I'll turn the call over to our Managing Director, Joe Kupka. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:06:04Thanks, Jonathan. During the quarter ended March 31st, 2025, U.S. loan market performance weakened versus the prior quarter. U.S. loan price index decreased from 97.33% as of December 31, 2024, to 96.31% as of March 31. The decrease in U.S. loan prices led to an approximate 12-point decrease in median U.S. CLO equity net asset values. Additionally, due to elevated levels of repricing activity, we observed median weighted average spreads across loan pools within CLO portfolios decrease to 330 basis points compared to 334 basis points last quarter. The 12-month showing default rate for the loan index declined to 0.8% by principal amount at the end of the quarter from 0.9% at the end of December 2024. We note that output restructurings, exchanges, and subpar buybacks, which are not captured in the cited default rate, remain elevated. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:07:03CLO new issuance for the quarter totaled approximately $49 billion, reflecting a nearly $11 billion decline from the previous quarter, though issuance volume kept pace with the first quarter of 2024, a record-breaking year. Additionally, the U.S. CLO market saw over $100 billion in reset and refinancing activity in Q1 2025, consistent with levels seen in the prior quarter. Oxford Lane remained active this quarter, investing over $520 million in CLO equity, debt, and warehouses while participating in opportunistic resets and refinancings. As a function of our overall activity during the quarter, we were able to lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's CLO equity portfolio from February 2028 to November 2028. Our primary investment strategy during the quarter was to engage in relative value trading and seek to lengthen the weighted average reinvestment period of Oxford Lane's CLO equity portfolio. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:07:59In the current market environment, we intend to continue to utilize our opportunistic and unconstrained CLO investment strategy across U.S. CLO equity, debt, and warehouses as we look to maximize our long-term total return. As a permanent capital vehicle, we have historically been able to take a longer-term view towards our investment strategy. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Jonathan. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:08:22Thanks very much, Joe. With that, operator, we're happy to open the call for any questions. Operator00:08:30Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. If you change your mind, you can press star then two to remove your request to speak. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking a question. We have a question from Peter Sagon[guess]. He is a private investor. Please go ahead. Operator00:09:08Speak about the share repurchase program. Have you purchased any shares yet under that? Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:16We haven't disclosed that information. Operator00:09:26Thank you. We will now move on to Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Operator00:09:34Hi, guys. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:35Morning, Eric. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:35I'm working on for Eric today. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:38Oh, morning, Justin. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:39Hey, good morning. This is Justin. I'm for Eric. Good morning. I was wondering if you guys could talk about pricing dynamics in the current quarter, understanding that yields were down in the quarter ended in March and maybe what you're expecting to see for this year. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:57Joe? Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:09:57Yeah. Are you referring to CLO equity trading levels in particular or the liability market? Anything in particular you're looking to take over? Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:10:08I guess kind of just at a high level where you guys are expecting yields to go for the investment portfolio. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:10:17Sure. We do not have a specific target, Justin, or a projection in terms of anticipated yields. What we can say is that between the end of calendar 2024 and March 31st, we saw a dramatic diminishment in CLO tranche pricing, significant illiquidity in the marketplace, and a general level of stress accompanying the levels of stress that we saw in public and private equity markets, the U.S. Indicated Corporate Loan market, the public corporate bond market. All of those things were fairly tightly correlated during that period of economic dislocation. As we moved forward to the end of April, we obviously saw that get worse and then rebound very, very substantially between April 30 and May 16, last Friday. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:11:10As you know, we've obviously seen a fair amount of volatility across this and most other asset classes, but in terms of a specific point estimate of where we anticipate yields to reside for the remainder of this calendar year, we have none. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:11:26Okay. All right. That's great. Maybe if you guys could talk about the relative attractiveness in the primary versus the secondary markets and kind of how the investment portfolio is positioned in terms of cyclicality in the companies you're invested in. Joe KupkaManaging Director at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:11:48Yeah. I think the answer to those questions kind of are linked. We're constantly reevaluating the relative attractiveness of the primary and the secondary. AAAs in particular are still undergoing some price discovery, so that's a calculation we're reassessing every day. We're still seeing attractive opportunities in both the primary and secondary. Depending on the particular offers or structures that we're able to create in the primary, we're active in both markets. In terms of the cyclicality part of the question, one thing we are focused on is just lengthening that reinvestment period as much as possible just to lessen that part of the risk spectrum. That's one way we think of it, just lengthening the runway for our managers, allowing them to work out of any problems that arise. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:12:41Sure. In addition to what Joe just referenced, Justin, there's also the economic issue associated with holding long-dated CLO equity during periods of economic and financial dislocation, which we think has historically provided us with strong economic returns. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:13:05Great. Okay. Thank you. That helps. Then just last one for me on sort of your strategy. Curious how you guys differentiate yourselves from peers, any sort of qualitative or quantitative examples on your strategy, and how you guys relate to any other peers would be helpful. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:13:29Sure. Obviously, we do not track our peers with the precision that we track our own performance, and we monitor our own portfolios. I think historically, Justin, we have differentiated ourselves in a couple of ways. Firstly, as you know, we run a completely unconstrained CLO investment strategy, meaning that we can look at long-dated CLO equity, short-dated CLO equity, primary tranches, secondary tranches. We warehouse, obviously, a fair amount. We are one of the largest market participants in both the primary and secondary markets. Also, we rotate the portfolio aggressively.I can't speak to the investment strategies of other firms, but we view this asset class as particularly appropriate for an active portfolio management strategy, which is very much what we engage in. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:14:34Great. That's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions today. That's all for me. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:14:38Thank you, Justin. Operator00:14:41Thank you. As a reminder, if I could remind you to please press star followed by one if you do wish to ask any further questions. I can see that we have no further questions, so I would like to hand it back to Jonathan for some final closing comments. Jonathan CohenCEO at Oxford Lane Capital Corp00:15:01I would like to thank everyone for their interest in Oxford Lane Capital and for their participation on this call or listening to the replay. We look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thanks very much. Operator00:15:15Thank you all for joining the Oxford Lane Capital Corp. call today. A total plan today's call has concluded. You may now disconnect and thank you for your participation.Read moreParticipantsExecutivesJonathan CohenCEOJoe KupkaManaging DirectorBruce RubinCFOAnalystsPrivate InvestorCompany Representative at Lucid Capital MarketsPowered by