Pool Q2 2025 Earnings Report

Pool EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $5.17
• Consensus EPS: $5.12
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.05
• One Year Ago EPS: $4.99

Pool Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $1.78 billion
• Expected Revenue: $1.79 billion
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$8.78 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +0.90%

Pool Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q2 2025
• Date: 7/24/2025
• Time: Before Market Opens
• Conference Call Date: Thursday, July 24, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 11:00AM ET

Pool (NASDAQ:POOL) distributes swimming pool supplies, equipment, and related leisure products in the United States and internationally. The company offers maintenance products, including chemicals, supplies, and pool accessories; repair and replacement parts for pool equipment, such as cleaners, filters, heaters, pumps, and lights; and building materials, such as concrete, plumbing and electrical components, functional and decorative pool surfaces, decking materials, tiles, hardscapes, and natural stones for pool installations and remodeling. It also provides pool equipment and components for new pool construction and the remodeling of existing pools; irrigation and related products, such as irrigation system components, and professional turf care equipment and supplies; commercial products, including heaters, safety equipment, commercial decking equipment, and commercial pumps and filters. In addition, the company offers fiberglass pools, and hot tubs and packaged pool kits comprising walls, liners, braces, and coping for in-ground and above-ground pools; and other pool construction and recreational products comprising discretionary recreational and related outdoor living products, such as grills and components for outdoor kitchens. It serves swimming pool remodelers and builders; specialty retailers that sell swimming pool supplies; swimming pool repair and service businesses; irrigation construction and landscape maintenance contractors; and commercial pool operators and pool contractors. Pool Corporation was incorporated in 1993 and is headquartered in Covington, Louisiana.

Pool Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Positive Sentiment: Strong Q2 performance with $1.8 billion in net sales (up 1%) and a maintained 30% gross margin despite challenging macroeconomic conditions.
• Positive Sentiment: Robust maintenance business, driven by private label chemicals and digital innovation, as POOL360 water-test transactions rose to 17% of net sales.
• Negative Sentiment: New pool construction remained a headwind, with permit data showing a high single-digit decline and larger renovations often split into phases to defer spending.
• Neutral Sentiment: Mixed regional trends as Florida/Arizona each grew 2% in Q2, while Texas/California saw a 23% drop in construction-related sales but resilient maintenance demand.
• Negative Sentiment: Full-year diluted EPS guidance was narrowed to $10.80–$11.30, reflecting expectations of modest H2 sales growth and no near-term interest rate cuts.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good day, and welcome to the Poole Corporation Second Quarter twenty twenty five Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press then 2.

[Operator]

Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Melanie Hart, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Thank you, and welcome to our second quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. Our discussion, comments, and responses to questions today may include forward looking statements, including management's outlook for 2025 and future periods. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. Information regarding the factors and variables that could cause actual results to differ from projected results are discussed in our 10 ks. In addition, we may make references to non GAAP financial measures in our comments.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

A description and reconciliation of our non GAAP financial measures included in our press release are posted to our corporate website in the Investor Relations section. We have included a presentation on our investor website to summarize key points from our press release and call comments. Peter Arvan, our President and CEO, will begin today's call with his comments.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Thank you, Melanie, and good morning, everyone. We were very pleased to see positive sales growth in the second quarter along with stable gross margins and steady operating margins versus the prior year. Given all the challenges affecting the broader economy and industry dynamics, I consider these results to be very solid. They are a testament to the team and reflect our ability to deliver outstanding value and exceptional service to our customers, further reinforcing Pool Corp's leadership position in the industry. The second quarter started off similar to how we exited the first quarter.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

We saw encouraging trends in most areas of the business through April and early May, Unfavorable weather conditions in certain markets through mid June tempered demand, but turned more favorable towards the end of the quarter, helping us post a modest sales gain. The macro uncertainty and constantly developing policy decisions combined with no signs of interest rate easing continued to pressure new pool construction and larger renovation projects. Despite this, our construction related sales fared better than the permit data would have suggested. As you all know, permit data indicates that new pool construction is down high single digit, but it's still too early to call the year. It is worth noting that the second quarter trends improved from the first quarter, but still represent a headwind on a year over year basis.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

The remodel activity we expect will be modestly better than the new construction activity for the balance of the year. The aging installed base necessitates certain remodel and renovation projects each year, creating ongoing demand. We believe that larger renovation projects in the most recent quarters have been split into phases, allowing consumers to reduce their spend per project or spread out the spend over a longer timeframe. For the second quarter results, we reported $1,800,000,000 in net sales, up 1%, reflecting our team's effort in executing on strategic areas of our business. Maintenance products performed well, including strong growth in our private label chemical products.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

On sales related to new construction and renovation activities, we saw improving trends during the quarter creating less of a drag on sales than in recent quarters. Tariff driven price increases had a modest impact on the quarter due to timing and was somewhat offset by deflation in our commodity categories. Regionally, we saw distinct trends across our four major U. S. Markets.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Florida and Arizona each delivered solid 2% sales growth for the quarter, outperforming national averages. In both states, ongoing population growth in migration and favorable weather patterns fueled continued demand across the maintenance, renovation and new construction categories. Our strong local presence, robust distribution network and targeted marketing initiatives have kept us top of mind with cool professionals, us to expand our customer base and capture additional market share. Additionally, franchise growth and emerging builder partnerships in these states further strengthens our positions for long term success. Texas and California continue to experience this challenge in new pool construction with sales down 23% respectively, reflecting macroeconomic headwinds and tempered consumer confidence.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

However, maintenance and aftermarket sales in these markets remained resilient, highlighting the value of our established installed base and trusted service partnerships. Our teams in Texas and California are focused on supporting remodel activity and enhancing customer support to ensure we are well positioned for recovery as local economies and construction activities rebound in the future. We remain confident that our disciplined investment and regionally tailored strategies will enable us to continue outperforming the broader market across all our core geographies. Additionally, we were encouraged by the sequential improvement in permit data for Texas as the quarter developed, although it is still negative. In Europe, net sales increased 2% for the quarter in local currency and 7% in U.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

S. Dollar. We saw sales growth in most European economies, particularly in the southern counties while or southern countries while France dealt with colder temperatures, but showed some improvement in June. We are encouraged that this trend for Europe continued into July. For Horizon, net sales declined 2% in the quarter.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Maintenance product sales were solid. However, weakness in larger development areas I'm sorry, larger development related construction projects muted those gains. Pricing for the most part has stabilized in the market and we are encouraged with the month to date July sales trends. Looking to our product sales mix, chemical sales grew 1% despite price deflation and weather headwinds in certain markets, highlighting the power of our brands and expanding offering for our customers. When combined with our POOL360 water test platform, it is a very strong chemical offering that will continue to take share as our brands grow.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Customer feedback is excellent and our confidence in this area and our entire retail support offering is strong. Building material sales declined 1%, a sequential improvement from what we saw in the first quarter and much of last year and better than the underlying trends would suggest. The results highlight the value of our NPT branded offering improving trend including improved trends in our proprietary pool finish and the effectiveness of our consumer facing showrooms and refreshed dealer showrooms that support our customers and enhance the pool owners' design experience. Equipment sales, which include cleaners, increased 1% during the quarter, reflecting modest price realization and stable replacement volumes mitigating the year over year decrease in new construction units. For context, the most recent price increase went into effect late in the quarter.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Looking at our end markets, our commercial sales increased 5% in the second quarter supported by the investments we have made in developing our commercial team, designating commercial warehouses and expanding start to finish project capabilities. Sales to our independent retail customers declined 3% in the quarter, showing a similar cadence during the quarter on what we saw in overall sales, but with greater headwinds weather headwinds on our DIY maintenance in May and early June, considering our retailers' heavy concentration in northern markets. We saw much improved retail sales in these markets in the June. For our Pinch a Penny franchise group, representing our franchisees' sales to their end customers, sales increased 1% for the quarter reflecting their best in class offering and customer experience while also noting their Sunbelt concentration with less weather headwinds this quarter. Now, let me comment on gross margin results.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

As you saw, the business posted a solid 30% gross margin for the quarter consistent with the same period last year. I'm pleased with our team's collective effort and focus in this critical area. We have seen historically downward cycles place additional pressure on winning business. And through collaborating with our supply chain teams and pricing specialists and making smart decisions on the ground, we've been able to maintain gross margins in line with prior year in a very challenging and dynamic environment. Melanie will cover this in more detail in her prepared remarks.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Our continued investment in digital innovation are paying off with Pool three sixty platform transactions now represent 17% of net sales, up from year, reflecting enthusiastic customer adoption and creating durable competitive advantages

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

net that are hard to replicate. We celebrated the opening of our four hundred and fiftieth branch during the quarter. Strategic openings in the market with higher pool densities continue to be the driver in further building out our footprint and positioning ourselves for further share expansion. We opened two new locations during the quarter and four year to date. Our Pinch a Penny franchise network added five new stores in the quarter, including the first new store in North Carolina and increasing the Pinch a Penny locations to three zero two franchised stores.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

As we move through the peak season, we expect sales in the back half of the year to be modestly up with a full year performance anticipated to be relatively flat. In the absence of an interest rate cut external catalyst, we are updating our diluted earnings per share guidance for the year to a range of $10.8 to $11.3 which includes a $0.10 realized benefit from the ASU year to date. We remain highly confident in the long term fundamentals of our industry with the demographic trends, desirability of at home leisure and continued need for maintenance and renovations supporting ongoing demand. We believe that when the macro backdrop improves and the housing turnover resumes, new pool construction and renovation activity will accelerate and Pool Corp. Will be uniquely positioned to capitalize on that growth.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Finally, I want to thank the entire Pool Corp. Team for dedication and adaptability. Your commitment want enables us to deliver exceptional value and reliability to our customers and partners and importantly drive success for our shareholders. We look forward to the opportunities ahead. I will now turn the call over to Melanie Hart, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for her detailed commentary.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Thank you, Pete, and good morning again everyone. We continue to see robust maintenance activity, benefiting from both volume and industry pricing. While new construction permits are improving in several key markets, we have not yet seen a consistently positive trend across all regions. We are closely monitoring these variations and remain prepared to capitalize on opportunities as they arise. Both the traditional pool season price increases implemented earlier in the year and the subsequent late April, early May price increases enacted by certain vendors to react to higher expected tariffs have passed through and have been accepted into the marketplace.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Although initially up for discussion, there was not a third wave of June price increase that impacted our costs to date. Pricing for the quarter benefited sales 2% to 3%, but continues to be offset by 1% related to chemical and commodity selling prices. Chemicals, specifically Tricor, are seeing selling prices less than what we saw in the second quarter of prior year. This pricing, although lower than last year, still represents a significant premium over 2020. We saw volume increases, in particular, in our private label chemical sales activity.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Negative comparisons from discretionary spend leveled out with just a 2% impact overall on the sales for the quarter. As Pete highlighted, our investments at our MPT showrooms continue to pay dividends in showcasing for our builder customers and homeowners the many options where our unique MPT branded tile, decking, and pool finished products are available to customize their backyard. Our resulting building material sales decrease of 1% is outpacing the market activity compared to permit trends. I'm very pleased to be reporting a positive comp sales quarter. We continue to showcase our ability to get pricing in the market, as a result of both our service levels and our focus on the aftermarket, resulting in a 1% sales benefit.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Impacts of discretionary spend in remodel and new pool construction were a 2% headwind, but again improving from a 3% impact in the first quarter. We were encouraged to see the positive results in Europe and better horizon trends. Gross margins of 30% for the quarter remained strong. We continued to see our internal initiatives related to supply chain improvements, private label growth and effective pricing, enabling us to maintain margins even with lower building material product sales and impacts from customer mix. We saw normalized second quarter seasonal margin benefit.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

We reported a 1% increase in operating expenses for the second quarter. Through our earnings release date, we have now opened eight new locations since the same time last year, contributing around 1% to the expense increase with our disciplined operations offsetting other cost increase drivers. Our volume related expenses for both compensation and freight remained very well managed. During the quarter, we were able to maintain expenses as a percentage of revenue of 14.7%. We realized operating income of $273,000,000 an improvement compared to $271,000,000 in prior year.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Interest expense of $12,200,000 represented a reduction of $1,800,000 Altogether generated diluted earnings per share of $5.17 compared to $4.99 which is up four percent from second quarter of last year. Summarizing our second quarter results, we are pleased with the positive signs related to discretionary spend in the pool and outdoor living space, and our ability to utilize our technology tools to grow our private label chemical sales, while leveraging our network to generate positive income over prior year. Moving on to our balance sheet. We finished the quarter with inventory balances of $1,300,000,000 which is up 3% from the prior year. This increase includes new product offerings and supply chain actions to stock our network locations for the season.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

We expect that our inventory patterns for the rest of the year would follow a typical seasonal pattern with balances drawn down through the third quarter, which will position us to evaluate our needs for the 2026 season during the fall and winter early buy offering. Inventory days on hand improved one point five days from prior year second quarter. Our 1.47 leverage ratio remains at the lower end of our targeted leverage range. In early July, we amended and extended our term loan facility to increase capacity, lengthen the maturity, and obtain more favorable borrowing terms. Cash flow for the quarter remains in line with our annual expectation of achieving 90% to 100% of net income and cash flow from operations, weighted more heavily to the second half of the year from a cash generation standpoint.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Consistent with first quarter twenty twenty five, we increased the pace at which we have completed share repurchases, purchasing $104,000,000 during the quarter, an increase of $36,000,000 over prior year second quarter. Year to date, we have exceeded prior year repurchases by $76,000,000 and have $516,000,000 remaining under our share repurchase authorization. As we look out over the second half of the year, on our first quarter call, we referenced an expected future dated June equipment cost increase. With the changing tariff landscape, we do not actually see an increase in cost with a June effective date. However, there were some additional vendors over the initial group of 20 that did push through May effective price increases.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Sales for the full year now are expected to be relatively flat with last year, reflecting some pricing benefit from the AprilMay price increases, but no significant change in discretionary spending from current levels for the rest of the year. Although trends have improved throughout the year, based on the activity to date, we do not anticipate a pace that would provide a significant benefit to 2025. Gross margin rate is also expected to be in line with the prior year full year, which would represent an improvement after considering the nonrecurring positive import tax included in 2024. Execution on realization of tariff driven price increases and supply chain improvements are net positives that are offsetting any impact from product and customer mix. As you have come to expect from us, SG and A expenses will continue to reflect productivity to offset inflationary increases and be adjusted real time based on actual volumes at each sales center location.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

The year over year increases in the back half are expected to be higher than the current quarter, likely ranging from a 2% to 3% increase for the full year, an improvement from the 3% previously estimated, and will include the cost spent on the new sales centers we will open this year. We do not have any significant changes to our expectations regarding interest expense and our estimated tax rate. We have included those ranges, along with our forecasted share count, as part of our quarterly earnings presentation posted to the website. The update on our interest expense range to be $46,000,000 to $47,000,000 includes the incremental share repurchases we have done year to date. Having completed our largest quarter of the year, we have updated our expected diluted EPS range to $10.8 to $11.3 including the $0.10 ASU tax benefit recognized year to date.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

We continue to focus on running a strong business through this period of higher interest rates and reduced consumer spending. Our actions on sales that support market share gains and on our gross margins holding up in a slower demand environment suggest strong fundamentals that will support the business when discretionary growth returns. Our capital allocation, expense management, and strategic actions remain focused on long term profitability. Thanks everyone for listening in on today's call. We will now begin our Q and A session.

[Operator]

We will now begin the question and answer session. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press then 2. Please limit yourself to asking only one question and one follow-up question. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Susan Maklari with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

[Susan Maklari, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Good morning, Susan.

[Susan Maklari, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Good morning, Pete. My first question is, I want to get a better sense of how you're thinking about the full year. Appreciating Melanie's comments around some of the dynamics with tariffs and pricing and the implications that that will have. But when you think about some of the momentum that you're seeing around some of the company specific initiatives, How should we think about what that will add to the year, especially given the strength you saw in the second quarter relative to some of those incremental headwinds that may come through as you consider some of the moves in the operating environment and tariffs?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes. Good question, Susan. I think the business is performing well with a lot of uncertainty in the market. I think one of the shining stars is the fact that the maintenance and repair business of the growing installed base is still very resilient. So, that's good.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

People still love their pools, people have to repair their pools, that is continuing as we talked about. I would say that the renovation business is different than it was a few years ago. As I mentioned in my comments, we feel like many of the larger renovation projects are being broken up into phases to make them more digestible. And I think that trend is going to continue for balance of the year as long as there's no interest rate relief. Believe that in the on the construction side, the larger builders are the ones that are winning in this environment and more specifically, it's larger builders in the highly desirable areas, right.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So, southern cities that are still doing well. So, you know, from where we are spending our time and effort, you know, we've invested in the NPT centers in the areas where we do see new pool construction growing. We have refreshed our product offering there. We have invested, as you know, with developing our private label chemical brands and are we're seeing great traction in those areas. And again, that just ties into the maintenance business and making sure that we are the preferred brand.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Our technology is getting good reviews and we're seeing a nice increase in adoption. And for context, remember, we never said that it was going to rocket straight up. We're looking for consistent progressive growth in our the adoption of our tools and we are certainly seeing that. The feedback on the tools has been good. We continue to invest in those tools to improve the overall customer experience.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

I think that's what's driving further adoption. And I guess lastly, we continue to open locations in areas that we see continued growth both short term and long term. We look at markets like Texas, for instance, and in our commentary, we said that construction in Texas has been under pressure or is down. But our view on that is that that's really tied to the greater Texas housing market, which appears to be a little bit overbuilt. Existing inventory continues to climb.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So I think this is a short term problem for Texas. But long term, we believe Texas is a great pool market for us now and in the future it will be too. So we continue to invest in those markets. So some of our investments are paying off short term. Certainly our focus on capacity expansion, our capacity creation and our focus on customer experience, which is allowing us to win at the dealer level.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

I think making sure that our value proposition for the customer is unmatched is helping us win at the dealer level. I think our demand creation activities from a marketing perspective, again, are helping us win at the dealer level. So I think the company is given the current environment and where we have where we've placed our investments as those that I've mentioned and perhaps the investments that we've made in improving our supply chain team and investments in our commercial team, those are all highlighted in our results and are helping drive Pool Corp.

[Susan Maklari, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Okay. That's great color. And then maybe following up, when you do think about the pricing that has been passed through to the market this year relative to some of those headwinds that you mentioned around some of the consumers breaking down renovation projects and those types of things. How are thinking about the elasticity of demand in the industry? Do you think that some of your suppliers are thinking more about price versus volume as they consider the outlook for the macro and how maybe they'll be approaching that going forward?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

I think it falls into two categories, Susan. I think that a portion of our sales of all products are discretionary and a portion of them are nondiscretionary. So I think as it relates to price and price going up on equipment, I would tell you that if it's a if your pump has failed, whether your pump is 10% more or 5% more or 2% more than it was last year, I really think it's irrelevant. You to replace the pump. I would tell you that we do see our dealers are reporting that some consumers are opting to fix pumps and repair pumps.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So if we look at our parts sales, for instance, parts sales are outpacing total sales growth in almost every market. So I think that there are some trade offs being made with, well, can I fix it versus replace it? So I think in non discretionary areas, I don't really think the pricing is having an impact on whether it gets repaired or replaced, although sometimes people are opting to have it replaced if the repair cost is too high. I also think that there's some things on a pool pad for instance, whether you're talking about if the heater is bad and it's June, something like that can be deferred to later in the year when you need the heater. So again, that would fall into the discretionary area and certainly new construction is discretionary.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

But when I look at the price of material as it relates to new pool construction, so even if the pad is up 5%, 6%, 10% depending on what have, given that you're talking about a $31,000 line item in a project, average pools now are 85,000 to $90,000 If the pool pad was $1,000 more or $1,000 less, I don't know that that causes a consumer to opt in or opt out as a result of that. So I think the it's a long answer to your question, but I think it really depends on the circumstance and how the consumers are navigating that.

[Susan Maklari, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs]

Yes. Okay. That's all very helpful color. Thank you and good luck with the quarter.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Ryan Merkel with William Blair. Please go ahead.

[Ryan Merkel, Co-Group Head–Industrials at William Blair & Company, L.L.C]

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Pete, just a first question on the outlook. The bottom line why you lowered EPS guidance for the year? Is it that the first half was just a little bit below Or is it something else?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

No, it's really I think the first half, we had anticipated that there would be some interest rate cuts, which didn't happen in the first half. And at this point, I have my doubts whether they happen in the second half at all. And if they do, whether in time to really kind of impact demand in the second half. So we just the adjustment was it was relatively minor that we made. I think that the maintenance business is good.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

The installed base is in great shape, whether at this part of the season, could see the weather maps just like I have. It's very hot and that's good for our business. But I think it's really looking at the outlook on new pool construction and saying without an interest rate cut that will address the greater housing market, I think it would be tough to say that we believe that new pool construction is going to rebound this year. And if without new pool construction rebounding, even with a little bit of price working its way into the industry, those two things are going to offset.

[Ryan Merkel, Co-Group Head–Industrials at William Blair & Company, L.L.C]

Yes. I agree with that. Okay. That's helpful. And then my second question on gross margin.

[Ryan Merkel, Co-Group Head–Industrials at William Blair & Company, L.L.C]

I was happy to see the 2Q and even the first half results pretty good in a tough market. I guess my question is on the first quarter call, you talked about more price competition. Has this abated as you've gotten to the kind of meat of the season?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes. If you remember, we talked about it. We said it's always more pronounced in the first quarter because of the timing of early buy payments and it's a smaller quarter. So from our perspective at this point I don't really see anything new going on in that area. So I mean we still we called out in our commentary we still have seen some deflation on some of the chemicals.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

But by and large, I would say, I would classify, you know, competitive activity as nothing out of the norm.

[Ryan Merkel, Co-Group Head–Industrials at William Blair & Company, L.L.C]

Got it. All right. Thanks. Pass it on.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from David Manthey with Baird. Please go ahead.

[David Manthey, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Pete, just to follow on your comment on rates. I'm just wondering, are you referring to a cut in the Fed funds rate somehow impacting mortgage rates and the housing market in general? And then second, as it relates to that the monthly payment buyer down here in Tampa, Florida, the minimum you pay for a pool is 60 ks, which is higher than the industry average was back in 2021. So I'm wondering, given the pool content and general inflation we're seeing, is there even an interest rate that pulls that monthly payment buyer back in? So two part question on rates.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

I think there's a couple of things, Dave. I think the interest rate is has to do with housing turnover, right? Not so there's people that are in their home, I'm not moving, but I need to borrow money to buy the home, at the elevated rate, good news is my home equity is high, bad news is the access at home equity is very expensive. But I think if the Fed cuts rates and that works its way through the lending community all the way through mortgages for the family that isn't moving, it will have some impact on them, although I don't know that it would be it would be a tremendous amount as you mentioned. I do think the bigger impact is housing turnover, because we see a lot of activity as it relates to housing turnover and I think there's people sitting on a lot of equity in their homes that if they could access that as part of a house transaction, if you will, to move to that bigger forever house where they want to build a house, I think that's where we'll see it.

[David Manthey, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Got it. Okay. And then to follow on to Ryan's question, as it relates to the outlook. In the past, I know you've said that once you sort of get past the midpoint of the third quarter and into the fourth quarter, the discretionary portion of your sales can have a greater impact on the overall. But as we look at the report here, you said that you saw an upturn at the June.

[David Manthey, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

You were encouraged by July trends and yet the guidance went lower. I'm just is it the expectation for second half growth in new and R and R, what's lower today versus ninety days ago? Or was there something else in there?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes, I think it's I think that's exactly right, Dave. It's the expectation on new. I don't really see any improvement, material improvement, if you will, in permit data that would suggest the back half of the year that new construction and large rental projects are going to increase. So I think we're looking at, okay, here's the trends we had for the first six months of the year. And those don't really look like they are they're changing all that much on month over month basis.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

But the rest of the business, the maintenance portion of the business is doing quite well. So I just don't see enough. I don't see enough in the near term to suggest that new pool construction is going to improve materially. So that's why we made the small adjustment.

[David Manthey, Senior Research Analyst at Baird]

Makes sense. Thank you, Pete.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Trey Grooms with Stephens. Please go ahead.

[Trey Grooms, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Hey, good morning. Pete, could you talk about any inventory benefits to the margin in the second quarter? You have supply chain as a benefit in the bridge there, but any more color around that? And then also, as you kind of think about the puts and takes on the gross margin for the balance of the year. You repeat or Melanie, sorry.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Yeah, so as it relates to the current quarter, the supply chain benefits are made up of a combination of multiple things that we're working on from a process standpoint and initiatives that we're doing. So, you know, we're continuing the throughput that we're getting from our CSLs that help to lower our overall product cost. We're actually continuing some improvements as well on our freight activity there. So, those are helping our product cost. When we look at the incremental margins that we're getting on our private label products, those are also helping us.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

And then we did get, you know, some minor benefit, which would be a little bit more pronounced as we move forward for the rest of the year from the price increases that went into effect late in the quarter. So, as we look out for the balance of the year, we'll see a little bit of margin benefit from some of those incremental prices in third and fourth quarter. And then we'll also see a little bit of improvement from the year over year change in the building materials as that started to moderate when you compare it to prior years.

[Trey Grooms, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Got it. Okay. All right. That's helpful. Thank you.

[Trey Grooms, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

And just to kind of circle back on discretionary piece, it sounded like in the press release that there was some improving trends in discretionary. There was some mention of maybe some year over year, know, a year over year increase there. But is it, and I think from some of the slides, implies that volume, I believe, is the way to think about it, is volume is still down there, but you're getting some benefit from pricing that's maybe slightly more than offsetting that. Is that the right way to kind of bridge that commentary around discretionary?

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Yeah, so the improving trend was is really more sequential versus, you know, we're not seeing any net positive on the trends on building materials. But even when you look at permits, they're moderating from a decline year over year, so they are improving throughout the year. And then our actual building materials sales activity is showing much better results than that. So, when you looked at building materials specifically, we were down about 5% quarter over quarter in the first quarter, and that improved to 1% in the second quarter. The pricing impact on building materials is not significant, so they just saw kind of more normalized 1% to 2% as it relates to inflationary pricing benefits.

[Trey Grooms, Managing Director at Stephens Inc]

Okay. Got it. Thanks for helping clear that up and good luck. Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Andrew Carter with Stifel. Please go ahead.

[W. Andrew Carter, Vice President at Stifel Financial Corp]

Hey, thank you. Good morning. What I wanted to ask is just stepping back on the questions around new construction. You've talked about the rates on one side and the hope of kind of lower rates to get existing home sales moving. But I guess with where we are now with dealer capacity and obviously the dealer profit pool, I would argue is likely meaningfully expanded from 2019.

[W. Andrew Carter, Vice President at Stifel Financial Corp]

Do you think they will actually turn their attention to try to grow volumes that's kind of supportive of the mid of kind of the mid to high single digit for your algorithm? Or better said, I guess just step back from all of do you think mid single digit to high single digit construction is still possible with where pull costs are and where dealer capacity is today? Thanks.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Very interesting question and I would say the answer is the answer is I think it really depends on the dealer. I think we have some dealers that are trying to find a way to make the price of a pool more affordable. At the same time, if you survey the dealers, they would tell you that their SG and A, their operating costs, labor costs, insurance, taxes, fuel, everything is also up. So I think there is a I think there's there are some folks that are looking at it differently. There are some folks that say, like some of our dealers Andrew are actually doing quite well.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So like the folks again that concentrate at the high end, that business as we've said, you know, it sounds like we repeated every call, but that business is good, was good and the outlook is still strong. It's really at the lower end and I don't know that you'll see a material drop in the in the basic cost of a pool. What I what I will say is, keep in mind that the average price of a pool has come up as much from mix as anything else. I mean, as Dave mentioned, the basic price for a small pool is in Florida is still around $60,000 In other parts of the country, you can get an entry level pool for that or a little bit less. The average is pulled up because of the current mix.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

And the reason for that is more about financing the associated financing cost at the lower end where they're much more highly leveraged versus the cash buyer at the upper end.

[W. Andrew Carter, Vice President at Stifel Financial Corp]

Thanks for that. Second question I would ask, with all the kind of tariffs kind of impact to supply chains and second order effect, have you seen anywhere out there where there's any tightness on products? And I know you're domestic, maybe tightness that would hit the lower end guys and might as well while I'm on the topic. Anything on the labor front that you've seen out there, obviously from your contractors, customers, but anything you would obviously that would be second order to you guys? Thanks.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes, was we talked to our dealers, we don't get the sense that there is a labor problem. I think everybody has enough labor to do the work that there is today. As far as your other question on second order effect on tariffs, I'm not quite sure I understand that. Maybe you could expand a little bit so I make sure I answer the right question.

[W. Andrew Carter, Vice President at Stifel Financial Corp]

Yeah, I apologize. I meant more on the any kind of product shortage you're seeing. I know that you source domestically, but just the supply chain whips and saws if that's if that hits you at all?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes, nothing out of the ordinary. In any given year, there'll be an issue with something, but there's nothing that we can point to that says that, hey, there's a shortage of this material or that material that's affecting everybody. I would say supply chains are generally in very good shape.

[W. Andrew Carter, Vice President at Stifel Financial Corp]

Thanks, Beth, John.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Scott Schenberger with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

[Scott Schneeberger, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

Thanks very much. I'm curious, you guys mentioned in inventory, it's a little bit higher year over year. You mentioned ensuring customers have good access. But the first list was expanding product offering. I'm just curious if there's anything we should read into there.

[Scott Schneeberger, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

If you could elaborate on what that is? And then I'll have a follow-up. Thanks.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes. There's really nothing read into that. Every year manufacturers introduce new products into the market and we have to make sure that we have those products available for sale as the sales development efforts are underway. So nothing really to read into that. And what I would also say is not we have really no concern on our end as to the inventory balances.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

We're actually very, very good at managing inventory. So we'll be exactly where we need to be at year end.

[Scott Schneeberger, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

All right, thanks for your, and then as a follow-up, guess Melanie, probably more for you, recent passage of the one big beautiful bill, is it might that have a favorable impact on your cash flow? Have you assessed where that might impact you is primary question and then I guess maybe either one of you, do you think it could have a derivative impact on your consumers and could you possibly see it as soon as this year potentially perception of tax benefit individually assisting in discretionary spending? Thanks.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Yeah, so from the company standpoint, our tax team has done a very detailed analysis, and now you're prepping me for my answer to the board next week. But we see it as some slight benefits. You know, there's a couple of things on the international side that really won't have a material impact on our tax rate overall, but you know, the biggest thing that we expect to see as a benefit is the change in the accelerated depreciation. So that will for us be a positive as it relates to the cash flows on the tax side. On the homeowners, I don't know that that we'll be able to see any type of quick reaction on that.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Most people, I would suspect, are still kind of digesting the impacts and, and, you know, we really haven't seen any significant changes in consumer confidence or, you know, spending, of discretionary income at this point.

[Scott Schneeberger, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.]

Thank you very much.

[Operator]

The next question comes from Sam Reed with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

[Sam Reid, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Awesome. Thanks so much.

[Sam Reid, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

I wanted to touch on chemicals and dig deeper on pricing. So it sounds like the price backdrop in chems is still negative, just based on the commentary. But it also sounds like you're not seeing a change or a deterioration, I should say, in the competitive backdrop. So if things are not getting more competitive, guess the question is kind of why is pricing still negative here?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Sam, that's a really good question. As we look at the market, there is there isn't a macro backdrop that says that, you know, there should be that we should see deflation on chems. We're in the heat of the season, demand is demand is good. I think what I would tell you here's the way I would characterize it is there was pressure earlier in the year. Now there is things really haven't changed.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So I don't think things are getting any worse. I think from a chemical perspective, prices are not much different than we saw earlier in the year. But I can't give you a scenario that says, hey, I think there's a backdrop that's going to lead to a decline a further decline in chemical pricing. No, that's helpful, Peter. I appreciate it. And then

[Sam Reid, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

maybe just touching on Q2 sales in the context of some of the tariff noise during the quarter. Just want to maybe put a finer point. Any of your customers, as best you can tell, pull forward demand ahead of tariffs? If there was any demand pull forward, what would be the implications on Q3 in that scenario? Just any help on that would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yep. No, I can't tell you that we really saw any material pull forward. Remember, so much of our business is pickup business every day. 70% of our business takes place at the counter. Our transactions, if you will, take place at the counter and pickup.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So I don't know that anybody we didn't see any material change in buying patterns. So I don't expect there to be a whipsaw into third or fourth quarter as a result of that. We would characterize buying patterns as normal for in season.

[Sam Reid, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

That's really helpful. Thanks so much. I'll pass it on. Thanks.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Garik Shmois with Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

[Garik Shmois, Managing Director at Loop Capital Markets LLC]

Hi, thanks. First, just hoping you can review the gross margin bridge in a little bit more detail for the back half of the year just as far as the puts and takes go with respect to the supply chain, the pricing, the mix that you outlined in the slide deck. And just wondering, you know, which of these categories are getting more favorable to get to gross margin growth in the second half?

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Yep, so as we look at the second half, we'll see pricing will be a little bit more favorable and we would expect that product mix, although would still be a negative year over year when you're looking at individual quarters, it's trending more positive, so it'll be a little bit less negative on the product mix side.

[Garik Shmois, Managing Director at Loop Capital Markets LLC]

Okay, that's helpful. Smaller part of your business, but the improvement in Europe was notable. Wondering how much of that is an improvement in the underlying market or I know the continent had a bit of a heat wave, especially in June. I was wondering if maybe that was a big driver of the growth there.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yeah. I think that, as I mentioned, it's really if I look at Europe, obviously our largest market in Europe is France. France had France didn't help a lot. So France was down slightly for the quarter, even though Europe, the more southern countries in Europe are the ones that were leading the charge. I would tell you that I think the weather is good and it appears that there's a little more stability over there.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So I was over there last quarter and I came away more encouraged at the outlook for Europe, which has been a they've been in a tough spot for a few years. But the team appears to be more optimistic and we're seeing it on the sales line. So we're encouraged.

[Garik Shmois, Managing Director at Loop Capital Markets LLC]

Okay. Very good. Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Colin Vern with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

[Collin Verron, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. In your prepared remarks, you provided some high level commentary. But can you just provide any more color or put some numbers around how demand trended by month and how things are tracking thus far in July? Just trying to understand if underlying demand excluding some of those weather impacts accelerated throughout the quarter and as the exited June and if volumes could inflect positively at some point in 2025 just with the discretionary end market decline shrinking?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes, I think we attempted to kind of frame that up as follows. Early in the quarter, the markets, April and May were stronger than the June. June is the biggest month of the year is always going to be, excuse me, May or June. So in the June, we saw a bit of a I wouldn't characterize it as a huge slowdown, but it wasn't as positive as it was earlier in the quarter for a couple of weeks. And then on the back half of June, things picked up again.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

And I would say that those trends have carried out into July. So we are encouraged at the near term outlook.

[Collin Verron, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Okay, understood. And then just on the pricing dynamics, I understand that one of the manufacturers walked back some of a second price increase here, but I think another large manufacturer is out publicly saying that they might be looking to take further price in the market later this year. So can you just talk about what you're seeing and hearing maybe about second half price increases from suppliers and what's baked into your guidance currently?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes. I don't think we're going to see any increases aside from the normal increase that the manufacturers are going to put in at the end of the year. There was some contemplation about another in season increase prior to the pre buy or early buy pricing for next year that seemed to have abated. But now we're looking at we're starting to receive increases, increase letters for the upcoming season. They'll take effect depending on the manufacturer sometime either in September or October.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

And those are contemplated in our guidance, what we know of now.

[Collin Verron, Director at Deutsche Bank]

Great. Thank you for the color.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from Sean Kalman with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Shaun Calnan, Equity Research Associate at Bank of America]

Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my question. Just first on the 2% to 3% net price you realized outside of commodities, it looks like the manufacturers were realizing like more mid single digits. So can you just break out what's included in commodities versus that other 2% to 3% bucket? Is that just equipment and you guys are kind of getting squeezed a little on price there?

[Shaun Calnan, Equity Research Associate at Bank of America]

Or are there other things we should be thinking about that are included?

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

Yeah, the main difference between what we're realizing from a price increase versus the equipment is that only 30% of our product mix overall is equipment. So, when you're looking at the higher price realization that the equipment manufacturers are getting, that's only on a portion of our business. So things such as the building materials, those are seeing much more normal increases, one to 2%. And so, you know, really the difference there is going to be product mix overall. As it relates to the commodities, what we have grouped in there is generally going to be chemicals, plumbing, and rebar.

[Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer at Pool Corp]

And to some extent, there is a little bit of decking material as well, some of our decking building materials.

[Shaun Calnan, Equity Research Associate at Bank of America]

Okay, great. And then the private label chemicals continue to show good results despite what kind of seemed like a tough backdrop for chemicals for the industry. Can you talk about what's driving that growth? And then where private label sales are as a percentage of total chemical sales today versus the last couple of years?

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

Yes. I would say what's driving the growth is we have a great portfolio of brands for the chemical space. So we last year refreshed all of the brands, we completed the lines, we added the POOL360 water test software. And decisions to change brands on chemicals are not short cycle decisions that the large retailers and our some of our other dealers make. So, they it takes time for them to decide whether they're going to change and when to gain confidence.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

So, we know we have a good product, we know that we have really, you know, kind of best in class, a complete value proposition for chemicals, whether it's the Pool three sixty water test, the consumer apps for the water test, and how those all work together. So we think that we have a good product. We think we have a great value proposition for the customer. And we think in time or as time goes on, that will continue to grow, especially when you couple that with the rest of the things that we do for our dealers.

[Sam Reid, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Great. Thank you.

[Operator]

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Arvin, President and Chief Executive Officer, for any closing remarks.

[Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer at Pool Corp]

I just want to thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to our next call, which is on October 23 when we will review our third quarter twenty twenty five results. Enjoy the remainder of your summer and have a great day.

[Operator]

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Melanie Hart, SVP, CFO & Treasurer
• Peter Arvan, President and Chief Executive Officer

Analysts

• Susan Maklari, Senior Equity Research Analyst at Goldman Sachs
• Ryan Merkel, Co-Group Head–Industrials at William Blair & Company, L.L.C
• David Manthey, Senior Research Analyst at Baird
• Trey Grooms, Managing Director at Stephens Inc
• W. Andrew Carter, Vice President at Stifel Financial Corp
• Scott Schneeberger, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. Inc.
• Sam Reid, Analyst at Wells Fargo
• Garik Shmois, Managing Director at Loop Capital Markets LLC
• Collin Verron, Director at Deutsche Bank
• Shaun Calnan, Equity Research Associate at Bank of America