ABM Industries Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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ABM Industries Q2 2025
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Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the ABM Industries Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, participants are in listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Please note this conference is being recorded.

Operator

At this time, I'll turn the conference over to Paul Goldberg, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Paul, you may begin.

Paul Goldberg
Paul Goldberg
Senior VP of Investor Relations at ABM Industries

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to ABM's Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. My name is Paul Goldberg, I'm the Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at ABM. With me today are Scott Salmiers, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Earl Ellis, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please note that earlier this morning we issued our press release announcing our second quarter twenty twenty five financial results and outlook. A copy of that release and an accompanying slide presentation can be found on our website, abm.com.

Paul Goldberg
Paul Goldberg
Senior VP of Investor Relations at ABM Industries

After Scott and Earl's prepared remarks we will host a Q and A session. But before we begin, I would like to remind you that our call and presentation today contain predictions, estimates and other forward looking statements. Our use of the words estimate, expect and similar expressions are intended to identify these statements and they represent our current judgment of what the future holds. While we believe them to be reasonable, these statements are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. These factors are described in the slide that accompanies our presentation as well as our filings with the SEC.

Paul Goldberg
Paul Goldberg
Senior VP of Investor Relations at ABM Industries

During the course of this call certain non GAAP financial information will be presented. A reconciliation of historical non GAAP numbers to GAAP financial measures is available at the end of the presentation and on the company's website under the Investor tab. And with that I would like now to turn the call over to Scott.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us to review our second quarter results. We achieved several important milestones this quarter. Notably, we returned to organic growth in both B and I and M and

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

D, significantly improved our cash flow compared to the first quarter and generated $1,100,000,000 in new bookings during the first half, marking a new record for ABM. Overall, we posted 3.8% organic revenue growth highlighted by continued recovery in our core commercial office markets, new contract wins and a diminished impact from prior year client exits in M and D. We also saw solid performances in our aviation and education segments. While growth in ATS remained strong, it could have been even higher had we not experienced some temporary project delays and service mix headwinds that impacted profitability. As we've discussed before, this business can be a little lumpy quarter to quarter based on construction timing.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

But the market is extremely healthy overall and we expect ATS to deliver a very strong year. In total, ABM delivered 2,100,000,000 in revenue and adjusted EPS of $0.86 Looking ahead, despite ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty, we remain confident in our core markets, particularly high quality office properties, manufacturing and distribution facilities, commercial aviation, as well as energy resiliency and microgrids. We expect delayed projects from Q2 to resume in the third quarter and are reaffirming our full year adjusted EPS guidance. As I noted earlier, we're pleased to see B and I return to organic growth in the second quarter. Market indicators for prime commercial office space have been improving steadily.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

CBRE reports that prime vacancy rate declined 50 basis points year over year in Q1 to 14.8%, well below the broader office market vacancy rate of 19%. Demand continues to favor high quality, amenity rich buildings and well connected locations. We've been intentional in focusing our strategy on this premium segment. Geographically, the lowest prime vacancy rates are in the Northeast and Midwest, 2 of our largest markets. Given these trends, we expect to see market improvement translate into growth and account expansion.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

And that's exactly what's happening. In addition to the rebound in US Prime Office, our UK operations and sports and entertainment and parking businesses continue to perform well. Turning to M and D, I'm pleased to report that the segment returned to organic growth a quarter earlier than anticipated. Our teams have done an excellent job expanding with existing e commerce clients and winning new business with semiconductor and tech manufacturers. In total, M and D posted nearly $400,000,000 in revenue in Q2 or 20% of total company revenue.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

More broadly in this segment, we're evolving our service offering from traditional cleaning and maintenance to include ancillary support services like material handling and test and balancing services. These offerings help clients focus on their core operations and deepen our strategic relationships with them. We believe the long term fundamentals of the M and D market remain strong as companies continue to invest in US based manufacturing. And we're investing accordingly in technical sales and industry specific capabilities. As mentioned earlier, we booked $1,100,000,000 in new sales in the first half, up 11% year over year and a new record.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

A key highlight was securing approximately $190,000,000 in new business from a major big box retailer for the next phase of their micro grid build out. This reflects their confidence in our electrical engineering expertise, technology, and client first approach. Beyond that, ATS secured a large battery energy storage system project supporting renewable thermal hybrid energy centers, helping communities achieve ambitious sustainability goals. In aviation, we won a $25,000,000 contract at Miami International Airport and also had a large cabin cleaning win at the Dallas Fort Worth Airport, 2 of the nation's busiest by passenger volume. Our team continues to do a great job on building on the successes at O'Hare, LaGuardia and JFK to showcase our differentiated tech enabled solutions that drive favorable client outcomes and it's truly resonating in the market.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

We also secured other high profile wins including new contracts with two major investment banks in New York City, several top technology firms including a global autonomous driving company and a memory and storage leader, as well as with well known semiconductor and aerospace manufacturers. These wins reflect our strong reputation among sophisticated clients with complex needs and rigorous standards. Increasingly, they're turning to AVM to leverage our scale, integrated capabilities and tech investments. And we're raising our game accordingly in talent and execution. We've made important progress on our ERP implementation this quarter, reducing operational friction and setting the stage for continued improvements in the second half, particularly in cash flow.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Our teams are fully aligned and focused on driving this initiative to completion with strong coordination and a shared commitment to delivering lasting operational benefits. Let me now give you a brief update across our segments. In B and I, according to JLL, US office leasing activity in Q1 twenty twenty five grew 15.3% year over year to 50,400,000 square feet, 89% of pre pandemic levels. Prime office space continues to outperform with over 2,000,000 square feet of positive net absorption and a 14.8% vacancy rate compared to the market average of 19%. This plays directly to our strength in Class A urban properties.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

With regard to M and D, we're benefiting from strong industrial activity. The Semiconductor Industry Association reports over $200,000,000,000 in US semiconductor investments since 2020 driven by AI, automotive and cloud sectors. E commerce also continues to grow with Q1 online sales up 6.1 year over year reaching $300,200,000,000 and 16.2% of total retail. This macro data coupled with our new business pipeline and expansion efforts positions us well for the future. Turning to aviation, domestic air travel remains strong.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

TSA data shows daily screenings frequently exceeding 2,500,000 in May. Our technology led offerings, especially ABM Connect and wins like the $25,000,000 Miami International Airport contract give us confidence in outpacing sector growth. Our education segment remains a stable contributor of earnings and cash flow. According to Wardium, twenty seven percent of higher ed institutions are modestly expanding some portion of their facilities. We continue to focus on large school districts and universities, meaning maintaining high retention and cost efficiency while pursuing new opportunities.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Finally, in technical solutions, our microgrid business is strong and total segment backlog now sits at $700,000,000 We're also positioned to benefit from accelerating demand in data centers. JLL projects global data center capacity will grow 15% annually with construction expected to hit record levels in 2025 and significantly more in the future. These positive market dynamics strongly reinforce the strategic costs we set over the past several years. Our focused investments in talent, technology and go to market execution combined with targeted M and A have positioned ABM to capture outsized opportunities across our portfolio. Whether it's capitalizing on the resurgence of prime office space, supporting the expansion of high growth sectors like semiconductors and e commerce, or leading the energy transition through our technical solutions platform, we believe our capabilities and our strategies to enhance them are fully aligned with where demand is going.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

As a result, we remain highly confident in our ability to sustain healthy top line growth and expand margins over time. With that, I'll turn it over to Earl to walk through the financials.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Good morning, everyone. Before we review the Q2 financial results, I would like to highlight a recent update to our financial disclosures. After communications with the staff of the Securities and Exchange Commission, we have revised the definition of our non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA, and adjusted EBITDA margin to no longer exclude the positive or negative impact of prior year self insurance adjustments. These adjustments reflect net changes to our self insurance reserve for general liability, workers' compensation, automobile and health insurance programs, specifically related to claims for prior year incidents. This definitional change has been applied to our Q2 twenty twenty five results and retroactively to all prior periods presented to ensure comparability.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Importantly, there was no impact to our current quarter's results. However, the updated Q2 twenty twenty four figures now include an unfavorable $4,300,000 or 5¢ per diluted share from prior period self insurance adjustments. Now let's review the second quarter results starting on slide six. Revenue grew 4.6 year over year to $2,100,000,000 driven by 3.8% organic growth and contributions from our 2024 acquisition of Quality Uptime Services. Revenue growth was a gain led by technical solutions and aviation, which delivered 199% growth respectively.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

As Scott mentioned, we also saw both B and I and M and D return to organic growth, up 32% respectively. Education posted steady performance with 1% growth. Turning to slide seven, net income for the quarter was $42,200,000 or 67¢ per diluted share, compared to $43,800,000 or 69¢ per diluted share in the prior year. Adjusted net income was $54,100,000 or 86¢ per diluted share up slightly from 52,300,000.0 or 82¢ per diluted share last year. The increase was primarily driven by higher segment earnings and lower corporate costs, particularly from the absence of unfavorable prior year self insurance adjustments.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

These gains were partially offset by higher interest expense. Adjusted EBITDA was $125,900,000 compared to $121,000,000 last year and adjusted EBITDA margin was flat at 6.2%. Now let's turn to segment performance beginning with slide eight. B and I revenue reached $1,000,000,000 up 3% from last year. This performance was driven by expansion with existing clients, improved conditions in The US prime commercial office market, strong retention and continued strength in our UK sports and entertainment and parking businesses.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Operating profit rose 7% to $83,000,000 and margin improved 40 basis points to 8.2 on the back of higher volume and strong cost controls. Aviation revenue grew 9% to $260,100,000 supported by positive travel trends and new wins with both airport and airline clients. This includes core cleaning services at Miami International Airport, which will ramp up in the third quarter. Operating profit for aviation was $16,500,000 up 26% with margins up 80 basis points to 6.3%. These results reflect volume growth and a favorable contract mix.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Turning to slide nine, M and D generated $398,100,000 a 2% increase year over year. The return to organic growth was driven by new contract wins, expansion with existing clients and a reduced impact from a client exit. Operating profit was $39,900,000 with a margin of 10% compared to $43,600,000 and 11.2% in the prior year. The year over year margin decline reflects investments in technical sales talent and capabilities capabilities to drive growth in key sectors like semiconductors and data centers, along with strategic pricing on new select contracts. Education revenue rose 1% to $227,800,000 supported by favorable pricing and stable retention rates.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Operating profit increased 19% to $13,800,000 with margin expanding 90 basis points to 6%, primarily due to improved labor efficiency and tight cost control. Technical solutions delivered 19% revenue growth to $210,200,000 with 10% coming from organic growth and 9% coming from the acquisition of Quality Uptime Services. Continued growth was driven by strong demand for microgrids and mission critical and power services. Revenue growth and profits would have been even higher had we not experienced some delays in mechanical and electrical project execution during the quarter. Operating profit was $13,400,000 with a 6.4% margin, down from 17,000,000 and 9.6% last year.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

The decline reflects project timing and service mix shifts, particularly within microgrid where more revenue last year came from higher margin design and engineering work. Margin was also impacted by higher amortization costs. We expect margin to improve in the second half as delayed projects move forward and mix normalizes. Now turning to slide 10, we ended the second quarter with total indebtedness of $1,600,000,000 including $29,700,000 in standby letters of credit. Our total debt to pro form a adjusted EBITDA ratio was 2.9 times.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Available liquidity stood at $657,800,000 including $58,700,000 in cash and cash equivalents. Free cash flow for the quarter was $15,000,000 an improvement of $138,000,000 over quarter one. This reflects progress in reducing operational friction from our ERP conversion. While working capital remains elevated year over year, we're encouraged by the momentum and expect billing and collections to normalize in the second half. Assuming continued progress, we believe we're positioned to meet our full year normalized free cash flow target with sequential improvement expected in both q three and q four.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

As a reminder, normalized free cash flow for the full year is expected to be in the range of $2.50 to $290,000,000. This forecast excludes 30 to $40,000,000 of Elevate and integration costs and any portion of the Raven Bolt earn out payment that will be recorded as operating cash outflow. Interest expense in the quarter was $23,900,000 up $3,300,000 from last year due to higher average debt balances. We expect quarterly interest expense to moderate over the second half of the year. Turning to our outlook on slide 11, as Scott mentioned, we are reaffirming our full year guidance for adjusted EPS to be in the range of $3.65 to $3.8 and an adjusted EBITDA margin between 6.36.5%.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Going forward, we will highlight any material impacts resulting from the inclusion of prior year self insurance adjustments in our non GAAP results. Finally, we are maintaining our interest expense forecast of 80,000,000 to $84,000,000 and continue to expect a normalized tax rate before discrete items of 29% to 30%. With that, I'll hand it back to Scott for closing remarks.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Thanks Earl. Before we wrap up, I want to extend my thanks to the entire ABM team for their continued focus and execution in what remains a dynamic and evolving market environment. I especially want to recognize the dedication and resilience of our team supporting the ERP implementation. As anyone who's been part of the transformation of this scale knows, these efforts are complex and never a straight line. That said, we're confident this investment will enhance our service delivery, improve operational efficiency, and further elevate the client experience, ultimately strengthening ABM's competitive position.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

And to our client facing team members, your hard work directly contributed to delivering record new bookings in the first half of the year, driving organic growth across all our segments and advancing our strategic priorities. Thanks to all your efforts, we are confident in our ability to deliver long term value for our clients, our teammates, and our shareholders. With that, let's take some questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting the question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question at this time, you may press star one from your telephone keypad and a confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press 2 if you'd like to withdraw your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys.

Operator

So we may address questions for as many participants as possible, ask you please limit yourself to one question with a follow-up. One moment, please, while we poll for the first question. Thank you. The first question is from the line of Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Please proceed with your questions.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

Earl, good morning.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Good morning.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

Hey, congrats on a nice quarter, guys. Clearly, some real momentum building in the businesses here. This is great to see. Earl, I wanted to start out on the cash flow. Can you remind me what the earn out on RavenBold is expected to be?

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Yes. So the total earn out for this quarter was for this year is 75,000,000 for last year. And then for this year, we're expecting right now to be about, 30,000,000.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

So 30,000,000 plus, you know, 30 to 40,000,000 of If

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

you would add all it, probably probably about $280,000,000 all in total, inclusive of the original purchase which was $170,000,000

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

Understood. Got it. And with your cash flow guidance this year being $250,000,000 to $290,000,000 right, if I pull off your Elevate and the RavenVille earn out, that's going to get me close to what, like a hundred and 80,000,000, a hundred and 90,000,000?

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

So 2 things. The majority of the RavenVault payout is more about a financial cash flow or an investment cash flow as opposed to operational. We're still working out that. But if you actually back out kind of like what we would call like one time things, which really would include our Elevate investments as well as integrate integration expenses or cash flow, you'd be looking at a normalized cash flow projection for the year of between $250,000,000 to $290,000,000.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

Okay. So that excludes all of that. And I gotcha. Okay. That that's helpful.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

And and you guys, you know, in the first half of the year have done, I think, about negative 108,000,000 in free cash flow. So to get to positive two fifty, implies a really strong second half of the year. Can you just help bridge that gap for me?

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Yeah. No, absolutely. If you look at kind of, you know, where we're trending right now from a q two perspective, you're absolutely right. We are down. And that really is attributable to, you know, our go live with regards to, you know, our Oracle deployment for M and D, MBNI, where we actually had some challenges in really just getting some of these bills out. And most of that really is due to the fact that we are being very prescriptive in doing a deep analysis and review of all bills before they go out. And as a result of that, you saw that impact our Q1 results.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Good news is we've actually made some really good progress on getting these bills out. And this is really evidenced by the quarter over quarter improvement in cash flow, which was about $138,000,000 We continue to make progress and based on where we were stacking up, we believe that we're going to have incremental improvements in cash flow for both Q3 and Q4. And as a result of that, we will actually catch up to our full year projection in cash flow by the end of the year, which again, on a normalized basis would be the $250,000,000 to $290,000,000

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

Okay. That's helpful. And hey, man, you'd rather get the billing right to begin with than have to go back later and have to deal with the customer that way. So I understand. And then maybe just switching gears here, Scott, for my second question.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

And I really appreciate you sharing those data points on the prime office vacancy rates. Curious how you're thinking about organic growth in the B and I business in the second half the fiscal year. I mean, do you help to build upon that strong growth that we've seen here in the second quarter or is that more of an easier comp situation and maybe organic growth steps back a little bit in the second half here? Thank you.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Yeah. Yeah, I don't see it coming back. Look, we were excited to bridge this chasm here and get to positive. Could it be a little choppy? Possibly.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

But, we like to believe now we're in positive organic growth territory for B and I from here on out. So it was exciting to get over that hump.

Tim Mulrooney
Group Head - Global Services at William Blair

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Thank you.

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Our next questions are from the line of Andy Wittmann with Baird. Please proceed with your questions.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Great. Thanks for taking my questions, guys. I wanted to ask on the M and D segment, I guess. There's a couple of things in your prepared remarks that kind of piqued my interest. So I thought I would kind of dig in a little bit.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

For Scott was the comment on how you're offering more solutions to those customers than you have before. I think you mentioned helping out with material handling and the test and balancing. So I'm just trying to maybe get a little bit more color on that. How many customers are using that or is that just for one particular customer? How evolved is this strategy?

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

And ultimately, I think the question everybody's wondering about is how much opportunity still resides there? I mean, this be a meaningful portion of your M and D segment results? I guess it's probably more applicable just to those warehouse customers probably more than others. But maybe you could just talk about that somewhat, please.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Sure. Look, we think this is going to be an emerging trend for us internally to do more and more outside of the core janitorial. So this happens in way more than just one client, Andy. And the way to think about it let me give you a picture of this thing that's always been helpful to me, too. If you picture a semiconductor facility as an example, And think about in the middle of that semiconductor facility, almost as if it was a bull's eye.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

In the middle of it would be the fabrication center where they're actually making the semiconductors. So traditionally, our work has been outside of that bull's eye, where we've been doing the janitorial, the engineering, but haven't gotten into the fab. The work that we're starting to do is to get into the fabrication facility and do more of the mechanical work, do more of the cleaning inside. And that's kind of the pathways that we're talking about when we talk about materials handling and testing and balancing. It's like breaching that core of that bull's eye.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

So we love that because it's more strategic. It's more sticky with the clients. So you're going to see us talking more and more about leaning those areas from a service line perspective where we feel like we'll get more stickiness. And those are also higher margin. And so we think there's just a lot more opportunity.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

The semiconductor space and the automotive space even, like any of these pharmaceutical, the key sub industry groups that we're working in within manufacturing and distribution, all have really good pathways. That's where we're spending our focus.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

I see. Okay, that's helpful. Also related to that, I just want to kind of dig into some comments you made on that segment. I mean, obviously, the M and D segment has been a very high margin, your highest annuity segment margin, frankly, for some time. But I think there's a comment there that you had on strategic pricing for new accounts.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

I was just wondering if that market is getting more competitive or if this is just a continuation of some of the comments that you've been making over the last few months, just recognizing that some of the customers in that segment have been they've been competitive already. I just wonder if there's is there an incremental change either way here for broader markets? Or what does that comment have to what is that what are you saying with that comment, I guess?

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

We have a couple of things that were particularly acute in this quarter. One is we're starting to invest in more sales assets. So we're investing in M and D. And you've been hearing us talk about this segment for a couple of years now or more. So we're putting some muscle behind it with sales assets.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

And then we did talk about the rebalancing last year of that client, a bigger client. And as part and parcel to that rebalancing, we had to tighten some of our pricing. So we think of it as strategic pricing because we do see a pathway back. So those were the couple of impediments. But I don't think that there's this massive overall trend towards margins going down in that business because of competitiveness.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Was just those couple of things that are affecting us. And again, especially as it comes to the salespeople, that's going to be an investment that will pay dividends over the next few years.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Even with a little margin pressure, not a bad result for the quarter on the margin profile certainly compared to the other stuff there. So I guess that makes a lot of sense. Okay. I'm going to sneak in another one. I know I was asked for one and then one follow-up.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

But if you don't mind, I wanted to ask about the $1,100,000,000 of awards that are obviously nicely up year over year. I was just hoping you could help us understand how much of those news. I mean, you quantified the 190 for the big box. And so it feels like there's a decent portion that's in the project business. But maybe Earl, could you help us understand how that total number breaks up between annuity business and project business and how each one of those compare year over year?

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Just the decomposition of that, I think would be helpful for us all to understand.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Yeah, mean, could take that one, Andy. I think there was nothing real monumental within that. That was a big shift. You pointed out the $190,000,000 which is a big chunk of that. But when you normalize for the $190,000,000 and look at that other call it $900,000,000 I would say it was pretty evenly paced across the board between the percentages of our normal business.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

So it was good across the line, which we're always encouraged by.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Thanks, Andy.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Faiza Alwy
Faiza Alwy
Managing Director, US Company Research at Deutsche Bank

Hi. Thank you. I wanted to ask about ATS and just where we are in terms of, you know, the project delays. You mentioned that there was a margin impact from the delays as well. So, give us a sense of when do you think what's driving the project delays at this point?

Faiza Alwy
Faiza Alwy
Managing Director, US Company Research at Deutsche Bank

When do you think things normalize? And how should we think about the normalized margin in this business going forward?

Earl Ellis
Earl Ellis
EVP and CFO at ABM Industries

Yeah, I'll start off with that. So if you look at the delays, part of them are just approvals, getting the customer approval for certain jobs. But again, natural, if you look at ATS, it naturally is a back half of the year, a lot of activities really start in the back half. So we expect you know, this timing shift that we actually saw in Q1 or Q2 to actually revert in the back half. When we look at the margins, again, we expect that margin to be very similar to what they have been in the past, which would be kind of like your, you know, 9% to 10% margins.

Faiza Alwy
Faiza Alwy
Managing Director, US Company Research at Deutsche Bank

Got it. Thank you. And then just wanted to ask about the education segment. Maybe give us some color on what you're seeing from the underlying market there concerns about higher education, just broadly from a macro perspective. And I think you might have, there might be more renewals that happen in the back half for new business.

Faiza Alwy
Faiza Alwy
Managing Director, US Company Research at Deutsche Bank

So give us a sense of what you're seeing from a new business perspective and then how you're thinking about the underlying market there.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Sure. So it's pretty normalized in the education. We have some good growth. We have a really good pipeline going. And interesting you bring up renewals.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

We've been having a very strong year this year in terms of renewals. And I guess what we're encouraged by Pfizer is that there's a fair number of our clients that are investing into their facilities. You go to some of these campuses and you see cranes everywhere and buildings. So we're seeing some good tailwinds in the industry. But as you know, education is not a double digit grower for us.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

It's a GDP grower. It's really steady, great cash flow. And we have a tremendous team that, are working really hard as we shift towards bigger contracts and contracts under what we call our APS offering, which is the integrated offering where rather than just doing a single service, we try to bundle services. And in '24 and even at the start of '25, we're getting a lot of traction in that bundled offering because it provides so much more value when you can go to the facility manager and say, look, we can kind of handle all your needs and the majority will self perform, but we could also subcontract stuff on your behalf as well. So that's been going okay.

Faiza Alwy
Faiza Alwy
Managing Director, US Company Research at Deutsche Bank

All right, great. Thank you.

Operator

Our next questions are from the line of Jasper Bibb with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Jasper Bibb
Jasper Bibb
Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities

Hey, good morning, guys. Maybe following up on an earlier question, total organic revenue growth for the quarter was 4%. And I think you topped a working day in there too. So you think mid single digit organic growth is possible in the second half? Or how should we think about the trend there? Thanks.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

We don't we obviously don't we don't guide towards revenue growth. But I think we should all be focused on, at least we are internally, is that every one of our industry groups now is back to organic growth. And we could have easily been sitting here thinking that M and D and B and I were still not in that territory. And so we're enthusiastic about that. But in terms of projecting revenue growth, it's just hard to tell right now.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

It's just the trends in each of the industry groups are solid.

Jasper Bibb
Jasper Bibb
Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities

Fair enough. And then, hoping you can maybe give us a bit more detail on the battery energy storage contract win. Can you maybe frame for us how big that business is within ATS today or what you're seeing in the pipeline for that service offering?

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Yes. So I mentioned in the prepared remarks, have $700,000,000 backlog, which is our highest we've ever had. It's a historic high in terms of backlog. And we're still on a good pace. We're a little nervous at the start of the tariff discussion as to what that will mean.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

And I think we had mentioned in prior calls that not a tremendous amount of the gear that we buy is produced overseas. But there is a portion of it and it could affect the economics of a project. But so far, we've still been seeing green lights from our clients to move forward on these projects. The only caution we have is there's a provision in the new budget bill to repeal some of the tax credits on energy projects. We still don't believe that it will affect the feasibility of these projects because they're such high margin.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

But that being said, it's still something out there that we're monitoring and watching closely. But the microgrid business is just doing really well for us.

Jasper Bibb
Jasper Bibb
Vice President Equity Research at Truist Securities

Understood. Thanks for taking the questions, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Josh Chan with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Josh Chan
Josh Chan
Executive Director - Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group

Hi. Good morning, Scott, Earl and Paul. I guess on your ATS margins this quarter, of the roughly 300 basis points headwind you saw, was the bigger impact from the project delays or was mix the bigger headwind? And I guess related to that, when you say the project delays are going to be recouped in the third quarter, that kind of already happened in May?

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Yes. So let me go back to the margin question. So part of it was the project delays. And part of it is just the mix in business. So the way you may want to think about these big microgrid or energy projects is that there's and I'm really going high level here because there's certainly more than two phases.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

But I would ask you to look at it in two phases. One is the design and the engineering of the job. These are highly sophisticated engineered projects. So there's the design and the engineering, and then there's the actual execution in the field. So the design and the engineering portion is the higher profit side of it.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

There's less bodies. There's people in the office doing the drawings. And as you're building, you're recouping a higher margin. Once you get into the field and there's actually bodies out there working, the margin piece is a little lower. So if we look at year over year, last year, we had a fair amount of engineering and design work.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

And we had a higher margin. Whereas this quarter, it just so happens that there was more work at this quarter happening in the field, which is the execution piece of it. So we had a little pressure there. So nothing systemic, nothing even that interesting, frankly. It was just timing within a project, right?

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

So that's why you saw a little bit of a pressure. And then we have seen some uptick in May and we think it's going to continue throughout the year in terms of these projects. I think we stated we think ATS is going to have a very strong year this year.

Josh Chan
Josh Chan
Executive Director - Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group

Yeah, thanks for that color there, Scott. Maybe switching to B and I, could you talk about how you are positioned to win these prime office markets? I assume those markets are where everybody wants to go after. So could you talk about your ability to win there and whether ABM can gain share in that market going forward?

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Yeah. I mean, it's like not only are we positioned to win, we really have been winning. And I think so much of it has to do with our execution ability, our relationships, and our resume. And that means a lot. Let's use New York City as an example.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

If you're pitching a headquarters building for a financial services company in New York City and you're going to look at ABM, you're going to say, well, wait a second. They already do nine of the other 10. So there's comfort from a client standpoint that we understand how to work in that segment. There's great comfort from a client because they say, oh, you know what? If I want to find out what's happening in some of the other financial services companies in terms of how they're building their trading floors, how they're thinking about conference rooms.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

I know I can go to ABM because they have such a big book of business. So I think between our scale, the client base and our ability to execute and lastly, the investments we're making in technology, it's really separating us from the competition. So I think that's why we've gotten a greater share of the market than our competitors.

Josh Chan
Josh Chan
Executive Director - Equity Research Analyst at UBS Group

That's great. Thank you for the color and thanks for the time.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Sure.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Mark Riddick with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Marc Riddick
Business Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Good morning, Mark.

Marc Riddick
Business Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

So a lot of my questions have already been been covered, but I did wanna circle back around to the cash cash usage prioritization, maybe give a bit of an update maybe what you're thinking there as well as if you could maybe give some thoughts or views as to potential acquisition pipeline, maybe what you're seeing valuation wise and since as far as levels of attractiveness currently? Thanks.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Yeah, so for us, we always prioritize internal investments and growing our ability to be organic. But the pipeline on M and A is looking real good. We seem to be seeing a little turnaround in companies coming to market, private equity companies looking to monetize some of their portfolio companies. So probably seeing as big of a pipeline for M and A as we've seen in the last couple of years. And there's some interesting things out there that are really going to help us to differentiate in some of the industry groups, really consistent with some of the remarks that we've been talking about even with the Q and A and how you go deeper in places like M and D and start doing things that create more strategic value for our clients and make us stickier.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

So, you'll see us have a focus on M and A for sure.

Marc Riddick
Business Services Analyst at Sidoti & Company, LLC

And then shifting over with BNI, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about if you're seeing much in the way of regional differentiation of, activity levels? Thanks.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

I mean, yeah, I mean, sure, Mark, we have like, you know, and it's what's interesting, it's it could even be within one market. Like you look at LA, and there's Century City, which is booming. And then there's Downtown LA, which is really, really lagging. So we some differences regionally. A lot of it has to do with back to office.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

I could tell you we're encouraged with what's going on in San Francisco, with the investments in AI. San Francisco starting to come back, which it was a city that maybe eighteen months ago, a lot of folks had written off. Right? So, the Midwest is strong and New York City is absolutely booming. Good luck walking on the streets lunchtime and not bumping into people.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

So, we're encouraged by that market as well. And then, we see that, down in The Carolinas, there's being more investment now with AI and data centers. So that's starting to boom. So there's real, real pockets of growth out there.

Andrew Wittmann
Senior Research Analyst at Baird

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of the question and answer session. And I'll turn the call over to Scott Salmers for closing remarks.

Scott Salmirs
Scott Salmirs
President, CEO & Director at ABM Industries

Okay. Well, first, I just want to thank our team again for everything they're doing to allow us to post results like we just did in Q2. We're really happy with what we've been able to do, especially considering the macro environment and some of the uncertainty out there. And I just want to thank everybody on this call for listening, being interested, and look forward to seeing you again in Q3. Thanks, everybody.

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. Have a wonderful day.

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