Palmer Square Capital BDC Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: PSBD reported solid second-quarter performance with $31.7 million of total investment income, $13.8 million of net investment income, and $0.43 per share of NII, while paying a $0.42 per share dividend that included a $0.06 supplemental distribution.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Portfolio credit quality remained resilient, with non-accruals declining during the quarter and the remaining non-accrual representing just 0.19% of the portfolio at fair value.
  • Neutral Sentiment: The company remained active in capital deployment, investing $92.4 million in Q2 across 23 new commitments while realizing $133.3 million through repayments and sales.
  • Positive Sentiment: Management highlighted attractive portfolio positioning and yield, noting the portfolio was 96% senior secured with a 10.10% weighted average yield to maturity at fair value, and that PSBD’s shares were yielding 12.12% as of July 31.
  • Neutral Sentiment: Leverage and liquidity stayed manageable, with debt-to-equity at 1.51x and available liquidity rising to about $253.5 million, while the board also declared a third-quarter base dividend of $0.36 per share.
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Palmer Square Capital BDC Q2 2025
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Operator

Welcome to Palmer Square Capital BDC's second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the prepared remarks. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Jeremy Goff, managing director. You may begin.

Jeremy Goff
Jeremy Goff
Managing Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Welcome to Palmer Square Capital BDC's second quarter 2025 earnings call. Joining me this afternoon are Chris Long, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Angie Long, Chief Investment Officer, Matt Bloomfield, President, and Jeff Fox, Chief Financial Officer and Director. Palmer Square Capital BDC's second quarter 2025 financial results were released earlier today and can also be accessed on Palmer Square's investor relations website at palmersquarebdc.com. We have also arranged for a replay of today's event that can be accessed on our website. During this call, I want to remind you that the forward-looking statements we make are based on current expectations. The statements on this call that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements.

Jeremy Goff
Jeremy Goff
Managing Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

These forward-looking statements are not a guarantee of future performance and are subject to uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements, including, and without limitation, market conditions caused by uncertainty surrounding interest rates, changing economic conditions, and other factors we identified in our filings with the SEC. Although we believe that the assumptions on which these forward-looking statements are based are reasonable, any of those assumptions can prove to be inaccurate, and as a result, the forward-looking statements based on those assumptions can be incorrect. You should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. Palmer Square Capital BDC assumes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements unless required by law. To obtain copies of SEC-related filings, please visit our website at palmersquarebdc.com.

Jeremy Goff
Jeremy Goff
Managing Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

With that, I will turn the call over to Chris Long.

Christopher D. Long
Christopher D. Long
Chairman and CEO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Palmer Square Capital BDC's second quarter 2025 conference call. On today's call, I will provide an overview of the second quarter highlights and touch on our proprietary investment strategy. Turn the call to the team to discuss our market outlook, positioning, portfolio and investment activity, and financial results. During the second quarter, our team deployed $92.4 million of capital and generated total and net investment income of $31.7 million and $13.8 million, respectively. We delivered net investment income of $0.43 per share and paid a $0.42 per share second quarter total dividend, which includes a $0.06 supplemental distribution. We recently announced our June NAV per share of $15.68. Let me now spend a moment on our platform and strategy.

Christopher D. Long
Christopher D. Long
Chairman and CEO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

As we navigate today's macro environment, it is critical to emphasize the strength of our platform and the differentiated nature of our investment strategy. PSBD, our flagship BDC, is a marquee vehicle on our platform, which includes one of the world's best-known CLO platforms, as well as a variety of seasoned opportunistic credit type strategies. PSBD benefits from our most senior team members, all of which have been together managing money for over a decade. We believe our focus on senior secured liquid credit and the optionality we have to deploy into private credit offers a unique value proposition that is uncommon across the BDC sector. It allows us to be agile during times of volatility and adjust to various market environments. We believe this strategy is well suited for the shifting macro landscape we face today.

Christopher D. Long
Christopher D. Long
Chairman and CEO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

As Angie will discuss in more detail, PSBD shares can offer new investors a very attractive yield and a clear line of sight on the go-forward opportunity when compared to other income-generating investment options. At our core, we are a shareholder-driven organization, and we structured PSBD to be the best of our ability to uphold this value. First, we disclose an enhanced level of transparency highlighted by our monthly net asset value disclosure. We are the only publicly traded BDC to provide this and allow our shareholders to see underlying portfolio performance on an intra-quarter basis. Second, we believe our fee structure is more attractive than peers. We only charge a management fee on net assets, not gross assets. We want to be rewarded when we attract more equity capital that grows NAV, not for taking leverage. Additionally, our incentive fee is at the lower end of the sector.

Christopher D. Long
Christopher D. Long
Chairman and CEO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

We combine the size and scale of our position as a growing global alternative asset manager with our local roots. Clients and investors choose to partner with Palmer Square because we have a global footprint and offer a unique level of accessibility. We believe our LPs and investors know that Palmer Square is a team they want to be part of, and we have maintained a high touch approach to client service since our founding. Since our last earnings call, we have had the pleasure of speaking with many investors who share our excitement in the path forward for PSBD and the unique value we believe it offers. We look forward to continuing these conversations in the quarters to come as we execute on opportunities that we expect to drive optimal returns for our shareholders.

Christopher D. Long
Christopher D. Long
Chairman and CEO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

I will now hand the call over to Angie.

Angie K. Long
Angie K. Long
CIO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Thank you, Chris. In the second quarter, PSBD's results proved durable through episodes of heightened volatility induced by tariff policy and geopolitical risk. To echo Chris, at Palmer Square, we construct our portfolios to generate attractive risk-adjusted returns and weather times of uncertainty. We are committed to this approach as we seek to deliver value for PSBD shareholders. Stepping back and looking at broader market dynamics, in many ways, we are back to where we started the year. We avoided a freeze in M&A activity as the most onerous tariff scenarios came off the table, deal volume remains compressed. Loan prices tracked broader risk assets, dropping following Liberation Day and then subsequently recovering. There was a bit of spread widening during that brief period in April, spreads quickly returned close to prior levels.

Angie K. Long
Angie K. Long
CIO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

As of the end of July, PSBD was yielding 12.12%, an attractive yield in any market, but particularly so as you consider how tight spreads are today and the conservative positioning of the portfolio. PSBD's positioning today reflects our view that spreads this tight may not fully account for the lack of clarity related to policy and geopolitical events or the ongoing risks from various sectors. Our ability to be nimble with the PSBD portfolio, combined with a disciplined process and a deeply experienced credit team, positions PSBD well to exploit opportunities when spreads widen and returns justify adding incremental risk. That said, as we'll continue to reiterate, with a backdrop like we have today, PSBD is delivering attractive yields on an absolute basis and relative to other parts of the liquid credit market.

Angie K. Long
Angie K. Long
CIO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Further, we have the ability to actively adjust the portfolio to take advantage of changing conditions when we feel that it is warranted. There are reasons to be optimistic as we move through the third quarter. We have seen more early look transactions in July, and we're hopeful this indicates at least a modest pickup in overall deal activity. A strengthening M&A market would be beneficial, it is not our only avenue to deploy capital. In contrast to BDCs that purely focus on private credit, PSBD can transact in a deeply liquid secondary market for broadly syndicated loans as opportunities present themselves. Another constructive sign is that credit remains relatively resilient against opaque macro dynamics. We are encouraged by the portfolio's current composition.

Angie K. Long
Angie K. Long
CIO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Non-accruals declined during the quarter as we worked through previous situations, and we are hopeful about the remaining non-accrual as the current recovery outcome appears better than we were previously modeling. As we look ahead, we will maintain our rigorous approach to underwriting and believe the conservative approach that has supported our strong credit quality up to this point will continue to serve our fellow shareholders well. At Palmer Square, we manage over $34 billion in corporate and structured credit, and we bring the full benefit of the size and scale of our entire platform to the BDC. By leveraging this expertise, we believe we are well positioned to evaluate an array of opportunities and identify where the best relative value lies. To close, we believe PSBD shares continue to offer attractive yield for exposure to first lien senior secured loans in the BSL market.

Angie K. Long
Angie K. Long
CIO at Palmer Square Capital BDC

As of July 31st, PSBD's yield of 12.12% compares to the leverage loan index yielding 7.97%, the high yield index yielding 7.08%, and the 10-year treasury yielding 4.37%. It is difficult to find the premium yield that PSBD shares currently imply across liquid credit markets, and particularly within an actively managed platform. With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Matt, who will discuss our portfolio and investment activity.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Thank you, Angie. Turning to our portfolio and investment activity for the second quarter. Our total investment portfolio as of June 30, 2025, had a fair value of approximately $1.28 billion across 39 industries that demonstrate strong credit quality, industry, and company specific tailwinds, and a diverse mix of end markets. This compares to a fair value of $1.33 billion at the end of the first quarter of 2025, reflecting a decrease of approximately 4%. In the second quarter, we invested $92.4 million of capital, which included 23 new investment commitments at an average value of approximately $3.1 million. During the same period, we realized approximately $133.3 million through repayments and sales. As Angie mentioned, despite the April volatility, by the end of the second quarter, spreads had nearly returned to pre-tariff levels.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

While spreads are relatively tight against the still uncertain macro backdrop, we maintain a cautious approach throughout the balance of the year as the market gains clarity on the impact of tariffs and ongoing geopolitical issues. That said, we are encouraged by the resilience of the broader credit market during the quarter, as well as our portfolio's performance. To recap, at the end of the second quarter, our weighted average total yield to maturity of debt and income-producing securities at fair value was 10.10%, and our weighted average total yield to maturity of debt and income-producing securities at amortized cost was 8.27%. We continue to see our portfolio diversification as a key differentiator with our 10 largest investments accounting for just 10.69% of the overall portfolio. Further, our portfolio is 96% senior secured with an average hold size of approximately $5.1 million.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

On a fair value weighted basis, our first lien borrowers have a weighted average EBITDA of $412 million. Senior secured leverage of 5.6 times and interest coverage of 2.2 times. Notably, during the quarter, new loans sourced from our European investment team totaled 18% of overall new investments. These loans are U.S. dollar denominated loans but made to businesses with operations across many European countries, and in certain cases, also with U.S. operations. We believe our strength in Europe highlights a significant advantage for PSBD in accessing high-quality investment opportunities during a time when M&A remains subdued in North America. Additionally, new private credit loans comprise 2.8% of overall new investments and were funded at a weighted average spread of 501 basis points over the reference rate.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

As Angie mentioned earlier on credit quality, non-accruals declined during the quarter. We are optimistic about the outcome of the remaining non-accrual, which represents just 0.19% of the portfolio at fair value. Our PIK income as a percentage of total investment income remains low relative to the industry at approximately 2.53%. Finally, we maintain an average internal rating of 3.6 on a fair value weighted basis for all loan investments. Our rating is derived from a unique relative value-based scoring system. We continue to believe this is an increasingly important tool for our portfolio as our ability to find relative value opportunities has historically increased coming out of volatile periods. The resilience of our portfolio during market uncertainty in the first half of the year further validates our focus on risk mitigation and understanding relative value in credit markets.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

We believe our diversified and high-quality portfolio is well positioned to perform in the second half of 2025. Now I'd like to turn it over to Jeff, who will review our second quarter 2025 financial results.

Jeffrey D. Fox
Jeffrey D. Fox
CFO and Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Thank you, Matt. Total investment income was $31.7 million for the second quarter of 2025, down 13.3% from $36.5 million for the comparable prior year period. We attribute the decrease primarily to the 100 basis points of rate cuts towards the end of 2024 as our portfolio is predominantly comprised of floating rate loans. Total net expenses for the second quarter were $17.8 million compared with $20.8 million in the prior year period. Net investment income for the second quarter of 2025 was $13.8 million or $0.43 per share compared to $15.8 million or $0.48 per share for the comparable period last year. During the second quarter of 2025, the company had a total net realized and unrealized losses of $6.7 million compared to total net realized and unrealized losses of $10.4 million in the second quarter of 2024.

Jeffrey D. Fox
Jeffrey D. Fox
CFO and Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

This consisted of net unrealized appreciation of $13.3 million relating to existing portfolio investments and net unrealized appreciation of $12.4 million related to exited portfolio investments. At the end of the second quarter, NAV per share was $15.68 compared to $15.85 at the end of the first quarter of 2025. Moving to our balance sheet, total assets were $1.3 billion and total net assets were $505.2 million as of June 30, 2025. At the end of the second quarter, our debt to equity ratio was 1.51 times, slightly up from 1.50 times at the end of the first quarter of 2025. Available liquidity consisting of cash and undrawn capacity on our credit facilities was approximately $253.5 million. This compares to approximately $229.5 million at the end of the first quarter of 2025.

Jeffrey D. Fox
Jeffrey D. Fox
CFO and Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

As part of our existing stock repurchase plan, which commenced on January 22nd of 2025 and expires on January 22nd of 2026, during the second quarter we purchased 315,045 shares at an average price of $13.43 for a total purchase cost of $4.23 million. On August 6th, the board of directors declared a third quarter 2025 base dividend of $0.36 per share, in line with our formalized dividend policy. Given the liquid nature of the portfolio, we plan to announce the supplemental dividend in September, which allows for repayments to settle. The supplemental distribution will be paid out of the excess of PSBD's quarterly undistributed net investment income above the base quarterly distribution. With that, I'd now like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, simply press star one again. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Doug Harter with UBS. Please go ahead.

Doug Harter
Doug Harter
Analyst at UBS

Thanks. You've talked about the benefit of the liquid nature of your portfolio. I was wondering if you could give us some examples of that during the second quarter and how that might have been

Doug Harter
Doug Harter
Analyst at UBS

Been put to use.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Hi, Doug, it's Matt. Thanks for the question. Yeah, I'd say, certainly April was quite volatile from a risk standpoint, certainly in the credit markets, obviously in the equity markets. To our comments when spreads widen, obviously, liquid loan prices decline. I'd say we definitely put some capital to work there where we felt pretty comfortable in the overall underlying business fundamentals of some specific companies. I'd say we didn't get over our skis, though. I think there was still obviously a lot of uncertainty going on during that time period and, quite frankly, still is today. It does give us the ability to buy loans at discounts to par that we think are attractive and that will ultimately pay out at par.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Certainly when those refinancings happen and those pay out at par, we can get some benefit from acceleration of that discount as well, which is supportive of earnings. I'd say we did some in the quarter for sure. Again, it was some interesting times with what was going on from a tariff standpoint. We wanted to make sure to also kind of protect the capital base as well.

Doug Harter
Doug Harter
Analyst at UBS

No, that makes sense. Just I guess along those lines, how did you manage leverage during that period of volatility? How willing were you to kind of let it to float up or just your thoughts on how you managed leverage during that period of time.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Great question. We certainly have the benefit of seeing loan price movements daily or during the hours of trading during those days. We can kind of look at it in real time. We were certainly pretty comfortable letting it float for most of the month of April. We obviously maintain excess liquidity in cash. To the extent we need to pay down or want to pay down parts of those credit facilities, we can do that to manage leverage. To Angie's comments on the call, as we kind of moved through April and got into May and things started to rebound and certainly continued to rebound through June, we felt very comfortable with the leverage level. Obviously at quarter end was basically flat to where it was prior quarter.

Doug Harter
Doug Harter
Analyst at UBS

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Melissa Weddle with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Melissa Weddle
Melissa Weddle
Analyst at JPMorgan

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions today. I wanted to start on the income statement really top line interest income. Noticed that totals are slightly higher quarter-over-quarter, despite there being a decent number of exits or repayments during the quarter and what I assume is sort of a lower average earning asset base in 2Q versus 1Q. I was wondering if that's driven by some acceleration of OID on some repayments or anything else that we should be aware of.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Hey, Melissa, it's Matt. Thanks for the question. Certainly you saw with a bit of the portfolio shrinkage, we did have a fair amount of refinancing activity during the quarter. Part of that certainly helped from an acceleration standpoint for income. When we look at the rate of yields on new investments versus the prior quarter, we're actually able to build some spread into the portfolio during the quarter. Part of that was, as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, found some pretty good value out of Europe on some US dollar loans that were sourced out of our European effort. Also just from portfolio rotation capabilities, finding some better value in some different pockets.

Melissa Weddle
Melissa Weddle
Analyst at JPMorgan

You actually just touched on my next question. I had noticed the 40 basis point pickup in the yield on new investments. Seems like part of that was driven by the European opportunity. I'm curious how broad-based that opportunity is. Might that be an area for more defensiveness on portfolio yield? How much of that would you reasonably source for originations in the BDC itself? I'm not sure if those would count in the 30% bucket or not.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Great question as well. They do count in the 30% bucket. We've got a lot of capacity there. I'd say historically we haven't done as much in Europe in this BDC just given the opportunity set on public and private credit's been really good in the U.S. To our comments, we have seen quite a bit of spread tightening throughout this year, taking April out of the picture. Spreads in Europe continue to be wide of the U.S., the kind of way that I would look at it from a comparable risk for risk basis for a deal in Europe, you're probably picking up 50 basis points of excess spread. We continue to look pretty deep over there. I'd say the opportunity set's not as big as the U.S.

Matthew L. Bloomfield
Matthew L. Bloomfield
President at Palmer Square Capital BDC

I think the U.S. broadly syndicated loan market is probably three times the size of Europe, give or take. There's some interesting things going on over there. I think M&A activity has been a pretty big focal point for a lot of the private equity sponsors and seeing a lot of interesting value in Europe. We have seen the same on the credit side. I don't want to say that it's going to continue to be a huge portion of the BDC, but I think that points to the strength of our kind of global team on where we look to source opportunities. We'll certainly continue to go to keep looking over there as well.

Melissa Weddle
Melissa Weddle
Analyst at JPMorgan

I appreciate that context. It's really helpful. I'll hop back in queue. Thanks.

Operator

At this time, I would like to turn the call back to Jeremy Goff for closing remarks.

Jeremy Goff
Jeremy Goff
Managing Director at Palmer Square Capital BDC

Thank you, operator. On behalf of the PSBD management team, we thank you for your continued support and for joining us today. We look forward to updating you on third quarter 2025 financial results in November. Thank you all again.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

Executives
    • Angie K. Long
      Angie K. Long
      CIO
    • Christopher D. Long
      Christopher D. Long
      Chairman and CEO
    • Jeffrey D. Fox
      Jeffrey D. Fox
      CFO and Director
    • Jeremy Goff
      Jeremy Goff
      Managing Director
Analysts
    • Doug Harter
      Analyst at UBS
    • Melissa Weddle
      Analyst at JPMorgan