TPG Q1 2025 Earnings Report

TPG EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $0.48
• Consensus EPS: $0.50
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.02
• One Year Ago EPS: $0.49

TPG Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $476.26 million
• Expected Revenue: $459.75 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$16.51 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +6.10%

TPG Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/7/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 11:00AM ET

TPG (NASDAQ:TPG) (NASDAQ: TPG) is a global alternative asset management firm that invests across a range of strategies including private equity, growth equity, real assets, credit and hedge funds. Founded in 1992 as Texas Pacific Group, the firm has expanded its product set to serve a broad set of institutional and individual investors through commingled funds, separately managed accounts and other customized investment vehicles.

TPG operates investment platforms that target buyouts, growth-stage companies, real estate and credit opportunities, and it has developed dedicated thematic and impact vehicles such as the TPG Rise Fund to pursue social and environmental outcomes alongside financial returns. The firm provides portfolio company governance, operational support and strategic guidance as part of its value-creation approach, and it offers capital solutions across the risk-return spectrum.

With a global footprint, TPG conducts investment activities and maintains offices across the Americas, Europe, Asia and Australia, deploying capital in markets worldwide. Its investor base generally includes pension funds, sovereign wealth funds, insurance companies, financial institutions and high-net-worth individuals seeking alternative exposures and long-term partnership arrangements.

Over its history TPG has evolved from a private buyout group into a diversified asset manager and completed a public listing in 2022 to broaden access to its business. The firm emphasizes sector expertise, active portfolio management and long-term value creation as central elements of its investment philosophy.

TPG Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• TPG agreed to acquire PepperTree Capital Management, the largest pure‐play wireless tower specialist with over 8,800 towers and ~$8 billion AUM, expanding its digital infrastructure segment and expected to be immediately accretive to fee‐related and distributable earnings per share.
• In Q1, TPG reported GAAP net income of $25 million and after‐tax distributable earnings of $187 million (or $0.48 per share), and declared a dividend of $0.41 per share payable in June.
• Fundraising momentum remained strong with nearly $6 billion raised in Q1 and management still expects to exceed 2024’s total capital raised despite elongated campaign timelines.
• Capital deployment was robust with $7.3 billion invested in Q1 across private equity, credit, real estate and infrastructure, supported by a pipeline of proprietary and creative deal flow.
• Despite market volatility from tariffs and policy uncertainty, TPG believes its portfolios have minimal first‐order exposure and is positioned to deploy from $57 billion of total dry powder.

Presentation

[Operator]

Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. Please go to TPG's IR website to obtain the earnings materials. I will now turn the call over to Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations at TPG. Thank you. You may begin.

[Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations at TPG]

Great. Thanks, Operator. Welcome, everyone. Joining me this morning are Jon Winkleried, Chief Executive Officer, and Jack Weingart, Chief Financial Officer. In addition, our Executive Chairman and Co-founder, Jim Coulter, and our President, Todd Sisitsky, are also here and will be available for the Q&A portion of this morning's call. I'd like to remind you this call may include forward-looking statements that do not guarantee future events or performance. Please refer to TPG's earnings release and SEC filings for factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. TPG undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. Within our discussion and earnings release, we're presenting GAAP and non-GAAP measures, and we believe certain non-GAAP measures that we discuss on this call are relevant in assessing the financial performance of the business.

[Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations at TPG]

These non-GAAP measures are reconciled to the nearest GAAP figures in TPG's earnings release, which is available on our website. Please note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to purchase an interest in any TPG fund. Looking briefly at our results for the first quarter, we reported GAAP net income attributable to TPG of $25 million and after-tax distributable earnings of $187 million or $0.48 per share of Class A Common Stock. We declared a dividend of $0.41 per share of Class A Common Stock, which will be paid on June 2, 2025, to holders of record as of May 19, 2025. I'll now turn the call over to Jon.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Thanks, Gary. Good morning, everyone. Yesterday, we announced that TPG had agreed to acquire Peppertree Capital Management. Peppertree is a leading specialized digital infrastructure manager with a focus on wireless communication towers. This acquisition leverages our deep sector expertise in communications and represents our further expansion into the digital infrastructure space. For our call today, Jack and I will first cover the current environment and our quarterly results, and then we'll provide some additional details on the Peppertree acquisition. We've witnessed a dramatic shift in the market environment over the last few months. Coming into 2025, there was broad-based strength across the economy, and confidence levels were near record highs. The market was anticipating meaningful earnings growth, accelerated M&A activity, and rising equity valuations. Several factors, including tariffs and general policy uncertainty, have upended the environment and created significant volatility.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

As a result, we're seeing unusual market correlations, renewed fears of inflation, and concerns around slowing economic growth. At TPG, we remain focused on executing our business and driving growth. Our leadership team has navigated through many cycles, and one of our core beliefs is that staying engaged and highly connected is critical during times like these. In my conversations with leaders of some of our largest strategic partners globally, I'm observing several consistent themes. Clients are adjusting their expectations around performance and liquidity in their portfolios, and they're evaluating the geographic diversification of their investments. At the same time, our clients are looking to partner with us to take advantage of opportunities created by the current environment and to leverage our global franchise. With respect to our portfolio, we entered this period with significant momentum, including strong top-line and earnings growth.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

We've assessed the direct exposure across our investments to recent tariffs, and we see minimal first-order risk. While we expect uncertainty and market fluctuations to persist, our investment strategy, characterized by our intentional selection of sectors and themes, gives us confidence in the quality of our portfolio. Consistent with our dialogues with our largest clients, we're leaning into opportunities to deploy capital and play offense. As it relates to our capital formation efforts, we're seeing the benefits of strong connectivity with our clients. Despite a volatile environment, we continue to expect to raise significantly more capital this year than last. Several of our campaigns will likely elongate as clients manage through this period of disruption, but we remain very confident in our overall objectives. In credit, we have strong momentum. In prior quarters, we've discussed our focus on introducing our largest client relationships to our credit platform.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Despite somewhat lighter credit fundraising in the first quarter, we're at an inflection point in our dialogues and have seen an acceleration in commitments to our strategies. In addition to the capital we raised in the first quarter, we have more than $3 billion of discrete credit mandates that have closed or are expected to close over the next several months. In private equity, we recently launched campaigns for the next vintage of our TPG Capital and Healthcare Partners funds. We're receiving strong support from both existing and new clients, and we expect to hold sizable first closes around mid-year. In the next few weeks, we're launching the campaign of our second GP Solutions fund. Our first fund is now approximately 85% committed, and we expect to raise a meaningfully larger successor fund.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Additionally, in our impact platform, we continue to drive several ongoing fundraisers, including our Rise Climate Private Equity Fund, the Global South Initiative, and our Climate Transition Infrastructure Fund. We had a strong start to these campaigns and have raised more than 60% of our target, including capital that has been committed but will close at a later date. While fundraising timelines for climate-related strategies will be elongated due to policy uncertainty in the United States, we believe energy transition is a generational investing opportunity, and the strength of the Rise franchise continues to resonate with clients globally. TPG AG Real Estate held a successful final close for its fourth European fund.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

This campaign was mid-flight when we acquired Angelo Gordon, and it's a testament to the strength of our integration and the quality of our business that we successfully grew the fund to nearly $2.3 billion, a 50% increase from its predecessor. Broadly across fundraising, we're benefiting from the quality and depth of our relationships with our largest clients globally through the formation of strategic partnerships and customized solutions. Just last week, we established the largest strategic partnership in our history, which will span across private equity, credit, real estate, and infrastructure. This partnership, which represents over $4 billion of potential new capital, will accelerate scale and innovation across our investment strategies. It reflects the strong trust we've built with our clients as a result of our differentiated investment approach and long track record of delivering excellent performance.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Overall, while not immune to the broader industry dynamics and macro uncertainty, our clients continue to recognize our differentiated investment performance and, in particular, the excellent DPI we are consistently delivering. I would also like to provide an update on private wealth, which is a high-priority growth area. Our private wealth strategy has several key elements, including building deep connectivity with leading wirehouse partners, accessing the RIA channel, and continuing to expand our team and product set. Since our last earnings call, we have made meaningful progress. We recently launched TPOP, our new perpetually offered private equity vehicle with two of the largest wirehouses in the United States. We have long-standing high-quality relationships in the channel, and the level of engagement and interest in TPOP is high.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

In connection with the launch, Jim Coulter, Todd Sisitsky, and over a dozen leaders from our private equity business led marketing events with key executives and financial advisors. Outside of the United States, we're taking a similar approach and will be launching TPOP with one of the leading international private banks later this year. Over time, we expect to partner with additional banks to offer TPOP on their platforms. As it relates to the RIA channel, we're focused on enhancing our presence and footprint. We're actively structuring several innovative partnerships to extend our brand and increase the accessibility of our products for the RIA community. Finally, we remain focused on continuing to grow our private wealth team both domestically and internationally. As a result of our comprehensive approach, we've successfully launched TPOP and expect to begin seeing inflows over the next couple of months.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

With the introduction of TPOP, we've enhanced our product set for the private wealth channel, which includes TCAP, our non-traded BDC, and Mortgage Value Partners, a key product in our structured credit franchise. We expect to continue to build our suite of private wealth products across private equity, credit, and real assets. Turning to deployment, we've maintained a strong pace with $7.3 billion of capital invested in the first quarter and recently announced a number of interesting investments. In TPG Growth, we agreed to acquire a significant stake in Cliffwater, a leading retail alternatives investment manager in the United States. The private wealth sector is one of our highest conviction thematic areas, and Cliffwater builds upon TPG's existing investments in Creative Planning and Homeward Bound. Rise Climate has agreed to partner with Siemens Gamesa to carve out its onshore wind turbine manufacturing and services business in India and South Asia.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Siemens chose to partner with TPG given our strong climate investing credentials and key relationships in the industry. This will be the first investment for the Rise Climate Global South Initiative. In our Asia mid-cap growth and buyout strategy, TECA, we announced two transactions. First, the acquisition of Orange Valley and the proposed take-private of Econ Healthcare, two leading private nursing home operators in Singapore. Second, the acquisition of a controlling stake in Five Good Friends, a technology-led home care disruptor in Australia. Looking ahead, as we've seen in prior periods of uncertainty, overall deal volume across the industry may moderate. However, currently, our pipelines remain robust. The deal flow across our platforms is characterized by proprietary opportunities we've sourced off-market and reflects our strong track record of structuring creative transactions, including corporate carve-outs and take-privates.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Additionally, several of our investment strategies are particularly well-suited for uncertain environments like this. Our GP-led secondary strategy currently has a strong pipeline, which is benefiting from the growing pressure for GPs to generate liquidity at a time when options are limited. Another example is TPG Tech Adjacencies, which provides flexible, solutions-oriented capital for private technology companies. We expect the demand for TTAD's capital to increase as the public markets remain largely shut and founders and businesses seek alternatives to fund growth and liquidity needs. Finally, Credit Solutions is well-positioned given it provides bespoke, highly structured capital solutions to help companies resolve complex financing challenges. We anticipate there will be an increasing pipeline of private financing opportunities due to the heightened uncertainty and less receptivity from traditional sources of capital such as banks.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

As it relates to credit deployment more broadly, Twin Brook had a strong first quarter with $1.8 billion of gross originations. Despite a more volatile market backdrop, we're seeing a steady pace of sponsor M&A activity, and our pipeline remains active. Additionally, as lead lender in almost all our transactions, Twin Brook's incumbency is a powerful source of embedded add-on activity that we have exclusive access to. In structured credit, activity continues to be robust as those markets have so far been less impacted by the current dislocation and volatility. Spreads in asset-backed securities and residential home loans have remained reasonably stable, and asset portfolios continue to trade. Looking ahead, we believe there will be more opportunities to lend against assets as well as acquire asset collateral pools at attractive valuations, particularly as originators and banks look for creative ways to manage their risk and liquidity.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

In real estate, our deployment pace was intentionally modest during the first quarter. However, the impact of recent market volatility, uncertainty around interest rates, and a potential recession are creating increasing flows of actionable opportunities. We have $13 billion of dry powder on a combined basis for our real estate platforms, and our teams are evaluating a number of interesting investments in the U.S., Europe, and Asia. In addition, the opportunity set for TRECO, our real estate credit strategy, has continued to expand due to the ongoing pullback in bank lending activity and more volatile credit conditions in the debt capital markets. As we look ahead, our experience has been that periods of dislocation often create some of the most interesting investment opportunities. With $57 billion of total dry powder across the firm, we're in a strong position to take advantage of this environment.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Turning to realizations, we continue to successfully execute on important exits and liquidity events. This includes the sell-down of some of our largest public positions, such as Viking Cruises, Lifetime Fitness, and the full exit of Nextracker. Additionally, we successfully completed two public listings, Dr. Agarwal's Healthcare and OneSource Specialty Pharma in India, where over the last three years, we've taken 11 of our portfolio companies public, delivering strong returns for fund investors. Last month, we announced the sale of two TPG Growth portfolio companies, Crunch Fitness and a leading healthcare technology company. These investments are expected to generate outstanding returns for our fund investors and demonstrate the quality and resilience of our portfolio. Year to date, we have realized approximately $1.8 billion in our TPG Growth funds, including transactions that are signed but not yet closed.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Additionally, consistent with our track record of driving organic innovation in areas where TPG has a right to win, last week, we launched a new strategy, TPG Sports, in partnership with Rory McIlroy, Sean O'Flaherty, and the team at Symphony Ventures. This strategy will invest in businesses that are driving the sports ecosystem, which is benefiting from strong secular tailwinds and transformational growth catalyzed by new technology. TPG Sports was launched with a significant anchor commitment from Lunate, an important UAE-based strategic partner for TPG, and we expect to continue to raise capital over the coming quarters. As we look ahead, we are well-positioned to navigate through this market dislocation. We remain highly focused on executing across our business and continuing to drive long-term growth and value creation for all our stakeholders. I'll turn the call over to Jack to discuss our financial results.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Thanks, Jon, and thank you all for joining us today. I'll begin with a discussion of our first quarter financial results and investment performance, and then I'll discuss our outlook for the year with a particular focus on our fundraising campaigns. Our fee-related revenues in the first quarter were $476 million, which included $413 million of management fees and $54 million of transaction fees. Over the past several years, we've invested in building our capital markets capabilities and integrating our broker-dealer across all our platforms and strategies. We've generated a step function growth in our annual revenue opportunity as our average quarterly capital markets revenue increased by over 30% in 2024 compared to 2023.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

While the second quarter will likely see a step down in capital markets revenue due to the timing of certain transaction closing activity, we believe that our positive momentum in this business will continue in the back half of the year, and there's significant opportunity for further growth in the years ahead. We reported fee-related earnings of $182 million and an FRE margin of 38%, consistent with our previous guidance. As expected, cash comp and benefits expense was seasonally elevated this quarter due to the annual vesting of our RSUs, which resulted in approximately $14 million of additional cost. Looking ahead, we continue to expect FRE margin expansion in the back half of the year, and we expect to exit the year with a margin in the mid-40s. Realized performance allocations totaled $40 million in the first quarter, primarily from the partial monetizations of our public positions.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

We continue to find opportunities to monetize assets, including the sale of two TPG Growth portfolio companies that Jon mentioned. Our success driving liquidity and DPI across our portfolios continues to be a strong differentiator for us with our clients. After-tax distributable earnings for the first quarter totaled $187 million, or $0.48 per share of Class A common stock. We finished the first quarter with $251 billion of total assets under management, which increased 12% year over year. This was driven by $31 billion of capital raising, $20 billion of value creation, partially offset by $22 billion of realizations over the last 12 months. Fee-earning AUM at the end of the first quarter totaled $143 billion. AUM subject to fee-earning growth was $27 billion at quarter end and included $18 billion of AUM not yet earning fees.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Our performance-eligible AUM was $212 billion, or 85% of our total AUM, of which $162 billion is currently generating performance fees. At the end of the quarter, our net accrued performance balance exceeded $1 billion for the first time, driven by continued strong value creation. This represents significant embedded earnings power that we expect to realize over time. We continue to deliver strong investment performance in the first quarter, with positive value creation across all our platforms. In light of the current period of economic uncertainty, investors are understandably focused on the underlying portfolio quality of alternative asset managers. We are confident in the strength and durability of our investment portfolios. As Jon mentioned, based on a comprehensive bottoms-up analysis, we have determined that our portfolios have very limited first-order exposure to tariffs, and I'll provide some additional detail for a few of our strategies.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Within private equity, we expect little to no direct impact from tariffs for approximately 90% of the fair value in our portfolios. This reflects the benefits of TPG's fundamental investment approach, which is focused on sectors such as healthcare, software, and tech-enabled services. These sectors generally have strong secular growth, resilient business models, and limited reliance on physical goods. Through the first quarter, our private equity portfolios, which include capital, growth, and impact platforms, continue to meaningfully outperform the broader market, with revenue growth of approximately 18% over the last 12 months. Looking at our credit platform, in our Twin Brook direct lending business, less than 3% of the fair market value of our portfolio has high direct exposure to tariffs. Our portfolio of over 290 companies is broadly diversified across more than a dozen industries, with a stable average interest coverage ratio of approximately two times.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

We have strong downside protection with 97% of the portfolio in first lien senior secured debt, and we have maintenance financial covenants in 100% of our loans. Overall, the nature of the securities across our credit platform, which often includes strong structural protections, insulates us from modest fluctuations in underlying company profitability. Our credit business has appreciated approximately 3% in the quarter and 12% over the last 12 months. In real estate, TPG's real estate portfolio appreciated 7% in the first quarter and nearly 13% over the last 12 months. We continue to drive strong operating performance at our portfolio companies, supported by positive leasing and occupancy trends. Our portfolio is concentrated in attractive sectors where we have strong thematic conviction, such as industrial, residential, and data centers, which benefit from positive supply-demand fundamentals.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

TPG AG's real estate platform appreciated 60 basis points in the quarter and 2.6% over the last 12 months. Moving on to fundraising, we raised nearly $6 billion during the first quarter across our platforms. This included an additional close of more than $1 billion for our Rise Climate Fund and Global South Initiative, a first close for our new mid-market growth and buyout fund in Asia, TICA, and a final close for TPG AG's European real estate fund. As Jon mentioned, the level of engagement with our clients around the world is high, and our fundraising momentum remains strong.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Looking at the balance of the year, while we do expect the current environment to result in elongated campaigns, we continue to expect to raise significantly more capital this year than we raised in 2024, driven by the following: Number one, the continued scaling of our credit platform, including sizable mandates that have closed since quarter end or are approved to close over the next several months. Number two, initial closes and the activation of our next TPG Capital and Healthcare Partners funds in the middle of the year. Number three, initial closes for our next generation funds in GP Solutions and Tech Adjacencies. Number four, continued progress in our climate, private equity, and infrastructure campaigns. Number five, the completion of our TPG Growth campaign. Number six, additional cross-platform strategic partnerships with some of our largest clients globally.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Number seven, increasing penetration of the private wealth channel generally, including inflows for TPOP, our new perpetual private equity product. Finally, a quick comment on our balance sheet. Last week, we amended our senior unsecured revolver to further enhance our already strong financial flexibility and liquidity. We upsized the facility from $1.2 billion to $1.65 billion, extended the maturity for a new five-year period, and repriced the facility at more favorable rates. On that note, I'll turn the call back over to Jon to discuss our acquisition of Peppertree and how that further strengthens our franchise.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Thanks, Jack. We're excited to announce this important acquisition. With more than two decades of experience, Peppertree is the largest pure-play wireless tower specialist in the United States, with over 8,800 towers in its portfolio. Peppertree has raised 10 funds to date and manages nearly $8 billion of total AUM.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

The management team is highly experienced and entrepreneurial, led by Co-Presidents Howard Mandel and Ryan Lepene. Howard and Ryan are supported by a long-tenure team of investing and operating talent. The firm has an outstanding investment track record, delivering a gross realized return of 23% and a gross realized multiple of 2.4 times invested capital since inception. As a result of its success, Peppertree has built a loyal and growing base of institutional clients, driving steady fund-over-fund growth. We believe Peppertree is a compelling strategic fit for several reasons. First, Peppertree's strategy is highly complementary to TPG's existing investment leadership in the communication sector and will benefit from our scale, deep thematic expertise, and long track record of successfully scaling high-quality businesses in the space. Second, the wireless communication sector benefits from strong secular growth as global demand for data continues to accelerate.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

As an industry leader, Peppertree provides us immediate scale in the tower and network infrastructure development space. Looking ahead, we believe there are significant opportunities to expand our investment capabilities across digital infrastructure. Third, Peppertree's long-dated portfolio of uncorrelated assets generates contractually recurring, highly predictable cash flows, and we believe these attributes will resonate with our client base. Fourth, we have spent a significant amount of time with Howard and Ryan and other members of the Peppertree team. It's clear from our close engagement over many months that there's an excellent cultural fit between our two firms. The Peppertree team shares TPG's long-standing commitment to entrepreneurship, innovation, and investment excellence, as well as our vision for the growth opportunities that are possible within our ecosystem.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Finally, we believe there are several meaningful growth drivers created by the combination, including expanding into TPG's existing global client base, extending the duration of Peppertree's capital, and leveraging our broker-dealer capabilities to pursue capital markets opportunities. This acquisition will add an additional source of highly attractive and predictable fee revenue. We expect this transaction to be immediately accretive to fee-related earnings and after-tax distributable earnings per share upon closing. Peppertree underscores our continued focus on value-accretive acquisitions, where we have a natural competitive advantage. We look forward to welcoming the Peppertree team to TPG. I'll turn it back over to Jack to walk through the overview of the transaction and financial details.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Thanks, Jon. I want to echo Jon's remarks on the strategic benefits of this transaction.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

We're establishing a leadership position in an attractive segment within digital infrastructure, leveraging our deep sector expertise and growing and diversifying our fee-related revenue. The acquisition is also compelling from a financial perspective. First, we're acquiring Peppertree at an attractive price. The transaction is valued at approximately $660 million, including $242 million in cash and up to $418 million in equity based on TPG's closing price on May 2nd. This represents a multiple of approximately 12 times 2024 after-tax FRE. It's important to note this price also includes the purchase of performance-related earnings for both historical and future funds. At year-end, Peppertree had accrued but unrealized carry of approximately $449 million, so the 20% applicable to TPG operating group would have been approximately $90 million.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Adjusting the purchase price only for the $90 million of book value and ignoring the value of future PRE, the transaction multiple is approximately 10 times after-tax FRE. Second, we expect this transaction to be immediately accretive to FRE and after-tax DE per share. Peppertree has an attractive margin profile, and we anticipate continued strong management fee growth in the coming years. Third, we have structured the transaction to ensure clear alignment of interest and strong incentive to drive growth in several ways. The principals of Peppertree, including Howard and Ryan, have agreed to re-invest their equity ownership over a five-year period after closing. In addition, Peppertree's equity consideration will be subject to lockup for the first full year post-closing, and a third of the equity consideration will be released from lockup on each of the first, second, and third-year anniversaries of the closing.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Finally, we've structured the earn-out provision that's valued at up to $300 million. This earn-out is based on the satisfaction of certain fee-related revenue and fundraising targets over the next few years. If any of the earn-out is paid, we expect the purchase price multiple to decrease and the acquisition to become more accretive. In terms of funding the cash portion of the acquisition at close, we expect to use our current cash balance and to draw on our upsized revolver. Upon completion of the transaction, our leverage will remain conservative, and we will continue to have ample liquidity and significant financial flexibility. The transaction is subject to customary closing conditions and is expected to close in the third quarter of this year. Upon closing, Peppertree will join our market solutions platform, and Howard and Ryan will continue to lead the strategy.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Along with all of our colleagues at TPG, we look forward to working with the Peppertree team to build significant long-term value for our clients and for our shareholders. Now we'll open up the line for questions.

[Operator]

At this time, if you wish to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue by pressing Star two. Again, please limit yourself to one question. We'll take our first question from Craig Siegenthaler with Bank of America. Please.

[Craig Siegenthaler, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Thank you. Good morning, Jon, Jack, Cooper. Everyone's doing well.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Good, Craig.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Thanks, Craig.

[Craig Siegenthaler, Managing Director at Bank of America]

We had a follow-up on the private wealth channel. On the product side, I'm curious, what is the expected flow contribution or trajectory from TPOP and TCAP over the next year? It sounds like TPOP may actually start flowing pretty soon, like inside of 2Q 2025.

[Craig Siegenthaler, Managing Director at Bank of America]

Just a follow-up on the RIA channel. Jon, I heard your comments around structuring innovative partnerships, but do you expect to launch an interval fund with third-party private credit managers, just given the unique requirement to that channel?

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Yeah, I'll start, Craig. Thanks for the question. Look, I'll start, and Jon covered a lot of this in his remarks, but increasing our private wealth business is one of our most important strategic priorities for the firm. I think it's safe to say the entire firm is focused on it. If you look back at the progress we've made so far, last year we raised $2.4 billion from the private wealth channel, including the family office channel, which was more than double what we raised in 2023. In the first quarter, we raised about $525 million, so increasing the pace again.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

I think right now we view this as an inflection point as we expand our team and expand our product set. We've been materially increasing the size of our sales and marketing team. To your point, we've been very focused on creating new products that are attractive for the channel. The TPOP is the first of those. As Jon said, we've got two very important strategic partners on the wirehouse side that we're working actively with toward an activation in June, which is exactly what we've been saying. We remain exactly on track for the launch of TPOP. It's hard to quantify expected inflows at this point until we start seeing those, which will occur in June. We'll have a lot more to say on that in the next quarterly call.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

TCAP is another product along with Mortgage Value Partners, the two evergreen vehicles on the Angelo Gordon platform. I would say, as we've been out talking to channel partners on TPOP, it's increased the visibility of those two products, and we're seeing increased engagement in what's already been a good increase in the flow there. I don't know how to predict the flows of TCAP, but they should be increasing over time. I'd say also TCAP, as the non-traded BDC that feeds into the Twin Brook business, there's increasing kind of appreciation in the high-net-worth marketplace, just like there is among our institutions for the unique position that Twin Brook holds in the direct lending business and a real desire for people to diversify their exposure to direct lending away from the high end and toward the lower middle market where Twin Brook is focused.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

We're seeing that result in increased flows to both TCAP on the private wealth side and into Twin Brook institutionally. Jon talked about some of the engagement with our large strategic clients and how that's resulting in big commitments that we're in the middle of closing on. That is in part driven by that market position of Twin Brook, as well as the other credit businesses of Angelo Gordon. Sticking with private wealth, the other thing we're focused on as we're making good progress on TPOP is diversifying our product set into additional product categories. We're actively working on a multi-strategy credit product that would complement the single-strategy products that are Mortgage Value Partners and TCAP. We're actively working on a real estate product for the channel where the idea of a high-performing real estate platform like ours with no kind of legacy portfolio is very attractive to our partners.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

All of that is in the works. Finally, we are in active discussions with potential strategic partners, both to access the RIA channel and more broadly to think through some of these public-private partnerships that are in the works. We are actively working on all of those steps to build this private wealth business. I think this will be one of the most important topics we all talk about in the coming year or two as we build.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

[Ken Worthington, Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan]

Hi. Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Going to transaction and other fees, clearly jumped a lot this quarter. You mentioned the build-out of capital markets. I guess maybe first, are those capabilities fully or largely built out and launched at this point?

[Ken Worthington, Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan]

If not, how far along the ramping process are you? Maybe digging a little deeper into 1Q 2025 specifically, why so strong? Deployment was down this quarter. What was it about either the type of transactions or the asset classes or the nuances in 1Q that contributed to the magnitude of the increase that we saw?

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Yeah, I'll start on that answer. Thanks for the question, Ken. First of all, I would say on your first question, we really have invested in building out the team. We're not done yet, but I'd say we're three-quarters of the way done with adding resources to the team to facilitate the penetration of all of our businesses and the active revenue generation across all of our businesses. I'd say the first quarter, while a strong quarter, really only partially represents the further expansion of that business.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

As I tried to allude to in my comments, we see a lot more upside to continue growing that revenue line in the coming quarters and years as we continue to integrate it with other businesses. I think it's going to be much more diversified next year. The credit opportunity, I think we're in the second inning of that opportunity with a lot more growth ahead of us. In the first quarter, it really was nothing new beyond that further integration into our platforms. There were no particularly strong one-time events. It was really a broad-based use of our capital markets team across all of our transaction closings and across refinancing activity in the portfolio.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Yeah, the only thing I would add is I think that as we built this capability, we've obviously built expertise from a capital markets perspective in terms of bringing people into the firm.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

As you know, when we talk about our different businesses and our different funds, if you looked around the organization now, what you would see is capital markets capability essentially embedded into each one of those businesses. There is kind of go-to expertise that's sitting with and working consistently with the deal teams in all these different businesses. It is much more present, and it is much more connected to the deal process. The growth that Jack referred to, if you look at the execution of that, a lot of it depends on the adoption and understanding of where we add value from a capital markets perspective among our deal teams.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

With the addition of Angelo Gordon and our businesses there, particularly when you look at the credit solutions opportunity and the Twin Brook opportunity, and as we source opportunities and think about really extending the capabilities of our broker-dealer, both in some cases for syndication of risk, in other cases for participating in other opportunities as a result of bilateral relationships with other originators, there's just a lot of opportunity there. We're going to continue to build it out, but we feel like we've gotten really good traction and momentum within the business. My guess is that the sort of the baseload, if you will, of revenue as a result of the expansion and continued growth of our franchise will follow suit.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Alex Blostein, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Thank you, and good morning, everybody.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

My question is around private equity. Obviously, this continues to be an area of probably most concern given the changing backdrop we've seen over the last month, month and a half here. I was very encouraged by your comments around fundraising and the way you're thinking about both capital and healthcare launches in the middle of the year. I was hoping you could expand on that a little bit and maybe what gives you confidence on being sort of able to get these done this year or get, I guess, the first closes done this year. How is LP makeup shaping up maybe relative to your existing base and are there any sort of discounts or incentives that you feel like you have to put into place to get these campaigns off the ground?

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Effectively just kind of hoping to go through some of these details a little bit more. Thanks.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Yeah, thanks, Alex. Maybe I'll make a couple of comments, and maybe Todd will also follow on and make some comments because we're sort of all on the front lines out there talking to our clients constantly. First of all, I think that one of the most important things to keep in mind is that not everybody in this market is created equal. If you look at, and I think that's really important, I think that there's obviously the private equity market is tight, and there's clearly a dynamic where there has not been enough capital returned, and clients are nearly fully allocated or overallocated. There are various reasons for that, as kind of we all know. It's well-written. It's well-documented.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

The dialogue that we're having with our clients is really sort of predicated on the fact that I think that our franchise across all of our strategies is probably performing better than it's ever had in our history just in terms of consistency and performance. I mean, I think that you know we've talked about the consistency with which we have been focused on not only investing well but also monetizing and returning capital. I think we've been a leader in that, and our clients recognize it and understand it. Also our clients feel like they're in a better position to return capital to us as a result of that. Just out of interest, I had some numbers run that look at our ratio of realized returns to invested capital.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

If you look at our numbers, it's pretty interesting. Basically starting in 2020, in 2020, we returned that ratio was 1.1x. We actually returned more capital than we invested in 2021. This is for all of our private equity strategies combined. In 2021, it was 1.4x. In 2022, it was 1x. In 2023, it was 0.5x. We invested more than we returned. In 2024, it was 1.1x. The first quarter, it was 0.9x.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

When you look at that balance, one of the things I think the conclusion you should draw from that is that not only are we trying to be very tactical in terms of the way we invest, in terms of how we source, the thematic approach that we take, our sectors and our focus in terms of constructing our portfolios, but we're also, I think, very deliberate in terms of how we manage our funds and how we think about our stakeholders with respect to return of capital and how we apply oversight to the process of evaluating where do we want to exit, when do we want to exit. I think that it's, again, not everyone is created equal in this market.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

I think that as a result of that, when we make the statement that we're getting good resonance from our clients, for instance, and you look at TPG Capital, there's a reason for that. I think that I spent a lot of time with our clients, and I think that our approach really resonates with our clients, and they want to continue to partner with us, and they're differentiating us relative to others. We're not the only ones, but it's definitely not one size fits all. Maybe I'll just turn it over to Todd to give you also some perspective because he's obviously out there on the road day-to-day and in the middle of it. Todd, maybe you can give some perspective on it as well.

[Todd Sisitsky, President at TPG]

Absolutely. I agree with Jon.

[Todd Sisitsky, President at TPG]

I think the DPI piece, the return of capital, is a big part of it. Here's sort of my quick take. Like Jon, Jim, Jack, and a number of our senior partners, we've all been on the road. I've been in the Middle East. We were at the Milken Conference. I've been particularly involved in the capital fundraisers and, as I remain, very involved in that business. I think there's a couple of key components to our approach that has resonated well with our partners. One is just the portfolio construction. If you look at, since you mentioned TPG Capital and the Healthcare Partners Fund, I'll mention that. I'll focus on that in particular for a moment. Over two-thirds of that portfolio is some combination of structured relationships with corporates or carve-outs.

[Todd Sisitsky, President at TPG]

Really differentiated deal stories, some of which have some or meaningful elements of downside protection, all in thematic areas. Really, I think a portfolio that you do not see in any of our competitors' portfolios. Folks appreciate that differentiation. The results of the portfolio and the performance of the portfolio in private equities remain very strong. I think Jack mentioned this, but 18%+ revenue growth with margin expansion over the LTM period. That is both by virtue of focusing on sectorally growing areas and situations in which we can inflect the growth further through our engagement. The DPI, which Jon mentioned, we are very intentional about that going back now many years. I think that has become an increasingly positive differentiator for us.

[Todd Sisitsky, President at TPG]

I think in general, just a lot of comments that we do what we say we're going to do in terms of the sectors, the themes, the type of investments, a lot of continuity on the team, and just a general high level of engagement with our partners. We are very sensitive to the macro environment. We take nothing for granted. We are engaged day-to-day and always anxious around what's coming around the corner. At this moment, the business feels very strong, as strong as I can remember it. I think our clients appreciate that. I think, as Jon said, are increasingly making differentiated decisions around where they're going to concentrate their capital and where they might be less lean in. I think we're feeling like we're on the right side of that.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Yeah.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

I guess one more comment, Alex, to be responsive to your question with respect to fees and arrangements with clients. We're really doing what you would expect us to do, which is our clients are concentrating their focus in terms of the number of managers who they want to be invested with. We're obviously taking advantage of that by virtue of creating strategic relationships and holistic relationships where they get the benefit of doing that across multiple products, multiple asset classes. The strategic partnership that I mentioned in my opening comments that gives us access to up to $4 billion of additional capital is with obviously a longtime partner of ours. That strategic partnership is structured intentionally across PE, credit, real estate, real estate and infrastructure.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

There is obviously, and the mindset around that in terms of how to structure it is that there are benefits over the long term that accrue to the relationship by participating with us also in a series of funds, not just one fund. It is a series of funds. What these relationships are also doing is creating more duration to the capital flow that we see and more stickiness and connectivity. You have to have the performance to do that, but you also have to have the relationships to do it.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Glenn Schorr with Evercore. Please go ahead.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

Thank you. Hello there.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Hey, Glenn.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Hey, Glenn.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

Hello. Hello. I heard all the comments about the broadening in general across TPG, which I think we all like.

[Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director at Evercore]

See if we could drill down a little bit more on credit and to see where you think you need to broaden and deepen your scale across credit. Obviously, Angelo Gordon was a great addition. What you need to add on to be more, I do not know if full service is the right word, but that is what I am thinking about. Within that context, we have seen cyclical pressures on insurance-related spread earnings across the industry. I know that is an area you have been thinking about a lot. I am just curious if any of the market-related pressures that we have seen lately change how you go about thinking about broadening and insurance as well. Thanks. Sorry for the two-part.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

That is all right. You squeezed that in there. I think, first of all, on the credit side, it is a good question.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

I think that let's talk about sort of the growth drivers and sort of the add-ons to our strategies. I think just starting with our existing business, one of the things that we identified when we did Angelo Gordon is we felt like we had a lot of opportunity to grow the existing strategies and the platforms. Twin Brook, let me just use Twin Brook, which is the lower middle market lending platform, as an example. We had a view, we had a thesis that we could grow that platform because it was out-originating. It's capital-based. Introduce Twin Brook to a lot of our historical relationships. As I mentioned in my prepared comments, we really see that flowing through now, and we're starting to see that happen. We've owned the platform now for less than two years.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

I think that as you guys have learned about how you raise capital, particularly in the institutional world, it's not a one-meeting cycle. Creating new introductions to large pools of capital that haven't either participated before takes multiple cycles and a lot of focus and effort. We're doing that, and we've done that, and we're now seeing it inflect and pay off, as I mentioned in my opening comment. When you look at Twin Brook as an example with respect to its strategy, and Jack mentioned this specifically in his comments, we are seeing as a result of the growth in private credit and direct lending, what we're seeing is institutions and allocators still allocating to it and increasing allocations, but looking for more diversification within the space. The lower middle market space is different than the upper middle market space.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

In the upper middle market space, you're starting to see club deals. You've got a number of different managers that are participating in the same deals. You get overlaps in exposure. Not surprising, we've seen the expansion and the size of the platform at Twin Brook, and we will continue to. The obvious related issue is since we have close to 300 borrowers in that portfolio, and many of them grow over time, there's clearly an opportunity to capture those same borrowers as they go up in size and scale, and they move on to the next private equity fund that owns them or the next sponsor that owns them. We're in the process of structuring kind of our next stage of kind of our lending franchise. You'll hear about it more over the coming quarters. We're putting ourselves in a position.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

There may be a number of different levers to growing this to essentially move up in the size stack in areas where we feel like we have a competitive advantage and we have a reason to win. We feel like there's meaningful expansion available to us there on the lending side. That's one example. A second example where I think we can grow our platform is we have a smaller CLO platform. When we think about multi being a performing credit manager, which I think is very important in terms of our overall capabilities, we need to continue to grow and expand that. We recently made an important hire in terms of adding to our leadership group on the CLO side.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

We're also looking for perhaps other areas where we can tuck in other opportunities on the CLO side to continue to get to scale there because scale is important in that business. That is a second example. A third example is we are looking around in Europe for what are the opportunities to grow our credit franchise into Europe, where we have a relatively small capability as it relates to the Angelo Gordon franchise today on the credit side. They were established in Europe on the real estate side, but we are looking for opportunities to kind of grow our presence on the credit side in Europe as well. Those are some examples of, I think, where we can continue to expand our platform. Then pivoting to insurance.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

On the insurance side, I think we've said for a long time now that we're continuing to focus on partnerships. We've grown our insurance partnerships just in terms of where we're managing assets on the behalf of insurers pretty meaningfully, and we continue to in terms of the number of new relationships, the amount of capital that we're managing. To your point, Glenn, on the strategic side, as we've mentioned before, we're trying to be mindful of the fact that we don't want to turn ourselves into an insurance company. We do feel that it's important for us to actually be more embedded in the space as a result of the ability to use that as a driver of capital flows, particularly longer-dated capital flows. We are in dialogue with a number of potential partners as a result of our capabilities overall across asset classes.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

I think that our goal is to have more to talk about on that as we make more progress and not move away from our balance sheet orientation that we've traditionally had. I think we will make progress on that when we find the right situation, but that's how we're thinking about it.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

[Brian Bedell, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to shift to the impact platform, I think you talked about the elongated sales cycles. I guess the question is, are you seeing a big difference in the U.S. versus outside the U.S. in terms of the perception around policy uncertainties?

[Brian Bedell, Director at Deutsche Bank]

In other words, is it slowing down in the U.S. for both, I guess, both for both deployment prospects on the impact platform as well as fundraising? I guess, are you seeing more opportunity outside the U.S.? I know you mentioned the global sales deployment. Maybe just some color around those two dynamics going forward.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Jim?

[Jim Coulter, Executive Chairman and Co-founder at TPG]

Brian, I'll take that one. It's Jim Coulter. There is so much going on in the ground in so many sectors right now, but that's certainly true in climate. I think it's really important, as you suggest, to take a global perspective and separate some of the signal from the noise. Just stepping back for a moment, Todd and I were talking about this the other day.

[Jim Coulter, Executive Chairman and Co-founder at TPG]

On the ground, it feels very much like 2010 in healthcare, where a bunch of discussions about U.S. policy sort of created a lot of noise. That eventually got worked out, and the next five years were extraordinary for healthcare. Some of that feel is playing through in the climate area. Taking it down into the ground and talking globally, last year, clean energy spending was over $2 trillion, which was twice fossil fuel spending. Around the world, north of 90% of the energy addition was happening through clean energy. Just as an aside, the U.S. was only 10% of energy addition. 90% of the action is outside of the U.S. Interestingly enough, they seem sort of unbothered by the discussion that is going on about U.S. policy, and the markets are continuing apace and, if anything, accelerating.

[Jim Coulter, Executive Chairman and Co-founder at TPG]

As Jon said earlier, we just signed a deal for wind turbine manufacturing in India, where clean energy has doubled in the last five years and is going to double in the next five years. We just signed another deal in Europe in adaptation. The rest of the world, which is over 50% of where we're targeting our capital and over 70% where our capital comes from, is kind of moving apace. To your question, the U.S., there are two things happening in the U.S. First of all, there are a lot of questions about where some of the IRA provisions will land. We'll know that in the next few months. This is happening at a time that Texas just passed California as the largest clean energy state. A lot of the spending from the IRA has gone into Republican districts. That is going to be an interesting discussion.

[Jim Coulter, Executive Chairman and Co-founder at TPG]

At the same time, that discussion is going on. We are short energy in the U.S. for the first time in 20+ years. There is an acceleration driven by AI and other industrial factors. The administration is adopting a policy that I would call all of the above. They want energy dominance in all areas. How that is actually playing out, if you look at energy addition last year in the U.S., it was actually 97% clean. This year, it will be 95% clean. Even if you could get a gas turbine, you are several years off from that delivery. As a result, we have some uncertainty on the policy side with the IRA, but a huge acceleration in upgrading of the grid and power addition. Those are playing out in interesting ways. Our pipeline is actually quite full.

[Jim Coulter, Executive Chairman and Co-founder at TPG]

In the rest of the world, it's kind of business as usual. In the U.S., some of this noise is creating opportunity. We just did a take private that we closed recently. Altus Power is a company that was bought at half the price of where it went public, even though EBITDA had more than tripled since it went public. There's going to be opportunities all over the world. On the fundraising side, nobody has dropped out of our fundraising processes yet, but you can imagine that investment committees will take advantage of a chance just to watch things develop for a while. We remain focused on all of our targets. As Jon said, we suspect it will elongate a touch. Very interesting market and one that I'm fascinated by the opportunity set.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Brian McKenna with Citizens.

[Operator]

Please go ahead.

[Brian Mckenna, Director of Equity Research at Citizens]

Great. Thanks. A couple of questions on the Peppertree acquisition. Where does fee-earning AUM stand today, and what's the average fee rate for the business? Peppertree has grown its underlying flagship fund by about $500 million over the last few vintages. How should we think about the size of these flagship funds over time once formally integrated into TPG? It looks like the flagship fund is in the market every two years. Should we expect Fund 11 to commence fundraising this year?

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

I'll just start real quick and then turn it over to Jack.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

As it relates to sort of the progression of funds, I think you're right about how they have done this in terms of being fairly consistent in terms of being able to grow the capacity just as their relationships around the country have grown and developed and deepened. The flow of essentially tower development and lease-up has grown. They've been able to grow the opportunity. One of the things that we have spent a lot of time talking to them about is that these cash flows and these returns are really interesting in a number of respects. One of the things that Ryan and Howard have been focused on is that many of their LPs want to own these cash flows on a longer duration basis.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

One of the things that we're going to work on with Peppertree is essentially also moving to an evergreen-style fund structure. We're going to work on that. That'll lengthen the duration of the capital and create another flow of capital that they can take advantage of. That is interesting and attractive to us. The other thing about the Peppertree return structure that we like a lot is that when we think about across a range of different other pools of capital, there are opportunities that flow off of these types of assets with the consistency and the return that can be useful to us as a source of assets into insurance and particularly the financing for all of this acquisition activity.

[Jon Winkelried, CEO at TPG]

Then secondly, with respect to what Jack was mentioning before, as we think about the broader flow of product and return opportunity into private wealth, there is a very attractive return stream as well. That is how we are thinking about sort of the kind of next jumping-off point in terms of the growth of this platform. I will turn it to Jack.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Yeah. I was going to say the same thing on the private wealth applicability and the real asset, kind of the fit with other real assets with long-term stable cash flow characteristics. On your question about fee rates, first of all, on FAUM, on AUM versus FAUM, there is really no non-fee-paying capital in the complex for Peppertree. The difference between AUM and FAUM is simply performance. The performance, as you have seen, has been very strong.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

As assets have gone up, you get a gap between invested capital and current AUM at market value. The FAUM, I'd say, is in the $4.5 billion-$5 billion range. Average fee rates are very consistent with what you would think of as kind of our average fee rates for comparably sized private equity-oriented funds, which is to say kind of the 1.5%-2% range would be an average fee rate for the business. Oh, sorry. Last question you asked. Try to track them all. Was the pace of deployment and the expectation for the next fund that we at this point, the most recent fund, Fund 10, is about 40% called with good investment pace. You're right about the average pacing of their new fundraising activity.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

At this point, I would expect that we'll be back in the market with their next fund at some point next year.

[Operator]

Thank you. Our next question will come from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

[Michael Cyprys, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Hey, good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Maybe just circling back to some of the commentary you had alluded to earlier in your prepared remarks around hearing about clients evaluating geographic diversification. I was just hoping you could elaborate a bit on that, just given policy changes here in the U.S. and around the world. Just curious how you're thinking about positioning for that, given you guys run more of a global fund structure. What's the opportunity set as you think about it from a product standpoint for maybe more regional-specific or country-specific funds?

[Michael Cyprys, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Maybe you could just remind us on your exposure to China from an investment portfolio and LP capital base. Thank you.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Yeah. Sure, Mike. I think in the dialogue that we're having, I think I mentioned right in my opening comments that one of the things that we have all doubled down on here is making sure that we are connected to our clients and talking to our clients because there's just a lot of uncertainty in the world right now. There's certainly a lot of uncertainty around U.S. policy. There have been things that have happened that I think have been maybe a surprise with respect to market relationships in terms of how equity markets, bond markets, currency markets have moved.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

I think it's not surprising to see large, sophisticated institutional clients take a step back and think about, "Okay, well, where am I deploying capital? Where are my exposures?" Obviously, because of the US market being what it is, most big, large institutional clients are heavily exposed to the U.S. In thinking about what's going on here, I think there was a lot of different reactions, to be honest with you. I mean, I think last two days, a group of us were out at Milken meeting with clients there. We've been traveling around the world. I met with the CEO of a couple of our largest, longest-standing clients over the last couple of weeks and talking about things like their dollar-denominated exposure. Should they be thinking about how that exposure looks, hedging that exposure, etc.?

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

The conversation quickly turns to where the opportunities are, quickly turns to the opportunities and whether or not there are ways of doing some more interesting things in other markets. Just as an example, I think we had one client talk to us about whether or not there are ways to partner, for instance, on control deals in Europe, as an example. I think that, as you mentioned, we are a global franchise. We are operating globally. We are seeing interesting opportunities in a bunch of different locations around the world. I think it gives us an opportunity to do some interesting things with our clients. We are turning our—we are very focused on that. I think there are areas, as an example, Jim just mentioned in terms of climate, where there is just a lot of activity outside the U.S.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Our—and the portfolio, the climate business has already been very active outside the U.S. and will continue to be. Asia has been a region where people have generally thought that there will be systemic growth in Asia. Beyond our capital of business in Asia, we started our growth equity strategy, TECA, in Asia. And we're already seeing really interesting opportunities. And we're seeing clients want to partner with us as we look more at those opportunities. China continues to be a very small part of our total exposure. In aggregate, it's less than 2% of our total AUM at the firm at this point.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

I think that with respect to—we've talked about this before, but with respect to our last couple of funds in Asia, it's for a combination of reasons not been a focus of ours as it relates to deploying capital into China. We are obviously continuing to work on the residual portfolio that we have there to make sure that it performs. The other thing that I think we feel is important is we still have a presence in China. One of the reasons we feel that's important is because from a regional economic perspective, as you invest in Asia, Southeast Asia, Australia, Korea, as a market for an end market for many of the companies that are in our portfolio, it's critically important, actually. We're not ignoring it from that perspective, but what we're doing.

[Mike Brown, Financial Advisor at Wells Fargo Securities]

Thank you.

[Mike Brown, Financial Advisor at Wells Fargo Securities]

We'll take our last question from Mike Brown with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

[Mike Brown, Financial Advisor at Wells Fargo Securities]

Great. Thanks for squeezing me in. I just wanted to ask on the FRE margin. If some of the fundraising, the elongation there, causes some of your fundraising to slip a quarter, does lower catch-up fees kind of impact your FRE margin in 4Q? Is it fair to assume that Peppertree is accretive to your margins? Is that included in your 4Q FRE margin comment?

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

Yeah. Hey, Mike. It's Jack. Obviously, to the extent we do see material slippage of fundraising, that would flow through to margin. I would tell you that's already built into our model, those assumptions. It would take further slippage than what we're already forecasting from just basic elongation of campaigns. We don't have that built into our models at this point.

[Jack Weingart, CFO at TPG]

As I mentioned in my comments, it is accretive, but it's not very large compared to our base. It's not going to be—we're not assuming significant accretion from Peppertree behind my comment that we still expect to be in the mid-40s by year-end.

[Operator]

Thank you. This concludes the Q&A portion of today's call. I would now like to turn the call back over to Gary Stein for closing remarks.

[Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations at TPG]

Great. Thanks, operator. And thanks everyone for joining us today. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to follow up with the IR team directly.

[Operator]

This concludes today's TPG's first quarter 2025 earnings call and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.

Participants

Executives

• Gary Stein, Head of Investor Relations
• Jack Weingart, CFO
• Jon Winkelried, CEO
• Jim Coulter, Executive Chairman and Co-founder
• Todd Sisitsky, President

Analysts

• Mike Brown, Financial Advisor at Wells Fargo Securities
• Michael Cyprys, Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst at Morgan Stanley
• Alex Blostein, Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs
• Brian Bedell, Director at Deutsche Bank
• Craig Siegenthaler, Managing Director at Bank of America
• Brian Mckenna, Director of Equity Research at Citizens
• Glenn Schorr, Senior Managing Director at Evercore
• Ken Worthington, Senior Equity Research Analyst at JPMorgan